Is Re:Zero really the best the isekai genre has to offer? It's

No, Konosuba is.

>>144929883
Ahahahahaha that's your opinion

>>144930233
And it's the correct one

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>>144930233
>I'm a contrarian

>>144929715
Even thought it's the most popular one, I still have a special spot for Mushoku Tensei.

Isekai is already a very specific premise, and Nips are soulless drones when it comes to following industry trends, so the fact that Re:Zero already took the most intelligent twist you can take in exploring the genre (Deconstructing the idea that a NEET would act optimally in their new world, when they can't act optimally in the real world) means we've already seen the best Isekai will ever have to offer.

>>144929715
Nah. It's just a deconstruction but that's about it.

>>144930861
Sounds like pretentious trash tbqh

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>>144929715
Maybe one of the best, because almost all isekai series start with a MC that start in a favorable position, are to OP, perfect or start to abuse the knowledge of his former world making things like vehicles.
>>144930455
Vol12 in the last week of august that cover the labyrinth

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WAGA NA WA EMILIA

>>144931075
It's pretentiousness wrapped in a shroud of what would already be a top tier Isekai show. The deeper aspects of Re:Zero aren't immidiately obvious, so even if you want to turn your brain off and just be mindlessly entertained, it still fullfills that desire.

First watch-through, I did just that. It wasn't till I rewatched it a second time that I was able to realize there's a second story hidden under the surface.

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I liked this better. /a/ was also buttblasted about the guy not being a weak loser.

Of course not. That'd be Fushigi Yugi or Escaflowne.

>>144931701
>/a/ was also buttblasted about the guy not being a weak loser.
The fuck are you talking about? /a/ was praising Mondaiji exactly because the MC was not a weak loser and instead was a total alpha bro.

>>144931873
There was plenty of crying about him being a Gary Stu.

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>>144931873
>>144931950

>>144929715
I just hope this series doesn't spawn a wave of isekai trash like we've had with the battle academy LNs. We already have shit like Gate, NGNL and Outbreak Company, and the Familiar of Zero LNs are coming to a close, so all that new fucking garbage like MT and Shield Hero needs to stay the fuck out of anime. Except KonoSuba, that one can stay.

>>144932267
Where does Touma fall into?

>>144932267
Thanks reddit.

>>144932321
If you say that word one more time, I'm gonna beat you up!

>>144932267
Bit outdated as garbage and trash are /a/s new favourite words.

>>144932267
>these fucking terms
Only otaku pandering and moralfag are actually useful.

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>>144929715
>>144929883
OP btfo by the first reply, all's right with the world.

>>144929883
fpbp

>>144929883
>shit show just like any other lolsorandumbXD shit except its self aware!
fuck off

>>144932267
So say I decide to do like a Japanese middleschooler and enter a LN contest hoping to win a serialization. So naturally, being a Japanese middleschooler, I conclude that my best shot is writing another fucking Isekai story set in a fantasy world like the ones in the JRPGs I play. So that already covers shitty and generic, I make the MC a Japanese middle/highschool student who is an otaku who had social anxiety and was a wimp IRL to let my readers relate which covers self insert and otaku pandering. And I top it off by giving him some sort of unique magic or some other ability derived from the fact that he's from earth that lets him shit all over the saturday morning cartoon villains that incidentally remind him of the bullies from his school which I set up for him. That covers both the power fantasy of having magic powers as well as the wish fulfillment of revenge against the kind of people he doesn't like. At the same time if take things far enough with the power trip he becomes a gary stu or if i make him suffer to get to that point then it can also be a sob story.

The point is that this chart has a bunch of false dichotomies when in actuality a ton of these traits aren't even mutually exclusive. I get that it's supposed to be about how /a/ misuses terms but it'd be better as a list than trying to imply that the shitty writing found in MCs is contained to simply one or the other.

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>>144929715
Going by series that are strictly Isekai there have been a few manga adaptations I'm enjoying but to give an honest assessment, I think I'll only recommend ones that I have been following for over 25 chapters.

There's a bunch that only have 13-15 chapters out and quite a few turned to shit after the introduction. GATE and Mushoku Tensei have been consistent but Re:monster, Overlord, The New Gate, Shiro no Koukoku Monogatari, Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari, and World Customize Creator have basically had nothing happen for months. Just going through the motions. Then there's series where nothing happens period like VRMMO, Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku, Ore to Kawazu-san no Isekai Hourouki, Chihoukishi Hans no Junan, and a few others that focus on things like dandelion coffee, cooking; arts and crafts more so than adventuring in a fantasy setting.

My favorites so far are Kumo desu ga, nani ka? and Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken but everyone says the power creep in the former ends up being ridiculous which really ruined Re:monster. The fact that the protagonists lack a penis and a harem might help. Re:monster and Mushoku Tensei are so shameless about it, I feel embarrassed for the author. Since Kazuma is scum and everyone acknowledges it, his harem is tolerable on the other hand.

Actually I think I'm on to something. The series where the protagonist isn't a typical Japanese male seem to be the best unless it's lampshaded. The stunted sexuality, the commentary on the genre, the profound ignorance of feudal societies and aristocracy all get tiring very fast. Kazuma is at least aware of all these things and seems to break the mold on them. He's a genuine pervert. He quickly realizes how little romance their is in adventuring in the dark ages and without a hero's blessing he's basically a peasant.

My biggest gripe about Re:Zero is that Subaru isn't maturing. Most of the drama comes from his impulsiveness and inability to learn.

>tfw your genre is so shit that contests have to ban it from entries

>>144933716
Don't start, one anon wanted to murder me for agreeing with that.

>>144929715
More like one of the easier ones to adapt really and of course getting an actual adaption instead of butchered crap.

I'm still surprised Youjo Senki got an adaption if anything else. I can't really think how they'll make it work. But well as an LN commercial it'll be fine as usual.

MT will be very hard to adapt though. I'm guessing Arifureta, Shieldbro or maybe Kumo etc would be considered but who knows, probably nobody expected Kadokawa would push Re:Zero for example.
The English license for the LN even happened before the anime announcement if I remember that right.

Is The Devil Is a Part-Timer isekai?

>>144933716
It's not technically a genre, it's a plot device.

It just so happens that the Nips, or rather the body of LN writers that's comprised of literal middle/highschool students, has such a scarcity of imagination that the surrounding elements of tolkien fantasy setting and rpg mechanics have basically become the standard.

>>144933955
They made it into a genre.

>>144931811
>Fushigi Yugi
God fuck this show so much.

>>144929715

As far as serious, Re:Zero is up there. Konosuba is the best one in isekai comedy though, but that might be because there aren't exactly a lot of them.

>>144929715
As a deconstruction? Probably the best one but I don't think it's the best of the genre. I mean, nobody calls Madoka the best show the mahou shoujo genre has to offer or at least I hope nobody does. just because it's a deconstruction.

>>144933613
Would you count Log Horizon as isekai? It seems like it isn't given the initial episodes, but as you watch it it becomes more and more about people rediscovering how to build a community and make it thrive as they accept the new world as their reality.

>>144931811
>Fushigi Yuugi
Fujo pls go.

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>>144933613

Kumo desu ga was great until at some point the protagonist jumps from literally who into a literal god in a matter of chapters. I'd have preferred if she had to fight her other classmates that had been born with great abilities.

>>144931811

Only Escaflowne.

>>144933924
I guess so, it's the reverse of what we would normally think as isekai. As far as I could tell from the anime, it's mostly humor and slice of life with little bits of action.

The thing about isekai is that you aren't limited to a typical action hero scenario. It's just that the popular ones, or the ones people largely talk about are the ones where some random loser gets transported to a sword and magic medieval world in order to fight.

>>144931030
>>144934160

Is deconstruction actually a legitimate concept now? I remember back in the Madoka days that word was ridiculed for being a buzzword and if you looked it up, you got a totally different meaning that no one knew about.

>>144934500
No. I'm still using it incorrectly if we apply it to standard conventions everywhere else. The problem is that as per usual the language here has evolved to the point that the meaning of deconstruction has completely changed.

So fuck it. It's easier to use a term that some fag here in /a/ can understand in a glance.

>>144932293
The wave of isekaishit anime LNs is coming, so best prepare for it now.

If this doesn't open the floodgates, then the inevitable third season of Sword Art Online, which is practically an isekai world starring Kirito, will.

>>144929883
First post, best post

>ahahahahaha
(you)

Why is there such an influx of Rem hentai? Literally every 5th post is of her now pixiv, it's been like this for weeks now.

>>144933328
>saturday morning cartoon villains that incidentally remind him of the bullies from his school

For that extra bit of self-insertion, you should have the school bullies actually be summoned into the new world along with the MC and end up as the leaders or darlings of the enemy faction (El-Hazard, Aselia, Shining Wind, Arifureta).

>>144934743
>is coming
Whee the fuck have you been for the past several years?

>>144934967
Nips love their strong submissive waifus.

>>144934743
Haven't read it, but I heard that pretty much everyone else aside from Kirito becomes absolutely useless. Is this true?

>>144929715
+konosuba
And maybe Overlord, but it's full power fantasy mode with shitty MC now

>>144930455
This, I really can't hate Mushoku like some of /a/ even though I dislike the general reincarnation stuff like Re:Monster, Arifureta, Gate, and so on.

Contrary to most people I actually didn't like the first few volumes and only started to really get into it during Paul/Desert arc.

The ending was great too. I would've actually been pissed off if they didn't describeRudeuses death since it was his life story in the first place.
But the fight before that felt kinda rushed. Wish the author wasn't in such a hurry to end it.

I think the author of Outbreak Company wanted to get away from this shit as far as possible and that resulted in the weird shit that happens recently.

>>144935063
You know it. It wouldn't be SAO otherwise.

Look for that copypasta about Kirito fighting the CIA in the archives. It's a bit on the side of hyperbole, but otherwise true.

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>>144929883

>>144929715
RE:ZERO > Monogatari

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>>144929715
The best Isekai shows are Outbreak Company and Overlord.

>>144933955
Don't drag Tolkien's good name into this, anon.

>>144929715
There's this one Isekai where the guy has to fuck monsters in order to make them into normal humans again. That's a pretty ok one.

>>144929715
Is this slut serious?

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>>144929715
Konosuba aired right before Re:Zero, how did you miss it?

>>144929715
Nope, that's Konosuba and Overlord.

>>144931873
The show was dropped by most of /a/, is barely ever mentioned and was a complete flop. A small circlejerk "praising" the show is not representative.

>>144935300
>Outbreak Company
It's haremtrash

>>144935410
Your gipsy mother is trash.

>>144934090
"Botsuraku Youtei Nanode, Kajishokunin wo Mezasu," is also very funny, although the first ~fifteen chapters are just regular isekai setup.

>>144935356
>Overlord
UWAAA
MUH FRIEDS

>>144935410
Shit taste confirmed

>>144935434
Outbreak Company is average isekai haremtrash. If it's your first anime, I recommend you to watch Elfen Lied and Eangelion

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What would happen if you cycled these shows + re zero's main cast between each of their universes?

How badly will subaru ruin the other two, are the others powerful enough for the re zero world?

>>144935099
That spoiler.

Guess I'm going to pick this up after all after the LNs finish. I'm a sucker for protagonist's death.

>>144935434
Calm down Frenchie.

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>>144935457
Hey man, losing friends because a game is dying can be pretty harsh. I learned this the hard way.

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>>144935410
>>144935553
Outbreak Company treated the whole "invading a fantasy world" a lot more interestingly since it took a look at the social implications of it. Also, it treated the hikki/NEET issue much more maturely by not glorifying it but having a surprisingly un-romantic stance on the issue (opposed to: I'm NEET so I have a lot of time to work out). Lastly, it brought us one of the greatest scenes in the history of anime.

Clearly, people who can't appreciate it are plebs of the highest order and should go back to /ANN/, /reddit/ or whatever shithole they crawled from.

>>144929715
Is isekai specifically for settings that have RPG mechanics, or just any "highschooler thrown into fantasy world" series?

If it's the later the answer is clearly esca-fucking-flowne. You'd have to be a real dumb asshole to say otherwise.

I have a bit of a soft spot for the original el hazard ovas but they're objectively really trashy.

Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari

>>144929715
Mushoku Tensei is one of the few series that deserves its popularity. It's a shame that it's so unsuited to anime (to do it justice, you would easily need 100+ episodes).

>>144934994
>actually mentioning Arifureta
Jesus fuck, this piece of trash is the culmination of everything I hate about middle school fantasy isekai.

>>144935710
MT is still the most popular web novel in Japan as far as I am aware. If the LNs are selling well I'm sure someone will try an anime eventually.

>>144935624
He killed and tortured thousand of people and still bitching about his friends for epic drama. You can't justify it using "b-but he's undead". He bitching about friends and kills people. Double standarts. Salaryman =/= heartless killers with 14 years old mind. His character is completly unrealistic. Overlord will be good without "muh friends" bullshit.

>>144929715
Fucking Rayearth is better than ReShit

Is /a/ finnaly turning against Re:Zero now?
Its a shitty anime of the season show like SAO, SnK or OPM.
It's not deep, It doesn't delve into the psyche of someone trapped in another world forced to watch his loved ones die again and again, its not eve fucking good holy shit.

>>144935943
No you're just hopeful.

>>144935943
The first episodes weren't bad, but it turned to shit soon. Especially due to the annoying protagonist who's only getting worse.

>>144935943
nice meme posting

>>144935692
This so much. It blows GATE right out of the water by actually viewing it realistically (as realistically as anime can get, anyway). Where GATE is just a fucking power wank whose MC has no real reason to be an otaku, Outbreak Company uses the fact that MC is an otaku as the entire basis of the relationship between Earth and the other world which is ultimately being used by the government so that the government would do something any real government would do in a fucking heartbeat: hoard all the fucking resources. None of this honest pacifist bullshit.

>>144935943
The last three episodes have been terrible.

>>144935943
Stay mad fucktard. Thanks to this show Re:Zero threads will be on this board for a long time just like every other show you posted.

>>144935943
>>144935989
The hell if death cause mental trauma. The only trauma being done to Subaru is to his self-worth.

>>144935582
Well it's not exactly tragic if you're expecting that.
But I won't spoil the final meeting and the circumstanses as you probably haven't reached vol 15 yet.

Btw the translations for WN vol 19-20 was fucking awfull when I first skimmed the english version(No idea about now) maybe its better that you're waiting for the LN version.

>>144936029
>Episode 15
>Terrible

Literally the best Episode of any show this year. Not that it's hard considering there is like one other good show airing at the moment.

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>>144935692
I recommend you to watch picrelated.

>>144936060
>>144936013
>>144935985
I'm guessing you've been here maybe 4 months or so?

>>144935571
I haven't seen most isekais, but Lugunica is one dangerous place; even the strong characters are at risk of being overwhelmed. Like, the Zero no Tsukaima cast would just be fucked over incredibly hard.
Subaru himself just wants a purpose in life he can dedicate himself to, albeit in his retarded way.

>>144936095
Not tragic? How about bittersweet?

>>144936172
Don't be upset. Check some
(You)

>>144936172
>people who don't agree with me must be new

>>144936060
Everyone will forget about it about a week after it's finished.

>>144936029
>>144936132
> Episode 15
Stop calling it a masterpiece, it became a fucking controversial episode of everything going on calling it all edgy or some crap which makes no sense. Also, the last three episodes have been great. It gave far more depth to the flaws of Subaru:
> Wanting attention
> Blinded by pride
> Blinded by emotion
> Blinded by greed
> Being worthless
> Directing those words he said to Emilia to himself.

>>144936267
Try
>People who don't know SnK, OPM or SAO got hated on /a/ the moment they became well known must be new.

kys

>>144936132
You're right, I should have said the last two episodes. I forgot that 15 was only three episodes ago because it has been so bad since then.

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>>144936314
Episode 15 is official masterpiece.

>>144935571
Subaru would completely ruin Konosuba, and he'd be dead in Gate.

Itami would find a way to get all the powerful girls to fight for him in spite of their history, and Kazuma would just fuck off and find some minimum wage job.

>>144936094
>The hell if death cause mental trauma. The only trauma being done to Subaru is to his self-worth.
Yes it will, the more instinctual parts of your brain are not complex enough to understand the situation. The one where he died in his sleep would be ok, but not when he fights someone to death.

Same thing when it comes to friends being killed.

>>144936337
The hell? Look here >>144936314.

>>144936456
I'm talking about Subaru himself. He pulled through most of the time due to his own pride. Now he's losing it these past few episodes. Which you haven't noticed because it was too subtle for you to understand.

>>144935826
MT has Berserk's problem where adapting it can only weaken the material. MT isn't really an action series. The best parts of the series is in its SoL, which will most likely be rushed through to get to stuff like Atofe or Pax. I doubt any studio would have the balls to do Eris, Claire or Aisha justice.

>>144929715
People will forget about this show after a few weeks you know.

It's just another flavor of the season it's nothing special.

>>144934188
Kind of sort of, since Elder Tale is almost essentially its own world with its own logic outside of MMO mechanics.

>>144936209
Yep bittersweet for me. Happy for the man himself anddisappointing for a certain absolutely BTFO'd, owned individual

>>144936464
No. That could have been done in one episode, hell maybe even half an episode. Lingering on it for most of three episodes is just as awful as one would expect. 17 in general feels like a total waste aside from the introduction of the whale and Emilia getting killed by Satella.

I was kind of annoyed by how long it took for Subaru to try to talk to others about his return by death power. Not talking about it made sense early on because nobody would believe him. But after a few resets, Subaru's actions become more and more guided by foresight and some characters start going "How the hell did you know that?" This would have been the ideal time to broach the subject, but nope, let's wait a few more episodes to introduce what is arguably the most important source of conflict in this fucking series: Subaru's forced inability to truly connect with anyone.

Not a series ruining problem, just obnoxious.

>>144936621
It's closer to say that his pride is being butchered rather than him simply losing it.

>>144936680
> Flavor of the season.
This has been going on for two fucking seasons for pete sake. Dammit. Each thread from the anime afterwards will be about the manga, arc 4 manga, arc 4 events, and the web novel updates.

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>>144936668
Yeah, I am sure it would be awful, but that won't stop corporate executives from trying to make money off of it. I can't wait for a thirteen episode series that rushes through everything to get to Orsted and Nanahoshi.

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>>144936743
> One episode
> Half-episode
Those episodes that lingered on it really haven't gone though your THICK skull if you're that impatient to understand the value of that. You're being slothful.

>>144929715
Tell me what's so special about this show other than the Mc has high autism.

>>144931527

What is the story though

>>144929715
God no. The best ones are the series that fully embrace the silliness and inherent wish-fulfillment characteristics of isekaishit.

>>144937017
Catboi.

>>144936943
Fifteen is fine since it isn't all about Subaru being a huge fuck up. He is always there vegging out, but that's fine because it gives time for other characters to develop without him being a shithead at every possible moment. Sixteen is the same thing three times in a row in some kind of fucked up Endless Eight parody. There was no need to take an entire episode showing Subaru getting shit on by the other candidates minus Felt if they're all going to do the same thing.

>>144937074
Except Re:Zero explores how useless and retarded the average isekaishit protag is, just in a serious way instead of funny.

>>144937414
Exactly my point.

>>144936891
God, I can't unsee the shit now.

>Eris and Ruijerd are best buddies in one episode
>Rudy starts chanting for the cool factor
>they retcon Nanahoshi to play up the harem antics.

>>144937414
>explores
It's not something that needs to be 'explored'. Everyone is aware they're lame.

>>144937472
>serious=bad
I bet you didn't like Escaflowne either

>>144937414
Saying Subaru well represents an average person is about the most cynical thing I can think of

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>>144937083
As if you need any more reasons

Hell I watched that machigatteiru garbage because of Saika

>>144937659
But Escaflowne is the best isekai though.

>>144937670
What? Subaru is an average isekai main character, not an average person. With no friends, family, connections, money or even literacy, a regular person would be completely in over their head in another world.

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>>144937414
But when will get a series that explores your average psychopath isekai MCs?

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>people actually were moved by episode 15
>when they had 14 episodes of proof that literally nobody in this series permanently dies
>they fell for the 2deep4u end

>>144937605
That's like saying Madoka shouldn't exist just because we all already know how inherently silly mahou shoujo tropes are. The potential for a good story is there.

And given how popular the isekai genre has become lately (despite all the grumbling on both sides of the ocean), I think a lot of people do in fact need a series like this to spell it out for them.

>>144937912
Shock value is pretty big just look at Hollywood.

>>144938122
>That's like saying Madoka shouldn't exist
No, it doesn't NEED to exist. No one needs anything spelled out; this shit isn't real.

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no guise

this is best one

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>>144937228
The episodes were good because they showed more depth to the flaws of Subaru's pride. Which is too subtle for people to understand. It also gave a unique way of looking at the candidates that was a whole lot better than what was shown in episode 13. That was a fucking mess, speeches were fucking cut making it look more ridiculous to watch. Let's just say they looked far more appealing to choose whoever the candidates were in the novel. He's a pathetic, worthless piece of shit. Something that can't go through all of your skulls because you are too dense to realize what was shown. If you decide to complain further, then it is not only undermining the value of Subaru's character of pride that was always there, but also removing all sense of depth to Subaru's character. You are being impatient. That is being slothful.
>>144937912
I saw how far people are willing to go until death and the modus operandi of the cult. They died, and they didn't die.

>>144931811
You mean The Twelve Kingdoms.

Re:Zero is absolute trash compared to Isekai of the past.

>>144938463
>They died, and they didn't die.
To be honest, this sums it all up and makes watching the series obsolete.

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>>144938309
You and your post don't need to exist either but that didn't stop you

>>144938276
If you think this series is all about shock value, then I'm not jumping from my chair for that. It is only bad if there is no meaning behind it. Something of which you don't understand. Deaths lead up to something in this series. One way or the other.

>>144938587
>Shinji was a pussy, and still is a pussy
To be honest, this sums it all up and makes watching the series obsolete.

>>144938706
Not him, but is this another case of those "this series is deep, really! You just haven't noticed it!" arguments?

>>144938639
Damn straight, I'm the rebel from the underground. Givin' it to ya straight from my basement.

>>144938754
Now you're getting it.

>>144938781
Yep, only good shit from the 90s is good, right? Because obviously Eva or FLCL or Madoka wasn't Shock value, nope, not at all.

>>144938781
Yes, if you haven't noticed all the Eva and Madoka comparisons. It attracts a lot of tvtropefags and redditors with something to prove.

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>>144930233

>>144935624
>having friends
Hah, get a load of this normie.

>>144938781
>>144938587

If you hadn't noticed that deaths in one way is used to undermine the self-worth of the protagonist. He is slowly realizing how worthless of a person he is because alot of things are due to his failures in handling things. The power of return by death does not determine the future but people's lives in how they decide to handle them.

>>144938781
No, if you read the post you would know that time travel doesn't magically solve all the conflicts.

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>>144938587
By this logic Groundhog Day is bad, and if you think Groundhog Day is bad then you can suck my cock.

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>>144939100

>>144929715
Twelve Kingdoms did it a decade ago.

>>144931527
Story or gtfo

>>144937042
>>144940246
A man can write his fanfic only so quickly.

>>144940322
Not that anon, but you're welcome to read this
http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Natsuki_Subaru/Synopsis

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>>144929715
I wonder why faggots these days praise this overrated shit so much. Annoying MC, uninteresting characters and bland storyline.
Chaika had objectively better MC, better characters and better story.

>>144935692
I liked the idea that for once, the Japanese governement was the expansionist dick.

>>144940841
Chaika isn't an Isekai show though.

>>144940841
Chaika isn't isekai and was pretty average. KonoSuba was a good isekai comedy, Twelve Kingdoms still is the best isekai when it comes to storytelling and world building but none of those make Re:Zero bad. It just gets praise because the genre was dead and filled with forgettable garbage for a good decade.

>>144929883
Truly the genre has nothing good to offer.

I can accept that Konosuba is liked and even good show, but it failed to tickle my funny bone, which means it failed as a comedy for me personally.

That depends on what you're looking for.

I like it, but if i want some light hearted stuff i'd choose Konosuba.

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Posting best girl

>>144929715
re:zero's the best isekai with both a serious story and that takes itself seriously (as in, it doesn't look at the viewer and wink saying "yes this is an isekai, isekais are so silly") imo

Which day does a new episode comes out for Re:Zero?

>>144931701
Does bunny get it on with blonde? Does cat get to bang cute waitress kitty?

>>144932317
Touma is always called a moralfaggot by edgy sperglords.

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>>144944578
Tomorrow.

>>144944857
thanks anon