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Throughout the series Reina has shown to be really good at reading Fold Waves. Is Reina the next wind singer?
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>>145147882
Maybe she's specially sensitive to fold waves, but not a powerful emitter. If that's the case, I don't think she could be a wind singer.
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>>145147963
Walkure are all sensetive to fold waves.
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A wind singer is someone who's in tune with nature. Sources for this: are the delta glossary, as well macross zero (slightly different term there?) and I think, the frontier movies.
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A Wind Singer is someone who has "a voice that travels faster than light and even beyond dimensions"

Source: Freyja, episode 5. Starting at 6:30 into the episode.
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>>145147882
I hate Reina! Dirty singer, dirty songs!
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>>145148001
I know, but OP is pointing out Reina is particularly sensitive. Like, she realizes that Freyja and Hayate are syncing before anyone else. There's a moment like that in episode 18, for example. She open her monitor because she could felt something what's going on with Freyja and Hayate.
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>>145148064
the fold wave here is pretty similar to gravity wave in real life.
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>>145148064
>A Wind Singer is someone who has "a voice that travels faster than light and even beyond dimensions"
Which means a voice charged with fold waves.
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>>145147882
If you are able to tell how fast someone is runing, will you be the next usain bolt?
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Reminder that Hayate's feelings for Freyja are fake and Freyja will die alone for mind-controlling Hayate into loving her.
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>>145148140
Not just any waves. Super strong fold waves that can transcend time and space.

I believe only Mikumo, and Freyja have shown to be able to do this (and Heinz as well). Iirc, when Freyja sang Giraffe Blues to save cat dad, Heinz and Gramia were capable of hearing her all the way back in Windermere.
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Think wind dancer is a thing?
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>>145147882
Reina's mouth is sexy. Would stick my penis in.
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>>145148064
The only people who has been shown to be able to do this is Heinz. I would have included Mikumo and Freyja, however their is a big flaw in this theory. The only people Freyja's songs traveled to are Windies, and Mikumo's songs only traveled to Hienz/Kieth.

Of course Windies would be able to feel their songs, because of their runes. They can also feel Kaname, Makina and Reina's also. Until their songs reaches someone without a rune (at a great distance, and without amps), Mikumo and Freyja can't be confirmed Wind Singers.
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>>145148254
Bogue pls. Control your fucking runes.
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>>145148209
Reminder that Hayate is mind controlling Freyja for free buffs, resulting in both of them mind controlling each other.
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>>145148200
Most likely. Because only machines are able to precisely record how fast someone is running.
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>>145148257
Well, to be fair, Heinz is using a fuck tone of amplifiers to reach that far. I don't think he could do it without amps or even with normal equipment like what Walkure is using.
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>>145147882
Reina a cute.
CUTE!
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>>145148257
You're forgetting that Heinz uses that portal thing to make his song reach further, so he does have "amps" of sorts. As for Mikumo and Freyja we do have yet to see if they can reach outside planets and can be heard by people who aren't Windies.
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>>145148215
>I believe only Mikumo, and Freyja have shown to be able to do this (and Heinz as well).
I don't think its accurate to full consider Mikumo and Freyja until they have done this on a person who doesn't have runes. Heinz and Grama have runes which allow them to sense the slightest disturbances. Especially Heinz since he has the largest and strongest runes.
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>>145148257
This objection of yours make no sense

So what? The king heard it from Windermere. It had to have travelled there virtually instantly. The king can't "hear" it faster than other beings. It don't work like that.
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>>145148209
>>145148320
Reminder that Hayate and Freyja will marry and live happily together thinking that they are mind controlling each other.
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>>145148325
What?
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>>145148257
>without amps
Then Heinz isn't really a wind singer either. Without special amps only Walkure could hear him. Now he's using Sigur Valens, which is filled to the brims with fold waves amps, to power his singing.
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>>145148325
That doesn't make you fast. Realizing something and able to do it are two complete different things.
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>>145148366
>>145148408
This would have been a solid counter, and I did take this into consideration. However that device is just a protoculture relic, which is used to communicate with the runes.

Not only that, during the scene where Hienz was crowned king. He achieved the same thing by singing without that device.
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>>145148221
Not right now but it will be.
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>>145148501
Heinz's song is being powered by the Sigur Valens, They specifically said it's equipped with tones of fold wave amplifiers. Before he got Sigur Valens only Walkure could hear his song.
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>>145148440
The king didn't hear anything. He felt it through his runes.

>>145148468
Walkure both heard and felt him singing during his coronation process. Hienz was not using the special amps during then
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>>145147882
I swear Reina's popularity here has increased since Bogue developed a runeboner for her.

Is /a/ full of Bogues?
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>>145148501
>He achieved the same thing by singing without that device.
He was in the same spot as was shown in Mikumo's flashbacks. Most likely it's a specially designed place and it's full of fold quartz too.
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>>145148584
>Walkure both heard and felt him singing during his coronation process. Hienz was not using the special amps during then
His song was being amplified. You see Sigur Valen lighting up like a xmas tree. That's the amp.
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>>145148608
No, /a/ is full of autistic shippers.
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>>145148608
Where do you think the tsundere "idolshit" comments come from?
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>>145148572
Yes, this is true. However it is just amplifying what Heinz can already do, and making it stronger. Hienz was able to sing without the Sigur Valens when he was crowned king, and was still able to cause Var at a great distance.

If Makina was singing at the Sigur Valens, I highly doubt it would work. It may work for either Mikumo and Freyja however we can't be 100% sure until they show an ability to reach people at great distance without the amps. Perhaps they will be able to do this once they are at their full strength
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I think anons have forgotten something crucial in that VAR/mind control Freyja fucking up Hayate theory. As far as we know (stated in the anime) not even Heinz can mind control someone just like that. And he can't VAR them either. Hence why they resorted to the apples and water. Once they are VAR'ed, only then can they be mindcontrolled. Fold waves alone can't fuck shit up.
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>>145148647
You ship you win. If BoguexRei doesn't happen its not water off my back. If it does. There'll be a shitstorm and I'll be the one laughing
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>>145148608
I just remembered I was shipping Bogue x Freyja before episode 8. Holy shit, how embarrassing.
Bogue is a joke and I hope he will die by the end of the series.
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>>145148699
I ship Kairos x Grunt Drakken. We've barely see both.
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>>145148608
Reina's popularity has always been there, even before Bogue. You never noticed the attacking that one Reina hater. They little swarm out of nowhere to defend her when she is being ill spoken
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Real talk, Makina or Reina?

And yes, there's an OR there for a reason. If you try to ignore it don't even bother answering
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>>145148692
>However it is just amplifying what Heinz can already do, and making it stronger. Hienz was able to sing without the Sigur Valens when he was crowned king, and was still able to cause Var at a great distance.
No, you can see Sigur Valens is there. Even if he's not inside, the ship still responds to his song and amplifies the fold waves.
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>>145148695
Didnt Heinz VAR the NUNs the fuck up just some episodes ago, no apples and water involved?

I believe the statment only holds true before he had his amplifier.
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>>145148828
Makina. 80% because dem tiddies, 20% because she's a mechafag.
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>>145148608
Interestingly she is the only walkure member whose merchandise always gets sold out at delta events. Is bogue buying all her merch?
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>>145148842
>>145148692
And here's the ship responding to the song in the same scene.
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>>145148843
Could be. But remember that it was also stated that the water and apples that the Windies infected were the same ones that were given as rations to the military. Therefore we can also say that the NUNS were probably infected before coming into contact with Heinz' mind control.
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>>145147882
>Throughout the series Reina has shown to be really good at reading Fold Waves. Is Reina the next wind singer?
She is going to be the next Walkure leader.
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>>145148828
Reina-chan is kawaii
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>>145148904
fuck, forgot the pic
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>>145148866
This. You can fuck BOTH her AND her valks. Literally dream.
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>>145148828
Faved Makina since 0.89. I'm stubbornly hopeful.
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>>145148699
I want that ship to happen because if would be hilarious in the series (Reina would whip runpika boy into submission fast), and the shitstorm would be priceless. Don't think it's going to go beyond Bogue's one-sided boner.
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>>145148828
They both are mistake.
Silent Hacker is the worst Walkure song.
Jiritikku Beginner is the second worst Walkure song.
"Just like sisters" gimmick is annoying.
Walkure should have been 3 girls group. Freyja, Mikumo and Kaname.
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when is Mirage going to do fucking something?
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>>145149196
In the final battle
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>>145149196
>Mirage
Who?
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>>145149170
Kaname isn't even all that special. Her design and personality are both boring. Her storyline could have been easily swapped with Makina and Reina. Plus Reina's VA is the better singer of the three
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I still believe.
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>>145149324
We all believe, <<buddy>>.
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>>145149324
In what exactly?
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>>145149324
Nope
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This is the last boss.
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>>145147882
I can read a lot of books. Does that make me the next great writer?
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>>145149170
I have a feeling that Kaname's story is to leave Walkure and stop playing idols.
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Question.

Are we clear on Hayate having romantic feelings for Freyja or is it still a "maybe"?
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>>145149498
Actually it does.
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>>145149528
Does it look to you as maybe when he all the time thinks about her?
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>>145149528
Theres of course the possibility of his urges to plunge his penis into Freyja being non romantic.
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>>145149381
Fuck off.
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>>145149586
Oh no. To me it's pretty clear that he sees her in a romantic light now. I was just wondering everyone else's view on it.
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>>145149528
I'm not sure I could call it love but like, crush, whatever similar, for sure.
Better question would be: What makes you think he doesn't have romantic feelings for her?
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>>145149170
You are a mistake.

-dad
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>>145149738
No, I think he definitely sees her in a romantic light as well now. Like you said, perhaps not outright love, but it's definitely at least a crush at this point.

I was only asking because I wanted to know what others thought on the matter. I think episode 22 is where it'll be solidified that he loves her, and not just a simple crush.

I'm optimistic but I don't want to be too optimistic in the case that something stupid like Freyja choosing not to be with Hayate in the end happens for whatever reason, like her sacrificing herself.
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>>145149528
Honestly don't feel like i'm qualified to answer

I'm shipping them kinda hard, and to me, the last few episodes have been pretty romantic. I mean I know I'm a shipper, so I admit there's a huge possibility i'm just overinterpreting anything Hayate did with regards to Freyja since episode 16, as romantic. I dunno, i'd like to know how a genuinely neutral person sees his actions lately
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>>145149999
>I think episode 22 is where it'll be solidified that he loves her, and not just a simple crush.
Yeah, I also think this will be the moment for both of them to confess or at least for Hayate to go one step higher and says he loves her. All that talk about episode 22, it means it's gonna be a big one and not only for Freyja.

>I'm optimistic but I don't want to be too optimistic in the case that something stupid like Freyja choosing not to be with Hayate in the end happens for whatever reason, like her sacrificing herself.
That's true for myself. I think at the end it will be Freyja's choice if she wants to be with Hayate or not, rather than him. Unless of the event of her dying during the anime, in which I believe Hayate won't turn to Mirage for "comfort".
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>>145149641
Typical aggressive miragefags, the cancer of delta threads
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>>145150183
No, fuck off with your AC memes.
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>>145150183
No, that's our little poor AC-hating autist.
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>>145147882
She will die.
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>>145150268
Fuck off with your off topic shitposting.
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>>145150169
I doubt Freyja won't make it out of the anime alive though. As far as I know, Kawamori has yet to kill a Macross MC. Also not too mention that he's huge on understanding and happy endings.
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>>145150305
I don't know how Kawamori works but I really hope, deep in my soul, he won't kill Freyja. I would rather have her alive and continue living, even those 15 years of hers, rather than confess to Hayate, he confesses back and then dies.
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So next episode Hayate is injured, and Freyja isn't allowed to see him because her fold magic almost killed him. Mirage takes it upon herself to help take care of injured Hayate, and Hayate sees her for the sexy space elf she is.... or she will stare at him from afar for an entire 2 seconds and still be irrelevant. Probably the second one.
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>>145150480
Fuck off.
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Reminder that they're just friends.
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Guys, please report.
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>>145150468
>and Hayate sees her for the sexy space elf she is
This is OOC AU fic, mate.
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>>145150508
>>145150541
Awe! Cute, Stop flirting.
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>>145150284
So will you.
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On a scale of 1 to 10. How likely is it that Hayate calls out Freyja's name while he's unconscious?

I'm going with an 8.5
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>>145150568
Friends that engage in sexual intercourse on a regular basis.
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>>145150692
Or wakes up suddenly while yelling her name.
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>>145150413
Yeah I see no reason why she has to die. It's bad enough she's only got 15-20 years to live. She doesn't deserve that shit.
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>>145150413
Oh yeah totally, same. If it came between Hayate and Freyja becoming a couple to Freyja dying in the end vs. Them not getting together but Freyja getting to live the rest of her life happily, I'm 100% on board with Freyja living happily without Hayate as a boyfriend.

I care more about Freyja than the ship.
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>>145150765
Oooh that'd be nice as well. And when he sees she's not around he gets out of bed to frantically search for her.
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>>145150787
I doubt she'd find another boy who'd kill and make it snow for her.
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Did the lyrics to Aura Saara (Heinz's non-Var song) ever get translated? They may have clues to the purpose of the Wind Singer and the ruins.
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>>145150468
Mirage isn't sexy, so he has no reason to see her as such
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>>145150891
It has actual lyrics? I always thought it sounded like him moaning the alphabet and making random noises sound pretty.
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I kind of wish a captured by Windermere episode had happened since I want to see Heinz interact with Freyja and Shinpi
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>>145150880
Hayate is truly the best BF. He'd kill for you but then also make you hot chocolate and make it snow when you're sad.
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>>145150984
It's supposedly sung in Windermerean. The OST came with a "translation" to Japanese.
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>>145150990
I'd kill for Shinpi / Heinz interaction. Specially after episode 18.
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>>145150631
Ain't butthurt belkans cute? Wizard 1, he said you're cute.
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Do we know what date Hayate and Freyja met? Even the month if possible?
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>mfw we get to episode 22 and it doesn't live up to our hyped expectations or we were trolled by staff into thinking it was going to be the second coming of jesus
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>>145151066
Isn't it french?
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According to his VA, Roid's got the best interest of Windermere in his heart but has different methods from Keith's.

Novels do make it seem like Windermere is being tug fought between NUNS and anti NUNS both being shady as fuck and Roid appears to fuck them up.
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>>145151454
We have exact date. It was April 20th.
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>>145151694
Holy shit, how did you notice such a detail?
Thank you.
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>>145151072
Keith better stand ready for Heinz, considering how Mikumo molested him with her voice
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>>145151454
No exact date. All we know is it in 2067. And Messer flight log points to Hayate being with Delta Platoon since August. Then take off the month that he was in training. So Hayate and Freyja perhaps met somewhere around June 2067.
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>>145151694
Holy shit that's insane. How the hell did you even notice that?!
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So wait how long has Walkure been a thing, since Freyja's been a huge fan of them for a long time now, and her only exposure to human music was that music player she got as a little girl
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>>145151694
So Hayate and Freyja have been friends for at least 7 months. Wait why'd we skip Hayate's birthday? Would have been nice if we saw Freyja think of a gift first.
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>>145152107
Well Hayate's birthday was somewhere around the time of Messer's death. I doubt anyone was up for celebrating. But yeah, it would've been nice to have seen Freyja give him a gift.

Remember how we all thought episode 16 was going to be Freyja's birthday but then episode 15 made us think it would be Hayate's birthday instead? And then episode 16 aired and it was actually Freyja's birthday all along.

Sasuga Kawamori. Always stringing us along.
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>>145151834
>>145151694
We do have an exact date now.
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>>145152090
5 years. Walkure was created in 2062. But it changed its members several times.
I think Kaname joined 2 years ago, then were Reina and Makina, and then finally Mikumo.

>>145152107
>Would have been nice if we saw Freyja think of a gift first.
She would give Hayate her virginity as a present
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>>145152376
>She would give Hayate her virginity as a present

Silly anon. It's obvious she'll give to give on his 18th birthday. That day he'll not only become an adult, but also a man.
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>>145152455
If Freyja had sex with Hayate, would she be jailed? She's a middle aged lady having sex with a minor.
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KANAME-SAN!
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>>145152496
Hayate wouldn't be a minor anymore since she'd pop his cherry on his 18th birthday.
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>>145150990
>>145151072
Shinpi/Heinz interaction can still happen if they make direct contact again through song, just not by being kidnapped
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>>145152496
Isn't Freyja considered a Windies version of a Christmas cake?
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>>145152578
What if she fucked him before his 18th birthday?
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>>145152645
For all sakes and purposes Freyja is 15 years old, a minor. She's not a middle aged woman. She has the body of a teenager. Windermereans just begin to age faster in their late 20s.
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>>145152529
Please be happy, Kaname-san...
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>>145152496
How badly would Bogue get triggered by windermereans racemixing with humans?
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>>145152645
She could always tell it was rape and Hayate would be jailed instead.
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So Hayate and Freyja were mind melding right?
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>>145152740
He'd attempt to hatefuck Reina.
She'd overpower him and claim his 15 y.o. cherry instead, all the while laughing at him. Makina tapes it so she and Reina can fondle each other later.
At the end they leave Bogue crying in bed.
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What the fuck is Hayate waiting for? Freya only has a short amount of time left, and he needs to turn her into a baby factory.
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>>145152820
Poor Bogue, i want him to be raped by Ange.
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I was being a Freyjafag and thinking "On Hoina RL 15th birthday I'll re-watch the episode to remember how cute she is".

Until I fucking realized that's until November 3rd 2067. I'm going to be 76 by then. I might not even be alive anymore. Fucking hell.
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>>145152883
We will all be dead by then. Just rewatch it on this year's november.
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>>145152861
How long does it take for her species to give birth?

Do you think they grow pouches?

Do you think their kids will eat their mothers rune?

What happens when they lose their rune?
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>Cassim had his son at age 17
>which means he must've had sex while 16 or after having just turned 17, and more or less the same for his waifu
How has this show not been cancelled for supporting pedophilia?
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>>145152740
He'd hook up with most petite meltran miclone he can find, Reina.
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>>145152883
>I'm going to be 76
Dude most of us will be dead by 60.

Only about 30% live to 60 10% live to 75 and less than 3% live past 85
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>>145152946
At 13, Japan's base age of consent is the lowest of any developed country. However, many prefectures also have local "corruption of minors" or "obscenity statutes" (淫行条例) which raise the de-facto age of consent to 16-18, unless they are in a "sincere romantic relationship", usually determined by parental consent.
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Why don't the Windies just crossbreed with Zents to increase their lifespan?
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>>145152946
That's not pedophilia.
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>>145153019
When did Japs do away with the whole "a woman needs to be in here 50's" in order to choose her marriage herself bit
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>>145152376
Makina was apart of Walkure before Kaname. Reina joined after Kaname, then finally Mikumo.
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>>145148828
The one who isn't a cardboard cutout.
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Apparently, Delta takes place only only a few years after Frontier. I haven't seen Frontier and I have no idea what happened to its characters, but wouldn't it make sense to recruit Sherly into the Walkure (she should about 25 at the time Delta takes place) given that due to her lineage she probably has fold receptors.

Is the V-type infection from Frontier related to Var in any way? If the page on Mao Nome on Macross wiki is any indication, it is(?)
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>>145152998
Excuse you. As a Mexican female my life expectancy is until the age of 79.5. Plus both of my families sides have a tendency to live past the age 80. My great great grandmother lived until the age of 107.

Better start eating kale and granola as of now, motherfuckers.
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>>145152740
I'm pretty sure that the final episode when Hayate and Freyja do a super love-love Fold beam wave, Bogue will realize that it's okay to not hate "all" the Earthlings
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>>145153189
The V-type infection from Frontier is related to the enimes in that series, which was the Vajra. Sheryl and Ranka wouldn't be that much help since they are both as equally strong as Kaname, Reina and Makina
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>>145153269
>Makina giving Bogue the finger while looking dopey
kek
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>>145153269
He'd be fucking Reina by then.
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Lord Andria when?
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So, what Mikumo did was a warning, right? It seems that she(?) interrupted whatever was going on with ruins and also intimidated Heinz, who was dicking around with the system. Song text is rather peculiar too
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>>145149196
She's spying on Freyja and Hayate for Xaos researchers according to the novel. Watching them is part of her duty.
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>>145153620
Great. So now her stalking them is being justified.
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>>145153575
Dead
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is the new single out yet?
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>>145153611
>Mikumo: "Don't fuck with muh ruins, you little shit."
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>>145153575
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>>145148894
Is bogue kawamori self-insert?
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>>145152946
Both underage means not pedo.
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HayaFre kiss when?
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>White Knight
>rides are Black
Explain
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>>145153701
I bet Ozma got him into Fire Bomber. Press F. Good night sweet Prince.
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>>145153665
Doesn't look very romantic when she keeps talking about them as test subjects behind their backs.
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>>145153818
Nigga looks more like a Minmayfag to me
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Why are Windermerean men so hot and humans so...not. Oh well, at least Freyja chose Hayate and he's cute enough.

Keith though. Damn him and his stupidly attractive face.
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>>145153701
If he had survived, things would have been different. He could have sic SMS on the NUNShit.
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>>145153796
JUst before one of them dies.
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>>145153816
He's but a Roid's white knight on a black horse with wings
Is there something you don't understand, anon
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>>145153877
>implying he wasn't a Sherylfag

>>145153816
Because the war made they edgy. This was the previous White Knight >>145153701 Hayate dad killed him with that bomb. He was a member of SMS and he fought Galaxy with his Frontier pals.

Truly a hero we deserved.
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>>145153909
>implying Windermere women aren't hot as fuck too
Even the background ladies were 10/10. And Freyja is a goddess.
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>>145153909
Because they descendent from Mikumo.
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>>145153968
Windie people are just so damn attractive in general.

Ngl, I'm still holding out for second son-kun to make an anime appearance asking Freyja to come back to Windermere and marry him.
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>>145153953
Roid is the 'Holy Knight'.
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Why did Mikumo tear off Heinz's clothes?
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>>145153968
That brown-hair curls cutie...
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>179 posts
>41 posters
stop trying so hard. we don't need a 24 hour general
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>>145153968
>only ugly background people are the runeless faggots
kek
The one eye covered guy could even star in the show with how fancy he looks, same with the sharp eyed, black haired dude, and the curly blonde guy below
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>>145153816
>we blackened our wings
They were originally supposed to be white.
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>>145154083
Because he's a cute shota. Who wouldn't want to see him naked?
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>>145147882
Is Reina /a/ secret favorite character?
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>>145154083
It symbolizes that he has nothing on her, nor abilities, nor even simpler things like clothes
Or maybe she just felt like songraping him
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>>145154291
A little bit of both, methinks. If you had a cute shota at your mercy you'd also want to stain his soul.
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What do you think Mikumo is?

Protoculture? Protodevlin? Modified Windie? Human with protoculture alien blood? Rudanjal Rom Mayan?
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>>145154529
Protoculture.
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>>145154529
Probably the original Wind Singer who can actual control the protocolture and the fates of the Windies with her songs.
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>>145153911
>If you search nunshit in archive you will find it's just random shitposting which ignores current thread topics with majority of posts being from 23:00-24:00 UTC.
I'm a little bit disgusted that I started noticing these things. Looks like some retard wakes up and decides to start his day with a shitpost on /a/.
Good morning, shithead.
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I'm calling it now. Mikumo was the one to inforce the Windermerean lifespan as a punishment/restriction on her people and in the end she'll be the one to fix it.
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Why doesn't Delta have the dank memes Frontier had?
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>>145153968

Those were probably nobles, the working class Windies like Kassim are pretty average.
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>>145154776
No, these are the nobles.
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>>145154529
Protoculture wind singer
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>>145154755
The only thing close to memes are the Freyjaisms.
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>>145154776
Why the hell do they build things like this anyway
Cliffs! Mountains! Buildings on the very edge of said cliffs etc.
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>>145154529
Original Windie with normal lifespan that was able to grow her fold powers that allowed her to mind-control even the Protoculture, forcing them to seal her away and placed restricted lifespan on all future Windie. Or, if you want pottery, she's the original sin.
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>>145154967
She was a demon that brought destruction and was sealed. Yes.
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"The apple became a symbol for knowledge, immortality, temptation, the fall of man and sin."

I'd state the obvious about how Windermere and the anime give a lot of focus to apples, it's a recurring theme.

My theory is that Windermere weren't always meant to die at 30. It's possible that the first Windies were Immortal protectors of the protocolture (Mikumo may be one of the originals). However because her descendants started to fall to the "temptation and sin" of their superior physical strengths and affinity to wind, she could've manipulated the protocolture to restrict their lifespan to 30 years as punishment and a way to keep them in check.
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And now she returns, as a great hero.
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>>145155245
Cum Historia, my friend.
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>>145154834

Upper class then. I doubt they were inviting peasants to appear in their galaxy network nationalism spectacle.
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>>145155192
Why are you even using Christianshit when the apples they use is the Norse ones. Freyja is overlapped with Iddun, the guardian of apples.

>In Norse mythology, the golden apples are the source of the gods' immortality and perpetual youth; comparable to the role of ambrosia in Greek mythology. They are cultivated by—and most often associated with—the goddess Iðunn.
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>>145155192
The Jellyfish Creation Myth:

Ishmael is an Arabian man from the creation of the universe story via jellyfishes. Al-shahal is Arabian theme and is the 3rd party with Winderemere. Another huge theme this episode was Jellyfishes.

Important passage from Jellyfish creation story: “For many millions of centuries the life of the world was merely microorganisms floating helplessly in a chemical broth. But little by little, more complex forms appeared: single-celled creatures, slimes, algae, polyps, and so on. “But finally,” the creature said, turning quite pink with pride as he came to the climax of his story, “but finally jellyfish appeared!”

>https://drew-shelton-portfolio.wikispaces.com/file/view/The+Origin+of+the+Jellyfish+(from+Ishmael+by+Daniel+Quinn).pdf

>http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/i/ishmael/summary-and-analysis/part-3
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Windermere Fold Fault is actually the "Fold Wave Souls" of the dead Windermereans.

Its a parallel to Ragnan Jellyfish reincarnation myth
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>>145155777
Souns pretty 40k.
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inb4 ruins have an actual purpose completely different from what younger races think, like a seal system for some space tentacles
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>>145155673
Freyja is not overlapped with Idunn you dumb anon. The only thing they have in common is that Idunn has a "possible link" to fertility.

Did you know that Freyja was actually the one who lent Loki her Falcon shape so he could search for and capture Idunn? I am assuming that by overlapped you meant "confused as same person" but it's clearly stated that they are 2 completely different people.

As for your question. I merely used apples for their modern and universal symbolism.
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>>145155946
>space old ones

Wait that's just regular old ones
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The godess Freyja has a husband and his name is Óðr.

The Old Norse noun óðr may be the origin of the theonym Óðinn (Anglicized as Odin), and it means "mind", "soul" or "spirit" (so used in stanza 18.1 of the Poetic Edda poem Völuspá). In addition, óðr can also mean "song", "poetry" and "inspiration", and it has connotations of "possession".

Mind, soul, spirit, song, inspiration..

What does that remind you of?
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>>145153365
Actually, that's Reina giving Bogue the finger with her other arm reaching around
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>>145156525
>Mind, soul, spirit, song, inspiration..
>What does that remind you of?
Bogue?
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>>145156525
I dunno anon
Are you saying that this is going to be ANIMA SPIRITIA all over again
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>>145156649
Bogue is such a shit character.

>>145156663
Kawamori was all 420 up in this gig, girl.
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So now that Freyja and Hayate's lives are in danger they cannot end up together in fact Freyja is going to die in the ending telling Hayate she loves him.

Mirage will pick up the pieces
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>>145156649
If only. Bogue is too good for one liners meme girl. I wish he had a boner for an actual character and not a cardboard cutout. Bogue having a crush on Kaname for instance sounds cute, she can be his new onee-san.
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>>145157189
I want Reina and Makina to be his new onee-chans.
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>>145157089
>your whole post
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And here y'all tripping over a bit of rune magic

http://youtu.be/CyiJhEq4e-U
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>>145157342
ingenious earplug protection when
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>>145156525
Captain Planet?
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>>145156525
Freyja herself? Ooh selfcest is my fetist.
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Let's share a selfish kiss
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What Macross would I watch first as someone wanting to get into the series?

Please spoonfeed.
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>>145158662
SDF.
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>>145158547
I need that Teddyloid song in full version STAT.
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>>145158662

Watch in production order.
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>>145150468
>Hayate sees her for the sexy space elf she is.
It might happen if he didn't ignore her boobs in episode 14.
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>>145158547
How many dicks has this girl taken?
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>>145158841

Only Reina's.
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>>145158662
Just start watching Delta and catch up as you go.
Each one is a stand alone series that takes place in the same universe.
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>>145148221
We didn't get a dance lesson in anime but we can read it from anthology instead. Cute
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>>145158662
Production order. Skip Macross 7, it's a major waste of time. Zero is questionable.
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Why does Kawamori have to be mean to Minoringo and her husband? Does she wish her character interacted with Bogue more?
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>>145159080
>Skip Macross 7
>Zero is questionable

Your life is a waste of time. Kill yourself.
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>>145159080
>skip anything
Seriously, end your life.
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>>145159080
>not telling them to skip Plus too
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>>145147882

So is Rudanjal Mikumo's real name or what ?
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>>145159080

You think Macross 7 is a major waste of time, but that Zero is only "questionably" a waste of time?

Macross Zero is the biggest shit pile the series ever produced.
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>>145159204
I can't wait till Bogue succumbs to his inner idolfag.
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I might be really behind the ball since i just caught up but is it just me or do the runes on mikumo really look like the ones on the Zentradi from Macross II - Lovers Again just more flashy.
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>>145159243
Are you retarded? Zero had some good dogfights and the lore is more relevant to Delta than the others.
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>>145156525

Freyja is also the goddess of sorcery, war and death
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>>145159080
Zero was pretty good tho
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Solo Wing Mirage will save us from this twisted song
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>>145159494
She can't even save her lovelife
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GIRI GIRI FURUETERU
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>>145159549
First she needs to save herself, then the sector
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>>145159549
Reminder that Giraffe Blues is actually about Mirage being the worst girl
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>>145159654
MY LOVE THUNDER GROW FOR YOU
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>>145159317
Yeeeeee~
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>>145160671
...a sound of DISTANT THUNDER?!
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Mirage should marry and have children with a zentradi. It's the least she can do after being a fuck up. At least restore the next generation stemming from her towards better roots.
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>>145159549
She won't need that in a world with no idols
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Hnnnng. My biggest kink

Affectionate hand holding
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i hope the full GIRI GIRI MADE will also have the repeating JUNJOU
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Oh fucking hell. I go away for a few hours and this thread is now filled with nothing but shippers. Fuck this, I'm rooting for a sky-end now just to see all you fuckers burn and crash.
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>>145160840
But Roid cannot be both part of the idolfagging movement and part of a "world with no idols".
...awshit, he's an evil schemer.
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>>145160840
<<It's time>>
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>>145160862
Oh cute.
>>145160891
I heard it on radio. It also have JUNJOU chorus.
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Hayate's probably the kind of guy that likes to do the Gori Gori Hoina with socks on.
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How can someone be so best ?
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>>145160975
deal with it
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>>145159294
>Zero's lore is relevant compare to Delta

Of course it is since Zero's lore was based on true events and references.
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>>145159080
> Skip Macross 7
> Not Macross Plus
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>>145148069
>hate Reina
>blushes
>erect rune
Tsundere of the season
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>>145161329
>skip Macross Plus

you should consider suicide
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>>145161382
>>145161329

>Not just skipping everything
>watching Macross at all
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>6 months into their relationship Freyja asks Hayate to teach her how to dance like he does
>Hayate agrees and tell her to meet him in his room at 9 pm and to wear something comfortable
>When Freyja gets there, Hayate locks the door behind her
>... Hayate?
>Alright Freyja...today I will teach you how to do the horizontal tango.
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>>145161282
Birthdays and Cinderellas, Mirage!
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>>145161329
Watch first 5 if 7 and last 15 the rest could be called filler of the worst kind.
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>>145161456
>implying Freyja won't have already raped Hayate after Day 1
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>>145161472
>mfw
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>>145161494
There in a pitch black room, Hayate thinks the pink light her rune emits and basks over her naked body makes her seem even more sensual. The teasing smile she gives him along with her hooded eyes tells him all he needs to know and before he can even think about it, his calloused hands are traveling over the silky smooth skin of her legs until they reach her hips.
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>>145158662
Start with Delta. You don't need to watch others series to understand this. Then watch the others as you go along
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Crazy theory. All those times Mirage looked upset or distressed at Hayate and Freyja isn't jealousy, but guilt. She's working with SMS and they're probably gonna make her do something she'll regret in the end that will break the two apart.
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>>145162379
so that means when she's crying in episode 16, she wasn't feeling sad that she lost the bowl but it's because her heart is torn realizing that she had to break up such a nice relationship?
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>>145162379
But has she found reason to fight?
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>>145161881
Stop giving me morning boners
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>>145162379
Where did you even get the idea she's working for SMS? Besides SMS unlike NUNS are always good guys.
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>>145162512
Yeah. This twist might fix her character easy. It'll justify why she never made a move on Hayate despite being upset. She'll go from annoyingly shy do nothing girl to a sympathetic anti-hero.
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>>145162613
Doesn't the novel say she's working with SMS?
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>>145161881
moar
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>>145162735
No, Aisha who was a member of SMS is a member of Xaos now (researcher).
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>>145161881

Proceed with the story lieutenant
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>>145162735
Aisha, one of the heroines of 30 and a SMS member joined Chaos, Mirage is simply reporting shit of Freyja and Hayate to her.

The one who was a member of SMS was the late White Knight of Windermere, Lord Andria >>145153701 He helped Frontier against Galaxy, taking down two Lucifers.
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>Aisha quit SMS
>no mention of Leon in Xaos
>they just say she's a recluse and stays in her laboratory all the time

She lost the bowl officially, didn't she?
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>>145163089
>The one who was a member of SMS was the late White Knight of Windermere, Lord Andria
Oh I always thought the white knight was the king
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>>145163711
No, it was unusual for royalty or nobility to join the Aerial Knights. Keith was treated like some kind of weird case.

Gramia learned to fly because Ernest taught him.
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Either Reina are Makina are dead before the last episode.

We aint making it to the end with every Walkure member and you all know it
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>>145161881
His hands rest on her delicate hips, fitting perfectly over her curves. Using his thumbs to trace circles over her slighty potruded hip bones, he appreciates the view beneath him.

His dear Freyja, sensual and blushed, her eyes closed and her teeth biting softly on her bottom lip.

'Hot' he thinks when a soft gasps leaves Freyja.

"Why are you teasing me so much?" she inquires, "I thought I was clear with what I wanted?"

Small puffs of laughter escape Hayate's lips, "I know what you want, and I'll give it to you. But I'll give it to you nice and slow. There's no need to rush, we have all night."

Freyja seems to give in and he returns to work. His right hand begins to trail down her left leg. With careful ease, he slowly lifts it and brings his lips to place butterfly kisses in a trail that runs up her thighs.

"H-Hayate..."

He chooses not to answer her, instead focusing on the taste of her skin. A soft scent of vanilla reaches his nose and he takes a moment to appreciate it and revel in it before moving back up again.

This time he places his hands on her small waist. Oh how delicate and small it is. His hands begin to wander along the sides of her torso, up until they graze against the curves of her breasts. The slight touch elicits a gasp from her and he smiles because he knows she's enjoying it as much as he is.

He'll make it worth it. He'll make her come undone under his fingertips. She'll writhe and moan with the passion that his caresses ignite on her skin.
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>>145163871
Reina has the Bogue subplot. She'll be fine.
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>>145163871
The only two Walkure members that will not make it to the end is either Mikumo or Freyja.

Chaos members that will die are Chuck and Arad. For Windies, Cassim and Herman.

I honestly wish they would stop focusing on Hayate and Kieth and give us an epic match with the twins vs synchronized hayate and female pilot with burgundy color scheme
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>>145163903
I liked it.
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I think we are gonna get a Gurren Lagann ending. Freyja gets taken, Hayate and team fight big bad, mindfuckery ensues, Freyja is saved, Hayate and Freyja get married, Freyja dies after wedding ceremony, Hayate walks away and becomes a drifter again.
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>>145164418
>Freyja gets taken, Hayate and team fight big bad, mindfuckery ensues, Freyja is saved, Hayate and Freyja get married, Freyja dies after wedding ceremony, Hayate walks away and becomes a drifter again.
>>
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>Hayate and Freyja's resonance is thrown out of sync
>Arad suggests that their resonance is based on their bond therefore they should focus on that.
>Kaname says they should go out together on a fun outing. Maybe to the park or the beach. It'll help them spend time and work on their friendship.
>Hayate and Freyja agree. They'll go as FRIENDS.
>Hayate wants it to be a date but doesn't say anything.
>Freyja wants it to be a date but doesn't say anything either.
>It's actually a date.
>Everyone knows it's actually a date but Hayate and Freyja are too dumb and giddy to realize that.
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Anyone else starting to warm up to the second OP? I didn't like it at all when I first heard it, but it's growing on me.
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>>145165287
I actually really like it. It shows off the singing ability of all the girls, and I love the "ahhhh"
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>>145165287
It's a good song by itself but the visuals and the length allocated for the opening animation hurt it.
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>>145165287
I liked it from the start. It took a while until I liked the first one.
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>>145166355
Same. Whenever I listen to the first OP it just sounds like a voice battle between Mikumo vs Freyja (backed by the rest of walkure).
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A video of the extra content on the Delta Blu-ray. Mirage has the same question we have all been wondering, which is how the fuck does Mikumo write her signature?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29334864
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>>145164012
Don't you mean Chuck and the female pilot? Hayate is out their league.
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>>145164906
You're killing us man.
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>>145166807
Mirage confirmed audience insert
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>>145166807
>stamp over Reina's
Everytime
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Is this any good? Is it better then Frontier at least?
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>>145166411
>it just sounds like a voice battle between Mikumo vs Freyja (backed by the rest of walkure).
That's how I tend to see Walkure Attack myself, especially since the first time we hear it it's like Mikumo's attacking the Protoculture ruins with her voice
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>>145167090
>Is this any good? Is it better then Frontier at least?
>Similar posts

I feel that all these posts are made by the same anon
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>>145167213
It's me every time.
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>>145167090
The main girl is less shit, otherwise worse in every aspect.
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>>145167090
Yes. It's a lot more original than Frontier. Hayate is better MC than Alto, Freyja is just as, if not, more joyful to focus on than Sheryl, songs are at odds with Frontier's, and the new baddies are a lot more interesting than dumb bugs. Only problem is there isn't as much fighting as Frontier but the character moments make up for it. As you can see from the hoards of shippers here, HayaFrey is pretty damn good ship. Probably the best in the series. The love triangle itself however is horribly one sided and pointless.
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>>145166807
>Mikumo's "sign"
Fucking Mikumo, it reminds me of how she used to fuck with Freyja all the time back in the good old days
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>>145167400
But thanks to her awesome tough love Freyja radiates at her best
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On one hand they really need to start getting on with the plot like how the war with Windermere will go, and what kind of ancient conspiracy Mikumo was part of, on the other I really want to see another concert, due to just how fun the Cosmic Movement concert was
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>>145166807
Even Max is an idolfag
>>
Maybe after Delta ends that puts Windermere in a unique position to make his Girls Undz Valkyrie he was planning.

Each Macross fleet has an Aerial School
Windermere Knight Academy one of the competitors
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>>145167620
Not really. It is possible that she is referring to her paternal grandfather.
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>>145167719
Master Bogue!
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>>145167600
I want too see more dancing battroid.
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>>145149528
That or she's drugged him up on fold waves so hard he can't tell the difference between addiction and love.
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>>145167861
There really is nowhere near enough of it, fucking Kawamori hyped me up with breakdancing robots, and then never had it happen again after like the first episode
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>>145166836
Buffed Hayate maybe, but we haven't seen normal Hayate achieve anything special to be out of their league. I don't even think normal Hayate is better than Bogue
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Mirage in novel's role is better when compare to anime, not only the "spying" spoiler, also like in episode 2 she punching Hayate's sense changed to she just telling them "don't do this again ok?", and help them to Ranga.

Also her pilot skill is better in novel and feels more like a "nice senpai", though combine it with how she secret call them in novel it feels like that's her mask.
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>>145167558
Reina is cute!
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>>145167894
Love's a drug and addiction, so it's fine
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>>145168018
Oh that's cute.
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>>145167819
You and I know they aren't going to take such a boring route
>>
Using singers to screw up your opponents has always been a Robotech favorite tactic. The power of love, and the power of fold wave singers, and the mutual heartlighting, and First Ones portal-temples, and "misplaced where I am", and Love Overcharging- it's all one step after another. It's unlikely that the characters know what's going on, only that stuff's blowing up and people are drawing hearts all over their after-action reports. It's all crazy and I love it. And there's been so much singing that the soundtrack's getting as constant as Robotech Macross.
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>>145168018
Who is writing the novel?

It seems I might like novel-Mirage more than anime-Mirage.
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Sing with me!

Jikujiku na Jukujuku
Zowazowa Kanari
Gyowagyowa
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>>145168291
Still the author of Macross F novel.
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>>145168018
So the Solo-winged pixy that everyone was hoping for is now in the novels?
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>>145168386
Too bad it's not reality, so it's not like any of it matters.
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>>145168386
Use what Japanese said "that's the Mirage everyone(whether you like her or not) asking for".
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>>145168294
Chiri chiri to jiro jiro tto
Kocchi minaide~
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>>145168435
Welp, Delta is meant for frejya and Harare after all. No chance for Mirage.
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>>145168523
<<Buddy>>
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I have a feeling Mikumo truly will become the final boss. GG didn't do a 100% accurate job of the new ED lyrics.

shigunaru tsutaeteru hijoujitai
datenshi ni naru nante uso mitai dane

>The signals are telling me I'm in a state of emergency
>For me to become a fallen angel... it almost feels like a lie.
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>>145168550
Freyja will save her, senpai.
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>>145168487
Betobeto da shi Giragira
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>>145168550
So shinpi, sasuga mystery venus goddess.
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>>145168619
Either way one of them will die. The question is who?
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>>145168638
Iranai noyo hiyahiya.
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>>145168671
I'm betting Mikumo for the TV series, and Freyja for movie
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>>145168701
~Chikun, chikun, okashii na~
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>>145168788
That would actually be an interesting twist. I always thought Freyja would have died for the TV series and then the movie would be about Mikumo trying to get her back
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>>145168833
Haato no seigyo fukanou jitaiiiii
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>>145167719
The absolute madman
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>>145168976
b-bucha gorigori?
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>>145168976
Tokidoki dokidoki dokudoku tte
Konna watashi wa shiranai
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Aerial Knights are playable on the Vita game. Now you guys can aim after walkure using Bogue
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>>145169086
Wonder if they'll ever adopt gori gori

Nah, that's Hayate's role
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>>145168671
Mirage. Useless character who doesn't sell anything.
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>>145168671
>Either way one of them will die.
Why? Did any idol ever die in Macross. I don't think so. At most one of them will go on journey across the Galaxy like Sara or Alto. But no one will die.
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>>145169086
H-hoina
>>145169120
kokoro korokoro chikutaku furiko ga
TO-MA-RA-NA-I
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Gori Gori. Buy the game.
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>>145168671
Are you new in Macross? Mirage is more likely to die than Reina or Makina. Pilots drop like flies.
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>>145169208
You really think Sara is alive? That bitch is dead. Also the spin-off manga which Kawamori help to write confirms that Alto/Sheryl are also dead (or in the same location Minmay and Sara are). I have a feeling Basara is also their and Macross Delta will be the first series to connect the timeline through Mikumo, protoculture ruins, and the mysterious disappearance of the Vajra, along with Var suddenly appearing. And he planned kumo during DYRL, and conveniently made everything build up since then? Everything is just way too convenient.
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>>145169230
Aimai ~I~MY~ME & YOU
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>>145168018
Also i'm curious how will author change episode 8's first half, because in episode 3 when she report to Arad that Hayate refuse to training, she slapped to Arad's desk and the desk got a concave after that.
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>>145169337
>You really think Sara is alive?
Yes.

>Also the spin-off manga which Kawamori help to write confirms that Alto/Sheryl are also dead
The movie confirms they're both alive and Alto is coming back (look at the credits).
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>>145169205
>>145169334
The thing is nobody would really care though. Even dead, she would have the same presence as if she were alive.
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>>145169188
>caring about Bogue when we can chase after SHINIGAMI instead
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>>145169337
>Also the spin-off manga which Kawamori help to write confirms that Alto/Sheryl are also dead (or in the same location Minmay and Sara are).

What? No, they are alive, retard. Kawamori even speaks in the volume 4 of that manga about their future domestic and married life, and how they'll hold on for kids and marriage until Sheryl's 30. He confirms Ranka married someone else before them too.
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>>145169411
kore wa gatagata gosadou sou yo kaunto shinaide~
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>>145169526
she married Brera
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Is there a full version of Giraffe Blues yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=uUjiD9ovxYI
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>>145169687
Buy an album.
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>>145168550
Kumokumo will lose her mind and sing for the enemy but Walkure will save her through the power of love, friendship and gorigori.
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Will we ever see what ultimately happen to Megaroad-1?
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>>145169566
jirijiri jirijin
hirihiri hirihin
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>>145169803
shiteru dak
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>>145169826
Fuck I messed up.
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>>145169781
No
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>>145169188
>Heinz
YES
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>>145169897
Dake* It's fine. Thanks for singing along anon~
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>>145169674
Well I suppose if breeding with aliens is alright, marrying your robot brother is probably legal in some weird colony ship out there
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>>145170181
Heinz is the biggest slut of Delta.
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>>145169781
Only after Kawamori dies, and his will is revealed to the masses
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>>145170220
Anytime senpai.
>>145170249
>you will never song rape Heinz like Mikumo does
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>>145170247
He was adopted
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>>145169781
Possible. If Kawamori is planning to bring back the Megaroad 1 in the future timeline, it could be with some "black hole" time warp scientific theory beyond what the present Macross setting is dealing with.
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>>145168270
>Robotech
Get the fuck out of here
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>>145170249
>first gets thrown into the sky by Freyja, now gets undressed and thrown into the galaxy by Mikumo
Man this kid really likes playing M to older women who can sing
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>>145169418
There's less Mirage overall in volume 1.
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>>145170729
Less but with better role is always better than more but 95% of time are meaningless.
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Perhaps Mirage is a spy too in the anime we just don't know
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>>145170821
We only had like 8 episodes left, it's not easy to add this setting without feels sudden, unless her angry look in episode 17&18 is actually about that, that could make it feels less sudden.
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>>145170821
Yeah, there're different little detail in each version of Delta but this one is too big so maybe she will have this role in anime.
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Name is Mirage
Was a Spy for Lady M
Always MIA in the show

Sasuga KawaKawa
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>>145170810
>better role
I dunno about that. She definitely is being depicted as a side character here and this "spying" bit isn't spying because Aisha is a part of Xaos.
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>>145170952
What if she is Lady M after all.
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>>145170991
I'm not just saying "spying", her overall role is better in novel because she actual have something to do, and side or main character doesn't really matter anymore at this rate.
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>>145170992
If the novel is anything to go by, Mina Forte being lady M just shot up in likely hood several orders of magnitude. It's more than just being another person with M in her name
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>>145171187
>Mina Forte is Lady M
Not bad, Zuka-chan finally get a new role.
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>>145171037
I didn't get much of an impression of it being much of a better or actual role. I'll post bits later.
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>>145171275
Isn't it too early to tell? Where does the first volume even end off at?
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>>145171275
>簡単に言えば、みんなが求めていたミラージュが出てくる
That's what Miragefags said in 2ch Mirage's character thread, even they admit it's better, not to mention for Freyjafags and HayaFre shippers, the novel is even better than anime.

It's a win-win for them.
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>>145171318
Ends in episode 4.
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>>145171371
The same person who wrote frontier right? Because Frontier's novel is better too.
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>>145171423
Yeah same person.
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>>145171371
Yeah, I figured you were the guy that kept looking at 2ch for reference to see how people think.
I'd stop looking at it because a lot of that is either wishful thinking or being delusional. I'll post the details in about 5 to 6 hours from now.

>>145171318
Ends with Lloyd's declaration.
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>>145171637
>looking for how most people thinking after read the novel
>wishful thinking or being delusional

You're the one being delusional, no one is unhappy with the novel, how you think is doesn't matter, and Miragefags at this rate is not asking something big for her anymore, and novel simply fulfilled what they asking.
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Gramia authorized Roid to used Var and launch the attack in the cluster because he was informed the NUNS had plans to invade Windermere after they finished economically strangulating them with the embargo.
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>>145171371
What kind of shipping content it has?
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>>145171731
Look, there's one thing having an opinion of your own and there is another thing posting stuff from 2ch. I said I'll post the actual details of what's different in the novels with Mirage. After that, you should judge yourself.
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>>145171798
Look, there is already someone in here read the novel and posted details about it, what you thinking is doesn't really matter, also, we already knew Mirage's "spying" is not really spying from yesterday's spoiler, and yes Mirage feels like a side character in the novel(the novel even deleted her description about romance part, we knew that), but this "side" character status is still miles better than "main" character status in anime, that's everyone, including Miragefags agrees, and even general Macross Delta thread in 2ch agree.
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So if Keith was born first, and was gonna get the throne till he decided to give it up to Heinz, then why is he illegitimate?
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>>145171798
Sounds more like you want to post some fake details to destroy the little fun of Miragefags.
Not like it will end up showing in the anime anyway, not sure what's the point of doing that.
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Did Kaname actually like Messer or is she actually into Arad like all the fan wikis say?
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>>145172124
Did you watch epsiode 10? Makina and reina clearly say it: Messer liked Kaname but she always had her eyes on Arad.
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>>145172124
Not sure. She looking at Arad in episode16 and she mourning about Messer in episode18.
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>>145172124
She sure did has some kind of admiration toward Arad.
But after the Messer incident and lately Arad becoming more and more shady, who knows?
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>>145172102
I assume this anon actual read the novel, problem is, seems like he think he is the only one that read the novel in this world.

Meanwhile, enjoy some of pictures from the anthology.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51529502.html
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>>145172221
I guess I was paying attention to everything else that happened in episode 10.
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>>145172221
I don't remember this
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>>145172221
And they clearly said Hayate and Mirage were dating.
Kek.
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>>145172038
It was explained. Did you not read? He's the son of a mistress.
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>>145172439
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So apparently the novel has some nice HayaFre shipping tidbits?

Senpais please share.
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>>145172502
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>>145172439
That's a nice pair of hoinas I see there
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>>145172555
>Bara Earnest
HOLY SH
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>>145172625
Hope someone will scan it.
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Full OP

http://sp.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29227062
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>>145172625
>Freyja adopting mercat
cute
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>The VF-31 has forward swept wings to create a "W" as in "Walküre"
>Only other VFs so far with forward swept wings have a number ending with 9 (VF-9, YF/VF-19, YF-29) and are named after swords (Cutlass, Excalibur, Durandal)
>Walküre -> Var cure
>Raizou Nakajima and Makina Nakajima, both are mechanics
>Pilot has the hots for a green-haired Meltran(?)
Anything else you've noticed?
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About the novel, from last thread.

>>145129705
>I read halfway through the novel, and some details are different. When Hayate and Freyja first come to Xaos, and Freyja asks Mirage if there's any way she can take the audition, Mirage reports to Ouroborus research proffesor Blanchette that the requested samples α and β have arrived.

>1. Mirage made arrangements for Freyja to travel to Ragna for the audition.
>After Freyja arrives with Hayate and spots Mirage and asks her to do something about getting her through the preliminaries, Mirage contacts Aisha, who know works at Xaos as a researcher,about the test subjects arriving.
>2. Sometime during Freyja's party, Aisha talks to Hayate and tells him about the value of fold quartz and how people like him who have an affinity for Walkure music are important.
>3. Kaname and Arad are remarking how it's rare for Aisha to venture outside of her lab, but it seems like she's an acquaintance of the mysterious Lady M, but one of them brushes it off because Aisha is also saying nonsense like she knows Basara.
>4. Flashback of Keith resting after his fourth mission of fighting against NUNS drones. He is talking to Lord Aldria, who had participated in the battle over the Vajra homeplanet as a member of SMS and shot down two Lucifers.
>Then an alarm sounds about an unidentified craft, possibly equipped for a bombing run, approaching Carsile, which they then scramble to intercept.
>It's also noted that the first VF that Windermerian had indepedently procured for itself via Epsilon was the Sv-154 スヴァード and that Earth mainly wanted Windermeria's fold quartz supplies.
>5. There are some flashbacks of Hayate's father saying that he is leaving for a while again, and one flashback of him saying Hayate will one day find a reason to live.
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>>145172696
No. It's an editing version.
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>>145172923

>>145130437
>Back home and looked again.
>>Then an alarm sounds about an unidentified craft,
>There was unidentified aircraft with a possible bombing loadout and what the Windies believed to be reinforcements following it
>>find a reason to live.
>It's Hayate remembering what his dad told him about one day understanding the point of living when Freyja was asking him if he was enjoying life.
>Also the average lifespan of the Windies increased after contact with Earth, but Earth set up its own puppet government to make sure they had a monopoly on the fold quartz and other various metals.
>A member of a commission set up by the Earth government after the war made a statement that there had frankly been not one fair trade made by Earth. Three days after making that statement, his body turned up in a river after apparently falling into it while intoxicated. Needless to say, he never drank alcohol in his life.
>This would have made better material for episode 15.

So Freyjafags/Miragefags/Kanamefags/any shippers, how do you think of the novel?
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>>145172955
Oh shit, really? I listened all of it and thought it was legit. Thanks for telling me. Should be more careful with stuff like this in the future.
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>>145172292
Here you go.

>>145172301
Come on, you know it's the bridge bunnies fault for being delusional.
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>>145172903
>Raizou Nakajima and Makina Nakajima, both are mechanics
Who is this guy? Also, siblings or relatives?

>Pilot has the hots for a green-haired Meltran(?)
Reina?
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>>145172903
We know for a fact that Makina is Razou's descendant, and Walkure is the German word for Valkyrie.
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>>145172267
Anthology immediately gives rise to the characters doing anime tropes. I don't mind, but I'm happy that they're avoided in the show, so seeing them here is alright.
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>>145172923
>>145172959
Great detail, I like it.
>>145173054
Raizou is mechanic in Zero.
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>>145172959
>Corruption in the NUNG

Time for reformation
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>>145172414

>Bridge fujos shipping AraMesa
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>>145173154
Have they ever not been corrupt?
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>>145173154

>guy attempts coup
>attacks earth with hijacked battle class
>gets rekt by ravens
>UN is reformed into NUN
>20 years later same shit is happening
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>>145173054
Raizo Nakajima is the mechanic in Macross Zero, and he's Makina's grandfather
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>>145173185
I shipped them too.
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>>145172959
Kanamefag here, nothing really changes except Xaos company is getting shadier.
Arad is also getting shadier in the anime, which makes me worry if he is going to be part of the bad guys.
If that's the case, he better stay away from my precious Kaneme.
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>>145173351
Well i don't think we need novel to find out something is not right about Arad, i mean look at episode 18.
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>>145173204
>>145173219
There are always corrupt officials in such a big organization. What matters is how worst it could be. The NUNG branch involved in this Windies war of independence is indeed a grave one which the NUNG decides hide the incident and shove it under the rug. Things can be far far worst if every parts of the galaxy knows about it. Uprising such as the Anti-UN will definitely happen.
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>>145173225
Might be one or two greats before grandfather. Dude was already old, and a lot can happen in 60 years.
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>>145173492
Their actions led to the current shit in Delta.
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>>145173518
Yeah i'd be inclined to go with that. You don't normally have a 120 year old grandfather or similiar when you're not even 20 years yourself.
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>>145173351
Oh he's staying well away from her, it's her who's trying to go from him, though after finding out he has quite a few skeletons in his closet, I suppose she's starting to regret her decisions
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>>145173459
If he was just hiding some muh not so important millitary secret than I'm fine with it.
But combined with the novel setting, Xaos seems to be experimenting with Hayate and Freyja , Mikumo and even Messer and Arad KNOWS IT ALL ALONG.
You filthy jellyfish dude is experimenting everyone from the start?!
You are the killer of Messer!
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>>145173585
That is why i am expecting a reformation after this conflict ends
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>>145173492
Uprisings would be worse once everyone finds out that not only are they fucking over their colonies, but that they'd swept it under the rug, and blamed the Windies for NUNS bringing a nuke into the planet and using GHOSTs against them too
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>>145173686
Arad is one fishy character to be honest. Both him and Captain Ernest alike. I'm surprise that no one in the show actually ask who that damn lady M is and they just go on with it without questioning. Is lady M's information consider first class military secret?
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>>145173725
>Uprisings would be worse once everyone finds out that not only are they fucking over their colonies

Now in Delta we already have the threat from Windies and that ISIS guy who is pulling the strings behind everything. Uprising will eventually happen, its just a matter of when.
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>>145173686
Can't be bad if Aisha is into it. She's a Macross heroine after all.
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>>145172923

I'm curious how much Mirage knows about the experiments. Instead of jealousy her reactions these past few episodes could be to whatever they're plotting by making Freyja and Hayate resonate.
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>>145173849
ISIS Guy is from Epsilon who is from Anti NUNS. They are just taking advantage of NUNS beings fuck ups and corrupted.

Roid seems to refuse to play puppet to any of them. I hope he culls both groups before Keith takes him down. He was the hero he deserved but not the one we needed.
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>>145173932
What if longing secret episode would be about her admitting about the experiments?
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>>145173773
Why would the identity of Lady M be at all important to any of the characters? What possible reason would they have to corner them and ask them about it? You're projecting your own desire to know onto characters that don't really care because its not important.
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>>145173932
I doubt the anime will use the idea of Mirage as a spy. Seems a little too late for something like that
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>>145173987
She's not even a spy. She's just monitoring them for the sake of scientist woman within their very own faction. It's not so much Mirage being a spy as Hayate and Freyja being kept in the dark
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>>145173987
>implying she wasn't lady m all along.
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>>145173948
I feel the ending would be Xaos join arms with Aerial Knights due to muh understanding and go against Roid and Epsilon.
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>>145174040
Either way, I doubt they're gonna use that in the anime.
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>>145174040
Yeah that's why i mean, i guess anime writer wanna play it super safe so don't even want to use novel's Mirage setting.
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>>145172923
>3. Kaname and Arad are remarking how it's rare for Aisha to venture outside of her lab, but it seems like she's an acquaintance of the mysterious Lady M, but one of them brushes it off because Aisha is also saying nonsense like she knows Basara.

It's going to be Myung isn't it?
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>>145173905
This makes me feel a little bit better.
Betrayal is the last thing I wish to see, especially from Arad or whoever was supposed to be on the MC's side.
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>>145173981
We still don't exactly know how big is Xaos as a PMC organization and its Leader "Lady M" whereas for Frontier we know quite a lot about SMS. Besides, lady M's involvement in the novels make me wanna question her identity.
>>
My shining light.
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>>145174109
>Yeah that's why i mean, i guess anime writer wanna play it super safe so don't even want to use novel's Mirage setting.

Macross is suppose to be dark just like Plus and Frontier. It just so happens that Delta centers around a more lively theme with gung-ho casts. I believe that is the reason why Kawamori did not include the novel parts into the story.
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>>145174122
Aisha knows almost all of the potential M-named characters that fans have speculated could be Lady M.

She knows Mylene, she knows Milia, she knows Myung, she knows Mao Nome. Hell she fucking knows Misa and Minmay in the same manner she knows Basara.

Her knowing Lady M reveals nothing new on this front. She also Knows Mina Forte and May Leeron from macross 30, and unlike the other characters mentioned, these are characters who she would "still" know. My money is Mina Forte. And I think they found Mikumo, which would be interesting for Mina, because she's potentially in a very similiar position that she was.
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>>145174073
That doesn't solve anything because NUNS are the real problem.
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>>145174193
Xaos is not a PMC. They're a fast growing conglomerate of companies that started out in the fold information, correspondence and fold navigation business.

SMS is a pure dedicated PMC by contrast
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>>145174067
She's not. Lady M is likely Mina Forte.
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>>145174349
So reformation is the only solution.
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>>145174292
Doesn't make sense for Mina to be the head of a conglomerate. I can see Myung in this role better.
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>>145174351
They are specialized in fold quartz and Windermere has large quantities of it. Just saying. Xaos may be shadier than expected.
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>>145172959
>>press release
>I derped. This is at the party.
>In addition, Aisha says that the Kairos isn't equipped with fold quartz. I think that should be new information?
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>>145174420
Myung makes zero sense, she was a figure head producer for a virtual idol. There's no reason to think she'd be the head of Xaos.
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>>145153189
It is said with normal Fold it'll take 10 years from Earth to reach where Frontier is at the core region. The Brisingr globular cluster is located at the rim of the Sagittarius spiral arm. At the start of Frontier, Macross Frontier was at the Sagittarius arm but at the core region of the galaxy.
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>>145174420
>conglomerate.
>Myung in this role better

What makes you think that Myung is the best choice to be 'Lady M'?
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>>145174486
Source? How did that huge armada make it to the end fight in Sayonara no Tsubasa if this was actually the case?
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>>145174238
How are you typing with those tentacles, Messer?
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>>145159276
Not Zentradi, Marduk. They enslave Zentradi and Meltrandi with their songs and destroy any civilization they encounter as they believe they are the Chosen People.
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>>145174486
>>145174521
[citation needed]
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>>145148069
I feel sorry for Bogue. He's become smitten with a dyke.
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>>145174701
When is Macross Elysion going to shine?
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Holy fuck. Am marathoning this at the moment and this shit is pretty baller. Makes me want to rewatch the old Macross anime.

So basically he'a gonna have Rune children with Freya than, when she kicks the bucket at 30, he gets with Mirage, right?

The perfect resolution to any love triangle.
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Can i expect Mirage and Freyja will teaming up for a while and some talking between them.
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>>145174746
Why would Mirage even waiting 15 years at all?
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>>145174746
He doesn't register Mirage as a woman.

The lifespan issue has been addressed and is probably getting fixed, all the foreshadowing is there.
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>>145174746
Did you actually think you're the first one to post that callous and disrespectful idea?
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>>145162379
>>145162512
>All of this scene are not jealousy but she feel guilty for them.
Kawamori you fucking madman.
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>>145174746
This is Macross. The loser moves on:
- Minmay got over it in a second.
- Mao married someone else and eventually became Sheryl's grandmother.
- Guld died.
- Macross 7 triangle was a disaster.
- Ranka married someone before Alto's and Sheryl's wedding.
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>>145174830
Personally i hope Mirage marry a Windermere.
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>>145174780
>is probably getting fixed

Just like how humans live the same way as Zentradis and everyone else.
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>>145174521
Macross Chronicle. The combined SMS-NUNS fleet came from nearby fleets like Macross 17 and Macross 23. In the novelization Battle 7, Battle 11 and Macross 13 was present. Macross 13 being Earth's secret defense fleet.
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>>145174780
Even if it's not "fixed", Hayate has made up his mind that it doesn't matter how many years Freyja lives: They will do their best to enjoy every day. He even asked Cassim
>Who the hell are you to decide this for us?
When he told Freyja she should go back to Windermere and walking alongside a human won't be good for both of them.
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>>145174861
>yfw she marries Keith

>>145174919
It's not natural aging anymore, senpai. Watch last episode, it has to do with fold-overload.
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>>145172580
>left page
>"Hayate aaahn~"
>Reirei feeding Hayahaya raw jellyfishes
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED!
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>>145147882
Freyja and Reina are my most favorite girls.
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>>145174919
I want a source stating that Zentraedi live longer than humans. I see this meme perpetuated a lot. But never a good reliable source.

I've heard:
>All zentraedi live longer
>Commander type zentraedi live longer
>Only Bodolza live long (DYRL version) which is more do with him being super modified and plugged into his fortress like he was it's heart

I'm open to the idea that zentraedi do in fact live longer than humans. But don't bother giving your input this unless you have a trustworthy official source. Too much robotech misinformation being spread around as it is.
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So when will Mirage laugh like that, when she start killing Aerial Knights?
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>>145174930
Isn't macross chronicle discounted as being an official source?
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>>145175282
You have to watch SDF silly newfag.
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>>145175294
It's when she dives into the fireworks
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>macross frontier novels by the same author has both ranka and sheryl on the cover
>Macross Delta novel has only Freyja
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>>145175373
Are you conceding there is no such source when all you can do is reply with a meme?
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>>145175402
>macross frontier has the two main girls on the cover
>macross delta has the main girl on the cover
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>>145175458
I'm not spoonfeeding you newfag, go watch the show.
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>>145175481
I guess you are then.
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>>145175402
Can you post the novel cover?
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>>145175477
Anon is probably trying to get at "Mirage is listed as a Main Character but doesn't get treated like one"
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>>145175525
Don't be that lazy next time.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4063815498
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>>145175532
I think we already know that
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>>145175402
At least the author is honest.
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>>145175557
Thanks.
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>>145175532
At least she get honest treatment in the author, and she still end up better than anime version.
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>>145175604
*in the novel
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>>145175402
Freyja will win. I just know it.
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>>145175674
>Freyja will win.

Great meme
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>>145175759
Mirage doesn't even have a chance. Freyja is definitely going to win.
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>>145175759
No, you are the meme
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The next episode is critical in many ways
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>>145175759

Read the novel, boy meets girl romantic meeting is confirmed. Novelist never gives a fuck about spoilers and always portrayed Sheryl as the winner.
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>>145175674
She is so cute.
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>>145175846
But this is the only situation where the obvious lose does.

Just wait out less tham two decades. By that time, you can already get close enough to their kids that they'll feel comfortable about becoming their new mom.

Or better yet, do a Hikaru Genji plan with their son and raise him to be the perfect husbando.

There's no way either Freya or Hayate are gonna survive this to the end.
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>>145175282
The idea that all zentraedi live long comes from McKinney's robotech novels & the palladium RPG

The official sources are silent on the matter
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>>145176032
Their short life span is heavily implied not to be a natural phenomena anymore with the last episode. Will you rage about the poor writing when this turns out to be true, and it can actually be fixed not just for Freyja but all Windermereans?
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>>145176032
>There's no way either Freya or Hayate are gonna survive this to the end.
I thought like that too, but killing idol off is kinda weird.
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>>145176178
>>145176195
Stop replying to this shitposter, he is not even Miragefag you know.
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>>145174861
There's always second son-kun
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>>145176228
Oh shit, if the ending is Hayate x Freyja and Second-son x Mirage...
Sounds fun.
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>Finally, the loli will win in Macross
Based Kawamori breaking the mold and reshaping it.
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>>145176318
>Freyja
>Loli
wut
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>>145176318
>he thinks Kawamori breaks tradition
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>>145176345
>Implying he's wrong
Stay salty, LRD.
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>>145176370
It's not really breaking tradition. The package may be small, but she's the more mature of the two.
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>>145176345
First you think Freyja won't win and now you think she isn't a loli. How far will your shitpostings go?
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>>145176445
he's right tho
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>>145176445
She's not a loli.

Loli does not mean "not 18"

She will the fuck out of the triangle though.
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>still no hairdown Hayate
Oh what the hell, Kawamori, you don't give yor protagonist a hair accessory, and then keep it on them all the time
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>>145176391
>>145176445
Fucking hell. Salty for fucking what? I'm not him and I'm a Freyjafag. Also at this point the story is about HayaFre. I just said that Freyja's not loli, she's a mature young girl.
>>145176370
I don't understand this tradition meme. The winner always have a good reason to win the bowl. In Macross 7 trash comic young singer also BTFO military cake.
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>>145176480
Miragefag pls go.

>>145176491
Yeah, she is. Everyone knows loli is about appearance and Freyja has the body of a little girl. It's that simple. The fact she's Ranka's replacement makes the intention behind her creation and appeal all the more obvious.
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>>145175674
Well, it's either Freyja or Sky End at this point.

Unless they write an asspull and make Mirage win.
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>>145176512
There's a desperate lack of alternate hairstyles in Delta
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>>145176564
>Mirage win
>asspull
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>>145176580
>implying
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>>145176550
Freyja is rather overtly not Ranka

Kawamori was pretty hamfisted about this in episode 1.
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>>145176580
Can you prove it otherwise?
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>>145176318
Freyja will win. I always knew she would.
>loli
Japan agreed, don't bother them about it.
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I wish Freyja and Mirage have a friendship like Sheryl and Ranka
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>>145176550
Loli doesn't mean little girl either you retard. Lolis are girls that look pre- or early pubescent. Freiya looks like a normal 14 year old anime teenager.
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>>145176674
Reading comprehension, illiteratefag. She has a body of one. Lolis are generally 7-13 in body. In human age she is 14, but she looks young enough to be a loli. Her appearance and development is like Primula who is a loli beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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>>145176580
Yes, definitely ass pull. The only thing Mirage does is standing in the corner and GASP. She might have a chance after episode 16 if she does something after know about Hayate's dad and trying to comfort him or Freyja staying away from Hayate because his dad fucked her planet but Hayate overcome his father problem quickly and Freyja also make up with Hayate fast as fuck.
>>145176646
Okay, Freyja is loli then she look like a teenager for me.
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Holy fuck. Does LolisRDead ever sleep?
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>>145176813
I'm surprised that shitposter watches Macross Delta.
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>>145176797
>Reading comprehension, illiteratefag
Back to you. She looks like a young teenager, not a loli. It's not the same thing.
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>>145176812
>>145176606
>>145176625
Are you guys seriously try to convince him? he keep saying "Mirage will win" just because he want to shitpost, not because he think she will win.
Ignore it.
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