Why Japanese audience needs gimmicks into fantasy?
Is not enough with a group of characters departing on a quest?
Shingeki no Bahamut could be something you could look into, it kind of loses its shine by the latter half but it's an amazing adventure for the first.
>>145623968
Seconding this, the premise and characters were really cool. What are the news for the next season ? I thought it was supposed to air soon
It seems to be solely for fantasy genre. I cannot think of anything where the character gets reborn in anything besides fantasy.
>>145622600
Because it's hard to self-insert if a neet japanese otaku doesn't get transported to the fantasy world.
>Is not enough with a group of characters departing on a quest?
Overdone. They get bored.
>>145625414
Fun thing they "got bored" because if you don't count the parodies or pseudoparodies, there is not much old school fantasy anime.
I guess if you count vidya adaptations there is more but a "group of characters departing on a quest?" overdone in japanese media? Hell no
>>145625162
It's getting made. Keep in mind that for the first season it was +9 months between the 1st PV and it airing.
Meanwhile the midquel manga starts in just over a week.
There are traditional fantasy shows every season, this season has 5 of them and only 2 isekai shows, both are from last season.
>>145622600
Because more people play World of Warcraft than Dungeons & Dragons these days. Get over it, nerd.
>>145622600
Shingeki No Bahamut, Akatsuki No Yona and Helck are pretty great recent traditional fantasies.
>>145630206
Most anime fantasies are basically D&D adventures, though.
>>145627616
>traditional fantasy shows every season, this season has 5
What?
Arslan
Berserk
Zestiria
Which are the other 2?
>>145622600
>isekai
Protagonist is transported straight to the other world, he adventures for the novelty/escapism of it, he's also relatable and acts japanese
>traditional fantasy
Protagonist has lived in the world their whole life, they need an actual reason to go adventure, plus they act differently to their world's customs
It's a big difference, isekai is basically the low hanging fruit currently.
>fantasyfag elitism
>Your fantasyshit is the wrong kind of fantasyshit!
You people are hilarious.
>>145622600
Seisen Cerberus is pure simple fantasy and is also hilariously retarded
>>145623968
>looses its shine
i thought it was great series all around
>>145630206
so you can only make anime about things people already know
someone's finally (slowly)translated most of the Ruin Explorers manga. I think there's only one or two chapters to go.
>>145632815
It was, but the first half was much better than the second.
I miss non cynical non self aware non WINK TO THE CAMERA fantasy.
>>145633037
First volume was published in Europe. but something weird happened with the second, i thought it didn't even existed.
>>145634266
Yeah I think the guy doing the translations is actually working off an Italian release
>>145631905
Of those you listed Arslan is barely fantasy and Zestiria is a fantasy of Japanese breed. I wouldn't even list them.
>>145622600
>What's wrong with traditional fantasy?
cheat abilities and harems
>>145636145
At least we have the new Berserk, right guys?
>>145622600
Because then you can't have a bunch of interchangeable female characters that fans can fight over on message boards. Also you can't have otaku who have no other life skills but mmo and game mechanics self insert.
Its easier to stick to mmos because you don't really have to have worldbuilding, you just have tropes that are easily grasped for the audience.
>>145636145
>fantasy I don't like isn't fantasy
Oh I love guys like you, always going on on about semantics as if they matter.
have you seen Tears to Tiara op
I remember we talked about it a lot when it was airing.
I miss that
>>145622600
What do you mean? There's lots. Try reading something.
>>145636496
Not that guy but is Arslan really fantasy just because it's fictional?
>>145636642
>>145636496
Arslan is more a period war piece that sometimes maybe remembers there's a wizard than fantasy adventure
Fantasy is a bit of a hard term to use for a genre anyways though. I think what OP really wants is more the DnD sword and sorcery stuff
>>145636585
Monster Collection is far too obscure for these people and they want to be spoonfed instead of looking for stuff on their own.
>>145622600
There's plenty of traditional Japanese fantasy, you're just talking about western fantasy. And it's obvious why western fantasy doesn't get that much attention... it's fucking western.
Ozanari Dungeon is really good you fags should read it.
>>145622600
>dat feel when literally the longest running fantasy series by a single author in existence is Japanese and only got its prologue animated
I'd compare it to Berserk's Golden Age arc getting animated, but that's really not comparable to scope in how expansive Guin Saga is.
>>145632933
That's the stuff that always tends to get made, yes. You think it's a coincidence that OP posted a tabletop RPG campaign reworked into an LN/anime series? That's what was trendy back then. I bet in the 90s there were people complaining about D&D ruining their traditional fantasy, too.
>>145630206
>filename
>>145636585
>>145636801
Are there non-garbage scans for this somewhere? I remember passing over it because the only ones I found were absolutely unacceptable and had only the top half of some pages and shit.
>>145636583
Tears to Tiara was kinda all over the place honestly.
>>145636892
Isn't Guin Saga only a 6 volume manga?
Or is the original source the novel?
>>145632042
> he adventures for the novelty/escapism of it
This has nothing to do with the actual plot device of isekai transportation, though, it's just another trendy thing that happens to go along with isekai at the moment. You can very easily have a character transported to another world and then forced by necessity to fight/adventure, and it's been done many times in both Western and Japanese stuff.
>>145637140
Original source is the novels.
>>145637001
Looks fine to me.
>>145636831
Japanese fantasy doesn't really have it's own identity like western fantasy though, it's always people with 21st century morals and trendy clothes plopped into an idealised world with tropes stolen from the west.
>>145637181
Huh, I googled that and found various perfectly fine sources, so maybe I was just being retarded when I looked the first time. Thanks.
>Isekai
>Harem
>Still manages to be awesome
ya'll niggs need to get on El Hazard
>>145637165
I looked it up and the Guin Saga novel series' status is
>133 Volumes (Incomplete due to author's death)
What a bummer to read 133 novels only to never find out the ending.
>>145636585
Monster Collection is so great, it's in my top 3 of all time. I love Itoh Sei.
>>145637132
eh, the troubles of adapting a video game. I thought it was mostly pretty solid, save for the occasional exposition dump. Decent story, likable characters. All I really ask for.
Morgan best girl
All of these mentioned fantasy manga tend to really,really short. How can you really enjoy an adventure if it's less than 10 volumes?
>>145637342
>Kemono Dokuborisugoidutsu will never ever be translated
>>145637338
It's done, there's just a TON of epilogue because fans wanted it obviously.
I don't understand how you people can reply to OP, that post made no goddamn sense.
>>145637399
Because fuck pointless filler, being long for the sake of being long is retarded and is how we end up with shit like the current Berserk.
>>145637399
I think that it's a bigger problem to make shit longer than it needs to be.
Ruin Explorers is my absolute favorite and it's only 4 episodes and the manga not even 10 chapters.
proper writing and charaterzation goes a long way
>>145636801
>wants to be spoonfed instead of looking for stuff on their own
>implying that's a bad thing
So what? Isn't that the most efficient way of finding good stuff to read? Or should I click the fantasy genre and just start mindlessly reading hundreds of works until I find the right one.
>>145637438
>>145637510
Filler is bad but I can't really care about the characters in a short manga. A manga like Bambino with about 160~ chapters is the perfect length, although that's my favourite manga of all time so I'm a bit biased.
>>145637399
>less than 10 volumes
>really, really short
Nigger, do you only read battle shounen or something?
>>145622600
Tower of Druaga?
>>145637543
Yes, asking to be spoonfed and then complaining about a lack of the stuff you refuse to look for is absolutely retarded.
>Or should I click the fantasy genre and just start mindlessly reading hundreds of works until I find the right one.
If you actually like fantasy, then there's not a "right one," there should be plenty of right ones, and you should know tags/genres to narrow it down and be able to at least get some sort of idea, by glancing at a summary with those tags, of whether you might like a given thing. So yes, in short, you should do that - put in search terms that you like, and grab something that interests you. This is how you find good media in general, beyond the stuff that every random faggot already knows about.
>>145637607
>I plan on getting married you see.
>>145637548
>Filler is bad but I can't really care about the characters in a short manga.
that seems more like a YOU issue and also a serious problem
>>145636642
Arslan is fantasy its just they kept the level low in at first, but magic its already there if you forgot, the shadow teleport guys and the mist in the very first battle.
Arslan is kind of Game of Thrones, it starts about politics and wars but eventually is inserting the fantasy elements.
>>145637543
You're approaching it all wrong. The quickest way of finding something good from /a/ (or any website for that matter) isn't to ask to be spoonfed but actually to post something completely wrong or contentious. People will be vastly more likely to "correct" you with the right anime or whatever than to spoonfed you. Godwin's law I think it's called.
>>145636583
Yes I watched, overall liked it, but some parts were a bit too slow. I also remember it had some really good coreographied battles.
>>145637404
Feels bad man, I have all the scans too.
>>145637543
>So what? Isn't that the most efficient way of finding good stuff to read?
If you're a newfag or crossboarder who hasn't read any of the obvious recommendations, sure. But if you aren't new, then you get more and more likely to need more stuff that won't necessarily be recommended whenever you ask. A search database has vastly more information than the people you're asking for recommendations.
>>145637733
>Godwin's law I think it's called
I'll give you a 6/10 - clever concept, but the joke would work better if I could think of any reason someone would want to be spoonfed the meaning for Godwin's law.
Anyone ever seen Kōryū Densetsu Villgust?
>>145637543
I had to dig for shit to read on my own, not my fault you're too damned lazy to do the same.
>>145622600
Gimmicks are fun.
Rokka no Yuusha was very surprisingly good.
I expected nothing but the anime blew me away in more ways than one.
>>145637278
El Hazard was good because they travel to another world, and then explore that world, that's what adventure is about.
The premise about going to a different world is not a problem at all, the difference is if you use it as a mere premise (starting point) or as a cheap method to carry your narrative.
>>145637914
hell yeah I did. Even played the game
>>145638033
Agreed, To many LN's set up a goal but then proceed to faff around with harem hijinks for a dozen or so volumes before they even pretend to get moving.
El Hazard had an actual plot they acted upon. It wasn't some cheap platform for lazy Dragon quest jokes
>>145622600
Transported/reincaranetd to another world thing is convenient plot device so nips use it.
>it's easier to present information about the setting for the audience
>MC has some knowlege about technology, science and shit so author can put some bullshit and excuse it that way
>it's easier to write self-insert character because he was otaku shot and started form zero in another world
>>145638102
Tell me a bit more about it without spoiling too much.
>>145622600
Japan can't imitate it for shit.
What pisses me off is when the setting is European but all of the names are in jap.
>>145638358
This is just your autism, honestly. It's an irrelevant setting detail in a literal fantasy world.
>>145638102
I think that's because how LN and WN work, they need to catch fast because what matters is to sell lot of the first volumes (or catch lot of people when starting a new novel) so they trend to make large infodumbs at he beginning to catch the people with the setting, probably in lot of cases they don't even have an actual plot in mid, you catch readers whith the premise and that's why it ends this way.
Same happened with magical school academies, each one of them are actually its own thing, as further they progress more different are between them, but at the beginning they are exactly the same thing, and why? Because they catch the eye of the readers with the beginning and once they have done that is when they can start to think in what to do with the series.
The industry is no more about making a book and see if someone wants to publish, is to get the readers first, through WN normally, and then write the book.
Seirei no Moribito
Dragon quest dai no bouken FLY (the manga)
Saiunkoku Monogatari
the calssic: Slayers & Berserk
>>>/wsr/
>>145638424
Biggest problem it that most LNs are literally fan fiction quality material that people are consuming regardless because there's just so much demand for that particular format.
>>145638286
A group of high school kids and their teacher receive amazing powers when they get transported to the magical world of El Hazard.
The main character Makoto however finds that he is a dead ringer for the missing princess Fatora and must now impersonate her as he quests to find the Elemental priestesses to aid their kingdom in the war against the Bugrom army, now led by the former student council president Jinnai as they both race to awaken the demon god Ifurita as mysterious powers move in the shadows
This show was just boring to me. Way overrated.
>>145638424
I understand it's a business and they have to sell product fast but I just can't believe that even the Japanese don't look at how samey all this shit is.
>>145638277
>it's easier to present information about the setting for the audience
I actually prefer it when I don't know what the fuck is going on but all the characters do. It demands that you pay attention and makes repeat watches worthwhile. Unfortunately it's rare in anime, because it's easier to give the protagonist amnesia or make them a Japanese highschooler and then bombard the audience with lazy exposition.
>>145638277
Those are arguments that I heard often but honestly most part of the time I think is something they don't really require.
Present information from the setting? They can have a dumb villager main character
Bullshit Asspulls? They can make that with magic like always, don't need to bring science.
May be self-insertion is the key but I really don't think being provided with a so specific scenario (neet virgin who dies and is reincarnatet) makes nuch difference from self inserting in a ramdom generic adventurer. If something I think selfinserting in some random kid is more easy than selfinserting in that detailed scenario.
Anyway, I think is just more a fashion choice, not something they really "need". I guess in time it will fade like the battle school harems fade (there were a lot and now is barely one each season)
>>145638723
Plenty of them do. Those ones don't read LNs, and they move on their lives.
>>145638732
>>145638277
let's be honest how much use is a 2nd year HS science education really going to be in a new world?
Not very. It worked in Connecticut Yankee because the main character there was an adult who worked in manufacturing in the past.
>>145638914
He was? I swear I watched a movie once where he was a kid.
>>145639023
that was Twain's original draft
>>145638914
>2nd year HS science education really going to be in a new world?
It could actually be really gambreaking, just telling people in middle ages how alcohol helps desinfecting would make a great chance.
However it wouldn't serve for anything at all, not because is not much, compared with people in medieval times current highschoolers know A LOT, not because it wasn't useful, their knowledge would be certainly useful, but because no one would give a fuck, you know bacteries exist? They will just laugh at your face or burn you alive for heretic
>>145639439
yeah but the thing is a lot of the fantasy worlds are pretty... I guess "Clean" would be the best way to describe them.
Really they just seem more like rural communities more than the actual middle ages. They even plumbing a lot of the time and healing magic really renders the whole infection thing moot.
>>145638732
>Anyway, I think is just more a fashion choice, not something they really "need". I guess in time it will fade like the battle school harems fade (there were a lot and now is barely one each season)
I agree that it's same as battle school harems in a few years it will change and some other things will be flooding us every season.
>>145638729
Unfortunately this days it's rare not to get everything said straight to face. I prefer to have some basic info about world and then learn about things with characters.
>>145638914
>let's be honest how much use is a 2nd year HS science education really going to be in a new world?
Not much if you want to go on an adventure and fight dragons but you can make a printing press or something and start your own buissnes
>>145639702
>you can make a printing press or something and start your own buissnes
Knowing about a thing doesn't mean you can recreate it. I doubt most people would have the first clue about how to make a printing press, especially without modern manufacturing.
>>145638039
There was a game? Aw shit. Translated? What console?
>>145639774
>Knowing about a thing doesn't mean you can recreate it.
This. Just take a look around you and think to yourself, "How many of these things can I reproduce, or know how to reproduce, by myself?" Chances are it's close to zero.
>>145639874
It was a game first. On the Super nintendo.
The anime was better
>>145623968
I would recommend this as well if anyone wants an old fashioned adventure anime. Not only does it look great, it has no spineless nip MC and more importantly, no Isekai.
>>145639774
You can make some metal bars with letters on them and some wooden desk with a way to put pressure on paper it shouldn't be that hard.
But >>145639913 is right doing things yourself would be hard so you will need to find someone to work with.
>>145640174
>You can make some metal bars with letters on them
How? You're really ignoring the whole manufacturing process.
I can't built the parts I need to build the thing want to build.
>>145640211
>How? You're really ignoring the whole manufacturing process.
Earn money then go to blacksmith? It's not like I need to mine the ore and melt it to metal myself.
>>145640529
and where am I gonna get said money? Do you have idea how much this shit is gonna cost in fantasy bucks?
Plus that's assuming you know how the machine is built at all. You're not gonna have blu prints and Im pretty sure there's more to the machine just just stamping letters
>>145640013
It has a great artstyle but save for a few select scenes it fell short in animation and choreography sadly.
Not to say it's bad, it was quite good.
>>145622600
Isekai is not the problem. Adding "RPG-like" elements is. I don't want menus and pop-ups in my fantasy, Japan.
>>145640655
>and Im pretty sure there's more to the machine just just stamping letters
Not a great deal. The printing press is a very simple machine. It's value is that it was a brilliant idea.
>No "character gets transported into a science fiction future" anime
Seems like such a simple and common idea but Futurama seems to be the only one who wants to do it.
>>145641021
What is Urashiman
>>145641021
Because when you get to the future you're several centuries behind in knowledge and thus you're pretty fucked unless you find your great great great grandnephew.
>>145625295
I'd like to see an isekai where the protagonist expects a typical fantasy world, only to be thrust into a cyberpunk future. Or an alien planet. Or a vaporwave universe.
>>145630206
I miss my baby Ranta. S2 when?
>>145632699
>thinks he's a badass swordsman
>gets his ass kicked by baby slimes
Cerberus as a comedy was pure gold.
>>145640655
>and where am I gonna get said money?
You need to earn it somehow/somewhere anyway if no I would die right?
I'm talking about scenario where you can survive and communicate with locals because the whole thing would be pointless otherwise. And no one is saying that it will be easy.
>Plus that's assuming you know how the machine is built at all. You're not gonna have blu prints and Im pretty sure there's more to the machine just just stamping letters
You just need to make something that enables anyone to write certain characters on the paper even wooden frame with changable metal characters inside could do it. Then you can use not educated village peope and copy books. You don't need complicated machines to do that.
>>145632699
>>145641243
Tell me more
>>145641243
>They literally trained him wrong on purpose
>even after he finds out that his potential is that of a powerful mage says "magic is gay" and keeps training with the sword because he's that chuu2
I loved it
>>145641328
>Not becoming a magic warrior
Faggot
>>145632699
Endride is a much better story though.
>>145622600
It's the same for samurai anime
Why do they need to keep designing characters that look like they wear a jacket or just go full gundam mode
>>145641315
The main character of Seisen Cerberus is a wondering swordsman looking to kill the dragon what killed his wizard parents.
Thing is he sucks. A lot. He's actually got talent as a dangerously powerful mage but in order to keep that in check his guardian trained him wrong on purpose and he got way into the dorky wandering swordsman schtick and when he learned his true calling said "fuck that, swords are cooler"
it is hilariously unapologetically pants on head retarded and it's a hoot
>>145641459
>learned his true calling and said fuck that
sounds like based mc to me
>>145641459
I'll give it a shot, thanks.
>>145622600
Brb marathoning Lodoss again
>>145641669
>>145641540
it's the exact kind of dumb DnD campaign gone off the rails stuff I love to unwind too.
also big fat cat tats
>>145638358
>Wirruherrum
>Charessu
>Ersa
>Hiruda
>>145642122
I like Shirayuki
>>145638358
Rori Mercuri
Piña Co Lada
>>145642645
the naming in gate was fucking hilarious
Why can't nips make their own fantasy genre using Japanese mythology?
>>145642760
Hoshin Engi is good I hear
>>145642760
They do, it's just theirs tends more towards the tragic where instead of the hero winning, he ends up dying dramatically for duty instead.
>>145641147
Didn't Fry adjust to the future?
>>145642840
It's neither good nor based on nip mythology - it draws on some chink classic. Twelve Kingdoms is pretty good nip stuff, though.
>>145642862
That's because they keep using the Sengoku Period as a source for their fantasy stuff.
>>145642897
Nepotism.
>>145642973
It was their most dynamic period. Anything before that is unverifiable or so venerated they'd never sully it as an anime, and anything after that is too stable or profoundly depressing. But even going back into their historical mythology, it's not like many of their folk heroes got endings better than Beowulf or Turin Turambar or Cu Chullain.
>>145622600
We need more Berserk
How about the other way round?
A character from fantasy world transport into real world. Why this kind of setting is so rare?
The only anime I know does this is Bleach.
>>145643171
Hatarakou Maou Sama does that, and in a pretty fun way.
>>145643171
Try reading a real japanese novel
>>145643171
>Cute strange girl with strange powers lands herself on the just an average highschool boy's lap
It happens all the goddamn time.
>>145636892
They also butchered it in the process. Their singular devolution to not showing a drop of blood in their nonsensical warfare scenes was impressive.
>>145622600
Problem is that fantasy is shit, without or with gimmicks
>>145643171
I feel like Ive seen it a number of times but Im having a hard time thinking them up right now
>>145643230
>>145643230
Until Episode 5. That's where it should have ended, everything after was boring shit.
>>145622600
>>145643292
This, high fantasy is some of the most dull and boring garbage out there. Low fantasy is what the japs need to get into.
>>145640013
This guy looks as if he were off of Ideon.
>>145638277
yea but really if they cant find a good way to provide that information otherwise, then chances are the writing is shit.
>>145641163
>thrust into a cyberpunk future
Hell fucking yeah. Bonus points if he thinks he's in a fantasy land because he sees cat people which are actually just humans who went through gene splicing (a la Batman Beyond).
>>145640013
Thankfully it looks like MAPPA is taking away that lip gloss look on the males for season 2.
>>145636585
>JEW STAR
no thank you
>>145644159
Is that the guy with the dumb hair from Ideon?
>>145644236
You're like two years late with those jokes, anon.
>>145644159
>Favaro lost both his waifu and his lipstick
Hopefully he doesn't lose the afro too
>>145644159
I don't know how to feel about this
>>145622600
Record of Lodoss War
Dub or Sub
I'm watching the dub right now as it seems more fitting for a traditional fantasy series.
>>145644089
I'd love a gene splicing, cyberpunk anime
>>145637607
>that fucking pilot episode
holy shit man, thank you
>>145644619
Hopefully he gets his waifu back in the new season. She's still alive after all, just stuck in Bahamut.
>>145641021
there was also samurai jack
>>145637265
Your idea of fantasy is too narrow, think more like Japanese folklore with ayakashi/youkai, etc.
>>145644159
>saying it like it's a good thing
Do you really hate any drop of individuality so goddamn much, faggot? Colored lips were a great touch, they made the dudes look way more attractive. Especially Kaisar. Without the lip his face looks just dry and empty.
>>145644159
I was really hoping that the rumors were true and that Favaro wasn't going to be in the second season
Fuck favaro
>>145645084
>just stuck in Bahamut.
Yeah, eternally. They'd have to piss on the lore to revert that. And if you recall, the first season repeatedly took a piss on the shonenesque hubris of "doing the imposible" as literally every bold claim Favaro made turned out against him.
>>145645350
There were never such rumours. The very first S2 announcement was accompanied by a Favaro & Kaisar visual.
>>145636892
Long doesn't mean it's good though, shit like chink xianxia or wuxia easily has stuff that trails slightly behind Guin Saga in length and they are mostly garbage.
Until Guin Saga novels get translated in bulk there's nothing to really judge it by unless you're a moon reader, and no one's gonna give a shit about a moon reader's opinion unless they chip in and contribute allowing others to form their own opinions.
Doesn't help that the anime sucks donkey balls but that's expected no one would dare think it represents the novels in any fashion.
>>145625414
>got bored
>starts writing "trapped in an MMO" story
>trying to look for an LN that's besides that in a store
>>145622600
Tsuyokute New Saga is literally Lodoss Wars NG+ if Parn wasn't incompetent and relied on Cashew and Spark to save his ass.
But because of time travel mouth breathers these days will categorize it as isekai just like Back to the Future, therefore ruining any chance it has of having more people help Tensaiz and Honor out when it's volumes behind.
>>145645828
>Tsuyokute New Saga
Sheeeeit that's where it's at. I forgot I was following this series.
>>145645964
>only manga is updating cause /ak/ is based
>alphapolis low res web scans
>apparently even the volume scans are garbage according to buyfag anons
It deserves so much better as a whole.
>>145645340Homo
>>145644919
Unless you're fifteen and watching Ghost Stories for the epic randumb jokes, then it's always sub, anon.
>>145643382
THANK YOU. Lucifer was okay, but that special snowflake assassin bitch was when I threw in the towel.
>>145645828
I think of it as a honorary(lol) isekai, even if it technically isn't one.
It's still good, it's one the only isekai (honorary) of the recent batch that's good and hasn't gone to shit.
>>145643931
Low fantasy is usually better than high fantasy, but real world myths and folklore destroy both of them.
>>145645828
Parn would kick Spark's ass
>>145646344
You mean honorary in how the guy knows what's gonna happen but then finds out what he knew barely even matches up with reality every time?
I mean sure, but time travel in fiction has existed probably before even printed press. Guess those are all isekai as well.
>>145646383
How? Spark whooped that warlockfag's ass while Parn got beat down like a chump.
>>145646371
Because they're just fantasy that has withstood the test of time.
With LN adaptations getting more apparent, majority of those source materials are focused on rpg/isekai narrative that often deviates from a high fantasy setting. That essentially could hurt the quality of theme and narrative of a story that lacks originality. The most ideal formula is to not relate to the protagonist at the start. That means no salaryman, highschool student, or something along those lines are to be the protagonist. The second is having an actual theme. Theme drives the story. The third is to make the characters evolve past their archetypes. They may appear cliche at first but seeing character depth is essential to a story. Characters should not have a certain quirk or something that makes them unique if it adds nothing to the quality of their character. Making a character seem interesting at first but falling flat can essentially damage the story quality. Fourth is the worldbuilding. Infodumping is essentially lazy as having a protagonist know as much we do about the world can lead to the information coming off as an lazy approach. When within a fantasy setting without an isekai protagonist (or the occasional amnesiac) , don't infodump common knowledge. If it's common/general knowledge, it does not make sense to explain the elements of the world if people should already know it. Show, don't tell. This is why alot of LNs that do these wrong things come off as bad. And the anime industry continues to churn these out. Nevertheless, not all LNs are particularly bad. You get a few hidden gems among that pile but they tend not to be recognized. Hopefully, this can change one day. But at this point, not anytime soon.
>>145646371
Destroy so hard no one even knows about them besides chink shit due to their annual adaptations. Oh and Fate.
>>145646569
Don't get catty. I mean "honorary" because it's part the relatively recent large batch of mostly mediocre or shitty LN monthly manga adaptations with very similar themes (second chance, overpowered protagonist) and usually mediocre art.
Isekai by itself is not a bad thing. Some of the best and most influential stories even outside of anime and manga are isekai.
>>145644919
watch whatever you want. If you like the dub watch the dub and fuck what the pocky munching weebs say
>>145646765
By this logic Maoyuu is honorary because it was part of that recent large batch. Objectively nothing about Maoyuu is remotely Isekai. Subjectivity on non-relevant factors such as when it was published is ridiculous. But you would definitely count Maoyuu as an 'honorary Isekai' I'm sure.
Don't just arbitrarily decide on your own how words should be used and their definitions, this isn't urbandictionary.
>>145646825
Spoken like butt hurt trailer trash who can't even capitalize or use periods.
>>145625413
This. Self-insert-fags have ruined everything for everyone.
>>145646705
>posts a series with only WN translations at 2 chapters
>>145647030
>Muh grorious nippon
>>145645964
You and me both, apparently. Can't believe I forgot this one, it's great.
>>145646991
Don't get violently offended because I consider time travel can be argued to be a form of isekai and because New Saga shares so much in common with the batch of isekai LN adaptations it came with. Protagonist dies or is about to die, gets magically transported to a "world" where he has a second chance at life and where he holds an unfair advantage and capitalizes on it.
Maoyuu predates the batch by a fair amount and it shares much less thematically.
Do you even know what "honorary"means anyway?
>>145646614
That's true. I think they also have an advantage in that people actually believed in them, so they weren't as full of stupid bullshit as most modern fantasy.
>>145646723
>Destroy so hard no one even knows about them besides chink shit due to their annual adaptations. Oh and Fate.
> No one even knows about Hercules
> No one even knows about King Arthur
> No one even knows about Thor
What the hell are you talking about? Everyone has heard of that stuff.
>>145647489
I don't think people believed all of them, and they were certainly full of crazy shit.
>>145647101
The translator went on to continue: Revenge Against the Orc Rape. Shame. This is considered a VERY good LN. Hope an adaptation will one day come. So far, I remember quite a few WN getting adapted and eventually having a manga format. Atelier Tanaka, Uchi Musume, and now Youjo Senki.
>>145647531
Yeah but it's the kind of crazy shit that appeals to the collective human unconsciousness. It's crazy shit that comes together to build a coherent view of the world, because a lot of the time, those stories were how people actually understood the world.
It also helps that those stories weren't just for nerds back then. Nerds can't write, but they're the only ones who do fantasy these days.
>>145648016
>Yeah but it's the kind of crazy shit that appeals to the collective human unconsciousness. It's crazy shit that comes together to build a coherent view of the world
I suppose, perhaps that's why they withstood the test of time.
Really liked Still, the World is Beautiful. More of a romance but the setting was nice and Nike was lovely.
>It's a tender raaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn
>>145639023
You're thinking of a Kid in King Arthur's Court.
Or Black Knight. They are both basically A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, just with a child/black man instead of a... Connecticut Yankee who happens to know the history of eclipses, and basic gunsmithing.
>>145639546
There was a Korean webcomic that half-dealt with that.
The first thing the MC did was introduce basic hygiene, and it drastically reduced deaths by childbirth. Also apparently his ability to read and do basic math made him an amazing scholar or something.
>>145622600
Because nowadays authors are trying to appeal to filthy otaku and get them to breed by adding power fantasy harems and shit. And we will never reach the anime age of Aquarius because of lazy asexual assholes that don't want to fuck 3d pig bitches.
>>145649694
see that's pretty interesting
>>145643171
I forget the proper name, but it's something like, "The Devil is a Part Timer."
>>145649622
>Connecticut Yankee who happens to know the history of eclipses
Farmer's Almanac bitch
>>145650203
Hataraku Maou-sama
>>145647286
It's probably because you're stepping on a double /a/ landmine.
People have been calling *everything* isekai as part of a general "shit on all light novel stuff" trend.
And then there's the weekly re:zero threads.
So when someone shows up and keeps trying to fold timeloops into the definition of isekai, they're already primed to argue.
Your pet headcanon definition just happened to not be safe this week.
It's funny how timeless isekai is but I'd never heard of the term until the recent post SAO fad of shitty MMO ones.
>>145637510
Holy fuck, I've been trying to find, and remember that anime for forever now, thank you
>>145631905Thunderbolt Fantasy
It's even an eastern fantasy so you lot can stop complaining how it's always european fantasy.
>>145622600
Rokka no Yuusha did this last year, except it had mystery in it.
Bunny was the best.
>>145651255
Bunny a shit mountains a best
>>145636892
>said on here she was going to pull a robert jordan and that the series had no direction whatsoever
>she pulled a robert jordan
How nostalgic, thanks for reminding me.
>>145651382
Ive been meaning to get into those books for a whole now. How are they anyways. I hear good things
>>145651382
Ah, so Brandon Sanderson is finishing Guin Saga?
>>145652491
Yeah like KJA "finished" Dune.
>>145641432
B-but it's isekai!
>>145643171
Two shows airing literally this season you dumbass.
>>145630206
Grimgar's pretty DnD though. Snes/PS1 era JRPG and SRPG inspired, but the setting is about as DnD as Slayers.
The isekai part is largely irrelevant to the plot besides setting up a bunch of broke losers who suck at fighting and are stuck being PCs.
>>145637510
Ruin Explorers's flaw is that it decided to devote three quarters of the plot to some generic boring guy's boring plot.
>>145653480
And then the main character learned to casually oneshot bosses with the power of pure concentrated plot armor. What a fucking joke.
Why is the Demon Lord / Demon King such a common trope?
>>145653586
DURAGON KUESTO
>>145653582
It's called rolling a natural 20 and/or sneak attack damage.
>>145653578
That's how it was in the manga. it's a very light story. Hell the anime even had to pad things a bit and add extra characters
I like Lodoss War TV way more than the OVA, fight me.
Asuram's a really charismatic villain, Spark's party is as a whole better than Parn's, and there's more DnD shit going on than Lodoss War going through the motions of an incredibly generic campaign.
The Shooting Star showdown is also way, way better in the TV series.
Side note: I refuse to watch any of Lodoss Island.
>>145650917
It's because isekai tends to refer more to the more specific recycled premise of "japanese high school student enters generic JRPG-style world, acquires harem and wish fulfilment overpoweredness immediately".
Honestly it's surprising that we've had more adaptations of shows that mock or take apart the premise (konosuba, grimgar) than actual isekai LNs.
>>145653586
I blame Nobunaga.
>>145653582
Sometimes you roll a natural twenty and get lucky.
One dumb moment at the end of the series doesn't invalidate the rest.
>>145653586
Western fantasy rips from Tolkien. Japanese fantasy rips from Dragon Quest.
Anyone here read PhD Phantasy Degree?
Barring the horrible name, the series was really enjoyable until it went on indefinite hiatus.
Yureka was also really enjoyable.
>>145653859
That's because no one but repulsive fujos and /a/ actually read LN, and /a/ torrents everything
>>145653801
Have you seen Crystania or Rune Soldier
>>145653991
Rune soldier was kind of shit despite the delicious muscle girl.
>>145651861
Don't. That shit could've seriously been four-five books and nothing would've been left out. Jordan must've been paid by the page.
>ctrl-F Garo
>no results
Disgusting.
>>145631905
And the 5th one is Alderamin.
>>145642529
Hair cutters deserve death.
>>145653934
>Western fantasy rips from Tolkein
Alice in wonderland, Dracula, Beowulf, King of Elflands daughter, and King Arthur all ripped off Tolkein?????
>>145654632
>?????
Kill yourself.
>>145654632
>Tolkein
Wow, who's that? If he inspired all these famous stories he must be really great! Is he related to Tolkien?
>>145654632
Go be stupid somewhere else.
>>145637607
The best
>>145654632
seriously, you're retarded
>>145654978
>>145637607
Tower of Druaga really had some serious tone issues. One second it's silly gag stuff and then it's srs drama.
and fuck the ending
>>145653991
I gave Rune Soldier a try, I really did, but it just wasn't clicking.
I'm going to watch Crystania soon, I've got some other stuff I need to clear out first though.I can't get into Slayers either. On paper I should love Slayers, but I just don't like it.
Traditional Japanese fantasy is usually pretty trash.
If you want stuff like that, you go with Western.
Books especially.
God, Orphen was such a letdown. Boring plot, the episodic plots were dull, nearly everybody but Orphen was either incompetent or incredibly annoying, usually both, the animation was garbage most of the time, and most importantly it had no sense of adventure.
And for some reason their mascot animal made screaming baby noises.
>>145653978
>repulsive fujos
What are you talking about? There's barely any LN series popular with fujos.
>>145650153
You would probably like Jin.
Japanese Neurosurgeon gets transported back to the late 1800's Japan. He decides to try to reinvent as many lifesaving medical techniques as possible decades before they're supposed to be discovered.
>>145655445
Hey. Hey you.
Fuck you.
>>145655294
I could never really get into Slayers TV much either. I don't mind that it's silly but I always felt there was such a thing as being too self aware and 70 however many episodes is just too much for me.
Generally I prefer the OVAs and movie for their brevity. Also Naga
Scrapped Princess was pretty amazing.Until it was revealed that they're in some sort of future-past where technology has regressed to the middle ages because Earth lost a war against a bunch of aliens
>>145655610
>Jin
Not him, but that's next up on my manga list now. Thanks random guy.
>>145655852
Damn you Clark's third law
>>145655744
Hey, you got the better end of the deal, you enjoyed it and I didn't.
Now try to justify the existence of his companions and tell me what they contributed. Hard mode: justify the obnoxious midgets who he for some reason tolerated all day and just let them hold onto the sword of plot relevance.
>>145655852
>>145655936
7th Garden was greatuntil its revealed Angel's are advanced humans who are trying to recreate events Earth had on their new home planet.
Wurde is still top girl though.
play dragon quest
its as basic as fantasy can get, but with a charming light hearted feel to it
i wish there was an anime for some for the games though, parts in the games even feel episodic
>>145656200
Monster Hunter is getting an anime during the Fall.
>>145656260
>>145656260
for the love of god please tell me guildmarm is in
>>145656200
I can't say I agree. I could never get into DQ. I know it's one of if not the first real JRPGs and the slime is cute but it's so painfully dry
>>145656336
>>145656373
Don't know.
All I know its based off a spin-off game coming to the 3DS to promote it. Hopefully its comfy Monster Hunting with a party.
>>145656386
which ones did you try out first?
4 and 5 are really the better ones, especially for newcomers
Do the Japs like Game of Thrones?
>>145656260
>first 5 episodes are about gathering herbs and mushrooms
>>145656448
Damn, I hope so too. I need more Monster Hunter in my life.
>>145656614
Still worth it.
>>145653582
You say that like its plural.
>>145656504
Ive actually played all the main line games since the NES days. My friend was always a big fan so I would borrow his copies.
I do remember liking 4 more than the rest though, but over all. Eh.
>tfw I want a story about Paladin doing good in a fantasy world, with a powerful demon falling for them and being yandere about it.
Am I degenerate?
>>145656826
way i see it is DQ = Mario
while FF = Zelda
Mario is light hearted, sticks to a formula, but is always fun for a lot of people, but never really amazing
Zelda always reinvents itself every game, sometimes its good, sometimes its bad, but when it's good, its legendary
>>145656888
>Zelda always reinvents itself every game,
No it fucking doesn't.
>>145656888
See:>>145656919 When it comes to Zelda.
I can't wait for a Final Fantasy that goes back to actual Fantasy.
>>145656143
Nah, 7th Garden was pretty average the whole time.
>>145657050
>I can't wait for a Final Fantasy that goes back to actual Fantasy.
Bravely Default is waiting for you
and so was I am Setsuna
>>145657050
The best is when it's steampunk, like 5 and 6.
>>145657115
>and so was I am Setsuna
Setsuna was complete shit.
Racettear anime when.
;_;
>>145655294
Slayers doesn't hit its stride until about halfway through season 1 and almost everyone agrees season 2 is the high point. Maybe try skipping to season 2 or some of the standalone OVAs.
>>145656882
Whoa, I remember a prompt eerily similar to that popping up in one of the "make an anime" threads.
Demon waifu harasses Paladin MC. Tries to tempt him into evil while he's doing his best to be good. Demon waifu is trying to groom him to become King of Hell, but in reality she plans to supplant him the moment he takes the throne.
I thought it was brety gud.
>>145656888
Zelda and Final Fantasy have both been the same exact shit since forever. Every Zelda since Link to the Past has basically just been a remake of Link to the Past.
>>145622600
Legend of the legendary heroes season 2 when?
>>145653586
You reminded me of The Hero Yoshihiko and the Demon King.
Good shit.
>>145657850
This almost feels like High School DxD.OPPAI.
>>145657822
See this is why I like Ys. None of this reincarnation bullshit. Each new game is a new adventure for Adol and the world becomes an impressive real growing place. We explore new lands meet new people and it just feels like it matters more. Adol becomes a character and his world becomes a real place.
Link and Zelda though? They're basically just stock titles at this point. Hyrule keeps getting resent and frankly Im sick of that goddamn useless triangle. It's just lame at this point. Why should I care about any of these characters or worlds when the next big game is just gonna reset the timeline again. It's lame and no
hero of time" bullshit is gonna change that.
>>145657944
Not quite, but it's pretty funny
>>145658012
Maybe I'm retarded, but now it feels like Monty Python.
>>145657850
S3 when?
>>145658037
There you go. Now you're getting it.
>>145622600
>traditional fantasy
What does that mean? Forgotten Realms fantasy?
>>145638277
Another thing is the inherent text format LN/WNs come in. By using Isekai they can have the protag make pop culture references and allude to existing tropes, also draw parallels from normal worldbuilding fluff to things that exist in present day, making things easier for the reader. This is not a good thing.
>>145642529
Literally a discount Mahoutsukai no Yome.
>>145658001
Well I don't play video games for their stories, but yeah, Ys is pretty good.
>>145643230
Hataraku Maou Sama skipped the adjustment phase before going full Urban Fantasy which completely kills the series for me.
>>145658100
>Forgotten Realms fantasy?
More or less. your standard Dungeons and Dragons, Lord of the Rings stuff.
>>145657685
>Paladin Mc is doing his best to be good, Demon waifu is trying to groom him to become King of Hell.
Sounds nice.
>She plans on taking over his spot once he takes the throne.
Even nicer.
>Demon waifu harasses Paladin Mc
Here is the important part to that. Do they fuck?
>>145622600
I blame Japanese parents for financing the hobbies of hikkis and neets, thus giving them the power and money to influence anime.
>>145658199
It's not even about the story. Im not asking for a huge sprawling multi game epic I just wish they'd be more creative in their campaign ideas than "Zelda's been kidnapped by ganon and there's geometry"
Create new adventures for Link to go on, create new villains new quests. I know they can do it, We've seen them do it. Fuck the best games are the ones that break the typical Linka x Triforce - Zelda / Ganon = X forumla.
>>145658254
Who else would pay for anime to be made if not that tiny number of obsessive buyfags?
>>145658065
Soon, actually. It was announced.
>>145622600
I'd like some more Mouryou Senki Madara, but that's not gonna happen.
>>145658195
Literally nothing alike. And you should probably read more manga if that's the best jab you could come up with, because there are various actually similar shoujo princess fantasy you could have gone for instead.
>>145658139
>This is not a good thing.
Yeap, it's also easier for the author since you don't need to think too much to build the verse. I really dislike the 4th wall breaking nudge and winks they like to do in these sort stories.
It comes across as 'it's ok cuz we just being ironic lel'.
>>145658254
Yeah, because we all know that D&D fantasy is the realm solely of well-adjusted people and not at all popular with socially retarded neckbeards, right?
>>145658529
It sucks that even parody has become little more than
>Hur dur 100 gold to start my quest, how lame is that. The king should totally give the guy more. remember that game. REFERENCE"
They just point at tropes and that's the end of it.
My point is fuck Bikini Warriors. Those are jokes.
>>145622600
why did you start your thread off with a picture refuting your point
>>145658627
aren't
those aren't jokes.
>>145658637
I think he was trying to imply that it only existed in the past, but as people have pointed out there are multiple non-gimmick fantasy series airing right now, so he's clearly retarded.
>>145658248
The anon's plot was fairly simple, but there was room for improvement—and so I decided to add onto it and see if I could make it even better.
Paladin begins to turn, but slowly. More like he's moving towards True Neutral rather than Lawful Good. Pally and Demon Waifu actually grew rather fond of one another, though the waifu is experiencing cognitive dissonance too. In the end she decides to take a blow meant for him before the current King is beaten, and he has to leave her behind to die. Time passes and Demon Waifu is actually reborn as a human, and grows up as a human while retainin her memories. She ends up becoming a good person and does what she can to find her precious Paladin.
Unfortunately in the many years between that fateful battle and the present time, the Paladin's anger and bitterness drove him to actually take the throne after all and start lashing out at humanity. Now the roles have switched, and it's her turn to go with her party of ragtag adventurers and find her husbando. She has to find him and bring him back to the light.I hope it's not too shit, I got really into the idea at the time.I'm even taking another anon's idea from a separate thread and turning it into a short story.
>>145658637
Lodoss War came out 27 years ago. He's pretty clearly talking about recently.
>>145658254
Mate, the majority of money for this shit comes from office drone bachelors with nothing else to spend money on, but keep your hikki/NEET delusions if it makes you feel better.
Problem with fantasy now is that it lacks a lot of world building.
>>145636892
They started to scanlate the manga ages ago but it never went anywhere. Shame, it was nice.
>>145658843
That, and we need more of it. Tired of this cookie cutter SOL bullshit every single fucking season. AND we have a fujoshit nightmare to look forward to in this upcoming one.
Just annihilate me, nii-sama.
>>145623968
>only one cour
Why even bother?
>>145658694
Keep with the original plot.
>>145625414
>overdone
Name more than ten.
>>145659050
Not like I was doing anything with this, onee-chan. Just a random ass prompt.
>>145659049
Because Virgin Soul.
>>145658843
Incidentally, Dungeon Meshi pretty much has world building as a premise since so much time is allotted to explaining and exploring the dungeon's ecosystem.
>>145659012
The thing about world building is it takes awhile and Nips most likely aren't going to pay deep attention to that created world. And a lot of the plot sometimes doesn't focus on the whole world that Anime/Manga/Light Novel is set in, taking place in a small location of the world, and when the whole world is made you only get vague information about it.
>>145659049
Virgin Soul is Season 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra47IXw7tqU
You can also look forward to Goblin Slayer anime in 2018-2019 which is based off DnD 5e has rape and Goblin genocide..
You also have Granblue Fantasy anime coming in. So stuff in fantasy world isn't going to die soon.
>>145659012
What are you even on about? We have Re:Zero, Tales of Zestiria, Alderamin, Berserk, and Endride airing right now. As opposed to what for SoL? Amanchu, New Game, Kono Bijutsubu, and I guess Amaama to Inazuma but daughteru-care SoL is kind of a different thing and much rarer.
>>145653582
That was how the anime handled it. In the LN, it was a team kill that just happened to go their way when Deathspot turned its back on Haru to chase after the others and opened itself up for the back attack. None of that bullshit slo-mo ribbon crap.
>>145659049
Because season 2 soon.
>>145659216
>You can also look forward to Goblin Slayer anime in 2018-2019 which is based off DnD 5e has rape and Goblin genocide..
Just because people on /a/ paid attention to something because it's edgy as fuck doesn't mean it's automatically getting an anime.
>>145659347
Nah man the sells are just doing outstandingly good, they have a character/world book about to go on sell, and found voice actors to do the PV for Vol 1 means its not going to get an anime.
Why is it that everyone who complains about generic MMO/JRPG stuff seems to just want generic D&D settings instead? Why not have actual interesting fantasy?
>>145659509
BecauseIN MY DAY
>>145659509
It's not pandering if it panders to me!
>>145659509
>Generic D&D setting
>Why not have actual interesting fantasy?
Pick only 1
>>145659509
Because in my DnD game it's not about some random Japanese twat getting sucked into another world where nothing happens but the MC getting a harem for no earned reason
>>145659509
>Why is it that everyone who complains about generic MMO/JRPG stuff seems to just want generic D&D settings instead?
Because they're faggots coming from /tg/. As if their own ideas for fantasy are good.
>>145653480
Too bad it's boring as fuck.
>>145639546
The thing is that the historical middle ages were actually rather clean. You had the medieval warm time, everyone had enough to eat (barring the occasional drought), people still profited from the remnants of the Roman Empire (eg. public bathing houses, contrary to popular opinion, even the most grimy and dirty asocials bathed at least once a week) and so on.
The whole "dirty, superstitious miserable pile of shit world" is actually the Renaissance.
>>145658195
>Mahoutsukai no Yome.
Man, that was boring.
>>145659509
>implying generic D&D wouldn't be interesting today
The "war against generic" started in the 90s, and since then, "generic" is anathema. So, you have all these weird, edgy fantasy settings that have no redeeming qualities beyond "It's the opposite of Lord of the Rings!"
The generic D&D setting is more or less dead, so doing a generic D&D series or novel would actually be extremely innovative. The success of old-school D&D clones like Dungeon Lord in the pen and paper scene of the recent years is proof of that.
>>145659509
It's not pandering to me therefore it's wrong and bad!
>>145659732
Yeah, instead it's about a bunch of grognards on a power trip.
>>145660083
That we fucking earned for accomplishing goals
>>145659509
It's less a matter of "I want more bad Tolkien knockoffs!" and more a matter of "I don't want the characters to look at their in-setting status screen and discuss how many experience points they can get from those slimes."
>>145659703
You're really telling me that "medieval not-European Kingdom #504 wants this group of adventurer archetypes to fight some goblins and stop the evil sorcerer" is an interesting setup? You'd rather have an anime like that than an adaptation of Kujira no Kora or something?
>>145659940
You seem to be talking about Western stuff, but if we're talking on that front then I'd say there's plenty of modern stuff that's struck the right balance where it differentiates itself but doesn't become overly contrarian just because and turn into garbage. Malazan's a literal tabletop campaign, but it's got a fairly innovative setting nonetheless, with lots of detail and a very well-fleshed out magic system that isn't just a bunch of quibbling autistic rules. Sanderson's various stuff is all pretty creative without being too tryhard. Prince of Nothing's possibly going to fall under that "weird, edgy setting" you mentioned, but I still think it was a nice darker reskin of the traditional setting. Etc. There's tons of middle ground between generic and pointlessly anti-generic, is what I'm trying to say.
>>145659509
Because generic in itself isn't bad. Just because it is generic doesn't mean it can't also be interesting. I don't mind generic fantasy if it's about people have interesting adventures leading to to an interesting show. Take for example Bahamut and Thunderbolt Fantasy, both of which have been mentioned in this thread. None of them are unique, but they are interesting in the way they're done in terms of the character interactions and stuff they get involved and thus result in a good show.
>>145645828
>Tsuyokute New Saga
Not terrible but not in the level of say, Rokka.
>>145643242
Those ears look disgusting.
>>145660166
> "medieval not-European Kingdom #504 wants this group of adventurer archetypes to fight some goblins and stop the evil sorcerer"
Actually I would watch it while they do world building in the fucking show you pleb.
>>145660300
I'd take fucking anything over Rokka, no, after 4 fucking volumes of whodunnit and not a single likeable character I'm done.
>>145660376
>after 4 fucking volumes of whodunnit and not a single likeable character
Confirmed for shit taste and a retard.
>>145659832
>The whole "dirty, superstitious miserable pile of shit world" is actually the Renaissance.
Sounds like your typical anti-Renaissance anti-Protestant Catholic Monarchist talk
>>145659495
>found voice actors to do the PV for Vol 1
Well fuck, I know one other isekai series I don't like already having an audio drama.
It will get an anime, won't it?
Don't worry guys. Fuyuki Ono will save the genre once she released the next 12k book.
>>145660373
Having an interesting setting from the start wouldn't stop you from also having good worldbuilding throughout, you know.
>all about muh settings
>no one talks about the most important thing, the characters
Fucking roleplayers.
>>145660579
>Why are people talking about the topic the OP breached?
>>145660402
Fuck yourself, you're the M3fags of /a/ except more annoying.
>>145637278
I just watched the first OVA tonight. I agree with you, it's pretty good. Water x Sensei is olev
>>145660677
>M3fags
Who?
>>145660579
Ayup, the setting doesn't matter if you fill it with boring characters.
>>145660677
> the M3fags of /a/
I don't know what exactly M3 is supposed to stand for here, but when you're on /a/ M3 means the anime M3, you fucking crossboarder.
>>145654632
What?
anon are you high
>>145660677
What did we do? We keep to our goddamn selves.
>>145660695
Mecha horror anime. It's slow but good. You should watch it. Not sure why he's bringing it up.
>>145660714
>M3 exists
I almost forgot.
>shit isekai threads gets constant replies because "lol ironic reading"
>good isekai threads dies immediately because no one is reading it
Fuck /a/
>>145660692
Mr Fujisawa was great.
>for kids
>still the best isekai fantasy to date
>>145660579
>Creating your characters before the setting
What mate?
>>145660820
>Digimon Adventure
>better than Twelve Kingdoms
>better than Kanata Kara
>better than Rayearth
>>145660789
You're not allowed to like things that aren't approved by the /a/ hivemind and the /tg/ Proper Fantasy Council and if they catch you liking stuff you have to pretend you're liking it ironically.
>>145660709
and characters need something to do. A character can't be great without actions and actions need a stage.
>>145660858
>Kanata Kara
Literally who?
>>145660878
That stage can be your typical fantasy for all I care if the characters are interesting.
>>145660888
>animefags
>>145636801
Moncolle is pretty meh though. Don't help that the scans are bad.
>>145639439
I wanna see one where a PhD Organic Chemist goes into fantasy land.
>>145660910
and they can't be interesting if there's nothing for them to do. it doesn't matter what backstory you give them or what they SAY if they're not in a proper back drop for them to shine.
The world needs to come alive and wow the audience.
>>145660938
>insert job here goes to fantasy land
Stop with this shit. It just ends up as shitty modern era wank.
>>145660910
Fantasy is defined by the setting, not the characters. If you truly don't care about the setting as long the characters are good, you could just as well read literally anything else, and I don't see why you'd be in this thread.
>>145660888
Good shoujo isekai manga, never got an anime.
>>145660955
Of course they will be things for them to do. I can think up a lot of things you can do in your typical fantasy world.
>>145660968
>you could just as well read literally anything else
Yeah, I read other /lit/ shit as well.
>and I don't see why you'd be in this thread
Because I like fantasy too.
>Good shoujo isekai manga
Why is it good?
>>145660789
Just go to the Dungeon Defense thread if you want a LN thread.
>>145633745
Yeah, me too.
Wish those Dragon Quest novels would get translated.
>>145659832
Nah, people didn't actually get the whole 'washing your hands thing to not get plague' until the 19th century.
>>145661025
>Dungeon Defense thread
I don't like Dungeon Defense.
>>145661045
Only Westerners, mind you.
>>145637990
Now read the rest of the LNs.
>>145660801
Yeah, I've only watched the first OVA but Sensei was pretty much god-tier.
>>145660858
Rayearth was great and it's sad that you're the first person to mention it in this thread. I also think that Escaflowne is pretty great isekai.
>>145638455
>Saiunkoku Monogatari
God, Shuurei is what all shoujo heroines should aspire to be.
>>145661109
Im gonna let you know right off that the other ovas aren't really as good. People tend to be split on the TV series so you COULD give that a go but it's a good deal uh..kiddier and sillier
>>145649694
>Also apparently his ability to read and do basic math made him an amazing scholar or something.
Fucking dropped.
>>145660987
>Yeah, I read other /lit/ shit as well.
>Because I like fantasy too.
Not my point. I'm saying that there's no reason to seek out "series set in a magical world" if you straight-up only care about the characters. Because that's what fantasy means - it doesn't mean "series with this kind of characters," it means "series with this kind of setting," so it's a bit baffling to me that you would be able to care so little about settings while simultaneously specifying that you enjoy fantasy settings.
>Why is it good?
Likable characters, decent drama, pretty nice worldbuilding and mild fantasy politics (which you probably don't care about, actually), and unlike Fushigi Yuugi it doesn't become some shitty reverse harem nonsense.
>>145655610
Sounds boring.
>>145661178
>I'm saying that there's no reason to seek out "series set in a magical world" if you straight-up only care about the characters. Because that's what fantasy means - it doesn't mean "series with this kind of characters," it means "series with this kind of setting," so it's a bit baffling to me that you would be able to care so little about settings while simultaneously specifying that you enjoy fantasy settings.
That only means I can enjoy basic fantasy settings, unlike some /tg/fags who would get triggered of the cliche "beat the bad guy" setting.
>>145661206
So what you really meant by ">all this talk about muh settings" is ">all these people who don't like the settings I like".
>>145661157
That's disappointing to hear. But the first OVA was great though. I'm glad that I learned about it from this topic. Thanks OP.
>>145661206
you sound like an incredible bore
>>145661295
Yeah. The original is still one of my favorite series ever. Glad you liked it
>>145661283
I'm just annoyed on how some faggots keep apologizing for a shitty fantasy because it has "good setting"
>>145661333
Setting is what defines the genre. The whole point of the stories is to create exciting settings for the audience to imagine setting. It's about adventure and adventure needs exciting scenarios and imaginative worlds filled with traps and dungeons and shit like that.
>>145661109
holy swordsmen of gaia anime WHEN
Considering how easy it is to get published in Japan why isn't there a wave of traditional fantasy novels/mangas being pushed out?
>>145637972
Right, but if each person chooses something different what the fuck are we going to talk about?
>>145661667
There is, they're just not getting translations.
>>145661716
>tfw Japan having shit taste is a lie
>tfw Japs actually have excellent taste but only their shitty stuff is getting translated
>tfw it's actually translators who have shit taste
>>145625797
Not really though. Japanese media doesn't explore fantasy settings like western media does. Besides, that argument does not hold up because to some degree, everything has already been done. That's okay though, the concept of a show mainly garners interest, appreciation comes with great execution.
>>145661863
>Japanese media doesn't explore fantasy settings like western media does
Not that Anon. Explain.
>>145646705
>Show, don't tell.
Time has proven this to be the wrong approach. People will complain they don't understand shit and will deem the author an amateur.
>>145661781
It's either easy things, chink things or things that the translator has a personal passion for so yeah, we're lucky that we're even getting the amount we're getting, it used to be much worse.
>>145662234
>we're lucky that we're even getting the amount we're getting
I'd rather have nothing at all than being given shit.
dungeon meshi anime when
>>145662319
I hope not. Shit is overrated.
>>145662319
The same time as Smith Girlfriend & Adventurer
>>145661863
>Japanese media doesn't explore fantasy settings like western media does.
What? When does that ever happen? There's no "exploring" at all. The only occasion to even count that there is a fantasy setting is when it's used as a blanket excuse for even more contrivances in what is otherwise another boilerplate show like the others of its kind.
>>145651040It's not anime.
>>145658627
>My point is fuck Bikini Warriors. Those are jokes.
Bikini warriors were created solely for these jokes and they aer god at them.
>>145660472
Well, Catholic Church is the thing that evolves, and Protestants are the ones who can't stomach the change. Guess which of the two were still burning people alive cenuries after the other party stopped burning the dead?
>>145637510
>proper writing and charaterzation
I just finished this show.
It had a good first episode but then it introduced John McGeneric and it all went downhill.
No love for Dragon Half?
>>145655200
>One second it's silly gag stuff and then it's srs drama.
Are you saying this as a negative?
>>145655852
>implying it didn't get better after that
>>145663199
>>145658254
>>145658822
This is more realistic really, also by the high standards of families thus unrealistic expectations within the community contributed to lower birth rate. That shit isn't an anime caused phenomenon, it's their culture and the dissolution of past classes / position, no one wants the grunt life even though that's 80% of a population.
>>145663019
>Catholic Church evolves
>still don't accept gay marriage and abortion
>>145637914
Villgust is top tier
In a traditional fantasy setting what is the best kind of pussy a Human can get? Dragon, Elf, Fairy, Demon?
>>145663795
A human.
>>145622600
To write good fantasy you should make some research, traveling etc. To write shitty LN you need to paid some students for ghostwriting. I always think, how many of those LN writers are real?
>>145663872
They're pretty real. They're all amateurs who wrote on sites like Syosetu after all.
I wish at the very lest they would try to make these worlds someway original, like you know, main characters traveling to worlds that are actually unknown, not worlds where you can clearly spot everything from the games you played in your previous world.
It kind of break the immersion if the world they are traveling to happens to be a world with creatures we know.
Jesus, even Endride that is a steaming fucking shit got that part well.
>>145663870
Anon, please stop. Human pussy isn't worth it.
You niggas all want something original yet when I make a 12k thread, nobody came.
>>145663795
elf pussy is made for breeding with human cock
>>145664175
It's worth it. Why would a human want a pussy from half breed mongrels anyway?
>>145664235
12 Kingdoms? People want new original shows to talk about, you dolt. In fact, previous threads had people talking about 12 Kingdoms as well.
>>145651255
>>145651344
You're both wrong
>>145664301
>People want new original shows to talk about, you dolt
Then translate more original shit from Syosetu.
>>145664235
Why are you surprised? All anonymous knows how to do is bitch. When you tell people to look for stuff on their own you get told off unless you spoon feed them.
>>145663113
You'll get love from me
Mink is mai waifu
>>145664316
>>145651040
Seconding this.
Thunderbolt fantasy is best puppetry show of the season
>>145663677
Evolution doesn't imply necessarily imply degeneration.
>>145664552
I have a meme chart that says otherwise.
>>145664552
It sure does when little boys are involved, Anon.
>>145664175
Human women tend to value their purity more, while to to other races sex is like saying hello.
>>145664662
elves only have sex for procreation though
>>145647286
Steins Gate is Isekai now? Madoka? Bakemonogatari also had a time travel episode, so it's also Isekai too.
>>145664688
You may be right, but my expeience with H-games tells me not to listen.
>>145664662
>Dragons have sex is like saying hello
What mate? Dragons are loyal waifus who only have sex with the man they love.
They then go on a long period of depression because said man didn't become a Wizard and become immortal n' shit.
>>145664948
>Dragons are loyal waifus who only have sex with the man they love.
Says who? Dragons are greedy fucks after all. They would want other men's cocks.
>>145664948
What's this then?
>>145658001
>>145658349
You understand, everything you're going on about is exactly why people cared about coming up with a timeline, but now since it's obvious Nintendo doesn't care about progressing the story in any meaningful way only diehards still give a shit.
It really sucks because have an overarching plot is part of what immerses you in the world, and why the earlier games could really get you into them. Now you know nothing that happens will matter in the ling run.
>>145665306
>muh overarching plot
Sorry anon, but I'm not an autist.
>>145665201
>Dragons are greedy fucks after all.
Nah brah that's the men. Why do you think when you meet a good dragon its usually female, and the evil black dragon with an army of black knights n' shit is a dude?
>>145665211
Looks like wyverns?
>>145665424
>Why do you think when you meet a good dragon its usually female
Bahamut is a male. Tiamat is a female.
Checkmate.
>>145665354
Which is why I'm not one of the diehards who still pretend to give a shit, though I fail to see how it wouldn't be a good thing. The actual world building and storytelling that occur within the individual games is excellent though, you can't really knock that.
>>145665424
>wyvernsNaga, dragon and elf.
>>145658349
>I just wish they'd be more creative in their campaign ideas
How about a female Link? Since he is a legacy character, there is no problem with him being female for once.
>>145665617
Fuck with your pandering shit
>>145665617
How about a Mc that isn't Link for a LoZ game with customization.
Oh wait Nintendo already did this with voice acting on the NES and SNES.
>>145623968
Do I need to watch Shingeki no Eotena first?
>>145668176
Nah man.
>>145659178
This. Everyone needs to be reading Dungeon Meshi. The issue where the orcs and humans bake bread while discussing the prejudices and histories of their races is fantastic.
>>145660858
>Twelve Kingdoms
my nig
>>145653717
>>145653896
getting lucky != having the fucking mystic eyes of death perception
>>145656882
There's a 1 billion chapters russian CYOA with that premise. Pretty entertaining, translation isn't bad. Main man's called Anri, can't remember the title.
>>145670748
>CYOA
You mean you can choose your own story?
>>145670354
>muh prejudices
Dropped.
>>145660961
>cook or farmer goes to another world
>goes on a journey and collects all sorts of plants and shit
>pushes for some basic shit like hygiene, no pulling guns out of his ass
>happy fun times when he gets back
>some attention from nobles, funny hjinks as he's out of his element, his ideas catch on and spread
>plague or famine hits the continent
>country does fucking great compared to neighbors
>starts a war to capitalize on their advantage
>conscription
>devolves into a generic edgefest as MC watches his friends die
>totally strays from the established tone and concept
>throw in a harem for good measure
what do you like my brilliantly genius smart idea
>>145671218
iirc it's called Padalin and it's an ongoing CYOA type thingy where at the end of each chapter or whatever the readers get to chose the path of action via polls.
read some of it a while ago, was pretty good.
>>145671487
>polls
There goes my excitement.
>>145671218
No, sorry, it's from some long running quest thread and the choices are already made.
>>145671509
still makes for decent reading as web novel or something like that. its setting is entertaining and the actual writing good enough
>>145670354
I'm picking this up it better be good
>>145663677
Evolution isn't a speedy process
>>145658843
World building has and will always be boring shit for nerds even in lotr it's just fluff, log horizon is the perfect example it sits you down and intricately explains it's world and then barely uses any of it.
World building is a waste of time if characters aren't actively exploring and trying to change their world, but even then there are series that do it really well like magi but became boring over time because they spent too much time on it. Spending an extended amount of time away from the plot in a flashbacks just isn't fun, make a gaiden/spin-off instead.
>>145622600
Self-insert fags.
It can't just be a fantasy story; no, a Japanese otaku has to end up in a fantasy world so that they can make fat stacks
I really wish there was an anime based on CAPCOM's old DnD arcade game, that or Dragon's Crown/Odin Sphere.
>>145674084
well there's a dragon's crown manga
One of my fav games
>>145670354
Bought volume three today: this series has some really nice presentation, even just in terms of its cover.
>>145641353
But he's alpha as fuck, he gets the girl at the endby literally giving her his heart to revive her.
>>145658694
That's honestly not that bad an idea, but ti's not what I think people who liked the first one are looking for.
>>145661105
I'm not sure it's a good idea. Is it a good idea?
>>145663113
Reminder that Mink has a really pretty p████
>>145622600
Because japanese have seen it so many times before in their JRPGS that they don't know how to have fun with it without trying to reinvent the wheel.
>>145676128
Are they both girls? The "guy" looks like a reverse trap.
>>145656516
few know about it
but it was fun when somebody upload the whole 5 seasons on himado
>>145678141
Dragon Ball is urban/contemporary fantasy at most, and then it becomes sci-fi.
>>145622600
Because Japanese writers can't write pure fantasy. Even that is too fucking difficult for them when they can just write some otaku hikiNEET self-insert as their MC and grab those guaranteed buyers.
>>145677149
It's a guy, but his mom's genes were stronger
>>145665424
>Source: read Eragon
>>145645084
That's his imouto, his waifu is Joan.
>>145665617
Then that wouldn't be link. In every Zelda game EVER. There's always an exact reincarnation of Link, the boy, Hero of time, and reincarnations of Zelda. The only one who's aged and stayed the same is Ganon. So that wouldn't work.
>>145680075
Who says souls have a gender?
>>145679531
Well damn it now I can't stop thinking how much better the show would be if he was a reverse trap.
>>145663113
>bore
>>145664356
remember when she got whored out by her creator to appear in Dragon Pink and got raped by a monster
>>145676128
>you will never fall in love with an retarded girl obsessed with collecting pretty pebbles
Id: Greatest Fusion Fantasy is an exceptional example (as in, it's an exception): A dude from your average chinese martial arts power fantasy (except instead of muscleman he's a longhaired prettyboy) gets transported into a high medieval fantasy, and joins your average D&D party: bigsword dude, axe dwarf, male middle-aged red mage, young cleric (swordsman's GF), and female elf acrobat-summoner.
Then stuff happens, including dragons, lasercannonswords, and a semicosmological version of the selfparent paradox.
>>145683398
Its publisher also went backrupt and latest published chapter, 178, is nothing of a stop point.
>>145683398
Sounds great, thanks for the tip.
>>145683398
Oh, no other publisher has picked Id up yet? Such a shame.
I always thought it has the best-drawn dwarfes in manga/manwha.
>>145676747
just do it faggot
you know one thing that pisses me off about Isekai is when after becoming the hero of the land, finding love or whatever they all decide to go back to Japan to finish school or some shit.
Shining Tears x Wing was kind of ass but at least Soma had the sense to stay where he's awesome and pound the cat girl every night
>>145646705
The otaku audience is the laziest piece of shit fanbase you can possibly write for. They can't be assed to think beyond their own hobbies of mindlessly collecting nice looking artwork and playing video games, so they'll just gloss over a good fantasy in favor of something they can relate to. They can't think critically or imagine things in their head, so the writers must build their world using massive exposition info dumps and illustrations. They can't figure out a character through their behavior and dialogue, so the writers must explicitly tell them what their personalities and motivations are (e.g. "she's the energetic one").
Everything you complain about is not necessarily the writers' fault. If they can't make more money with good writing, why bother trying so hard when you could just do what all the other otaku are doing? Even here on /a/ you get shitlord Fatefags and Monogatarifags who complain that the anime adaptation is "missing" the internal monologue that is apparently present in the source.
>>145660538
Do we have an estimate when it will release yet?
>>145686064
I do notice an increase of characters actually verbally mentioning the tsundere is in fact a tsundere lately
>>145685725
I'm not really seeing that, in stuff like KENS after saving the world the crew decided to stay right where they are instead of going back to Japan, there's stuff like Arifureta but most seem content to stay where they had their adventure and aren't shackled by their cubicle.
>>145622600
They ran out of high fantasy to rip off of because high fantasy in the west is looked down on now in favor of max grimdark.
>>145686254
>lately
Dude, how slow on the uptake are, that shit's been going on for years now.
>>145683398
Oh, this one has ugly, ugly art.
>>145684231
>best drawn
You must be blind, anon.
>>145686307
>An average Japanese student gets the chance to live in a fantasy world
>"Perfect" he thinks "With my game knowledge Ill be running this place in no time"
>Opening his eyes upon arrival thought he is met not with open fields and quiet villages. No, instead he stands upon a hill nearly buried in bones and bodies. Crows and wild dogs rip and bite into rotten flesh as the smell drops him to his needs and a blood red sky beats down on him as the sounds of horses stamp closer.
>>145686162
Somewhere in 2017.Nah, just kidding. I don't know.
>>145644216
>>145686442
Those exist by the dozen and are just as shit as the things they're laughing at.
>A cute retarded autist girl will never figuratively fall on your lap
>>145685725
>you know one thing that pisses me off about Isekai is when after becoming the hero of the land, finding love or whatever they all decide to go back to Japan to finish school or some shit.
That's actually a "pure" traditional video game isekai scenario (and Shining Wind was a game). High schooler(s) get summoned to be heroes, then the magic punts them back to Earth when they're done.
But you're in luck; since there are hundreds of webnovels running simultaneously, it's been diversifying a lot. Lots of characters that don't give a shit about going back home, and settings where there's no guaranteed return at the end. Sometimes the character's an edgelord rapist murderhobo, sometimes they just want to be comfy and run a store. Plus there's the reincarnation isekai trend, and those tend to be purely one-way trips.
>isekai thread
>no one talks about Brave Story
Shit is like an anti-isekai
>>145687270
Once you reincarnate there's basically nothing left for you back in good old Japan, who the fuck is gonna buy that this random vampire loli is their son?
>>145687421
someone Japanese
>>145687384
how was the game adaptation?
>>145687567
Dunno. I have never played the game.
>>145687567
Besides the sword being ugly as sin in all its incarnations it was aight.
>>145687698
Manga has shit art. I'm talking about the novel.
>>145687730
>I liked the voice acting better in the manga!
>>145687785
Also, the manga isn't faithful to the novel at all.
>>145687384
Because it's not an isekai thread?
>>145688030
This is an isekai thread though.
>>145688074
It's not, no matter how hard you try to derail it with video games, novels and western books.
>>145688151
>derailing a thread on autosage
Okay.
>>145688198
who are you quoting retard
>>145688398
>He doesn't know about meme arrows
Lurk more newfag
>lurk thread all night for recommendations
>it has literally nothing I haven't seen or dropped in it
Truly the Japanese audience needs gimmicks to get into Fantasy.
>>145688680
Just go to the worksafe request board for recommendations.