Just finished The Idolmaster series. Is Cinderella Girls worth watching?
I'd say yes, but be aware that it's very different in many aspects. The original gave every girl almost equal amount of screentime, while CG focuses mostly on the main trio with an occasional episode dedicated to a secondary cast member. So, while the three main girls get a lot of development, the rest of the cast is very uneven. The tone is also very different. CG is much more... I don't wanna say "realistic", but it's a little bit more down to earth. Basically, don't expect anything as over the top as Azusa's or Hibiki's episode. The "Antagonist" is much more compelling in CG, in my opinion. Instead of comically evil Kuroi CG has this cold, calculating, director who thinks that she knows a better way to manage the idols. And final difference is between the agencies. While 765 was almost casual and felt like an old office run by a handful of people, 346 is a frigging corporation with hundreds of employees and a giant castle of a building.
Basically, The Original is very casual, a bit over the top, and gives all girls almost equal amount of screentime. Cinderella girls is more "professional", down to earth, and focuses more on the main trio.
I hope it helps. While I still prefer The Original over CG, I still enjoyed the sequel quite much and you will surely find new idols to love (Ranko and Mika are the best).
No it's fucking pathetic.
Not one single CG matches up to 765.
Adding to this anon, the Producer is actually a main character here instead of like in the original where he sometimes relevant and sometimes he's gone or basically becomes a background character. He has a background story, actual personality instead of just a "nice guy", actual role to the team (shown his ideas several times to support his idols) and even a character development. .
I found the second season really lacking, it got too serious especially in Uzuki's arc (which span, what, three episodes? Damn) But the first season is nice I guess. Packed in one it's just a mediocre show.
Also >>145276275 anon you got some nice taste.
I thought it was surprisingly well done, considering it has to deal with Cinderella Girls' overly gimmicky characters, and I quite like the producer, but the first series is still better.
Yes. I honestly prefer Cinderella Girls. I think the only thing the 2011 Anime has over it is that each girl gets more screen time and it has better animation. But I prefer the majority of the CG girls and prefer the writing in CG.
Worth watching for the demons alone. Semen demons galore. Elementary school, middle school, high school, college, cakes, it's got it all.
There's some drama that kind of drags the show, but I've rewatched it recently, and it's fun watching the idols interact with each other. If you get deeper into the black hole that is [email protected], you can appreciate the non-main cast members and their cameos too.
I honestly prefer Broducer over P-kun. He's just more competent, likable and confident. But yeah, P-kun is more of a character with not only a certain arc, but also with an implication of having a relationship with The Director, which I frigging loved. God, I'd love to see two of them on a date or something.
Broducer is much more interesting after they gave him more focus in the manga and in the nomakes that aired when the original is re-running. The manga gave him a lot more importance like with AmiMami, Hibiki, and I believe Haruka's chapter also has a bit of his involvement. The nomakes told us how he got to 765pro.
I just want him interacting and having more roles in the idols' development. Mind you, I don't need him to console the idol one on one like in that Yukiho episode. He can do some background ideas shit like TakeP did (Assterisk drama in second season, saving Nana and the other idols in her division, pitching the idea of that Kirari and lolis show). I'm okay with him doing minor but relevant stuff instead of doing his "managing job" off screen and then suddenly saving Haruka and jumping into a hole in the penultimate episode.
>He's just more competent
You're talking about a guy who constantly fucks up scheduling and has to rely on Ritsuko as a backup to cover up.
Cinderella Producer on the other hand did nothing wrong. His paperwork and planning skills are top notch. His problem though is his personality and the girls.
The difference between the two is that Broducer handled seasoned idols. While not successful or popular, they were already operating for a while as idols and have accustomed themselves to most of the professional responsibilities of their job. Thus, they were more patient and accommodating towards him and easier to handle. It also helped that all the girls were well acquainted to each other prior so they had some rapport with each other already. The newbie in that group was actually Broducer. Not to mention he was only responsible for 9 girls.
Meanwhile, Cinderella Producer handled a bunch literal newbies to the idol world. 14 of them. They were girls that were still antsy and green to the idol world. Not to mention that the girls didn't know each other that well yet, so they didn't quite have strong emotional rapports early in the story.
The flaw with the Cinderella Producer was that he was professional. Too Professional. He did the technical aspects of his job perfectly, but he forgot to consider the feelings of his girls. And that led to alot of problems.
This is why I like CG better than 2011. In 2011, all the girl's friendship was a pre-established thing and they all warmed up to Producer practically instantly. You don't really see them grow together that much.
On the other hand, you actually see the Cinderella Project fuck up and be awkward with each other. You see Cinderella Producer slowly try and build up the trust with his idols. And the Cinderella Project idols too, you see them change from a bunch of co-workers who ended up together by circumstance into a bunch of good friends.
>The original gave every girl almost equal amount of screentime
This is my favorite meme about the 2011 anime.
I remember how Yukiho got that one awkward YAAAYY scene in episode, Hibiki got shoved off a goddam cliff in her own fucking starring episode and how Takane did nothing of note except eat ramen and be weird.
And ultimately, they were promptly forgotten by the entire series outside the mandatory group appearance scenes every few episode or so.
In related news, Platinum Stars is being torn apart as a half-made grindfest of a game that is a step down from previous games in nearly everything but graphics.
I hope you like DLC, because Scamco is gonna rape your ass with it.
it has Anya and Minami. is it not enough for you?
Watch it. Watch it for Rin! She deserves nothing but your full attention.
You're not getting the full experience unless you do.
solidly not as good unfortunately
[email protected] is a good anime. Cinderella girls is a pretty good idol anime if you liked the original [email protected]
the cast just isn't anywhere near as good
CG has a completely different vibe to the main series. The original felt comfy, almost like a SoL (but crucially maintained an overarching plot to keep things moving forward). CG lacks this and for me this was enough to make CG significantly inferior.
Also, CG has worse girls and worse music.
Excellent analysis, anon. The size of 346 was one of the reasons CG didn't feel as comfy or "warm" as the original anime - it just felt too cold, clinical, and big.
>I think the only thing the 2011 Anime has over it is that each girl gets more screen time and it has better animation
Really? I thought they were about the same.
1, 2, kiss kiss.
CG Girls are much lewder.
Aside from Nanairo Button and Azusa' "Tonari Ni," CG music is also better.
>Broducer = 765
>P-kun - 346
What? I thought it was the other way around. My life is a lie!
Wait, which ones are these? I'm not sure if I've watched them or not.
Anon, half the appeal of any franchise-based doujin is the fact that you already know the characters. Doubly so with Idolmaster for some reason (anybody know why this is?)
>CG Girls are much lewder.
[dubious - discuss]
>This is why I like CG better than 2011. In 2011, all the girl's friendship was a pre-established thing and they all warmed up to Producer practically instantly.
Just one of the many ways that the two anime are so different. Because of this I'd say more people strongly prefer one over the other rather than enjoy 2011 and CG to a similar degree. It really comes down to what you want from an idol anime.
One thing to note is that I felt that the [email protected] Movie wasn't too distinct in tone and theme from CG. This in itself may have been one of the reasons that the movie was so divisive.
There is no more erotic and lewd group assembled than this. The group is basically maxes out slut levels, and the girls undoubtedly smell like old man semen all day. Literally walking pornos.
>I remember how Yukiho got that one awkward YAAAYY scene in episode
Admittedly Yukiho got completely ignored after the first few episodes, but wasn't episode 3 technically her character episode (she was the first to get one). Let's be honest though, Yukiho was never one of the more memorable 765 girls to begin with.
As for Hibiki, her character episode was admittedly awful. Takane got a nice amount of focus though.
>In related news, Platinum Stars is being torn apart as a half-made grindfest of a game that is a step down from previous games in nearly everything but graphics.
Fuck. That's a shame, especially because the graphics really are quite nice compared to the previous games.
>Really? I thought they were about the same.
Maybe. It's been a while since I watched the original series but there seemed to be a lot more QUALITY in CG.
Why would they put the purest CG in this group of sluts.
>but there seemed to be a lot more QUALITY in CG.
The issue may be that that 2011 had an artstyle that made it far easier to hide QUALITY than CG. However, I will say that the actual movement animations tended to be a bit better in 2011.
>Wait, which ones are these? I'm not sure if I've watched them or not.
Sorry it was so long ago I don't know how can I find it now. I remember it was mentioned in CG threads when CG season 1 finished airing and we had back to back general.
Oh god, fuck you for reminding me of that shithole.
All I remember is the first nomake is about Producer's first arrival in 765 and the second is about Producer and Haruka. No translation, only rough, unconfirmed stories from anons. I used my shitty japanese hearing but I'm pretty sure the first episode is actually about that. All the "japanese expert" anons said the nomakes actually gave Producer a lot more focus and character, including a background story about why he became a Producer is because he feels he's not talented enough to be an entertainer. Also a lot more Haruka being cute/clumsy around the Producer in later episodes, I guess they want to make her crush on him more believable.
>No translation, only rough, unconfirmed stories from anons
Ah, that would explain why I haven't come across them before then.
Luckily I avoided the CG generals because I lost interest in CG during season 1. But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.
She has a lovely singing voice though.
The problem with the [email protected] movie was that it was a glorified ML commercial. And a shitty one at that.
It took screen time that would've been better spent on the 765 girls and did a poor representation of the ML girls.
The end result is something that didn't end well for either groups. The movie would've been better if it just focused on the core 765 instead.
>But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.
The anime, not at all.
The generals, well, sort of.
Head slut turns all girls into sluts. And not like Mika really had that far to go. That's what she's gets for tipping that line and playing with fire with her gyaru shit.
>The movie would've been better if it just focused on the core 765 instead.
And to make matters worse, the first 30 minutes were great in this regard. It created false expectations for next 90 minutes.
>The generals, well, sort of.
It was the generals I was referring to.
Don't watch puchi. Puchis are shit.
Takane is a refined princess of the era when having tanned skin was an indication that you were a commoner who laboured outdoors.
>Luckily I avoided the CG generals because I lost interest in CG during season 1. But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.
The CG generals were just memes. And you know what's the worst part? They're the exact fucking same. Sometimes you wander into one and see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again.
shoo shoo spooky skeleton
>see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again
That could be said for a lot of threads on /a/ though.
Of course her hobby is history - she's timeless.
As a big fan of imas long before the 2011 anime cake out, I had no knowledge in CG and actually thought CG had a much better art style and was more enjoyable (the first half anyway). I remember being pretty disappointed with the original after years of wanting a real imas anime.
Namco pro girls are infinitely better though !
>The CG generals were just memes. And you know what's the worst part? They're the exact fucking same. Sometimes you wander into one and see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again.
So basically, every /a/ thread ever nowadays.
>you'll never produce
Just kill me already.
The CG girls feel really bland and one-note.
Here's the list of [email protected] Its in nico though. You can watch the other episodes in this guy's channel.
Every episode is connected to the [email protected] 2011 series.
I don't know man. Every time I remember about "post pure cute idols" with Sae picture and the fucking exact same reply "Sae talks like a grandma" I feel like my blood boiling all the memories of those shitty threads. Those posts haunt me everytime I enter a CG thread.
Sorry, lately I don't go to /a/ that much. I never visited shitholes like Re:Zero threads or other shows with huge fanbases' threads.
>There's too many "quirky" ones too.
that's exactly it.
While the original ones could be boiled down to single character traits, it was much more blatant with the CG lot.
>it's a cat idol
>it's a russian
>it's a giant
>it's a chunni
Kyun! Vampire Girl
Watashi wa Idol
Furu Furu Future
And fuck it, I really like Ready! and Change! Fantastic choices for the anime OPs - really got me hyped for every episode.
I like (subjectively) CG better, but this is true. Lots of "roster bloat". By comparison 765 feel more like complete characters.
I really like some of the CGs, so it kind of evens out for me.
I fucking love that so much art of Iron Man Iori exists.
Yayoi Machine makes me laugh harder than it should.
Miki really owns that song. Nothing can compare to her rendition of it.
As far as I know, yes. There haven't been many Idolmaster doujins lately, much less good ones.
I guess Yayoi won't be able to support her family any more now that she's paralyzed.
It takes a very specific type of individual to come up with a cross over like that and then actually execute it well.
>boiled down to single character traits
You can do that to pretty much any fictional character.
And you act like it's necessarily a bad thing. Just because a character has one particularly strong quirk doesn't mean that's all they are. They still have other facets and sides to them. In fact, having a strong default quirk is actually quite beneficial as it draws immediate interest to the character. From that point, the strong initial quirk actually makes a great reference point to appreciate the other aspects of the character.
For example, there is this one CG idol who is shown as someone who likes doing street grafitti. And fine, you could say that she is the rebellious street art ghetto idol, and that wouldn't necessarily be incorrect.
But then you learn that despite her free spirited-ness in her art, she's actually quite adamant to proper procedure and the rules. In her unit/group of friends, she's actually the serious member that keeps the other members from going out of line or acting too silly. But she isn't all no fun allowed either. In line with her artsy hobbies, she occasionally does clever pranks to her friends as payback of sorts.
Hell, when initially scouting her to be an idol, she puts her guard up and calls Producer a sleazy bastard who is just trying to hit on women. It's only after explaining himself properly that she promptly apologizes for the rude remark and hears him out.
Contrary to how she may appear, she's more than this "Street Art Idol". And the same goes for the rest of the CGs.
Consider this, while the original cast get a few new games every other year or so at best, CG has been dishing out non-stop content every week since 2011. Said content places the CG idols in all sorts of situations and involves themselves with different people. Even moreso since there are two major CG games out there right now.
Calling the CG idols undeveloped or one note at this point just says ignorance about the person.
The problem with CG is that the majority of these characters aren't even voiced. No matter how well-developed they are, they're reduced to cameos while the main three get the majority of screentime. It would have been more interesting if we got episodes dedicated to each CG, but that would have probably resulted in hundreds of episodes having to be made.
I actually kinda like how they handled "single personality trait" in the anime, considering anime is the casual form of media
to each his own I guess
>considering anime is the casual form of media
>not taking anime consumption 100% seriously at all times
Also, justifying single personality trait characters by saying that anime is a casual form of media kinda shits all over the shows that have multi-dimensional characters.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed CG.
I just felt the majority of the girls were a single trait instead of actually having character depth.
Let's be real here though; while it's a higher proportion than in CG, only about half of the 765 girls have any real depth.
I'm talking about the franchise as a whole. I've seen enough jackasses that keep saying that CG idols are one note and undeveloped characters.
For an adaptation of any media that has a massive cast, it goes without saying that they have to cut down and focus on select people.
For example, all them capeshit movies out there right now aren't necessarily representative of their source material. They only focus on the characters they have selected. It'd be nice if every character had their day on the big screen, but that ain't happening.
At the end of the day, all people will bitch about is:
>BAAAWW the character -I- want isn't getting the spotlight
>BAAAW "character x" would've been a better choice than "character y"
You can't really please everyone, but at you can at least put effort and the parameters and cast you've set for yourself. And hey, if that interests you to check out the source material, then even better.
Pic not necessarily related to the entire discussion. Dooky is cute. That's all.
can't be helped.
a lifetime of krokodil
who is the other tittymmonster?
more like HIGHdolmaster
I actually like dookie more since I watch the 2nd season. her trying so hard make me want to protect her
and fuck you mio and rin
well, for a mobage adaptation, I think they did it pretty well
DON'T LOSE YOUR BROTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Booted up an episode of 2011 and the a few random clicks in the progress bar got me this. I'm quite sure that there are far more egregious examples for this, but I'm not scouring an entire series again just to prove a point.
The 2011 anime had a simpler and slightly more same-facey character design so it was easier to get away with QUALITY as most people wouldn't quite catch them in the first place.
But both series had about the same. It's A-1 for fucks sake.
>Booted up an episode of 2011 and the a few random clicks in the progress bar got me this
That doesn't look so bad within the confines of the art style.
>The 2011 anime had a simpler and slightly more same-facey character design so it was easier to get away with QUALITY as most people wouldn't quite catch them in the first place.
Yep, exactly what I was referring to here: >>145282502
Chihaya is emotionally retarded.
>gets all the anal porn
what did they mean by this?
>the best aidorus are the ones with massive tits
>Absolutely hate idols with a passion
>Watch [email protected] and get hooked
>Massive cast all with depth
>A look at the work that goes into the industry
>Get to episode 20
>Chihaya starts singing Yakusoku
>Start crying like a bitch
I am a changed man. I now see the light.
That beach episode was god-tier as beach episodes go.
My favourite part was Miki exploiting those beach dudes.
>don't notice arm because focused on cute face and hair
>Short brown hair is the best.
But Awakened Miki is far worse looking than regular Miki.
>when you ask to put the super soaker up her bum
Awakened Miki looks way better and cuter though.
fug twins y/y?
>tfw Dearly Stars is basically dead and buried
Because shills gotta shill and DRAMA (forced or otherwise) is a staple of idol anime
>Why do people even like Takane?
would you still support Takane if she looked like this?
this Ai is alive and well!
Ryo is in Side M so we're sure he
'll be fine when the inevitable adaptation happens, hopefully Ai and Eri will appear again on 3rd Vision ;_;
>tfw Dearly Stars is basically dead and buried.
Speak for yourself.
Ryou is back in Side-Homo and it's literally been announced just a few hours ago that Yuko Sanpei is back to voice him. New CDs are coming up.
Hell, here is a voice demo reel of the brand new Alpha as Fuck Ryou and his fellow fuccbois:
>Yuko Sanpei is back to voice him.
>tfw you're the only female voice actor in a cast of 40+ men/boys.
It's just like my reverse harem chinese cartoons!
Awakened Miki = Best Miki
>Implying SCAMCO is willing to pay for Tomato and HanaKana
As a trio they are sort of dead and forgotten
I wonder how would her
husbandfeel about that
Chihaya's rendition of Shangri-la is one of the few Idolmaster covers that's better than the original.
It's rare for Chihaya's voice to shine in a fast-paced solo-song, but she nails Shangri-La.
It's great alright, but it's a very Chihaya song (i.e. slow).
>It's great alright, but it's a very Chihaya song (i.e. slow).
I really like many of Chihaya's slow songs because it brings out her voice. Any song that needs power is a song for Chihaya.
I very much agree. But a lot of her songs sorta meld together in my mind because of that common theme. Hence why I like Shangri-La so much; it's a faster paced song that still allows her to show off the power of her voice.
Every episode is a Chihaya appreciation episode.
Twintail Chihaya is best Chihaya.
Are they ever going to explain why they didn't give Hibiki an episode? And why there is no episode 16?
In the butt.
>"Do you feel like other people hate you?"
>[x] Yes / [_] No
Missionary position, after marriage, for procreation.
I've got some Hibiki memes for you.
>broadcast Hibiki's smile around the world
>world peace breaks out everywhere
The rotoscoping will haunt us forever.
That's actually really well done. I'd seen the stills before but I didn't know they were from a video.
Through the power of imagination, anon.
>Those food related doujins
Probably the best [email protected] faps I've ever had.
>I'm still anal annihilated Bamco made it so there will never be a proper [email protected] game in the west.
I don't want it localized anyways, but a release with English subtitles would be great.
As somebody whose knowledge of ML is limited to what is shown in the [email protected] movie, was the ML game any good or was it just mobile shittery?
Wait, I thought the Xbox ones could be played outside of Japan?
well, her nasal voice adds her appeal to me
but despite her flirty personality and slutiness I still can't sexualize her
is this what having a waifu feels like?
considering CG is doing well let's just hope they release it in the west
That was honestly a poor decision on their part. They should have made ShinyFesta more around $20. That way they could satisfy fanbases outside of Japan and possibly gain additional fans. Now, they just abandoned the game and sold it for $5 which most likely made many fans regret buying the game in the first place.
>claimed the poor sales show their is no interest in the franchise outside of Japan.
Did they actually say anything or is it just people here assuming that? Because from what I understand Bamco just outright refuses to acknowledge us at all when it comes to [email protected]
Chihaya sure was shat on for a lot of the anime episodes though.
I need more [email protected] fix. I need a crossover with these girls.
What 765 girls would you consider to have depth?
What is she wearing underneath that jacket? Spats? A swimsuit?
>even smaller than an elementary school child
I wish the anime hadn't emphasized the silly "Chihaya is insecure about her chest" notion.
Anon, most guys would be insecure if they had a chest that flat.
What does a girl mean when she does this?
Yeah, just don't set your expectations too high while also bracing yourself for stupid drama and rotoscoping. The first 30-40 minutes are about as good as the 2011 anime was though.
>Please hug me, Produsah!
So, beyond your favorite idol, what is your favorite part about your favorite idol?
I love how easy Makoto is to fluster!
She's a prime bully target!
She doesn't have to do anything. Just look at her.
Chihaya can sing well and she's very passionate about it. I would love to support her so she could realize her dream.
She's also very bullyable. I'd love to tease her until she's noticeably irritated, then hug her and tell her I'm sorry and that I love her.
Makoto's my favorite, but I don't want to bully her.
>not calling her a boy at every available opportunity
S A U V A G E
>Is Cinderella Girls worth watching?
If you like the front line characters?
I think a lot of us were watching it in hopes that the various characters we liked got voiced, but most got maybe a line of dialogue, if not just a "Kyaa"
Well, my in to the franchise was through doujins/gelbooru, and when the lactation tags were suddenly flooded with one character (Who turned out to be intentionally written to sound like a NOT! Holstaurus), it was inevitable I'd want to know more.
Besides that, I've had a thing for short-haired girls, and what little character development she has shows her as a hard working girl who wants to support her family, and wants to make friends where she couldn't make any around her age, before.
My perceptions of her went from fap fodder to seeing past the boob jokes and lactation insinuations to see the sweetheart of a character that she is, and I really wish they'd flesh her story out more to bring her in line with the more popular idols.
...but with over a hundred idols, she'd need a fuckton of popularity before the writers try to develop her personality besides "MILK AND BOOBS". Even other more popular characters haven't really been given much more depth than they started with.
>I've had a thing for short-haired girls
Good taste. My personal favorite would have to be Rumi, because she has a really cute gap moe thing going on.
>No official Puchi spinoff and merchandise
>MMD character models
I'm really not sure which is the greater evil.