How would you fix Evangelion? If it was me, I'd give it a happy ending with Shinji and Asuka ending up together and saving the planet. Misato and Shinji's father also get together and she becomes Shinji's new mom.
but we had a pretty good ending with EoE. just ignore the rebuilds and nge is fine
You know, it's people like you expressing their opinions in focus groups that lets us have all these bland predictable as fuck movies, tv-series and mongolian puppet theatres that swamp the market today.
You look at NGE and you think your changes would "fix" it?
Please kill yourself.
Nah, the ending was too complicated for my taste. Also there's no romance in the show apart from Misako and that dude with ponytail.
Also I think the show would benefit from a few filler episodes like Shinji, Rei and Asuka going to the beach.
The first rebuild is a remake with minor pointless changes that just serve to annoy you. The second one is a partial remake that goes off the rails with stupid fanservice and a horrible ending that brain-dead retards here like because it's "hype". The third one is an entirely new story. The fourth one is a myth.
After defeating the Evangelion, Shinji declares his love for Asuka since their first kiss early on the series. Later Gendo tells him how proud he is and that his mother would be happy. He also reveals he and Misato are seeing each other in other to provide Shinji with a normal family. They all move together and when Shinji goes back to school next summer he's welcomed by all of his friends: Hikari, who's dating Toji, Kensuke and Rei. The final episode will be all of them enjoying a nice day at the beach.
I would make Asuka die from the choking at the end and make Rei get back her body and memories of I, II and Rei III back so she could go back home with Shinji while holding hands. Rei II knew she was in love with him but she got killed by Angel before she could confess.
Because she is a bitch, harems are shit and rei is best girl. Asuka could reunite with her dead mother or something in afterworld or in between. She can't handle real life anyway.
There is nothing manly in enjoying getting abused and dominated. Real men chooses Rei because her know he can handle relationship with a girl who doesn't intact with you just because, but needs you to make moves, push relationship forward and make sure she feels comfortable, safe and loved.
Asuka is easy modo, she interacts and talks with you without any real reason, she says out loud what she thinks and how she feels, you don't even need to move relationship forward because she does it for you, just like she kissed shinji. She also panders to masochists and other pathetic betas.
Liking fictional girls is for betas anyway, but asuka is for more pathetic ones. Rei requires from you to be a least a little of the man.
Nope. Asuka is easier to handle.
Real man choose rei because they don't need to be dominated and can lead in relationship.
You can protect asuka but majority of her fans only talk about her body and usually ignore her personality.
Rei does snap, like when she slapped shinji when he was acting like a faggot.
However, Asuka doesn't do that, she only talks big but in fact is weak and break down when something doesn't goes well.
How would you fix Evangelion?
Keep NGE Episodes 1 to 26 and EoE and after EoE have one short final film to give closure to what just happened in EoE and then get rid of rebuild and all the other crap.
>Misato and Shinji's father also get together
>I'd give it a happy ending with Shinji and Asuka ending up together and saving the planet.
>Not having Shinji and Kaworu getting together, showing that angels and humans can co-exist and that their love was able to conquer the hatred between the races
Shit taste mh friend
Does anyone else here self-insert themselves into Evangelion and daydream about it?
i would make every character even more broken and the mental issues would come to light much earlier in the show
Some things shouldn't be said even as a joke.
I'd probably remove Asuka all together. Or at least make it so she realizes her own faults by the end. I would also have more development to Rei, since she really had nothing about her besides 'I love Ikari' and 'I'm a blind tool for Instrumentality'.
I'd also have Misato come back instead of Asuka since Shinji clearly liked and relied on her more. But sadly, that would also require more development beforehand.
The biggest problem with Eva as a whole is the focus on isolation and avoiding others. But since this was the central theme, it can't really be fixed. Fixing it would create an entirely new story.
Character development usually relies on characters interacting. By having the main theme of the show being the opposite, it creates unique problems.
Eva still obviously had character development. But most of it was implied or deflection. And by the end of the show, you had entire episodes devoted to characters looking into empty rooms and lamenting what they didn't do.
Like what? I just rewatched the show last week. She has two episodes where she's the focus, but most of it just comes down to her memories of Ikari and smiling at Shinji. Then almost 15 episodes go by where Asuka is the focus and she does little more than get interrupted every time she talks and told to be the backup in every battle. Then even in Rei III, she isn't the focus of the episode and dies a pointless death.
After that, about all there is to Rei is being told to start instrumentality. Then going against Gendo and joining with Lilith to lead to another pointless death.
You're wrong.The only scheduling issues were with episode 25. Episode 26 was always meant to be as originally aired. Anno has said this several times in interviews, including pretty recent ones.
She knew she was dying, and had only one way left to try to motivate the useless lump she'd been dragging around. Only he really wasn't into that cougar pussy.
The show still has a shitload of character interaction. The point isn't just that everyone is avoiding each other, the theme is more focused on the problems caused by the dissonance of wanting to connect with people but also fearing the pain that might come due to that connection.
I would gladly make the anime adaption of the manga.
Hayashibara: So everyone is thinking the TV series didn't end there.
Anno: At present, it won't be in the form of an OVA. Um, with regard to episodes 25 and 26, they will be - how would you say it - coupled, or we plan to have both [versions] released together. So the version based on the original scenario is going to be made after this, and that together with the on-air version, these two together will comprise the episode 25 and episode 26 [release]. That's the form I expect it to take.
Hayashibara: So there will be two episode 25s.
Anno: Right, it will be a multi-ending.
Hayashibara: So, a dual... ah, a multi-ending. After episode 24 the endings will diverge.
Hayashibara: There will be two of them.
Anno: There will be two of them.
Hayashibara: Ah, two endings.
Hayashibara: But it's a kind of - it's strange to say paradox - [<this part a bit unclear>]?
Hayashibara: In terms of gaming - is it called a simulation game? What do you call it? The ending for that particular self changes as you go on through the game.
Anno: Right, a multi-ending game.
Hayashibara: You took this road so you went here. You took this road so you went here. The ending changes. That's how it goes.
Anno: Um. Evangelion is my live performance. Since I create it with this sense of it being live, what I'm thinking now, what I'm feeling now, my current mood, all this gets transferred onto film - that was the initial theme, or the theme I had in my mind.
Anno: The idea was to do it as honestly as I could. Well, among other things, you have general opinion, you have the opinions of other people, things you have to do, things you can't do... um...
Anno: Right. these limits, but then I create according to my own ethics. In short, the initial [idea] was to purge everything not part of myself.
Hayashibara: Ha ha ha.
Anno: The final episode ended up being that way on television, and, well, with it [Evangelion] ended once, but I'll be remaking it once more. Ah, it's strange to say remaking, because I'll be going back to the initially completed scenario, but when I actually do it, I imagine I'll probably have rewritten the scenario as it is now, but my current feelings will be reflected [in it]. So, since those will be my feelings after two or three months have passed, I wonder how things will turn out when I sit down to think about Evangelion's ending. What will happen? So that [version] will also be included when the video is released.
Hayashibara: Are your feelings something that change that suddenly? Or maybe they are, for Anno-san.
Hayashibara: Isn't what is really there something that doesn't change?
Anno: Probably that [something] doesn't change. But what I'm thinking, what I want to see, what I'm thinking about, I think that these things change.
Hayashibara: Ah, I see. And then probably the methodology changes.
Anno: Right, right.
Hayashibara: For example, this is a simple example, but take an apple, you describe it, for example, as "delicious," as "red," as "ripe," with various, there are various ways of describing one thing.
Anno: Right, the angle changes.
Hayashibara: Even if ultimately you want to say "apple." When the way you say it, or the method you use to express it, or the way you convey it changes, it becomes something different for the recipient.
Anno: Hmm. Well, in regards to the TV versions of episodes 25 and 26 - how do I put it? Hmm. Well, it's easiest to just say there are a number of different factors.
Hayashibara: Ah, there are. So you feel you want to pour that "live self" within you into the video version.
Anno: Right, doing it again, if I can do it after some time has passed, then my feelings at that time will probably be represented in the new versions of episodes 25 and 26. Only, I have no desire to repudiate what is there now, because that represents my present feelings.
Anno: [Making the last two episodes] it felt like my brain kept on producing all these chemicals. When I saw episode 25 after first putting it together, I thought, “I’m a genius.” However, when I re-edited and re-watched it afterwards, I was crushed. It was no good at all. I was embarrassed my lack of ability. I apologize to the staff.
Takekuma: Well, but, the last scene in the final episode was quite something, where the screen cracks and everyone is applauding and congratulating the main character. Watching that, I felt like I was going crazy. It was like, how far are you going with this…?
Anno: Well, there were a lot of things I was thinking about there. The biggest reason [for that scene], I have no intention of revealing. The heart of it, I won’t tell anyone. The most crucial part of the reason why I made episode 26 like that - I still haven’t revealed that anywhere, including in [this magazine,] Quick Japan. That part at least, I won’t tell anyone.
Oizumi: You mean, some personal, formative experience you can’t tell anyone?
Anno: Something a bit more ideological. In these interviews for Quick Japan, we’ve only gone about as far as the inner moat [of the castle]… Well, that part, I’ll be taking to my grave.
(From “Epilogue” / Parano)
Sadamoto: (Kotono Mistuishi) cried reading a script, for example. When Anno-san heard that - guts pose! (laughing)
Masayuki: What episode was that?
Takekuma: Misato’s voice actress cried reading the script?
Sadamoto: So Anno did a guts pose. The supervisor of the manga also cried [reading it], and when Anno heard that, he did another guts pose (laughing). He was victorious, because two members of society had been reduced to tears. However, after it was finished, people told him various things, and he went into a state of collapse. What happened to the guts pose? (laughing)
Masayuki: When he was making episode 25 he was saying, “I’m a genius.” Then after it had broadcast, he came out of his room looking dazed. “Why did I make such a strange thing?” (laughing)
Sato: The last episode was the same, wasn’t it?
Masayuki: Well, he didn’t say anything about the last episode. Just with episode 25, he seemed to be extremely pleased with it. Then when he saw the broadcast, it was like, “I’m an idiot…” (laughing)
Sato: Afterwards he was looking at the reactions on message boards from a distance (laughing). Although he was saying he was going to ignore them, he was still looking out of the corner of his eye at the monitor. “I’m probably not going to look….” he said. “Right, I’m not going to look.”
Sadamoto: But I thought that the final two episodes were fine. I thought it was simply a matter of the connecting episode between episodes 24 and 25 being missing. That’s why we’re doing the original episode 25 (the remake version) now. I think it’s just that that episode was missing. I saw the initial script. If the original episode 25 had been there, then there would have been a clear link leading up to the television versions of episodes 25 and 26. Just one episode was missing. So I thought [the ending] was fine.
Masayuki: We know that because we’re the people who worked on [the series].
Sadamoto: So in my mind there’s a clear link [bridging episode 24 and 25]. But the ordinary viewers, although they wanted to see the continuation of episode 24, it was omitted. So, they got mad at it.
Oizumi: That’s completely right.
Sadamoto: They couldn’t see the relationship [between 24 and 25].
Tsurumaki: Well, it’s because the original episode 25 script was completed [but not used].
Sadamoto: Because I’ve seen [that script], I thought, [watching the ending], well, even this much is fine.
(From “On the Final Two Episodes” / Parano)
None of this suggests that EoE was a retcon or that Episode 26 was made how he originally planned it. It's a bunch of non-answers and vague theory and craft stuff, like it always is. And even if Anno's opinion on how the ending of the series should be changed in between the finale of NGE and EoE, I still fail to see how that makes EoE illegitimate. The show went through a shitload of changes throughout.
>entire episodes devoted to characters looking into empty rooms and lamenting what they didn't do.
I mean, that's my shit if done well.
I think that's just a matter of personal preference, not a concrete flaw of the show
Both endings are legitimate, why are you people so obsessed with the idea of enclosing a story into a single format or make it "closed"
All of it is content created by the same people at the same time
There are other interviews in which he literally says that unlike episode 25, episode 26 aired as he intended it to be. I just can't find them at the moment since it never occured to me to bookmark them or save them offline.
There are even more interviews where he actively defends the end of the TV series and says he is pleased with it. The only part with significant issues is episode 25, and even in these quotations, you can see that the executive meddling didn't do him much good messing up his schedule there.
25 is almost a recap, except a thematical recap rather than a plot recap. 26 though is pure new content and can't really be chalked to budget issues or Anno rushing the deadline. 26 is much better than 25.
>There are even more interviews where he actively defends the end of the TV series and says he is pleased with it.
I know Tsurumaki has said things like this in some interviews, but I've never heard Anno do the same.
I have to agree with this >>145392631 anon, there's really no reason to debate over which ending is legitimate.
Like everything you just glossed over. Rei's relationship with Shinji is indeed part of the character, but you've clearly missed out on Rei's struggle to identify what or who she really is, which arguably makes up the majority of the character.
The deaths are anything BUT pointless, as they serve as a kick in Rei's ass and actually furthers her character. Practically speaking, Rei dying at this point literally saved everyone else, even herself in some twisted way.
Then finally she doesn't "die", she gets to go and be what she wants to be, she's essentially godlike by the end of the series. Did you not see the giant angelic being above the world, did you not notice how Rei's otherwordly presence goes back to episode one, right to the end?
Especially "the blind tool for instrumentality" is stupid since Rei is nearly the only character reflecting on the issue or guiding another (Shinji) about it.
Stop lying to my face anon. You're clearly retarded or out to be an edgy cunt. No wonder your opinion on the rest of Eva is so bad when you're this crucially misinformed.
Eva had untold popularity. And with that comes unrealistic expectations. The most hardcore fans are also the most judgemental.
What's honestly the most amazing thing Eva did as a series was create the two biggest waifus in history. Then make them go crazy and die. Yet the fanbase still loved the girls and the show. Imagine if any other show, from Love Hina to Haruhi, had done such a thing. The fanbase would have screamed bloody murder and the show would have been forgotten. But Eva persists.
>Rei's relationship with Shinji is indeed part of the character
Which is really only based on two very subtle events.
>but you've clearly missed out on Rei's struggle to identify what or who she really is, which arguably makes up the majority of the character.
All the main characters have this same struggle. Its the overall theme of the show. So it doesn't really help Rei stand out when Asuka, Shinji and Misato are also struggling to find who they are. And have similar monologues.
>Not wanting a slice of life EVA with Asuka and Shinji's daughter bullying Shinji
I live off Shinji's misery.
She wanted to have sex with him because its how she gets over her own pain. Its not so much that she was sexually attracted to Shinji as much as she wanted to help ease his pain. But, as is one of the major points of the show, every character has different issues. And while sex helps Misato, it wouldn't help Shinji. Which leads to another issue of the show. No one understands what the other character needs.
>Which is really only based on two very subtle events.
Their actual, on-screen visual interaction is not subtle. There may be subtle things about it, however, the relationships themselves are not.
>All the main characters have this same struggle. Its the overall theme of the show. So it doesn't really help Rei stand out when Asuka, Shinji and Misato are also struggling to find who they are. And have similar monologues.
They do in fact not have similar monologues. In fact, Rei owns the only monologue in the entire anime - the rest are always interfered with by a third part, a questioner or an interviewer. Not in Rei's case. Keep in mind there's a difference between a long train of thought and a monologue, and an interview as is the case when Shinji speaks with an Angel or similar.
So while everyone "in some way" are trying to find out who they are, this is only far more obvious and clear for Rei's case as she is being quite literal about the question, asking it directly and because she unlike everyone else, has a greater need and reason to know. With the rest, it's a question about identity, but for Rei it is also a question of biological heritage and her spiritual existence.
So it's the other way around, it doesn't help Asuka, Misato or the rest that they all have lesser versions of the same theme as Rei. Not only that. Rei is the only one who actually proves ot the viewer that she has a firmer grasp on herself than the rest does. There is a reason why Rei is the character that objectively stood the most out when NGE was introduced.
She was sexually attracted to Shinji, I'm glad that piece of shit Kaji died like a little bitch, that way he couldn't stand in the way of Shinji and Misato's /ss/.
I would fix it with Misato showing up on the beach with Shinji at the end instead of Asuka. And then they have to repopulate the workd together.
>There is a reason why Rei is the character that objectively stood the most out when NGE was introduced.
People just throw this word around whenever they want their opinions to sound more legitimate. Your post was completely fine without the dumb "Rei is OBJECTIVELY superior" rant at the end.
The rebuilds were made to cater to the people who liked the action and fighting in evangelion more than the psychological aspect. as a standalone series, it's really good. But because I've seen NGE, I held it to the same standards, which it didnt each
In conclusion, rebuilds are good, just not as good as NGE
>How would you fix Evangelion?
Add more best girl.
Some do, doesn't mean that I do. However, some throw around just what you wrote whenever they get blown the fuck out and need to retreat into their own subjective safe space.
History tells us for a fact that Rei Ayanami was the de facto most popular, wanted and stand-out character in the entire '95 series.
Now you may hate that fact because you're a fantard otaku (fan of another character) or because it doesn't help your argument, but it's the truth and nothing but the truth.
This was, and still is a stand-out character and denying that just proves your clearly insane or delusional. Otherwise I don't see how you can claim that one of the most popular characters in anime "don't stand out".
I don't agree with the anon you replied to. Rei is definitely an interesting and stand out character. That goes for many of the other characters in the show as well. I just don't approve of your abuse of the English language.
Kaworu actively tries to ask Shinji how he is feeling and shows interest in him. Which is something no other character does. Misato comes the closestto it, but does it in a sarcastic manner that Shinji finds annoying. Because like the others, Misato is afraid to open up to others.
Basically, Kaworu gives Shinji exactly what he needs. But then uses Shinji like all the others. While I don't really like the way it was handled, it is somewhat understandable why Shinji snapped. He thought he finally found one person in the world who cared. But then even that one guy betrayed him. In retrospect, Misato never opened up. Asuka was a bitch to the end. Rei was distant and cold, despite liking Shinji. And Gendo was using Shinji from the start.
Shinji really had nothing. Now, you could argue that Shinji should have gotten over his issues and just opened up to others. But then, as I said way earlier, that would change the entire show. Since it would mean Shinji had a strong will from the start. And even episode 1 and 2 would have been drastically different.
>with Shinji and Asuka ending up together
But Shiniji's romance was with Rei. And they already got their happy ending.
Remember when all the girls in class are all over him because he's the pilot of the giant robot that saved the city? Have a couple of them hook up with him before the episode's over.
Mari's role is to sell more dolls.
> Misato and Shinji's father also get together and she becomes Shinji's new mom
>Misato and Gendo together
Abso-fucking-lutely disgusting. Here's a far superior ending.
Shinji would be the happiest with Kaworu.
What objective standpoint did you use? All of your points are opinions, and to be clear, they aren't bad opinions at all, you offer good justification for why you think that way with concrete evidence from the show. But that doesn't make those opinions into objective facts, it just makes them well reasoned opinions. Someone could still legitimately argue in a different direction.
Yeah I agree... OP did it pretty good by pairing shinji with anyone, thereby pissing off everyone who wanted him with someone else.
Problem is... once I saw him do any pairing... I knew he was trolling. (still great bait, though)
Everything you said was weak-ass bullshit.
When considering the case from an objective standpoint, the numerous polls, citations and whatnot from people in the industry serve as objective proof that Rei is on the objective level, a stand out character.
The problem here is that you won't accept reality and then retreat into your own fantasy world. These aren't opinions. These are facts.
Everyone can argue in whatever direction they want, and even do a good job with it. However, you and everyone like you fail at doing so and only make an idiot of yourself.
He doesn't blush when Rei is nice to him
He doesn't blush when Asuka is nice to him
He doesn't blush when Misato is nice to him
But he blushes when Kaworu is nice to him
Rebuild improved it, though. Shit actually happens, especially with the Evas themselves.
The original was 1% mecha and 99% angst that only tweens and edgelords thought was good.
>When considering the case from an objective standpoint, the numerous polls, citations and whatnot from people in the industry serve as objective proof that Rei is on the objective level, a stand out character.
Argument ad populum is not an objective standard, it's a logical fallacy. Try again please.
Hey, Kaworufag, fuck off. Shinji cried, despaired and even made out with those characters.
Keep in mind that the only reason for Shinji being moved by Kaworu is because he's extremely vulnerable after having effectively lost all his friends, love interests and more.
Even in the lol-kaworu-meme pic the other guy posted, he's leaving out the context.
That a character is a "stand out character" inherently includes the recognition from the audience as having "stood out".
This is not an ad populum argument, and FYI since you're absolutely braindead, if one is to argue that something is popular, invoking "ad populum" as a counter isn't valid for obvious reasons.
Don't try again please. You're pathetic and too stupid to hold any decent conversation. I'm not saying this to be edgy, I really mean it.
I'd make the characters a bit more likable. Eva's biggest problem is that it relies on you giving a shit about any of these fucking dreadful, depressing wastes of space, and that's just hard to do. I know that's the point, but who cares in that case?
>guy 1 wants to prove x is popular among a set of other elements
>guy 1 brings in some commonly known citations and historical facts
>guy 2 screams "AD POPULUM AD POPULUM"
Now in an ideal world, guy 2 would be lynched on the spot.
Not true, Anno designed Kaworu to be Shinji's ideal self and love interest.
That's why Shinji still falls in love with him even in the drafts where Asuka and Rei didn't get rekt.
Honestly it's come full circle.
Wasn't there some shit about people being able to come back from LCL if they have the will to live? So EOE really just set up an implied Madmax scenario anyway.
If you're in the target audience, you're supposed to say "Oh my God, I am that fucking dreadful, depressing waste of space!"
Actually he only blushed towards Asuka in the pool scene, as soon as he looked at Rei he stopped blushing.
And in the apartment it was mostly shock lines, not blush.
Stand-out character does not equal popular character, and even if it did one character standing out more or being more popular doesn't mean the other characters of the show weren't also incredibly popular. Moreover, you argued that certain elements of her character are what made her popular, which is not something that's not shown in any data.
And what matters is that Shinji said he loves Kaworu and not you're waifu. Boo-hoo.
Don't be an idiot.
Rei is a character that is vastly more popular than the next competitor within the series, this makes her factually and undeniably "a stand out character". Not just in the context of Evangelion, but anime in general at the time.
You keep dumbing down discussion with every post you make. Get this: You're wrong, and you always will be. This isn't going to change, and no matter how much you squirm the result will always be the same.
>Moreover, you argued that certain elements of her character are what made her popular,
No, I did not. Even if I did, I'd point out the fact that it's the very character of Rei that made her popular, and that includes _all_ of Rei's character.
I'm telling you this so you can look into yourself, stop trying to one-up someone else on an imageboard, and try to have good conversation or discussion that isn't based on you being a butthurt beta bitch.
>all these plebs that don't ship Shinji and Misato
Watch the series with the on-air versions of episode 21 on. Then watch the director's cut 21-24 and the End of Evangelion movie.
>Stand-out character does not equal popular character
Except in this case, it does. Rei wasn't just popular, she was more than twice as popular as the next female character, Asuka. Despite having less screentime.
Not just more popular than Asuka, but she was so popular she earned the title of "Premium Girl" and whatnot.
That's the definition of stand out.
>All this projection
Anon, you're the one that's getting mad. Constantly asserting how correct you are and how wrong I am doesn't make you right, it only serves to betray your own insecurity. Maybe you should try to argue with someone honestly instead of feeling the need to resort to cheap insults and idiotic psychoanalysis at every turn.
>No, I did not.
Yes, you did.
>So it's the other way around, it doesn't help Asuka, Misato or the rest that they all have lesser versions of the same theme as Rei. Not only that. Rei is the only one who actually proves ot the viewer that she has a firmer grasp on herself than the rest does. There is a reason why Rei is the character that objectively stood the most out when NGE was introduced.
This clearly suggests that Rei's popularity is because of the strength of her self-identity themes, and that Asuka and Misato are less popular because they use this theme to a less effective degree.
You can stop samefagging anon, posting the same thing twice doesn't make you more correct either.
I definitely can blame you for being a delusional shithead, yes. If there was one great thing Anno did concerning Kaworu, it was kill off Kaworu in the original and have Shinji get his good end without him.
Unfortunately Kaworufags miss the entire point about Kaworu, as he's supposed to be an evil, negative and self-indulgent escapist fantasy which threatens to ruin the entire human race. Literally in the show.
This beatuiful point is missed by Kaworufags and re-renditioned as "gay sex". Talk about small-minded crowd.
>as he's supposed to be an evil, negative and self-indulgent escapist fantasy
Then why does Anno say the exact opposite about him?
The one missing the point here is you, sorry that Shinji having feelings for a boy pisses you off so much.
Rate my date with Kaworu at a restaurant recently.
I'm not arguing against you. I don't even disagree with you. I only disagree with your rhetoric. It's offputting, unnecessary, and is ultimately a detriment to your argumentation.
You act like an idiot, argue like an idiot and present the opinions of an idiot. I am not wrong to call you out on it. I can do this with complete justification because I've proved why you were an imbecile every time.
I will continue to do so for every single post forward as long as you give me the opportunity to. Every single time. So you either get your act together, start arguing honestly instead of deconstructing everything written or said in search of some feeble point that ultimately gets destroyed every time, or you get prepared to be called an idiot a lot. I'll even take pleasure in it due to how simple it is. Yes, it is that simple.
So let's get to the next dumb point you made that obviously, and clearly has no merit whatsoever:
>This clearly suggests that Rei's popularity is because of the strength of her self-identity themes, and that Asuka and Misato are less popular because they use this theme to a less effective degree.
Had you not been an underdeveloped moron, you'd have understood that in my post there's two sentences you're jumbling back to one. One being the assertation that indeed, it is the other way around as I described - the second infers from the fact that Rei is extremely popular in comparison the simple idea that Rei does stand out in a quite obvious manner regardless of what you may have to say otherwise.
So despite how much you might fantasize and twist the reality of the original series, the results are known and Rei was a stand out character. Again you can clearly see that I don't tie together the fact that Rei was an extremely "stand-out" character by any works such as "because (of)", "due (to), or similar.
With complete honesty, you should start arguing like you want to understand rather than to simply take a piss.
If you think that Evangelion needs to be "fixed" beyond an art/animation standpoint in the last few episodes then you didn't get it.
Even then the artistic choices provided content for meta analysis of Eva so there's still value.
He doesn't, really. Kaworu was an absolute failure at being that.
Kaworu is a shit character, and only shit people like him in earnest. Its that simple. Like kaworu -> you're pathetic.
Your "rhetoric" of being extremely oblivious and faking ignorance is far, far worse. It's like you're the next US president applying "rhetoric" by denying the existence of Guantanamo. You don't even realize how far gone you are, do you?
Nothing there about Anno intending Kaworu to be evil, quite the opposite. Almost every staff member has said something about Kaworu being good and ideal, and Shinji's opinion of him in the canon show just further evidences this.
Case closed, you're just a butthurt waifufag who can't face reality.
Nothing you do or say will change how Shinji feels about Kaworu and what Shinji doesn't feel for Rei. Sorry not sorry.
Kaworufags are incapable of understanding reality and the world around them at a fundamental level.
To the Kaworufag, there is no difference between something that was supposed happen and something that actually happened, as long as it furthers their escapist fantasy. Kaworu himself has elements of this explicit reality-denial within him.
That is, on one hand, he is literally attempting to destroy the world, he betrays Shinji and hurts those around him despite never acting like it, as if his actions has no consequences. Even when he is put to death for what he is, he still smiles.
Kaworu represents absolute abandon into stupidity, escapism and depravity. Hence, a Kaworu fan could only be just as bad.
Fine, you don't like her, but do you at least think she's superficially cute?
Hey faggot, how does it feel that Shinji ends up with Asuka? Too bad your ship was sunk canonically, TWICE in both NGE and EoE. It's really sad especially because the ship is literally all you have. If Asuka hadn't ended up with Shinji, then she'd still be great for her character. Kaworu? He has no character.
Plus, it's like you don't even understand that whatever Anno intended is not what became the truth in Evangelion. Kaworu is an evil, douchebag despite whatever you think Anno intended. It's right there in the show.
Anything you say to the opposite is clear-cut denial of reality, and all you do is make others laugh at you.
>Hey faggot, how does it feel that Shinji ends up with Asuka?
lol says fucking who?
Misato kissed him and promised him sex, got compromised, and will probably come back from the LCL and give Shinji the succ as soon as she sees them.
His relationship with Asuka was just dumb angstshit that will go down the drain when he sees a naked Misato crawling out of the Tang.
Sadamoto didn't know where he was going with his fanfic, got bored, went off and did other things, came back a while later, and still couldn't figure out how to take his RxS story to an ending.
>b-but Anno said Kaworu was nice and that I should buy the merchandise!
Thanks for proving me (>>145397588) right, anon. Anno can say whatever he wants, but the truth is in NGE and within NGE only. Many authors, such as Ernest Hemingway often lie and mislead people about their own works, quite patently even, just to demonstrate the fact that whatever they say doesn't' actually matter.
So when Kaworu does patently evil things, betrays people and attempts to destroy the world, for no good reason at that, we understand that he is not a good person. You can debate what good/evil is, but what Kaworu did wasn't good.
It's also extremely naive to ignore Shinji's mental condition (or lack thereof) to pretend that Evangelion is some sort of homosexual paradise, despite the fact that everyone normal is quite clearly seeing an innocent boy's life get ruined.
Wake up Kaworufag, you're living a lie.
>Again you can clearly see that I don't tie together the fact that Rei was an extremely "stand-out" character by any works such as "because (of)", "due (to), or similar.
Except that you do. You say "There's a reason why Rei is the character that objectively stood out most when NGE was introduced." The use of "there's a reason why" is clearly an attempt to draw a link between the things you said earlier and what you're saying now. If it wasn't then it was just bad writing.
Also I don't understand why you would spend 4 paragraphs just insulting me and only use half of one to actually make your point. Seems like a bit of a waste of time.
How am I faking ignorance? I understand your point. The only reason I'm still here is so I can somehow convince you that your hilariously aggressive and condescending tone isn't actually helpful. I even knew this would happen when I first replied to you, because I've done this before and you lack the ability to back up even an inch.
>WAAAAAH ITS NOT FAIR IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KAWORU AT THE BEACH NOT ASUKA
Wow, such bitter butthurt. How does it feel to know that even Rei was there as a ghost, and Asuka in the form of the cross? Kaworu is dead and gone, you're supposed to forget Kaworu and despite the idea of him, because that's accepting real life.
Shinji and Asuka's relationship ends up being the most important at the end, and being the one used to complete Shinji's character arc, but that doesn't mean that she 'won' and they're going to work or even get together as a couple beyond the scope of the show.
I used to think like the S/A shippers, but over time I've realised that Evangelion just isn't that kind of work.
Calm down famalam,
You can always pretend Shinji loves Rei in your fanfics.
>Except that you do. You say "There's a reason why Rei is the character that objectively stood out most when NGE was introduced." The use of "there's a reason why" is clearly an attempt to draw a link between the things you said earlier and what you're saying now. If it wasn't then it was just bad writing.
Here's a better theory, you're reaching for straws like you've been doing the entire thread. It's not just this time, but you've been shown as clearly leaving out facts, details and more just to suit your now disproved arguent
I'm saying there's a reason why something factual has happened, and I'm telling you directly that the factual nature that Rei is a stand-out character within the context of EVA in the 90's cannot be denied. I am saying there is a reason for it, and whatever it might be, it without question it inherently involves all of Rei's character, all that I've mentioned and all that I've left out.
Rest assured, it's not a waste of time. You deserve to know how dumb you are, every second of it.
There's no need to pretend at all, about anything. Evangelion is Evangelion, and it is good. You however, are so delusional that your only connection to this thread is shitposting about shipping.
Since when does Shinji choking the ever-loving spit out of Asuka mean he ends up with her?
Kaworu was getting choked before it was cool, and he got the MCbowl without even trying.
Posting screenshots isn't delusional, seeing you get buttblasted over said screenshots is pretty funny though.
Do you cry at night over Shinji abandoning Rei to go bathe with homo boy the next day?
Nice projection. I don't ship. The sad thing is that you don't get that shipping is not required to love Evangelion.
To put this into perspective, you're like a disabled,freak looking into the windows of a candy shop named Evangelion, grasping only faint sniffs of the sweetness inside from a crack in the wall. You're out there like the disgusting outcast you are because you can only see Evangelion through the lens of shipping.
In reality it has fantastic characters, storylines and meaning that you reject so you can masturbate to underage gay sex. So go back to your homo-den over at tumblr, you're creeping people the fuck out.
>y-yous suck at reading
Sweet, sweet kaworufag tears.
>Shinji and Asuka ending up together. Misato and Shinji's father also get together
Choke on a dick, shipfag.
>Nice projection. I don't ship.
Of course you do, you're a Reifag. Shipping is in your kike blood.
See, all I've been posting is screenshots and reiterating what is said in the show and by the staff. That isn't shipping.
You denying that for a fantasy, however, is shipping. Pretty pathetic famalam.
Anno ended the show with Shinji and Asuka breaking through their shells for a brief moment to be vulnerable and sincere to each other.
The Shinji/Asuka relationship is obviously the most important at the ending.
But no, I wouldn't say they 'end up together'. People narrow down something complicated and artistic to something as dumb as 'who wins the MC bowl!' because that's easier to shitpost about on the internet.
Kaworu's bodies are on the beach catching big fish.
I don't ship. Shinji abandoned the hell outta Rei once he found out who she was, he didn't go see Asuka and he didn't even get along with Misato. Difference between me and you is that I understand all of this as part of a good story and solid character arcs rather than yaoi doujin-material.
Keep barking up the wrong tree though, all you're doing is showing that your only way of communication is through shipping.
>I am saying there is a reason for it, and whatever it might be, it without question it inherently involves all of Rei's character, all that I've mentioned and all that I've left out.
Alright, so you are just a shit writer. It would have been more clear to make it clear that the "reason" isn't necessarily the stuff you said, especially since you put the two ideas in the same paragraph.
That said, that was probably exactly what you meant to suggest, you're just denying it now because it would make you look stupid because you were using the word objectively wrong.
And even if you weren't using it wrong you were using it superfluously, which is still stupid.
>You deserve to know how dumb you are, every second of it.
Every second of how dumb I am? Wow anon, that's an awful lot of dumb.
No, literally. Go read the posts you quoted.
Kaworu was never mentioned. You're either autistic or an illiterate manchild. Either way I expect you to proceed and damage control once you've realized the mistake you've made.
Misato and Ritsuko show some form of maternal affection for Shinji but end up hurting him with their selfishness thus maintaining the overarching theme while giving them more relevance to the plot.
Kaworu is in Shinji's class from the beginning. He's been a Seele plant for years to monitor Gendo and NERV. He's been someone Shinji turns to for emotional support throughout the series thus increasing the drama when he betrays him.
Fuyutsuki spends some time with Shinji, the child of the woman he once loved. It at least gives him something to do. He also ultimately rejects Shinji because he feels like a cuckold, and vents his impotent resentment on Shinji.
Finally Shinji needs some kind of outlet besides moping in his room listening to an old cassette tape. In Rebuild he learns to play the piano. In one of the spin-off mangas I think he plays the violin. It helps if it's something introverted and isolated. Something that could be associated with fighting the Angels like joining a boxing gym or playing fighting games could work. Having him develop some twisted attachment to being a pilot that conflicts with his desire to run away from it all.
Keep it letting it drip, fujoshit. Get madder too, your tears were a little cold, so it'd be nice if your hothead heated them up a bit.
See, all I've been doing is posting screenshots and Anno quotes, you're the one so upset and attacked by it that you're going on about shipping and yaoi.
Get some help.
>Alright, so you are just a shit writer. It would have been more clear to make it clear that the "reason" isn't necessarily the stuff you said, especially since you put the two ideas in the same paragraph.
>That said, that was probably exactly what you meant to suggest, you're just denying it now because it would make you look stupid because you were using the word objectively wrong.
>And even if you weren't using it wrong you were using it superfluously, which is still stupid.
Uh-huh, so you are so desperate now that you are literally posing "what if" questions regarding to what I meant, clearly fabricating narratives rather than accepting what was written factually, and even denying the obvious clarification?
Starting to see why you're stupid yet? Not only do you fail at reading-comprehension, but you're entirely incapable of being objective and stick to a discussion.
>Every second of how dumb I am? Wow anon, that's an awful lot of dumb.
You're telling me.
It's not shipping if it's Anno and Iku-chan.
You're somehow still under the pretext that I disagree with your points. I don't. I disagree with your use of the word "objective" because it was used improperly. That's the only thing I ever had a problem with.
>oh nooo he caught me raging as a butthurt faggot WHAT DO I DO
>I know I'll pretend I'm not a kaworufag anymore despite only a kaworufag would care about kaworufags being called out
Just keep the teardrops flowing, kusomanko whale.
In the drafts Anno wrote Shinji and Kaworu have a piano and cello duet in the school at night.
But that might be a bit too gay for some anons here to handle.
The word "objectively" was used "objectively" right. I've shown why it was correct earlier, and your last attempt at disproving that fact included some inane and delusional hypthetical.
Quite ironic that you're arguing that something is not objective by not being objective yourself.
Keep in mind that I'm not calling your out for your stupidity because you disagreed with any earlier sentiment, oh no. That's not why you're a fucking moron, you're a moron because you keep continuing a completely lost argument with continuously worse and worse arguments with every post you make.
Somehow weird that the other guy just "disappeared" and some guy takes his "spot" conveniently whenever there's nothing more than semantics to argue. Because that's all you're doing, and you're even losing at that. When you're wrong, concede and continue to grow the discussion instead of being an idiot like you currently are.
That's not even the gayest part of the drafts.
What about when Shinji begs Kaworu to go out with him on the beach and starts crying?
I think Anno got these cheesy ideas straight from yaoi manga and gay porn.
It really isn't. It is for 25', then after Misato's death the focus shifts more onto Shinji and Asuka because that's where Anno saw the best way to draw out the thematic thrust of the film. And so we have the final scene.
I'm not saying that Shinji and Asuka 'end up together'
Just FYI Kaworufag, the more you shitpost about "Anno meta" rather than assess the actual cartoon's contents, the more you show that you're out there in fantasy-land rather than down here with the rest of us.
We don't need help. You do.
The problem is that it was so sudden in both Rebuild and TV series. Shinji at least fought it a little in the manga. Neither the audience nor Shinji have any time to grow attached to Kaworu.
>it's a Kaworu dies historic on the fury road episode
I only posted screenshots from the show, you got mad about said screenshots.
If you want to call the canon show a fantasy-land then go ahead, that only says more about you at the end of the day than me.
Anno wanted it to be love-at-first-sight like in all those cheesy Shoujo he loves so much.
Shinji was just a closet case in the manga.
Make the story comprehendable without needing to read extra material. Instrumentality is incomprehendable without additional information. Character motivations are impossible to understand too. I shouldn't be required to play a Jap only PS2 game or read a supplemental manga.
You're one of the very few who thinks that.
Kaworu became record-breakingly popular and influential to the Anime scene because he's anything but a shit character.
No one is getting mad about screenshots, fujoshit. In fact, you'll see that no one gives a shit except you. Which is the issue, you are blowing tiny bits of nothing into a grand homo escapism and smearing it all over the thread. That's the escapism you sorely need to be cured of.
Most people think Kaworu is a complete shit character, except the fujoshi and otaku fundoshi. Your picture related is in that anime the stereotypical, filithy fujoshi people look down on.
I mean, really the character's name is a pun on it even.
Anno stole liberally from all the science fiction that he and the other guys at Gainax had read. The only thing from the PS2 game that you can't guess at from just scifi tropes alone is that only the maternal half of Kyoko's soul transferred in her contact experiment.
Being popular and influential doesn't necessarily mean there's something of value.
Suggest you rewatch it because that's factually incorrect.
Misato dies even before Asuka loses to MP-EVAs. Her only appearance after that is when Shinji sees her having sex with Kaji and as a backup voice when he's talking to the Rei/Misato/Asuka trio.
In Instrumentality Asuka gets the train scene where she shoves her breasts in his face, and then the strangle scene in the kitchen
I never said anything but that Shinji loves Kaworu, as evidenced in the screenshots.
You in fact did get mad about it. Very mad. Sorry famalam.
And yet he's the one shown and not characters like Shinji, Asuka, or Misato.
>21 years later people still don't get it
I don't see how two scenes suddenly means she has the most focus in the movie.
Misato and Rei got way more than her, both screentime wise and thematically.
Asuka is pretty much a plot device in EoE.
It's been so long since I've seen someone get this BTFO.
Even if you're just "baiting" you're still doing nothing but making yourself look like a dribbling retard, so I don't know who's chain you think you're yanking.
Keep digging your hole deeper, fag.
Asuka has several scenes, including one recreation of her EoE-scene in that anime. Also that scene you posted is in reference to the fujoshi-character.
Plus you're not even making a point any more, you're just being retarded. That anime and the manga is extremely referential. To the extreme.
Keep going, your tears feed me Kaworu-whale. Better run or the nips will harpoon you!
>/a/ is so full of shipper fags that they can't even comprehend that there's such thing as love that isn't "they want to fuck"
God damn Anno is a hack but his mediocrity STILL manages to fly over your manchild heads.
I know, right? Fuck highschool girls that don't want to go out with us anons.
Keep damage controlling with your autistic folder of Asuka reaction images. Actually with how much you talk about Kaworu and think about Kaworu despite me posting about Misato, maybe you're the closet Kaworufag here. Trying to deflect/project, Kaworufag?
I'm not, he posted a picture of Zayonara Zetsubou Sensei and I'm talking about that.
He's a fucking moronic Kaworufag, probably one of the great disgusting autists that plague eva-threads too, so naturally he'll shitpost and shitpost about "muh otp" while posting all the tangential kaworu-references he can find. Look upon that sad, fat creature and despair. This is what extreme otaku pandering does to people.
Anno and the makers of anime are dooming their own nation.
Reifags and Asukafags secretly want to fuck Kaworu, if these threads didn't make it obvious. They're obsessed with him.
By all means, don't stop now, Kaworufag. It really hurts your already widened-out anus that Asuka ended up with Shinji at the beach, and Kaworu is nowhere to be seen, so you try to use Misato as a cover.
Called you out many posts earlier mate.
So don't stop the music now.
>Kaworufags are sick, sick people.
Well, you're not wrong. Just take a gander at this crazy billionaire Kaworufag.
>MFW you're crying about Kaworu while Misato cucked the shit out of Asuka with two different men
Fucking kek stay BTFO.
Not him but you should rewatch the show.
Asuka is the biggest cuck in the show.
They all probably have around equal screen time, but Asuka gets the most focus thematically. Anna uses how they keep hurting each other to represent Shinji's relationship with reality. When he strangles her because he can't handle her rejection, it represents his choice to start instrumentality. When he accepts that he will be hurt on earth, he has to deal with the hurtful presence of Asuka, and in the final scene they have to find a way to reach out and communicate without destroying each other.
Misato has fulfilled her role in the show and doesn't really have much to do with the thematic thrust of the final stretch, so she's killed off early in the film.
Why are you triggered by screenshots from the show? Does it make you uncomfortable?
Kaworufags on FULL shitposting mode.
Speaking of Anno's limitations as a writer, there should have been more interaction between Misato and Asuka as well as between Ritsuko and Rei. I don't usually criticize media for the fact that female characters tend to revolve around the male leads, but Misato spends so much screentime thinking about Shinji and never worries about Asuka who she is also living with. Ritsuko has been looking after Rei who she of course has some resentment for from her relationship with Gendo, Yui, and her own mother, but we never see it on screen.
Some are suggesting they are actually sequels to the original.
See pic related
actually I'm kinda hoping it myself
Looks like Anno found out about 4chan.
Kaworu was originally supposed to dump him after they went skinny dipping because he was heterosexual.
Reminder that Shinji is a girl, so liking Kawoshin isn't gay.
This explains why they broke up. Kaji is a cross-dresser and he kept stealing Misato's clothes and stretching out her underwear. It would certainly be more interesting than them vaguely being too damaged to maintain a relationship. The reality is that mentally scarred people are usually way more clingy and codependent because no one else could tolerate their bullshit except someone who has equally terrible problems. Kaji didn't have any overt flaws like alcoholic Misato or Spinster Cat-lady Ritsuko.
Misato and Kaji broke up because she wanted to fuck middleschoolers instead.
I would be ok with that if she was in fact fucking his classmates before she met Shinji. Anno relies on vagueness too much.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how mad does it make you that Shinji loves Kaworu and not you're waifu? Be honest, we're all friends here.
No one would respond to me unless I'm posting images of toilets or ships! I'm desperate! How about if Kensuke and Kaworu were merged? Would make Shinji's long walk and camping out at night more interesting.
It's great to think she isn't with that faggy Ikari boy.
Why am I even bothering? No one watches this shit for anything but shipping!
Double the NTR, double the fun. And they look good together as well.
Then book a flight to Thailand. Don't you think attending Toji's funeral or meeting his sister would have been a nice scene? Would really help illustrate how unhinged Shinji becomes.
Haven't you seen the extended cuts?
You're making me talk about that empty source of extra merchandising? Fine, so it's pretty clear Mari is much older than she appears and has some ulterior motive. SEELE no longer exists so what is her motivation? Could she possibly have some connection to Ikari Yui?
I'm a Kaworufag but I don't ship him with Shinji because I want him all to myself.
t. Creator of Welcome to the N.H.K.
This is why Anno made EoE and put no effort into Rebuild. You people sicken me.
Clearly she only exists to shiptease with Asuka.
Just waiting for this scene next movie.
Fuck having a discussion, I'm just going to jerk off.
We went far past the bait 300+ posts ago.
That's the only "Asuka beating Mari up" pic I've got. I'd collect more if they existed.
>ever being a real father to Shinji
>even wanting to forgive his father and live a normal life with him
Misato is already Shinji's mom
or future wife.
>dies from choking
<insert "I'm so fucked up" blowjob joke here>
And when has that ever stopped anybody?
Nobody gives a fuck.
Your husbando is an eldritch abomination who can't comprehed human feelings if they bite him in the ast at best; an eldrtich abomination who deliberately tries to worm itself into condifence of the single human who can stop it to weaken that human and then devotes its exitstence to emotionally torturing that human in alternate timelines, at worst. Deal with it.
Most of which are shipping or waifu related.
I would like Misato doing the grown up stuff to Shinji, that's just because I have an onee-san fetish
>tfw I'll never have an onee-san to asphyxiate me with her
Watch that scene again retard, it's not even implied that she tries to have sex with him, they make it so obvious that it's astounding that you missed it. Now leave this thread and watch the episode again retard, instead of wasting posts like a piece of shit.
Have a good night.