What's with anime in general and its lack of 'show

>>144960760
>otaku are too stupid to figure out and piece things together by themselves
That is always true, be it in Japan or the West or the rest of Asia.

This show does that a lot and is universally regarded as shit by everyone.

You're not actually asking a question, you just wanted to complain.

>>144960845
Evangelion, Fate, Bake, Madoka are shows that do it too and they're universally regarded as great by everyone.

So we don't have stupid people asking stupid questions like what you are doing right now

"Show, don't tell" is vastly overrated

Can we all agree that Phantom World was a mistake?

"B-but I'm smart. I can totally figure out the story" is what many foolish anons think, and then it turns out that they weren't really smart anyway, or didn't pay attention at all.

anime is made for high schoolers, manchildren and morons with double digit IQs.

>>144960850
This. Fuck off, OP.

>>144960760
Re:Zero shows

>>144960845

Phantom was clearly doing it ironically. Essentially pointing out the lack of subtlety in anime that OP is bitching about.

Truly ahead of its time.

>>144960886
>Fate
>great

b8 more

most simply can't pull it off
beisdes being subtle is an art few can master

>>144961055
Are you posting this 'ironically', or should I be worried?

>>144960760
>I hate talking
inb4 "it's a visual medium!"

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Japanese people are autistic, it's not just anime for filthy otaku scum, all their media is incredibly overacted and in your face, japan cannot into subtlety.

>>144961114

Worried about what? That someone actually appreciates anime meta humor?

>>144961138
there's nothing wrong with talking, but explaining something that has just happened 5 seconds before is annoying and is an insult to your intelligence.

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>>144961114
He's right, Phantom didn't really took itself seriously. They most likely did it ironically.

>>144961162
Isn't it funny?

Every time a shit anime is being criticized for one of its shit traits, an apologist quickly jumps to the rescue and explains that its intentionally bad.

Apparently every trope in every shit show is just a parody of that exact trope.
Pretty amazing if you ask me.

>>144961160
To be honest this is true for other industries as well, but anime does it more often.

>>144961160
>Kawabata can't into subtlety
Sure.

Blaming the audience for them not understanding something is what people do to defend shitty anime. If the anime wasn't so crap, it would be easier to pay attention to.

>>144961262
it's what a fanbase do

>>144961160
>watch Japanese news show
>constant facecam of random celebrities in the corner, who overreacts to everything to tell the audience how to feel

It's because they are kids show for most of them.

>>144960760
Because anime and manga are made with how often they're released in mind. They're meant to be the kind of thing someone could pop in on at any time while channel surfing and still keep up with what's going on. It's also a useful way to save on budget.

If they did that, how else would they be able to pad out the episodes to be twenty and a half minutes (excluding OP and ED)?

Also the Japs have never been terribly good at anything involving subtly and since anime is a medium for people who aspired and failed to become directors and writers and decided to work in a medium which has a severe lack of actual talent, this problem is magnified by many powers of 10.

>>144961364
>news
>subtle
>ever
Anon, please. Every major news station in the world is invested in telling its audience how to feel.

>>144960845
who gives a shit if the protagonist is a retard know-it-all i'm just watching for the qt gurls also, please, someone kill that fucking useless loli waste of time whore

>>144961476
Obviously, but Japan takes it to another level.

>>144960924
what the fuck are you talking about?? unless you're making a show for children

>>144961160
This

>>144961425
>>144961411
>>144960760
>>144961021
Oh, boy, another thread where people who hate anime post on the anime board.

>>144960886
>Evangelion, Fate, Bake, Madoka
Maybe for people with shit taste

>>144961538
unless you're making a show for children, that's the only way it should happen

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>>144961425
>people who aspired and failed to become directors and writers and decided to work in a medium which has a severe lack of actual talent

Need some citations on this. And also if by 'become directors and writers' you mean 'become directors and writers for the Hollywood industry', then there isn't that much of a difference. Box office monsters are void of any semblance of subtlety.

>>144960760
cause most of em are adapted from wordy light novels

>>144960886
Honest question. Can you a provide an example or two of where this happens in Evangelion?

>>144960760
You should try G-reco.

>>144961570
If you don't hate anime, you haven't watched enough anime.

>>144961586
This. You can't really "Show" in a fucking book.

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That's why "Ballad of Fallen Angels" is such a great episode; we learn so much about Spike's past with very little exposition

>>144961675
He should try Tenjou Tenge.

>>144961698
>>>/v/

>>144961706
Anon, "show don't tell" was literary a writing adage in the first place.

>>144961698
How many till I get there?

>>144961706
Since LNs are essentially picture books for teenagers and self-inserting salarymen, it's quite easy to show things.

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>>144961706
>You can't really "Show" in a fucking book.

>>144961706
Not really though. The writing equivalent could just be descriptors instead of exposition.

>>144961626
When Shinji jacks off to Asuka, that's a metaphor four our sexual needs, that we are too afraid to let out sexuality.
Stop being so dumb, senpai.

>>144961706
You are literally retarded.

>>144961364
>watch American news show
>no news, only talking heads telling me how to feel

>>144960760
It's because most anime are based on LN and manga. Since you can't show as much as easily, you tell.

>>144960886
>Fate, Bake, Madoka
>Great

Nice joke

>>144961698
If you hate anime then it was never for you in the first place.

>>144960886
It's been so long since I watched Madoka but I don't remember many inner monologues.

>>144961698
Incorrect.

>>144961826
That obviously happens in Japanese newscasts as well.

But as an added bonus, there's a shitty facecam attached to any raw footage shown, which either acts comically shocked or happy.

It's like adding sad music or a laugh track to a scene to manipulate the viewer into feeling a certain way.

>>144961807
You've only disproved his point, baka!

>>144961160
Nah, audiences in general are just dumb.

>hurr why did Batman stop fighting Superman in BvS even though there was an entire flashback explaining it

>>144961706
You're taking it too literally, the idea behind the saying is that showcasing a character's personality through action is more effective than straight up telling the reader about the character.

>>144961980
I didn't, senpai you're just too dumb and can't grasp how deep eva is.

I couldnt watch Jojo's Bizarre Adventure because the characters narrated their actions and motivations all the time. Why is that show so popular?

>>144961586
Not an excuse. Most of a LN is made up of the MC's insufferable inner monologues and exposition that can be adequately told through the visuals or creative directing. I feel Saekano managed to do this well enough and it's why it's more enjoyable to watch than other LN adaptations.

>>144962088
>>144961807
Is this a confused falseflagger or something?

>>144961966
I'm fully aware Japanese variety shows are terrible. The celebrity in a corner is because Japan's entertainment industry is in that stage where all the content is controlled by the people pushing the celebrities, so they cram whoever they want to make famous anywhere they can without shame or moderation.

>>144962101
>I can't watch wrestling because they narrate their actions and motivations all the time

>>144962088
woah sugoi desu ne

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>>144961706

Re:Zero does a lot of show don't tell, and most of /a/ completely misunderstands half the stuff that happens in the show, so that's probably why more anime doesn't do it.

>>144962101
>Why is that show so popular?
/v/ were never known for their high standards.

>>144962154
That's a poor example because wrestling is shit.

>>144960886

But they explain everything in Evangelion pretty directly.
You'd have to be a mega fucking moron not to understand the actual plot and story beats of Eva.

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>>144962115
>being this dumb

>>144962192
Maybe if they didn't stuff the show with irritating inner monologues and focused more on the show part people wouldn't complain.

>>144962192
They misunderstand it because the show is bad and it does a poor job of showing what it wants to, possibly because it's not actually sure what it's trying to show.

>>144962192
>if you don't like my favorite show, you just misunderstood it
Fuck off.

>>144962154
Literally only rednecks watch wrestling.

Everytime we get an anime that it doesn't show everything explicit, we get retards asking the same questions over and over again.

We get animes with too much monologue, and we get the same shit just at far lesser number.

>>144962192
Please be bait.

I'm curious as to what people think are series that actually do show don't tell well

>>144962192
>basically saying a LN adaption can actually have a good subtle story
top kek anon

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>>144962101
JJBA is good in the same way an 80's action film is good. Being overly blatant and campy is part of its appeal

>>144960760
Because anime fans will label any show that doesn't have over-exposition as "pretentious".

>>144962418
Evangelion is the only that does that right. No wonder it's a masterpiece.

>>144962418
Madoka, Evangelion, Fate, Bake, Re:Zero, and Phantom World.

>>144962493
this /b/ro

Watch Texhnolyze

>>144962493
This. Also pro wrestling.

>>144962418
Kuma Miko

The same reason they have some faggot explaining every joke
Anime fans are too dumb

>>144962587
b-but I'm a 30 yo otaku and I only watch mature anime.

>>144960760
To pad time for budget.

>>144960760
we should not forget that most of the animes who do this, are manga and LN adaptions.most of them are targeted at teens who prefer that someones explains it to them then,think for a bit to understand what is going on.

>>144962493
>Phantom World

>>144962782
>taking bait

>>144962798
>being dumb a nigger

>>144962833
Embarrassing.

>>144962833
Good job.

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>>144962833

>>144961626
>Honest question
Why do people feel the need to add this?

>>144961626
yeah i don't know why he said evangelion. the last 2 episodes spoonfeed you the entire message of the series.

>>144962935
To let everyone know they're being honest. lack of show don't tell even in 4chan posts.

>>144962989
What do you mean?

Anime doesn't need to do that because Nips would just buy their shit if it has waifus and fanservice. That's the kind of media anime is.

>>144960760
If the show doesn't tell me what's going on I consider it bad, also I always look for spoilers before starting a show.

>>144962493
Is this turning into copypasta?
Not that I disagree.

>>144963027
i figured it was pretty obvious.

>>144962935
Because modern English blows and everyone will assume it's a rhetorical question.

>>144963081
Read the thread.
A good writer can tell you what's going on without constant monologues and excessive exposition.

>>144962351
What's it like to still live in the 70s?

>>144960760
Japan.
No, seriously. It's in their culture to be blatantly obvious.

>>144963090
Sure.

Why don't you elaborate so your argument isn't an invincible blanket statement?

>Over-exposition, internal monologues up its ass, unnecessary explanations and flashbacks

Is this another Kizu is shit thread

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>>144963185
the last 2 episodes of evanagelion hammer the message over your head

i guess anime fans really are stupid enough to need everything explained to them with lengthy exposition if you can't understand this

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>>144960760
Have you ever been on /a/?
Any anime that doesn't do this gets absolutely FUCKED with retards asking simple questions that have been shown, not told.
Hell, even when things are explained in passing, most anons don't pay attention and rush to /a/ just to ask what has already been answered.
I wish I had some examples but I tend to auto-hide threads like that and erase it from my memory because I didn't want to believe people that retarded exist but man.
Anime NEEDS to go on long monologues that explain shit. There are too many stupid people in the world.

>>144963290
Too bad it is.

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>>144960760
I felt like this show had a lot of fun ideas. Maybe it could have been good if they didn't spend half the show on explaining everything.

>>144963305
>It happens to every anime that shows instead of telling
>I literally cannot name a single example, though
Convincing.

>>144963162
What's it like to live in Louisiana?

>>144963290
This might come as a shock, but people will usually expect you to explain your argument in detail.

>>144963475
there's no need to explain it in detail you dense retard

>>144963305
>I wish I had some examples
ReZero when Subaru jumped off the cliff
Kiznaiver second half

>>144963290
Doesn't Asuka literally tell Shinji the answer at the end and bug him for wasting two episodes in something so simple? I still don't understand the people that say Evangelion was complicated.

>>144963494
people were questioning what was going on in kiznaiver because it was terribly written garbage

>>144963166
>The language where "I'm leaving. Are you coming to eat with me?" can be shorted to "Go?" is all about everything being obvious all the time

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>>144963537
>being this much of a weeb

>>144963503
It's really only the broadest strokes of the characters and themes that are explained outright. There's plenty of subtlties that are never explicitly mentioned.

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>Different places have different storytelling styles and ideas on how to handle exposition

Shocking truth!

IIRC Tenchi Muyo has a pretty big expanded universe that is told through novels, dramas and doujins.

This is why the Third OVA was such a clusterfuck of explanations and "new" characters.

>>144963516
Not him, but there were those fags who couldn't figure out why red said "hold me" and then wasn't happy when he did. That was pretty fucking autistic.

>>144963731
i figured that might be what they were referring to as well. in that case, i'm going to guess that they're just memeing. because you have to be a literal aspie to not understand what's going on in that scene.

>>144963429
Yeah I'm totally going to memorize all the times people ask stupid questions. I'm not that petty.

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>>144963305
>I wish I had some examples
This whole show
It's amazing how so many people needed to be spoonfeeded every little thing

>>144961909
This. You have to be a mouthbreathing retard to be able to appreciate anime after your high school years.

>>144960760
Whenever they do show instead of telling we have dozens of threads made by retards completely misunderstanding or asking what happened
See: kiznaiver hug scene, rezero, oregairu

>>144963904
I think you misread that post.

Dialogue between characters isn't the only way to deliver exposition. Exposition can be delivered through things that deliver info IRL like news broadcasts, characters finding info they didn't already know through reading a book, etc. And even if dialogue is expository, that doesn't inherently make it bad. There are natural ways to write expository dialogue, like a conversation between someone who is established to be ignorant and someone far more knowledgable, or an elderly veteran of something rambling about that thing, etc.

Then there's the matter of the purpose of the work itself. The most common reason stated for why exposition is bad when used frequently is that it detracts from the story, action or characters. But that assumes that every work of fiction is story-driven, action-driven or character-driven. What if the purpose of the work is world-building? Some of the greatest works of fiction of all time (LotR, 10,000 Leagues, Dune, etc etc) contain massive chunks of exposition, because the main purpose of their narrative is to exposit the nature of the worlds in which they take place.

Another commonly mentioned thing is that exposition is bad because it "disrespects the audience's intelligence". In that case, then you've also got to consider the audience's "intelligence". The vast majority of anime have a target demographic of 10-14 year olds. I do not believe that many 12 year olds would appreciate a story which tells itself through subtle hints and interactions. I think they'd much rather have what they need to know explained to them at the start in the most functional way possible, so then the narrative can get into the action and fun scenarios as quickly as possible. And evidently, so do the writers who aim their work at 12 year olds.

If exposition feels consistently natural, doesn't detract from anything, suits the purpose of the narrative, and will serve to greater entertain the audience, then it isn't a bad thing to use it, or even use it in bulk.

>>144963925
>oregairu
>showing

>>144964030
Didn't read.

>>144960760
In my experience, anime has two extremes. You either have overly wordy or overly visually allegoric shows.

The wordy shows are usually chuuni shit, which go on and on elaborating fictional rules of the setting. The allegoric shows are usually some arty shit into which retards on the internet then interpret all kinds of things.

In general, I don't mind wordiness though. The film school mantra of show-don't-tell is good enough if you want to leave an 'impression' on your viewer, but if you actually want to transmit and discuss a message - and do so in a serious fashion where it's not going to be misunderstood - words are still your best tool to get things across. LOGH is such an example where words are used properly.

>>144960760
>they think otaku are too stupid

They KNOW consumers in general are too disconnected--not stupid--to pay enough attention to be shown something, so you have to tell them. An incredibly small minority of people, even among the obsessive groups, actually pay enough attention to their escapism for "show-not-tell" to work.

>>144964057
Thanks for volunteering as a sample

>>144964259
>last episode
>camera pans over the two heroines' faces while the MC inner monologues to tell you what to feel

Yeah, great showing there.

>>144963429
Not him but just look at the popular shows on /a/. Right off the top of my head:
Oregairu has people constantly miss the point because they can't into unreliable narrator.
Fucking AZ and Kabaneri has people confused over character motivations.
Fate has people saying that UBW needs to include more of the VN monologues.
Oh and >>144963782 where even with exposition, there are still people who are lost.
IBO has exposition all over the damn place and it still has people asking why X did Y.
And that's just /a/ alone. Once in a while, I'd check out other places like MAL and they're asking even more basic stuff.

>>144960760
>they think otaku are too stupid to figure out and piece things together by themselves
They're not wrong to think that, unless the average jap otaku are magically smarter than the typical western weeb.

>>144960886
>Bake
>show and don't tell
If anything Bake does the opposite intentionally to make past events sound more interesting than they actually were.

>>144964319
I like how the post directly below yours happen to have it saying
>Oregairu has people constantly miss the point because they can't into unreliable narrator.

>>144960760

Japanese people can't into art

>>144961160

This

>>144963607
>here's why you're wrong
>LOL THIS FAGGOT KNOWS WHY IM WRONG FUCKING TRYHARD

>>144960760
The average anime fan is fucking stupid and unable to pick up on anything unless it's explicitly stated. And even then it's not guaranteed.

See: 91 Days threads.

>>144962292
Subaru doesn't monologue much and when he does he's generally wrong or lying to himself.

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>>144960760
Because "smart" anime get shit ratings and are generally loathed by anime otaku. For example, pic related does everything right, but /a/ fucking hates it.

>>144964387
You'd have a point if the narration in that scene was supposed to be unreliable.

>>144964030
Woah too much exposition anon why don't you try showing instead of telling.

>>144964387
Loved how it was posted before I could even answer. That anon is probably one of those who memed muh genuine. I rest my case

>>144961807
is this like that thing where English teachers are talking about themes and motifs in a book, and they read into every detail, like, "the blue curtains represent the sad tone" or some bullshit and really the author is just trying to say that the curtains are blue? I mean, I'm pretty sure if you really worked at it you could bullshit metaphors like that about anything.

>>144963925
Oregairu is a rushed mess of an adaptation and I wouldn't fault anyone for not getting it without knowledge of the LNs or reading analysis on /a/.

People sure are having an unreasonably hard time with Subaru and Re:Zero though.

>>144964344
Unreliable narrator is still telling, not showing. It's just telling us how a certain character feels.

>>144964344
>Fate has people saying that UBW needs to include more of the VN monologues.

But this is absolutely true.

One reason is a lot of people just enjoy learning about all the convoluted bullshit an author can dream up. They relish reading endless wikis of powerlevels and world building and the measurements of the protagonist's left nut and how much energy it can expel into the nth dimension.

>>144964587
>who memed muh genuine
Thanks for proving my point. Since you're too thick to get it, my point about unreliable narrator was to mock those fans.

>>144964800
Not quite. It's telling the wrong thing and expecting you to pick up what it's actually showing.

>>144964030
Anime uses many kinds of exposition that Western media doesn't use, like constant internal dialogue of the main character, and flashbacks of antagonist characters to explain sudden changes of heart or development. However, exposition is still over-used in anime, in general, to the point of explaining too much.

>Some of the greatest works of fiction of all time (LotR, 10,000 Leagues, Dune, etc etc) contain massive chunks of exposition, because the main purpose of their narrative is to exposit the nature of the worlds in which they take place.
Funny thing about literature is that it doesn't have the benefit of having color moving pictures to accompany it, so there is no other way to show the world except through prose. Interestingly enough, you can watch the prologue to the LOTR movies completely on mute and you'll get 95% of the jist of it.

>Another commonly mentioned thing is that exposition is bad because it "disrespects the audience's intelligence".
That's a strawman argument. No one is saying that all exposition does that. The topic of the thread is exposition that is over-explanatory and the use of flashbacks from 5 minutes earlier in the episode. There's a big difference between that and all prose.

>>144964879
>Funny thing about literature is that it doesn't have the benefit of having color moving pictures to accompany it, so there is no other way to show the world except through prose
Not him, but you and the other guy who literally said you can't "show" in books both need to read more. You absolutely can, and stuff like LotR and Dune absolutely don't.

People use the unreliable narrator excuse to avoid critisism of the show to be honest. Yahari and Bakefags are specially guilty of this but that doesn't make those shows any less 'tell don't show'.

>>144964937
Stop strawmanning. I didn't say "you can't 'show' in books." I said there is an inherent difference in how much prose is required to illustrate something in the written medium vs. a visual medium.

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>>144960760
In Ancient Rome, wherever three or more roads met, they built a kind of bulletin board for the locals to use. In theory, this was supposed to be filled with knowledge about the local area. In practice, it was usually filled with insults, graffiti, and crude drawings of penises. So the Latin term of 'three roads' - 'tri via', became a byword for useless pseudo-knowledge masquerading as actual information.

You know, exactly like this story.

History/psychology are kind of bread and butter topics when a B-tier writer wants an 'intellectual' type character. Please don't do this in your own works.

>>144964971
>any less 'tell don't show'
Yes, but that's not the argument. The point was that people still misunderstand things anyway. I brought up the unreliable narrator bit NOT to defend the show. I'm using it to point out that even with all that, people still miss it.

>>144965031
>I didn't say "you can't 'show' in books."
I know you didn't. That's why I said "the other guy who" said that.

>>144964556
But there's regular threads on this still? People on the board generally like it, they just enjoy shitposting about it.

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>>144965066
Oh hey, i learned something today, sweet.

>>144965208
Some people - a small, but growing minority - like it. The majority either dismiss it as incomprehensible tripe, since they never took the time to actually pay attention to the storytelling, or else they actually hate it for making them feel stupid.

>>144965185
Then your post wasn't relevant.

>>144964879
>Funny thing about literature is that it doesn't have the benefit of having color moving pictures to accompany it, so there is no other way to show the world except through prose.
Yes, but prose can be used both to describe events from which information can be gleaned by the reader, or narrate information directly to the reader. The first is very similar to "show don't tell" (pretty much literature's equivalent of it), the second is exposition. LotR choses to narrate far more than it describes, because far more information can easily be delivered that way.
>Interestingly enough, you can watch the prologue to the LOTR movies completely on mute and you'll get 95% of the jist of it.
And yet those visual events only adapt about 1% of what is in the prolougue to the first novel itself. Have you ever read the prologue to first novel? It's 20 pages long, explains the "basics" of the world (including the entire history of the hobbits as a race), and is perfect for setting up the story you are about to read. It achieves this by being entirely comprised of expository narration. The parts of it you see through the events portrayed in the prologue to the first movie amount to 8 lines. Tolkien could have used his prose to describe the events of the prologue in a similar fashion to how the movie showed them, but he wisely chose not to because it was far faster to narrate them. He didn't use exposition because he was writing a work of literature, he used it because he can convey far more info that way.

>That's a strawman argument. No one is saying that all exposition does that.
Believe me, I have seen many people say that. It's pretty much the official justification for why "show don't tell" is better.
>The topic of the thread
My post wasn't soecifically referring to just this thread, but to misconceptions and discounted elements of exposition overall. That's why I didn't quote anyone specific. Sorry if that caused confusion.

>>144965297
Nigga, I see it semi-frequently in 3x3 threads. If it appears any more, it'll be appearing as much as stuff like Tatami Galaxy and Ghost In The Shell.

>>144964556
meme show

Most internal monologues can honestly be edited out and the basic idea can still be understood.

>>144964556
>pic related does everything right
That's one of the worst offenders of what OP is complaining about.

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>>144960760
The average anime viewer is an ADD retard that needs everything to be spelled out loud for him to understand. At least they don't need to be explained what tits are.

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>>144960760
>Something happens that was obviously related to something which happened earlier in the show
>Flashback to the thing that just happened

example

>Character sees cute girl getting led into a car by faceless bald men
>Later he sees news story saying she'd been found dead with evidence of prior sexual assault
>"WAIT... THAT GIRL FROM EARLIER!"
>Flashback to the scene of girl being led into car

Why does literally every fucking show do shit like this?

>>144969220
THey need to fill 21 minutes worth of show.

>>144960760
Japanese people have this thing where they think that you can literally not know how someone is feeling or what are they thinking unless they explicitily express it.

They also think it's rude to try to know what someone is thinking or how they are feeling, because that shit is private and you could put that person in a bad spot.

In anime, they solve this making the character just blurt out every-fucking-thing.

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>>144968996
>At least they don't need to be explained what tits are.

>>144960760
>Over-exposition, internal monologues up its ass, unnecessary explanations and flashbacks for things that happened not even 5 minutes ago are a staple in this industry

This screams IBO all over the place. And they're making MORE of it.

>>144969220
What 3d render is she researching there?

>>144969220
rong pic mofo

>>144960760
>Either they think otaku are too stupid to figure out
Not just otaku, just anyone watching. And they'd be right. Just look at the threads here. You'll definately see one where people ask why this happen or why that happen when it's very clearly shown. It just wasn't explained.

>>144969220
I want to marry Aoba.

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>>144960760
>Hurr durr I can figure things out myself, why do you unnecessarily explain things to me, you think I'm stupid?

I hope more creators would produce works full of exposition and infodumps just to annoy autists like you.

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Did I fix it? Needs some footsteps though.

Original up to minute 2:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSayF-dnflA

>>144971442
>Needs everything explained to him
>Calls anyone an autist.

>>144971469
>Did I fix it?
you made it worse in an effort to make yourself feel smarter for not needing exposition without realising visual and verbal exposition are necessary/

>>144971906
>without realising visual and verbal exposition are necessary
In that example, how so?

>>144960886
Hell no.

Concrete Revolutio, on the other hand...

>>144971958
You completely changed the first impression of the character from a thinker to an autist that loves glasses.

>>144961706
Very wrong, just read the The Stormlight Archive books from Brandon Sanderson.

>>144972038
I didn't? The monologue was just repeating what we were already watching.

>Guy sees girl 'about to commit suicide'
>Hesitates, but eventually decides to go and try to convince her not to

>from an autist that loves glasses
He is an autist that loves glasses though.

>>144972116
>I didn't? The monologue was just repeating what we were already watching.
He was already thinking about suicide before he spotted her and without the monologue it's not clear he was hesitating and why he was hesitating.

>He is an autist that loves glasses though.
Without the monologue your first impression of his character is that he's just a glasses loving autist, that's not his entire character.

>>144960760
Anime is not a high form of art despite how much you want it to be, in the end it's simply mindless entertainment. Stop trying to be an animu critic, and either enjoy it for what it's meant to be or get the fuck out. None of your complaints will ever reach anyone of any importance after all.

When a show doesn't spell stuff out like it's for toddlers then people always bitch and moan about how things make no sense.

>>144972236
This poster again.

>>144972208
>He was already thinking about suicide before he spotted her

He was literally talking to the audience about suicide because there was a girl about to jump. We first see her feets on the edge of the building before we hear the word 'suicide'.

Pic related is all we need to know to believe this girl is about to kill herself (we obviously aren't aware that she isn't at this point.).

>without the monologue it's not clear he was hesitating and why he was hesitating.
So the step backwards he takes and him just standing there for a few seconds aren't enough for you to tell you that the guy is hesitating?

>Without the monologue your first impression of his character is that he's just a glasses loving autist, that's not his entire character.
And you made the impression that this character was a thinker >>144972038 from the monologue, which he isn't if you watch the show.

Got any more?

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>>144972345
>pic related

>>144972345
>He was literally talking to the audience about suicide because there was a girl about to jump. We first see her feets on the edge of the building before we hear the word 'suicide'.
He's already talking about it before he spots her, as I said.


>So the step backwards he takes and him just standing there for a few seconds aren't enough for you to tell you that the guy is hesitating?
Is it him hesitating or is it him trying to figure out which way to go to get to her?

He clenches his fist, is that because he's angry she's about to commit suicide?


>And you made the impression that this character was a thinker from the monologue, which he isn't if you watch the show.

I didn't say he's a thinker, just that that's your first impression with the monologue, you just changed his character to "dude glasses lmao"

I have no idea why you'd even edit this anyway, this isn't bad at all, it's just his internal thoughts.

>>144972461
>He's already talking about it before he spots her, as I said.

The show is not told in first person, if it was we shouldn't even be able to see the girl before him, his monologues are directed to the audience.

>Is it him hesitating or is it him trying to figure out which way to go to get to her? He clenches his fist, is that because he's angry she's about to commit suicide?

Now you're reaching too far

>I didn't say he's a thinker

You did >>144972038
>You completely changed the first impression of the character from a thinker to an autist

>>144972620
>The show is not told in first person
This is literally the first scene in the show, how would the viewer know that?

>Now you're reaching too far
You're removing all the context to his hesitation, the viewer has no way to know why he's hesitating.

>You did

>reading comprehension

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>>144964459
>>144961544
>>144961160
How can people actually think like this? have you never watched japanese movies?

>>144972814
They are shitposting/baiting.

>>144972702
>This is literally the first scene in the show, how would the viewer know that?
Because we get to see and assume the girl will commit suicide first before him, even with the monologue included, he's monologuing about suicide before he realizes there's a girl up there. But let's not move the goalposts. The point was that the visuals were more than enough to get the point, don't you agree? Or maybe a girl on the edge of a building is too ambiguous for you?

>You're removing all the context to his hesitation
The context is all there. Maybe producers really do this for people like you who can't get basic concepts with just body language.


>You completely changed the first impression of the character from a thinker to an autist
Meaning that you thought he was a thinker from the extra monologue. Am I wrong? What where you trying to say then?

>>144960760
Anime viewers are dumb.

All shows that actually do "show, not tell" are underappreciated since ADHD fags cant spot the details and nuances. You HAVE to forcefully spoonfeed people plot, character and emotion.

> interesting premise
> great visuals
> it's lighthearted and "fun"
I hate this.

>>144972959
>Because we get to see and assume the girl will commit suicide first before him, even with the monologue included, he's monologuing about suicide before he realizes there's a girl up there
Stories from a first person perspective can still show stuff the protag can't see but whatever.

>The point was that the visuals were more than enough to get the point, don't you agree?
The visuals are enough for the basics but that's the point, you're removing a lot of info and muddling their intentions just to remove exposition.

>The context is all there. >Maybe producers really do this for people like you who can't get basic concepts with just body language.

It's not, it's up to interpretation.

>Is it him hesitating or is it him trying to figure out which way to go to get to her?

>He clenches his fist, is that because he's angry she's about to commit suicide?

>Meaning that you thought he was a thinker from the extra monologue. Am I wrong? What where you trying to say then?

Again, I didn't say he's a thinker, I just said that's the first impression you get.

People think Hyouka is plotless SOL.

After that you even have to ask?

>>144973184
"show dont tell" doesnt really work good in example of KnK since the scenes you discuss are completely misleading if you just stared watching in aime. They appear in completely different context if you watched OAV before, finished TV series and watched the movie.

>>144973337
I still remember when it aired the cryes on /a/ "OMG she stabbed him out of nowhere! what a shitty writing!"

>>144962418
flcl

>>144965066
>Look this up on Google.
>"trivia" derives from "trivium," a Latin word meaning "three roads" or, colloquially, "crossroads." The derivative "trivialis" carried the sense of "common, ordinary, of the crossroads," the sort of thing found anywhere, which influenced the modern meaning of "trivial" as "of no importance." But "trivium" played an important role in Medieval education that led more directly to our modern sense of "trivia." The "trivium" (the "three ways" or "three roads") was the first stage of a classical education at the university level, composed of rhetoric, grammar and logic. This was followed by the more advanced postgraduate "quadrivium" ("four ways") of arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy. Since the "trivium" was considered "the basics," the derivative "trivia" eventually came to mean "less important matters."

Why'd you lie to me, anon?

>>144973204
Chances are it would be more watchable if it was a plotless SOL.

>>144973184
>Is it him hesitating or is it him trying to figure out which way to go to get to her?
You're still using this argument? That's his school, don't you think he knows where the roof is?
>you're removing a lot of info and muddling their intentions
Am I?His monologue includes the definition of suicide, like we don't know what that is.He describes the ribbon in the girl and how it flutters in the wind, something we're actually seeing on screen anyway. And then explains the two paths available for him, either try to save her or remain a passive spectator.He comments on how he's usually the latter, but I think most people would get that by how he hesitates, not you of course
>Again, I didn't say he's a thinker, I just said that's the first impression you get
Either way, assuming he was a thinker is more wrong than assuming he was an autist. The guy really loves glasses to the point of being annoying, he isn't really intelligent, he's the typical dumb teenager with good intentions

>>144973366
FLCL is a mess - it neither shows, nor tells. To get to actual story you have to reconstruct it from pieces manually afterwards.

Kyousogiga would be so much better example, since it actually has story to show.

But actually people talking about "Show not tell" misunderstand whats it about - its not about showing plot hints and developments, not narratomg at all etc. - its about showing NUANCES: character emotions, reactions i.e. when you can see what character feels and why he acts specific way without needing to explain it - its obvious.

Since 99% of the shows that arent KyoAni effectively lack body language, the amount of "show not tell" shows reaches zero.

>>144964745
>People sure are having an unreasonably hard time with Subaru and Re:Zero though.
How?

>>144973426
>You're still using this argument? That's his school, don't you think he knows where the roof is?
Its not. He just was moved there forcefully for the siblings and Clan to observe him and see for a way to kill him. Its not his town, nor "his" school.

>suicide
he is thinking of suicide because he is immortal and looks for a way to die, since sick of suffering

>The guy really loves glasses to the point of being annoying, he isn't really intelligent, he's the typical dumb teenager with good intentions
So you didnt actually watch the show nor have idea about the plot.

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Post good exposition

>>144973529
Masterpiece of exposition by God Savior Yamakan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOfz2Xybpw

>>144962418
Serious answer.
Cross Ange. They talk about this in the interview.

>>144973426
>You're still using this argument? That's his school, don't you think he knows where the roof is?
>what is panic

>He describes the ribbon in the girl and how it flutters in the wind, something we're actually seeing on screen anyway.
I'm sure you also got that she was new by the visuals.

>And then explains the two paths available for him, either try to save her or remain a passive spectator.He comments on how he's usually the latter, but I think most people would get that by how he hesitates
I can't even tell if you're baiting at this point, how the fuck would you guess that was what he's thinking without him saying it? The two other explanations of him hesitating are two of many.

>Either way, assuming he was a thinker is more wrong than assuming he was an autist.
If that's wrong why is the director portraying him that way?

>>144960760
because most people are fucking stupid
and most anime is made for kids

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Why do so many people still remember KnK?

>>144961162
Do I have to post that video from the guy we don't like?

>>144960760
It's almost like a different culture has a different standard and style of cinematic presentation than the west.......

>>144973667
Because its masterpiece in hindsight as whole product and Ishidate is best KyoAni director (which is why he got VUG too)

>>144973510
>Its not. He just was moved there forcefully for the siblings and Clan to observe him and see for a way to kill him. Its not his town, nor "his" school.
He already goes to that school in that scene, and none of what you said is even touched upon in the first episode anyway. Moot argument.

>he is thinking of suicide because he is immortal and looks for a way to die, since sick of suffering
With or without monologue we don't know yet he is immortal. This argument is moot

>So you didn't actually watch the show nor have idea about the plot.
Would you really describe him as a thinker?

>>144960760
u can apply this 2 any medium m8

shaft tried really hard to do the shownottell thing in kizu and it foking sucked

>>144973722
>He already goes to that school in that scene, and none of what you said is even touched upon in the first episode anyway. Moot argument.
OAV aired before the TV show and included info about the MC and how he moved to this town, him being immortal etc.

>>144969220
Is that Chairman Mao

>>144973634
>I'm sure you also got that she was new by the visuals.
That's a bit of info that can't be just replaced by visuals, but it wasn't really necessary in that particular scene. The only relevant bit of info is that he doesn't know her, and I think it's made clear.

>I can't even tell if you're baiting at this point, how the fuck would you guess that was what he's thinking without him saying it? The two other explanations of him hesitating are two of many.
It's official, you don't know how body language works. Guess OP is right and producers need too keep explaining everything for people like you.

>If that's wrong why is the director portraying him that way?
He did a bad job?

>>144973769
The chibi OAV? I don't think it was. The prequel special was bundled with the last BD volume.

>>144973952
>It's official, you don't know how body language works. Guess OP is right and producers need too keep explaining everything for people like you.
No way you're not baiting at this point unless you're a dog or something and can tell what someone is thinking by their body language.

>He did a bad job?
Better job than your flanderization.

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Normies can't into that kind of thing

I have lots of examples, but more recently some of my normie friends who watch re:zero didn't know that the giant creature in episode 15 was puck until I told them, they could not use the visual cues to even figure something that simple out, they need shit explained to them

>>144973160
>muh deepshit
Go wank over EVA or something, you fake intellectual.

>>144974071
That one thing doesn't make rezero a show don't explain series. It's actually a very bad one with tons of exposition that make the characters like dolls reading textbooks.

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its not like the other extreme doesnt exist as well in japan.

Kekkai sensen was a show dont tell series, and look where that got it.

You'll get a show like Texhnolyze and no one will want to watch it.

>>144974164
No it wasn't.

>>144974063
Silent pauses and delayed response are literally the signs of hesitation. Obviously you can't tell what anyone might be thinking by just body language and gestures but you don't need to be a mind-reader to know how a hesitating person looks like.

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For this show, I am pretty certain that pretending to not understand what was going on was just a shitpost tactic.

>>144964556
Characters were shit

>>144974164
>a show dont tell series
You what mate? They explain pretty much every damn thing. There's even scenes of just that guy voiced by ishida Akira and the girl's brother doing monologues. If you count that as show don't tell, then you're just proving the point about the audience being too dumb.

>look where that got it
Last I checked it sold better than a lot of shows that season.

>>144960886
Fate is the opposite of "show don't tell"

>>144960924
No, it allows screen action to actually progress at a decent pace.
Show then tell is also good.
Tell then demonstrate is also good.
Tell then don't show is super shit.

Threads like this make me wonder if /a/ is turning into the /v/ of anime. Just like /v/ is full of people who don't like videogames saying why every game is shit, /a/ is full of people who don't like anime saying why every anime is shit

>SHOW DON'T TELL
>CHARACTUR DEVELOPMENT
>WORLD BUILDING
>IF IT LACKS OF OF THESE IT IS SHIT

People like OP is what I call tick box critic. If a show doesn't have something they bitch. These mother fuckers are just shitty writers wannabe, dreaming of writing something good but when they do it, it will be a massive pretentious train wreck that nobody likes.

>>144974373
>Fate is the opposite of "show don't tell"
I think that's what he meant. Read the reply chain.

>>144961706
Show don't expose is LITERALLY how Vikings liked their sagas.
And how most of history is often recorded.

>>144974386
You can say an anime is shit and still like it.

>>144960760
>What's with anime in general and its lack of 'show don't tell'?
Not true, many anime won't tell you shit and then you have ebin plot twist thread spam because people didn't notice a tree in a forest, some anime will spam you with useless trivia only to false flag the real plot but without someone to point it out, faggots like OP just don't see it.

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Show don't tell in literature looks like this. Funny thing is that in anime you actually get the protagonist to basically monologue these types of lines, sometimes they just read them straight from the novel like in Fate or Bake, while the visuals are practically showing the same. I have no idea why they do it, you can get most of the point even if you remove monologues. Flashbacks from scenes that happened in the same episode are the worst though. I really hate that.

>>144974432
Sure. If you're an ebin internet animu critic.
If you like it, it's because it did something good for you that surpassed it's flaws
There's no such thing as an absolutely objective way of judging an anime's quality
So why do so many people act like there is?

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>>144974313

>>144960760
That's one of the biggest reasons why I rarely watch anime.

>>144974272
They were pretty good.

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>>144974313
FINDS A WAY

>>144974653
>I rarely watch anime
What are you even doing here?
Fuck off

>>144961570
I just come here for the manga

>>144974539
Acknowledging something's flaws doesn't mean you dislike it completely.

>>144974842
Acknowledging the flaws=/=saying it's shit
You only say something is shit if you hate it
Unless you consider anything not perfect to be shit
Then, everything is shit because true perfection doesn't exist

>>144974915
Most of this board thinks like that. I love shows that are riddled with flaws and I surely know them better than the average shitposter, but I still like them. My top favorites are generally hated by this shithole.

>>144960760
Just because you learned some rules of the thumb of storytelling doesn't mean you ought to use it as a bludgeon to criticize anything that doesn't follow it completely all of the time. In addition to there being pragmatic reasons to "tell" rather than "show" that are very relevant to TV animation like time and cost restrictions, sometimes explaining something just works better, so criticizing anime in general for this rather than concrete examples is meaningless, because you can't take into consideration the context.

>>144975040
How can you literally defend flashbacks of things that happened just a couple of scenes ago?

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>>144961706
>americans

>>144975066
What are you talking about specifically?

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>>144960924

Congratulation you don't understand anything about movies or animations !

Kill yourself !

>>144975066
Because like he said, you can shit on certain concrete shows that do it, but not the entire medium. Because there's also lota of shows that don't do it

>>144975066
Depends on context and how it's done. What's more "show, don't tell", a character monologuing "Oh right, that lady I met earlier" or cutting away for a second, showing the moment when he met that lady?

>>144961706

what the fuck are you even talking about, mate? Fucking read anything at all ever that's even remotely good and there's plenty of that show, don't tell, shit inside of it.

>>144960998
This reminds me of the mother Phantom World episode, where Mai was becoming physically and mentally drained from taking care of shota Haru. But there were still people asking why she was getting headaches and fainted during combat.

>>144964869
>Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk
>I'm a woman's man: no time to talk

>>144961706
Look at this illiterate fuck.

>>144964623
Yep, that's exactly what it is. It's not even an example of what the person was asking for, either. It's a completely random bit of bullshit.

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>>144975252
That was kind of confusing though. The little effect they did made it seem like she was being possessed or something. And her expression didn't help, her face was more of in shock that actually tired. Not to mention there were already spoilers of how the final boss possessed people, at least I thought that was going on.

>>144975344
What if they actually did mean to represent the sad tone with the curtains though?

>>144975569

It's rare as fuck for an author to actually mean that and if they no joke did, they're a pretentious as fuck writer.

>>144960760
>Unnecessary explanations
Most of show tries to not rely so much in real life.
(It`s an clever move to avoid SJW.)
Most of our western works do not need to tell shit because our works is basicaly real life plus some little little shit.
But anime in general fucks up reality to the point it would not make sense if we try to apply our rules.
Shit needs to be explain.
Oh wait, even Marvel DC has to rely in tell in order to make the super powers having a sense.

>>144961160
Sorry, I got tired of Holywood productions and soup operas in my BRhue country.
MarvelDC is like copypasta of holywood/real life and also gone full sjw.
Anime still have something what I want to watch.

>>144961675
Maybe one of the example of what happens when it relies too much in show than tell.
The last time I saw that kind of nonsense was in The Wings of Rean.
This kind of show makes you need to see the spoilers first or dig up the wikipedia to make sense.

>>144975040
This

>>144977499
Holy shit ESL, stop crying about "SJWs", this is /a/, not /v/ or /pol/

>>144963290
wasn't it semi-satirical?

>>144960886
Bake literally explains every small detail about everything. Did you watch it with a blindfold?

>>144961909
I don't know, most hatred stems from experience.
I too hate anime. I want it to be better.

>>144979947
There's way more good anime than there are good TV shows, so treating the entire medium like that doesn't really make sense.

>>144960760
A lot of media in general is condescending to its audience, think of in /tv/ the 90's BTAS series and compare to some other stuff made for children.

Then there's the talent of the writer, they might just be inept as fuck and unable to write a situation that carries the ideas they want.

There's also the difficulty in visually depicting books that are written in the first person without excessive monologue.

>>144961928
There was direct exposition of Kyubey with his explaining to Madoka entropy.

>>144960760
>>144973109
This.

If anything, Re:Zero showed us this. People don't watch the show, just read the subtitles.

>>144979741
>>144974373
>>144971998
>>144964368
>>144962247

You all seem to have misunderstood my post, or maybe I misunderstood the post I replied to. Phantom World makes heavy use of telling, and like >>144960845 said (or I think he meant that), it is regarded as a bad show by most. I think Bake, Madoka, Eva, Fate, etc also have heavy exposition and monologuing but they're very popular regardless.

>>144962351
You never tried to DDT a sibling in the 90's?

>>144980316
I haven't been on /a/ to avoid spoilers. What exactly is there to be confused about in Re:Zero?

>>144980346
Why is Eva paired together with trash like Madoka, Bake and Fate since it's actually a good show.

Because most anime is adapted from either manga or light novels, which are text-heavy. Most manga themselves are only surviving through popularity polls, so their primary goal is to make people want to read the next upcoming chapter. That, plus the page limit for each chapter, makes telling more cost-efficient than showing.

>>144981013
The most recent thing I remember is that many didn't know who the giant creature was that froze Subaru's head off.

>>144981636
Do you mean not knowing right after episode 15 or even after the reveal in episode 17?
Because there isn't a lot to tell it's actually him in episode 15 considering he looks more like a gigantic rat.

>>144962935

Because they're trolling and they really don't want people to work it out so they add it in as a kind of implied "inb4"

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>>144960760
>'show don't tell'

Nips don't understand things like facial expressions and emotions.
That's why their TV shows have those random videos of people reacting in the corner. So viewers can look at that person and know what emotion they should be feeling.

>>144960760
Try watching an anime that doesn't do that. Then go gather the opinions on that show from the average anime viewer on MAL.

They're retards, impatient retards who will always cite that as a problem with the show. The entire pace of the show has to go to a screeching halt for characters to pretend to be retarded for their sake or the show is shit.

>>144982262
I don't think that's worse than fucking laugh tracks.

>>144982262
When I was a child I used to wonder if most of Japan's anime viewers were also autistic like myself and maybe resonated better with the colours and expressive faces.

>>144980346
Madoka(the series) isn't so bad.
EVA isn't so bad either. "Holy fucking shit a angel!" is often as far as it goes.
Fate goes very far. "Its X and Y, and history says so too"

>>144981731
Except maybe for the fact that he's already shown his ice magic, plus the fact that he's the only one who calls her "Daughter".

Also, the earring.

>>144962418
YuYuYu.

>>144980346
Phantom was "show and don't tell" show. But it's poorly directed, and is my least favorite from Ishihara's direction ignoring chuu2 s2.

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>>144961706
wat

>strawman strawman strawman
I guess we just learned this word and were eager to use it.

>>144979741
Did you read his post with a blindfold?

Also, what the fuck is up with your analogy? If you watched a show with a blindfold, you'd miss the "show" parts, not the "tell" parts.

>>144980346
You realize that while Phantom World did have "tell" it had a lot more "show", right?

>>144987283
You do realize that no?

>>144987283
You'll probably blow people's minds if you try to convince them that each episode taught the viewer something different about phantoms and powers that had almost nothing to do with what Haruhiko rambled on about in the beginning.

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>>144987283
Everyone missed this part:
We`ve been shown how Phantom World readjusts itself just like Matrix fixes black cat bugs. The world was readjusted after the fake family end to just another fake one - dropping the subject of her sister and parents and rewriting their characters immediately.

>>144987933
Wait what? I think I missed something huge here. Care to explain more? That sounds really interesting.

>>144987933
Really?

>>144987933
Everybody missed it because there's no reason to believe that.

>>144987933
Well that would explain why she just faded as a character after that

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>>144973667
I fucking love Mirai's glasses. The show was literally made for me.

>>144960760
Slow panning shots of people just standing there talking eats up less money.

Japanese are not allowed to believe in their own senses, intelligence or intuition. They must be explicitly told by society or an authority or some sort of sensei or sempai.

>>144987933
They mention that explicitly for the Schrodinger's cat episode. The Phantom World exists in people's minds so they can just make shit up as they go along.

>>144960760
Telling is cheaper.

>>144963491
If you want to do a victory lap after dropping a tautology it is.

And his argument would have been much better citing episode 14 (even though it was mostly a development stall tactic) rather than the last two as they were effectively retconned by EoE.

Evangelion as a whole does a fairly decent job of respecting the viewer and allowing them to work out each character's motivation as it feeds them more plot points. It's far from perfect and some characters are handled better than others but it does a fairly good job with it.

I felt Madoka was in a similar boat as well though the Kyubey character did lean a little to heavily on infodumping at times like with the entropy speech.

Fate is guilty as charged.

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>>144973667
Top tier character design

>>144972814
The only half decent Japanese movie I've seen that wasn't horror or comedy was All About Lily Chou-Chou.

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>>144961706

>>144997653
>All About Lily Chou-Chou
That movie had some of the most retarded forced drama I've ever seen, though. That scene where the guy knowingly directs the girl to the place where she'll get raped and shaved and then just stands there crying like a pussy instead of calling the cops was the epitome of beta.

>>144964030
>Some of the greatest works of fiction of all time
>LOTr
>Dune
>YA Fantasy trash
It ain't good to be proud of one's shit taste.

>>144960760
Because when G-Reco aired and showed the entire story without wasting time to reflect and make sure everyone understood, nobody understood what was going on. So
>they think otaku are too stupid to figure out and piece things together by themselves
ended up being entirely correct.

>>145000282
Tomino is shit because his boys are more fuckable than his girls.

>>144960760
Because that requires a writer they can't pay in canned dog food.

The one thing that I only see in anime that particularly bothers me every time I see it is the protagonist talking to themselves to show the viewer their thoughts. It's always incredibly unnatural and it often results in stupid scenes where they say something that is heard by another character and misinterpreted.

Why is this shit so common? Why not just have us hear the character's internal thoughts instead? That's far more natural and they wouldn't have to waste budget lip syncing it either.

>>145000012
Considering that Dune isn't fantasy, it's sci-fi, you painfully clearly do not know what you're talking about.

>>144961626
Shinji's inner monologues are really guilty of this. I get that you can strike it off as defining the atmosphere/the desperation of the series, but it could have been handled much better IMO.

No, we are not getting nearly enough internal monologue in the adaptations, thus making the MC even worse than in the originals.

KyoAni is garbage.

>>144962418
I thought that Ergo Proxy did it pretty well. Also, Berserk of course (talking about the manga here, didn't watch the shows). It's always clear how Guts feels, even though there's pretty much no inner monologue from him.

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That's how we got Greco.
Show don't tell and retards complain about how they can't tell what's going on.

>>145000910
I wish that were true.

>>145000635
>but it could have been handled much better IMO.
Isn't that exactly what EoE attempted to do?

>>145000940
>I thought that Ergo Proxy did it pretty well.
I agree. But it had issues in other areas.

>>145001182
Sure, I was only talking about the series here. I enjoyed EoE very much.

>>144962418
Tomino shows.

>>145001242
I'm not even finished with it because Re-I suddenly turning into a spoiled bitch is so out of character.

>>145000597
Still YA trash.

>>144961575
Does it matter if you think they have shit taste? Those series are still undeniably popular regardless.

>>145001126
I wouldn't say I hate it but G-Reco just wasn't a good show.