Kill la Kill

Seriously? It's literally right in front of you. Look at the image you posted.

>>145293258
Fight against fashcism.

>>145293258
It's all about staying true to the path you see before you, to not falter, to not stray and most of all to not loose your way.

>>145293258
It was an attack on the fashion industry and how it markets itself, especially to women.

>>145293258
dont lose your waaaaaaaaaaay

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>>145293258
It's about the red thread of fate, the bond between people (like TTGL was a spiral, the progress ever continuing progress of a human being) Ryuko overcomes her internal struggle and validates her existence through her everdeveloping relationship with Senketsu, who mirrors her own existential crisis. This is a the fate forced on them by the life fibers (the red string of fate) but also something they chose for themselves time and time again. Those same red threads bind everyone I'm the show together.

>>145293258
Given the first few episodes I would have told you it was a bildungsroman told from the perspective of a female kind of like how flcl was the same style of story from a male perspective. It had shades of that towards the end as well.

>>145293258
I think it was about fun.

>>145293258
>fanservice

it's a show that wraps half naked women into a wacky plot about a school syndicate that ends in alium clothes being the driving force.

if you don't get that theme you are severely retarded.

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>>145293258
Overcoming loss, moving on with your life, and growing up as a woman.

Don't try to help you'll only make things worse.

>>145294148
Read this>>145293928
If you didn't get that your severely retarded

>tfw everyone coming up with different answers

KLK doesn't have one theme, it has a bunch of them. But the whole fanservice thing was
>don't be ashamed of your body/yourself
With a bunch of metapors for growing up and finding your place in the world (kamui relationships were sex/marriage)

>>145293258
spoiler that shit for christ sake

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>>145293258
Don't lose your weight.

>>145293258
believe it or not, the anime theme is the most feminist anime in history.

>>145294148

Yea and moby dick was about a man hunting a whale.

>>145293258
it must be calming living with a low IQ.

>>145295262
I thought it was about Moby's dick?

>>145295197
How can such degeneracy exist?

>>145295479
DeviantArt

>>145293258
Being comfortable with yourself. And friendship. I think.

Growing up you're extremely self conscious about your body by by the end it's just a natural thing.
At the start, Senketsu's look makes everyone stop and stare at Ryukko and she's weakened by embarrassment. By the end, Sasuki's full body naked and it's only treated like a serious moment, and the naked finale pile is just treated like a happy ending.

It's just fanservice and waifu pandering, there is nothing else.

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>>145293258

There is nothing more.

Every person who says otherwise is either lying or a plain retard.

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>>145295962

Quality-wise the anime is ok, looks good and has some good fights, but they're at the service of nothing, if you ever watched a shonen in your life you know what to expect in KLK, KLK is just a shonen with tits.

Do try to prove me wrong.

I don't wish it never happened, because it has some hot characters that I can read doujins of, I guess that's the biggest plus it has.

>>145293258
You can't change the establishment by acting as a part of it.

>>145295890
Maybe your not looking hard enough

>>145293258
why do you care about themes

klk was a fun watch and especially the early /a/ threads were great

that fucking first episode evening

>>145296130
>It's just a [boy's anime]

If you mean a battle shonen, it still really isn't. It's only, what, 26 episodes? It's not like one of those long running SJ manga where every few chapters a new enemy appears to fight x 1000.

KLK shares a lot more in common with school battle manga and anime (there's a difference) and that sort of thing from the 70s and 80s.

>>145293387

So literally TTGL?

>>145296811

>maybe your not looking hard enough
>maybe your not looking
>your not looking
>your

English please.

>>145296968
Nah, TTGL was about knowing your limits.

>>145297019
No it was about fuck limits you can go all the way

>>145297241
And then Nia died.

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At first I thought it was going to be something deep about faschism, but that was quickly abandoned. Then it became about accepting yourself and red string of fate bullshit, but ultimately I think the writers gave up, especially with the ending scene of cute girls doing cute things. A rather apt progression that reflects the shallowness of modern anime?

>>145297377
He can always bring her back if he wanted

>>145297390
>faschism
Fashionable fascists?

>>145297390
you just overthink shit. It's an anime where scantly dressed girls fight in over the top ways. It may have a few underlying themes but overall it's just light fun, not every anime ever made is trying to be LotgH

>>145297475
But he didn't. Because he knew his limits. And then a new generator took over. Because he knew his limits.

>>145297726
The entire idea is based on the pun that fashion and fascism are similar.

>>145297880
But getting there he said fuck them

>>145297961
Yeah and that's all there is.
Doesen't mean that it was trying to be the great gatsby of our generation.
Almost every piece of narrative that exists has at least a theme to it, doesen't mean that it's trying to be deep or anything else but simple entertainment.

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>>145297691
Everybody loves to remember fashionable fascists.

I thought Kill la Kill was satire?

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This show is shit but having some one-sentence moral isn't what makes art good.or deep anyway.

>>145298105
That's true.

I meant "generation" in the previous post, by the way.

Kill la kill is a secret plot to make people read Thomas Carlyle's "Sartor resartus".

The Neoreactionaries and Nippon Kaigi are behind this, mark my words.

>>145297390
That wasn't the ending scene, that was the credits, a cute epilogue.

>>145295684
How is that the theme when it's only relevant in the first three episodes? Ryuko doesn't even have any epiphany about her body image in those episodes, the reason she gets over her embarrassment is because she realize that Senketsu was trying to form a relationship with her and she stops pushing him away.

>>145300307
>Ryuko doesn't even have any epiphany about her body image in those episodes
Did you fell asleep while watching episode 3? That was the whole point of that episode.

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>>145293258
I rewatch kill la kill it fucking stupid.

>>145293258
Is nudity an empowering personal statement, or degrading fanservice? It's both. Is power an corrupting influence or a gateway to positive change? It's both. Kill La Kill is full of these kinds of dual themes.

>>145293258
Well saying excluding fanservice is a bit hard, because the fanservice was part of it.

The theme was that clothes and decorations aren't what define you, and you shouldn't be ashamed of, ignore or hide what is underneath, but that you should strive to become the best version of yourself, rather than a 'pig fawning over human clothing'.

pretty simple really.

>>145298452
It was.

>>145293258
Clothes = bad
Nacked = good
very deep

>>145293355
>fashcism
Not sure is spelling error or good pun.

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>>145295197
>don't lose your way
>not don't lose your weight

>>145301490
Huuuuuh?

>>145293673
I heard this + a critique on wearable technology.

>>145293258
clothes are evil because alien material.

It's about violation of femininity, power of sluttiness, how society forces its expectation on women to act as the 'good girl' Satsuki and messy menstruation.

Coming of age story that revolves around the themes of family values versus social (and later natural) hierarchy, but is also loaded with intentionally uncomfortable, almost schizophrenic at times references to puberty, menstruation, female sexuality and the loss of innocence

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>those Mako paintings ;_;

>>145301783
Whoever told you that massively missed the point that they would have been utterly obliterated in seconds if they didn't take advantage of the wearable technology. And this point is pushed hard from episode 1.

>>145300385
Did you finish reading that post? It totally wasn't the point of that episode.

>>145300982
But the two heroes who save the world are made of clothes. None of the naked human characters do anything but fight fodder.

>>145295262
let me be completely honest
was moby dick actually about anything more than "a man hunting a whale"?
What thematic depth does Moby Dick contain that would not be present in any other account of a man hunting a whale? Other than the cumulative dickriding of centuries of litcrit hacks, why is the story any deeper than "man hunts whale, as told by Herman Melville"

>One of the early critics of the Melville Revival, British author E. M. Forster, remarked in 1927: "Moby-Dick is full of meanings: its meaning is a different problem."
yeah, well you know what else is full of meanings, my limp otaku cock

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>>145301783
I'm pretty sure this show was already airing before smartwatches were a thing.

>>145302780
It was her embarrassment that stopped her from forming a relationship with senketsu. The very reason why she always blushed after transforming, but didn't do it afterwards anymore. Why she questioned Satsuki not being embarrassed and Makos speech about getting naked.

>>145302061
>>145302270
>>145300773
>>145300825

Unless the creators actually come out and admit the themes they put in the show, I think we are all just grasping at straws

>>145303231
Doesn't matter. All that matters is the thing itself.

Most good creators don't consciously put themes in anyway, they develop during the process.

>>145302935

>In 2013, the claim to first ever smartwatch to capture the full capability of a smartphone was laid by startup Omate with the TrueSmart. The TrueSmart originated from a Kickstarter campaign which raised over 1 million dollars, making it the 5th most successful Kickstarter to date. The TrueSmart made its public debut in early 2014.


>aired in Japan between October 4, 2013 and March 28, 2014.

Accounting for the pre-production writing time that apparently involved redoing significant sections of the script and designs such as flipping characters genders, unless Trigger are big on tech they were just ahead of that wave.

>>145303115
That's why she was embarrassed, but she doesn't get over her embarrassment because she's become comfortable with being naked, she gets over her embarrassment because she realized getting naked, and becoming one was her way of connecting with him.

The distinction is that body image has nothing to do with this show from this point on but wearing Senketsu has everything to do with the show from that point on.

>>145302900
>was moby dick actually about anything more than "a man hunting a whale"

Yes because the author wrote the story with symbolizim in mind and not making it just about the whale hunt

>>145303515
Same thing.

>>145303515
>but she doesn't get over her embarrassment because she's become comfortable with being naked
Is in this context the same thing as
>because she realized getting naked, and becoming one was her way of connecting with him

>The distinction is that body image has nothing to do with this show from this point on but wearing Senketsu has everything to do with the show from that point on
Because she got over her embarrassment.

I get the feeling that you are reading more into this than I do.

>>145293258
fashion representing your social rank

KLK, like Evangelion and TTGL, is just a series of homages to mecha shows loosely strung together into something that resembles a story.

>>145304021
How...in the fuck...is KLK...a homage...TO FUCKING MECHA!!!
TTGL-yes
EVA - no : it took the stupid concept of putting little boys in robots and correctly showed what would really happen, they would flip shit

>>145295197
DELET THIS

>>145303478
While that's true, if they have something in mind any part of the direction from the colors used in a scene to the camera angels, costume design, and so on can further a theme. Those can be unconscious sometimes too, though.

>>145295388
somebody defending the depth of klk with a comment like this is the kind of entertainment you can only get on /a/

>>145293258
Was this show made for boys but with its themes ended up drawing in female likes or do you think it was meant for girls the whole time

Or it's meant for both and that's the genus of trigger trying to get the largest audience possible

>>145304152
>EVA - no : it took the stupid concept of putting little boys in robots and correctly showed what would really happen, they would flip shit

That's a trope popularized by MSG 16 years (and then again by Zeta) before Evangelion came out. Evangelion was just revisiting it because Anno is a huge mecha fan.

>>145304412
It wasn't made for anyone specifically, really, but their audience is probably predominantly male. I get the impression the shows Trigger makes are just what they're into themselves. It can appeal to anyone.

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>>145295197
BEFORE
I EXERCIIIISE

>>145304619
Yeah, that's true, not that it devalues Eva at all. People complain about Shinji but it's not like pilots before him haven't had the same reaction.

>>145304644
Is this supposed to be a "Before my Body is Dry" joke? Work on it. Maybe something about thighs.

>>145304152
>Eva - no
Good to know you've never watched any mecha series in your life

KLK is a direct homage to Mazinger and Cutie Honey as well as countless school battle anime that existed alongside it

>>145303745
She got over her embarrassment to be with him, being self conscious about her body stopped being a factor from that point on. Saying that growing up self conscious of your body is the theme of the show actually is reading into it too much.

>>145304412
It's made for loser otaku who happened to like Trigger enough to watch whatever they make

No one under the age of 14-16 should even be aware that it exists

>>145294188
Are those SWAT signals

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>>145304772
You needed so long to answer, but came up with so little.

post more butt

It's pretty much just "clothes don't make the man", don't judge a book by it's cover, don't give in to peer pressure, embrace your own style.

Etc

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>>145305081
You got it

>>145303231
read some barthes you fucking plebe

>>145304152
There are references to mecha shows out the ass. Particularly things they worked on.

>Houka's first probe regalia is Asuka's test plug suit with a recolor and keyboard attachments.

>Honnouji's symbol is the Space force military insignia from Gunbuster upside down.

>Mako poses once over the Ideon symbol from Space force Ideon

>Nonon's final uniform is pretty damn similar to infinite stratos IS gear, her first uniform was a flying tank.

>Gurren Lagaan refrences from Boota cameo to large form covers kamina glasses, free square.

>Ryuko and Senketsu's reunion transformation after the "edge arc" was very much a typical "robot parts combine to form larger robot" style transformation complete with lens flare as her head popped out of the collar last.

>Ragyo pulling her heart out surrounded by orange tendrils to end the war is a mirror to Musashi tomoe's death in Getter Robo which was pulling out his core which saved the world.

>>145305167
That doesn't make it an homage to mecha you idiot. That's just being self-referential

>>145293258
I think one of the themes is that dictators are always assassinated by those close to them

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Anime needed saving and KLK stepped up to plate and hit one out of the ballpark

Clothes don't make the person.

why does a anime need to have a message?

Why not just read a book?

>>145293258
U can have good fanservice without nipples

>>145305167
>>Ragyo pulling her heart out surrounded by orange tendrils to end the war is a mirror to Musashi tomoe's death in Getter Robo which was pulling out his core which saved the world.
Ragyo's final form was literally the Zeong. DTR combi robo was ChoRyuJin.

>>145305326
>Why does a book have to have a message?
>Why not just watch an anime

Completely arbitrary

>>145305383
Oh, and the ending was straight ripped from Kamen Rider OOOs and/or Da Garn

>>145304921
What more do you want?

>>145293258
Kind of the same as TTGL determined people who push themselves to the limits get far

>>145305277
But clothes saved mankind from clothes.

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Can we talk about how every Nuifag has shit taste in anime girls across the board?

This show has best girls for days, and you pick the one-dimensional, batshit crazy girl?

>>145302900
>t. fucking moron

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>>145303745
How are those the same? Ryuko is not learning to be comfortable with herself she's learning to be comfortable with Senketsu. Becoming comfortable with someone then becoming better people for each other and having self confidence to strut your stuff are fundamentally different messages. The latter is more like TTGL, the former is KLK.

>>145305613
I'm not a Nuifag, but she is adorable. Second to Mako in cuteness.

>>145306170
Because to be comfortable with synchronizing with Senketsu she had to be comfortable with the fact she had to be semi naked.

Also
>I can't into subtext

You seem to be forgetting Senketsu isn't a person, he's a sailor uniform only she can hear.

>>145293258
Ryuko has a fat ass

>>145305210
>Homage (/ˈhɒmᵻdʒ/ or /ˈɒmᵻdʒ/) is a show or demonstration of respect or dedication to someone or something, sometimes by simple declaration but often by some more oblique reference, artistic or poetic. The term is often used in the arts for where one author or artist shows respect to another by allusion or imitation; this is often treated and pronounced as the French hommage.

>Multiple interviews they stated that old 80's Anime was their inspiration.
>References loads of Mecha in multiple ways.

Discrediting their own stuff (TTGL, Gunbuster, hell throw in Anno's full works because they were all under Gainax). How is it NOT an homage when they are literally just paying respects to and referencing the works of Yoshiyuki Tomino, Tomoharu Katsumata, and others?

>>145306527
He is a person, in Ryuko's own words. He's the same as she is, hes in the same position as her, that's emphasized throughout the series.

>>145306978
>Ryuko's own words
'people are people and clothes are clothes' comes to mind.

Again you can't seem to comprehend anything beyond its literal surface value.

>>145307085
And you can't cherry pick lines, Ryuko and Senketsu are people and clothing. They both say this in that same speech, "We are everything" comes to mind.

>>145302900
Icy? You're alive?

>>145307185
>And you can't cherry pick lines

And neither can you. They are synchronized.

>>145307310
What is your point? Being life fiber synchronized means they're two people who become one. Incidentally both Ryuko and Senketsu say they're both human and clothing before they're synchronized too, when they're fighting Ragyo separately.

>>145307421
When Senketsu Giga Drill Breaker's Ragyo, he says he realized when Satsuki heard his voice that he is the same as Ryuko, both human and clothing, that is why Koketsu Absolute Domination doesn't work on him, that is why he can fight just like her.

Even if you somehow missed the fact that he's one of the main characters, who lives and breathes, you can't ignore that he's a person when he gives a speech about it.

>>145296967
Battle shonen isn't a measure of length.

best hmanga for kill la kill?

>>145307421
My point is your taking everything at face value, when the anon you were originally arguing with clearly wasn't.

I tried to clue you in and you just went, hurpy durp Senketsu can speak to Ryuko because he has her DNA.

But okay on surface level

>Ryuko and Senketsu say they're both human and clothing before they're synchronized too.

I don't believe you, I'm pretty sure they said they were neither, and that they were synchronized at the time.

Ryuko and Senketsu are not the same thing, Ryuko is a human with life fibers and Senketsu is a Sailor uniform with some of Ryuko's DNA to help them synchronize.

Feel free to prove me wrong, I'm not unreasonable.

>>145293258
>What was the theme of this besides fanservice?
Female empowerment.

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>>145293258

It's literally one of the better anime in the last decade or so. If only those Re:Zero and Raildex drinkers could pull their LNs out of their asses and watch a real anime like this series, their balls would drop and then they could finally leave their mother's basement.

>>145293258
Teenage girls going through puberty rebelling against their mother. The fact that Senketsu is fueled by blood is a reference to period blood. The girls are trying to find their own style separate from their mother by wearing the Kamui which are basically the equivalent of slutty clothes that teenage girls wear to piss off their parents.

>>145308123
Anon just pointing out that their parent's made those Kamui specifically for them.

>>145308195
Stop it, you're ruining my theory. In that case, I guess it's just about them coming to terms with their sexuality.

Does anyone else agree that this is the best song/scene in the show?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIHMsL-cQzw

>>145308123
I think the blood= menstration is a bit loose as well. I don't really see the connection, period blood isn't life blood.

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>>145308323

It was decent, but I liked Satsuki and Ryuko teaming up against Ragyo better.

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>>145307953
Neither human and clothing, both somewhere in between. Senketsu is as much of a person as Ryuko, even if he was born a sailor uniform. He does say so himself, >>145307763 in that scene.

How is this even a question? You sound like Tsumugu the cynical man who gets proven wrong by Senketsu and Ryuko.

>>145308323
Why did Senketsu have to die?

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Imagine if Trigger decided to do full fanservice for KLK. The fight vs Gamagoori would look a little like this. Unf.

>>145307824
Kiss La Kiss

>>145308540
When you are saying person you are evidently meaning as in persona. Which is true, Senketsu is a personified Sailor Uniform.

When I am saying person, I mean Homo Sapiens.

Senketsu still accepts that he is a Sailor Uniform worn by a human, Ryuko, even if they are augmented by eachother.

And I'm sure you missed the subtext about growing up in that scene your picture is showing as well.

>>145308616
So that Ryuko could live

>>145308773
that is fucking noice

>>145308936
Senketsu trying to comfort Ryuko only humanized him more. In the end Ryuko keeps on wearing Senketsu inside her heart and Senketsu becomes a star, no matter how you look at it he's not just a mere sailor uniform he's a person to her, someone that completes her.

>>145309155
How can you miss the point like this? Are you doing this on purpose?

And not once have I used the word mere or anything like it.

>>145293258
Main theme was to make the best Sonic Adventures 2 adaptation.

>>145309356
Because, dude, your boiling down a character down to a single line. Yes, it's like with TTGL, the main character loses someone at the beginning of the show and the end of the show and the way they handle it shows how they've grown, but Senketsu's bond with Ryuko is also shown to be invincible and even after he dies; Ryuko still keeps wearing him in her heart because he was someone she cared about.

>>145308123
What a tetarded interpretation

>>145309155
At least in a way he's still alive makes me happy

>>145310155
We've already established that you were meaning persona and I was meaning human, correct?

I am not boiling a character down to a single line, quite the contrary, that is exactly what it looks like your doing to me.

And your still missing the point. I'm not sure how to explain it to you.

Though this argument is a pointless tangent based on a nitpick anyway.

I wonder where the original guy you were arguing with went. Just so you know my first reply was >>145306527 in case you thought its been the same anon the whole time.

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>>145293258
wtf was this shit?
everything was bad.

>>145293258
if they were aiming for fanservice they made a terrible job. Only scene i found arousing was Ryukko showing panties on pajamas

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>>145311730
I found Satsuki arousing.

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>>145311816
You and me both senpai.

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>>145305613
She was the only enjoyable character in the show besides the E4. Without her the whole show would have been an eternal series of MATOI RYUKO KIRYUIN SATSUKI over and over again with an occasional annoying Mako to ruin the tension with no relief. She was the perfect foil to the rest of the cast and was a sinister threat as the Darth Vader to Ryuko's Luke.

>>145312627
>He doesn't like Nudist Beach characters.

>>145312961
>NUUDISTO BICHU!