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>Yeah I tried to make you my slave for life and tried to burn

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>Yeah I tried to make you my slave for life and tried to burn Okuyasu alive but now I'm all buddy buddy no problems k thanks

Holy shit why does Jojo have such shit writing?
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Okuyasu tried to kill Josuke but Josuke still became friends with him.

Fuck off and go kill yourself.
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>>144635354

Because Koichi and Josuke are forgiving good people and they probably didn't tell Jotaro.

If Jotaro knew what Rohan did to Koichi and Okuyasu he'd fucking kill him without a moment's hesitation.
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>>144635531
Josuke is a bro like all jojos
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>>144635591
Jotaro isn't that edgy.
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>>144635354
Kakyoin stop shitposting
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>>144635354
>Yes I tried to kill Jonathan and rob him but it's cool now we're friends for life
This has been happening since phantom blood you retard. Also Josuke tried to Jew him out of some money and burns his house down.
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>>144635354
It's not shit!
It's BIZARRE

Honestly JoJo is at it's best when it's going full retard
I miss Part 2
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>>144635626

And koichi isn't? fuck off.
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Josuke gets him back, dont worry
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>>144635591
He didn't kill Akira despite the guy trying to kill his grandfather. The most Jotaro would do is arrest Rohan and Okuyasu for Stand crimes.
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>>144635940
when did i ever say that?
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>>144636044
You mean beating the ever loving shit out of him wasn't enough?
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>>144635686
>Josuke tried to Jew Rohan out of some money
>Also burns his house down
>Doesn't even offer to use Crazy Diamond to fix it

Jesus Christ, I love Josuke and all, he's my top JoJo of all time alongside with Johnny but this was probably one of his lowest points for me, notwithstanding how hilarious it was with the readers.
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>>144636244
If OP thinks letting them beat him up wasnt enough forgiveness, Josuke certainly makes it even later even if its not intentional
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>>144636289
I imagine he did offer to fix it, but Rohan probably threatened to replace his blood with ink and use him as his new ink pot.
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>>144635354
rohan literally saved his life twice
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>>144635354
>Implying enemies turning into friends isn't a major thing in this series
>Speedwagon
>Kakyoin
>Polnareff
>Okuyasu
>Manlet Con-Artist
>Rohan
>Probably more and lots of future ones too
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>>144636976
Kakyoin was brainwashed
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You gonna get befriended.
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>>144635354
Because its shit. Author has autism or something.
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>>144636976
Jotaro dies in part 6
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>>144637014
There's all sorts of different circumstances but it's still a recurring theme.

Not to mention there's people like Stroheim as well.
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>>144637240
>Implying I didn't read the manga
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>>144635354
Fuck off with your shitty threads you filthy secondary.
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>>144636092
That was only because he didn't have to. Every stand user who has successfully pissed him off ended up getting beaten to fucking death in a particularly brutal manner.
>>144636244
Rohan will never stop being a prick to Josuke no matter what. He even saved his fucking life at one point and Rohan still shit on him for that just because he ignored his warning. Fuck him, I'm glad his house burned down.
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>bad guys turn good for no reason
>every episode is a filler "monster of the week" style with nothing at stake except for the last 2-3
>fights against fucking rats, dogs and gorillas
>characters act like idiots all the time: strange things happen? -> don't even consider it could be a stand, fall into traps all the time and split for no reason other than to force 1v1 fights
>then in those fights they suddenly turn into tactical geniuses


I don't understand why people like this so much. Season 1 was a masterpiece and now it's nothing but trash.
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>>144637689
>strange things happen? -> don't even consider it could be a stand
that was the very first thing rohan thought
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>>144637689
>Season 1 was a masterpiece
it literally had everything you just described.
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>>144636976
I think pt.5 is the only one where all the bros aren't met as villains first.
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>>144637974
Yeah but the tradeoff is they are all mafioso from the start.
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>>144637689
>Season 1 was a masterpiece
Phantom Blood is fairly mediocre. I guess the adaption was novel for people who hadn't read the manga.
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>>144635354
Rohan is autistically batshit. If he tells you you're his buddy, nod and smile for your own good.
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>>144637689
Phantom Blood was literally just this but with lightning fast pacing and worse art
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>>144637689
The only thing later jojo does bad is pacing and shittons of filler but that's the cost of being popular.
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>>144635354
they cut some part of the manga actually,koichi really doesnt want to get involved with rohan at first
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>>144637689

Phantom Blood is the most boring shit part of the whole series and contains everything you just criticized about the other parts.
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>>144639377
>>144639833
>>144639893
I'm pretty sure he's calling Phantom Blood + Battle Tendency "season 1".
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>>144640401
Fucking animeonly fags
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>>144635354
All stand users seem to have a strain of latent psychopathy in them, dunno why that is. Maybe its connected to them supposedly having "more willpower than most" or something
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>>144640476
The funny thing is, the fights involving the Ripple aren't very different to the fights involving Stands: both opponents have a set of different supernatural abilities, the fight boils down to one opponent trying to outsmart the one, and the thing can get very messy (and bloody).
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>>144636289
Can Crazy Diamond even repair something as big and complicated as a house?
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>>144635354
Cute girls can get away with everything, just look at that smile and tell me you don't want to go exploring alleyways with him
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>>144635354
Did you forget that literally the first enemy introduced other than Dio went from trying to kill Johnathan to being gay for him and devoting his entire life and legacy to supporting his family?

And johnathan didn't even need to beat the shit out of him to change him.
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>>144636289
Consider this, though: Rohan fucking deserves it.
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>>144640589
in the manga we only really focus on Stand users, but I imagine if most of the people in the world suddenly got a spiritual power that allowed them to defeat/outwit/cheat 99% of normal people, they'd go a bit criminally insane.
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>>144635591

Jotaro would just oraora him into a coma.
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>>144640956
Dio also went from trying to kill Johnathan to being gay for him and devoting his entire life and legacy to be accepted by his body
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Refresh my memory because I can't remember most of the canon fodder opponents from Part 3, but did Jotaro ever willfully kill anyone? Or were they all just hospitalized or died from other means?
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>>144641052
yeah, but have you seen the shit Stand users, on average, have pulled? Burning people alive, dismembering with skipping a beat, attempting to gouge eyes and tongues out, planting lethal parasites in peoples bodies, braining people with fucking bricks out of the blue shit like that. Even your average hardened criminal might shy away from the incredibly violent things Stand users have pulled, most would just shoot you and get it over with
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>>144641167
>but did Jotaro ever willfully kill anyone
Yes, DIO
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>>144636092
He also needed Akira alive for information
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>>144641129
everyone loses against superior Joestar ubermensch, they're canonically "just better" than most people
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>>144641397
Half the time Joestars get their shit knocked in and barely survive with the help of their friends.
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>>144641446
>>144640956
Just think, if Johnathan had never won over Speedwagon by being a perfect gentleman, he would never have struck oil, founded the Speedwagon foundation, led Joseph to Caesar, and Joseph and/or Jotaro probably would have failed in their quests
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Reminder that Josuke gets back at Rohan by being an OR DI NA RY GUY
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>>144641446
and they always have friends to help them because of their god-tier charisma/good looks. I mean, just look at these aesthetically pleasing fuckers
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>>144641397
I kind of think this changed after part 6 since Johnny and JoJolion Josuke don't seem to be particularly "better" than other people. Probably has to do with Araki's writing more than anything though.
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>>144637240
Literally everybody dies in part 6. Except Emporio I guess.
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>>144635354
Becuase he's araki's self intert AND fujo's fan favorite so he can get away with literally everything. He does die twice while suffering horribly tho,don't worry.
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>>144641744
I was thinking the same. Compared to the other jojos, Johnny and Kirafumi only have one loyal friend (Gyro and Yasuho).
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>>144635354
The real question is why are you so butthurt over something trivial?
Must be a burger, bet you'd have shot him in the back.
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>>144635354
Thisi s how all anime characters make friends.
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>>144637974
Bruno was fought as a villain
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>>144637974
because they are villains
giorno is a villain himself
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>>144641167

That monkey with the ship Stand, and the fake captain assassin. Rubber Soul maybe as well.
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>>144637689
>Season 1 was a masterpiece and now it's nothing but trash.
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>>144640476
If it makes you feel better I plan on starting to read after this season ends.
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>>144635686
This. How can OP be this retarded?
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Let's be completely honest here. Is there any single person but Araki that thinks Rohan actually has a good personality?

Does Araki even think that?

Literally all of Rohan's battles are Joseph in part 3 levels of psychological distress.
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>>144641167
To my knowledge he killed Captain Tenille and Forever.

He MIGHT have killed Rubber Soul and Steely Dan, but it's never really made clear if Star Platinum's beatdown was fatal.

Of course, I may be remembering things wrong, so...
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>>144641744
Johnny's a cripple and Jojolion Josuke is a lost amnesiac, to be fair.
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>>144637689
>bad guys turn good for no reason
You mean like Speedwagon, Caesar, and Stroheim in the masterpiece that is part 1?
>every episode is a filler "monster of the week" style with nothing at stake except for the last 2-3
Right, because Tarkus/Blueford was totally necessary to the plot right? It's not like fights are the main point of the series or anything. Once the characters know who the main baddie is, they should just defeat him and that's it. Who even cares about establishing a setting, side characters, or adding in fun chapters to lighten the mood?
>fights against fucking rats, dogs and gorillas
What's your point? Are you saying that a fight is automatically made shit because one of the combatants isn't human? Who cares?
>characters act like idiots all the time: strange things happen? -> don't even consider it could be a stand, fall into traps all the time and split for no reason other than to force 1v1 fights
What the fuck? Did you even watch the fucking show? Most of the characters assume from the get-go that what they're facing is a stand. Look at how Rohan first reacted to Remi for fucks sake.
>then in those fights they suddenly turn into tactical geniuses
You mean like Joseph, and how his entire character is based on how strategic he is in fights, then turns into a bumbling dumbass during non-action scenes? But season 1 is still a masterpiece right?
>I don't understand why people like this so much. Season 1 was a masterpiece and now it's nothing but trash.
At this point I'm pretty sure I'm the bigger idiot for responding to bait.
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battle tendency and phantom blood were fucking garbo on the level of baoh and jojo only got good around part 4 or so, and even then didn't become great until part 7.
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>>144643263
battle tendency is pretty good
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>>144635354
wtf I hate Jojo now
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>>144643299
battle tendency had one good character and a couple of entertaining moments, in the entire part
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Whatever happened to actually killing stand users?
It seems by the time they arrived to Egypt on part 3 everyone was spared, with a few exceptions.
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>>144643299
battle tendency is decent, but overrated as fuck.
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>>144635686
>holy fuck this guy is 2gud. Even tho we're trying to kill him he's only maiming us. This guy is a TRUE GENTLEMEN! I'm going to be his best brojo
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>People only now realising that JJBA has poor writing.

It excels in characters, design and fights and not much else. It takes until Part 7 for the writing to actually get very good. If the fights weren't GOAT tier then WSJ would have canned it a long time ago.
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>>144642903
He certainly has an entertaining personality.
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>>144643438
>It takes until Part 7 for the writing to actually get very good
Even then some of the choices are extremely questionable. Like what the point of dedicating a good chunk of the opening chapter to Sandman and establishing his character only to kill him off in a random fight, or having Diego be brought back and be the final fight, which kinda took away from the Valentine fight.
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>>144643410
you need to wait for part 5, araki was in a really good mood when he was writing 4 but in part 5 he was in a slump and i don't think a single enemy was spared. some even get tortured to death, by the 'good' guys
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>>144643576
I thought it was to tell the reader yo this is a reset and we're back in america. Because that's how I read into it.
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>>144643438
People always say 7 has good writing but never say why.
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>>144643576
Sandman's introduction just seemed like world-building. Like, "Hey, welcome to the wild plains of America". Although he was a sadly underutilized character.
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>>144643614
How are they good? They are fucking mafia
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>>144643660
Still, I would have liked to see them do something more with him. Maybe something along the lines of him replacing Pocoloco as the guy who wins the race in the end. Also, removing the Diego fight, and having Johnny maybe tie with Sandman or something, so Johnny technically wins the race as well and mends the relationship with his father.
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>>144643576
I agree but the later part of made up for it. I was so annoyed about how everything with Sandman went down though, I can forgive Deigo's appearance at the end because it's kind of like fan service and it was hype when it happened.

I would say Part 8 is where his writing has been at it's best. It being a mystery heavy story also allows people to brush aside stuff that Araki may have 'forgotten' as simply not having been explained just yet.

The only reason JJBA gets away with this is because the fights are usually so good it allows you to overlook this kind of stuff.
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>>144637482
>Every stand user who has successfully pissed him off ended up getting beaten to fucking death in a particularly brutal manner.
Did you read Part 3?

They're RETIRED
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>>144643672
Because of Ringo, Valentine, Gyro (sometimes), the ending fight with Johnny and valentine to say the least.
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>>144643755
They were overthrowing the corrupt members. Giorno only joins because he wants to be a 「GANG STAR 」and help stop the drug trade.
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>>144643672
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It's trying to spread a message of forgiveness and seeing the best in people.
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>>144643787
Of course. If I wasn't able to forgive sub-par writing in exchange for amazing action, I would have dropped JoJo faster than the speed of light.
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>>144643260
The animal fights are great. It is refreshing to have extraordinary enemies like the animal ones, for reasons I hopefully don't have to explain. That is true in general for any show that has a lot of fighting and action and many, constantly changing foes. In a show that follows the Monster of the Week trope, with the main enemy being built up in the background, there isn't much room for characterizing every enemy and giving them depth. In order for that to not become boring, you need to either modify them (see animal stand users or oingo and boingo), add comedy to some fights, or skip them entirely (DiU uses a lot of slice-of-life elements to achieve that, an experiment that was largely successful).
And in regards to the animal fights in particular, they have the bonus if the opponent ridden by base instincts, which means behavior that is generally different from that of human enemies. For example, animals have a lack of empathy, leading them to possibly doing some rather cruel things if it ensures survival.
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>>144643755
i was using 'good' in the sense that they are on the side with the protagonist, but also giorno's dream for drugs to not be sold to children is fairly commendable
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jojo's bizarre adventure is 'form over function' in it's purest distilled essence, the vast majority of what araki does with his manga is purely because he thinks its cool and i can respect that
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>>144643967
It does mean that JJBA can never be considered the GOAT manga though, despite what it's fanbase might suggest. Part 8 is really good though, has to be said, might end up being the best part if it stays like this all the way through.
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>>144644227
In terms of the quality of writing, its not as if Araki tries to execute intriguing concepts and falls short, its that the story is there to provide an excuse for the action. The story is sub-par simply because its meant to be in the background, so I can forgive it in a way I wouldn't do so with other works.
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>>144644227
He's gonna fuck up and rush it.
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From next week onwards Josuke will unleash his dormant Joseph, so hype.
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>>144644052
This
Iggy vs Pet shop is the most metal battle in all of shonen
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JoJo non-general threads are the best
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>>144644503
Hopefully not. I hear he only rushed the ending of SBR so that when JJL started the events of that Eartquake on March 11th of whatever year was still fresh in people's mind since it hit Sendai pretty bad and he made it the first big thing to happen in JJL.
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>>144644804
I get why he did it but rushing it was still a mistake.
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>>144644880
We better make sure nothing affects Sendai for the next 10 years then.

Even thought it felt rushed, I didn't think the ending of SBR was bad, I was very satisfied by it. It worked out in the end I think.
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>>144641524
Speedwgon literally carried the Joestars on his shoulders after Part 1. His vast resources have allowed them to thwart no less than 3 major threats to the world and a large number of psychopaths.
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>>144641035
>Rohan does almost nothing wrong
>gets cheated out of his money by Josuke
>gets bullied by Josuke
>deserves to have his housed burned down
You're a real asshole, Anon.
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>>144643220
That's part of what I mean, they're at least physically flawed, compared the the PERFECT HUMAN Joestars.
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>>144645269
kidnapping people and manipulating their minds to do his bidding, and then attempting to make josuke and okuyasu kill themselves when they try to stop it
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>>144640804
I would explore the bottom of the ocean with him if he asked.
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>>144645325
Not that guy but they were tresspasing. That said he could have just told koichi what was up instead of being a faggot about it.
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>>144645325
They trespassed in his house, he also just wanted to read them like books and steal pieces of their soul. It wasn't like he was actually doing anything wrong.
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>>144645533
>you trespassed into my house
>I'm going to trespass into your brain
they only trespassed because they were fans
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>>144635354
Just banter bro
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>>144636289
>implying Rohan wouldn't burn his house down again out of spite
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>>144645628
IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO

DUDE LOOK THERE'S A CAMERA
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>>144635531
Speedwagon tried to kill Johnathan
Caesar attacked Joseph when they met
Abdul attacked Jotaro when they met Kakyoin and Polnareff tried to kill him as Dio's Slaves.
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>>144645581
They wanted to come into his house so he should be allowed to come into their heads.
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>>144643672
"I HAVE TAKEN THE FIRST NAPKIN", "The shortest path was a detour" and "My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of justice" are the coolest fucking lines ever. Araki really knew what he was doing
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>>144645895
I agree. Rohan should be allowed to come into Koichi whenever he wants.
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>>144645846
One of, if not the first fight in part 5 was Giorno vs. Bruno with both threatening to kill each other

Gappy almost gets his teeth kicked in by Born This Way, but Kyou eventually reveals a key part of what he is
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>>144637689
>Season 1 was a masterpiece and now it's nothing but trash.

Let me explain why you're dumb.

>bad guys turn good for no reason

Speedwagon, Stroheim

>every episode is a filler "monster of the week" style with nothing at stake except for the last 2-3

Yeah, because Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency didn't have any fights that had nothing at stake. Like, say, Doobie, Wired Beck, Jack the Ripper, Donovan...

>fights against fucking rats, dogs and gorillas

It's almost like this is some kind of bizarre adventure. But I guess that is a bit too out there. Araki should go back to writing normal things, like vampires that suck blood with hair or Aztec stripper vampires that attack people with their veins.

>characters act like idiots all the time: strange things happen? don't even consider it could be a stand, fall into traps all the time and split for no reason other than to force 1v1 fights

Caesaaaaaar

>then in those fights they suddenly turn into tactical geniuses

You literally just described Part 2 Joseph.
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>>144645996
Brojos fight with their JoJos, that's how you know they are Brojos. Except for Hermes, really
>Speedweed tries to kill Jonathan
>Caesar attacked Joseph
>Kakyoing tried to kill Jotaro
>Okuyasu tried to kill Josuke
>Bruno tried to kill Giorno
>Hermes...yeah, she is cool
>Gyro bullied Johnny
>Joshuu bullies Josuke
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>>144643672
great pacing
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>>144639665
Padding is not the same as filler.

Anyway, if I would say that JJBA has any problem, it's that the incidental fights that occur generally have no long lasting bearing on whatever occurs in any given part.

I mean

>Part 1: Dio kills every important character, save for the one that Tarkus kills
>Part 2: Wham kills Caesar
>Part 3: DIO and Vanilla Ice are the only ones to kill people
>Part 4: Kira is the only one to kill anyone in the main group
>Part 5: Diavolo kills three of the main cast
>Part 6: Pucci kills basically everyone
>Part 7: Valentine kills basically everyone, with Blackmore and Diego killing one protagonist each

Makes it hard to see minor villains as threats when you know the good guys will survive those fights most of the time and not even have any debilitating injuries from them.
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>>144646196
This. Every minor fight ends the same way and the main cast characters that are going to die usually do so in the very last few chapters/episodes.
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>>144646196
I mean, yeah, it's a problem, but like, Wham was a "minor" villain, and Part 7 had a good amount of random characters kills. Also, Damo killed Kira, so it's another minor villain kill...but still, I get what you're saying, it's totally true
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Does anyone else think that the story is sort of told from a potentially biased perspective? That can change as time goes on?

Like, during the start of the SBR race, when Johnny touches Gyro's balls and starts going crazy trying to do it again, Gyro's response is very mocking, cold and intimidating, asking him if he wants to be kicked to death. But after the long journey where they got to know each other, when Valentine's just killed Gyro and it's his death-montage, it shows Gyro being upset and concerned when Johnny tried touching his balls, yelling at him to be careful.

I dunno, it seemed a cool idea to think that some things characters talk about in their backstories might have simply been their own takes on things, somewhat different from what actually happened.
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People only care about the memes, it's allowed to have bad writing.
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>>144646833
People care about more than just the memes. They also care about the homoerotic art
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>>144635354
you sound like a communist
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>>144635354
I can't remember if he says the same thing in the anime but I'm pretty sure in the manga Rohan says he admires Koichi or some shit.
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>>144646744
pretty much.johnny and gyro are no less terrorists than the guys they kill
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>>144647469
Who doesn't love Koichi in part 4
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>>144648030

I don't, he's a liar and a thief, no dignity.
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Now don't get me wrong, I like the later parts, but something about the charm and bizarreness of the beginning is lost as the manga goes on.

I still think Araki was at his best going full retard with Battle Tendancy.
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>>144648995
Uh-huh.
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>>144648995
But the part when Araki goes full retard is Stone Ocean
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>>144642716
It doesn't illiterate
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>>144648995
Battle Tendency (and Phantom Blood) were a bit too much like the other shounen fighters of that time with almost invincible MCs and end of the world style plots, they were entertaining (and bucked one of two of the established trends at the time) but wouldn't have kept the series alive much longer. I think Part 4 is the part which has the best balance of being charming and bizarre without going into Heavy Weather retardation territory (HW was a great fight but fucking snails man, I don't even). However Part 4 is the least 'adventurous' since it all happens in the same town, but I like that so whatever. Part 7 has the best balance of those three elements so far because Part 8 looks like it's all set in one place also.
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>>144635354
>opinion of secondaries
lol
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>>144650604
>Young Joseph
>Almost invisible
Fuck no, you must be thinking of Part 3
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>>144648995
But 5, 6 and 7 are by far the most insane parts
1 and 2 are pretty standard Shounen, though some of the GOAT shounen
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>>144651456
He dint say invisible he said invincible. And he is part right.
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