>best animation of all time >mediocre stories How can

>>145299557
>best animation of all time

No no no

>>145299557
>Imagine KyoAni animating a cyberpunk show that's not a slice of life.

They wouldn't be good at it. They can only animate pretty girls and sometimes nice but not incredible action.

>>145299557
They should do Patlabor

>>145299654
>samefagging
OP, please

>>145299603
Why 3 nos?

>>145299557
>most openly gay characters of all time
>it's not actually yuri

How can we fix Kyoto Animation?

Just let KyoAni die

>>145299654
Make them do dramas then.

>high school
>bunch of girls acting gay

I just described 99% of Kyoanus' shows

Violet Evergarden

>>145304150
Speaking of which, I read the rough translation of the first chapter today. If KyoAni get it right, it will probably be the best opening episode of its season.
It will also be the kind of highly reputable show that gets cited as a beautiful work outside the context of anime (even if it underperforms locally which is very possible). I think KA must know this, which would be why they spammed multiple language announcements at the end of the CM and uploaded it with English title/subs, they want foreign attention.

>best animation
No
>Mediocre stories
No

>>145302329
But that's what Hibike! Euphonium is.

How can people be so impressed over animation of such simple subject matter? It's not an action heavy series, it's just cute girls.

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>>145299557
Magical girls.

Seriously, why not create a more upbeat meguca show to counteract the grimdark trend Madoka started, like Gurren Lagann vis a vis Evangelion?

They should just do porn.

Kyoto anime is doing good
hibike euphonium is damn great

>>145306945
>why not create a more upbeat meguca show
Because Precure already exists.

>>145307001
This is what plebs say.

D-Don't get me wrong, I love Hibike.

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>>145306891
OP was memeing but KyoAni gets praised for being consistent at animation and almost never having QUALITY in their shows, their character actin is also simple but effective, we don't get characters having seizures like in Yahari S2 or Space Dandy for example.

>>145299557
>mediocre stories
For you

>>145306758
>>best animation
>No
Why not? Kyoani shows are pretty much always the best looking shows in their respective seasons. The only studio that can fight with them in terms of animation is bones, but their animation isn't always that great.

>>145299557
mediocre animation
shit story

Fixed that for you anon

>>145307435
bones show is not even the one with best animation this season. Also kyoanus is shit.

>>145307531
Which one is then?

>>145307531
Mob Psycho is the best-animated show this season though.

>>145302233
>just let the best animation studio die
'no'

If KyoAni is the best so who is in 2nd place?

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>>145302329
I like how people who complain about KyoAni are unaware of what they actually make.

Were the godani posters rusing or is the next adaption actually going to be good?

>>145307610
Post a webm to prove it. But it needs to have real animation, not le spastic random colors.

>>145308012
Koe no Katachi or Violet Evergarden? Answer is "yes" either way.

>>145304566
Where's the rough translation?

>>145308068
They are posting Evergarden a fuck ton. Much more than Musaigen/Euphonium before it aired.

>>145308026
I don't have any saved, but take your pick from here:
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=mob_psycho_100+

>le spastic random colors
So, colorful animation doesn't count?

>>145308001
that's 1 show out of how many anon?

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大垣舞台、映画「聲の形」全国公開へ

来月3日に先行上映
市が試写会の観覧者募集
ポスターを手に大垣市長さん

OKBストリートで買い物したらバッグ
5日から。10/9まで。先着四千人
#聲の形　8/2中日西濃版より

What did they mean by this?

>>145308072
Advance warning: it's on you-know-where (found it by googling), and the english has various slip ups (e.g. "several hundreds of million times"). Still relatively readable, and you can make out what the author was actually doing in each case.
http://x0401x.tumblr.com/post/145954838199/violet-evergarden-chapter-1-part-1
http://x0401x.tumblr.com/post/146268038154/violet-evergarden-chapter-1-part-2

>>145302233
It would take a lot for that to happen considering how profitable they are.

>>145306989
I second that

>>145308286
Thanks anon.

>>145302233
KyoAni should just stop making anime. Same repeated garbage

Is Mob Psycho the Nichijou of our time?

>Lots of sakuga
>Barely sells at all.

>>145308244
Around 7.

>>145308026
>Post a webm to prove it.
Just watch the ED on youtube, it's probably the most impressive animation sequence of this season.

>>145308151
Evergarden is much more hypable than pretty much anything they have done in a long while, not as a 500+-replies meme show about teenagers, but as a classy and "deep" show about loss and death and shit. Expect it to be a critical darling.

>>145299557
Bandai should cuck Sunrise and make Kyoanus animate a Gundam wrote by Urobuchi and/or Kodaka.
Japanese animation studios need a kick in the ass.

>>145308286
Alright, yeah, this is much better written than their previous LNs

>>145299557
Mediocre stories is high praise for moe pandering highly delusional relationship flicks.

>>145308994
Found the butthurt straightshit

>>145309040
Relationship are important but what was more important is showing the real struggle to earn your musical gains and they just didn't expose this beyond a few generic practice scenes.

>>145309167
>showing the real struggle to earn your musical gains

They did that through the whole show though.

Oh look it's the KyoAni has good animation meme again.

KyoAni should do iyashikei for sage adults and grandpas and mas, like YKK.

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>>145299557
>Should they branch out into different genres?
>Phantom World: episodic harem. Result: flop.
>Kyoukai no Kanata: fantasy+supernatural. Result: flop.
>Nichijou: comedy. Result: flop.
>Tamako Market: comedy. Result: flop.

Compared to KyoAni's bread and butter, slice of life/school/melodrama series:
>K-On
>Lucky Star
>Haruhi
>Free!

No. This is why they are going back to Hibike. The only thing KyoAni can do are series like those four. Factually speaking, anything else they try outside of their comfort zone fails miserably.

KyoAni should also stay away from second seasons. Historically, they have never created a better second season than the first season of any anime.

>>145309248
Like I said, nothing beyond actual practice. They had opportunities to expose the struggle but they rather went into relationships than the real meat of the story.

>>145309407
I don't even know where to start with how wrong everything is.

>>145309407
"Kyoani expert and researcher"

>>145309342
How do they not have good animation again?

>>145309410
So you didn't watch the series I take it

>>145309554
Do you have eyes?

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>>145309496
Other than KyoAnifags that made that picture in 2014 thinking they would put out 11 series in 2 years, there is nothing incorrect in my post.

>>145309635
Yeah and I study animation

>>145309630
You are the kind that thinks Free was about swimming and not about the character relations. You goddamn plebs who never watched any decent sports anime.

>>145299557
I think the die was cast when Nagatsuki vetoed the idea of KyoAni producing Re:Zero. Making sure that KyoAni would never produce a meaningful anime in their company history. Only ridiculously profitable idoltrash and moeshit.

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>>145309739
>E1
Introductions, Kumiko joins wind ensemble
>E2
Everyone choose their instruments and Aoi (the girl who eventually quits) gets major focus in the later half
>E3
First years realize their senpais aren't practicing, teacher gives them the ultimatum
>E4
Practice and finally manage to play a song well
>E5
Marching band
>E6
Focus on Hazuki and how SHE STRUGGLES to even make sounds because she's so new to the instrument
>E7
Focus on Aoi and how SHE STRUGGLES to keep up with her studies and decides to quit band
>E8
Festival
>E9
Practice and auditions, subplot with Natsuki and how SHE STRUGGLES and FAILS to catch up with the rest of the Euphos after all those months of being lazy, this later gets touched in episode 10
>E10
Practice, SoL moments, sensei accepts second try for auditions
>E11
Kaori vs Reina
>E12
Kumiko STRUGGLES to get solo part right, sensei roasts and leaves her out of the part, this scene happens and she realizes how impotent Reina felt back in the first episode

So did Kumiko get to play that one part in the end or not?

>>145299557
>Hibike
>mediocre story

End yourself.

>>145310186
>>145309739

I should also add, that Kaori doesn't want to accept the fact that Reina is just better than her. Struggles are there and touched upon. You fucking retard didn't watch the anime or were not paying attention at all.

>>145310293
No.

>>145310293
No, sensei said to keep practicing for the Kansai competition, which they would advance to only if they got a non-dud gold in the prefecturals.

>>145310186
You fucking retard, Those are expectations and not the real struggle. This is all shallow passive shit and not the real depth of the meat. Literally the only character that practiced hard long term had never any screentime with her struggle. Everyone else was just fucking garbage and didn't even get into a real apprenticeship.

You literally name all those shallow entries of garbage that quits early on. Really struggle begins deep into the apprenticeship. Eupho was just a circlejerk of expectations. This is literally the surface of the struggle. You know shit about this topic so you should shut the fuck up about your garbage.

>>145299603
Perhaps not the extravagant Sakuga you have in mind, but the refinement and attention to detail is absolutely top tier.

Each frame is so damn clean and crisp with barely any error in character structure to be found.

It's arrogant/ignorant to claim that it's lacklustre or that it's unimpressive.

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>>145310553
>This newbiew struggling to even blow the instrument correctly are just expectations!
>This third year struggling to keep up with both her studies and club activities are just expectations!
>This second year struggling to get on the level of her classmates before the audition and then failing are just expectations!
>This main character struggling to get a crucial part in the song right and eventually failing anyway are just expectations!

It's hard to take anyone who says kyoani has mediocre/shit animation seriously. It just sounds too much like false flagging bait and its not at all believable. Literally every studio has said they wish they could do what kyoani does with their shows.

Even if you hate kyoani for whatever reason animation quality is the one thing you have to give them props for.

>>145310716
>falling for the bait

>>145310553
>MUH STRUGGLE

>it's not meaningful because they didn't show the students practicing autistically until their hands bled like whiplash

Kill yourself my man

Hibikek on a technical level is already impressive and very few shows come close to its quality. People are being straight retarded when they call it shit animation wise.

>>145310186
the umaku naritai scene is one of my favorite in all of anime i'd say

>>145310716
>using struggle as a buzzword to strengthen your argument
>newbies having problems and getting depressed is struggle and not just failed expectations
>third year struggling about an entirely different matter than her apprenticeship
>second year starting short term practice sessions thinking she can beat years of experience and then getting depressed is struggle and not expectations
>main character literally doesn't even give a fuck about her hobby until the last third of the anime

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>>145310836
>>it's not meaningful because they didn't show the students practicing autistically until their hands bled like whiplash

Actually, they kind of did. And Midori had to use those tapes in her fingers.

Is KyoAni becoming pretentious?

>>145310860
I think you don't know what struggle and expectation mean. You seem to think they're mutually exclusive. The teacher for example was expecting Kumiko to get the solo part right, Kumiko struggled with it for 2 episodes but she couldn't get it right.

>>145310897
Will S2 have more struggling?

>>145310951
Dealing with expectations is beginner shit. That's what I meant when I said they just touch the surface of the struggle. Literally the only girls that was deep in her apprenticeship didn't have any screentime with her struggle. It was just beginner shit the entire time and people that didn't take the hobby seriously anyway. Ponytail had potential but once her expectations failed her she basically quit instead of going into the real struggle.

>>145299557
I have no idea if you will read this OP, but my my understanding is that there is an actual reason why we are stuck with the writers and stories they choose to animate. I believe they have a fairly unique relationship with kadokawa compared with other anime companies, and additionally I believe they have some sort of in house quota to animate a certain number of shows based on novels written within either KyoAni or kadokawa.

Also, this is all 100% heresay but it is my understanding of matters.

>>145311081
So basically you wanted the show to be more technical bullshit and less people dealing with actual problems.

>>145311081
Your complains are all over the place.

>>145299557
>mediocre stories
hibike euphonium was GOAT

>>145311166
I wanted less relationship garbage and more character with instrument alone time.

>>145311239
Your complains are very silly to be honest. Just admit you're shitting on the show because it's KyoAni and get it over with.

>>145311239
What you fail to realize is that the "relationship bullshit" is far more interesting than the details of learning how to play an instrument. If you're interested in that there's better ways to obtain that information than narrative media.

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>>145311239
Hibike never marketed itself as some sort of band documentary, relationships and character drama are part and parcel

Way to be an unreasonable fag

>>145299557
Just stop adapting dumb ass Light Novels and go back to the core strength of god-tier 4koma adaptions

I already knew before even reading the first reply to this thread that some worthless contrarian was gonna claim that KyoAni has bad animation.

Lo and behold the euphoric gentlemen made their move as expected, so predictable.

Go ahead and explain why you think KyoAni isn't visually outstanding, I'd love to hear the reasoning.

>>145311321
>>145311336
That's why it was garbage.

>>145311423
>little autistic baby is intimidated by character interaction

Back to the shortbus kid

>>145309407
>KyoAni should also stay away from second seasons. Historically, they have never created a better second season than the first season of any anime.

>what is FMP

Not only did FMP S2 outdo Fumoffu, it also outdid S1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Wx9FPHPFk

>>145311480
Wow something I get in every anime. How special. What else does it have? Cute girls? Wow, that's pretty rare in anime.

>>145309410
But there IS nothing beyond practice. Becoming skilled at performing music is a tedious, monotonous process of doing the same things over and over again until you stop sucking much like it is becoming skilled at anything else.

The real drama was Kumiko's change in how she approached her practice and how Reina's dedication inspired her to invest everything she had. The show covered that angle admirably.

>>145311423
>It's garbage because it wasn't what I wanted
Autism.

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>>145311423
>It's garbage because it doesn't cater to my ridiculously specific expectations.
Whatever you say anon.

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>>145311525
Find me a girl cuter than Kumiko

You can't

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>>145311525
What you want are video tutorials on how to play instruments, Hibike never sold itself as something like that. You not liking it is your fault entirely.

>>145311542
Are you implying practice is not an extremely rich topic? How I pity the fools that don't know anything about the real struggle.

>>145311423
>it was garbage because it insisted on having character interaction and character development

I know right!? I mean fucking yawn. Where's the fightan and trumpet duels?

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>>145311604
Too easy

>>145311604
Kumiko is SHIT. COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIITTTTTT

No wonder Sensei is going to tap that prime Reina pussy and not her

>>145309407
Which one of those four are you saying Hibike is like? I guess Free! would be the closest?

>>145311627
So you're saying kyoani is not skilled enough to make this topic interesting and needs to settle for shallow easy digestible mass produced shit. Why even argue with me then? I'm of the same opinion.

>>145309407
I don't think you know what a flop is

>>145311728
Hibike is not the shallow typical moe shit you want it to be. Stop being a moron and go jerk off to some videos of people learning to play instruments

>>145311728
Why are KyoAni haters so ridiculous?

>>145310553
You sound like the type of guy who would be upset that Rocky only had a 2 minute montage of gitting gud while the rest of the movie before the fight was about his interactions with Micky and Adrian and becoming confident in his own abilities.

>>145311648
Enlighten us. I used to play and found practice to be horribly tedious. It's the same reason you don't show characters doing homework, it's just not interesting.

>>145311728
The topic is not well suited to the medium. Technical details are usually not compelling in narrative media.

>>145311239
This entire show from episode 1 is all about the characters and their relationship with being musicians. It may not have been extremely technical showing you how they play and struggle with specific things that most viewers would be lost on, but this show was through and through, about MUSIC. There's a reason why bandfags actually liked this show, it was a slice of the realities of being a musician and not just lolcharacterdrama.

>>145311728
>not skilled enough
>had to settle

You make it sound like creating the show you described is something any studio wants or that anyone even wants to see.

Most anime consumers don't give a shit about the intricacies of band. Addressing the human element is 100 fold more important than nailing the technicalities.

Are you a genuine Autismo?

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>>145306891
Good animation =/= flashy fight scenes

Their do their character animation very well.

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>>145311239

>I wanted more character with instrument alone time.

Episode 12 specially has a lot of that

Why is there ALWAYS a KyoAni thread up?

>>145311810
>>145311839
>>145311843
>>145311897
>>145311900
>>145311911
Sure, how about you give me even more (you)s. That always the strategy of the cattle. Overwhelm one with numbers instead of wit. There is literally no way for me to bring up any argument when 20 people are screaming me down. See it for pussying out or baiting or any other shit your hivemind settled for. I can't argue further like this.

>>145312028
KinoAni can afford the shills.

>>145311954
heterofags you fucking faggot

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>>145311839
They literally cannot stop talking about them.

This image needs to be edited with KyoAni haters at the top and KyoAni at the bottom

>>145311954
Lurk for 2 years before posting. It will help you understand how language works here.

>>145311336
>>145311321
Not him. But he's right, if they had put the relationship aside and showed the struggle more in scene, maybe it would fit more in the theme since it's more dramatic. The way it is feels like a SOL, and a boring one too.

>>145311954
>Het
>Gay
Son, you need to be 18+ to post on this board

>>145312037
Or you're just obviously wrong and everyone can see it. Your complaints are completely ridiculous.

>>145312028
people take the bait every time on both sides

>>145311648
No, I do not think practice is a subject that is ripe for entertaining television.

Repeating the same things over and over again and refining your technique slowly while adjusting the methods of your practice as your skill level improves and you recognize what new areas you lack proficiency in are interesting topics for those who are actually engaging in said practice. Watching someone else do all of those things, on the other hand, will never not be boring as shit.

>>145312037
sad

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>>145312028
Because the retards won't accept one simple truth

>>145312116
You're right. In the real world it counts what the masses consider right and not what's actually right.

>>145312028
Because they're the only TV animation studio worth discussing

>>145312037
>I can't deal with having an opinion that isn't popular with a group of people
>I don't understand how a show with characters would allocate time for those characters to interacte

Grow up.

>>145311978
The way their solo practice sessions were presented was very nice, typically light on any exposition and you simply heard them playing the same part over and over again trying to improve.

>>145312037
You can't argue because you're completely full of shit, plenty of these posts have presented legitimate arguments that you only ignore and continue to say the same thing over and over again. Many of them converge on a similar set of arguments, we're waiting.

>>145312037
Verdict: loss by TKO

KyoAni wins again

>>145312096
They did show struggle from the point of view of various types of characters, that guy is being ridiculous.

>>145312028
Because why wouldn't there be a thread about the studio who changed anime, made the best show of last year and will win again this year?

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>>145312084
there we go

>>145299557
>>best animation of all time
Wrong.
>>mediocre stories
Wrong as well.

Wow, such shit taste.
Back to mal or whatever shithole you came from.

>>145312218
Yes but I think that MORE struggle would make it more fitting for the theme.

>>145312200
>You can't argue because you're completely full of shit
If you never had a controversial opinion on /a/ and argued against half the board at the same time you are too fucking early to post.

What awaits me is an early death by giving up or a long drawn out painful death by dead end arguing.

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>>145312296

>>145312313
What exactly do you mean?

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>>145312028
/a/ can't handle dark, gritty, serious, & smart manime by Madhouse/Mappa studious

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>>145312168
>I am completely right! Those stupid fucking sheep will do nothing but follow whatever is popular! I am much more intelligent and worth more because I'm contrarian by nature. *tips fedora*

I don't even care about Kyoani and I thought Hibike was pretty boring (but pretty to look at and better than most high school dramas) but you are just so sad.

>>145312037
>I will ignore all the arguments made and instead pretend that no-one has comprehensively debunked my dumbass

You are truly inssuferable.

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Why can't any other studio do character-driven stories as well as Kyoani?
PA Works tries, at least.

>>145312313
What would be the point though?

Practice is not very interesting to watch or do, so why would any TV show attempt to present more of it than it needs to? It's not entertaining to watch and the viewer learns nothing from the experience. That last part is important too, anyone who has ever had to spend time to get good at anything ALREADY KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE. There's nothing insightful in a general sense at all about observing the process.

>>145312351
Hibike is a drama about giting gud right? I think that a better balance between character interaction and the struggle to git gud would make it more, well, balanced. Like I said, the way it is it's like just a boring SOL to me.

>>145312421
The obligatory "I don't even like x but even I y" post. All sweetened with the smug reaction image.

Funny how you argue against being sheep but still post like one.

>>145312168
>what's actually right.

Except, you are most definitely wrong, your denial is impressive in a pathetic way.

>>145312526
Have you ever actually seen the show? Band practice is by far the most common setting of the show and only a few episodes don't focus on music. I would say the balance is nearly perfect.

>>145312326
Sounds like you give too much of a shit about what other people think about your opinion, however stupid it may be.

>>145312604
Ever felt like you were right but you got told you were wrong on this image board? If not you're too early to even post.

>>145312516
They could just focus in more characters struggles then. Though, I'm not a director so my opinion doesn't matter anyway.

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>>145312568
Human interaction isn't as complex as you think it is. We're all sheep in a way, too often confined in our patterns and rituals.

>>145312568
Stop posting please.

>>145312326
>ignoring the rest of my post
>only quoting the part that allowed you to whine

But seriously, I've seen far worse when it comes to being swamped by morons with different opinions, the anons in this thread are actually talking to you and making mostly reasonable discussion. You're just afraid of replying to them. But we both know you're not going to distill the few arguments against you and reply to them, you're just going to continue to complain about how unfair it is to have a different opinion and send this discussion into a loop as some sort of manchild way of getting back at us for disagreeing with you.

>Best animation studio Kyoani.

>Implying madhouse isnt the best

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>>145312690

It's not because it looks simple that it is that simple.

>>145299557
The stories in some of their adapted in-house novels aren't very good but they don't have many left to animate so it's only a matter of time before they go back to fully relying on external properties to adapt. Violet Ever Garden should be interesting though, it seems to be the only good KyoAni novel.

>>145312658
Feelings does not equal knowing. You feel like you are right, but your arguments are pathetic and have been proven wrong over and over and over again. It's fine if you hate Kyoani and Hibike with every fiber of your being but please, stop embarrassing yourself

>>145312735
'old' Madhouse is piece of art.
'current' madhouse is piece of trash.
Maruyama influence in all of their adaptation qualities is just too big.

>>145312658
All you've managed to do for the latter half of this thread is complain about people disagreeing with you en-masse, instead of actually bothering to put together a rebuttal to any of the many arguments made.

You seem to have this image of yourself defiantly standing against an army of people who have wronged you.

In reality you're making a twat of yourself.

>>145312735
Madhouse has been okay at best and mostly mediocre ever since Maruyama left. The best recent thing they did was Hunter x Hunter but even then some people would argue that the first series was better-produced.

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>>145312313
It's only a 13 episode series, having nothing but struggle would make it monotone. Hibike had a nice pacing between SoL moments, serious episodes, practice, competitions and romance stuff. Besides, the main struggle of Kumiko resonates through the whole show and the individual struggles from supporting characters just help establish her character more.

https://u.pomf.is/mwqkye.webm

>>145312690
Don't need to be when you have a good amount of preparation time till you hit that submit button.
>>145312699
No one even tried to understand what I mean so it's entirely pointless to continue. Won't stop you guys to rain down your usual shit on the wounded dog to get high on that feeling of superiority though.

>>145312840
But their in-house material is ever growing, isn't it? Actually when I think about it like that, Kyoani being it's own editor feels like Shounen Jump catering to the DB-like shounen.

>>145312962
KyoAni doesn't have many novels left to adapt and they didn't even give any special mention awards for the latest round of their novel contest.

>>145312895
I was going to tell you're wrong but you're only talking about animation. So ok.

But lately, ever since Maruyama left actually, Madhouse put a lot more effort in animation.

HxH is far from their best thing of late, OPM is far better and Death Parade (and Death Billiards) is quite nice too.

But HxH is kinda ambitious in the way it's more or less consistent for 148 eps and has greatly animated scenes.

Parasyte however felt like a joke, so disappointing, the first ep was stunning but the rest...

>>145313008
> they didn't even give any special mention awards for the latest round of their novel contest.

>The staff thanked readers for their submissions but said they regrettably could not choose winners even though the submitted works went "one step beyond" in originality and entertainment. Unlike last year, the studio did award three "judge special awards" in the novel category this year in order to recognize this "one step beyond." These novels are: Eiji Yoshikawa's Kyōko-san, Fly, High, Makoto Ayano's Yoda-no-Mori Kyūdōjō , and Hoeru Arihiro's Kono Hoshizora ni wa Kimi ga Tarinai. (Note: The official romanized readings have not been revealed.)

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>>145312945
>Go easy on me, I can't deal with this many people making intelligent posts to counter my stupid and ill supported ones.

Here's another smug my friend

>>145312735
Old Madhouse was the best.

>>145310944
They've become less pretentious. I miss endless 8s. Most pretentious thing they've ever done, and I loved every second of it.

Yuribaiting should be abolished

>>145313042
OPM and Death Parade not and will never be representative of Madhouse's quality when so many animators who worked on it are not even studio regulars.

>>145312840
I think if Eupho or Koe no Katachi is any indication they might go after adaption rights for lesser demanded properties. Their writing contest has resulted in less than expected, they recently got rid of the scenario and manga categories and now have LN and short story categories only.

>>145313155
Yeah I know that. Still. If Madhouse regularly does that like A-1, don't see why it wouldn't be representative.

>>145313131
But without the yuribait, it's just be another decent high school anime.

>>145313098
Looks like I missed that round of the contest, my bad. We'll see if KyoAni will publish any of those novels then.

>>145313186
At least then it'd be honest

>>145313099
My dick is already lubed up with my tears and my rage boner is ready but that smug is too boyish for my tastes.

>>145313131
More like yurifags need to be abolished. From /a/.

>>145311409
Their characters look the exact fucking same since K-On. Their technical animation skills may be good, but they've lost all creativity as a studio.

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>>145313205
Here, how about now?

>>145311669
Kumiko is so great

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>>145313202
But the tears are delicious

>>145313344
Yeah, there hasn't been a ton of variety in designs over the past few years. Enough to tell the difference, but not much. From a technical standpoint they're amazing.

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>>145311669
KUMIKO is the most expressive character in anime history

>>145313344
Creativity doesn't boil down to character designs. Their character look similar because it's the same in-house designers doing them, all of SHAFT's anime would look similar as well if it was always Akio Watanabe doing the designs. All Bones shows would look similar if Hiro Kanzaki did all their characters.

>>145313344
All? No.
A lot? Yes.

Learn to nuance.

Also, they never had a lot of visual creativity, besides their flawless animation, use of blur, etc. Hyouka was the most creative thing they did since Nichijou which was just a nice SD comedy with exaggerated motion.

Before that there was only the giants in Haruhi that were kinda interesting, and some might say Kyon's introspection.

What's good in Kyoani is the way they handle the translation from text media to visual media.

I don't feel like judging Clannad as a whole, but the impact of a lot of scenes are no joke. It's a shitty VN. Same for Haruhi which come from a light novel. Nichijou is a yonkoma, 4 fucking panels.

They always do great translations to cinematography when there's so little source material.

Actually, Koe no Katachi might be the thing with the most original content (visually) to take from. But I think they're gonna hack it and make their own visual storytelling.

>>145313489
>>145313558
Aesthetic animation isn't the only quality of a studio. Kyoani's directorial creativity is shit and they're obsessed with making their characters "Pretty" at all times.

Can you imagine if they had done Re:Zero (which they actually had a chance to do, but turned down)? It would have been a fucking disaster. Subaru would have been a googly eyed fuck with very little range of emotion because of Kyoani's design, and everything would have felt overly grounded because of how limited their animation is.

I've already seen K-On, I don't need to see it 500 more times. It works for grounded slice of lifes, but combined with anything remotely outside that element falls flat. Kyoani is one-dimentional. Anything they've ever tried to do which wasn't a highschool drama has been awful.

>>145314086
Good thing they haven't done Re:Zero. They shouldn't taint their company with this trash

>>145314086
>I have not watched Hyouka the post

>>145314086
rezero is trash anyways

>>145314086
It's funny that you cite K-on as an example of how one dimensional they're style is when that show exhibits a great number of different emotional states.

>>145314086
>which they actually had a chance to do, but turned down
Source or bullshit

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>>145314086
You don't know what you're talking about, do you? And Reddit:Zero is garbage, why would they ever want to adapt it?

>>145314086
I can agree on that. So their main problem is character design.

I can find a good work but it's uncanny in a sense.

>>145314276
They would animate a good Leorio

>>145314129
Show me a single instance of a character in Hyouka, or any Kyoani show since 2010 making an unattractive facial emotion.

Profit: I've seen the show, so I already know you can't find one.

>>145314401
at least read the thread fucko >>145314276

>>145314276
Haruhi was good though. No problem with Kyoani creativity pre-K-On. K-On was fine for what it was, but everything after has been bland garbage.

>>145314445
Haruhi was before 2010 dipshit. My beef is with every Kyonani show after K-On.

I miss Hyouka. Hibike was okay but comparatively forgettable.

>>145314473
>>145314401
So your definition of creativity boils down to making characters have unappealing reactions?

>>145314473
I think it's more post-Nichijou.

Nichijou was overly cute but it was fitting. I think there're a lot of people saying that the commercial failure of Nichijou is what made KyoAni retract into the comfort, zero-risk zone (except that they went independant).

>>145314551
>My beef is with every Kyoani show after K-On

See >>145312296

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>>145314551
inb4 you move the goalpost

>>145314573
>I think there're a lot of people saying that the commercial failure of Nichijou is what made KyoAni retract into the comfort, zero-risk zone (except that they went independant).
That's the dumbest shit I've read today. First of all, people know jack shit about KyoAni's corporate decisions and secondly, the studio choosing to bet on unknown titles from their new publishing label is a risky move so it's daft to think that one show with mediocre sales pushed the studio to be so risk-adverse.

>>145314624
the series aired in 2006 though

>>145314555
He's talking about creativity limitations as a result of commercial strategy

KyoAni of before Nichijou were more "honest" with their designs, the people were always kinda cute but not overdone and overshown, there was often a story to serve.

Now it's rarely the case and the characters, each ones, are like mascots. Flanderization of their designs and characters, literally.

>>145314573
>I think there're a lot of people saying that the commercial failure of Nichijou is what made KyoAni retract into the comfort zone

And those people were wrong. The manga ranked quite high for a while after the show aired, and the anime sold 3k, which is average. The reason people bought into the Nichijou was a failure meme is because some Japanese animator posted about how in Kadokawa's report they said that Nichijou anime under-performed relative to the expectations and marketing they put into it.

>>145314691
so? it was post-k-on and post-clannad

>>145309407
Haruhi is science fiction, idiot. Episodes require basic understanding of quantum physics, for fuck's sake.

>>145314705
>He's talking
More like you

>KyoAni of before Nichijou were more "honest" with their designs
Using quotes won't make your argument any less retarded

>the people were always kinda cute but not overdone and overshown
You seem to completely forgot about Lucky Star. K-On and Key designs were arguably cutter than what we get today from them

Try harder.

>>145314858
Retard

>>145314555
It boils down at least feeling like I'm not watching a show I've already seen before.

I used to buy in to Kyoani hype back when they weren't multiple years removed from at least creating an unique show.

I'll never understand people who still defend Kyoani. Even the SHAFT internet defense force has more recent reasons to defend their studio, and they aren't nearly as weirdly fervent as the Kyoani white knights.

Why do people think K-ON was the turning point in KyoAni designs? Horiguchi isn't the only designer at KyoAni and she's not even with the studio any more. The other designers like Nishiya, Ikeda, and Kadowaki have designs that sure as hell don't look like Horiguchi's.

>>145314858
I'm glad they stopped adapting Key works. Even in anime form, the character designs looked disgusting.

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>>145314401
I like it when anti-KyoAni fags get blown out.

>>145314940
I think they're used to it by now

>>145314705
>KyoAni of before Nichijou were more "honest" with their designs, the people were always kinda cute but not overdone and overshown, there was often a story to serve.
A whole lot of buzzwords that mean nothing in the end. Well done.

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>>145314989
Why do they keep trying though?

>>145315004
Yeah I don't really want to go in depth with retards like you.

>>145314554
This.

>>145315051
>>145314940
Soooo unappealing.

>>145315051
>>145314940
hhahaaha

nanda kono kao, omoshiroooi

next

>>145314927
>Even the SHAFT internet defense force has more recent reasons to defend their studio
So you have a problem with Kyoani shows because they feel too similar but the people defending the studio that has literally been making the same show for nearly half a decade is fine.

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Now they're blatantly shitposting. These anti-KinoAni fags are very cancerous.

>>145299557
I hate fucking Niggers!

>>145314933
>Why do people think K-ON was the turning point in KyoAni designs?
Lucky Star was a definite turning point in KyoAni though, aesthetically.

>>145314473
>he didnt watch Nichijou

>>145315274
>>145315051
>>145314940
What you do not seem to get is that it's not enough to put a "funny weird face" once in a while to break your image of "perfect young guy" that seduce the female watching the show.

>>145314276
That's a believable moment for a character to look bad, looking pained, not at ease (of course he was just stabbed).

The thing is, there aren't characters like that anymore in KyoAni.

Tomoya from Clannad was relatable as human being. The guy from Hyouka is just a stereotype of lazy youngster "lol so cool he don't want to do efforts but he's so hot and talented!"

Tomoya and Kyon make you feel like there's something going on in their head, good and bad feelings. The girl from Euphonium is kinda like that too but not as much.

Any guys between Nichijou and Euphonium is just a fucking avatar made to represent one type of reaction (Hyouka being the less bad of them). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cyKZZMFE0

>>145315274
I am a Kyoanifag, you're just retards.

>>145314812
um

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>>145315583

>Can you imagine if they had done Re:Zero (which they actually had a chance to do, but turned down)? It would have been a fucking disaster. Subaru would have been a googly eyed fuck with very little range of emotion because of Kyoani's design

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>>145299557
I've seen manga with better animation than that.

>>145315639
U a NIGGER???? BOOOOOHHHHHH

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>>145315583
>The girl from Euphonium
>Doesn't even know her name but he claims to be a KyoAni fag

Okay, mr shitposter you can stop now.

>>145315786
Retard

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Another day, another anti-KyoAnifag/SHAFTshitter gets blown the fuck out.

>>145315998
>this webm is the only existing grimgar image still posted
It was such a comfy show too. S2 never.

Has Kyoani ever made an anime where a high school wasn't involved?

>>145315998
HOW DOES KYOANI DO IT?

>>145310705
it's a basic gesture. you are glamourizing something a menial as showing affection when that animation could have gone towards showing something far more dramatic all because there were more frames to it. it takes more than smoothness to make good animation. you have to look at what you're animating and think about what makes it worthwhile to see. a lot of kyoani's faults are in this area.

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>>145316294
AmaBuri's setting was the theme park but the MC was still a high schooler.

>>145307030
Precure is just background noise. Why not try to knock one out of the park and create a non-grimdark meguca which will be the next big thing?

>>145316294
VEG will be their first in a very, very long time. If they nail it, it will reshape the whole conversation around the studio.

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>>145316381
>could have gone towards showing something far more dramatic
Says who?

>a lot of kyoani's faults are in this area.
t. Someone who's never watched a KyoAni show

>>145316381
In other words, they should just animate action scenes and all character animation should be a slide-show

>>145316614
Those moves should have been for Rohan.

Also stop rejecting peoples claim by saying they haven't seen this or that because you're only ridiculing yourself.

>>145316719
That's how you provide maximum impact.

Kyoani is too good at animating everything which is a flaw.

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>>145316745

The thing is that you're a retard. Hibike or Hyouka for example have a lot of subtle character animation, while shows like Phantom World, Nichijou or Chuu2 had over the top, exaggerated animation, that KyoAni supposedly lacks according to you, because it lend itself to it.

>>145314086

And Violet Evergarden will be just as heavy handed.

>>145316294
This is why I'm bored of Kyoani. Violet Evergarden looks interesting.

>>145316893
It really doens't. The animation is super forced

>>145316951
>posting with such low effort

>>145299557
Is this yuri?

>>145315688
Any sane person would turn down that dumb edgy shit

What I'm really interested in is if the Bakuon rumors are just that and photoshop or if they have actual weight

>>145316981
Nothing stops moving. It's overbearing

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>>145312735
>implying it's not pic related

>>145317017
>What I'm really interested in is if the Bakuon rumors are just that and photoshop or if they have actual weight
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>145316831
I'm not the guy. But I didn't interpret his post as wanting only over the top animation (and it's not a secret anymore that they can do such things).

What he said is that in animation, there are things that are worth keeping from reality, and other things that can be skipped. What he says is that Kyoani, yeah, overdo its animation, which is in a sense good, but doesn't think enough about the actual emotion that those motions convey.

Even if I do not completely agree, as you said there are times where it's subtle and well done. Other times it's pointless (but it's still great to have such detailed movements).

BUT as >>145316783 said, to provide maximum impact it's also useful to have moment of "less" to make the "most" shine more.

>>145317039
I know right? And what's with all those CGI letters and pieces of typewriters falling everywhere, I can't watch a show with that happening it will just get in the way

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>>145317017
Probably Photoshop, Everyone can see how the KyoAni storyboards look and print them. That Bakuon image looked way too clean as well.

>>145317059
There were rumors and images of KyoAni sketches of them doing Bakuon a fair time before the announcement that TMS is the Studio doing it

It's been roughly 8 months since then but it hasn't been cleared up if it was just a photoshop or KyoAni looking into adapting a K-ON! parody

>>145317139
Those will obviously not be in the anime. The thing was just a promotional video.

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>>145317147
>follow

>>145317198
that's the joke
I'm mocking people complaining about the video

>>145317139
>CGI

But it is only a demonstration, the actual show won't be that animated. Kyoukai no Kanata CM was the same (and it was great).

Okay, I'm not hating Kyoani or anything, but why do you guys so sure if VEG story is not complete shit like any recent Kyoani adaptations?

Don't bring the 'award winning' bullshit, anon. Last time I check KnK, Chu2, & Myriad are still shit, unlike Hibike.

>>145317172
Bakuon is of super bad taste, KyoAni wouldn't have adapted it.

>>145317095
Jeez, you make it sound like KyoAni shows are animated like Disney films. KyoAni productions have plenty of animation downtime as well just like pretty much every other anime, it's just that sometimes they put a bit more effort into the ordinary sequences as well.

>>145317264
>why do you guys so sure if VEG story is not complete shit like any recent Kyoani adaptations?
We have a pastebin of spoilers for the first volume, also there is a link to a translation of the first chapter ITT.

Although desu you could kind of tell even without the spoilers, just from the premise, that it was much more interesting material than recent kyoani fare.

>>145308504
>Classy and "deep" show about loss death and shit
>muh serious anime and serious studio
Pretentious.

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>>145317172
Are you retarded or something? It was a blatantly obvious fake, how could you not realise that by now?

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>>145317264
KnK, Chuu2 and Phantom World didn't win. And Chuu2 was actually great, S2, KnK and PW not as much but still OK.

>>145317289
>talking shit about Bakuon

You're KyoAnitarded, and I say that as someone who watched the Free! movie in a cinema with official subs and realized halfway through it that there is no plot except for super shitty and Kimi ga Nozomu Eien tier horrible drama that is so dumb it hurts your brain

>>145309516
"Kyoani dick sucking expert"

>>145308481
That would actually go to Sousei no Onmyouji's OP.

https://sakuga.yshi.org/data/9ce7bd971e5c96b1bd906d589e32c499.webm

>>145317337
>just from the premise, that it was much more interesting material than recent kyoani fare.
I agree, It looks very interesting, but saying thing like 'VEG will reshape Kyoani in general' is just too much in my opinion.

>>145317366
Yeah I mean Chu2 2.
Chu2 1 was enjoyable.

>>145299557
I don't really care about their animation simply because the story is awful. Literally cute girls doing things.

Waifufags love it, I simply don't care.

>>145317536
There are some cool things done with camera movement in this, but no single length of hand drawn animation that you could actually put in a webm by itself and be impressed by.

>>145317644
You are wrong. But whatever, I don't care about you

>>145315251
>Monogatari
>Madoka
>Denpa Onna
>Sasami-san
>Koufuku Graffiti
>3gatsu
>the same show

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>>145317312
I think the thing about KyoAni aside from having a bit more animation than average is their use of different camera shots and angles. A few years ago I tried comparing a couple episodes of Hyouka with another show airing that season and Hyouka had roughly the same amount of individual cuts of a live action TV series. That means more individual character and background drawings in different perspective and distances during almost every cut, so KyoAni shows tend to feel more dynamic.

>>145317716
Sod off. Miso's cuts are godly. The end.

https://sakuga.yshi.org/data/01dd8ff9a8adb3e5b70629bd8751643a.mp4

>>145312152
This. KyoAni fags and haters eats bait up like it's nothing.

>>145318042
Because the matter is actually interesting.

>>145317536
this guy fucks

>>145318103
Fucking KyoAni fags, can't take one second off without jerking it off huh.

>>145318107
>>>/tv/

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>>145317765
Didn't you know that head tilts make every show the same?

>>145299557
>mediocre
More like garbage

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>>145318107

>>145317095

To those who think forced animation is just a meme...

http://talking-time.net/showthread.php?t=14002

"Oh boy, Bluth. I know I've mentioned it at least once or twice before on TT back in the day, but hey, it's appropriate to bring it up again. One of the animation professors I had back in college was ex-Disney, he was a 2D animator who worked on a lot of their films for years and years. He started there in the early '80s when Bluth still worked at Disney, and he hated Bluth. He distinctly remembers Don Bluth having a group of friends/followers in a sort of clique in the animation department, who were very haughty and unpleasant to everybody else. The group also liked to 'outdo' each other with their animation, trying to trump each other with intricacy and stuff. The whole group left with Bluth when he did.

My prof still wanted to give him a chance and went to see Secret Of NIMH in theaters when it came out, but he walked out after about ten minutes. His reason: "The damn crow wouldn't stop moving". He always stressed how there was a time and place for certain animation and how animators needed to know when to not animate, and Bluth's over-animation of everything drove him crazy."

And on page 6...

"Man, I've never had a problem with so-called "over-animation" before, but it's amazing how many contrivances Bluth uses to keep his heroine constantly moving here. Like, she says, "Could you say that a little slower?" while making this really weird waving gesture with her hands. A moment later, she says, 'Maybe I should take notes' and actually pantomimes writing on her hand, the way no one does."

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I love GodAni threads

>>145318473
There is a world of difference between what Bluth does and what KyoAni does.

>>145318473
Phantom World=A Troll in Central Park. The only way for them is up now.

>>145311487
Also Free ES

>>145318585
Yeah Kyoani's better.

>>145317617
>saying thing like 'VEG will reshape Kyoani in general' is just too much in my opinion.
I don't think anyone said it will reshape KyoAni but the discussion around them will change, at least here. The whole conversation about KyoAni is within the limits of their source material. These threads always cycle around the same points of how everything they produce is cute girl(/boy) shit, they don't tackle particularly challenging stories or settings, they keep putting out dumb comedies or teenage dramas, they aren't using their animation powers for good or whatever the fuck.
Meanwhile VEG brings an alternate history setting, bleak tone and tragic subject matter, individual stories looking at various themes and a wide range of characters, an overall thoughtful pace but with big action elements, it's like the thing people have wanted them to make for ages. Even if they completely fuck it up and make it boring, it will change the kinds of arguments people have about them just by being such a big break from the pattern.

>>145318933
Yeah, interesting.

If they fuck it up, what do you think will be fucked?

>All this Re:Zero posts.

http://pastebin.com/1bXqCLPt

Violet Evergarden will provide.

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>Kyoani Vs Shaft
What actually happens

>>145318545
>Godani

Which Shinto god is responsible for sewers and waste management?

Is there any Kyoani anime that doesn't have a school in it?

>>145319340
That would be shaft

>>145319377
That would be out of the comfort zone, so no.

>>145304566
Honestly yeah, it's pretty obvious that KyoAni is setting their sights overseas now. With Koe no Katachi being oscarbait and VEG's story.

>>145319558
>Honestly yeah, it's pretty obvious that KyoAni is setting their sights overseas now. With Koe no Katachi being oscarbait and VEG's story.


holy shit you're straight retarded

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>>145308151
Musaigen was an unexpected curveball that ended up being fun (although it did get shitposted to death by the haters). After the initial wave of negativity they went away and threads actually became comfy.

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>>145319453
>mfw there's a middle-age education institution in VEG.

>>145319714
There is?

>>145319558
>Oscarbait
Nope. Not gonna happen.
I'm not implying that movie is bad.
Kyoani can't even be nominated unless they're distributed by Jewsney.

>>145299557
>best animation of all time
Have you never seen SEVEN YEARS HAND DRAWN?

>>145320210
Well kyoani's better

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>>145319621
>>145319829
It's pretty sad, but KnK isn't being promoted overseas at all. If it does well in Japan and gets some international attention we may see.

>>145321022

Limited western screening please. For fucks sakes.

>>145299557
>kyoani
>best animation
>of all time

I really can't believe I just read this.

Why couldn't they let KyoAni animate the new Berserk anime? It's not fair when you see moe shit like Love Live have movie quality animation and a masterpiece like Berserk looks like it was created by some random faggot from Deviant Art using MS Paint

>>145299557
>mediocre stories
Hibike is their best work of 2010s yet. It's actually not mediocre compared to most of their other LN adaptations.

>>145322122
Who's better? Disney? Gainax?