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>>144784369
The characters.
>Artstyle
>Rape/Sex scenes
>Gore
All of these are the weakest points of the series.

to be able to meme it out with the other fans
You dont want to be left out right

>>144784369
The characters.

>>144784369
Nothing. It's for edgy teenagers.

>>144785969
>4 edgy teenagers
Most of the fans are dying from old age right now.

>>144786177

>tfw Miura will be on his deathbed thinking about Idolmaster
>tfw this will be sooner than you think

>>144784470
We haven't seen any of the second for ages now, though the "corridor of memories" one of those wizards mentioned in the chapter before the last one suggests that Casca will be reminded of her rape again. Probably not a good idea considering it drives her into a berserk state.

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I like the sheer scale of things the unbridled rage of one man and his masochism armor is going to have to overcome to get some simple revenge, and the fact that he's already found new purpose in life beyond it before even reaching the battle. While everything on the entire planet is direct, glaring evidence of the overwhelming victory of Griffith, he will still fall. It's fucking glorious.

It's the best Chinese cartoon comic book there is

>>144784369

It's basically babbys first seinen manga.

>>144784369
For a great while it was a cool story about a strong willed human fucking shit up, with cool development and was edgy, but not poorly done. It was cool that a character could have some demons, but not be an edgelord.

Now it's kinda becoming garbage.

>>144784470
>Artstyle
>on of the weakest points of the series.

You're kidding, right?

>>144784369
Guts and Griffith, two excellent characters

>>144787288
But that's Gantz...

>>144788491
This pretty much, the main appeal of it for me anyway is seeing a beautiful friendship disintegrate and watch as two former best friends end up hating each other because one betrayed the other in the most heinous fashion possible.

I wish there was more dark fantasy similar to 12 kingdoms and Berserk. The lasting appeal is watching Guts and Griffith perform a role reversal: Guts desperately wants to maintain his humanity but struggles to reach his goal and Griffith willingly traded it away and is getting everything he ever wanted in life.

I just want to see where the struggle gets Guts.

Characters, art and what used to Be a cool world of "all magic is evil" -type.

>>144786177
biological age =/= mental age

The struggle, growth, and journey of the characters.

The gore/rape/sex is simply a way to stress these elements, and should not be seen as focal points.

It is a retelling of Macbeth with elements of Army of Darkness, Highlander, and Guin Saga thrown in.

Griffith remains one of the most complex villains ever created. Guts is more than your average, quiet Clint Eastwood here -- he is a broken man who was left with nothing by the man who was his brother. All he lives for now is revenge, because that is all he has.

Puck

>>144784369
anti-hero Kenshiro with a big fucking sword
That's the le funny maymay description anyway

>>144784369
The symbol on Guts' neck is kinda cool, but that's about it.

>>144784369
the lolishit u ding dong

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>>144791275
You've failed to keep up with the past couple volumes.

>>144784369
>Characters
>Plot
>Action
>World building
>Tone
>Atmosphere

The rape/sex isn't even supposed to appeal to you besides the Guts and Casca stuff. The gore just compliments the action in order to add to the theme, tone, and atmosphere stuff.

>>144784369
nothing. it's liked by edgy kids who have shit taste

>>144784369
To watch the journey of the black swordsman and the struggles he carries with him. To see him fight for survival as hes on a quest to cure his waifus autism, while fending off monsters,demons and gods. To watch him suffer, get hurt and see him still carry on. To watch how he becomes a lone wanderer due to past events and how gradually he opens up to other people once again. I want to see him finally get the happiness he so sought after, to finally put and end to all the struggle and fights hes been trough the entirety of his life. I like, and i watch berserk because i want to see the end of the black swordsman saga.

>>144786177
I don't think a 50 year old man would keep up with moeserker's harem antics

>>144784369
a hard life

>>144784369
I liked the atmosphere.
Even if an anime/manga is pure trash, but has a decent atmosphere, I can enjoy it

The rare species we call the manly male protagonist.

I can relate

>>144795804
>manga
>pure trash
You're either pointlessly exaggerating or hopelessly contrarian to the point of retardation.

>>144795968
Why are you so triggered?

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>>144796053
Let me guess, it was bait all along.

>>144796121
No, I'm asking why are you so assblasted, that's all.
Please, tell me.

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>>144796197
I read "an" as "the" in your post. I was the retard all along.

brb

>>144796250
>Even if an anime/manga is pure trash, but has a decent atmosphere, I can enjoy it
It was more a generic comment.

Regarding Berserk, no, I don't think Berserk is 'pure trash' or bad in any way, is has several other qualities, but I like it mostly for the atmosphere, that's all.

>>144786269
>tfw berserk is slowly turning into lolishit
there's gotta be an escape from this hell

>>144784369
homoeroticism

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the human and warm moments

>>144788186
To be fair the last two chapters art took a complete nose dive compared to older chapters.

>>144784369
Characters and world building.

>>144784369
Decent writing

I guess...

>>144793056
Shit's going to hit the fan as soon as Casca becomes unretarded.

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>>144798011

>>144784369
rape mostly

>>144799805
Oh! They're throwing themselves in the biggest bonfire alright.

>>144784369
babbies first seinen
'Cult' following on reddit or some shit

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Farnese is a blow-up doll and Caska is the cutest tard.
Discuss.

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>>144800098
That's just Farnese's out of control pheromones from her unattended lust altering her appearance from Guts' POV. Also we need one of these for Berserk threads.

>>144788648

Apples and oranges.

>>144800098
Guys it's ok, those big lips and eyes just a side effect of living in Elfhelm

>>144788648
Maybe in like 2008 Gantz was a reasonable second, but no fucking way nowadays. It's receded significantly, while Berserk has only gotten more popular, even before this giant cancer surge with the anime.

>>144784369
The story. The way the golden age covers a generic medieval story but still manages to make it great and how the eclipse makes you understand guts wasn't really a bad guy during the black swordsman arc

>>144798037
How so?

>>144784369
Tbh, I've been reading it for the first time... It's a 7/10 at most without the art. Everything in the story becomes predictable as you go through the motions.

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>>144802751
because the first translations were from shitty korean scans, I'll post the recent japanese scans and you can see for yourself

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>>144802900
and the japanese

>>144784369
Dark atmosphere, oppressive mood, classical tragedy-style struggle against fate and cosmic forces, the GAR goodness of a normal dude with no powers slaying eldritch horrors, looking into the awesome force of a single-minded revenge.

So pretty much everything that Berserk no longer has

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It's a beautiful story about enduring and living with physical and psychological trauma.

Bunnyzerk.

>>144784369
I dropped it after Griffith turned into jesus demon or some shit after edgy grimdark imprisonment

>>144804332
And that loli idols can destroy your creative edge.

>>144788186
>>144798037
>>144784470

>literally 2 chapters out of over 340 with small issues in the art
>WOW THE ART IS GETTING SO SHIT

This is why you never listen to /a/ about anything

>>144804455
you dropped it at the best part of the series

>>144804918
Thank god I didn't miss much then

>>144804945
but you thought the rest of the golden age was good? Let me guess you got assblasted when it ended up not being a regular medieval story and it showed signs of fantasy? You probably got into this series via the movies didn't you?

>>144802956
I prefer the korean scan in this set

>>144800314
>Both has rape, gore, & sexualize women a lot
They are both literally the same

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>>144784369
>Rape/Sex scenes
Fun fact.
The loli witch almost got raped by tentacle monsters during the otherwise boring and shitty Sea God arc.
And some people still believe that Miura is not a pedophile. Yeah right.

Chapter 345 when ?

>>144808405
A true man loves women of all sizes

>>144801175
Literally no one is watching berserk 2016. And i mean it, tge only people i see talking about it is you faggots at /a/. If anything, berserk will be less popular with the new show than it was before.

>>144808706
Now.

Waiting to witness Griffith's death.

>>144809151
>Waiting to witness Griffith's death.

We will have to wait another 7 or 8 years before that happens.

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>>144802956
>star of david window
What did he mean by this?

>>144809486
I've already been in it for 20. Might as well hang on.

>>144787271
Griffith won't lose. Casca will die and Guts will probably just let it go and start over again letting his rage subside going into his utopia or carving his own path again. but with new purpose

series is not ending on some epic battle. its going to be depressing, bittersweet

>>144810375
Everyone in Griffith's city is going to be sacrificed, whether he intends for it or not. Even if Guts never personally cuts him down, all of his work will be destroyed and he might as well be dead.

>>144809551
You know I was gonna ask why the magicians looked like jews and I didn't even notice the window

>>144810477
>Everyone in Griffith's city is going to be sacrificed
Tell me why

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>>144810607

>>144784369
The relaxing boat trip?

>>144791275
>Griffith remains one of the most complex villains ever created.

I guess Ravages monopolizes the top percentile of most complex villains ever created then.

>>144784369
Up until a point, it had great, fully realized characters. I personally liked it for how unconventional of a protagonist Guts is. You'll like his some thick headed brute or retarded edgelord, but really he's just a confused and angry guy who was never able to grow up until recently. I love how emotional he gets, and how awkward he can be

>>144809551
>>144810531
The pentagram or star pentagram is a common wicca and occult symbol.This is not the first time one of these appears as well, we sawa couple on Flora's manor.

>>144810991
does it no longer?

>>144811165
It introduced a bunch of pretty shitty characters without much depth. Also, it started to feel really "anime" instead of gritty and real

>>144811156
>tl note: penta means six

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>>144810991
I still like how Guts is handled. It's nice seeing him grow like that, the last chapter in that regard is spot on.

>>144811890
I wish he was more talkative, but I agree. The last time he saw from Griffith was, what, the pseudo God-Hand ritual, when he fought mozgus? Everything's been going up for him since then, makes sense that the rage in him for Griffith is dying.

I really hope Casca doesn't remember anything from all the time she spent retarded. It'd be great to see how she reacts to everything

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>>144811755
Oops. Yeah, that was bad on my part. Here's something I remember from my latest re-read though, you should probably spot the jew apostle.

>>144810607
>>Everyone in Griffith's city is going to be sacrificed
>Tell me why

Two possibilities:

Maybe Griffith wants to ascend beyond Godhand and has to sacrifice his kingdom to become the new God. That's something that Griffith will do if there's no other way.

Or Griffith is going to get trolled hard by the Idea Of Evil. IoE exists only to give humans "reasons for pain and suffering". Well most of the humans in the world are now gathered in Falconia...

>>144812064
But wasn't Griffith's dream to be King?
You can't be a king if you have no subjects.

>>144809551
Star of David is literally just the Seal of Solomon renamed to be more family friendly. In Jewish lore it's used to command demons and spirits.

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>>144795639
I see what you did there.

>>144812055
which one is the jew apostle? I recognize the fat slug man apostle in the upper left, but I don't see a jewish one unless if you mean the big nosed one lower to the left

>>144812397
Yup.The big nosed one.

>>144802956
Thanks. This actually makes me feel a lot better.

>>144784369
It's an engaging story with great characters, plain and simple. It deals with extreme subject material, so if it puts you off don't watch it.

>>144812397
all of them

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>>144784369
It was a brilliant balance between medieval fantasy, horror and period romance.
A hybrid between Conan the Barbarian, Rose of Versailles and Hellraiser.

It's wasn't able to preserve it's quality but that's not really a surprise considering the series is almost 30 years old.

People who say it's only about gore and rape haven't read the manga.

The Golden Age arc is probably one of the best medieval fantasy stories ever written.

It's a pity the new anime is so terrible.

>>144802956
This really does look washed out, though.
The thicker outlines might be to compensate for the lack of contrast, but I can't be sure.

Personally my biggest issue is the barrage of new characters who are given nothing to do.
Most of the time they are just standing around in the background looking scared or concerned.

>>144802956
Oh this looks way better than this crap:
>>144802900
Thanks anon, you have helped me to clear my troubled mind.

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>>144784369
I like about Berserk because is the story of a man who fights monsters, while also fighting his inner demons.
A man who even gaze directly upon the abyss and keept his humanity.


The innermonologues are the best part of Berserk.

>>144814817
arigato ESL-kun

>>144812064
>Idea Of Evil

You really need to stop mentioning that. It's been retconned precisely because he realised that many of the readers wouldn't understand it, and he was just trying to insert things he learned from Nietzche into the story and judging from that chapter, he did it badly. Hence why he pulled it.

>>144815160
Interesting theory. Where do you think he may have misinterpreted or executed badly?

>>144815209
It's not that he misinterpreted, it's just that he wanted to put a chapter in there that better explains why griffith's mindset changed so much post transformation so that it didn't seem like magical hoo joo.

Having this thing there to simply parrot Nietzche in there to convince griffith and turn his mindset into the Overmans who is above good and evil was a good idea, but it makes people think it's some villain when it's not.

>>144784369
Guts.

>>144784369

I really enjoyed the political aspects of the Golden Age

>>144800098
>Serpico, am I kawaii?

>>144810607
That's what happened to Gaiseric's empire and events in Berserk's world tend to repeat, with a bit of variation. It would be more surprising if the city wasn't destroyed somehow.

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>>144800098
for comparison, one of the last traditional panels of Farnese.

>>144815310
I dont think so, I dont really see it being distracting in some way.
I feel like whether it was left in or not makes no difference to the story because it has always been about Guts and Griffith
regardless of whether the Idea of Evil is something that needs to be 'defeated' later on, it takes a backseat to the real crux of the story and the reason we all read Berserk.

No one is reading it to see Guts defeat the Idea of Evil, we have no emotional investment in it.

Any more western medieval style stories like Berserk?

>>144791275

Guts can't be summarized simply as "your average, quiet Clint Eastwood". As a character he's probably more complex than Griffith, it's just that Griffith is more mysterious since we never get to track his inner thoughts.

>>144816491

The Idea of Evil pretty obviously still exists and is the "real" source of Femto's power. The reason everything is going "just right" for Griffith is because he got the subtle backing of the Idea of Evil. IoE is silently nudging everyone in Griffith's direction thanks to causality control, and the only people not fully exposed to this are Guts and Casca (and presumably Skull Knight), who are people who sort of fell out of the loop by mistake.

Also, the people associated with Guts, Casca and the Skullknight will by proxy also become more and more disassociated from their "true fate" as a result, since the branded ones will nudge them off the path by association.

>>144804913
This

Holy shit, I swear to God people will just argue and get mad for the sake of it

>>144798037

Yeah let's completely ignore the gorillion chapters that looked great you absolute retard.
It still looks good anyway. You don't have to copy everything /a/ says. Nothing, actually. I don't count, I'm a crossboarder.

>>144810375
Actually, Miura has already confirmed it's going to have a good ending, so no bad ending and nothing pyrrhic/bittersweet shit.

>>144818002

Let's see that sweet sauce on that.

>>144818025
>http://forums.mangafox.me/threads/412892-What-would-your-ending-be
The link or quote is in there somewhere. Point is, the story is obviously building up to a happy ending with all the depressing and rage-filled themes.

>>144808405

There was nothing sexual about that though, it's just you projecting your own sick desires.

excellent taste sir

>>144818002
He said he doesn't think he can let it end with something as grim as everyone suddenly dying eclise-style.
But he didn't exclude a bittersweet ending or something like that.

>>144818419
>Casca diee
>Griffith won't die
>"Utopia" sustained.

If this is your idea of "bittersweet ending for Guts," I'd hate to see what a shitty end looks like in your opinion. Because what you described is about as bad is it could get for him.

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>>144795566
>To watch him suffer, get hurt and see him still carry on.

Some of his adventures are more exciting than others.

>>144818813
No, that's the route he doesn't see himself go, I meant.
But that doesn't mean it all has to end with everyone happy and flowers everywhere and shit.

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>>144819128
what's exciting about Guts doing workout with his personal trainer anon?