Why do you people shit on naruto?

Because its shit.

>>145599840
Okay but why is it shit?

>>145599876

Don't have the pasta but it is at least 2 posts long and not worth it. Pretty much the story is terrible, the character awful and the ending rushed as fuck. So in conclusion it is shit once part 2 was started.

Does Neji smoke the ganja for his guacloma?

>>145599990
So you basically don't have any reasons for why its shit?

if you have to ask you'll never know...

Because you're a faggot.

>>145599770
I used to enjoy it until Shippuden got into all that power up nonsense with fucking giant spirit bomb rasengans and toad eye sage mode. I also didn't like how Naruto became Ninja Jesus.

Basically it was a lot better when it was simpler.

>>145599770
because shit like the pic you posted

fuck off narutards

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The only people who died in the war that were significant was Obito and Neji. And both of them had a shitty deaths.

>>145600233
Guy should have died.

>>145600172
You don't find the newer episodes fun to watch?

Gateway anime of the worst kind etc etc someone post it

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I've got a real question:

Why the FUCK was the sharigan almost indescribably stronger than the byakugan?

I mean wtf. I mean were talkin beginning of dbz goku vs cell saga goku in differences in power.
Shit doesn't make sense.

>>145600268

Oh yes because for all of part 1 and part 2 they were hyping up 8 gates to high hell only for Naruto Jesus to heal him up and the only repercussion is a fucked up leg.

Real good work Kishi.

>>145600344
>Gateway anime
Please fuck off with that buzzword. It means nothing. A anime that is popular isn't necessarily shit

>>145600430
>A anime that is popular isn't necessarily shit
Yeah you right.
Naruto is still shit though.

>>145600369
Imagine if the Byakugan could interface with the orbital laser on the moon.

>>145600271
Some of them. Like I said, I lost interest once all that power up nonsense started going. I mean did he really need to have a "Sage Mode"? He couldn't have just gotten stronger or learned new, more powerful jutsus? Like in one of the very first episodes when he learned the Shadow Clone jutsu from the scroll that he stole.

>>145599770
Fuck off narutard

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>Kakashi knows 1000 jutsus
>Uses a couple in the entire series

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>>145600540
Whats more annoying is how quickly sage mode was phased out.

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>>145600626

>>145599770
Story started off okay. It was actually decent through the Chuunin Exam. The story started going downhill after that though. By the time Shippuden happened the story was off the rails.

Then we literally got space aliens.

It deserves to be shit all over.

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>>145599770
Characters suck ass, it's a babby's first anime with WE GOTSA FITE DE BAD GUISE. The main character is some sort of fucking fox demon with nine tails because go FUCK YOURSELF and lets not forget the immense autism around the show. Does that make the show bad? No. But it makes the show about two times more off putting. We get to watch Naruto try to become the super speshul Naruto become hokage, a title that sounds like some sort of off brand sausage, and scream about believing it when he cums on the villain. characters feel bad, the story feels bad, red and black edgy Sasook eyes make the show really cool apparently. Naruto is a cancer that needs to die off and the only thing that even slightly redeems it are the fighting games that are average and not really super fun. I hate the premise and I probably always will.

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>>145599770
Hinata a cute.

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>>145599770
Because they can. Got a problem with freedom motherfucker?

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>>145599770
Started off as a deconstruction of the battle shounen genre then became a stereotypical battle shounen complete with power levels and muh lineage bullshit.

>>145600369
I think the regular Sharingan was what it should have remained as, and the Mangekyou powers shouldn't exist at all. Like Susanoo and Kamui.

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>>145600926

>>145599770
>post a picture of magic eyes
>ask for a reason why people complain
This is mid level bait at best.

>>145600594
>master of 990 useless jutsu

>>145600762
>it's a babby's first anime
This is not valid criticism.
>The main character is some sort of fucking fox demon with nine tails because go FUCK YOURSELF
You obviously haven't watched the show.

wat r u doing anon?

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>>145600972
and thats it

>>145600122
So you basically can't read for shit?

Why do you people shit on one piece?

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>tells Neji he doesn't believe in destiny
>he has a prophecy revolving around him and is destined to save the world

>>145600430
Most often popular anime are shit, and they go on forever because of their popularity.

Does anyone here genuinely prefer Naruto fanfiction over the actual series?

>>145599770
The original series was passable, it was a solid 6/10. Art was passable, and while the story wasn't good, it was better than other popular series

The sequel boruto is terrible though. Art sucks, they're rehashing the movies, and the power inflation is going to be horrendous

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>>145601099
You are a sakurafag aren't you?

Posting anything Naruto related should be against the rules.

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>>145601130
No, I actually tend to avoid NaruSaku/NaruHina because it's the same shit every time.

Best girl in pic though

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>>145601158
>>145601158
It used to be.

>>145601130
Now I think about it I wonder how old and saggy she got since she has that thing on her forehead. Which would explain why Sasuke never comes home.

>>145601158
>can't discuss anime in an anime image board
Don't be so stupid anon

>>145600213
This. I can't even get into it just based on the style alone. Not to mention any other short comings

>>145600430
Newfag.

reminder Kakashi's only true victory was against Zabuza.

this guy was hyped with having 1000 abilities, but we only saw a couple of them.

>>145601403
That's because he believes in teamwork. Also he beat the coolest guy that one time.

>>145600369
Because Uchiha >>>>>>>>>> Fodderuga clan

nu /a/ actually likes Naruto so I don't know what OP is getting at

What's the best movie?

>>145599770
Why is Neji even there? The Byakugan is shit.

>>145601648
the one with hinata and naruto ending toguether.
for me was the ending that shit needed so i stopped watching it after that

>>145601830
Naruhina and The Last a shit.

>>145601223
Tsunade used the energy in the thing on her forehead to cover up her rapidly aging body. Sakura is probably vain enough to do the same, until something happens and she needs to divert the chakra elsewhere.

>>145599770
>edgygan
>asspullgan
>OGgan
>fillergan
>foddergan

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>>145600233
Obito got to be reunited with his waifu, got called the coolest guy by the MC despite all the shit he did and then teleported back to earth to hand the heroes the most powerful asspull in the entire series which they used to defeat the final boss.

>>145600369
Because two main characters and a villain said to be stronger than Orochimaru had the sharingan while only a side boss and a weak love interest had the byakugan

>>145601448
>Also he beat the coolest guy that one time.
Coolest Guy pretended to be retarded so Kakashi could remove the puppetmaster seal that Madara put in his heart

>>145599770
Lurk moar.

>>145599770
Nowadays is just a meme, BnHA and its fanbase are much worse.

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>>145599770
Because it got turned from your regular fighting shonen about friendship and underdogs into some sort of epic fantasy saga with religious undertones.

And even the first part only worked because Kishimoto literally ripped off Hunter x Hunter. I don't know why people don't talk more about this, there isn't ONE original thing about Sasuke in Part 1.

>>145600594
Kakashi actually uses more techniques than anyone else in the series, but he's not an idiot so he doesn't bother with the 990 inferior techniques he knows.

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>>145600932
>Started off as a deconstruction of the battle shounen genre

>>145603202
>Kakashi actually uses more techniques than anyone else in the series
It isn't hard since he and Sasuke are the only characters in the series that arent one or two trick ponies

Is this the dubs thread?

Check 'em

>>145600369
Byakugan originates from aliens
Sharingan originates from the god tree

>>145599770
Because it was the most popular anime/manga for a long long time in Western fandom, and /a/ is contrarian and hipster as fuck.

It's not especially good, but it wasn't terrible either. Especially compared to other battle shonen, which let's face it, are usually pretty awful.

>>145600233
Obito's death was only shitty in that it was a billion times better than a character like him deserved.

>>145601130
>tfw Hinata porn pics get low ratings because Sakufags down vote them

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>>145603363
Obito was great though. He was what Nardo would have been without his friends/waifu.

>>145603241
I never said it was an impressive showing, I was just pointing out that he's got the biggest list.

>>145601040
All invalidated by the fact that she birthed fucking Boruto the cheater ninja.

>>145600932
>>145603237

I think he means how there was a clear gap in power between kids and adults that wouldn't be filled any time soon, but that was thrown out the window pretty fast.

>>145603318
>but it wasn't terrible either.
If you're serious you have really shit taste, consider suicide.
Naruto by the War Arc was SAO levels of bad.

>>145603400
>He was what Nardo would have been without his friends/waifu.
Along with Haku, Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, and Nagato.

>>145603318

The supporting characters are pretty great and the setting is interesting enough.

The manga suffered from the protag being a literal halfwit who won everything by spamming two special moves and the rival being the definition of an edgelord.

If you removed these two dipshits from the narrative the manga is 9/10 easy.

Also another problem was the whole POETRY angle where every decision or event is echoed in past generations' decisions and events and all generations having similar groups of friends doing similar things with mildly different results.

>>145603480
Out of those he only really compared himself to Gaara, Obito and Sasuke

>>145603456
>I think he means how there was a clear gap in power between kids and adults that wouldn't be filled any time soon, but that was thrown out the window pretty fast.
Well anyone who thought that was retarded because that was clearly not going to be the case. One of Kakashi's most quoted lines is about the existence of kids younger than them and stronger than him. That's literally just someone talking bullshit because the setting didn't line up with their head-canon.

To take it even further the power gap wasn't closed until after a three year timeskip.

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Whose idea was this? They fucking ruined sasuke-kun

>>145599770
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/eo0x8DsrgjuJ6PQd3QMing/

Narutards sure are cancerous

>>145603522
>If you removed these two dipshits from the narrative the manga is 9/10 easy.
If you remove those two there is no narrative. The entire manga centers on them after all.

>>145603641
You can't stay a pretty boy forever anon. You have to let the testosterone flow eventually, especially if you want to have children.

>>145600369
>wtf

>>145603595
>One of Kakashi's most quoted lines is about the existence of kids younger than them and stronger than him


At the time I thought he was just making shit up to motivate them.
I guess Haku being stronger than Zabuza was a strong indication of the contrary.

>>145603641
They need to hide his heterochromia somehow.

>>145603667
Not really true for Naruto, most of part 2 wasn't about him at all, he simply butted in.

>>145603720
Was Haku really stronger than Zabuza? Sasuke was outclassing him pretty badly before he pulled out the mirrors and Haku said that he was going to lose when he saw Sasuke's sharingan.

>>145603767
Half of part 2 is about Nagato/Coolest Guy/Madara gathering the tailed beasts the other half is about Naruto being gay for Sasuke

>>145603877
Which isn't really about Naruto so much as the Kyuubi, which they only went after at the very end.
The second part occupied very little space, it was mostly about Sasuke.

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>>145599770

Because this girl right here was the most qualified to win the Narubowl.
She did not win.

>>145604059
She should have won the Kakashi bowl. Too bad he was gay.

>>145603985
Well, the kyuubi is the source of like 90% of Naruto's power and the main reason for his "boo hoo, feel sorry for me" childhood so they are bound together no matter what.

>>145604059
Is she even canon? I don't remember ever seeing her in the manga.

>>145604121
I thought that his immense chakra came from his Uzumaki heritage?

>>145600369
Had Kishimoto followed his original plan the Sharingan wouldnt have been so overpowered and there wouldve been more clans with kekkei Genkais

you know I would've been quite happy if Madara was tobi all along, and gets stomped in his war.

edgy sasuke and nardo duking it out to save "muh konaha/world" would've made a more fitting finale.

Nyet fuck the jade rabbit. Jubi was fine.

>>145601099
I haven't watched to series in quite some time, and have only heard about what goes on in it through the ramblings of some of my favored authors.
Overall I find Naruto fanfiction much more enjoyable than the actual show.

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>>145604239
Say what you want about Madara but he was pretty entertaining and one of the few good things about the terrible war arc.

>>145600233
what about Madara?

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>>145604365
He was already dead when the war started

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It started to get really bad after Pain. It was never that good to begin with, but it was still tolerable in my eyes until the ending of Naruto's fight with Pain and Nagato revived everyone out of nowhere. Almost every facet of the story after that instance became pure dogshit.

The worst thing, though, is probably Kishimoto's obsession with giving literally every single character some pity-party backstory that's supposed to make the reader feel sympathy for them. That was just downright insulting, especially with Obito. This mass-murdering, war-mongering retard committed all these horrible, unspeakable crimes because some stupid girl he liked died, and the author actually tried to redeem this character when he deserves no redemption at all, and everyone was supposed to forgive him because he wanted to become Hokage. It was almost as if Kishi was trying to justify all the atrocious shit he did.

>Don't make fun of the guy who killed my parents! He was the coolest guy!!!

That's your main character, brilliant. And don't even get me started on Sasuke.

>>145604299
No, he wasn't. I associate him heavily with how bad this arc became. He was so goddamn bland and boring with not an ounce of charisma or personality, and his motivation as a villain was pants-on-head retarded. Power fantasy at its absolute worst;.

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>>145604492
>with not an ounce of charisma or personality

It's a contradictory fucking mess of values.

The power scales went a bit too bonkers.

Some characters go full retard. Talk no jutsu is a thing. DEM uchiha and madara. Tobi = Obito was actually a thing. MASS REVIVALS. Strange personality changes/team swaps (orochi, fox, nagato etc). The retarded power up chain for eye hax. Lineage is everything.

It needed to focus on the background lore better. Some how in only 200 years since madara vs the first everyone forgot so much background lore and rules of their fucking universe.

Simply the scale was wrong. It needed to show us the rest of the world, more from other nations, the true relationships between hidden villages and their ruling houses, basically more politics/agendas. The hypocritical nature of the fire cunts being all peace loving but still using child soldiers.

The weird level of tech that bounces around so much. Lots of electronics (radios, recording devices, cameras etc), even some more modern 90's~ tier tech, but severe under use in situations it would help. Yes it's about wizards in funny outfights who swing from trees, occasionally throwing a dagger, but why have all this technology and experimentation capability and not use it to the full extent?

>>145599770
>Why do you people shit on naruto?
I actually enjoyed the beginning.
But right when the barrel arc started, I realised that things are going down hill. And we see how in the end the story degenerated to the point of talking about how your genetics determine everything, and hardwork means nothing. And any talk about a ninja team was annihilated when fights become solo affairs.

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>>145604528
>One one-liner means he's charismatic

>>145604423
>And don't even get me started on Sasuke.
I'll do it for you
>wants to kill his brother for killing his family
>teams up with a creepy pedo that wants his body on the off chance he'll train him
>kill his brother
>his brother only killed everyone to keep peace in the village
>better go kill the village leaders and make some anarchy
>nah its okay I changed my mind
>Im a good guy now too
>but now I have to go kill the village leaders and my best friend
>but now Im a good guy again and everybody loves me

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>>145604640
If Madara isn't charismatic then no one in Naruto is besides Guy and Jiraiya

I've only read the very first book, the one where Kishimoto talks about his plant or something, what exactly happens after that?

>>145604730
Bingo

>>145604184

I think we still got a fair amount of 'unique clan only' powers. Just that they were sort of diffused into a single characters with a power that literally could not be copied, instead of showing that there were a whole family line of them.

Naruto would have been better without ninja eyes.

>>145604730
ding ding ding
and we have a winer

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>>145604546
>Yes it's about wizards in funny outfights who swing from trees, occasionally throwing a dagger,

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>>145604807
It would have been even better if ninja eyes were just really good at copying things like they were supposed to be.

>>145604730
>If Madara isn't charismatic then no one in Naruto is besides Guy and Jiraiya
You're absolutely right. Only Guy and Jiraiya have anything resembling a personality in this series.

>>145604677
>>nah its okay I changed my mind
>>Im a good guy now too
>>but now I have to go kill the village leaders and my best friend
>>but now Im a good guy again and everybody loves me
it was good before these.

Sasuke should've been the final villain.

>>145604730
Correct

>>145601062

If only that shit with 4 tails didn't happen.

If we'd never seen glimpses of such huge terrain destruction from akatsuki members vs bijuu then the series could have been kept low key in terms of scale.

But no, that fight with orochimaru at the bridge showed us that the fuck huge scale was just beginning, that was 4/9 tails and it was destroying the landscape and fucking orochimaru was only just starting to think it was a bit too high.

It's fucking worthless writing all the unique skills and low key abilities if everything ends up resulting in beam spam and swinging an arm that causes 100m diameter craters.

The glaring problems started the arc before that but for me that was the point everything just broke forever.

>>145605075
So basically it was Namek all over again

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>>145604952
>Sasuke should've been the final villain.
He technically was

>>145605322
But at that point, it was't about Naruto vs Sasuke anymore. It was Indra vs Aura and all that reincarnation bullshit. Kishi diluted the shot out of this fight.

>>145605075
I first assumed the show was going to leave small scale fighting when jiraya and tsunade fought orochimaru in part one, when gaara and naruto did it with their tailed beasts it was cool cause at the time we thought they were only ones who could do it, and under extreme conditions, but after the sennin summoned their frogs and shit, it became obvious that that was gonna be the way of fighting

>>145604182

Bit of both.

Lineage + being a vessel = 2X the norm base level + fox on the side.

What I recall was basically that vessels naturally get a bit larger supply because they have to suppress/use their own mana instead of relying solely on their beast (or else they can turn out like gaara).

>>145604239

Rabbit was foreshadowed though right? At least when using tradition folklore as the basis. The whole rabbit - snake thing we all thought was going to happen towards the end with orochi finally getting his immortal body, his attraction to individuals who had stronger lineage powers that were less diluted etc.

>>145605172
At least they weren't talking about SSBx10 at that point.

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>when Gaara sleeps the tailed beast comes out
>am supposed to believe that he hasn't slept in like 14 years

>special power is sand bending because of the tailed beast
>loses tailed beast
>keeps sand bending anyway

>sadistic monster that kills in the most painful ways for fun
>hated and feared by everyone he know including his own family
>gets beat up by someone in a similar situation
>totally reformed, leader of his village and everybody loves him

>>145605929
he also killed a kid in real life

>>145605929
He saved the entire sand village that one time. I always assumed that was a major PR boon for him.

>>145599770
Look at your pic OP.

Ya look?

That's why .

>>145599770
I regrettably read through the entire thing and have no idea who the guy on the middle right is

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>>145599770
Not sure about everyone else, but I do it because of this banner.
>>145600344

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>>145599770
Because it retconned the story hard, the characters acted terribly throughout the series and it would not end even after it had more than enough time to. Plus it had practically as many bad arcs as good which makes it basically a coin toss of quality.

Bleach did better due to having 2 arcs being bad while 4 arcs being good. Better concise storyline, better characters and isn't going to go into spinoff spawn hell like Naruto.

>>145606643
If Bleach was so good why did it get cancelled?

>>145607005
Because WSJ doesn't care for orginality as long as it obsesses with Naruto clones like MHA, Black Clover and Boruto.

Your shit comic is inferior because it caused much pain in the long run

>>145599770
Because of fans

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>>145604730
You've seen the light anon

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>>145600172
>Naruto (minus fillers) was fantastic up until Sasuke left and the timeskip happened
>Bleach was good until they saved Rukia from Soul Society
>One Piece took an obvious dive after the timeskip
>Dragon Ball Super is somehow worse than GT

Why does everything have to turn to shit? I mean, I guess we can't talk. They're probably saying the same thing after watching Jurassic World and Terminator Genisys. Still, all four of those anime/mangas I mentioned are insanely popular. You would think they'd be treated a bit better. Isn't Japan supposed to be a country about work ethics? Don't they feel shame for degrading in quality so noticeably?

>>145600369

Byakugan can easily reach rinnegan levels with Teisengan and then some.

It's just the hyuuga's weren't mentally deficient enough to keep killing each other for power like the uchiha did. Or kill people because their waifu died. There's a reason their clan is still active while the uchiha's went extinct

>>145608096

In One Piece's case that work ethic is what fucked it all up.

Oda usually only gets 3 hours of sleep per day. It's clear his brain has been fried.

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>Manga starts off heavy on the theme of 'hard work trumps talent'.
>Naruto gets all of his powers dumped onto him, they just fucking happen. Arguably the only thing he did related to his hard work was learning that super secret ninja scroll in chapter 1.
You can't fuck up this bad.

>>145608751
He also learned the rasengan which he needed the shadow clones to do. He had to train for almost a week for that!

>shadow clone is a forbidden technique that should never be used
>Naruto uses it all day every day
>Kakashi casually used it that one time too just because
>everybody is fine with this

>>145599770
Because it's popular. Stop pretending this is not the real reasons you hipsters.

>>145609544
He also had to train when he learned the Rasen Shuriken and how to enter the frog mode. Up until the war arc there are plenty of instances where he trained hard actually.

I would have really, REALLY enjoyed Naruto if they SLOWED down the fucking story after Naruto defeated Pain - after he learned Sage Mode.

It would have been cool if they had Naruto actually have to be a jounin in fact, if not by name, and actually do a few high end missions for the village since he was the only powerhouse left in good condition while the village was repaired.

The anime had a good idea,stretching it out- but those fillers are so fucking bad- getting him on a boat was pointless.

They should have focused on the fact that Naruto had become one of the village's mightiest, and you could have written pretty good storylines about Naruto having to deal with it.

Sage Mode was amazing. We didnt have to immediately get Jinchuriki Mode Mk2.

Manga writers dont know shit about pacing.

My biggest issue is that Naruto never really learns any jutsu. He has about four different jutsus and just does a couple of variants on them. He went on a two year training trip with one of the Sannin who knew hundreds of jutsu and is one of the strongest ninjas, I learned how to use a bit more of my tailed beast, a bigger Rasengan, and a little taijutsu. Then they do that whole section about him learning to use his wind chakra and they don't teach him a single fucking jutsu.

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>>145601040
That was beautiful.

>>145599770
Retarded DARKNESS beamspam shit for children. Written by a hack.

If you unironically enjoy Naruto you are either a huge faggot, a hambeast, or 12 years old..

>>145610147
Remember when we came back from the timeskip and Naruto had basically learned fucking nothing while Sasuke had become ninja Batman?
Talk about whiplash.

>>145599770
I only like Kaguya's design desu.

She's really pretty.

>>145610553
>He has about four different jutsus
Actually just shadow clones, rasengan, and sexy jutsu if you want to count it. He uses nothing else the entire series.

>>145610772
I don't disagree with you, but I hate the fact that she's a Naruto character.
She just feels so out of place.

>>145610725
It was ridiculous.
I just simply dont understand how the writer could make the main character completely waste 3 years of training with a master, but the secondary character becomes some god tier master.It was mindboggling, and to this day, reeks horribly of Sasuke masturbatory fantasy.

I dont mind if you want to keep Sasuke ahead of Naruto, sure, whatever, but Naruto looked like some chuunin random waste of space, while Sasuke was kage tier.

Then, he trained to do the Rasenshuriken for a WEEK, and the writer was so fucking dumb that he sincerely wanted us to believe Naruto had gotten a massive upgrade.

Really? From learning elemental manipulation, and maybe improving his chakra control a whole bit?

Fuck Kishimoto, man.
At least the Sage Mode was interesting.

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>>145610891

>>145610953
Orochimaru was onto something, clearly.
Dude got results.

>>145604365
Madara easily had the shittiest death for such a major character.

>>145611161
Madara's death would have been more interesting had the twist been a bit less subtle and more foreshadowed, like maybe the writer could have had hinted that Madara was playing with powers he didnt understand.

>>145605929
I get so turned on by him.

>>145610891
>She just feels so out of place.
Know the feel.

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>>145611161
>>145611202
I'll be forever mad at this asspull

>>145605322
technically /= actually being
After the fight with Kabuto, Sasuke is more an anti-hero on the dark scale of things than a villain.

>>145605768
>Rabbit was foreshadowed though right?
If you don't consider a foreshadowing planned 10 or 5 chapters before the reveal not as a last minute addition, I guess it was.

>>145599770
because even bleach has better characters

>>145599770
Honest answer?

Because after all that hype, all that character progress, the awesomeness that is Madara, and every dream brought up from watching it when you get home after school and practice the jutsu in front of your TV, it ends with a fucking ripoff of The Matrix. I mean fucking what. Uchiha Madara final battle with all the strongest jutsu they've learned throughout the series and we end up with a fucking Goddess and complete change of theme with the literal fate of humankind depends on Naruto and Sasuka being able to kill said Goddess.

I mean what the fuck.

>>145612323

You don't think using a common folklore tale was enough?

>>145608096
>Isn't Japan supposed to be a country about work ethics?
works ethics < money

SWJ know that serie like Naruto/One piece/Bleach have that much success because the reader is feed with a chapter per week. Weekly release is just an addiction and SWJ flourish because children and manchildren want their weekly escapism.

Consider also that some of their mangakas wouldn't produce a better story just because they are given more time. Though it would definitely be good for their health.

>>145610953
>reeks horribly of Sasuke masturbatory fantasy
Not really, no. This anon get it though >>145611020

It's easy to believe Orochimaru is a much more implicated teacher than Jirayia is. Plus Sasuke had been several times pointed out as the focused and hard working student type pre-shippuden, while Naruto is mostly a slacker that kick is arse when he is strictly supervised, and only then.

>>145612487
Not when it is introduced 10-5 chapters before showing how fairy tales are real. If naruto was a 40 chapter serie it wouldn't been much of a problem, but it's not the case. Kishi should have think of his universe there and there before dropping it on us just to justify a twist and a villain.

>>145610862

Hey:

>sage (generic melee power up)
>wind/ras varients, thrown, melee
>golden god mode
>some sort of tele/speed haxx
>couple summons
>clone spam

Dunno if you'd count the tail stages or the beam spam/bombs.

He was always more a melee fighter, the kids too fucking stupid for hand magic, it's why his signature moves were basically limited trickery, punching and punching with mana balls.

But in a world of tree wizards he's severely lacking in repertoire.

>>145613452

I thought moon princess reference was dropped way back in the day. With the uchiha tablet.

>>145604492
>He was so goddamn bland and boring with not an ounce of charisma or personality
He had plenty of both. Power fantasy for sure, but at least he was fun. All you had to do was stop taking the series seriously in any way.

>>145599770
I don't get the hate for it.
I won't say its good, but its definitely not the crime against humanity most people here make it out to be.
The only reason why I think its so hated here is because it is popular as fuck despite not being that good to warrant that popularity.

>>145608096
because instead of limiting character's powers and having them fight creatively, all the characters can just keep getting stronger through training and the fights become powerlevel pissing contests.

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>>145599770
because of eyehax
also what /a/ thinks about Boruto Serşes?

>>145609629
shadow clone is not a forbidden technique
if you're talking about the scroll from the very beginning, there were many techniques in there and naruto mentioned only being able to learn the first one, which was a forbidden version of shadow clone jutsu
the difference between naruto's clones and most other shadow clones, are that his have a physical body and the others are illusions

>>145608215
More like they were never relevant enough for Kisho to bother to make them strong after Neji got defeated by Nardo.

Timeskips ruin everything.

>>145599770
because its garbage
at least the whole second part is

>>145614904
All Shadow CLones have a physical body, that´s their point.
Normal clones are only Illusions

>>145603641
The new moe art style is just shit
All the characters look almost baby like

>Naruto thread
reported

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>>145599770
Remember when it was about complex hand seals and defeating much stronger enemies through coordination and planning? Fucking Shikamaru was the original concept made into character. Now it's all about "visual prowess" and nukeninjatech spamming. Also that asspull of a "final boss" at the end, hilarious.

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The biggest problem with Naruto in Part 2 was how the Uchihas completely hijacked the story after Pain's invasion. There were just too many of them, and it indeed became all about them for too fucking long. Itachi should have absolutely stayed dead after he died fighting Sasuke, although that's part of a bigger problem that I have with Edo Tensei altogether. Sasuke himself should have quit his boring edgefest after fighting Itachi; if he had to remain a villain, then that would have been the perfect time for Orochimaru to come back and possess Sasuke's body. But Kishi dropped the fuck out of that ball.

Obito and Madara weren't needed at all. Fuck them both. But if you insist on them being part of the story, then it should be either one or the other, because these two heavily oversaturated the plot with their silly plan and inane flashbacks. Alternatively, just have it Madara possessing the body of Obito, at least that way Obito's character doesn't get completely destroyed like it did. But like I said, neither of them were needed and Tobi being the true leader of the Akatsuki was stupid, as was he identity as Obito, as was his story to Sasuke about Itachi wuz a gud boi.

Basically, fuck the Uchiha - Madara, Obito and Itachi specifically. Sasuke should have been the only obstacle left for Naruto after defeating Pain. Just have their final fight and be done with it; maybe even utilising Oro for one last time. Naruto basically accomplished everything he wanted, he saved Konoha, earned the village's respect and pretty much guaranteed himself the Hokage seat at some point in the future. With only Sasuke left, the series should have been wrapped up inside 30 chapters, and I'm still mindboggled that Kishi dragged it out for 300 more.

>>145601040
I enjoyed that, really caught me up since I dropped it at Shippuden.

>>145614073
Not really, the Indra-Ashura bullshit was foreshadowed since the kage summit arc, the sage of six paths was first mentioned with Nagato's backstory and then he got name dropped every other chapter.

Kaguya at most got yada yada'd about 30 chapters before her first appearance

>>145617100

Sot6P name drop was only with the first nagato flashback, so like Ch. 350s? My issue with the lore was that if it was intended to go as scaled as it did, it needed to really delve into it way earlier and explore that 'all the unique clan specific powers are just heavily diluted powers of "the orginator"'. But we're introduced to the world like it's the norm. Madara shit really only happened 200 years prior, their tech is above or on par with ours in some parts and badly utilized and we're not really given a decent look at the world at large, the origin of magic until right at the end.

Just a mess when I try to think about it.

>>145617315
now post the bruce lee fight that they're BOTH rotoscoped from

>>145599770

It's just bad.

>>145599770
Sasuke

>>145617804
It doesn't exist.

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>>145616736
>Obito and Madara weren't needed at all. Fuck them both.
They did end up becoming ridiculously popular with the nips

>>145618410
Super cool dude, did you make all of these yourself?

>>145618524
Nope. Just had the picture saved.

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>>145599840
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>>145616505
Haha! I expect nothing less from my eternal rivals!

>>145618513
>Sakura the 2nd most popular character
Holy shit, do Nips have shit taste.

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>>145618513
I fucking hate ship fags they are the worst of the worst. They tend to ship characters than don't even talk to each other.

Real talk do most of you really hate the show or do you guys just hate the fanbase?

>>145619562
Both.

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>>145619372
You're just too bitter to enjoy a little romance.

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>>145599770
Why do people shit on SAO?

>>145618978
It doesn't really measure popularity, just amount of fanart.

And it does make sense for Sakura to have so much since she is the designated town bike.

>>145620487
This. Pink shit is only good for lewd.

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>>145620676
Surprisingly good for breeding too. Assuming there was no cuckery involved.

>>145607005
Because he's a delusional cocksucker.
Bleach was shit after the Arrancar invasion arc.

>>145608590
>>145612895
so does that mean hiatus x hiatus has a good story

>>145599770
It is shit because it shat on all its premises.
1)Hard work became useless and only genetics mattered in the end
2)sharingan became an all powerfull tool
3)where did kaguya came from
4)building an atmy against literally who
5)sasuke changes opinion too many times with not enough character development
6)everyone is forgiven except for the crazy bitch alien
7)naruto was the messiah and it turns out he failed
8)obito literally came back from the dead to asspull a power up
9)when did obito gave nagato the rinnegan?
10)jiraya's death was useless
11)the 4th was the strongest, no wait it was the 3rd, no but seriously it was the first hokage all along
12)weren't the bijuu born from hatred?
13)orochimaru came back from the dead through the cursed mark, literally no foreshadow of that
14)orochimaru was forgiven
15)in the last war naruto has literally infinite stamina

>>145618513
Why is Sasori so high?

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>>145608096
Because they probably realize this is the only time they have a spot in the limelight. They look at the glories of the past like Hara and Kurumada and see that after your popular batlte shonen it's done you'll be forgotten and all your other work ignored. Which is why Hara and Kuruamada came up with the "expanded universe" for Hokuto no Ken and Saint Seiya 20 years after the original run: it's the only way they can be popular and make money again.
The only one I can give a pass is Toriyama, since Dragon Ball was a worldwide phenomenon who still hasn't faded into obscurity, it makes sense to have a go at it one last time before death.


>>145620945
Togashi had 20 years to come up with a good story though. And even then the Chimera arc was subpar in both story and art.

>>145621249
Bishonen pretty boy with cool powers that has very popular pairings with Deidara and Sakura.

>>145621276
>the Chimera arc was subpar in story

Explain yourself

>>145621399
No, this is not a HxH thread.
Go choke on a dildo of both rubber and gum.

>>145621568
If you can't validate your statement, then don't bother making it in the first place.

>>145621568
Don't talk shit if you can't back it up, you coward.

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>>145599770
I really wish they didn't milk this series with that new Boruto abomination. We all knew it was going to happen, but still. The Last ended the series perfectly, and even the Boruto movie was ok. But some edgy deviant art OC comes in and destroys everything. Just let the Naruto have his happy ending already.

>>145603427
Doesn't matter because Boruto just needs to fuck Salad. That's the true Ninja Jesus.

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>>145622676

>>145622710
Precisely.

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>>145599770

I let the people who like it mind their business, but for me it suffers the same fate as every anime having several hundreds of episodes. It drags on and on and the intensity thus decreases, making many people here become disinterested. I watched it up until this point where naruto lost his master and learns this giant frog technique and fights against the black guys in this village that gets wrecked. How many episodes were there until this point? A hundred? And I remember next to nothing. Meanwhile I remember every detail of a couple standard animes having 24 episodes.
It's all in the density, man.

Because:
Retcons
Change of tone and themes
forced shit
lack of sense
dropped story points.

shipping tards.

>>145620835
And Naruto didnt?
basically everything after the Pain Invasion arc was turd tier shit.

It would've been an actually great story if it had ended at the Pain arc with a few minor changes.
>mass revival didn't happen
>naruto convinced nagato to change his mind with something other than "because idk lol"
>tobi/obitobi kenobi didn't exist
>have sasuke find out about the planned uchiha massacre somewhere else

Then just have Sasuke return to the village ready to destroy it, edginess and all when the village is trying to recover. Naruto then has to fight him, but tries to convince him to turn his ways throughout the fight, but he then realizes that there are just some people he can't save, and that a Hokage needs to make choices. He would then realize who his real friends are, like Sakura, Shikamaru, Lee, and the others. Then he kills Sasuke and upon witnessing him reaching this decision for the sake of the village, Tsunade crowns Naruto the Hokage. Then it fucking ends.

r8 my fanfic

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>>145622991
That's what happens when you run too long. Same things happens to western comic books.

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>>145621245
This pretty much.

And all I wanted to see was this fellow here becoming the next final fantasy swordsman badass. But nope, his story was dropped.

srsly, best bro on the series. Always telling the truth and no bullshit.

>>145624081
I think they should have fought but not over something as cataclismic as that but for a simple point of view on things, like they did at the valley of the end.

Also I liked Karin, I wanted to see her becoming bros with Naruto because uzumakis.

>>145608215
this
and we might see in boruto's shitty manga that transplanting a byakugan to another byakugan user might give them more power, but it's something forbidden
after all, the teisengan is just accumulated byakugans, (something similar to sharingan)

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>>145622073
>>145622269
>H-HOW DARE HE INSULT MY SHITTASTE!

Stop making an embarassment out of yourself, your parents are ashamed enough already.

>>145624504
Why are you so defensive?

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>>145624504
Not an argument

>>145599770
Sakura ending with sasuke
i wanted that bitch to end alone

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>>145599770
>channel surfing
>suddenly find naruto
>it's just starting
>give it a try
>naruto and company go to a classroom, they have an exam
>they are given the exam, naruto goes into autism mode and yells I CAN'T DO THIS
>YES, YOU CAN! BELIEVE IN YOU!
>YOU ARE RIGHT! I CAN DO THIS!
>naruto goes on a rant about why he can actually answer the exam for the rest of the episode
IT'S SHIT

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>>145601040
>Neji you beautiful bastard
fucking lost it man

Naruto will always be great just due to the frustration and anger the ending caused people alone.

>>145599770
Because 0 relatable character, Don't know about others

>>145602645
I like to imagine that after Obito returns, Rin drags him off and helps hold him down while Kushina and everybody else he's directly responsible for murdering takes turns kicking him in the face.

>>145603641
His chin was supposed to be broader, like his dad's. Why didn't they implement that in the movie?

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>>145624504
You still haven't explained why Chimera arc was subpar. Because even you know it's not true.

>>145618513
>Shikanaru
>InoSara

>>145627991
Naruto has always had fairly popular gay ships with Gaara and Shikamaru, though of course not as much as the borderline canon one with Sasuke.

Sarada is the new designated town bike

>>145604410
Madara was best girl.

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OH MY GOD

LOOK AT THESE JOBBERS

>>145628808
what was rock lee's biggest moment after fighting gaara?

>>145628808
Shikamaru ain't a jobber

>>145628915
Getting his ass saved by Gaara

How do fuck does Naruto die in the new Boruto shit?

>>145599770
The first bit was okay ( i think the village in the mist or whatever bit was good). It went way too far with the powers and shit though. If it stayed as a low key ninja show rather than some DBZ shit it could have been decent.

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>>145628915
>what was rock lee's biggest moment after fighting gaara?
He kicked the shit out of Madara after Neji died and got that power up from Naruto. The anime fucked this up hard though.

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>>145601040
Not even a naturo fan but that was beautiful

>>145628808
Tenten was so cute. What happened to her?

>>145599770
Naruto is a rip-off of Hunter x Hunter but without all the interesting and intellectual parts.

>>145630238
>intellectual parts.
just stop.

>>145630305

I'm sorry. Does that word trigger you because of tryhards, your own stupidity, or both?

>>145601064
Because money.

>>145630238
Except one is finished and the other won't ever get out of hiatus hell long enough to end before Togashi dies.

>>145630080
Doesn't this mean that Lee would had shreked non Edo-Tensei Madara?

>>145630179
Nothing.

>>145630080
Did that accomplish anything at all?

>>145631238
Odds are he just let them do that. The power level gap there is just too obscene.

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>>145631238
What do you think?

>>145599770
cuz its fuckin gay

>>145599990
Ok Anon, since Naruto is probably your first anime, and you are a summerfag. I will humor you.

Naruto and Shitpudding both suffer from extremely bad pacing, poor characters and character development, and a lack of pre planning.

Nardo stole all its greatest concepts from superior anime such as DBZ and Hunter X Hunter.

Naruto is an extremely bad Goku parody. In fact, once you take away his goal of 'I want to be the Hokage' his character is incredibly shallow as that is his only real motivation. He even has multiple little Gay Super Saiyan ripoff transformations

Sasuke is nothing more than a Kurapika ripoff with Majin Vegetas Character arc

Chuunin Exams were a poor mans Hunter Exams.

Last Arc was incredibly bad and drawn out.

The ONLY thing Naruto had going for it was the absolute badass big bad Madara. BUUUT! He gets killed by a plot device known as Kaguya who is incredibly weak for a god.

So, please, someone defend this shit. I spent well over 10 years reading this bullshit for it to end on a shitty note.

One thing I will gove credit for, is Naruto and Sasukes final fight was pretty satisfying, at least for me.

>>145630485
Doesnt change its a ripoff anon. In fact, Naruto became shit when Hunter started to consistently Hiatus lololol fuck you

>>145632674
Did I hit a nerve?

>>145601040
What a ride.

because what they didn't show in the Boruto movie, is that when naruto comes home in the end, he fucking beats Hinata senselessly every day after work

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Why didn't Naruto just slice Akamaru's throat?

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>>145631556
>dat Anko
im still mad what Kishi done to her

>>145599770
The fuck is that blue-green shit?

Looks like kyuubi mode naruto went SSJB

>>145635108
Naruto has never been a murderer.

In fact, throughout the entire series, he only killed one person. Sasuke didn't either until he went full "REVENGE" during the 5KS arc

>>145599770
Because about halfway through the only thing that mattered was that it continued to produce as much content as possible with no resemblance to the original story or artstyle.

>>145636153
i remember one of the first things he did in shippuden was kill a ton of people when he was still with orochimaru so kishimoto could show off how strong he was

this was before he became the protagonist

>>145608215
>Byakugan can easily reach rinnegan levels with Teisengan and then some.

Filler eye, Kishimoto didn't even write it and he has never ever mentioned it again.

>>145636539
He never killed any of those people, in fact he refused to kill anyone except for Itachi.

>>145610953
>>145610953
>Remember when we came back from the timeskip and Naruto had basically learned fucking nothing while Sasuke had become ninja Batman?


Since you faggots clearly never read the manga I'll tell you.

Tsunade explains that Orochimaru experimented on Sasuke, which is why he grew so powerful in such a short time.

Experimenting is LITERALLY WHAT OROCHIMARU DOES.

Stop being retarded.

>>145636153
>In fact, throughout the entire series, he only killed one person.
Who?

Naruto never killed anyone.

>>145636153
>he only killed one person
He was already dead. His son has already killed more people than him, albeit they were aliens.

>>145603641
He looks like Madara now.

>>145599770
Because after the Infinite Filler arc, we got like one or two episodes of actual story progression before entering yet another filler arc.

though admittedly this arc with Indra and Ashura was better than most arcs because we at least got some relevant backstory on less familiar characters

Then we got a filler episode flashback of trying to unmask Kakashi. again

Then we got an episode that was about 70% Obito flashback we've seen a million times and 30% actual story progression.

>>145636879
He killed the guy who was fake Itachi.

>>145637321
He was already dead. They were just bodies containing 20% of their chakra.

>>145637321
Already dead.

Naruto never killed anyone.

>>145637094
Naruto was the one who handed Bort all the power to kill the ayy.

I think he just wanted to keep his kill count in zero

>>145604059
Honestly I thought she would end up with either Iruka or Kakashi.

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>you now realize that Itachi could probably beat Madara exploiting the weaknesses of his techniques with skill and smarts alone.

Itachi is best ninja.

>>145624561
>>145624565
>>145627711
Pitou died.

>>145601040
Best shit ive seen in /a/

>>145599770
Because it's shit
>T. Narutofag since he was 8

>>145638103
>Itachifags
Please kill yourself.

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>>145638103
All Uchiha are shit

Itachi deserved his death

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>>145638273
But Tobirama had an Uchiha husbando too

Unless you're asking why Naruto isn't posted much on /a/. In that case it was because moot said he liked Naruto and someone got quints saying that Naruto was shit (or not allowed anymore on /a/ possibly?) and since then people have raided Naruto threads. But that was 4-5 years ago and it's died down now

people pretend to hate it but its an interesting experience reading these threads

>>145622633
It really fucked up Both the Nardos and the Saskes being broken homes.

I'll keep my headcannon where Naruto was top dad, his family is happy as fuck and Boruto is only a bit yankee-ish, but still a good boy.

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>>145640835
Shipfaggots are pathetic

>>145640913
There's a reason she's called 10/10

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>>145638273

>>145603456
they already did that in Hunter x Hunter and it was way better

>>145608751
>Manga starts off heavy on the theme of 'hard work trumps talent'.

Actually no. That's just Rock Lee's personal philosofy. Why everybody identifies it as the main theme of the manga still baffles me

>>145641073
I didn't mean in that sense.

I meant that the whole fucking manga was about
>muh famiry

And when both of them finally form a family, to be like, THE FAMILY they've always wanted, its
>workaholic ninja jesus
and
>lol bye gotta fight the somethings out there

>>145641352
That philosophy was literally the entire fucking point of Naruto and Sauske being rivals at the start.

>>145608096
a-at least Hunter x Hunter is stil g-good

>>145641408
Nope, the theme of that rivalry/friendship was recognition/respect.

And the early main theme of the manga was the "Protecting your precious ones is what gives you true strenght" that Haku tells Naruto and that finally drives him to his victory in his -arguably- first decisive battle (Gaara)

>>145641534
Naruto vs Neji was literally
>I don't care and don't believe in destiny
>Geniuses don't know shit about effort
>I'll prove that I can do it even though I'm no genius and I'll do it by myself


>It's actually the son of a legend, has the soul of a god and the bloodline of the elite

>>145600369
Black Zetsu, Aka, the whole reason behind the "Uchiha are a cursed clan" idea; cultivated the Sharingan in the users through generation after generation by haunting them like a ghoul. In the case of Madara it got so powerful he couldn't even anticipate its full power anymore.

The Hyuga clan was free from this probably because either, A. They are obvious closer to Senju and thus would sense out the presence of Black Zetsu, or B. Couldn't be corrupted as easily as the Uchiha.

only anime i can enjoy. all that other shit you clowns watch is cringo deluxo.

Are the fillers still going?

>>145643204
I think Obito finally died but they drag the shit out of his death trying to make you feel bad for the guy who literally started a war because of his dead childhood waifu who didn't even like him when he was alive.

>>145644429
It's Rins fault really.

First arcs: "there's no fate, I'm the master of my own destiny, we can do anything we want through effort and hard work"
Last arc: "you're the descendant of two semi gods and everything you did until now was because of fate"

Basically saying all the story was a lie and you read this shit during 10 years for nothing. We don't even need to point out its other problems.

>>145599770
Well a lot of it is just teenage rejection of childish things style shitposting done by underageb&s or people who were teenagers when naruto became popular and never had the insight to realize there's nothing wrong with stupid children's entertainment just because you don't personally have nostalgia for it (dragonball, anyone?)

The only real problem is the same problem a lot of shounen have, power creep meaning fights stop being interesting and tactical and just become paint by numbers, where they just pull out increasingly absurd powers and that's supposed to keep the audience interested.

>>145641666
Did you miss the part where Neji worked harded than everyone else?

Did you miss the part where Rock Lee said he was being cocky and Sasuke was able to get his speed with training and raw talent in much less time?


Also, Naruto never said a thing about working hard, he told Neji to fuck off with his "destiny" shit.


Stop being retarded.

>>145644827
Saying that there's no fate and he's master of his own destiny litteraly means work will get you where you want to go.

>>145617747
>200 years prior
100, actually. The village system is only about as old as Hiruzen.

>>145601040
No seriously i'm dying over here.

>>145644564
It really is. Even now she's still ruining things by trying to get them both killed.

>>145606101
Main antagonist in the Last Movie.

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>>145599770
this happened

>>145599770
They do it because its mainstream. Anything to keep up the contrarian gimmick.

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>>145599770
Good premise but bad character development overall. Main characters typically made irrational choices usually when Sasuke was brought up in the subject (including Sasuke himself). Other characters barely got any time to do anything significant and were typically left on the side lines.


Early battles were pretty solid but got stupider overall due to the power-ups. Furthermore those powerups were usually only designated to the mc and rival which left even more characters on the sidelines.

And god help you if you watched (or still watching) the anime.

>>145649707
>added note:

Overall, it's shit because it was a bit of a disappointment in hindsight.

Because Kishimoto set up several themes in the story that he contradicted as the series went on, rendering the dramatic impact of the earlier arcs wasted.

Because Kishimoto created a world of five great competing ninja villages alongside many smaller ninja villages, but then focused 80% of the story inside one and made their founders the actual descendants of the first ninja.

Because Kishimoto can't draw or write women. I'm not even a SJW or anything, but reading Naruto actually made me feel bad for its female fans. Also, his most attractive girls were actually dudes.

Because Kishimoto has the worst sense of humor of any mangaka.

Because when what all the fans wanted to see all along was high-level ninja fights and covert missions with all the secondary characters he introduced in the second fucking arc, the entire series eventually became solely about Naruto's undying boner for Sasuke. His relationship with one dude became more important than anything else in the series. He was forgiven for attempted murder on multiple people from multiple villages and even banged Sakura in the end. Kishimoto's homolust for Sasuke was so strong, that he managed to survive a point blank city-sized explosion with no chakra left by summoning a giant snake, hypnotizing it, and then hiding inside its mouth before the fucking explosion reached him. Sasuke couldn't die because the entire Narutoverse ACTUALLY revolved around him and Naruto's relationship. The rest of the world could fucking die so long as Naruto got a chance to try and save Sasuke. Even the top four or five antagonists of the series were revealed to all be trying to achieve the same stupid shit of recreating the first ninja, which I can only imagine Kishimoto first envisioned as being Naruto and Sasuke's gay love baby.

That said, I still think the first ~30% of the series is good and I also like how Kishimoto adds inconsequential details to his scenes for the sake of realism. I still feel bad for this entire fanbase.

>>145603841
The answers to those questions are respectively;

Yes
Bloodlines man! I TOLD YOU

>>145604182
He's got a lot of chakra from being an Uzumaki, a ton from the fox, and another ton from being a reincarnated demigod.

>>145600762
>immense autism around the show
Your post is a really good depiction of that autism