Alright /a/.
How do we deconstruct the battle harem genre?
>>145518722
By naming 3 things that aren't jackie chan?
They're actually normal and realistic women.
>>145518986
Gross.
>>145518722
Let mc lose every battle after the first.
You don't.
You reconstruct it by adapting Magika no Kenshi to Shoukan Maou.
The harem starts to die because the MC can't protect them.
>>145518722
The lead is female, the harem members are male, most of the characters are adults who are not part of the harem.
MC is agonizing over the sudden power and responsibility thrusted onto him
The harem members are not friendly with each other at all. They fight, undermine, and take out their frustration on the MC. They also go for other guys at times.
Oh and people actually die, including harem members.
In the end all the harem members are either dead or moved on. MC ends up alone, but he learns from the experience. He learns that relationships aren't handed to him, but rather he must work for them.
>>145519166
Sounds like a shitty cuck fantasy.
>>145518722
>deconstruct the battle harem genre
Why would you do that? Violence and tiddies will never stop being entertaining.
>>145518722
>the battle harem genre
No worries. It's dying now. It will revive in some future when Japanese get bored of isekai genre though.
>>145519247
I've grown out of those, I'm mature now and are looking for stimulating manga to keen my mind.
>>145518722
Stella a shit.
It's actually really easy. You just let the characters develop/fuck, and stop it with the "Uwahh~ i touched his hand, now i can't wear a white wedding dress" nonsense.
>>145518722
With femdom, gyaru sluts, carnivorous aggressive women and NTR
>>145518722
For starters, I would avoid Infinite Stratos-like premise and formula. Make a MC who isn't dense and isn't a goody two-shoes that will never kill.
>>145518722
>the word lol in filenames will trigger autism
What's this about? I haven't been lurking in a while so I'm not caught up with the cool new memes.
>>145518986
normal and realistic women wouldnt be fighting in a battle harem.
>>145519470
You have a trouble spotting irony.
We call your kind autistic.
>>145519166
>They also go for other guys at times.
We cuck now
>>145518722
Easy. Just avoid everything that could resemble IS, Freezing, Kampfer, Rakudai, and Masou HxH in terms of premise, plot, MC, lead heroine, harem, and setting.
>>145519429
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145497461/#145508815
This guy will get triggered if you put the word lol in your filenames.
>>145519470
>>>/v/
>>145519626
would japanese editors allow that though?
>>145518860
>Announcing a report
Reported
>>145519166
I wouldn't watch that even if you pay me.
>>145519254
Isekai battle harem.
I'M STILL MAD
>>145519626
How is Rakudai harem?
The MC has only one love interest, they're actually in a relatonship that is developing.
>>145519906
Its not, Freezing isnt one neither
And Kampfer seems to be yurishit
But retards will be retards
>>145518722
>don't make MC retarded
>make MC a more morally gray (not edgy) character that wants to avoid entaglements because he doesn't consider himself a good person, can use that for filler instead of misunderstandings or stupid drama
>consider if a situation can be resolved by two people resolving a misunderstanding in 5 minutes
>make the girls varied enough that they can be identified by a trait, but develop them so they are not reduced to it
>no childhood friends
>no obvious main girl
>no just one girl in the cover in the first volumes until we get into more personal arcs
>>145518722
make a series where they leave the academy
>>145519957
>Kampfer
The MC is male.
>>145519906
Exactly, they start dating in volume 1, get engaged in volume 3 and fuck in volume 9.
It's not like Zero no Tsukaima where Louise and MC have to say they love each other every few volumes because their relationship doesn't develop and every slut is after the MC.
>>145518722
Just remake School Days with battles.
>>145520036
>Waking up transformed into a beautiful girl
>Genres: Shoujo Ai
Doesnt seem like it
>>145519990
>Demon, Angel and Dragon travelling with you and occasionally getting handsy
>They're only with you because you're like their ex
>>145520088
Pretty good manga if you are a cuck then
>>145520085
Even though he's genderbent he's still male.
>>145518722
My having a harem mcfall for a guyoh wait that's already been done
>>145519957
>>145519906
>>145520042
Wow anons those are some powerful delusions
The MC is actually gay and gives no fucks about the women chasing after him and instead sets his sights on another guy in the class.
>>145520116
>cuck
>>>/v/
>>145519906
Rakudai is the SAO type of harem. MC and main girl hooks up very early, but other girls that form a relationship with the MC comes and goes. For some it's affection of some kind that is enough to make them blush, maybe even imagine hooking up, for others it's admiration, etc.
>>145520168
its yuri if you only see his female version onscreen
And the girls only like him because hes a girl most likely
Its a pretty nice bait and switch by the author
>>145520185
How so?
>>145518722
How about just adding in a MC that isn't a dense fucking retard, has actual interesting goals, and can be a sneaky and strong scheming bastard for a change instead of the reactionary brute fighter.
There's nothing interesting about seeing someone trying to demolish someone's plan with brute force alone, I want a MC who actually does shit beyond being a fucking statue for girls to flock to.
Japan is fucking retarded when it comes to MC, I much prefer how Korea does them.
>>145518722
Make more Anti-Magic.
>>145519906
>This shit again
Listen up you faggots.
Monogatari is NOT a harem. Arararagi walked Hitagi home gently.
Sword Art Online is NOT a harem. Kirito is dating Asuna and had sex with her. TWO YEARS WORTH OF GLOP.
Mahouka is NOT a harem. Onii-sama is asexual, and can only have feelings for Miyuki.
Nisekoi is NOT a harem. Ichijou is in love with Onodera, and as the title suggest, his love for Chitoge is FAKE.
Toradora is NOT a harem. Taiga fucking won.
Yahari is NOT a harem. 8man has been shown to have no romantic interest in any of them, just sexual attraction.
Danmachi is NOT a harem. Bell is clearly shown to only have interest in Ais.
Index is NOT a harem. Touma punches every girl he meets. That's not love.
Log Horizon is NOT a harem. Shirou is not a pedo, and the only other valid contender is Akatsuki.
Cross Ange is NOT a harem. Ange is straight and has no feelings for Hilda. Plus She and Tusk had SEX.
Absolute Duo is NOT a harem. Why do you think it's called Absolute DUO and not Absolute HAREM?
The World God Only Knows is NOT a harem. Keima confessed his love to Chihiro!
Dog Days is NOT a harem. Cinque and Millhiore declared their love for each other. Rebecca has no chance.
OreShura is NOT a harem. Eita is dating Silver. They even kissed in front of everyone.
Love Hina is NOT a harem. Keitaro and Naru got married and they love each other very much.
Saekano is NOT a harem. It's about how to raise _A_ boring girlfriend.
Rakudai is NOT a harem. Ikki proposes to Stella in vol 3!
I repeat: Rakudai is NOT A HAREM.
>>145520273
But he chooses Chitoge in the end anon
>Main boy's role is the shield
>He's firmly friendzoned by all of the girls initially and starts dating a girl outside of his "harem"
>Most of the girls don't fight at all and take other support roles.
>Nonstop infighting and bitching and boyfriend stealing, MC has to cope with all of their drama.
>As loli's inevitably begin to fill up his "harem" he decides to open a preschool with his wife at the end of the series.
>>145520326
Old copy pasta
Needs to be updated
>>145520230
>designated as harem on all database sites
>3+ chicks want the MC's dick
>full of cliche antics seen in every harem
>>145520382
>3+ chicks want the MC's dick
>Stella and imouto
Try again
>>145519990
So Anti-Magic?
>>145520382
>>145520273
I see, so the existence of an actual relationship with the MC and harem is not mutually exclusive. Ok.
>>145519906
rakudai is a harem because almost every girl in the series falls in love with the MC instantly or after a short while.
This is the same series where a teacher fell in love with him at first sight and invited him to fuck within 2 minutes of meeting him.
>>145520273
>Implying that MC choosing a girl means that it's not a harem
>>145520553
I think your sarcasm detector is broken.
>>145520480
MC does form a relationship with the other girls. Difference is for him it's not purely romantic since his only love is the main heroine. But the other girls can have romantic feelings of some level. As long as the possibility (no matter how small the chances against the main heroine) of routes of other girls that's greater than 2 exists then it's harem.
>>145520601
>I see, so the existence of an actual relationship romantic with the MC and harem is not mutually exclusive. Ok.
Fixed
>>145520601
>As long as the possibility (no matter how small the chances against the main heroine) of routes of other girls that's greater than 2 exists then it's harem.
Even if that chance is zero? Because that is pretty much what Rakudai is.
I would instead say that if more than 2 girls like the MC romantically, it's an harem. Actual chances and other relationships do not matter.
>MC isn't the first or super special guy. yes, he got special powers, but thousands of others got those too
>the harem is mostly there to keep the MC entertained despite high mortality rates. they're basically an advance payment on his 72 virgins. although they are useful in combat.
>the girls have a much higher survival rate since they're support, so there will be veterans on the team, older than MC
>the academy treats the whole thing as a human resource and morale mangement problem. onsen episode? that's a planned event, just like everything else. discreetly placed bowl of condoms included.
>MC dies to sustained injuries, in the base hospital, several episodes before the end of show, will soon be replaced by another dude
>the rest actually focuses on the surviving haremettes unwinding and preparing for their next assignment
>only few of them actually miss him
>he actually wasn't that generic. we just never learned much about him because he wasn't the focus.
>family and friends that were only shown for a few scenes will attend his funeral and tell a few stories to fill in details.hire wakamoto to give a speech like in muvluv. only for one of the girls to comment how they have heard that a dozen times before
>the mid-boss which fatally wounded MC will actually be killed offscreen by another team. no revenge or anything
The girls turn lesbian on themselves instead of waiting for the MC to stop being a black hole.
>>145519447
Yes they will.
Remember that 'only top 20% guys get all the girls' mra r9k shit?
Its actually true and I've seen it happen loads of time.
>that girls are actually attracted to the MC for realistic reasons such as looks, social status and masculinity rather than "he's so nice"
>>145519184
>>145520729
reverse NTR:
MC has a girlfriend. But she is not useful for combat and will never be and she knows it. She is not even allowed on academy grounds outside of weekends.
Their relationship deteriorates quickly under those conditions, affecting his morale.
This makes the harem members make their moves on him with even more effort.
>>145519990
>MC has a super special hidden power and instantly gets a harem without needing to buid a relationship with any of the girls
DROPPED
>>145520869
>They're only with him because he looks like their ex
>>145520724
So you want a show with a protagonist who accomplishes nothing and is surrounded by strangers who pretend to be not strangers?
>>145520085
shoujo ai is not a genre, theres just a thing dumb otaku made up for "yuri without sex"
Also its not yuri when the MC is scared shitless of girls even in his female body.
MC doesnt give a fuck and during fights instead of trying to disarm someone who is trying to kill him he just goes all out and ends up killing someone.
>>145520728
Back to your New game threads
>>145520916
He accomplishes nothing in the same sense that an individual soldier in a war doesn't win the war by himself.
>>145518722
You don't. Harem is cancer.
>>145520237
There is a show that does this, just depends on if your autism allows you to consider rpg world stuff battle harem.
>>145520930
>Also its not yuri when the MC is scared shitless of girls
That means that only a couple of harems series exist
Because almost every MC is scared of girls
MC being a girl and surrounded by other girls who are lusting for her makes it yurishit
>>145520707
Less than 1% but not zero is still a chance. It's extremely improbable.
>more than 2 girls like the MC romantically, it's an harem. Actual chances and other relationships do not matter.
Chances was to put things into perspective. It should be more than 2 girls liking the MC. The "liking" can progress to romance, so relationships does matter.
>>145520431
In the manga alone, stella, imouto, dojo girl and loli teacher want his dick.
And the manga hasnt gotten to the part where the student council president falls in love with him yet.
>>145520729
>cuck
Fuck off back to /v/ and stay there.
>>145521027
>>145521031
Yeah because we were talking about the manga
>>145521087
>interpolation garbage
Fuck off.
>>145520755
Most girls would be expecting the guy to protect them, not fighting by his side.
>>145520983
>>145520724
I like it.
Maybe also do something about the different typs of girls? Like nearly every harem got:
>friends when we were kids
>smart/big breasted/shy
>loli
>energetic/tomboy
>>145520912
he has already been revealed to be a super special hidden power, he is going to turn out to be the reincarnation of their ex.
100% guaranteed.
If the story has them resurrect their ex and then dump the MC though, that would be hilarious. But no japanese editor would allow it because otaku would rage.
>>145521146
to be fair, the non-interpolated version already suffers from inconsistencies like the expanding hat or the perplexingly pivoting pelvis
>>145518722
Shieldbro is somehow like this. The MC is the only one without a proper harem.
>Almost a year later and Rakudaifags still delude themselves about Rakudai being harem
Is there a worse fanbase that does this?
>>145521028
no you dont get it. The only romantic relationship possible in kampfer is with the male natsuru. None of the main girls want female natsuru except for the villain who has zero chance of winning.
Random girls want female natsuru, but we dont even get to learn their names so they have no chance.
Its a normal harem, not a yuri harem, because the only possible outcome is with male natsuru.
>>145521376
>Random girls want female natsuru, but we dont even get to learn their names so they have no chance.
Doesnt matter if they have no chance, this makes it a yuri harem because they want her
I
>>145521100
When did you fall under the impression that we weren't talking about the manga?
You don't.
>>145521524
Because you are the only person here who read it
>>145518722
Since this is usually at schools, treat the setting like if they are child soldiers, Harem members are from different divisions, the rivalary goes beyond only fighting for MC, they even attacks each other in battle, MC is either the ace that gets frustrate when his harem doesnt cooperate and cause trouble and actually calls them on it, or is useless and his lack of skill actually gets harem members death, more than once.
>>145521333
What? The shield bro has Firo and the princess in love with him already.
>>145520227
>its yuri if you only see his female version onscreen
Then it's not yuri.
>>145518722
We don't, it's doing its job of keeping normalfags away perfectly fine.
>>145519859
Isekai moe battle harem.
>>145518722
The main protagonist is actually one of the harem members. She notices how clueless, selfish, or one dimensional the other members are and realizes that is why the guy doesn't make a move.
>>145521550
When did you fall under the impression that I was the only person who read it?
>>145520227
Literally everything you've written about it there is wrong. He's a dude half the time. Most of the girls are only attracted to his male version, and due to those previous statements it's not a bait and switch at all. In fact the 'yuri' character is literally the villain.
>>145521333
Tanuki, bird, princess, tiger imouto, fishlady, molegirl, dog tomboy and that's just what I remember off the top of my head.
>>145521635
You are the only person talking about the manga
>>145521594
They are?
Anyway I said proper harem. The girls do like him but this isn't the focus. Also he's not a "kind" guy and not a gary stu. 3x1 for shieldbro.
>>145521626
>mc is transported to another world
>enrolls at a school that teaches combat
>instantly gets a harem
>tournament fights
>battle harem isekai
Oh my god why hasnt this been done yet.
It also needs a DFC tsundere voiced by Kugimiya Rie and a vampire loli voiced by whatever her name is.
MC is voiced by wakamoto.
>>145521333
This series was actually decent before the bird showed up.
>>145521671
Yeah but im guessing they only do ecchi scenes with his female version, and the male version sometimes pops up for shitty comedic reasons
>>145520273
Anon that something doesnt have a harem end doenst mean Is not a harem serie.
>>145518722
>best girl in the harem is the MC
>>145520273
>implying punching sluts in the face isint true love
>>145521754
>not a gary stu
He's already more powerful than the other heroes combined, a black smith started helping him out of the blue, a princess appeared out of nowhere to help him, and now it turns out that the queen has been helping him from behind the scenes for like the entire manga.
Guys like Kirito and Tatsuya will get any girl in real life too.
>>145521784
>guessing
So you admit to never actually watching it?
>>145521760
At least make it interesting.
>MC is fucking trash
>has to train like 10 hours a day and puke his guts out every night just to barely pass the entrance exam
>>145521938
>effeminate "nice guys" like kirito would attract lot of girls
Uh, no.
>>145521949
I looked at the cast and only saw female main characters and a shoujo ai tag
I have no reason to watch it and lots of reasons to stay away from it
>>145521996
Otaku wouldn't like a battle harem where the MC has to work hard
>>145522104
Good, I don't want otaku losers voting for this series with their wallets.
>>145518722
going edge route for desconstruction
>MC is the commander or leader of the group
> His harem fall in love when he shows that he isnt a cold bastard as many suspect
>Actually sleep with his harem just to release stress
>Some of them die
>MC doesnt care much
>Force them to go in more dangerous missions, some are used just a bait
>ends with the one that he prefer the most in bed or the only survivor.
>>145522131
>Good, I don't want anime.
>>145522092
to love ru also a gender bender tag even though the MC was only turned into a girl for a few chapters.
Protip : tags on mangafox are not accurate.
>>145518722
Give the MC a brain and make him fuck one or more of the girls.
>>145522170
If it fails, so be it. I don't want sales to dictate the story.
>>145522203
TLR has the male MC listed as a main character, this show does not list him at all
That only tells you a lot what kind of series it is
Make every girl in the harem a yandere.
>>145518722
1- the guy should be important in his world (like a noble).
2- he's not "kind" but serious instead.
3- he have a real harem where the girls are all his wives and he fuck them.
4- he wins his battles with proper strategy instead of bullshit powers.
Done. Actually, there's already one LN like this but I don't remember the name.
>>145522227
I'm not talking about this one hypothetical story. The entire industry is dictated by otakubucks and fujosales. If you don't want production companies to fund shows based on their appeal to the nerdiest one percent of Japanese children and teenagers, you don't want anime. Period.
>>145522206
>him fuck one or more of the girls.
School days showed that is not a good idea.
>>145522517
Why dedicate this much effort to such a worthless cause? The world would be better off if you were dead, rather than OP.
>Set in a ruthless and decadent dictatorship in which all magic users must be members of the party
>MC is the son of a high-ranking party official
and has inherited his powers
>The girls lust after him because his father can pull some strings,the MC doesn't mind because he is a pervert and wants to get laid
>Ojou-san wants him to help her become an actress
>Kuudere wants him to pull some strings and land a calm desk job in the country
>Tsundere wants to use his connections to flee the country
>Childhood friend is ready to do anything to get him to release her brother,imprisoned for antigovernmental activities and disrespecting the supreme leader
>The school is a military academy in which the students learn how to use magic ad how to make sick gun-katas
>They fight against rebel scum and lovecraftian monsters created by the rebels according to the Supreme leader.
>Halfway through the show it is revealed that there is a traitor to the state in their school
>It is their homeroom history teacher who found out that the monsters weren't created by the rebels but by fantasy Kim Jong-Un
>He made a contract with elder gods to gain infinite power but didn't fully complied and they are sending monsters to collect his debt.
>After fighting him the MC loses faith in the regime and joins the rebels
>Kuudere gets a job as police chief of a small town in fantasy Siberia
>Ojou-san gets to star in propaganda films
>Tsundere flees the country thanks to the MC and never comes back
>Childhood friend is rewarded for her bravery and her brother is released from jail
>Timeskip 5 years later
>Childhood friend is now in the fantasy KGB and is sent on an important mission to find magical nukes to kill the elder gods
>Kuudere is trying her best to save her village from shoggoths
>Ojou-san slowly becomes yandere for the supreme leader
>MC is disappointed by with the state of the rebel forces and makes a contract with the elder gods to gain more power.
>Cont in next post
>>145522537
but anime that arent targeted at otaku sell well, like one piece, bleach and naruto. And anime movies targeted at normalfags sell well too, like miyazaki films.
>>145522594
watch out, he's going to accuse you of samefagging!
>>145522537
Then why bother commenting if all we're talking about are hypothetical stories? There's no point in talking about what we want if we have to take into account the constraints of the current industry.
>>145520724
>>145521251
ok, let's see.
As I said, some of the girls are veterans, so most of them are actually older than MC.
>the loli
Is actually just a petite woman who role-plays as loli to cater to the guys who like them younger. Her default assumption is that all of them are, of course. After a while they get to know each other enough that she drops the act because he doesn't actually like little girls. From there on she's actually fairly bro-tier. On the base she works as assistant mechanic because she's small and fits into all kinds of crawl spaces. she's not particularly good at it or enthusiastic about it. she's just useful and it gives her something to do. fake tomboy.
>friends when we were kids
She's on a different team. they don't care much about each other since they haven't seen each other since primary school. Only shows up for one episode.
>smart/big breasted/shy
The shy actually works. Little contact with MC. She is one of the few girls who actually dies in combat. Book smart is not battle smart. Nobody has much to say about her.
>haughty ojou-sama/class prez type
she's fairly new but got outstanding skills that make her almost as good as the guys. she's not actually rich or anything. she just gets away with being a bitch to everyone because they let it slide as long as she pulls so much weight in combat. during brief moments when nobody of the cast notices the mask actually slips and we see she is a PTSD wreck on the brink of flipping from extremely useful to liability. Fighting is pretty much the only thing she knows to do, but at at the same time she doesn't want to act like a soldier.
Pops psychiatric drugs like candy when MC dies.
>the veteran
Nothing much unusual here. She dispenses useful advise, officially second in command but de facto leader for the whole team including MC, has scars to show for her years, smokes. She's the first to actually lay MC. Also got experience in bed and romance.
Will be fairly blasé about it when MC dies.
>>145522203
the gender bender in tlr is not the mc.
>>145522133
2edgy4me but would watch if done right.
>>145519859
Hagure Yuusha, is that you?
>>145522594
At least he's not as pathetic as Barneyfag.
Just do haganai, but turn Kodaka unstupid and make him knock every girl up besedes his sister because that's immoral.
>>145522682
The OP asked how you would deconstruct the battle harem genre. If you're talking about how to break the conventions of a certain genre, you have to take into account the system to which it belongs.
>>145518722
>MC is forced to join the fight
>He really doenst care for being the greates fighter
>Resent his harem for forcing him to fight/train/get-good-grades when he wants to leave.
>Actually ends with a girl that support his dream of no fighting and do X other thing.
>Hate Stella so much.
>Get a boner from this image every time.
Only way to fix battle harems is removing the school setting first of all.
>>145522891
So if making it a deconstruction turns off customers, it's no longer a deconstruction?
>>145520042
>6 fucking volumes to finally fuck after getting engaged
Jesus Christ nips
>>145522609
Continued from last post
>MC travels to Kuudere's town to find a powerful artifact he lies to her and says he's there to help
>She eventually founds out his true motives and tries to stop him
>She fails and dies but she's wounded the MC giving him a badass scar across the torso
>He travels back to the capital to topple the regime
>Childhood friend in the meantime has found the nukes
>Ojou-san tries to stop him and is beating him pretty badly until he summons a fuckload of shoggoths and she is eaten alive.
>MC is about to kill the Supreme leader who is cowering behind his desk when Childhood friend shows up
>She fights with the MC for a bit and it's pretty even
>Disgusted by the Supreme leader's cowardice and by the MC's monstrosities she detonates all the nukes and destroys everything including the elder gods
>Humanity can now restart from scratch,freed of tyranny and of the elder gods until someone finds the ruins of the capital and finds the elder gods's dead bodies
>The end
>>145523033
>teenagers with special powers
>inexperienced
>need a base of operations and training at the same time
It actually makes sense though.
>>145523033
>elminating school setting
>the only time in nips life they feel free.
Not going to happen.
>>145523165
but anon overlord doesnt have a school setting and is popular.
>>145523154
>all training seem to be directed and fighting
>other way to apply that power are rarely mentioned
Nips love child soldiers.
>>145518722
>24 ep at least
>Make MC a trap
>Make every girls either a reverse trap, a tomboy or a boy-turn-into-girl.
>Make battles full chuu2 and a main focus.
>End with MC fucks everyone and happily ever after with pregnant or children.
>>145523033
>>Only way to fix battle harems is removing the school setting first of all.
So Anti-Magic?
>>145523276
Also make every dates into a parody of otome type with the MC acts like a girl then plays it straight with cliches like your typical one
>>145523241
They still get a better deal than magical girls who have to fight in their free time and often without organizational support.
Lose the school setting around half the way in to focus on bigger better things.
>>145523204
I am not saying everthing has a school setting, but there is a reaso is so popular on anime and manga.
Only the nips will make a school to teach kid and teenager how to fight using superpowered amor/suits, mechas, using spirits, demons and gods, and for even shaddy specialized jobs. thay type of things are usually military or the like training camps.
>>145523359
what's the difference between a magical academy and a military boarding school with attached training camp?
>>145523325
> without organizational support.
I really doubt this, aside from the ones that deals with mechas or mecha musume (big piece of technology that requieres resource go mantain), the most magical ones rarely shows support for the main cast, and only servers to show they still retain some normality in their lives, and if the school have directe relationship with goverment or any armed organization, rarely this will be in benefit of the MC and his harem.
>>145523349
Like I said before, Anti-Magic is the best example for this kind of stuff.
>>145523416
a magical academy should have a more wide range of subjects to teach on how to use their powers, fighting should be relagated to martial arts with magic on them, or have a full sport that doesnt require full combat but uses magic and be more relaxed about some how students live.
>>145518722
Trick question. We don't deconstruct it.
We just turn it into an absurd comedy that takes the piss out of itself.
>>145523590
The military offers paths of higher education too. And you have to keep in mind that protags are still teenagers so it's not like you can drill them with combat skills all the time. Otherwise will have a serious problem on your hand if you raise a bunch of superpowered soldiers and the war is over. Gotta give them some life skills and some perspective too.
>>145521996
>what is bnha
>>145523154
When you put it like that yeah it does but FUCK its the same shit every time.
School setting
MC somehow faces the strongest girl in episode 1-2.
Joins up with her and some other girls.
Fight the baddies.
>>145523316
Anti Magic had a school setting kinda but I enjoyed that one, I enjoyed Stella's battle harem too.
Actually I think the only thing that matters is the MC.
He needs to be likable and a mix of beta/alpha without being too overpowered.
>>145523677
>Otherwise will have a serious problem on your hand if you raise a bunch of superpowered soldiers and the war is over. Gotta give them some life skills and some perspective too.
Well seeing how japan raise a whole generations after WW2 and after, with the sole focus of working their ass off, ignoring stuff like having babies and how to deal with their own social problems, I doubt they grasp the concept of teaching people others stuff aside from their main goal.
>>145523923
>>Anti Magic had a school setting kinda but I enjoyed that one,
The thing is that Anti-Magic just drops the school and becomes a series about a war against Witches that runs several volumes. Really the LNs are really good and kinda just drop a lot of those school cliches as it goes along.
>>145523696
I wouldn't mind if they took this path, though he has to be at least high school age.
>>145523997
They also have the good graces of having some adult characters that work in the field during and after the school segments. That kind of shit goes a long way in world building.
>>145521333
>>145521594
>>145521754
>>145521719
He pretty much Dadzones them all untilatlas dies
>>145521916
You're correct in most of those accounts. Though if you can, please read the LNs, most of the points are addressed and corrected in one way or another.
>>145524123
Oniisama is the best, just the best.
>>145523923
>mix of beta/alpha without being too overpowered.
For me to achive is this makind a balance withing his figthing skill and how he handle the relationship with his harem
>fighting
He should be avarage, probably a clever fighter that wins mostly by tricking and outsmarting his opponent, problem is when he actually fights someone skilled enough to avoid all his traps and even outsmart him in a relative constant fashion. He should slowly better himself, drop strategies that doesnt work anymore or adapt them constantly to his fighting style
>Harem
Make him confortable be being surrended by girls, doesnt freak out on small things like seeing their panties (even enjoy the eye candy in silence) but get nervous at ideas like kissing, but no because the kissing itself and more because that means taking the relationship futher, thing that he could be agaisnt for X or Y reason, he actually spends time each member of the harem on his own and each one have a real posibility of winning (if not going for harem end)
>>145519768
>Announcing a report
Reported
>>145518722
That's not a good anime to use as an example of battle harem.
MC only had 1 love interest and they ended up getting together instead of having a cliche-shitty harem ending where nothing changes.
>>145518915
>Spain
>Butterfly Stroke
>Drunken Master Two-
Dammit!
>>145518722
The girls actually do all the heavy lifting. The guy is only needed to stand there and take a beating while they do their lengthy powerups.
The only thing that makes him special is that he manages to cling to his life really well.
He gets a ton of internal injuries every fight and is only held together by blood magic.
>MC is abusive
>Only one girl realizes it at first but soon others follow
>Actual psychological trauma from the fights
>Show that MC only gets his harem because he is literally Lucifer the king of deceivers
>In the end main girls realize that they were destined to love him and accept their fate
>>145518722
It's actually a muslim harem.
>The tsundere gets beaten the shit out of, until she drops her tsu
>childhood friends just means she is the first part of the harem without special status
>that one male friend is an eunuch
>they fight on camels with scimitars
>>145523204
and its just as shit
>>145524726
and then british merchants arrive and kill his scimitar-wielding girls with cannons and muskets
>>145518722
No battle harem but what about
>MC is a incubus
>MC has sufferend from sexual harassment since he was a child
>From fellow classmates and even teachers
>even from some other men too
>Is afraid of people
>His mother is a succubus herself
>still desiring for him to have a normal life send him to school
>Harem is attracted by his own nature
>He wants nothing to do about
>He only get close to the only girl that doesnt harass him in anyway
>girl is in reality affected by his power but doesnt act on it because she is too shy.
>end developing real feeling for him
>school battle harem then
>>145519768
>>145524435
This. How is Rakudai a battle harem? There is clearly only one love interest and their relation is established and accepted.
>>145524726
>muslim harem
No.
>>145525232
>many people in love with the MC is not a harem
>>145521815
It's great.
>>145525441
How can this count when the MC can't romance his drag persona.
>>145525304
>One person having a clear relationship and ultimately getting fucking engaged to the mc early on in the story
>harem
I would actually like a story where the population of men in the world is like 1/10 to 1/20 of the population of women. And at least you have a legitimate reason for a harem.
>women are desperate sluts trying to find a man. >Most men are misogynistic.(with good reason)
>>145525515
having a main girl does not mean that you can't also have a harem
>>145525527
Ooku is kind of like that.
>>145525527
End world Harem is doing that to the extreme, and MC is retarded as fuck, putting humanity only change of survival in danger.
>>145525705
That is just retarded
It's not like the girl was even dating him in the first place.
>>145518722
Literally deconstruct the studios, ie bomb all studios currently producing them.
>>145526208
Studios don't make battle harems you halfwit.
>>145518722
>MC gets his ass handed to him by the flame-princess in the first fight.
>Bonus points for the whole "If I win, You'll be my slave!" bet.
> When flame-princess gets kidnapped and he comes to rescue her, he gets his ass handed to him again because of injuries.
> He makes a promise to save her or whatever. He's seen as a suspect because he's knocked out and his alibi all but disbelieved due to being a generic outcast.
> School sends a spy to keep an eye on him.
> He doesn't know that she's only close to him as an act.
> Childhood friend checks in, immediately jealous of her.
> MC has to break up a violent fight and gets injured badly.
> MC's penchant for getting hurt doesn't help when people start dying.
> He's constantly Getting shut down by obvious red tape made to discriminate against him, affecting his morale.
> One of the conspirators to whatever nebulous plot is going on meets MC while recovering.
> Tries to seduce him, actually works.
> He doesn't know.
> Jealousy kicks off with the guys and they go out and job MC; proceed to get jobbed harder by CH-F.
> MC starts training.
> Tournament arc where MC goes from worst to average in short amount of time.
> Princess is still on his mind because of bullying.
> Announcers actually mention it as he enters the arena and he's greeted by boos.
>>145526158
There is so much shit going there, the worst is that he promised at first that if after a month they didnt find something about his girl, he was going to cooporate, and then he refuses and now he is going to try to find a cure? specially when super AI and other female doctors havent in 5 years. Dropped right there.
>>145526275
> Tournament stopped due to evil plot kicking off; A bomb killing most of the royals in the stands.
> Full on invasion, fights happening everywhere, chaos, rioting, rest of royals killed by assassins.
> MC is arrested, CH-F snaps, catches assassin.
> CH-F realises that she was a part of MCs harem, and a guy.
> Kills Conspirator in fight ending in brutal torture, finds spy, has a conversation and kills spy painfully under the assumption she was also a bad guy.
> She kills a random other member of the harem (Probably some random girl saved in a side-story) total gorefest style.
> Turns out Princess was the main conspirator. Turns out that "I'll be your slave" thing was a magic pact, and she was making MC kill targets under hypnosis.
> MC sleeper agent activated, CH-F catches wind of this in the chaos, follows MC kun to "Make sure no other treacherous bitch gets in his way".
> Finds out what's actually going on, gets captured in coup base.
> Princess gloats that now that her whole family is dead, she's the new queen.
> Queen proceeds to rape and torture MC-kun while Childhood Friend screams and cries.
> Turns out the pact is losing hold due to wording requiring her to be a princess.
> One year after the coup, MC recovers, still pretends to by hypnotized until he figures out a plan.
> Breaks out, makes it to the dungeon, CH-F is absolutely broken and insane.
> Lets her out anyway, she massacres the fuck out of everybody.
> Makes it to the queen's chambers after killing most members of coup in palace.
> Last fight. MC and CH-F vs Queen. Queen loses. MC and CH-F are out of mana, dying from wounds.
> They die in each other's arms, happy for the first time.
>>145526282
>female doctors
Found the problem.
>>145519166
This is pretty much how it would end up in real life.
The main solution to most harem is a good MC. The first step in that direction is to have the MC work hard to earn his harem through blood, sweat, tears, and effort. This process has a relatively considerable time relative to how much time the MC and the girl are together for. No fall in love after meeting him once or two crap.
>>145520273
>absolute HAREM
Gets me every time.
>>145518722
By giving me Sekirei season 3.
>>145521336
Well to be fair Sara Bloodlily and Kanata are way fucking hotter than Stella, so it's kind of easy to see why we want Rakudai to be harem
>>145521273
>he has already been revealed to be a super special hidden power
Summoning is rare, but it's a known art. Spirits are influenced by their affinity with the environment and items can only be summoned for a limited time, based on their affinity with the summoner
>he is going to turn out to be the reincarnation of their ex. 100% guaranteed.
Volume 1 of the web novel is called "Reincarnated Hero"
>If the story has them resurrect their ex and then dump the MC though, that would be hilarious. But no japanese editor would allow it because otaku would rage.
the hero's been dead for centuries. I doubt such convenient resurrection magic exists. At least the MC is decent swordsman at the moment; not a pushover but not a Gary Stu either.
>>145528190
>Volume 1 of the web novel
It has a web novel?
>>145527824
>wanting to watch sekirei
>>145518722
>Take away the battle part, this is now a comfy anime with tiddy shenanigans
>12 episodes
>Show all the girls nude in the first episode to get the attention of the people
>Develop the relationship of the characters in the next 10 episodes (including things like bust size contest, Kyon.jpg, etc)
>In the last episode our MC (who never was too much of a beta) decides the time has come
>After the first season there's a few H OVAs where MC fucks all of the girls in some random scenes
>then there would be a season 2 that happens at the same time as the OVAs and the girls try to demonstrate they're best girl. This leads to some super interesting situations and give sense to the random scenes from the OVA
>>145528889
>The anime industry doesn't produce enough garbage, please give me more
>>145529053
>He doesn't want the girls being lewd and getting dicked
>>145525540
The only other person you could consider to be part of his "harem" is his sister. She's the only one who shows consistent interest. Other girls are just there in their arc and that's it.
>>145520869
>>145520912
>>145521273
>>145528190
The first boss fight was pretty sick though. He pulls through only because she was holding back against him.
MC is actually a super hard worker. He trains until he faints. For all the effort he puts in, his sword skills are only about average, which is expected.
Stop calling shit "Deconstruction".
Evangelion is not a deconstruction either.
Fuck you.
>>145520273
>he thinks harem is about love
>>145528401
yes but the lack of updates is what kills ithttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sekai_no_Owari_no_Encore
>>145529498
I honestly hope he stays average for the most part.
>>145529813
The manga scanlation is consistent, but unfortunately it's monthly.
I like the author's works though. They come off as generic fantasies but I really like his main protagonists.
>>145530056
Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden is by far her most interesting work but holy shit the TLs have stopped dead mid volume 7.
>>145518722
Well first off, make it a proper harem.
Women shouldn't be fighting. It's Haram™.
They should be taking care of the household and the children. Talking to the husband MC is permissible I suppose.
Second, men shouldn't be faggots. It's Haram™.
So sex should be happening. But only after they get married. Otherwise it's Haram™.
Women are allowed to be lewd. But not in front of other men. Only within the harem.
>>145519166
>mfw this is the only proper example of a deconstruction in the entire thread.
it's like you idiots don't know the meaning of the the word.
>>145519166
>>145530367
It's a dumb idea that would flop.
>>145530179
In light of all the shitty meta isekai and battle harem crap we've been getting recently, Sazane's work would be a nice refresher. Just a normal protagonist of his world who works hard to attain what he wants.
And by "normal" I don't refer to any sort of power, but rather their behavior. They aren't written as losers, otaku, or hyper aggressive "alpha" males.
>>145518722
Why is there a hook uner her crotch?
Violence and rape.
>>145530346
I think you missed the point of a battle harem, all you described was a generic harem hentai manga scenario.
>>145531016
>replying to a shitpost
I have become retard, the destroyer of /a/
>>145530367
The term "deconstruction" has no real meaning outside academia, so technically there is no correct usage of it since even the "correct" version is just a bastardization of critical theory used by laymen to describe fiction plots.
>>145531078
Why is it a shitpost? I was serious.
Otoyomegatari styled harem would automatically be superiour to anything else in the genre.
>>145518986
So it's basically about a bunch of girls posting on Instagram, clubbing and fucking Chads?
>>145520553
>>Implying that MC choosing a girl means that it's not a harem
That's actually part of the problem I think.
Most harems end up just being a normal albeit SLOW romance between MC and main girl with the other girls just occasionally showing up to cock block
How many harem anime actually give the impression that the other girls have so much as a chance? very few.
>>145531192
I thought it meant taking commonly used ideas to their logical conclusions, assuming all the characters and their society act like real people.
>>145531312
Love Hina.
>>145531312
But then how would you make it so that they all have a chance without their relationships feeling shallow? Most shows go about this by having a single character arc per member where their main problem is solved by the MC, and then they just tag along afterwards.
>>145531512
okay that's one.
>>145531661
>But then how would you make it so that they all have a chance without their relationships feeling shallow?
Most of the time the relationships already feel shallow and is just a result of a single action or basic kindness over developing actual chemistry.
>>145518722
If you take "deconstruction" to mean "explore tropes from a realistic angle"-- there are a couple ways to do this.
In one case, MC is a prince and either completely unskilled or relatively unskilled in combat. His harem is his personal guard. Instead of a wide variety of personalities, the guards are all generally professionally minded, stoic and serious types. The odd one out that actually shows romantic interest in him is just trying to marry into the royal family for personal gain; she doesn't actually care for him. Prince suffers from anxiety due to constant assassination attempts and is traumatized when his guards are actually killed. Ultimately, he's powerless both in terms of combat ability as well as political influence, as his mother the queen is the only one with authority and only intends to give him power when he assumes the throne upon her death. Civil war breaks out as the commoners revolt due to famine, illness, socioeconomic inequality, etc. Queen responds with violent suppression despite prince's protests for a more peaceful resolution. Eventually, he snaps, ends up killing the queen and surrendering to revolutionary forces. He ends up being a lone farmer, wanting nothing to do with politics.
On the other hand, if the MC is intended to be a competent fighter, the simplest deconstruction would be to have only a single romantic interest. The rest are simply fellow soldiers, who perhaps have their own lovers. Of course, all of the personality tropes have to be given proper justification through character development and not simply be a token representative of the archetype.
>>145531312
>Most harems end up just being a normal albeit SLOW romance between MC and main girl with the other girls just occasionally showing up to cock block
Just marry and bang em all, have lots of descendants and a comfy family. If you are going to make a harem why not go all out like pic related for example?
If it's not an actual, true harem whats the point of that genre in the first place? Just do a love triangle or some shit if you don't have the balls to go all the way.
>>145531829
>Most of the time the relationships already feel shallow and is just a result of a single action or basic kindness
Doesn't this only happen to people who have lost hope? This shouldn't really happen to those who are doing relatively well since they know that an act of kindness can come from anyone and isn't always reserved for just one person.
Alpha males who show interest in conquering the females of the haram and actual sex.
>>145519166
>tfw this is how it works IRL
Feels like an alka-seltzer movie going full edge. At the very best it would be School Days brand fascinating for the last episode and at the very worst a mass dropping at the first or second episode like Chaos Dragon, Isuca, Lances n Masques, etc.
>>145532238
It shouldn't happen to anyone because even people who are bad off should be able to grow to a point where they see the emotional codependency as unhealthy. You don't get someone to stand on their feet only to have them lean on someone else even if that person isn't going to take advantage of them.
>>145532144
I realize that OP may have posted his pic on a whim, but Rakudai is actually a really good example.
>On the other hand, if the MC is intended to be a competent fighter, the simplest deconstruction would be to have only a single romantic interest.
Which is exactly what happens in Rakudai. The other harem members treat him with respect and don't get in the way even if they do have romantic feelings.
>Of course, all of the personality tropes have to be given proper justification through character development and not simply be a token representative of the archetype.
The token little sister who unconditionally loves her big brother developed her feelings after seeing their own family beat the crap out of him and try to erase him from existence.
The clumsy senpai is clumsy because she's trying to mimic her father's sword style, which doesn't work for her body type. She's so devoted to revenge that she tries to take advantage of MC's kindness in order to win her battle. Yep, she actually wants to solve her problems herself instead of relying on MC. At the end of her arc she doesn't develop any romantic feelings whatsoever.
>>145519273
If you want to look for something you will never find, couldn't you pick a unicorn like a sane man?
Though I guess a unicorn might not be hard to find if it's you looking.
have the harem elements be secondary to the plot elements.
That's all you need to do to fix things. Yeah you can have a ton of chicks be wet for the hero but have a plot that doesn't revolve around that. Have shit actually happen with the characters
and no I don't mean something like
>The hero can bring out the girls Doki doki power to fight the alien invaders
>>145532901
That was never a harem.
Even in the game there is no harem route.
A good harem is one where the girls have little to no bearing on the story and are at best secondary to the plot.
>>145533009
There's more than 3 chicks who want his dick that are central characters
it's as harem as it gets
>>145532666
This example becomes even more obvious when you compare it to Asterisk, the poster child of generic battle harem academy LNs, which was airing at the exact same time as Rakudai. Everyone was trashing these two shows for being similar until the moment Ikki confesses. It was that moment (along with the fight just beforehand) that showed the viewers that battle academy shows can have proper character development, while at the same time showing viewers that if you do write real characters, harems are pretty much impossible to form as a result.
What did deconstruction actually mean before it got hijacked to mean "cliché premise with a dark twist"?
>>145533352
Bakemonogatari.
MC is like that blind guy from Shigurui.
>>145533055
well no see, that's the opposite problem. the girls need to be important to the overall narrative beyond wanting MC dick
Every time some retard on /a/ posts their anime idea I realize the stuff we're actually getting now isn't that bad.
>>145533352
Common tropes applied to real people. The "dark twist" is a result of using troubled and/or school student protagonists, because if you give actual angsty teenagers real power they will definitely fuck everything up.
>>145518722
Kill all females.
The ones that aren't killed by the fights gets ugly and lose body parts (without sexy replacements).
They get older and uglier.
>>145518722
The girls and mc should have completely separate goals. When it comes down to it, the girls need to have a character that doesn't rely on the mc's, and the mc needs to be able to stand on his own as a character.
The mc needs to be the character that everyone agrees is the most interesting character. People shouldn't be watching the battle harem for just the girls, but rather for the plight of the main character.
Since we're going with a battle harem, I guess the mc should constantly be clashing with those in his harem, especially on ideals and never truly coming to a peace with each. There might be love, but in the end, ideals and goals are more important than love.
>>145525108
Would he have powers of his own volition or is it literally just attraction?
I think it would be interesting if he had a pet tentacle monster that was ridiculously shy and withdrawn.
>>145533836
That sounds more like a battle show than a battle harem
>>145533143
There's more than enough men with extra wives and mistresses out there so the problem has nothing to do with realism.
It has a lot to do with japs insisting on making homosexual MCs in a harem setting.
The eunuchs are not the ones doing the fucking Japan. Read the history books properly for fucks sake.
>>145534000
It isn't just the MC, it's the entire setting. If all you do is write modern society with a twist of fantasy (which is what most battle harem academies are), you're never going to get a harem. If you did put some badass royal alpha motherfucker in the equation, his "harem" is gonna collapse because modern women don't share.
>>145518722
>MC has a harem of twenty which doubles every episode.
>For every new harem member to join 2 are killed off.
>In episode 3 the MC is shitting his pants, meanwhile a conference of hack authors are deciding how they can get back the fanbase.
>Episode for introduces 100 new harem members and redirects the girl killing curse to innocent girls not in the harem.
>Episode 5 the harem doubles but for some reason a murderer ghost has started to dispose of harem members.
>Episode 6 every woman in the world experiences a gruesome death.
>Episodes 7 to twenty for show the extent of the damage.
Stella a qt and did nothing wrong.
just sayin
>>145533568
No they don't. Girls are garbage.
If you want a girl important to the plot get a Hideyoshi up in there.
>>145520222
>>145521031
Except that's wrong. Beside imouto no girls hold romantic feelings towards mc and they won't appear relevant.
>In the manga alone, stella, imouto, dojo girl and loli teacher want his dick.
Show us the page proving this bullshit.
>And the manga hasnt gotten to the part where the student council president falls in love with him yet.
She is irrelevant after what anime covered and manga is scanlated almost up to raws.
>>145520273
>Rakudai is NOT a harem. Ikki proposes to Stella in vol 3!
No, Rakudai isn't a harem becasue there is no more than 2 love interests.
>>145520500
>rakudai is a harem because almost every girl in the series falls in love with the MC instantly or after a short while.
But that never happens.
>>145534000
Homosexual MCs work. Shinji and Love Hina's MC are testaments to it.
Besides if it was actual hentai it would have even less of a budget
>>145534785
>/a/ at some point found a way to be worse than World's End Harem
>>145522498
This novel intrigues me, do you know the name
>>145534908
who hurt you
Battle Reverse Harem.
>>145535159
>Done. Actually, there's already one LN like this but I don't remember the name.
>>145534938
dojo girl is all lovey dovey towards MC after the sword eater arc. Even their father jokes about marrying her to him.
Teacher literally asked him to fuck when meeting the MC for the first time. Did you even read the manga?
>>145534346
Females in harem anime are submissive.
The only reason the harem never pans out is the MCs being gay.
Look at putrid shit like Tsugumomo.
It would have been much better if MC simply took his pants off and fucked the girls.
That reminds me of the manga /a/ was scanlating 2 or 3 years ago. The one with the boy going to an island to become the patriarch or whatever and is supposed to fuck different women in a ritualistic manner because they're part of some local religion or some shit.
He never did fuck them if I remember it correctly. That was still a good manga but I'm still a bit mad the harem end never panned out.
>>145518722
SHE. IS. A. BIG. GIRL
>>145535426
>dojo girl is all lovey dovey towards MC after the sword eater arc.
She appeared once after that along waving with crowd when Ikki was running to battle with Raikiri.
>Even their father jokes about marrying her to him.
Scene was only in manga, anime skipped it since she was irrelevant anyway.
>Teacher literally asked him to fuck when meeting the MC for the first time. Did you even read the manga?
Please show me a page.
>>145531302
Anon you sound bitter as fuck
>>145531457
>>145533352
It is way more abstract.
"Deconstruction" as used in this thread and popular fiction in general means subversion of themes and common elements.
Since we're on an anime board, anime examples of "deconstruction", such as Eva or Madoka are like this. They're also inherently satirical, because contrary to popular belief, satire does not have to be funny.
If you want me to really explain deconstruction for you, I'm sorry, I can't actually do that because it is goddamn hard, beyond my abilities and understanding of literary criticism, and the term is one of the most confusing ones I've ever come by.
The best I can make it is that in deconstructive way of reading nothing ever has one fixed meaning, but examining it one can find several interpretations. These interpretations are neither faulty nor correct.
The author always has an intent but it is theirs only. Audience only guesses what the author meant. Thus, texts will always reveal different meanings because people as individuals and in different social and cultural environments receive and interpret them.
>>145518722
>deconstruction makes it deep
Fuck off back to TV Tropes
>>145519166
Sounds like NGE.
>>145533968
Well every girl is in love with the MC, it's just that they prioritize their dreams and goals first before their love for him. At the same time though, there would be hesitation when fighting him, or rather they try to push him somewhere else so he doesn't get in their way out of "love."
>>145518722
Master of Martial Hearts already exists, anon.
>>145538450
Or the girls start falling out of love with him and get boyfriends, thus leaving the MC alone
Truly the Evangelion of battle harems tbqh
>>145518986
>battle harem with realistic women
>no battles
>no harem
I don't follow anon
Out of the trinity of magical high school shows that came out that season, I honestly liked Rakudai the most. It was the most fun. That being said, if you are saying Rakudai is a harem, you are fucking retarded.
As to how to deconstruct the battle harem genre, just have the characters be soldiers/mages or whatever, train at school, then get sent into battle. Gritty war story ensues.
Here's an idea
Make it more than 12 episodes so we can actually go somewhere with shit and develop relationships.
The problem with all these shows is that by the time they finish introducing the characters the shows already winding to a halt.
>>145540309
Right?
The girls mainly revolve around the protagonist, with winning his heart being their prime motivation, but we actually get to see and even relate to how they end up falling for him. And no "he protected me in a fight kyaaaaa protagonist-kun kakkoii" bullshit unless it's so well done that the viewer thinks "yeah, I'd totally fall for the protagonist too if I were her".
Rather than just introducing grim themes for no particular reason, I think the important part of a deconstruction is tackling narrative challenges that other works just gloss over. Like how all the girls fall for the protagonist just because the genre demands it. Or how everyone are somehow fine with being at an eternal standstill where everyone has an equal chance of winning until the very last episode/volume. We usually intentionally avoid questioning those things, because you kinda have to if you want to enjoy a harem at all, but a deconstruction is all about questioning the unquestioned.
>>145540309
>That being said, if you are saying Rakudai is a harem, you are fucking retarded.
It had people completely fooled for almost 4 episodes. I don't blame people who dropped it before then for still thinking that it's a harem.
>>145539046
Not a harem. Just a mediocre Ikkitousen clone that goes full retard for the sake of shock value
>>145540431
>tfw adaptation never got to the best part of Antimagic
it hurts
>>145540638
The best part is that it wasn't a sudden change to a single-girl romance but a slow and subtle change while still having regular magical high school action.
>>145540576
Well, there is the battle aspect of it. That inevitably leads to some grim stuff. An academy that trains you to be good in a fight can't be that good for the characters.
>>145540934
It would have fucked it up some way or another.
Im surprised we don't see more anthology harem where all girls win in their own self contained arcs
>>145541076
Isn't that what visual novels are for?
>>145541130
Nothing says anime shouldn't do them anyway.
>yfw no battle harems next season
>>145540999
I'm honestly surprised that Rakudai didn't get a second season while its actual generic harem counterpart Asterisk got the 24 episode treatment.
>>145541203
>>145541189
It's tough to do them in just 12-13 episodes without making them feel extremely rushed.
>>145541259
IIRC there wasn't enough material to do so. Plus A-1 adapted Asterisk so they could afford to put money into it. Silver Link didn't really have that luxury.
>>145541356
Just pull an Amagami
>>145541394
>Plus A-1 adapted Asterisk so they could afford to put money into it.
And yet the visuals looked worse. I mean if you're gonna make a battle series, shouldn't you be focusing on the battles?
>>145541613
A-1 generally doesn't have high quality visuals. At best, they have mid-tier animation and art.
>>145541356
Not really.
Devote one episode to introduction than 2 to 3 episodes per girl and instead of one shitty go no where long romance you get 4-5 decent short ones
>>145540392
>keep a shitty harem plot going for more than 12 episodes
asking for a little much don't you think?
>>145518722
we start by educating ourselves on the nature of poststructuralist criticism.
Make the MC suicidal. Not a depresing type, more like Zetsubou Sensei. The guy just want to die in every fight and the girls save him every time and he gets annoyed. Due his nature he thinks the girls just pity him and not really love him, so he never tries to make a move and tries to commit suicide everytime the girls try to come closer to him .
>>145541899
yeah, expecting a plot and story really is asking the moon isn't it.
MC actually does have the worst power. Loses all fights. Girls all think he is disgusting and useless. He finds a way to start slowly climbing the ranks, some of the girls start to talk to him. It is later revealed that he was cheating and his reputation is destroyed.
>>145518722
Reverse battle harem
>>145542418
>It is later revealed that he was cheating and his reputation is destroyed.
Nigga at least make it genuine. Do you really hate hard workers?
>>145542418
An actual deconstruction that's at least ironic watchable on the level of School Days and Master of Martial Hearts.
/a/ can do something right
>>145542751
On a somewhat related note a battle harem MC that uses the cheapest and dirtiest tricks would be very entertaining to watch.
>>145542874
How dirty we talking here? Dirt in eyes? Pre-battle bribery/blackmail/sabotage? Nut shots?
>>145533352
Basically to understand what "deconstruction" means, you need to understand structuralism.
The fundamental idea of structuralism is that everything exists as part of a greater system and also that everything is fundamentally without meaning or merit, these are "formed" though the relation to other things. This idea can be applied to a variety of things, for example language would be considered a structure that shapes culture and human relations.
Now, certain french philosophers really disliked this idea and they decided to do what any philosopher does, write lots of criticism and this is where things get complicated. Structuralism is still easily understandable, this stuff is not.
Now pay attention:
A central idea in structuralism is hierarchy.
You always have different concepts in a hierarchical relation. Deconstruction is essentially looking at these relations removed from any (subconscious or conscious) assumptions you might make about the text and seeing how the text itself betrays (or does not betray) the very ideas the text attempts to convey.
You might already see the problem with defining "deconstruction", because you can't really talk about language using language.
This was very difficult to put into words and I have no idea if this is comprehensible at all.
>>145543051
Everything.
>>145525540
The only "rival" who showed actual interest for the MC was his sister, but even that was rejected by the MC. And even the "rival" showed to be losing interest with her brother and became more romantically interest with her partner.
>>145543087
>This was very difficult to put into words and I have no idea if this is comprehensible at all.
It isn't. We can only understand it through concrete examples and their analysis.
>>145518722
Easy:
Introduce an MC that consciously expects to be in a Battle Harem. Show him going to a Infinite Stratos type school with him being the only male.
Then depict his utter disappointment as these females give no fucks about him because battling is actually life and death srs bisniss.
Show him trying to set up "accidental" pantyshots and titgrabs.
Show him getting more and more frustrated as his as reality doesn't match his head.
Show him contemplating randomly groping some girl. Show her reacting like a typical Tsundere. Show the female students wise up to his sexually harassing ways.
Show him getting feelings for the girl her grabbed cuz she still talks to him. Show him getting hardcore friendzoned by said tsundere.
Make the MC the supporting character in his own work. They are just stock male Japanese teenagers so make him realize that. Give this little shitlord the biggest Kafkaesque existential crisis ever.
Show him mustering the courage to sacrifice and die for whatever war/sport he fights in. Watch him train to be strong. Watch him get strong. Very Strong. Then make him unable to get any stronger as the narrative progresses even while everyone else, even other men in the narrative, increase their powerlevels. Watch him struggle with his feelings of inadequacy.
Make MC finally understand that he is nothing. insignificant. meaningless. Make him understand that his face is the face of every man, not special. Make him realize that he was not destined to be a hero because his natural ability just isn't as good as everyone else through no fault of his own.
"Even those who have nothing, can give their lives." -Aatrox
Make him a martyr for the great fight. In death, make him a staint, paragon, hero, DemiGod. Make him an object of worship. Make him Christ basically.
In the end, in death, MC gets exactly what the Harem genre is selling; adoration, strength, a feeling of being that his life actually mattered.
>>145544707
Did you just quote a league of legends character?
>>145542418
Sounds pretty interesting
Fund it
>>145541613
Rakudai may had a bit better animation
But Asterisk blows it away with its art style
And it had above average animation compared to battle harems and a top tier OST
>>145545423
>But Asterisk blows it away with its art style
>And it had above average animation compared to battle harems and a top tier OST
You are fucking retarded. Rakudai had the best OST out of the bunch as well as better animation overall compaired to Asterisk (both seasons). So you are just plain wrong.
>>145545518
>Rakudai had the best OST
Maybe watch both shows before making stupid posts like these
Also i already said Rakudai had better animation, but the art style looked like dried poop compared to the vibrant Asterisk
>>145545385
wow thats a lot of effort
>>145545423
>And it had above average animation compared to battle harems
Are you fucking kidding me? It had the same low budget CGI and awkward flashy effects as any other battle harem.
>>145545646
Watch more battle harems
>>145545598
>Maybe watch both shows before making stupid posts like these
Except I did.
>the art style looked like dried poop compared to the vibrant Asterisk
Of the three, Asterisk had the most generic designs so I have no idea what you are fucking smoking. Rakudai's art direction was much more original (see the last arc for evidence) and added various artistic touches that put it way above Asterisk. One such example was the pure colors when Ikki was fighting on his own or when his father rejected him. Or the blowing away of the black bars when Raikiri was used. Learn how to watch visual media before you speak.
>>145545640
>implying it isn't pasta
>>145544959
did you just recognize a quote by a league of legends character?
>>145545750
A couple of scenes were good yes. But most of the time it looked blurry and cheap as fuck
>>145545759
but the name was there
>>145545640
>>145545751
A lot of effort spamming countless of the same threads over and over? Yeah.
>>145545839
No you just can't refute my points so you say "yeah b-but only sometimes it was good!"
>>145541034
I guess it would be easy to explore how bad of an idea it could potentially be to send teenagers in the middle of puberty, with little to no training in handling stressful situations, straight into the heat of battle, without even putting them into the charge of someone with actual combat experience. I imagine it would be a lot like the first half of Grimgar, one of the many recent shows people point to as the deconstruction of isekai.
Another thing I'd like to see addressed is this idea that the protagonist needs to both appear completely unspectacular, but also have the highest potential out of all characters. Could instead reverse it by giving him some really nice power, but have him eventually reach the limit of what can be done with his power alone, where he gets crushed by anyone who has trained more than him.
Hell, while we're at it, that whole deal with the protagonist being the savior of his harem, it would be interesting to see that turned into a delusional hero complex, though re:zero is kinda doing this already.
>>145520088
Do not forget that dragon is supposedly strongest being ever.
Also all three girls are part of the several hundred year old party that beat "TEH EVIL" and are for some reason or the other really gimped in power now.
>>145518722
All the girls that join his harem become unattractive.
>>145546098
I also don't understand why these shows don't focus on the purpose of the battle academies' existence. If they're training to defeat the enemy of humanity, if they're becoming a knight in service of the crown, if they're being pitted against each other for other people's entertainment like some underground arena, then why is so much time spent on fluffy slice of life stuff?
>>145518722
Have the girl cripple the underpowered MC who kept saying he was incompetent. The bitch is expelled, and the school closed, due to not being able to pool enough money for the medical and legal fees.
The world is left without a savior, and it starts succumbing to the influences of the evil side.
>>145536159
so you're saying english teachers are professional deconstructors?
>>145545844
did you just recognize the name of a league of legends character?
>>145530569
Of course it would flop, it is not telling the man children audience that they are perfect and society is wrong.
>>145546696
Because the battle academy is just an excuse to get the characters together in a setting that the viewer can easily relate to (because it's pretty much an ordinary Japanese high school with a different curriculum), while having potential for action. We're supposed to just accept it with a half-assed explanation about how Japanese teenagers need to be trained to fight an emerging threat that only they can deal with.
I guess AssClass is worth mentioning as a show that does it a little differently, because the characters are just as confused as the viewer about why they of all people were picked to save humanity.
>>145547178
So they treat this setting the same way they treat tournament arcs.
>>145518722
By the protagonist being the fighter and the heroines being normal girls.
>>145518722
Stella a shit.
>>145518722
I dropped Asterisk after one and a half episodes, is it worth picking up against to see Stella getting bullied more?
>>145518722
>deconstruct
Here is this word again
>>145547856
Fuck off asterisktard. You got btfo.
>>145518722
>MC is already married/has GF outside of harem.
>Harem members shouldn't know about it because reasons.
>>145550631
>OP
>bumping his own thread
>because he's an insane shitposter
>>145545882
A lot of autism for a NEET anon.
>>145551276
Who are you even directing this at? Because it's vague and you don't specfiy anything.
Which, ironically is a symptom of autism.
>>145519166
no cuck shit
fuck off
>>145552023
Its a deconstruction.
Too bad none have passed School Days tier ironic watch
>>145552255
If you think about it, cuckolding is just a deconstruction of relationships.
>>145552508
by that logic murder is a deconstruction of life
>>145552567
You might be on to something.