Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1612

>same OP image
weak

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xth for lewd

おそいぞ

Anyone got that FH progress chart that was posted here a while ago? Some anon said he's making bar charts with non spoiling milestones in them intended to let people gauge how far in they are and posted FH's as example

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>>144623304
Haven't worked on my chart program since I posted about it.

>>144623356
Thanks
What does the choice in Beach mean? I've had more than one so far. Is it some "You'll know which one it is once you get there" sorta deal?

>>144623523
It is, yeah, the importance of it is obvious from the options.

>>144622989
What VN is this and how much reading experience would I need to play through it?

does everyone still use Chiitrans or is VNR the recommended tool?

>>144623769
ITHVNR, not VNR.

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Now I only need to read them ;_;

>>144623356
Yui > Mayuri > Suzuno > Amane > Kururi > Sakurako

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>>144624196
Amane > Yui > Suzuno > Mayuri > Kururi > Sakurako

This is probably completely different than the rankings I posted right after finishing it.

>>144624375
Mayuri > Yui > Amane > Sakurako > Suzuno > kururi

>>144623725
>What VN is this
i couldnt find it but i doubt you want 256 bit VNs

>>144624375
Found my original rankings:
Yui > Suzuno > Amane > Mayuri > Sakurako > Kururi

I really don't remember Yui being #1.

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おはようおにいちゃん

やきとーもころしたべたい

いっしょにたべよ

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>>144624631
>I really don't remember Yui being #1.
Well I think past you who had just finished reading the VN knows who is best girl a lot better than current you does.

>>144624895
Now that time has passed, I remember Amane so much better than anyone else. Probably because she was my first.

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>>144624819
>やきとーもころした

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？？？？

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>>144624819
いいアイデア
>>144625009

>>144625043
stop misspelling it its fucking とうもろこし

>>144625015
Right is right
Left is wrong
Left is used in display fonts because it contains less visual noise
If you handwrite like the left and you're not doing calligraphy or art you're doing it wrong

>>144625200
Ty, I am one of the obsessive kanji handwriters.

>>144625227
Buy a JIS-2004 (important!) 教科書体 font like http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/detail.aspx?bid=15427 for handwriting reference if you're serious about being an obsessive handwriter

And if you really do buy a 教科書体 font please share it with us I can't find one anywhere not even illegally

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The other thread 404'd before I could reply

>>144618485
Of course they are. In every possible way.
Babies don't have to work, study, clean the house or anything like that. That's why they can put all their time and effort into learning a language and that's why they do it well. Plus, like I said, they don't waste their time overthinking - or thinking, at all - about how they should do it or if they're doing it right; they just do it.

>>144623809
any reason why specifically?
I downloaded it and it seems more suited to reading VNs with a machine translation rather than letting me instantly check definitions of words I don't know

I also just tried VNR and was pretty disappointed, it's slow and the UI is trash

>100 cards done today after my anki file corrupted and I started from 0
Fun.

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>comprehensible input
>motivation
>self-confidence
>anxiety

>VNs
>read things you like
>feel free to ask questions
>relax

I know this is barely the tip of the iceberg but this really helped to shed some light on the subject for me. Thanks linguistics anon.

>くるりちゃんは最悪の女の子
マジに自殺の方がいいんだろう

>>144625470
???
why don't you have a backup?

>>144625406
Just use rikai for translations

>>144625406
Built-in parsers are bad. Parsers make mistakes constantly because grammar is not trivially parsable, and even when the parser is not making mistakes, you're still harming your ability to acquire new structures of japanese because parsers break holes in your brain's preexisting systems for recognize things when you read writing. Those mental systems have to be trained by recognizing things yourself and parsers are basically only useful to people who literally don't know anything about the language at all, like they've studied for less than a week. If you've studied for less than a week, you shouldn't be trying to read VNs.

If you use a texthooker you need to set up a mouseover dictionary program with it. Mouseover dictionaries are better than parsers because parsers make mistakes The most commonly recommended way to do it is to have a clipboard grabbing addon with rikaisama on firefox, even if you don't use firefox, because rikaisama is just that good. There is a step-by-step guide to setting that up. But you don't have to do this if you can find an alternative mouseover dictionary that you like.

ITHVNR uses a more up-to-date ITH core than Chiitrans. It's capable of hooking more games with fewer problems.

>>144625550
You're welcome.

>>144625550
Who are you quoting?

>>144625663
He's quoting the guy in the picture and he's quoting us, silly.

>>144625675
He said linguistics anon so I thought there was some interesting post on the matter recently that I missed

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>>144625637
>for recognize
for recognizing*

Good night.

What do you do when there are words you can't get into your head?
I got like 30 words I can't get memorized for the life of me, I get them right once and forget them until they show up again.

I guess I'll try to put them in a extra deck for special studying or something.

>>144625704
nah someone just told him to look up krashen and watch youtube videos of him talking about language learning

>>144625759
You suspend them and do them outside of anki. Your brain is refusing to learn them because you burned them out so hard. You basically can't recognize them inside of SRS now. You need to make up for that burn-out with brute force exposure instead of more brute force recognition that won't work.

>mine words while reading
>60% of mined words almost never shows up again

>>144626053
>implying im not too retarded to save gifs properly

>>144625608
それは言い過ぎだよ
俺はくるりちゃん好きだけど、嫌いになる理由はあるだろう
彼女は主人公のとが大嫌いだって言ったじゃないか
マジ悲しかった

>>144624544
Unfortunately I don't get to decide what the dick wants to read. Oh well, thanks for the effort anyway!

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>>144626087

>>144625759
Handwritten practice.
Your brain will be trained to fuck them up in Anki.

>>144626240
Overcomplicating the issue.
People should read whatever interests them.

>>144626285
Good thing this chart is for people that don't know what they're interested in.

>>144626318
They can't learn Japanese.

Imagine a Japanese person coming up to you, you slip a word or two and they ask you if you actually speak Japanese.

In English you've got the "just a few words", but I feel like that's a cultural thing.
What's the Japanese equivalent?

>>144626326
Of course not. Nobody can truly learn japanese.

>>144626329
anata chotto kawaii yo
isshou ni fakku shimashou ne

>>144626329
ただ少しだけど出来よう or something

don't quote me on that that's just what I would say as a fellow shitter that can only speak a few words of japanese

>>144626329
いえ、にほんごがしゃべりません

because mine is truly shit.
が because it's a question or を because しゃべる is an action?

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I don't quite get what he's saying.

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ぐろーりーほーるってなに？

>また、Twitterの@iPokemonGOアカウントはシアトルのClub Zにポケストップを発見しました。このクラブはオールナイトで楽しめて、中が鏡に覆われた迷路状になっているグローリーホール（Glory Holeで検索しないように）で有名だそうです。ポケストップとは色々なアイテムを入手できるスポットですが、この店に入るとどんなアイテムが手に入るのか…。

>>144626437
I'm being honest here.

Anonymous penis-sucking hole.

Really.

>>144626363
wew lad

>>144626387
I was thinking of ただ少しだけど as well, but even that seems too much for someone who can't even structure a proper sentence yet.
Kind of like how "just a few words" seems more humble than "a little bit".

>>144626391
Well the "no, not at all" approach is one way, but that's just plain not true if you're saying it in said language.
This is why I thought it was a difficult case.

>>144626397
hmm but i thought an elephant was [here, there]
いた　－＞いる
はず
probably wrong tho i read that awhile ago

>>144626507
Is being pure part of imouto's RP or is it true ignorance?

Who really is imouto?

>>144626437
>ぐろーりーほーる
>not グローリーホール

>>144626564
そう as in elephant. I fucked up with Katakana. I thought it was "Zoo". Thanks!

>>144626811
fucked me up to since i rarely see ぞ in kata either

>>144626329
「いや、実に話すのはまだできません」?
「少々言葉を知るけどよく話せません」?

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Do you think it makes sense to do a Kanji deck on top of the vocab deck?

I think it could help understanding the meaning of words built using them or not?

Also even if I don't know a word when reading something, I could look it up pretty easy if I know how to write the kanji.

>>144625803
>>144626173
Thank you, I suspended them but I don't know how to get them in my custom study session now.
Can you tell me how to add them?

Sorry for being stupid, I just can't into anki.

>>144627225
Click on your deck
Click browse which is on the top center next to "decks" and "add"
In the window that pops up, to the left are a bunch of different categories
Suspended cards should show up under the suspended category

Now, you take those words and do study outside of anki. Stop looking at their flashcards.
Write them out, find phrases that use it, clarify doubts with /djt/ or just brute force memorise it.

Cards get suspended because Anki clearly isn't helping you so you have to help yourself.

>>144625759
When it's a compound I look up different words that use the same kanji so I get a better feeling for their nuance

>>144626811
>>144626937
Is there any reason why「ぞう」is in katakana instead of hiragana here?

>>144627556
That's how it works with animal names

You will see it written as 象 in harder material, for example a book marketed at seinen

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>>144627556
ぞうはひらがなだよ

きりんとかくまもね

でも、ライオンはカタカナだよ

うしろに「さん」をつけられるどうぶつは、ひらがなじゃないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>144627674
>>144626397
>「ゾウ」

>>144626606
Middle aged Korean man

>>144626437
トイレの仕切りで、ペニスを挿入するための穴だよ

>>144627647
So should I expect to see「イヌ」and「ネコ」in material of this level too?

>>144627674
Yeah sorry I should've typed「ゾウ」like >>144627696 did.

>>144627789
I misread your post

If memory serves me well, the animal names would be in hiragana as imouto 氏 points out in this post >>144627674. The words for dog and cat can be in either hiragana or katakana, but the corresponding kanji is really easy so that'll be used most of the time, in contrast to something like 麒麟.

The hiragana form is used more commonly over katakana, but in this case, Koiwai's speech bubble is probably using the katakana form because he's putting emphasis on the word/pronouncing it in some weird way. As for which of these it is, I'm afraid I don't remember because it's been almost a year since I read that chapter.

>>144627865
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you both. Hopefully I'll still remember this by the time I get to the chapter.

Also, could you tell me if I am correct in understanding that when「さん」is added after a name, imouto thinks that the katakana form would be used instead of the hiragana form? I feel as though there's a typo in the last line, but then again my nip is とても下手.

>>144628007
Lol I'm not too sure what imouto is saying either. From my experience though both hiragana and katakana can be used with さん. I can't tell you whether there's any nuance to it or not, because that's a production problem and I do not bother with (read: am terrible at) production.

>>144628007
>imouto thinks that the katakana form would be used instead of the hiragana form?
No he means that 猫さん is more common than ねこさん

>>144628225
コレを消せ

Is Mandarin much harder than Japanese?

>>144628225
is this goddamn scene going to air anytime soon?

>>144628290
Mandarin is easier than Japanese.

>>144628290
yes because all the good content ie kung fu hustle is in cantonese

>>144628313
There are mandarin dubs for all good hk movies

>>144628518
that's just as bad as listening to Vietnamese-dubbed K-dramas I believe

>>144628581
french dubbed bollywood?

>>144628581
They aren't nearly that bad

And even if you dont know cantonese if you learn to read you can follow along with the subs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2c6QB7-vqY

>>144628667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asuydJPL-Xo

maybe this is a better example

>>144628692
やっべー

>>144628686
the first one from this video is surprisingly good

>>144628692
>the daughter of my younger sister
>my cousin
nips pls

>>144628692
>私の母の妹の、娘、
>The daughter of my younger sister, my cousin

Sugoi translation.

>>144628776
the translation is wrong

>>144628806
It's only missing the word mother.

The daughter of my mother's younger sister, my cousin

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>>144628692
>>144628741
えいごぜんぜんできないあたしからみても

ひっどーい

>>144628829
「まずい」は「ひどい」より適当では？

>>144628825
No they fucked up mother entirely somehow

do you even need to say 私 with 母, i thought 母 like 父 was 'speakers' anyway

>>144628829
I can't into grammar. Is the implied subject here you or the person who wrote the translation?

>>144628895
It's intentionally unnatural
>my mother's sister's... [uh] my cousin, basically, [...]
The speaker was thinking out loud

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Can somebody translate this? I love drunk boatsltus.

>>144628936
How much are you paying for the translation?

>>144628952
My eternal love and warm butthole.

>>144628936
Why are there so many pervy images of me?!
I have never even held hands with a boy before!

It's probably because you usually say sexy things like "panpakapaan".

That's not a pervy thing to say!!

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>>144628849
まずいもつかうかも

あたしのちいきではあんまりつかわないかな

>>144629163
そう

>>144629148
Thank you anon. my butthole is yours.

>>144629259
お言葉に甘えていただきますよ

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>>144629259
>>144629305

http://ran.2hu.moe/rjjjyq.webm

What is she saying?

>>144628909
「「えいごぜんぜんできない」のあたし」

Is VH a good starter game to practice reading.

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肩車
>shoulders car

>>144629393
>piggyback ride

>>144629408
well you have a point..spose..

>>144629393
You cannot learn Japanese.

>>144629326
ナンパってのはね
町中とかお店とかで男が知らない女の子に声をかけて遊びましょうって誘うことなの
____時に笑顔や明るいキャラクターアをピールすること　
んで相手がのってくれたらお茶でも何でも相手が好きなところに連れてってあげるわけ
サービスを欠かさない、話題を絶やさない
今時の女の子は喜びそうな話題を振って振って振りまくって
さらに適当なお世辞を連発すること
もちろん勘定は全部奢り
要は_____すればいいわけよ
わかった？！これがナンパなの

can't figure out the blank parts

>>144629376
Good study material: compelling content in Japanese you will play lots because of how fun it is
Bad study material: boring shit you have to force yourself through

>>144630070
I find good shit can be boring if you can't understand a certain amount.
Back to Anki I go.

does anyone know a good anki deck which shows you the kanji and you have to know the meaning, I find it harder to remember the kanji meanings, when learning it the other way around

What do you guys think the maximum number of words one can learn a day is, while going through the 6k core? I'm trying to memorize 50 words a day, until I start reading native material.
Speaking of which, should I start reading and mining as soon as I'm through with Tae Kim?

>>144630247
6,000

>>144630247
the number at which your reviews per day does not steadily increase beyond a manageable amount

for me that number is ~35 but the words I mine are generally more difficult than core, and I try not to spend more than an hour on anki

>>144630237
You can just read the manual and adjust the cards.

>>144629393
鼻歌
>nose song

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>>144630512

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>>144629393
>猫車

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This is a japanese giraffe

>>144622343
Is this written backwards or something?

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>>144630602
now that just makes sense

>>144630622
It's 芋踈字

>>144630719
違う

>>144626329
「あぁ、日本語分かりますか？」
「いいえ、少しだけ」

>>144626329
"Nihao"

>>144630795
>少しだけ
perfect

>>144630052
i tried slowing it down in audacity
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1vG0h4I8dP2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vZ0NhgY58

Is this good listening practice?

How do you keep the motivation to learn Japanese? I want to because it'll allow me appreciate more media and while I want to learn one there aren't really any other languages that interest me but it's such a monumental task

>>144631281
By being an ultra weeb

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>>144630795
>>144630844
>少しだけ

Ｎ２合格くらいできるよって言ってる感じだよ

>>144631281
Haven't thought for a long time now about stoping to learn. I guess at some point stoping is no longer an option

>>144631281
>>144631322
^ this is what keeps me going

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>>144631377
>77

>>144630052
ぱちぱちぱちぱち

>>144631239
Yes, it's perfect.

>躊躇
fucking chinese

>>144631239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFHs1fOyVfA

お前これを理解するべきだよ。

>>144631239
A legjobb.

>>144631448
>躊躇い
fucking japs

>>144631448
See this shit is actually easy to remember, just think that two clusterfuck kanjis in a row, both having the radical 足 to the left, is 躊躇

Just like a clusterfuck with two 虫 is 蜘蛛

>>144631677
>being a kanji cuck
I can memorize them without cheating or any dirty tricks thank you very much.

>>144631716
good for you

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>>144631716

>>144631729
>>144631745
Dekinais jealous of my skills lmaoing at your lives right now tbqh

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T-Thanks rtk

>>144631677
躑躅「」
蚯蚓「」

Any of you faggots still using HelloTalk?

>>144632163
I want to get back into it but I can't bring myself to do it

>>144632150
You can go ahead and delete this card. I've never seen this

>>144632150
I defend mnemonics as a learning tool but whenever I read one I feel like it's the stupidest shit I've ever seen

>>144632212
Yeah I did, there are a few in that deck that I just went ahead and deleted

>>144632212
It's used in names.

>宏い
Is there a difference in nuance or is it just 舊字體?

>>144632161
Chances are I'll never ever see those words in the wild so I don't care

>>144632319
if you're at a level where the answer matters at all you should be able to use japanese google

>>144632347
I've seen 蚯蚓 a few times in its kanji form I believe

>>144632347
Not him, but I just saw yesterday 蚯蚓 in a Manga. I'm not even shitposting. It was in Kana though
>>144632357
According to google it's an outdated version. But I was hoping some anon or Imouto would still know a difference in nuance.

>>144632347
>I'll never see those words in the wild
>the wild
>躑躅
>蚯蚓
Oh the irony

Thanks for the chuckle anon

>>144632295
doesnt change the fact that it isn't worth learning

>>144632465
irony is unexpected
缶 is ironic

I think it would be ironic if everyone were made of iron

>>144632188
Why? What's your experience with it?
I'm thinking of starting using it but I only want to use it for practice.

>>144632547
Irony is something that shouldn't be happening, happening.

A pest exterminator who shouldn't have a pest infection, having a pest infection, is ironic.
A bottle of drink with a label "Do not drink" on it that shouldn't be drunk, being empty, is ironic.
A anon name calling anon is a ESL, which shouldn't be making mistakes, is very kinda ironic.
Earthworms and azaleas which shouldn't be encountered anywhere other than the wild, being said that they will never be seen in the wild, is ironic.
Of course, I'm aware he's referring to the kanji but generalising and twisting words is all part of humour.

>缶 is ironic
Explain further.

>>144632775
It's pretty useful, it's really easy to think of shit to talk about on there because it's just generic normie chat shit, and no one really expects anything amazing out of you

It has a fuck ton of users too, the whole time I was using it I didn't add a single person but I got like 30 random jap highschool girls adding me, didn't even have a profile description or anything

I stopped using it because I just got bored of talking about random pointless normie shit, but it is definitely worth getting in to, especially if you can find people to actually talk about shit you like with

Are there any better textbooks for beginners then the genki series?
I've read the djt guide but just wanted to hear if its still what most people would most highly recommend before I go and spend real money.

>>144633245
Japanese the Manga Way is better in my opinion but I don't know if you'd class it as a textbook since it doesn't have like exercises n shit in

>>144633153
Thanks for the input.
I don't have a social network account and don't really like to talk with people outside of imageboards (and haven't had normalfag smalltalk in a long time) so I'm afraid I'll end up the same as you.
Since you still think it's worth getting into, I'll try it out.

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>>144632880
>Irony is something that shouldn't be happening, happening.
news to me

theres tragic irony too, like a man drowning in 1985 at party for lifeguards celebrating their first drowning-free swimming season
comedic like strangelove saying, 'You can’t fight in here! This is the war Room!'

Sorry for a question that I'm sure gets asked a lot, but I just finished hiragana and katakana, and I'm not sure where to go from here. The guide says I can spend 3 months learning all the kanji without learning any actual words, or get started with the Core 2K deck and just learn kanji as I build a vocabulary. Is there a consensus to which one is better, or are they really both fine? I'm leaning towards isolated kanji study because I feel like I won't be able to pick up on kanji when learning vocabulary, but I'm afraid I'll be a shell of my former self after learning 2000 kanji and then having no vocabulary, and having to start the whole learning process over.

>>144633482
Yeah core is unarguably better, lone kanji study is useless. Also start Tae Kim at the same time.

>>144633482
Core first. Kanji study is useful for identifying radicals since some characters will be near indistinguishable for you.

>>144633482
As someone who's done kanji study, I don't know if I could recommend anyone do it right after learning kana, while it does have benefits it's kind of pointless that early on

What I'd recommend to you is focusing like 80% on grammar while casually doing the core deck in anki on the side, since grammar is the biggest hurdle and most important step for a beginner, you can also maybe do a radical deck since that's kind of like kanji study but on a waaaay smaller scale, and is actually 100% useful

After you've got a good understanding of the language, and maybe have read some easy shit a bit (probably not anytime soon), if you still feel like kanji in vocabulary is giving you trouble, then you can maybe think about doing kanji study

Can we just fuck off with the google docs and use html?

>>144633245
>paying to learn japanese
Just learn by watching anime

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>>144633762
>Just learn by watching anime

I would beat the shit out of ayone with the same hair style as the wite t showt guy.

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>>144634024
>shittalking the /djt/ anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>144634334
>/djt/ anthem

Fuck that

I'd rather have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

>>144633482
Get a grammar guide of your choice.
You need to learn conjugations, what particles are and such, and don't feel intimidated because the content is pretty short and easy (I'm telling you not to spend months in it).

After that you should be able to read simpler stuff (easily read textbook) and you can pick up colloquial speech with mangos/novels.

Vocabulary will come eventually as you read, and that includes kanji too.

>>144634428
This is beautiful.

>>144633886
It works, there are multiple people in these threads who learnt by watching anime

>>144634428
How the fuck has this not been posted here before

>>144634991
It was a couple weeks ago or so, that's how I heard it

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Am I missing something or are the radicals for "strike/whip" and "winter" literally the same fucking shape done with a different number of strokes?

>>144635464
Are ケ and ク the same katakana?

>>144635464
I was doing kanji study for like a solid month before I realised those were different

Holy fuck please tell me why anyone bothers with radicals?
Please try to help me to understand how that shit is supposed to help me learn kanji?

Do people actually look at kanji and think like woman + water = some bullshit?
It seems to be too much of a bother to be helpful, especially since some of them have 5+ alternative forms.

Also it's not like the radicals they used to build some kanji even make sense.

>>144635648
I think you must be doing it wrong

>5+ alternative forms
What? It's pretty rare for kanji to have alternate forms

>Also it's not like the radicals they used to build some kanji even make sense.
They're not supposed to make sense on their own, that's what mnemonics are for

あなたは大きな男です

>>144635648
I can't speak for anyone else, but they've been a great help for me when looking up unfamiliar characters as I read books or play (non-VN) games. Knowing them also gives you an idea of what a kanji's onyomi might be as well as a clue to the meaning, but as you said yourself it works in far less than all cases.

>>144635903
君のために

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>>144635903
>>144636000

>>144635648
It's a lot easier to memorize and/or reproduce a given word when you know the alphabet, so it makes sense that a kanji should be easier to memorize and rewrite when you can separate and identify all the little symbols which make it up.
Also I understand the radicals have something to do with the way dictionaries work, which might be handy. In any case there aren't that many of them so I thought I might as well give it a try, and it's actually kind of interesting as well.

>>144635648
Mmmm?
How do you write kanji if you don't know the radicals?

It would be a bitch to have to memorise every new kanji as one by itself.
Rather, you just need to remember a couple hundred bits that repeat themselves throughout i.e radicals.

Though the key bit is really searching unknown words in the dictionary. Recognising radicals to look up in the dictionary is a godsend.

How on earth have you been doing your studies?

>>144636422
Not the retard you're responding to but
>Mmmm?
Seriously?

>>144635648
Radicals helped me immensely when writing kanji, which in turn helped me immensely when it came to memorizing them.
They're literally the lego blocks of kanji, once you're familiar with them, you won't have trouble writing any kanji.

>>144636451
んんんん?*

>>144635648
>Holy fuck please tell me why anyone bothers with radicals?
it brings order to the chaos of a difficult language by creating an analogue with the english alphabet

>Do people actually look at kanji and think like woman + water = some bullshit?
no one past an intermediate level

>春原の奴

I'm very confused about how 奴 works here...

>>144636829
Like "This John guy", just a gruff way of referring to 春原.

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>>144637023

Ahhhh thanks anon. Have a tomato.

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>>144637139
なんで

>>144637252
お見事です

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Daily reminder that it's only when you think you're passed mount stupid that you're truly on it.

>>144637601
Isn't 10k pretty much fluent?

>>144637601
your post makes no sense with a labeled axis

Eight months of anki and i can play my chinese vidya relatively easily.

Noice.
Still though, my grammary is shit. Only read through tae kim's guide once, probably because of that, but i can't find the motivation to read it, tasukete onegai www

>>144637681
Sarcasm I'm guessing? If not:

According to 図説日本語 published by the National Institute for Japanese Language and Linguistics the average Japanese native high school student knows between 40,000 & 45,000 vocabulary.

10,000 is forever intermediate polyglot-level fluency.

>>144637681
It sure is
If you just add another 30k to it

>>144637791
Heh, 40k is what, four years of daily reading ?
Easy, as long as all the media you consume is in nipspeak.

>>144637742
who is onegai?

>>144637904
He probably made a typo and is asking one gay to help him for a blowjob.

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>>144637904
>>144637984
No bully senpaitachi.

do any of you know where i can get japanese ebooks for free? i'm broke, if any of you try to tell me to pay for them, i'd love to otherwise. they're of books i actually own, though it would be a lot easier to copy and paste the words into my jisho, it would save a lot of time

>>144638048
no you piece of shit

called the police

>>144637893
Easy, as long as you've never attempted a long term goal and don't know how difficult it can be to do something longer than a few weeks consistently.

I've been learning Japanese for 4 years and I read and listen every day still and I'm still learning, still not happy with my level.

It might seem from a beginner perspective that maybe I'm just a slow exception or something, but in reality I've been consistent since the beginning and it actually just takes much longer than most people think to become fluent.

Here is an example of something that you could easily understand in English, but is really difficult to understand completely in a foreign language:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HghXOY3Y5QA

If you cannot understand something like that I would not consider you to be fluent.

>>144638197
Do you still do anki? If so how many words you got?

>>144638197
Well, english isn't my native tongue and that was my experience with it so...
I mean, 8 months of study and i wasn't as advanced ( couldn't play my vidya in english without going through a dictionnary every other sentence ).

Then again, i didn't had anki as a crutch, so i'm probably optimistic yeah. Anki is really awesome to force you to do it everyday, which is the most important aspect of language learning ( i.e. exploiting transfer to long-term memory during sleep which obviously can't be binged once but need to happen daily ).

Shit, i need a similar program for the grammar guide. A program forcing you to read a book everyday should already exist, right ?

>>144638197
>If you cannot understand something like that I would not consider you to be fluent.

Well, I tried listening to the first 10 minutes and I can so far. I'll listen further. To be honest it's pretty annoying how the music keeps going up and down, it makes it harder to focus on the guy speaking.

>>144638767
The first 10 minutes is just some guy talking before it show actually starts, I was referring to the actual news part of the show.

>>144638842
The news starts at 13:20

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>>144638842
Yeah, this is easier to listen to.

>Haven't looked at anki stats for 5 days

Feelin good

Wait a second
What happened to weekend anki guy

Did I miss my weekly dose?

>>144638197
>If you cannot understand something like that I would not consider you to be fluent.
there's only one test for "fluency" and it involves a microphone

http://vocaroo.com

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>>144638842
>ignoring the Anki question

>>144639572
He gave up on Japanese
The weekend anki was too much

>>144639687
確かにあの人が口にするｆｌｕｅｎｃｙは聴解の問題ではなく、流暢に、換言すればぺらぺら話せるか否かの問題です。これはありがちなと言えるほどしばしばあるミスです。

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>>144639794
I don't use Anki that much anymore, but here you go.

>>144637893
>Heh, 40k is what, four years of daily reading ?


Hell no, I've read daily for 4 years and I'd estimate my vocab to maybe 10k. 40k would take exponentially longer, so pretty much AT LEAST a decade of not only reading, but living in Japan and actively interacting with as much Japanese as you can.

Or amphetamines and 8 hours of anki a day

>>144640139
I think you're lying about one thing or another. Either you have way more than 10k or you didn't read (for very long) every day for 4 years.

>>144640139
4 years and I'd estimate my vocab to maybe 10k

That's pretty fucking slow bro, I've been reading for a year and I've got 10k just in my mining deck, not including core2k

I have been a neet the entire time though, but I've never done more than an hour of anki a day

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>>144640139
>10k in 4 years

You fucked up.

>>144640237
Well I have no way of knowing exactly how much vocab I have. But I have read around 4 years. Maybe just 3, don't remember exactly when I started. For an average of maybe 45 minutes a day.

>>144640139
1 year of Anki alone gives you a vocab of 7500~ by doing a mere 20 cards a day. This doesn't even include words you'd get from reading.

Does anyone work on speaking Japanese in these threads or is it all reading/listening comprehension?

I finally got to the level where I can read shitty moege, but formulating complete thoughts in Japanese is impossible.

>>144640518
Interacting with other human beings is overrated

Not the guy from the other day but I decided to watch the first episode of One Piece for fun just to see how much I would understand (I'm a beginner). Right away I heard this blur of words that didn't make much sense.

https://youtu.be/8mgdyZQ_wzA?t=7

Is this 「彼の死にはに放った一言は」, or am I mishearing it? What does the 死にはに part mean?

>>144640622
>Tfw can't understand shit

Guess I'll just be reading manga and LNs forever

>>144640622

Never mind. Googled it in Japanese, should have done that in the first place. It was actually 死に際 which makes total sense. Fucking japs, pronounce your G's harder, I don't want this 鼻濁音 crap.

>>144640518
Reading comes before writing comes before speaking.
Keep at it, and get yourself a japanese acquaintance ( was about to type friend but let's not kid ourselves ) to practice each day if you really want to accelerate the processus.

>>144638197
You've said before here and on Wizardchan that you can read anything you want and only your listening is not fluent so this post seems misleadingly gloomy.

>>144639967
ただのミスじゃねーよどんだけ人がいいんだよ
どう見てもアレは自己満足だろ
最高峰にした標準に自分が当てはまるためにその標準自体をわざと曲解しているだけ

会話力も問わない「流暢テスト」とかふざけてるのかと毎回思う

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>俺の grammar still a shit
>too bothered to read tk guide again
>"""""keep reading"""""
>still in beginner level grammar
Im at the point where some grammar rules just doesnt register. Most times i just look at the words, try to guess what it said without fully comprehending it and move on.

>>144640968
>not wanting to demotivate newbies to make yourself feel better

>>144640925
頑張ります。

>>144641020
Write one sentence using the grammar you can't into each day.
A short sentence, and only once per day.
Even if you're the niggest nigger, it should enter your thick skull in less than five decades.

>「それ」はきっと　もう二度と　戻らないだろう
The use of both きっと and だろう confuses me. Does it mean something like "I wonder if I'll never be able to go back"? Even I'm not sure about the context behind it.

Online tests say I know about 25,000 english words, wikipedia implies most people have around 17,000. How the fuck do the japs get up to 40,000? Is their vocabulary really that much bigger?

>>144641267
probably has something to do with how 思わず and 思う are counted as two different words

>>144641267
It's because a lot of these "studies" count conjugations are new words

>>144641267
You have to depict the many intricate consistancies and textures of 〇学生 pantsu somehow

>>144641319
*as new words

>>144641356
If i was a cute loli, i'd send you my used panties.

>>144641218
It's just im too lazy to look up grammar rules in the dojg. FUCK IT!!

できるよ!

>>144638586
all i did was whenever i found a grammar rule in something i was reading that i didn't remember, i would open the grammar guide and re-read that. if you do it enough times, you'll remember the rule instead of having to look it up. other than that, just use different studying techniques to master grammar rules, like one thing i did was write down every single use of the te-form, or every single use of verb stems, or make a verb flowchart.

>>144641315
They're not considered different words. It's a conjugation. It has to do with jukugo.

You guys talk like little fucking anime characters like little babies

That shit is not cute whether you're doing it ironically or not. Last time I use you retarded fucks as a source.

>>144641319
No they don't. Nobody considers conjugations as new words. You're just underestimating vocab.

>>144641583
サーセンｗｗｗ

>>144641572
pretty sure I said "counted" and not "considered"

unless you don't consider those two different words

>>144641220
I'm not sure how to translate it to be honest, I think it's just a strong belief, but still just a guess.

諸行無常

>>144641460
い、いやらしいよぉ

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>>144641676
I mistyped my post. I meant to say they are not counted as different words.

You would be surprised how often simple concepts are expressed using multiple words in English, compared to Japanese where they just have a single word for it. Take a word like 木漏れ日. Common concept, everyone knows what it is, yet there's no word for it in English.

That is the reason there is more words in Japanese than English, it has nothing to do with "counting conjugations".

Today I did Anki for 24 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 58 minutes.

>>144642138
Should've read an anki novel for 58 hours and 2 minutes.

>>144641218
Im going to use this advice, i like it.

>>144641868
思わず is definitely counted as a separate word (for reasons I don't understand) but I agree with your claim

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/33568/meaning/m0u/

>>144642389
There are only a handful of conjugations like that that may count though, 食べず wouldn't be considered a separate word for example.

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I like these guys.

>>144641220
I think [that] will never come back again

>>144642579
Easily a context could exist where それ would mean "I", as in the speaker.

>>144642626
There could easily exist a context where それ would mean "your mother"

>>144642769
This response isn't nearly as witty as you think.

>>144642799
But did she come back?

>>144642626
Then you just replace that with I

>>144642626
..I can't think of one

「本当に楽しかったんじゃありませんか？　一季さんが気づいてるのに白々しく気づかないふりをするので、　ハッキリ言いますけど面白いって、死ぬって、ことですよね」

「いや、意味わかんねーし、　白々しく気づかないふりもしてねーよ」

「公園の遊具を見たって、すべり台なんて飛び降り、　ジャングルジムは滑り落ち、ブランコは平衡感覚の喪失、　全て死のシミュレーションじゃないですか」

「そういう一面はあるだろうけどさ、　全てって言うのはおかしいだろ？」

「それじゃ、死、をこじつけることが不可能な遊びって、　何かありますかね？」

「こじつけって言っちゃってるじゃん。　そりゃ、こじつけたらなんだってこじつけられるじゃん！」

くくくっ、とらしくない笑い方をしてから、

「そうですよね。　死にこじつけられないことなんか、　何もありませんよね？」

「……俺に何を言いたいんだ？」

「それは、一季さん自身に考えてもらわないと、　意味がありませんから。　今日のことはみなさんには秘密でお願いしますね」

"よそさまで" what does this mean?

よそさまで、人型ペットを飼ってる家にお邪魔したりもするんだが

>>144645161
余所・さ(i.e. 大きな -> 大きさ)・まで

>>144645450
Ah thanks, I figured it could be that but for some reason I thought さ only went with I adjectives

>>144645499
Normally it does but language isn't normalized

>>144641020
Why don't you like grammar guys? It's so satisfying learning new grammar. Everytime I do I feel like I just found a Rare Candy for my Japanese

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>>144646070

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>open a nice cold can of beer
>realize I still haven't done all my reps

FUCK

why must retention poison taste so good?

>>144646586
>Beer

Please don't associate akarin with such shit taste

>>144646712
>eating feces
>see someone else eating their feces in the wrong manner
>return to my own feces with a smug chuckle

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A couple days ago 風よけ came up in my mining deck, and I thought I would probably never come up again. Then today I saw this. This is why I mine pretty much every word I don't know because I cannot judge which words are worth learning.

>deck reset literally in less than three hours
>only halfway done
youtube.com/watch?v=1EBw_da7BZk

>>144647664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

Anyone know where a good place to order physical manga is?

I've tried Amazon Japan a few times, but every time I end up getting charged like $20 at the door during delivery.

>>144648044
https://www.nyaa.se/

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=printer

>>144648044
Are you Canadian? It seems like I've heard something like that before.

>>144648357
I am Canadian yes, is this some issue with Amazon being a dick to Canadians or something?

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>>144647741
Rude. I'm almost done.
Yet i just posted that i'm almost done instead of continuing.

Maybe that wasn't rude after all.

Why did Japan not invent spaces?

朦朧

Is this a rare word?

What does /djt/ think about japaneseclass.jp?

>>144648752
Spaces are the work of the evil jews

>>144648792
Not particularily

Rikaisama puts it as the 11960th most used word

>>144648402
From what I remember, I think it is the delivery service being a dick to Canadians. Amazon already charges shipping fees, so why would they ask for more at the door?

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>>144641851
夏凜ちゃん最強

>>144648828
djt here, i'll get back to you later

>>144647538
Didn't you know 風 and 避け beforehand or couldn't you make the connection?

>>144648971
Thanks senpai.

>>144648899
Where does one check this?

>>144649017
Install rikaisama and enable frequency information in the settings

>>144648044
honto.jp

>>144648828
I'm a sucker for exp and levels and all that shit so I'd probably love it, I've been reading for long enough that there's not much point in checking those sites out now though

>>144648973
I didn't know 避け, and even if I did the word has よ instead of the kanji, so I probably wouldn't have made the connection anyway.

>>144648828
Seems easy, but going back to the fundamental can't hurt.
More practice is better than masturbating.

Unless you masturbate by reading raw doujins, then masturbating is better.

>>144633245
>>144633762
>>144633886
the best way to learn a language is to talk to people (in our case, real nips) in said language; not that i'll ever do it myself. stop arguing over these pointless things like a bunch of autists.

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>>144649503
>Talking to people

>>144635464
in the first one the second stroke extends past the starting point for the third stroke. in the second one the second stroke is just the standard "hook stroke" that doesn't require two separate strokes.

>>144649503
Eroge is supposed to be played by nips who have no one to talk to, so it comes pretty close.

>>144649272
You would have after looking up 風よけ the first time you read it and the second time you would already recognize it

But if you don't know 避け nevermind

Anyone know of good VNs with sprites animated as well Twinkle Festival?

aside from nekos and trainlolis

>>144649503
Thanks k*mi-sama ( heiwa be upon him ) it's not the only way, or no one here could learn it.

>>144649759
Higurashi

>誰得　
neat word

>>144649503
Yeah great idea. Lets tell all the beginners to go talk to nips instead of doing basic grammar or a core deck

>>144641020
here's how I learn to grammar:

1. read japanese at my level
2. find grammar i don't understand
3. google it

if googling the grammar point itself doesn't work I search actual japanese sites for other sentences using it in a context i understand.

this has worked for 90% of the grammar i've come across. everything else is probably very dialectal or colloquial speech equivalent to weird niggerspeak in English.

>>144633245
Genki is good although I'd recommend also picking up Japanese The Manga Way with it (it's pretty cheap anyway, like $20 so it wont add that much to your costs if you're buying Genki anyway).

Alternatively you could use Tae Kim instead of JTMW, as they cover much the same ground, but I've always felt like TK is not actually that good. The only reason people like it is because it's free.

>>144650360
>The only reason people like it is because it's free

And short

I mean, everything's free on the internet

>>144650145
Higurashi doesn't have animated sprites
I mean stuff like this (nsfw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ayf1-AGmA8

>>144650360
>The only reason people like it is because it's free.
That and the fact that Genki represents both college classes and reddit

>tfw you can't focus on reps so you just watch anime instead an d half ass focus on them.

>>144650417
Japanese The Manga Way is also short, and does a much better job covering the content. At least in my opinion it does.

>>144650455
Yeah I know, I was just joking, it was the worst looking VN I could think of

>>144650568
Yeah JTMWs the best imo

>>144650559
Better than nothing

Can somebody help me out with this line:
降ろすに降ろせなくなった男子生徒が、また必死にしがみついてくる。

Context is a guy lost his balance and fell out a window and the main character caught him. When he was about to let him down, everything started shaking and he did not let him down yet. I'm mostly just confused on the 降ろすに降ろせなくなった part.

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おはようおにいちゃん

なつやすみだよなつやすみ

さあ、にほんいこ、おにいちゃん

>>144651360
夏は最低です