ITT, things that anyone who's watched a lot of anime couldn't

>>144692626
Name two shows that do what Cowboy Bebop does and better.

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Literally over rated. Even when I watched it in the 90s.

>>144692698
1. Boku no Pico
2. Pico to Chico

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>>144692698
Lupin the Third + Lupin: Mine Fujiko or Michiko to Hatchin

Saging shit thread. The pilot episode was good

>>144692626
Sex.

>>144692997
>Lupin: Mine Fujiko
HAHHAHAHAHA
>tumblr_lm4xicWTcW1qkl5ujo1_500.png
no wonder you liked that abomination

>>144693099
>>144692997
But in case you think I'm trolling I'll elaborate on my opinion:

-Fujiko's thematic content is self-defeating, not to mention disrespectful to the core of what Lupin is about. Bebop does its own thing without trying to piggyback on an established franchise and does it fairly well.

-The animation is generally bad, Bebop is miles above

-It has some clever storyboarding but the art direction, in its attempt to be "old school", can be just as self-defeating as the story. The appeal of sketchy old anime art is that every frame is drawn by hand with traditional tools, so copypasting the same shitty pencil effect over and over again will actually make your art look more computerized than it otherwise would have. Once again Bebop completely blows it out of the water in this regard.

To be fair it had a few good episodes; those unrelated to the plot that could fit into the green or red jacket series.

Also implying the main Lupin series is trying to do the same thing as Bebop is a misunderstanding of what Lupin is about on par with that of Sayo Yamamoto & Mari Okada. It's even dumber than saying the original Astro Boy & Urasawa's Pluto have the same goals in mind.

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I can't really enjoy any of the Fate animes...so much boring artwork, slow panning frames, boring characters


Top Tier Drawn Animes
Cowboy Bebop
Ghost in the Shell very first movie
Akira
Princess Mononoke

theres more but those are just the ones that come off the top of my head

>>144692997
>Saging shit thread.

>Contrary to popular belief, a sage is not a downvote, and should not be used as one. "sage-bombing" or announcing that you've saged a thread may result in a ban.

>>144693594
The problem with the Fate show is that it's based on a series of VNs and in terms of art VNs are the filthy shit encrusted ghetto of otaku culture. It's an incestuous mess and whereas the artists involved with properties like Bebop & Akira have traditional artistic training and influence from all over the map, VNs are generally just influenced by other VNs which are more about having the dankest most in your face computer shiny effects than about actually being able to draw a face that makes sense in 3D space or knowing how to apply shading by hand that makes something look believable.

>>144692626
I don't see how your appreciation of the show has anything to do with how many animes you've watched when Cowboy Bebop tries its hardest to be as unique and western-influenced as possible. You can't compare it with much animes.

>>144693826
>as unique and western-influenced as possible
Except it takes tons of influence from Japanese cinema and Lupin III.

I mean sure, Lupin III was created with the intent of being western-styled, but it's still a Japanese work. It's a second-hand "western-ness"; it's like saying that in being inspired by Osamu Tezuka, artists like Shotaro Ishinomori were "trying to be western".

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>>144693760
hahaha, i dont even like the phrase visual novel, its a joke.
"I'm not reading a COMIC BOOK, like a kid, I'm reading a VISUAL NOVEL"

>>144693594
>Animes

Opinion instantly invalidated.

>>144692626
Seven Samurai doesn't just stop being good after you watch Eros + Massacre, you hipster fuck.

>>144694385
>"I'm not reading a PICTURE BOOK, like a kid, I'm reading a VISUAL NOVEL
ftfy

But yeah, VNs are bottom of the barrel bullshit.

>>144692698
Just because no show does it better doesn't mean it's good.
The perfect example is Sleeping with Hinako, as far as I know the only show intended to be seen with your eyes closed. However, it still fails, because of flashing lights and alarm clocks, making it impossible to actually enjoy like it's supposed to.

Not saying Cowboy Bebop is bad, though, although I don't like what I've seen so far.

>>144694455
>Cowboy Bebop is overrated normie shit once you've watched truly good anime with literary merit, like Legend of the Galactic Heroes
>Citizen Kane is overrated normie shit once you've watched truly good live-action, like the TV adaptation of The Shining

>>144694724
>>144694455
For the record no I don't think Bebop, is the "Citizen Kane of anime" or w/e dumb shit; it's not even in my 3x3 and it's not influential enough for that. I just used an exaggerated comparison to make my point more comedic.

>>144694724
Overrated only means unenjoyable if you're a contrarian.

>>144694724
>Shining isn't overrated normie shit

Nigga you'll easily find more people praising Shining than Citizen Kane, it's entry-level as can be.

>>144694843
1. I was being sarcastic.

2. I said "the TV adaptation of The Shining". It's once again an exaggerated comparison but I think you can draw some parallel between that and the the idea that LOGH is the best anime because it adapts a good book series.

3. I actually don't like The Shining (most of it is too silly to work as horror) but it's a far better use of a visual medium than the TV show even though the TV show is closer to the book.

>>144694835
Yeah this. I actually do think Bebop is pretty overrated as "one of the only non-shit anime" or whatever by types who don't care about the more in-depth elements of what makes a good TV show and think it's "the best" because it's not as over-the-top as DBZ or whatever they view as "the rest of anime". But it's a well-executed show.

There are also people who like it but pretend to hate it to "keep the normies out of our sacred board" and those are much worse than every other fan or hater because they're on a level of delusion so huge that I don't even know where to start in criticizing it.

>>144692626
I'd already seen over 500 anime before getting down to watching Cowboy Bebop. It was just as good as I'd expected.

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>>144693488
>tumblr
I just pulled it off google, I didn't have a lupin reaction saved

Mine Fujiko wasn't piggybacking off Lupin, I think you watched it with the wrong mindset entirely. It was a heavy reinterpretation of the show, it wasn't attempting to be any homage or 'update'. It was using the show's old aesthetics, characters, humor and setting as a jumping off board to engage with the director's own preoccupations. The only similar examples I can think of are in movies, like Cronenberg's adaptation of The Fly or Carpenter's The Thing. While they weren't oblivious to their predecessor's, they were making the films in its shadow or with any careful reverence. They abused it into their own creation. The OP alone should be enough to make that clear.

And on its own, Mine Fujiko was good. The writing, music and art direction were all strong and worked together to engage with noir, especially its subversion of the femme fatale, the period setting, the narrative themes. I agree the animation was pathetic, but whatever

>Also implying the main Lupin series is trying to do the same thing as Bebop is a misunderstanding of what Lupin is about
What was cowboy bebop about? I couldn't finish it
>>144693678
Hello newfag

>>144694385
Found the retard.

>>144694779
>it's not even in my 3x3
Now I see why you have such shit taste.

literally anything made after 2009

>>144693027
TOPKEK

>>144692725
Doesn't mean it wasn't great. Not perfect, but great.

I get it though, lots of people just dick ride it too hard. Like, chill, it was great now move on.

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>>144695438
go read a "visual novel" you dork

>>144695373
>It was using the show's old aesthetics, characters, humor and setting as a jumping off board to engage with the director's own preoccupations.
Except that she lied & said she wanted to "capture the true feeling of the manga". The manga is an action-comedy full of dick jokes and light-hearted so-puerile-it's-funny shit and is not trying to be deep social commentary on any level. They also have radically opposing art styles.
>They abused it into their own creation
And that's the problem. The difference though is that Carpenter's The Thing, despite going against the purpose of the original in trying to be gross and messed up instead of tense, was a pretty good popcorn movie special effects showcase. Meanwhile I disagree that Fujiko was good even when separated from Lupin.
>The writing, music and art direction were all strong and worked together to engage with noir
There's a ton of animated stuff that did film noir inspiration better than Fujiko, including Bebop itself. Also Batman: The Animated Series, Big O and (kind of unfair since it's an OVA series made over a huge time span, but my personal favorite example) the night-time scenes of the Giant Robo OVAs.
>What was cowboy bebop about? I couldn't finish it
I'm not talking about "message", I'm talking about tone. Classic Lupin and Bebop have very different tones.
>especially its subversion of the femme fatale
Except that it didn't subvert shit? It celebrated the femme fatale. Where did you even take this from, Violence Jill's lunatic college libeal interpretation of the story?

Fujiko's message was just that "you don't need to be broken to be a badass femme fatale". The problem with this message being that

1. Lupin never implied that and THEY were the ones who tried to trick the audience into thinking Fujiko was raped and broken to begin with, and

2. In trying to trick the audience they spent most of the series making Fujiko look vulnerable and broken instead of just having her do cool shit

>>144695373
>>144696056
Also (not enough room)

3. When portrayed in a serious setting as opposed to a cartoony one, Fujiko is an unlikable, repulsive bitch and not a STRONG WOEMYN role model. If they truly used the manga versino of Lupin's character like they claimed (and lied) as opposed to the anime version he'd have been just as bad if not worse.

They even went the extra mile to make her unbearable with her absolutely psychotic revenge on the main "villain" whose backstory was so fucked up and made her behavior so understandable she made the saddest Batman villains look like irredeemable monsters in comparison

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>>144695373
>Also implying the main Lupin series is trying to do the same thing as Bebop is a misunderstanding of what Lupin is about
Who are you quoting? I don't think someone who doesn't follow basic rules and can't even use the quote function properly is qualified to call others new. Lurk more.

>>144693760
>>>/reddit/

>>144693826
>animes
Fucking kill yourself

>>144696406
People constantly posted here about how the Reddit anime forum's favorite anime of that particular year was NGNL. Thinking NGNL has good art direction and that's right up the alley of VNfags; maybe you should go there.

>>144695051
No one thinks LoGH is the best anime because it adapt a good book series though. Most people don't even know it's based on books.

>>144694385
The term you're thinking of is "graphic novel," not "visual novel," you fucking idiot. Lurk more.

>>144696547
When did I ever mention NGNL retard. Maybe you should stop projecting. VN's have a lot to offer I'm sorry you're too much of a normalfag to realize that.

>>144696649
>Most people don't even know it's based on books.
I highly doubt it.

Most people think it's the best because of its "literary merits". Off the top of my head I can only remember coming across two people that went in-depth about its execution beyond that in my life since I started using /a/ in 2006; and one of them wasn't even on /a/.

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/a/ - pic related

>>144696829
I don't bother with visual mediums if they look like shit; I read books for pure literary merit. Most VNs look like utter shit, I can only think of a tiny handful that don't.

List the top 5 best-drawn VNs, I'm curious if there's gonna be any overlap.

bait the thread

>>144696927
Not him, but 99% of a typical VN is going to be text with an image of a character standing there. It's not really much of a visual medium.

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>>144696927
>implying art direction is the only thing that makes a show/VN good

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I've watched many animes and bebop is still the best i've seen

>>144696964
Bebop is really overrated

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>>144693594
>>144693826
>>144697066
>animes

>>144697201
Animes aren't money.

>>144692626
They wouldn't understand the most of the comedy

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>>144694437
>>144697201
why don't you actually contribute what you think some well drawn animes are to the thread, you cunts

4chan is a respectable site, how dare you tarnish it with your shitposting drivel

I still enjoy Bebop, especially the music. Yoko Kanno did such a good job on Bebop, as well as Wolf's Rain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKnVaDwUg5s

>>144697057
Visual storytelling is the core of a visual story just as gameplay is the core of a game. You can take a piece of shit and cover it up with sugar and sparkles but there will still be a piece of shit at the core.
>>144697013
>Not him, but 99% of a typical VN is going to be text with an image of a character standing there
And that can't be impressive? Do you think only explosions and epic perspective makes for interesting drawings?

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>>144696056
>there's a ton of animated stuff that did film noir inspiration better than Fujiko
But Fujiko wasn't inspired by noir, it wasn't engaging with it. There's a big difference. Fujiko's femme fatale character was already present in Lupin, an inspiration taken from noir, Mine Fujiko was an elaboration on that character and the femme fatale archetype, giving a new dimension to its deception, seductivity, mystery and black box emptiness in a way that I thought to be very tongue in cheek

>Violence Jill's lunatic college libeal interpretation of the story
Idk what this is

I don't think they ever said anything about being true to the manga, just that they wanted to bring back some of the darker and more adult content, and it doesn't fucking matter if they did, they don't owe anything to you.

>you don't need to be broken to be a badass femme fatale
>a STRONG WOEMYN role model
>trying to trick the audience
>truly used the manga versino of Lupin's character like they claimed (and lied)
You sound like you're from /co/ whining about canon breaking and not following the lore while at the same time completely misinterpreting the work. This happens everytime someone takes a little too many liberties, or tries to pitch a narrative a little too difficult, for the autists to handle. What an uninteresting conversation

>>144696300
>called out for greentexting actual quote
this meme has gone full circle

>>144698017
It's funny that "/a/ IS A SACRED SAFE SPACE FOR ANIME CONNOISSEURS" types get upset at anyone saying "animes" but then find engrish charming and lovable

I personally think your list contained some of the best-drawn anime of all time but I also think it showed kind of a single-minded idea of what good art is in that they have pretty realistic anatomy. Something can be hyper-stylized and still have tons of technical drawing skill in how it's drawn. For example the 2003 Astro Boy anime & Kaiba.

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>>144698264
>it wasn't engaging with it.
was*

>>144698264
I like some /co/ threads but the board is mostly cancerous garbage and honestly one of the worst 4chan boards. I take absolutely no influence from their consensus on things like "muh lore".

How am I misinterpreting the work? It sounds like you're the one doing that. How did it "subvert" the femme fatale instead of celebrating and glorifying it?

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>>144698017
Does lizardposter not know lizardposter's distinct non-native english is dead giveaway for his replying to himself?

Is it perhaps a cry for help? Lizardposter, what's wrong?

>>144698064
>And that can't be impressive? Do you think only explosions and epic perspective makes for interesting drawings?
No, that's not my point at all. I'm saying that it seems silly to judge it so strongly by visuals when they're such a minor aspect. "The medium involves visuals so therefore those are the most important aspect and I won't bother with any of its entries if they don't deliver on that, even if they appeal for other reasons" is just ridiculously hardline nonsense that appeals to people who would rather make arbitrary "objective" judgments of quality than actually try to enjoy their media.

>>144692626
>Implying there weren't some amazing moments of direction in the show

>>144698470
If you want me to treat writing as the core of VNs then I have even less reason to bother with them, I have a huge backlog of books to read.

>>144698064
You just invalidated your whole argue meant please drink bleach and do the world a favor.

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>>144698413
nah, I don't use shit like hyper-stylized or safe space

nice pic btw, but no gif??

also I'd never use "anime connosieur", it sounds kind of snobby
"I enjoy anime like I enjoy a fine wine..."
"Ooh yes, that was an excellent year for anime...hya hya hyah"

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>>144698017

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>>144698402
It didn't subvert it, it just expanded on it in a way that is in line with the rest of the show's themes. It's been awhile so I don't remember the details of the plot exactly, but having the owl life controlling conspiracy shit was a way to both lay bare that mystery and non-background that largely defines the femme fatale but in a way that is even more obfuscated, and to undermine her position as a foil to the protagonist by instead making her a psuedo-protagonist. Her use of deception becomes an outlet for her genuine lack of identity, etc. It's relevant to Lupin mostly because Mine was already an extreme exaggeration of the femme fatale, as well as Lupin's plot structure was built on deus ex machina.

If they were doing some feminist shit, they would've taken the misogynist femme fatale and given here a "real" character, made her into a real human bean if you weren't aware, feminists fucking hate femme fatale's. it was probably the first thing they started to criticize in movies. Instead they did the opposite and exaggerated and distorted its aspects to make it more interesting in its distortion. It didn't really do any justice to her character, but it did result in a very interesting mirror of the original series' world.

If you're not a crossposter, where are your reaction images?

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>>144698933
but look at how he posts. how can there be two lizardposters in one thread. I refuse to believe it

>but no gif??
what did he mean by this

>>144698774
It's a combination of writing and mild interaction, plus some images of cute girls on the screen. Trying to simplify media like this and make those sorts of direct comparisons doesn't work.

>>144696834
But the LotGH books are garbage genre fiction. They don't have literary merit.

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>>144698957
4chan: when you stare into the abyss, the abyss...
when you speak with trolls...

>>144699086
im getting confused now, why can't there be IDs on this like /pol?

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>>144692626
I legitimately don't understand why people like this. Outside of a few standouts, every episode follows the same formula. The battles lack any kind of stakes or tension and they aren't even particularly well-animated (outside of the last few episodes). The only thing this show has is a novel setting and a likeable cast. It's just a mediocre action series with a ham-fisted morality play aspect to give it the illusion of depth. How can anyone enjoy this besides Toonami nostalgiafags?

>>144698402
Wait a minute, are you the same guy in the manga masterpiece thread

>>144699429
are you from fulchan?

>>144692626
We get it; you don't like 90s anime.

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>>144698264

>ITT : (You)

>>144699589
I enjoy Trigun and Bebop equally, however you must admit the art in Bebop is definitely superior

>>144699589
I can't tip my fedora any harder than I am right now, but I want you to know that I'm trying as hard as I can. Because one day, I want to be on your level.

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>>144693027
smocc dogg gives this post a strong 10 nigga

>>144693488
>Bebop is miles above
m-m-more LIKE MILES DAVIS ABOVE!!! ANY /mu/TANTS UP IN THIS BIIIITCH?!?!?!?!