Seiba bully thread

Her only real Jobbing losses are against Diarmuid (she was utterly retarded in that fight), her debate/emotional losses in Zero (cause Butcher cant write), and Hassan (really shouldve noticed that swirling black mass on the floor). The rest have some degree of reason and overall her win ratio is higher.

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>>145185072
Saber thread?
Saber thread

>>145185072
Shirou should have summoned Gawain instead of her. Would have been infinitely more enjoyable.

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>>145186303
>don't talk shit to my master and my master's ideal ever again

>>145185072
Who's that on the right?

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Agravain

>>145185072
When the fuck is Kay?
Isn't he suppose to be a sick badass who slew a giant?

Because jesus FUCK the nasuverse round table are a bunch spergs. Shit's worse than a goddamn soap opera.

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>>145186394
I would love to see him fight for Shirou's honor and beat EMIYA the fuck down.

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Post people who better at saving Britain than saber

>>145187812
Some dude who's cutting his own hand? Really?

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>>145185072
>Say your worst about Saber
She's a woman and definitely not King Arthur.

>>145187868
>what is a scabbard

>>145187969
>>>/pol/

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>>145186131
>>145185072
Seiba pleases her master for mana! IN CANON!

SLUUUUUUT
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inferior kenshit

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>>145188165
Don't get butthurt because the superior King Arthur is a man.

>>145186014
>Leave caster to me shirou I have infinite magic resistance, it should be no problemo
>You should not enter in a fight between servants
BAD END. GOT MIND CONTROLLED.

kek

>>145188309
kenshi a cute
but seiba is cuter

>>145186303
>Would have been infinitely more enjoyable.
Yes the yaoi and Rin gangbang would've been more enjoyable than that awkward threesome in the ruin

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>>145187431
like this?

>superior King Arthur is a man.
Are you implying that women are inferior leaders compared to men?

>>145188340
For you shitlord>>145188605

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>>145185072
>"Even I know how to do this"
Referring to a blowjob at the end of Fate route.

Does it mean that Knights of the roundtable are just massive bukake orgy?

>>145188605
>Are you implying that women are inferior leaders compared to men?
obviously

>>145188517
You have the ones for the other Servants too? I need some more WHORE OF BABYLON in my diet.

>>145188846
Why don't you back it up with facts then instead of using /pol/ buzzwords?

>>145189066
what buzzwords have I used?

>>145188802
imagine

>>145188517
Let's be fair, MC Powered Servant > Everything.

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>>145188517
Yes, game mechanics will obviously beat the fact that Gawain is now the protagonists's servant and will fuck EMIYA's shit up. Not to mention his honesty will beat EMIYA's smug and Rin's bitchiness.

>>145187969
how does such a good looking guy get cucked?

honestly that's why I like saber being a woman. At least then the arthur history isn't as tragic.

>>145189213
You said men are more capable of leadership than women which is not true and just pulling it out from your ass. The fact that you like Arthur so much proves it.

>>145185072
She's fucking boring, she has no personality and they keep spamming her everywhere.

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>>145189396
Well, Arthur is a sixteen year old, while Lancelot is a grown man. Maybe Guinevere wanted an actual man instead of a teenager.

>>145189394
Isn't one of his ability that he can't die during the day?

>>145189475
Yeah, but if Shirou summons him then he ends up skewering EMIYA at night. Regardless, EMIYA's getting a sword up the ass.

>>145189467
>Arthur is a sixteen year old
He don't look like one.

>>145189467
Arthur isn't sixteen she looks sixteen. Ducking retarded. Her body didn't age while she had Avalon. Arthur is at least 25-30

>>145189396
Guinevere is a slut, it's that simple

>>145189535
What the fuck can't I spell fucking? Each and ever fucking time I do it, it randomly auto correct the word fucking. Also ARTURIA is 25-30.

>>145189411
>The fact that you like Arthur so much proves it.
that is a different person

>You said men are more capable of leadership than women which is not true and just pulling it out from your ass.
Do you know what a buzzword is?

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>>145188605
How on earth could you infer that from what I said? I said that Prototype Arthur is better than Arturia. Which is true. Better stats, better NP, better realization that didn't come from a bunch of men telling her she's a shitty King and a little girl. That was cringey as fuck, and I'm glad that Arthur didn't have that shit with the servants in Fragments.

Next time don't let your triggered little mind cloud your vision.

>>145189608
>men are better leaders because I said so.

>>145189608
What are you guys talking about. Please stop. We had one of the worst fate thread yesterday. I love you guys. No more fighting please :(


Unless a fucking retarded believes that fate Shirou is a good character

>>145189704
>random green text to cover for the fact I don't know what a buzzword is

>>145189736
>any shirou
>a good character

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>>145189529
His original design had him look his age.

>>145189535
For all we know his does have Avalon. It's stated that Ayaka had a relic buried inside of her that allowed her to summon Arthur. I think it was also mentioned he had stopped aging as well.

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>>145189821
Stay Night Shirou's cool, don't hate.

>>145189674
>muh little girl
>muh King should only be males
You're the one who's triggered here.

>>145189821
Miyuverse Shirou is a great version of him and I'm glad that he was able to be shown in all his glory without any of the angst.

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>>145189909
Holy crap, you're actually retarded. Point out where I said any of those things.

>>145189559
I mean in the original legend the reason who went to lancelot was because Arthur was so distant being the king and all.

I guess what I'm saying is that fate/prototype saber just doesn't have that distant beleaguered look I'd expect of such a characterization.

Arthur being a girl actually really fits well with the legend and I know that change was only made since it was an eroge but I really like that it was done.

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>>145189932
It's not Shirou if there's no angst, really. You could barely even call Miyu-Shirou Shirou.

But this isn't a Shirou thread, it's a Gawain thread.

>>145189821
>>145189883
What do you mean good? A likable character? A character that does his job? Because Shirou is pretty hated among the fans.

Also I said fate Shirou because he is the worst of all shirous. I do not like Shirou, nor do the way the character was handled in the vn and anime

>>145190047
Can Gawain be summoned as a lancer?

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>>145189559
That's why he settled down to a Jap girl

>>145189674
This. I think the tumblrina is just a troll. Fate series certainly wouldn't have been as successful without Seibaclones and waifubaiting, but I can see the original otome game with Bishi Arthur being more coherent narrative-wise.

This goes back to Shirou-bashing. Man he's so fucking dumb, and keep haxing his way through the sheer power of being self insert VN protagonists. I'd take anything other than a dumbass knucklehead MC that keeps getting protected by plot armor. A damsel in distress feMC with her fantasy knight in shining armor might be cliched, but at least it won't be as inconsistent as FSN VN, especially for Fate and UBW route where Shirou just hax his way into victory

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>>145190050
I like Hero-type characters, so I find him likable, and what job does Shirou, exactly? He's controversial but that doesn't mean he's not a great character. His development and how he plays off of each heroine is great. Please do not let your bias and dislike of a character make you think that said character sin't good or great.

Your opinion is an opinion, which is fair enough. I hate Prisma Shirou.

>>145189980
>she's a shitty King and a little girl
>She's a woman and definitely not King Arthur.
I can give you more if I'm not on mobile right now.

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>>145190126
Eh, I like Shirou, but I'm not about to get in an argument about that. I also prefer his Hero-Ideals over Ayaka's whole family problems, so it's all on opinions, really.

>>145189736
>Unless a fucking retarded believes that fate Shirou is a good character
You think Shirou is bad? Take a look at Sieg then.

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>>145190234
Jesus. Christ. You do realize that I was talking about Gilgamesh and Alexander's words on her, right? Of course you don't. I could give less of a shit if she was a girl, it's the fact that the narrative constantly pointing out that she's a girl, a little girl no less, that I find her cringey and prefer Arthur to her.

>>145189909
A king should literally only be male. Otherwise they become a Queen.

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>>145190126
>>145190368
Yeah, Sieg is a character who deserves any and all hate he gets, plus he has that retarded as hell Fate-style romance with Jeanne.

>>145190368
DESU most shounen type MC are fucking bad famlam.

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Her upcoming demise in HF will not make /a/ cry as hard as pic related.

>>145190212
>that doesn't mean he's not a great character.

He plowed through the Fate route being an utter knucklehead without learning anything, he stuck with "girls shouldn't fight" motto all the way till the bitter end and got rewarded for it if you don't count the bad endings. Even if you do, half of the choices requires you to act like an utter knucklehead like jumping in front of Berserker to protect Saber and get smashed to pulp, rather than running away with Rin. Even after getting kidnapped by Ilya, causing problem with everybody and then rescued, he still wonders in broad daylight and sneak off at night without protection. Finally he hax his way into beating Gil. This is not to mention Gil just straight out leaving them to live on day 14 after he crushes both him and Saber for no reason other than bad writing because otherwise the pair would've gotten annihilated. Great idea with your "date" and thinking with your dick eh Shirou. And again, what's frustrating is that he keeps getting away with this idiocy through sheer power of being self insert MC

Taiga is probably most at fault for Shirou turning out the way he did. She was basically the only adult in his life who could have taught him shit like it's not okay to let people walk over you or that he shouldn't have to bear the guilt of living but it seems she never did any of that.

Just used him as a free chef and as someone to play games with.

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>>145190632
See I was going to respond to this with an argument, then I saw the last line.

Nope, no fucking thank you.

>>145190126
>inconsistent as FSN VN
I tried not to be retarded like Shirou when I played the VN and I always get bad ends.

>>145190607
>lelouch dying
>cry

only edge lords like him.

>>145190603
i-i don't mind

>>145188512
>yaoi

Gawain is not gay also Shirou is a boy who only likes girls, and you can't have same sex mana transfers.

>>145190632
What's wrong with self-inserting to characters that reminds you of yourself?

>>145190560
>DESU most shounen type MC are fucking bad famlam.

That's not fair, it's more like modern LN or VN based self insert protags are bad.

Shounen MC used to carry their show, see: Guts, Goku, Luffy, Kenshiro, Pegasus Seiya, hell even Naruto.

Nowadays the waifus carry the show, and you have shit like Shirou, Kirito, Bell, Kyosuke from Oreimo, Takashi from High School of the Dead, Touma, etc who are just bland as bland boring nice guy.

>>145191165
Please don't paint Naruto in a good light while making Shirou look bad.

>>145191079
>you can't have same sex mana transfers.
Maybe for girl x girl.

For men their mana is carried in their spunk, so a bit of yaoi spunk slurping would totally transfer the mana

>>145190212
I honestly don't know if you baiting or not. But I agree a opinion is a opinion.

>>145190368
I fucking hate him with a passion. Fucking stupid love shit. He ruined one of the greatest semon demons. In do glad that I didn't waste my time with it

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Guys this is Seiba bully thread. Get back on track.

I want to take away Seiba's lion doll and bully her!

>>145191124
why ilya is talking about herself?
is she a self hating slut?

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>>145186131

>>145191240
I'm pretty sure it's a troll.

>>145191274
I'm not baiting, I genuinely like Shirou and everything I said up there was real.

>>145191254
But Gawain would never suck a dick and Shirou isn't gay so he wouldn't even be be to get it up.

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>>145191376
Robin is pure.

>>145191100
>What's wrong with self-inserting to characters

Because I'm not your average japanese high schoolers, so I can't self insert. What I see is just a badly written boring, bland meathead protagonist getting away with idiotic choices and hax his way into plotarmor victory while people around him dies left and right.

>>145191497
rin is here to save the day

>>145191497
When a berserker is chasing you, your life is on the line, and the situation was as dire as that you'd jack off too.

Even if you can't get it on with another guy, he'll probably just jerk it off to a cup fantasizing about Rin and have Gawain slurp his semen

>>145191656
Mope because Gawain can't die during day time

>>145190634
Yeah. Kiritsugu at least had the excuse of being cursed on top of being traumatized. Taiga is just Taiga.

>>145190782
Shirou is a VN self insert protagonist first and foremost. That's why he can't carry a show and every anime with him in it is shit.

Viewed from 3rd person if you're not playing with him or hearing his narrative, he's an utter moron that should've got murdered on day 1, and he gets away with it time and time again by the virtue of just being the main character.

>>145191767
>Gawain can't die during day time
>Shirou don't want to fight during day time to protect civilians

The pair and their idiotic arguments would've been glorious.

>>145190632
I'll take the bait

>he stuck with "girls shouldn't fight" motto all the way till the bitter end
And you miss the point of Shirou's character.

Go back to /fgog/ secondary.

>>145186014
>jobbing
>against Diarmuid
No he's just that good. Same reason why his fighting style counter's Berserker Lancelot because he can bypass magical resistances and destroy mana outright rendering constructs and armor obsolute.

>>145186394
>literally the biggest faggot
I love how Nasu shits on Gawain. Even in Camelot, the faggot is such a brainless guppy for Artoria that he killed his own fucking little sister and she routinely blasts him through castle walls.

>>145191852
She even taught as his school and presumably would be more in tune with what he went through in elementary/middle school.

Like there was no one better placed to understand the pain that Shirou was going through and understand why he acted the way he did.

Honestly if Taiga had ever acted out of love for Shirou he would never have had to suffer or have to bare the fate of the pains of being a hero.

Kiritsugu was fucked from the beginning and even then he didn't teach Shirou shit like how to blow up a building/plane or fire a rifle.

>>145186517
>Agravain
You mean the edgy baby who died?

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>>145191578
>>145191884
Wait a fucking second, you're that self-insert anon. Yeah, no, I' not debating shit with you. I learned my lesson last time.

>>145192177
>Even in Camelot, the faggot is such a brainless guppy for Artoria that he killed his own fucking little sister and she routinely blasts him through castle walls.
Source?

>>145192177
>such a brainless guppy for Artoria that he killed his own fucking little sister

Don't simplify it.

>>145192304
Get the TL of the Camelot event from /fgog/. Its the same story arc where Arash breaks his NP and matches Lancer Artoria Alter's NP which was destroying villages all over the country.

>>145192304
morgan lefay is his sister

>>145192177
Yeah, she didn't job against him at all, that's why she ignored her instinct and got fucked up during her fight with him.

>>145190634
Taiga can't do shit. Meeting Kiritsugu pretty much cemented his reason to be a seigi no mikata. Learning about Kerry's ideals and trying to learn magic on top of it killed the idea of Shirou living a normal life.

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Saber's daughter is cuter, has a way better personality, and probably has a tighter, pleasant smelling vagＯＯ。Why do we even need Saber anymore?

>>145192341
Which part? The part where she says she wants the knights to side with her and half of them including Gawain mindlessly follow her and then when his sister tries to get in the way he stabs her without any remorse?

Let's add King Hassan whooping the shit out of Gawain who was bolstered with the Grail, using Numerals and parratining Galatine and making him look like a complete bitch too.

>>145191972
It would have glorious and so much better than even Rin and Archer arguing.

Would Gawain back down because Shirou is his master or would he keep talking back?

>>145191884
>Shirou is a VN self insert protagonist first and foremost

That's a good one.

If that were the case his behavior and personallity traits wouldn't conflict with the expectations or common sense of the average watcher/reader somethig that's far from true.

>b-but m-muh harem!

kek

>Viewed from 3rd person if you're not playing with him or hearing his narrative

>Let's ignore every reasoning or justification behind his character just because i find him annoying lol

>Let's also ignore every reason given by the plot for a weakling surviving because i don't like him xd

>>145192341
He literally had no remorse over his sister dying to help beat the Fake King Richard. He also murdered his fellow knights when she gave the whole "stop me or help me purify the world" bit. He is a pretty big shitter.

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Obligatory A RANK INSTINCT shitpost

You must be one fucked up nigga to self insert into Shirou
or just edgy fedora atheist

>>145192486
About this:
>"I summoned you knights because I require your power. While I can destroy my enemies alone, I cannot perform the Holy Selection. I need knights that will become my hands and feet. However. I understand that this act violates your beliefs. Will you obey me, or will you leave my side? Or, will you band together here to strike me down? I will hear your answers at sundown. I can wait no longer than that."


>Sir Gawain understood the significance of King Arthur calling herself the "Lion King."
Sir Tristan blinded himself to the tragedy of the situation.
Sir Lancelot, though he was loathe to admit it, realized that the Lion King's choice was making the best of a bad situation.
Gaheris resolved himself to parting with his older brothers and younger sisters.
Gareth never once doubted that Sir Lancelot, whom she revered, would surely choose to aid King Arthur.

>It was the perfect opportunity to kill the enemy leader.
Lancelot froze. He understood Gareth's feelings, but was hesitant to once more do the deed.
Mordred raged. She had tried to stop her, saying they could win without making such sacrifices.
Agravain quietly placed his hand on the sword hanging at his side. He understood what must be done.
>However. The one who swung his sword and dealt the mortal blow was Gawain.
Along with the last remnants of his heart, he bid farewell to his little sister.

You can stop with your fanfiction.

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What do you guys think of Arash?

>>145192682
Does self-inserting count if I want to insert my dick into Shirou?

>>145192690
There is no fanfiction, you butthurt Saberfag.

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>>145192776
I think it really sucks that he can't use his NP or he dies. What's worse is that he's so cool about it too. A true Hero.

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>>145192846
Name-calling. Now I know you mean business.

Stay butthurt.

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>>145192903
>no rebuttal about the fact with Hassan and Gawain
>pretending to be a Gilfag now

>>145192853
Didn't he use it in Camelot just fine? It just seems like he exceeded what Stella could sustain and broke on him but he's great either way. Tristan respects him, Ozymandias considers him a true hero, Byrnhildr and Arthur in Fragments wouldn't have beaten Ozymandias without him.

He's underrated as fuck.

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>>145192903
>butthurt
Whatever you say dudester.

>>145188340
Arthur has much better sword
superior in every way to that pathetic stick Saber swings around

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>>145192776
STELLAAAAAA/10

>>145189825
>dat helmet

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>>145192955
What? I'm supposed to be butthurt about a character dying? King Hassan is awesome and the fact he got both Ramesses and Gawain is badass.

Also, using a Gil pic means I'm a Gilfag? Try harder.

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>>145193113
so this thing incorporates the goddamn scabbard all the time?
the blade is only released to fire the fuckhuge beam?

>>145193082
>Posting a cuck

Alright then.

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>>145193271
>Gawainfag has no rebuttal so goes in circles instead

>>145193330
>Is mad I'm not butthurt
>Calls me Gawainfag
>Thinks I should get salty about Badass Hassan killing fucks left and right

Keep going. I want to see how far you'll reach.

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>>145193435
What reaching, faggot?

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>>145193324
>Reminder that EXcalibur reached through the atmosphere and left Earth with only four seals unlocked.

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>>145191884
>wanting to self insert into a teenager with PTSD

Sure thing bud

>>145193512
Tell me anon, how should I feel about Gawain?

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>>145192518
He's the same as every other VN self-insert protagonist. He isn't particularly "insane" like Fatefags insist. All VN protagonists are insane, because that's what readers identify with. Even moege protagonists go crazy.

>>145193552
too OP

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>>145193638
Tell me anon, why should I care?

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>>145193741
Because he's King Arthur.

>>145193585
Pretty much every VN protagonist ever suffers from trauma in their past. VN readers themselves are usually outcasts suffering from depression, so of course that's what they want to self-insert as.

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>>145193785
Then why do you keep replying if you don't care?

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>>145193880
Because you are a faggot and one of the cancers of a fandom I loathe despite loving Type-Moon.

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>>145192903
>>145193512
>>145193944
Gil-kun!

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>>145193944
Oh, so you're one of those Fate-hating TMfags despite the fact that you take it upon yourself to still read and keep up with Fateshit. I see.

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>>145194057
>Fate-hating TMfags
You totally misread my post there, try again.

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>>145194034
His loli won't last.

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>>145194105
No. Gil won't fuck around this time.

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>>145194103
>try again

I see no reason to. You hate the Fate fandom or what have you, I'm a Fatefag, what's there to discuss.

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>>145194271
I don't hate Fate, I hate retards who are part of the Fate fandom.

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>>145194232
I bet she won't even last halfway through the story.

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Seiba a cute
A cuuuuuuuute!

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>>145194315
If you hate Fate fans, then why do you engage with them? Seems like you'd just end up angry all the time.

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>>145194355
Her Knights are better.

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>>145194350
Not if Gil is always around to protect her.

Gil loves lolis.

>>145193679
>He isn't particularly "insane" like Fatefags insist

You simply can't be serious, did you even read the VN?

Try to elaborate on why a sad excuse of a human being is not insane.

>>145194666
You're better off not arguing him. He irrefutably thinks that Shirou is a self-insert protag, and that everyone who likes Shirou must self-insert into him. This includes not liking if one of the heroines is in a relationship with another man, means you are a self-insert shitter.

It's not worth it.

>>145192444
Don't forget Sawashiro voicing her.

>>145194545
Name one loli he actually likes.

>>145194930
Illya, her heart belongs to him :^)

>>145194421
Because rage is addicting.

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>>145194986
Foul play.

>>145188309
>kenshin above both Fate heroines
lel

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>>145190114
Ayaka is actually half-British and half-Japanese. Plus, he could still get cucked by Gilgamesh.

>>145190339
>that pic
MUH FUCKING DICK
Cu ChulainKo is mai waifu

>>145194812
Oh fuck. Now that you describe him this way I remember it. The guy's been fucking around a thread 6 months ago or something, what shitposting dedication.

>>145195229
that'd be amazing to have different routes where saber gets cucked by his own summoner.

>>145188309
YES!

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>>145195229
>, he could still get cucked by Gilgamesh.
Will never happen cuz he is voiced by Griffith.

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>>145195281
>Cu ChulainKo is mai waifu
>Not Femyia

Shit taste, sempai.

>>145188309
>1 point

What did she do to win?

>>145195483
Sucked Rance´s Hyperweapon

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>>145195229
Only a highschool Japanese girl can make Gil bow like this.

>>145188309
>1 point difference
>you know it's because of that gangrape guro ending she has

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>>145195359
>>145195439
There's no way Ayaka can have Arthur, Cu, and Gilgamesh living in her house and not mana transfer with them all.

Arthur has to deal with the fact that some hero with a bigger dick than him is fucking his waifu. Again.

>>145194034
Brown lolis are a miracle of the universe.

>>145195686
>mana transfer
Usually males in reverse harems aren't betafags.

All 3 of them will fuck Ayaka because they wanted to.

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>>145195612
Maybe if he met her as a loli, he'd have a chance in getting her to fall in love with him.

>>145190632

By the end of Fate he literary stops following the "girls can't fight" thing

Have you read the VN?

>Shirou
>Self insert

Kek

Go back to tumblr, retard

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>>145196006
Cu would still be depressed about his master. He also doesn't seem that happy to be Ayaka's servant.

>>145195306
Yeah, the constant "muh self-insert protag" clued me in instantly. Can't believe this fucker is still around.

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>>145188010
you know, the blade of a sword is not entirely sharpened. Only the tip and the upper part are sharp,

>>145192444

Mordred's personality is shit though

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>>145195229
They forgot this guy.

>>145194484
Maybe at sucking dicks.

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>>145196367
Please don't sully Perseus by including him in Ayaka's harem. He is pure and his relationship with his master is pure.

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>>145196422
Gawain might thinks he's great, but he's actually bad at it.

Fate was always a load of bullshit. The routes are basically:

Fate:
Shirou: I want to save everybody!
END.

UBW:
Shirou: I want to save everybody!
Archer: That is both a logical contradiction and a denial of the self.
Shirou: But the ideal encompasses an aesthetic that makes the endless journey worth it. Why can't I selfishly pursue selflessness?
Archer: Fuck, you're right.
Gilgamesh: MONGRELS! THOSE SWORDS ARE FUCKING PATENTED!
END.

Heaven's Feel:
Shirou: I want to save everybody!
Archer: That is a logical contradiction and a denial of the self. If you do not realize this, you get no Sakura sex.
Shirou: You're right. I'm a moral relativist. God is dead.
Archer: That’s the spirit. Here‘s a present before I go away, don‘t mind it if it starts to kill you.
Kotomine: But I'm still evil somehow, right?
Shirou: Right.
END.

Doesn't make it any less fun though.

>>145196601
Too long, didn't read

>>145196007

>>145196007

>Male Arthur is a pedo

Ew, that explains why he was cucked

>>145196601

Why do people think he still has his save everyone mentality in the Fate route when he lets Saber and the orphans go?

>>145196817
Because they didn't actually read the VN. Shocker.

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>>145196467
Fate Proto is reverse harem anon, it's possible. Percy will eventually fall in love to Ayaka and will be torn between his master and her.

He already hesitated to give her the finishing blow when they first encountered.

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>>145196675
That's Gawain. Arthur came across Ayaka in the Garden and a small conversation they had helped him realize his wish was wrong. Then he was all, "Well, I hope that I can protect you sometime in the future, Lady Ayaka." and left to meet Manaka again.

>>145196968

Fate Proto is basically Fate for Otomefags and Fujoshits

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>>145196968
Nah, when Ayaka and her harem is around, Perseus isn't in it.Even in the drama CD he got left out. I guess this is there way of saying he's not in the harem.

I'm fine with this. Perseus doesn't need an otome heroine, he needs his master.

>>145196314
But she is way more fun that her father desu.

How hot is guinevere and did saber ever hit it with her futa dick?

>>145197204

>Autistic shit who is in constant denial about her own gender

No, she is basically your typical daddy issues tumblrina

So did lancelot know saber is female? since he feels so guilty about kekking her

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>>145197187
Proto isn't even halfway done, anything can happen and Percy is enrolled in Ayaka's highschool he knows her more than the other servants(except Arth).

>>145185072
Who's that on the right?

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>>145189058

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>>145189396
BBC

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>>145197611
Loo, I'm fine with Ayaka fucking King Arthur, Cu Chulainn, Gilgamesh, and maybe even Medea, but I do not want her fucking Perseus.

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>>145197736

>>145197781
So was that line supposed to imply that Saber knew her way around dicks since she'd had one before, or was it really supposed to mean she was a slut?

>>145198083
She had one, for a time. Nasu said that it was during her pseudo male time she got some sexual experience.

>>145197806
Ayaka already cucked her sister, she will do the same to cancer boy.

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>>145198373
>cancer boy

Fucking. No. Perseus will always remember his master and would never sully their pure relationship with some highschool chick.

Ayaka already has so many men, she doesn't need another one.

>>145198681
>Ayaka already has so many men, she doesn't need another one.

Never stopped Shirou from adding members. Even fucking Luvia has seen that highbar jump.

>>145198142
Incest for laifu

Imagine being done having sex ARTURIA, then asking her if she ever slept with her sister. Imagine the look on her face.

>>145198796
Prisma is not canon.

>>145198845
>canon

Nice meme.

Remind me which F/SN route is the canon one?

>>145199066
The one that's not Prisma.

>>145199095
Hahahah hour shit kek has spoken

>>145199130
Are you suffering an epileptic seizure or something?

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Perseus a cute! A CUTE!

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>>145199219
>He is the popular boy of his class due to having a modern sort of beauty, getting along well with others, and being gentle. He portrays himself as an overall good youth who is polite, emotional, and easily gets teary-eyed. His fault can be said to be that he tends to overindulge in the things that he likes to the point that he consumes them all at once.

So much better than Meduseless.

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>>145198681
>Percy is Ayaka's classmate
>Percy pretends to be her friend to gather information about her and Saber
>Falls in love with her instead
Screencap this faggot.

>>145199176
Nope I'm using phone atm tend to auto correct shit

>>145199393
>is a mass murderer
Terrible, despicable person.

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>>145199500
Sakurai won't do this shit. The plot has no reason for him to fall in love with her, plus the cast would be too bloated if he was added into the harem.

I ain't screencapping shit. Ayaka can stick with her Knight class faggots, and Perseus will be solo.

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>>145199626
He's a tragic hero.

>>145192518
>>145192682
Technically speaking, all you need to insert into a character is agreeing one aspect of said character, ignore the rest, and voila, they become your proxy character for the rest of the series.
Also, it's much easier to give a character a pass when you can read their thoughts in the VN/LN. It allows you to rationalize why they do the dumbest things in the world. It also allows for easy insertion/proxying.

The same thing you guys have been doing throughout the thread.

>>145194812
This includes not liking if one of the heroines is in a relationship with another man, means you are a self-insert shitter.
This is not wrong. Nasuverse is a multiverse, meaning that in another universe, Saber is having romantic or wants romantic relationships with another man (like the Artoria Romance universe).

Or like how one version of Tamamo and Saber Nero cannot help but love F/E MC and remembers the guy through FGO, but Nasu creates different versions of them that don't for Gudao.

If you do have an issue with Saber (or the other females/heroines in the VN/LN) falling in love with another man that is not simply another version of your insert/proxy character, you are inserting. How this is even a question or debate is beyond logical.

Most eroge protagonists simply fall under this category. Why do people even try to deny this? It makes no sense at all.

>Seibah Thread
>No one even talks about her because she is so fucking shit.

>>145200037
I'm not reading that shit so a TR;DR

>>145200154
>bullying Seibah

>>145200154
Fuck your she is my fucking love. She might be the only anime character I actually like. Had to watch fate and zero just to see her beautiful smile and watch her cry. Do you have any idea how good she is?

The pain I had to endure to watch her and Shirou talk with each another. Arrogant scum leave this thread at once

>>145200037

> Most eroge protagonists simply fall under this category. Why do people even try to deny this? It makes no sense at all.

Because that's not the case with most TM VNs

You can't self insert as Shirou because the only way the game can progress is if you chose the decisions Shirou (as a character) would choose

If you think for yourself you get a bad ending

>>145200154

>Literary can't read

It's a bullying Seibah thread made by some troll

Why would anyone bully such a good character though? Insecurity?

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>>145200312
>If you think for yourself you get a bad ending
I chose the way I wanted to for Tohno Shiki in Tsukihime. I kept looping into bad endings as well.

An MC getting into bad endings because of your own personal choices does not stop that character from becoming your proxy/insert. Rather, you end up rationalizing it as "I made a mistake" and then you end up choosing the "correct" decision wherein you get to understand why that is the correct choice later because the VN explains it to you later.

Why people keep using that shit as an "excuse" is also insufferable.

>>145200234
>>145200471
This thread would immediately bump to page 10 if someone actually listed all of her flaws.

Fuck that waifub8 mascot, I don't wanna waste my time to her.

>>145200532
>sees the hyper weapon
>it is under her pussy

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>>145200471
>Seibah
>good character

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>>145200731
>>145200840

So Lancer Arturia is an Arturia that grew into a fine womanly body because Bedivere was a dumbass, right? Did any of her knights dick her when she grew huge tits and a nice ass?
Kay probably did because of what they did in legend, but anyone else?

>>145200840
What a well thought out post.

>>145200697

You literary don't know the meaning of self insert

Just because you're reading a first person narrative doesn't means it's a self insert story

>>145200731
>>145200840

Thanks for proving me right, kind insecure anons

So I swear I'm not the self insert anon, I've just read the VN like 3 weeks ago but I kinda agree that Shirou is a bad MC. IDK why people here are so triggered with the word "self-insert." The point of protagonist is that it has to be relatable, one doesn't necessarily need to self insert completely. Peter Parker is not a self insert, but through his trouble with Mary Jane, JJ, Aunt May, splitting between work, school, and fighting crime he's relatable say moreso than Thor who's not human and live in Valhalla - which shows up very clearly in comic sales.

Shirou is unquestionably designed to be relatable to your average VN readers. Here's the kicker though, the more you make your character appeal to broader audience, the more bland they become.

We all agree Shirou's character have faults, first of all from straight aesthetics in the world of Saber, Berserker, Lancer, Gil and masters like Rin, Kiritsugu and Kirei his design is boring and bland because the creator wants to make him relatable to your average joe VN reader physically - that is not making him a hulking protagonist like Guts/Kenshiro or a manlet like Edward Elric. He's your run of the mill standard highschooler. Same goes with his inexperience with magic and lack of training. However, he had "super spehsul choosen one" MC hax power that allows him to win against Gil and Archer. I think it is a very valid argument that the way Shirou is watered down to be relatable also contribute to his downfall as a character. A lot of anons are not buying that an average schmuck with 2 weeks magic training can beat Gil the king of heroes. Add to this how dumb and knuckleheaded Shirou is, which has nothing to do with being self-insert and more to do with being a typical MUH JUSTICE shounen MC, but he does keep getting away with his dumb decisions.

TLDR; Shirou is a bad protagonist, partly due to him being watered down audience surrogate to carry the VN while at the same time given hax power.

>>145201035

>>145201035

Arturia isn't a woman to the RoT Knights, she is their King

>>145201858
Self-insert = author's proxy in the story
But what people generally understand it as now = reader's proxy in the story

This use of the argument "you don't literally know what it means" is a fallacious argument that hopes to shield that their MC is literally an insert that follows the second definition and how it's used in these threads.

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>>145188309
So Kenshin beat Seiba without even being the most popular girl in her own series?

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>>145200840

>>145202214
That happened in 2007 or 2008

>>145202282
And since then Seiba has been continually forced down everyone's throat with a million clones.

Sengoku Rance was released in 2006 and FHA was released in 2006. Fair comparison

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>>145188309
How the hell did Rider manage to chart? Japs don't give a shit about her.

>>145202056

> IDK why people here are so triggered with the word "self-insert."

Because this isn't the case in F/SN

> The point of protagonist is that it has to be relatable

Not always and in any case Shirou isn't relatable at all at first, a VN reader can only truly understand Shirou after finishing the VN

> Shirou is unquestionably designed to be relatable to your average VN readers.

Nah, his initial characterization is that of anannoying and super protective guy because he is triggered by his saviour complex

His reasoning is completely unlikely that of any normal person and the VN shows that to you through the bad endings

> his design is boring and bland because the creator wants to make him relatable to your average joe VN reader physically

His design is simple but not for the made up reasons you stated

> He's your run of the mill standard highschooler.
>run of the mill
>standart high school

You didn't read the VN, did you?


> However, he had "super spehsul choosen one" MC hax power that allows him to win against Gil and Archer

He beat Archer because Archer gave up, Gil lost because he is dumb as fuck amd UBW is better than GOB but even so UBW would be useless against most other servants so it isn't like it's a "Gary stu power" as you implied

> I think it is a very valid argument that the way Shirou is watered down to be relatable also contribute to his downfall as a character.

Yeah, you didn't read the VN

>>145202056

>>145202880(Cont.)

> A lot of anons are not buying that an average schmuck with 2 weeks magic training can beat Gil the king of heroes

1) Shirou has been training with magic ever since he was a child and Kiritsugu teached him (wrongly, for the specific purpose to make him give up)

2) Contact with Archer made him approach his level in the UBW route

3) Gilgamesh is a proud and retarded asshole

4) UBW >>GOB

5) The Nasuverse is full of situations where the weak beats the strong due to compatibility if you don't like that, go back to your shounen

>he does keep getting away with his dumb decisions.

More than 30 bad endings compared to 4 endings in which he lives

> TLDR; Shirou is a bad protagonist
>implying

>partly due to him being watered down audience surrogate to carry the VN while at the same time given hax power.

1) UBW isn't a hax power, Archer is a shit tier servant lore wise

2)Shirou is neither a self insert or an audience surrogate, he is his own character as evidenced by the fact that the VN develops itself around his characterization

>>145203065
>Archer is a shit tier servant lore wise
A shit tier servant who killed Herc six times.

>>145186703
I would unironically enjoy a Nasuverse Round Tabke soap opera.

>>145203065
>teached him

Let me guess you're some ASEAN who was introduced to fate by Gabriel Blessing?

>>145202135

> Self-insert = author's proxy in the story
But what people generally understand it as now = reader's proxy in the story

Through this definition it is even more clear that Shirou isn't a self insert protag

> This use of the argument "you don't literally know what it means" is a fallacious argument that hopes to shield that their MC is literally an insert that follows the second definition and how it's used in these threads.
>Implying

You're retarded, just because a story is told through a first person narrator it doesn't means the protagonist is the author's self insert (especially since Nasu is completely unlike Shirou and doesn't sees Shirou as himself) or the reader's

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>>145202056
>Peter Parker, the bullied nerd who could totally kick everyone's ass if he didn't have to keep his awesome powers a secret, is not a self-insert for comic geeks

>>145202880
>Because this isn't the case in F/SN
I inserted in FSN before, because I thought it was cool, so you can't say that isn't the case. When I was inserting so hard, I was angry that Gilgamesh was trying to NTR me from Saber.
Or that Rin had relationships with other men in HF. I felt as if it was my harem getting formed in the VN, especially in FHA. The only reason I stopped was because I grew up and thought "Man, I really did insert into a dumbfuck just because I like Saber."

Just because you say it's not true, doesn't mean it's not true at all.

Besides, if Saber (Arturia) really does end up having sex with Merlin because they really love each other, if you insert, you will feel NTR'd. I know that insertion in FSN is possible, because I did it before.

You just don't fucking know it yet, but you are inserting. Hard. Stop lying to yourself.

>>145203211

>Muh grammar

Grow up, mistakes happen

>>145203158

>Archer killed Herk 6 times

Because of compatibility

In the 5th war, in a direct fight he'd be stomped by Saber, Rider, Lancer and Berserker

Caster is a shitter and part of the weakest class, True Assassin is weak as fuck too and False Assassin, while better than him in close combat, would lose due to ranged combat since he is limited to the Mountain gate

>>145203326
>Through this definition it is even more clear
No. You don't understand. You do NOT need to be the same personality as the person you are inserting/using as a proxy in order to do so.

Because if that was the case, no one would insert into Keitaro Urashima. No one would insert into so many harem MCs. The only thing you need to insert into a character is that you choose to insert into the character. That's it.
They become your proxy because you choose them to be your proxy.

This is why so many people who get caught in "vanilla that is actually NTR" stories get angry. They insert into the MC and then when the big bad NTR guy shows up, they're so invested into the original MC, they can't handle the twist in the story.

>You're retarded,
This statement has nothing to do with what I said. I said you using the "it doesn't actually mean that way" argument is a fallacious argument that shields the fact that you are inserting or using a character as an insert in the reader proxy manner.

>>145202880
>>145203065
I can't believe how warped up your mind to defend ALL of the writing in FSN. There are good parts and bad parts, but what you just did is an unfettered shilling. Too lazy to refute all your retarded points but

>>he does keep getting away with his dumb decisions.
>More than 30 bad endings compared to 4 endings in which he lives

The ending which he lives he acts in utterly retarded way. That's what the anon was saying he keeps getting away with acting retarded. For example jumping in front of Berserker to save Saber, following Saber to fight Caster, and following Saber & Rider to the top of the tower. If you make a sane decision on not to jump into fights between servants (which they drilled home before with Lancer killing you multiple times if you do) you get a bad end.

>>145203584
It's not a grammar issue it's that teached isn't a fucking word

>>145203383
Yeah. I think the same thing applies actually to when you beat Shinji up in the VN.

>>145186131
What kind of magic did they even use in Saber's time? Why wasn't there an Archer of that time?

>>145202880
>> his design is boring and bland because the creator wants to make him relatable to your average joe VN reader physically
>His design is simple but not for the made up reasons you stated

Then for what fucking reason? Lack of imagination on Nasu's part to come up with iconic MC? Come on we all know that's not true based on the design of other characters. Shirou is designed that way aesthetically so he is relatable to your average japanese highschooler.

>>145203699
>Jumping in front of Berserker was retarded
But it wasn't? I mean, it was far better decision than trying to outrun someone 40 times faster than you. Which was the second choose there.

>>145203396

> I inserted in FSN before, because I thought it was cool,

Yes, retarded and deranged people do that sometimes

Doesn't means you are meant to do that

> When I was inserting so hard, I was angry that Gilgamesh was trying to NTR me from Saber.

Holy autism

> Or that Rin had relationships with other men in HF. I felt as if it was my harem getting formed in the VN, especially in FHA


What a sad existence you lead

HA Shirou isn't even Shirou btw

> The only reason I stopped was because I grew up and thought "Man, I really did insert into a dumbfuck just because I like Saber."

You were retarded, true, but that doesn't means Shirou is a dumbfuck because of it. The story he is part of was not the one forcing you to self insert, you did on your own accord

> Just because you say it's not true, doesn't mean it's not true at all.

Right back at you

> Besides, if Saber (Arturia) really does end up having sex with Merlin because they really love each other

Are you that GoA shitter from /fgog/?

Didn't summary anon already BTFO you and your delusions?


> If you insert, you will feel NTR'd. I know that insertion in FSN is possible, because I did it before.

Even if that happened it is dumb to imply something like NTR because the Saber that is with Shirou isn't the same one that would be with Merlin because of multiverse

> You just don't fucking know it yet, but you are inserting. Hard. Stop lying to yourself.
>You are self inserting because I say so!

You can do better than that, surely

>>145203584
>Because of compatibility
Compatibility against GH just means being really strong.

Why do people misuse the term "job", "jobber" and "jobbing"?

>>145203717

>Correcting words in 2017

Sad

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>>145192245
Nah, he beat Lancelot this time around

After lancelot realized Agavain was in the right all along. Then he went to sleep in King Arthur's lap

>>145203935

>I don't know how God Hand works

Wew

To beat GH you need variety, one guy with just one really strong NP won't be able to defeat Herk if he doesn't has variety or if his NP doesn't takes a lot of lives at once

>>145203915
You're completely missing the point. You do not need to be the same personality as the character you are inserting into.
The many people who write fanfiction extolling the virtues of their MC, conquering women left and right, they are these same people who insert. And when people call their MC an insert character, they rightfully get angry, because it is an affront not only to the character, but to them.

You know why I know you insert? Because of what you are doing right now.

>>145198803
Arturia didn't sleep with her sister.

iirc, Morgan, possessed by jealousy due to her father loving Arturia more because she took the throne, set a trap, where Arturia ended up losing Caliburn.

This was during her pseudo male period, and Morgan took this chance to steal some genetic material and implant it in herself to create Mordred.

>>145204047
I'm not sure having your entire body get wrecked is worth sleeping in King Arthur's lap.

>>145185072
thumbnail makes her look like a midget

>>145204094
Why doesn't everyone just do good and get God Hand?

>>145204094
Yeah, you need a variety of really strong attacks to do it multiple times. And by killing Herc half a dozen times Emiya demonstrated that he's really strong.

>>145190050
Zerobabies don't count as fans.

>>145204215
>set a trap
In the legends, it was getting Arthur drunk.

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>>145204141
#rektd

>>145204244
Because God Hand comes from the 12 labors, which is exclusive to Herc.

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Nice thread.

>>145203888
>But it wasn't? I mean, it was far better decision than trying to outrun someone 40 times faster than you. Which was the second choose there.

Both decisions ends up with you getting rekt'd. But if you jump in front of Saber like a moron you get Wolverine healing factor while if you act sanely, despite out of desperation the healing factor doesn't kick in.

Same deal with the decision to pursue Rider vs. Saber. The result of the fight was the same, that Rider got nuked by Excalibur but for some reason if you don't pursue them you get killed by Ilya the next day, while if you pursue her you only get kidnapped and spared.

Point is that the VN keeps rewarding your/Shirou bad suicidal decisions for no goddamn reason and you/Shirou gets away with it through sheer power of plotarmor, rather than your/Shirou's wits.

>>145189066
>seriously getting triggered by gender issues in fucking 4chan of all places
I think you lost your way famalan.

>>145203699

>>145203699

> I can't believe how warped up your mind to defend ALL of the writing in FSN.

I never did that, though?

> There are good parts and bad parts, but what you just did is an unfettered shilling

I just countered your incorrect arguments
I did not say F/SN was perfect

> The ending which he lives he acts in utterly retarded way.

And that's why he isn't a self insert, to progress you have to chose decisions based on Shirou's estabilished character behavior

That of a utterly strange self sacrificial person tha a normal person can't simply understand from the start

>That's what the anon was saying he keeps getting away with acting retarded.

Nah, you're exaggerating a lot right now

> For example jumping in front of Berserker to save Saber

He didn't cared about his life atm, he wasn't thinking that he would be able to defeat Berserker he just wanted to do something because of the screwed up way he thinks

That decision works to

1)Show Shirou's mentality
2)Foreshadow Avalon, otherwise it'd be an asspull

> following Saber to fight Caster

Confirmed for not reading the VN

Shirou(in Fate) choses to stay home rather than go after Caster, Saber is the one who goes after her and meets Assassin

> and following Saber & Rider to the top of the tower.

How is that dumb? It causes Saber to win the fight because she straight up uses Excalibur instead of trying to fight Bellerophon

> If you make a sane decision on not to jump into fights between servants (which they drilled home before with Lancer killing you multiple times if you do) you get a bad end.

Example?

Sometimes it's the opposite even, in UBW, after Archer betrays Rin if you make Shirou jump to early they all die

>>145204255

>EMIYA
>Strong

Kek, he has variety and can BP weapons

That's why he was able to kill Herk 6 times

On the other hand, this doesn't works against most other non rampaging beast like heroic spirits that leave their defense open

Compatibility is the key for the fights in the Nasuverse

>>145204600
No, I mean, it was straight up more sane and sound tactical decision. Trying to save your only fighter is better than trying to outrun an opponent 40 times faster than you with all of three seconds of a handicap.

>>145204141

> You're completely missing the point. You do not need to be the same personality as the character you are inserting into.

The point of a self insert MC Is to be a blank character with no strong personality traits that might clash with the reader, instead he develops in the way the reader wants

Shirou isn't like that

> The many people who write fanfiction extolling the virtues of their MC, conquering women left and right, they are these same people who insert.
>Bringing fanfiction in the discussion

Good one, autismo

> You know why I know you insert?Because of what you are doing right now.
>Still because I s-say so!!

But explain, what am I doing right now? Saying Shirou isn't a self insert MC? How does this prove anything?

The retard who self inserted in F/SN is not me, it's you senpai

>>145204830
>Kek, he has variety and can BP weapons
Yes, and he is strong because of it. If you can bring the sort of firepower that can overcome God Hand, A-rank END, and Battle Continuation A well enough to kill with one shot, that means you're strong. Especially so if you can do it at least six times in a row.

>>145203396
So this is the backstory of an /a/utist, huh?

>>145205119

He could do that because of compatibility, Herk is brought down by his own madness and leave his defense to GH while focusing 100% on attack therefore Archer just needs to Dodge and do his magic

He can't do the same thing with Lancer, Rider or Saber for example, they'd rekt him

>>145201035
There are two different characters with pretty much the same design, Lancer Arturia (the one you summon from the gacha) and the Lion King (the one you fight in the story).

Lancer Arturia is basically just Saber Arturia, but she preferred her spear to her sword and scabbard in life. This had a couple effects on her, most notably it didn't slow down her aging, so she got tits. The less obvious effect was that it made her a little bit more detached from her humanity, sort of like a Divine Spirit, but given the relative shortness of her life it's hardly noticeable. As for her appearance, she probably started wearing full armor to hide her MASSIVE TITS during life.

The Lion King's life was completely identical to Saber Arturia's until immediately after Camlann, because Bedivere couldn't bring himself to return Excalibur to the lake. Arturia couldn't truly die until Excalibur was returned, so she endured in some form, and kept her spear. Similar to Lancer Arturia, relying more on her spear after losing her sword and scabbard resulted in her aging to some extent and her perspective becoming more akin to a Divine Spirit's, but since she's been alive for many centuries the effects on her psyche are MUCH more apparent.

>>145203612

Yeah, you don't really know what a self insert protagonist is

Hint: self inserting is notbthe same thing as getting invested in a character

> This statement has nothing to do with what I said.

If we go by your dumb statement then pratically every single MC the public likes is supposed to be a self insert shitter

It's clearly not the case, stop lying

>>145205093
>the point
Again, you are fucking trying to conflate the two. You can insert into any character, but especially the character that you can rationalize and understand why you would insert into them (because the VN explains to you why the character thinks in that manner).
So in that manner, you do not need a blank character with no "strong" personality traits, which is also completely subjective and prone to interpretation.

You are inserting, but are in great denial. This is why you can't understand this.
Maximus from Gladiator, for example, is actually an insert character mainly designed for Americans. His down to earth, hard work, loyal and wanting to just till his farms but would sacrifice it for the better of the country ideal is something that is quite attractive to many in Middle America, and he is designed as such.

He is certainly a strong character that many inserted to in that movie and contributed to the box office success of the entire thing in America.

In that way, you can admire some of your VN protagonist's ideals as they are designed specifically for that purpose and made to be inserted into. That's why the VN is written the way it is.

FSN would not be popular if Saber, Rin, and Sakura ended up with other men at the endings of those routes, and you know that to be true at the back of your mind. Because all you'll think of is you got NTR'd by some random background character.

You are in denial as an inserter. That's all.

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Jesus fucking christ, are we really doing the "self-insert" argument again? We already know where this goes. You should all be ashamed.

>>145193552
That was only four fucking seals?

And didn't Arturia get some kind of similar upgrade that makes her just as broken, if not more?

>>145205410
So what's with Lancer Alter Arturia?

>>145197868
Never played Extra before but Gawain seems based from all his shit-talking

>>145205671
Hard to say, because her profile wasn't really updated after we got Lancer Artria (just a fix to her official height). She's probably just Saber Alter but for the Lancer version, though she does have a few lines about the Wild Hunt. I don't know if Lancer Arturia says anything about it.

>>145205551
HF normal is quite liked among the fans though. And a few bad ends like SLH, were Shirou dies.

>>145205551
Identifying with a character is not equal to self-inserting as one.

>>145205618
I just came here and the thread gradually went from cute posting to insert arguments again.
Never change, /a/.

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>>145205618
People never learn.

>>145205646
It works sort of opposite to EXcalibur, where if she goes against her Seals, it just makes her Excalibur weaker. So in a sense, we don't know what her full power Excalibur can do, but it's still nowhere near Arthur's.

>>145205551

>You can self insert in any character

Of course you can, but doing so is retarded and dumb

There are specific characters that are meant to be a reader's self insert and there are those that aren't meant to do that

In the same way understanding one character and getting invested in his story does not mean you are self inserting on him and consequently living vicariously through him

>You are inserting, but are in great denial
>B-because I say so!

This is getting old

>Muh examples

Get to the point

> In that way, you can admire some of your VN protagonist's ideals as they are designed specifically for that purpose and made to be inserted into. That's why the VN is written the way it is.


Shirou's ideals are strange and nonsensical why would I admire them? I admire him for sticking up to his own situation though, I like his development as a character and I enjoy his progression in the story


>
FSN would not be popular if Saber, Rin, and Sakura ended up with other men at the endings of those routes,

And? Reader getting invested in MC and rooting for him =\= self inserting amd living vicariously through MC like a no life retard

What you are doing is stupid, só ine can't like Shirou without self inserting? The only evidence that one isn't a self insert shitter is if they hate Shirou for some reason? You make no sense, senpai

> You are in denial as an inserter. That's all.
>M-maybe if I keep saying he will eventually believe me?

I pity you

>>145205975
And yet the most famous heroine is Saber, the only one who did not date/marry another man (Rin) and wasn't fucked by others in-game (Sakura).
>>145205977
The distance between identifying and insertion is that of paper.
The only test for that comes down to the NTR test. If you adamantly believe that all Sabers/Arturia should love your MC, then you are inserting. If not, you don't.
But it doesn't change the fact that FSN/FHA were both designed as otaku fapworks to have otaku insert into the MC to conquer (fap) heroines. If Saber ended up having sex with another man in or at the ending of Fate route, it literally would not be as popular as it is today.
Because it was designed for otaku insertion.

>>145205551
>Maximus from Gladiator, for example, is actually an insert character mainly designed for Americans
>Traits that somewhat matches with target audience automatically makes self-insert character
What is this logic even? Is Yang Wenli a self insert for lazy but smart people who support democracy? Is Shinji Ikari a self-insert for insecure people with depression? What doesn't count as self-insert anymore?

>>145206215
You need to get help man.