What genre should be deconstructed next? I say the pet monster/gotta

fuck derrida that guy was a hack

>>145065492
wasn't there a digimon show that was a catch 'em all deconstruction

I'd like to see a deconstructive take on the tropes of the "mecha" genre of anime.

>>145065492
narutaru remake when

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>>145065728
literally the banner for me right now

>>145065492
ya read the narutaru manga?

>>145065492
deconstruction of deconstruction

A deconstruction of the "bad anime" genre would be interesting. It would take all the annoying clichés and tropes everyone hates and not use them. Maybe it could even try to be a good show.

>>145065492
Still waiting on a good deconstruction of the horror genre

>>145065492
PETA already made a pokemon game

>>145065728
Mecha is probably the genre with the most "deconstructions"

>>145065933
some people thought this is what mayoiga was

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>>145065728
Alright i'll take the b8

>>145065492
why are deconstructions always so good?

Spec Ops:The Line, the first Drakengard and Chinatown are my favorite things right now...

>>145066088
>Spec Ops:The Line
was kinda cheap, it didn't use gameplay to express this at all and resorts to one choice and some cheap cutscene reveal near the end.
Take that out and it's a standard shooter

>>145065492
Either the shonen fighting shit or the long titled harem LNs (the latter had a oneshot with a gay mc but it needs to be serialized)

>>145065728
So Gundam?

>>145066793
that was a deconstruction of super robots, the in the future we got stuff like Eva,AC and others

>>145067156
"Super robot" is still mecha. I mean hell fucking Dai-Guard is a whole different take on super robots but I'm not even sure if that'd be a deconstruction. Early on it took a super literal look at the super robot genre, but later on it sort of rolls with it and just accepts it for what it is.
Also why would you bother to bring up Eva again, it's been brought up like three times in this thread, I was the first to bring up gundam.

>>145067828
It's just the first thing that usually comes to mind, I just wanted to differentiate because latter mecha series had two types to build from super and "real" robot series.
This lead to obvious differences in the type of show that would be produced

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>>145065492

>deconstruction
It takes far more skill to take the cliches and tropes of a genre and make it good than just do the opposite of what people expect.

REMEMBER GUYS: RE:ZERO IS NOT A DECONSTRUCTION

>>145067971
Think about it this way anon.
The world is hit with a calamity and a majority of the population dies. A boy is given a robot by his father, after his first few fights his mental state deteriorates to the point of PTSD, eventually he's coaxed back into the robot fearing for the safety of the people around him, as he fights one of his friends becomes a causality of war, this again pushes the young pilot away from piloting until the people around him convince him to get over himself and pilot again.

Am I describing Gundam or Eva? It's the same shit, the only difference is Eva ends with another end of the world scenario and delves deeper into the mental state. Amuro eventually gets over himself and steps up to be the man the people who believe in him need.

>>145065769
I haven't really watched anything new this season. Is it new?

>>145068411
(you)

>>145068411
see
>>145066045

>>145068372
well overall they look pretty similar and I'll admit it seems pointless when you see it that way,but I think when you properly handle the real robot genre in this aspect you can get a very different story.
For example,Eva only really focuses on the perspective of our cast, but we never know what the enemy is thinking.
In a real robot series you can have this perspective since most of the time the enemy is human.

Deconstruction is the buzzword of the decade, no one knows what the fuck it means.

>if my favorite genre has suffering, it's DECONSTRUCTION

>>145068033
Pretty much this, although there have been a few deconstructions that have been good on their own merits. More often than not though, writers get distracted by their own cleverness and muh realism.

A story should always be able to stand on its own legs.

>>145068698
are people calling ReZero that?
But anyway from what I understand a Deconstruction is when a story element or common cliche is applied in a realistic manner and/or the story is used to criticize it's genre or subject matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong though

>>145068952
Is Re:Zero not a deconstruction?

>>145065492
SoL moeshit.

>>145069002
What makes you think it is?
Being "dark" has nothing to do with deconstruction.

>>145068952
You're not completely wrong, but a deconstruction in itself is not meant to criticize anything, nor is it necessarily realistic.

>>145068033

Fuck you Ahiru. Stupid sexy duck.

>>145069265
>moeshit
I thought even /v/ermin had stopped using this term.
Guess not.

>>145069312

>Being "dark" has nothing to do with deconstruction.

Shhh. That's literally all Utena fans have. Don't ruin the show for them.

>>145065492
>go to this movie with my buddies in the theaters back in the day
>this shit happens
>break down like a little bitch
I never asked for those feels.

>>145067156
Gundam deconstructed real robots while simultaneously creating them at the same time.

>>145069312
I mean, It's deconstructing isekai shows where the MC is a otaku good for nothing that suddenly becomes a Gary stu hero in another world.

>But he's actually succeeding
Only because of the resurrection plot device.

>>145068411
This post should not have made me laugh in the slightest, yet it caught me off guard.

>>145065492
Shoujo?

>>145069400
In what way is it deconstructing isekai as a genre?
Can you elaborate?

>>145069463
Well, it's showing how many times the MC has (and will) failed already, how he's just a small fry, and unimportant on the grand scheme of things, as he would realistically be.

>But he is actually important
again, because of the resurrection plot device

>>145068952
Deconstruction is literally taking apart and analyzing some work, piece by piece. It's not clear if its even possible for anything that isn't a dry scholarly essay to be a deconstruction, let alone a Chinese cartoon. When someone says such and such show is a deconstruction, they're using slang to refer to one of several different phenomenon, but the most common usage is "it undermines my preconceived notions in some significant way".

Thanks for reading.

>>145065492
>The deconstruction meme
do any of you fucks even know what that word means? This thread is on par with Reddit

This entire thread is bait.

>>145069793
Nice to meet you "This entire thread" haha

>>145069400
I don't think it's actually doing that is it?
I mean he has these rants about himself and bouts of autism to explain his character but that's not really deconstruction to me.
All we get is "I'm so pathetic" from Subaru repeated over and over, but I don't see how that makes it any different when he goes about getting stuff done like in normal isekai anyways.
yeah his power sucks but it is still a special ability only he has that works to his advantage, no more different than Kirito being OP or .

I think a better situation would be like
>Have worthless neet transported to Isekai world
>Thinks he'll get to go on cool adventures
>just ends up being a fantasy neet with the same problems

however this example isn't some masterpiece either and is just something I pulled out of my ass to get a point across.

>>145069644
Isn't that more of an analysis then?

>>145065492
Slice of life but make it funny still.

>>145070136
Ironically, Konosuba is closer to a deconstruction than Re:Zero.

>>145070136
Yes, deconstruction is a form of analysis. It's slang usage isn't, but doesn't have a clear agreed upon definition either, which has started a lot of arguments and led to the term being a bit taboo.

>>145065492
Sports anime

>>145070753
>>145069644
I blame tvtropes.

>"it undermines my preconceived notions in some significant way".
This especially. It gives those people who haven't much anime excuse to think that they've seen some revolutionary concept and praise them to the heavens. They no longer say 'I like this show because of the concept which appeals to them'. No, it's 10/10 because deconstruction/subverts the genre etc.

'Deconstruction' should just be replaced with 'Subversion', that way everyone is on the same page
>>145070767
You mean a sports anime where everyone tries their hardest but loses in the first round?

sounds boring as shit 2bh

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>narutaru
>shit
Get out of here with your shit opinions.

>>145070983
>posts JoJo
good job showing off how shit your taste is

>>145068372
That's pretty stupid as fuck. Anything can be similar if you put it that simplistic way. A certain boy has a childhood friend but their lives are changed when a new girl arrives. How many anime did I just describe?

>>145069376
Same. Twice.

>>145065492
>Pet Monster.
The closest thing at what you want are the Shin Megami Tensei games (Except Persona and that abomination with Fire Emblem)
There are two animes (not counting Persona) but the Devil Kids is average and Devil Survirvor 2 is crap.

>>145065492
GUYS what if a show that deconstructs deconstructions?

>>145071756
That's what some people call a reconstruction, anon. Where a story decides to take a genre apart and then instead of leaving it apart it also puts it back together.

>>145071756
GaoGaiGar

>>145071756
Gundam build fighters unironically

>>145065492
idol anime. the producer is now a sleazy fuck who essentially pimps out the girls. the girls are forced to push their own moral standards further and further out the way in order to attain their ideal as idols, but they've sullied themselves already: that dream can't be salvaged. it ends with the former hopeful idols either committing suicide or accepting their fate. directed by anno of course

>>145071173
If Eva has nothing to do with gundam, which tropes did it "deconstruct" then anon?

>>145072389
I don't believe it deconstructs anything. But you'd have to be a retard to say that two shows are the same shit just by spouting some half-ass summary. Especially when the events that occurs are completely different. A guy travels around the world catching monsters. What am I describing? Pokemon or Mushishi? It's the same shit.

>>145069265
ai mai mi

>>145065492
Pokemon BW already did that.

>>145072034
Isn't that what Wake Up Girls did?

>>145072760
a little bit in the TV series, not anywhere near as cynical. I haven't seen the new movie

>>145065492
Deconstructions don't even have to be in the same genre to be a deconstruction anymore. People have called kill la kill a deconstruction of the magical girl genre when it has little to do with that.

>>145072686
>liking BW
You're such a kid.

>>145068698
>Deconstruction is the buzzword of the decade, I don't know what the fuck it means.

FTFY

>>145072847
I always found that a bit weird, especially since KLK is more akin to a show like Kamen rider or super sentai

>>145072034
idolm@s cg, he fugs all the girls confirmed especially the younger ones and records it and sells it

like when he fugs ranko its titled 'stud fugs big-boby chuuni slut that wont shut the fuck up'

idol performances are their safe spaces whats actually happening is recordings yeah you heard me right theyre done with an audience

and people buy it man, cant believe im the first one to figure this stuff out.

>>145070922
>I blame tvtropes.
Thank you.

>>145065492
If that's what you want, check out Cencoroll.

>>145065492
Did something get deconstructed lately or something?

>>145073085
Ur mum

>>145072996
Didn't mahou shoujo come out of those shows and shoujo? Stylistically they're similar enough.

So, since KlK is female-dominated, it isn't a stretch to say it is similar to mahou shoujo despite it being shounen instead of shoujo.

I'm just pulling this out of my ass and imagining mahou shoujo was just a commercialization of an already pre-existing concept to a female audience.

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>>145065492

>What genre should be deconstructed next? I say the pet monster/gotta catch 'em all genre has alot of potential

There is a movie called Jellyfish Eyes that does exactly that it's kinda bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMcPUgOhdKE

>>145065726
Digimon tamers, but that was just an Eva wannabe\it tried to be really dark, and it managed pretty well, but I don't think it's fair to call it a deconstruction of this specific genre.

>>145068698
There can be comedic deconstruction too, it works well.

>>145065492
>deconstructed

>>145070946
>'Deconstruction' should just be replaced with 'Subversion'

Thank God, someone else who says this.

>>145074454
That's not how language works.

If you'll want to get autistic over the term, you're a few years too late.

>it's an "/a/utists don't understand what deconstruct means and get angry about someone using a term they don't understand" episode

>>145074516
See here's the thing, if you call something a deconstruction and it's not an academic paper I have three choices.

1. Inquire further and make you use a different word to describe what you're talking about, wasting both our time.

2. Respond using my own slang definition of deconstruction, likely starting an argument over what is essentially semantics.

3. Call you a fag.

>>145068033
this is what otaku tell to themselves.

>>145074723
As expected of ESL-kun.

>>145074717
It's not like subversion is any better to address those three points anon.
You who are so constantly trying to avoid anything that MIGHT be ""pretentious"" are far more annoying than any pretentious poster.

>>145074799
He's not wrong though. Subversion better describes the way the typical anime fans talk about the shows.

>>145074870
How so?

>>145074799
When the heck did I say anything about pretension? I appreciate clear and effective communication.

>>145074870
subversion and deconstruction are completely different things though.

>>145069400
Grimgar is a deconstruction.

Subaru simply undergoes bouts of intense stupidity despite spawning in with ridiculously OP time travel and respawn abilities.

>>145066398
>game lets you destroy little white dots on a map COD AC130 style
>little white dots were civilians who you mercilessly tortured to death with phosphorous
>you just killed the white dots without thinking because you are used to the gameplay in other games
thats the perfect example of deconstructing using game play. Your executions also get more and more brutal towards the end of the game as your teammates verbally announce their concern for your mental health.

>>145075216
>Subaru simply undergoes bouts of intense stupidity
I guess that's true if you ignore the feelings he may get. Also how have his deaths been due to stupidity?

>>145074998
Why would a word more ambiguous than deconstruction be more effective?

Also you haven't even read Derrida, you just probably are skimming through the wikipedia article on him right now.

>>145075007
That's my point. When the typical anime fan likes to throw around the word, subversion actually fits their description more than deconstruction.

>>145075965
Slightly so, you're just being overtly anal about nothing and you haven't even read Derrida so you don't even know if you should be mad or why.

>>145076096
You're confusing me with another anon. All I said was that I agree with the other guy that IN THE CONTEXT OF ANIME AND ANIME FANS, their usage of subversion was more appropriate than deconstruction. I'm not the guy you were originally arguing with and it's not like I was agreeing with everything he said.

Calm down, and learn to be less emotional and more logical in making arguments. Otherwise, you can cite as many people as you like and it won't support your point.

>>145065492
schoolgirl anime. And school life anime in general.

>>145065933
Shiki is the closest we will ever have to a horror deconstruction

90% of people saying "deconstruction" never watched that fucking genre in the first place.

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>>145065492
I want to see a battle academy series with MLA tier full grimdark and retarded nationalism.

Kinda like Freezing but vaguely good.

>>145068033
>>145068803
This
>Take simple, light-hearted genres orientated towards a young demographic.
>Add edge and cynicism.
>10/10 Masterpiece so mature compared to shows that never even tried to be mature in the first place.

>it's a people have no clue what a deconstruction is episode

>>145065769
Holy shit me too.

>>145065492
>deconstructed

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>>145065492
>What genre should be deconstructed next? I say the pet monster/gotta catch 'em all genre has alot of potential
>Yes i'm aware of Narutaru, too bad it's shit

Look, if you are going to start this shit do it Right

A deconstruction of the comedy genre.

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>>145077269

make video game or fantasy characters get thrown into the real world and have to go on really mundane adventures or some shit
its probably already been done

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Deconstruction is overrated, reconstruction is where the shit at.

>>145069431
If you mean 'straight' shoujo that is effectively the female equivalent of a harem with a self insert MC who must choose between competing love interests, then absolutely.

>>145075320
But it was never a choice. One could say you could have put the controller down at that point, but, judging the game from start of game to that point, the experience is incomplete. I didn't hate it. I think every review of the game basically spoiled it, so that moment lost it's impact on me.