Why is this so overrated?

It's not.

That's K-On!

KyoAni

>KyoAni
>''pretty''
>self-insert MC
>cute girl to fawn over
>SoL
>School setting

Gee, I don't know why people would eat this shit up.

>>144604234
it's a kyoanus show

I'm still mad at the ending.

I want to argue because I like Hyouka, but it is a little overrated. It could've been better. Satoshi was a terrible character.

>>144604234
I can't remember a period of time where /a/ hasn't shit on this every time it was brought up.

It is overrated because kyoani always make shit and this one wasn't too bad

>>144604366
>>144604430
/thread

>>144604234
I liked it, wish the ending would have been different though.

Sure is weekend. Antikyoani force has been on full force since yesterday.

why do people pretend hyouka is deep?

>>144604234
it's not?

nobody outside of /a/ even knows this exists

>>144605019
because kyoani added a bunch of random imagery that doesn't actually mean anything

>>144605019
i don't get how someone can think it's deep at all

>Why don't people agree with my opinion?

>>144604638
It is an adaptation and the anime already caught up to the LN during that time so they have no choice.

>>144605019
Where are those people? Post proof.

because EE said he liked it

>>144605509
>>144603400
>>144603556

Chitanda is worst girl

>>144605558
None said it was deep.

>>144604466
There's still one more novel after the end of the anime which covered the first four. And from what I've heard on here, it's not the last.

>>144604486
Finally someone agrees with me, I can't stand that self-abosrbed prick. Everything about the character, from the role of being the faggot friend, the stupid meta lines, and the dramatic music that played whenever he was talking about dumb stuff makes me angry.

>>144604486

This. The Valentines episode was wasted because of that faggot.

>>144605210
>random imagery that doesn't actually mean anything
Piss off. Give me one example. The imagery throughout was very fitting to the mystery romance themes of the series

hyouka defense force has arrived

>>144605742
>Stop enjoying what I don't like

>>144605841
>please like hyouka

>>144605742
It's been almost four years now and as it was when it first aired, there will always be a sizeable chunk of people on /a/ who like Hyouka. And your shitty bait thread will always get replies from them.

>>144605923
Nah it's ok if you don't like it, it's not for everyone.

>>144605592
Those replies clearly implied Hyouka was deep.

Did you not read the whole exchange?
>>Hyouka
>Too deep for you?

>>144605663
Not that guy, but there were a lot of explanations with style shifts that didn't need to be there and felt like showing off.

>>144605988
Clearly a meme. Are you new?

>>144605594
No, the fake out where he said he wanted to help her and then was lolitwasadream.

>>144604486
>>144605596
That was kind of the point. Satoshi is a very insecure cowardly individual and you aren't supposed to respect him.
I honestly found it refreshing that the MC's best friend character wasn't just the chill goofball and actually had more to him.

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Mayaka best girl

it's bakemonogatari except good

>>144606051
Those style shifts were always done to explain something about the mystery in hand. Or would you have preferred watching them just talking? Visually it would've gotten very boring and monotone.

>>144604466
>secure trip
I hope you've all filtered this moron.

>>144606071
Yeah I'm aware. The point I was making was that there still is a faint hope we'll see more in the future as there's more to adapt. Though it does hinge on the author finishing the 6th novel

>>144606107
ok

>>144606081
There wasn't a conclusion to that though. You just have this unlikeable passive coward who feels like he's only there so Oreki isn't a friendless loser. It's not like some reveal where he was intended to be an aloof likeable guy until the Valentine's day thing, he basically spells out what a douche he is in the first three minutes of the show.

I also can't buy his friendship with Oreki at all and I don't remember them going into it.

>>144604234
Except it's not. It's KyoAni's best post-K-On! show.

>>144606522
Worse thing about Satoshi is this whole "i'm a database but I want to be a detective, teehee" meme
Jealousy and being second to others could make for an interesting plot point but this is like the worst way to put it

>>144606640
I hate the "database" thing so much. It's awful writing, the most blunt way to establish a character possible.

It's actually underrated, no other anime heal my insomnia like this. I recommend it to other sleepless anoms

>>144606522
Highschool friendships are rarely ever sunny. The imbalanced friendship they share reminds me of people I've met in real life. Oreki seems pretty hopeless when it comes to making friends, so I don't find it that surprising he's tolerated Satoshi. 2 flawed teenagers who became friends and played off each other's good points

>>144606148
Shut up, newfag.

>>144604430
>kyoanus
Don't you have some more shitty videos to make, you balding greek faggot?

>>144604234
No idea. It's so boring... the so called mysteries are so trivial and irrelevant.

Jesus, it is a nothing happens show. Absolutely nothing.

>>144605019
Because it is as deep as the ocean compared to most seasonal anime.

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>>144606086
This anon is correct

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"healing" anime is always overrated because it plays on siring emotions rather than on screen quality, there's always going to be an opinion distance with those who didn't feel to it to those that did.

Its probably the reason KyoAni is so controversial in general

>>144607038
it really isn't

>>144607121
It absolutely is and you fucking know it.

>>144607087
>hyouka
>healing anime
the only thing this snoozefest can cure is insomnia

>>144607038
There's nothing deep about it, it's a simple story with a lot of idiots wanking over basic symbolism.

>>144607087
Hyouka wasn't really healing or emotional, aside from maybe the first mystery. It's more like Dr Who to be honest.

>>144607211
i'm not wanking over symbolism, I'm wanking over believable characters acting in a believable manner and developing believable relationships.

>>144607211
Hyoka had no symbolism, I don't think you've even watched it and just parrot what other haters say.

>>144607289
>human databse
>chitanda
>believable characters

>>144604234
Somniferkino with overanimation, a shit show.

>>144604234
You mean underrated?

>>144607332
Again, I'm comparing it to most seasonal anime.

Where characters fall head over heal in love with someone at first sight and constantly act like unreasonable plot robots.

>>144607087
Do companies specifically market shows as "healing" in japan or is it some shit that the audience has made up? because if it's the latter I really hate that term. Anything "feel good" and devoid of real conflict could be labelled as "healing", One Punch Man could be a healing anime. It's just a buzzterm that people who like edgy shit throw around at shows that manage to retain its audiences' interest without shock tactics.

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>>144607346
>overanimation

>>144607346
>overanimation
Is this the new meme on the block?

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>>144604486
>Satoshi
>was
>a
>terrible
>character

>>144606726
Literally how is that bad writing?

>>144607389
chitanda and satoshi are way less believable than any character in average seasonal crap

>>144607477
If you only take one first glance at them maybe.

>>144607332
>human databse
A guy who is especially skilled at memorising things is perfectly beleivable. He wasn't ever implied to be superhuman.

>chitanda
What about her? If you mean her incessant curiosity, all I can say is welcome to the world anime and pandering.

>>144607525
human database is not believable no matter what measuring stick you put it up against

>>144607289
You get one believable character that changes, and that's Oreki, although absolutely none of the relationships he forms are believable at all because everything is served up to him despite his passivity for the first half.

>>144607541
What's so "out there" about him?

>>144607530
>it's anime so it's good writing lol
jesus

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>>144607477
>satoshi are way less believable than any character in average seasonal crap
What am I reading

>>144607563
Well the bar in anime in that regard is set pretty fucking low. It's not a medium known for its down-to-earth realism.

>>144607541
Eidetic memory is a thing and people with it can pretty much be called human databases.

>>144607541
But...why? Perhaps you're too stuck on his description of his own character to realize what his character is actually like.

>>144607673
>you should stop analyzing a character's traits stop criticizing him :(

>>144607580
The part where he plays hypeman to Oreki despite having no reason at all to hang out with the debbie downer and feed his pathetic jealousy.

Also the part where he talks like no human being ever with all of his meta shit.

>>144607391
Iyashikei was around before "healing" anime became popular.

>>144607750

So you don't believe people with photographic memory exist? Or you don't believe people might call themselves things like human database?

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People keep telling me this is a good mystery series, but it just isn't.

I'm only eight episodes in, but so far the way they've "solved" mysteries has just been them sitting around spewing giant chunks of exposition. And then Oreki magically puts it all together and explains it in another monologue. There is no clue hunting, there are no red herrings, there is only an endless series of monologues. And then a random, jarring fantasy sequence involving Chitanda.

I'm not getting the love for it.

>>144607846
yep people with photographic memory are just so common

>>144607886
No they're not, that's why there's only 1(one) in Hyouka, what's so unrealistic about that?

>>144607752
What's so crazy about him enjoying Oreki's company?
He's lazy, but an interesting guy to be around.

>>144607750
>>you should stop analyzing a character's traits stop criticizing him :(
I didn't say that. In fact you should analyze his character further than the "human database" description that you keep bringing up. If anything, I'm telling you to analyze him more.

>>144607391
I have no idea, there's a whole Japanese term for it and its usually applied to anime in the country side where bitter fuck mcs become happy thanks to little girls, like barakamon or NNB or yaharia ore

Its different from cgdct, you can tell at least from the dialogue and the utter lack of fan service

>>144607603
I'm saying you're being an anal prat. Character quirks are used to make characters more interesting. And they're often exaggerated in media, pushing them beyond realistic. Would you consider the cast of Othello to be completely realistic? What about the grizzled detective trope we see in film noire? There comes a point where you need to accept that you're watching fiction

>>144607957
he's a terrible character because he's nothing more than a walking plot device

>>144607872
The characters are the meat, the mystery serves as a backdrop.
It's more House than Detective Conan.

>>144607752
>despite having no reason at all to hang out with the debbie downer and feed his pathetic jealousy.
not an argument

>>144607872
>And then Oreki magically puts it all together and explains it in another monologue.
You haven't watched the show, have you? Oreki didn't solve the Hyouka mystery all by himself, he used the info provided by Satoshi, Chitanda and Mayaka to get an idea of what happened,and even then, he was not entirely correct, the teacher was the one who told them what actually happened.

>>144608023
>comparing trash like hyouka to a shakespear work
jesus

>>144605988
They're saying you're retarded, which you are.

>>144607886
What does that matter?

Are you fucking dumb anon

>>144608086
I'm not comparing it you fucking retard. I'm pointing out that well received fiction doesn't always have 100% realistic characters

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>>144607289
>believable characters acting in a believable manner

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>>144608086
The fact that I gave you so many replies up to this point makes me feel disappointed.

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Assblasted anti-Hyouka/KyoAni fags ITT

>S-s-stop liking what I don't like!

>>144608086
now you are just being retarded

>>144608224
stop false flagging

>>144608224
>meaningless cinegrid that doesn't offer any context for any of the shots
hyouka fanboys everybody

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>>144608187
>compared to most seasonal anime

Why are people suddenly pretending anime isn't full of rainbow-coloured walking tropes and harem self-inserts doing outlandish things every week? Would admiting that Hyouka handles its characters and plots in a slightly more believable fashion really hurt that much?

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This shit was pretty great for those nights where you have trouble sleeping.

>>144605988
Hyouka is so deep that none of the people who think it's deep can explain why at all.

>>144608309
>Meaningless
Fuck off retard

>>144608340
>Would admiting that Hyouka handles its characters and plots in a slightly more believable fashion really hurt that much?
it would hurt to "admit" a blatantly false thing like that

>>144608309
>>144608304
Keep the tears coming, I need them for my manchildren mug.

>>144608064
You didn't read my post, did you?

I never said he solved the mystery all by himself. The mystery was "solved" by everyone sitting around and explaining what they'd discovered in giant chunks of exposition. And them Oreki put it all together and explained it in another giant chunk of exposition. After which, they spoke with the librarian, who explained what REALLY happened in yet another giant chunk of exposition.

It's not good storytelling at all. "Show don't tell" isn't just a cliche.

>>144608035
>The characters are the meat, the mystery serves as a backdrop.

The characters are all awful, except for Oreki, whose likability is limited by the obnoxious people around him.

Find a better ED than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfuWtQBAm28

>>144608350
Hyouka isn't Orange

>>144608400
Yet four years on, you have still failed to come up with a proper argument as to why the characters are so unbelievable

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People really don't like Satoshi?

>>144608432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEDzvRx9dc

>>144608430
Have you ever watched or read mystery novels? Exposition is the name of the game in that genre.

>>144608490
people have come up with plenty arguments in this thread, you just choose to dismiss it in your state of blind fanboyism

>>144607872
As a mystery show is complete garbage and that was one of the most discussed things back in the day. But hyoukafags will tell you it's doesn't matter because they're not the focus. Well, take the mysteries out and what do you have? Yep, shit.

>>144608505
he's a piece of shit, that much both the hyoukafags and anti hyoukafags can agree on

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>>144608224
There are many KyoAni shows that I do like. Hyouka is not one of them. You sound like the one who is ass-blasted. Some people don't like a thing you like, and that's okay.

>>144608430

>It's not good storytelling at all. "Show don't tell" isn't just a cliche.

That's not how it works in mystery. You give the audience the case and then you explain how it is actually solved.

>>144607999
In that context it kind of makes sense, 9-to-5 6-day work week nips living in the city could dream of retiring in the country, and these shows are a form of wish-fulfilment. But really it just feels like a term used to cheapen certain shows. I heard it a lot in regards to Flying Witch which was an excellent show regardless of how its designed to cater to its audience.

>>144608590
>Arguments

No, they just say they're unrealistic and unlikable.

>>144608590
All I've seen is the satoshi and chitanda complaints, both of which were shut down, because apparently someone having a very good memory is SO OUTLANDISH to you retards.

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>>144608400
You look at these shows and want to tell me Hyouka is not more grounded and believable than 90% of them?

>>144608490
Or you are crazy and can't accept all of the reasons people have told you for why they don't find the characters believable for four years.

Which is hard to believe (like the characters) when you've got the static and one-dimensional rich perfect girl who conveniently aggressively pursues the company of a indifferent passive protagonist helped along by his friend who starts off by loudly proclaiming their respective personalities followed up by him talking about how he's just been accepted for the second fiddle position.

>>144608701
correct, the depth of hyouka's characters is on par with SAO2

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>>144608752

>>144608701
Glasslip was truly the evangelion of this decade

>>144608430
>It's not good storytelling at all. "Show don't tell" isn't just a cliche.
Provide a example on how they would "show" that he solved the mistery instead of him just saying it

>>144608701
It's been two years since this season. Fuck. I miss Nozaki-kun.

>>144608701
I find the romance of Blade Dance to be more believable than Hyouka.

>>144608553
I've read quite a few (I've recently gotten into Sue Grafton's alphabet series--it's fun). In the good ones, exposition is always interspersed with action and dialogue. The detective will question a witness, or go hunting for clues somewhere, or take some sort of action. There is no action in Hyouka. It's all monologues.

Someone earlier mentioned that Hyouka is like House. It's not. On House, they always talked with the patient, did a bunch of tests, and sometimes visited the patient's house to look for clues. Nothing like that happens on Hyouka. Just monologues.

>>144608752
>>144608782
The GGO arc of SAO2 was better than anything Hyouka did

>>144608395
>>144608412
Not that guy but I haven't seen the show, looking at those shots stood alone I am not convinced that they have any meaning. Your response to that person's post could have been your opportunity to convince those reading that each shot does have a specific meaning and that Hyouka is an underrated gem. Rather you just reinforce how absolutely cancerous the show's fanbase is. Not only do a still retain the belief that Hyouka isn't deep or intellectual and that its fans post images such as those to appear smart, but your passive aggressive responses has actively deterred me from enjoying a show you yourself already enjoy. I hope you rest easy knowing that the cause of people hating a show you love is directly your fault. developer cancer

>>144606903
>knows what a secure trip is
>newfag
???

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>it's been 4 years since Hyouka
>no anime has beat it in animation yet

What happened?

>>144608590
the only one i've heard is that muh human database is realistic (which has been debunked)

>>144608752
hmmmm, not so sure about that anon

>>144608789
>check the archive
>people are still recommending Glasslip to newbies
Nice.

>>144604234
I like how the chitanda's grandfather, I think it was her grandfather, mystery is resolved.

Without any emotion, resolution or feeling. Just in a sleepy way like any other thing in this shitty show.

>>144608957
If it makes you feel better (it didn't for me), they point out in the second half how stupid the mysteries are and how it really is just Oreki making things up, and the whole reason for them is just to have a pretense for them to hang out. The show moves past the mysteries and it becomes a lot better. I still don't like it, but it becomes a lot better.

That first half is misery though. Unbelievably boring.

>>144608738
>the static and one-dimensional rich perfect girl
For most of the show this is true, but the final episode sheds more bits of diferent personality.

>indifferent passive protagonist
He stops being the indifferent and passive protagonist right around episode 18 iirc, when they solve the helicopter case.

>by loudly proclaiming their respective personalities
Satoshi only loudly proclaimed his special skill, which is photographic memory, his true personality is revealed in the final school festival episode and later in the Valentine day episode.

>>144608957
Most mysteries in Hyouka didn't require any sort of action from their part.

>>144609049
glassip is not even bad, just utter boring. So pretty much hyouka without the deluded fedora tipper fanbase.

>>144609221
Glassip also flopped while Hyouka ended up selling 20k on average after re-release.

>>144608993
Phantom World had too much fan service to trick you into thinking that it was deep and had realistic, relateable characters.

Satoshi may have been unlikable but he was a good character.

I particularly liked how he started showing his jealousy and resentment towards Oreki since friendships in animu tend to be a bit too idealized.

>>144609109
It's not about his memory, it's about his character role. It's not the part where he says he's a human database, it's the part where he talks about how databases draw no conclusions that beats you over the head with "this is going to be my character." It was so annoying and it plays out so predictably anyway, them spelling it out made it unberaable.

Besides if I remember correctly, his memory isn't even that good which is why he gets wrekt at the festival trivia.

>>144604543
There was a time. After that, shitposters started getting more vocal and now the threads are horrible so people who want to talk about the show don't join, since they know the threads are flooded with shitposters. I am starting to feel the same way. I used to join every Hyouka thread and tried to spread the love but now there's just no point because brainless retards with brainless opinions won't let you have decent discussion.

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>all these fags who can't understand a character driven show
Go back to your actionshit

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>>144609221
>glassip is not even bad

>>144609268
The kyoanus brand name still hooks retards, fortunately less than before as seen with phantom sales

>>144609328
>people that don't like my shitty show are shitposters
Ok.

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These threads wouldn't be popping up if we banned underage people from 4chan. Young people can't even comprehend the simplest things in this show.

>>144609411
I'm completely fine with people disliking the show, as long as they have a good reason. People who dislike Hyouka tend not to have one.

>>144609299
Realism and relatability are for sorry losers who can't enjoy a character whom they can't self insert into

>>144609317
He says that because he's afraid of being wrong, did you watch the fucking show for fucks sake? Didn't you get that when Oreki mentions how he doesn't go for the kill anymore like he used to, and would rather play it safe when they were playing that mecha game? The only time he actively tried to solve a mystery and thus beat Oreki was in the school festival arc, and he got blown out for its lack of problem solving skills, not because his memory wasn't that good. He's very jealous of Oreki's skills and doesn't draw conclusions because he'll get outclassed by him every time.

>>144609381
Still more than shit studios like shaft and bones could even dream of though

>>144609317
Him having a inferiority complex is part of his character, he calls himself that because that's what he actually believes

>>144608971
It's been years since watched it all, so I can't remember all of them, but I'll give a crack at a few, since your smug cuntyness decided to post.

>top left
Chitanda madly badgering Oreki about the first mystery of the show and Oreki being awestruck at how overbearing and intense she is. Here represented by her tangling him up
>top second from left
A recount of a school rumour about one of the students finding a ghost in the music room
>Top second from right
love shaped pendulum representing Oreki anticipating chitanda to confess to him at the cafe
>Bloody beast
The poster for the murder mystery amateur film shot by students in the show
>Bottom right
Sakura and the pink sunset. This is the scene where Oreki comes a hair away from confessing to Chitanda

Several more of these have no meaning to them all because they are what they are. i.e. the nape of chitanda's neck. That's literally fucking it. The angle was shot to show it from oreki's perspective and how he finds it alluring, but that's it.

>>144608505
A lot of self-hating anons can see themselves in this character

>>144609507
I'm pretty boring and lazy, but even I couldn't self-insert as the MC.

>>144608309
If you watched the show you know the context. If you didn't, you have no business discussing its symbolism.

>>144609616
Because he's handsome.

>>144608971
>I didn't watch the show but I still think those shots have no meaning and am willing to defend my admittedly uninformed opinion on it
This has got to be a joke.

>>144608430
>>144608957

Most mysteries in Hyouka are like this, no action, all exposition, as if the detective was talking down to us. But they can be quite entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388-rOzD9SM

>>144609687
>meaningless shots
>symbolism
kek

>>144608977
Considering it's been memeified by retards who are mad that they can't easily crack the trip.

>>144609314
This
People don't seem to fucking get that friendships (especially with teenagers) are filled with holes and imbalances.

My father's fucking 50 year friendship with his best friend is pretty imbalanced at times

>>144609889
stop calling people newfags and come up with some original insults for once

what's next? m-m-m-muh reddit bogeyman!!

i honestly hope everyone here has filtered you, which, seeing as you don't get many replies recently, really shows that they have, you insufferable cunt

>>144606913
Do you really think that he invented the word kyoanus?

>>144609820
>the pendulum bob of the clock turned into a heart
>background turning into gears and clocks when Oreki is thinking
>the dog and the rabbit
>Chitanda and Oreki standing in the light and the dark
>puppet Oreki and the clapping hands
>hand literally reaching for the moon
>Chitanda pulling on Oreki's clothes
>the teardrop on the cat
>Oreki riding with Chitanda with a childish background
>Dead or LOVE
>Rose-colored final scene

If you think these are meaningless, it's not the show's fault that everything literally went over your head. You probably think haircuts are the best way to show character development.

>>144609967
Or maybe I just need to shitpost more like you.

>>144609221
>hyouka without the deluded fedora tipper fanbase.
what does this even mean

>>144609460
Aren't Hyuoka characters underage? Why do such character comprehend these complex matters and underage anons don't? Is it because the character don't really act their age?

>>144604234
People think that if it has a good animation the show has to good.

>>144610613
The show has a good direction. Regardless of the animation.

>>144610751
People think that if it has good direction the show has to be good.

>it's a luxury comp
>frank is going to get a costume again
>james is going to win the veto
Fuck this season

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>>144608993
monogatari series

>>144611086

2deep4me

>>144611086
niceme.me

That shit looks like a graphic designer graduation project to be honest.

>>144611086
It's honestly a good thing studios want to be like Kyoani and not shaft. I can't stand this ugly powerpoint garbage

>>144611086
Not even close.

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>>144611262
Who would even want to be an Aniplex lapdog?

>>144611086
Indulgent powerpoint trash that has the gall to be pretentious about the main character being a piece of shit. His interactions with snail are disgusting. Dropped.

>>144611488
i didn't say plotwise i said animation wise, and the posted an example

>>144611568
You posted an example with about 10 actual frames of (mediocre) animation in it, too.

>>144611568
I can't seriously believe someone is citing Monogatari as an example of great animation right now.

>>144611568
Animationwise that looks like garbage, maybe all the things going on in there have a meaning but the animation is nothing impressive.

>>144604234
It's not, it's underrated. It's one of the greatest shows ever made

>>144606952
Calling something boring isn't a criticism of a work. You're just complaining about your inability to pay attention. It's not bad just because it doesn't align with what you perceive as interesting. You could argue that the point of entertainment is to entertain but not everything is going to appeal to everyone. Hyouka clearly has a fanbase which means it found its audience. You just weren't its audience.

>>144610833
Hyouka has a lot of work behind it, you can actually see the effort made, It's done with passion. And it's such a shame it didn't provoke anything on me. Despise of the work made they didn't create anything new so the series didn't catch the attention of the audience, in fact it bored the audience, it bored me, and this is very important factor at the end of the day. Is Hyouka an underrated series? I would say people don't recognize the effort behind the series but that doesn't mean it should receive the praise it gets.

>>144611184
>>144611215
>>144611262
>>144611331
>>144611488
>>144611624
>>144611688
>>144611701
thanks for the (you)s

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>>144611215
Not even joking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaNArsACbgw

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>>144611841
(You) too

>>144611747
you could say the same for any of their series. sure they put a lot of effort into making it look nice with above average directing (which at times even becomes overbearing) and nice animation but their shows fall apart when it comes to characters and plotlines.

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Somebody. please tell me this shit gets better. i'm in episode 6 and everything is so repetitive and boring. i can handle stuff where they talk a lot but i feel so bored when i watch this anime

i hate the mc by the way

>>144611953
it really doesn't

>>144611841
You never know with Shaftfags, man. I swear some of them could post that as an actual example of "good animation".

>>144611953
the first 6 episodes are the worst part. everything does, in fact, get better

>>144611953
It's not for you, just drop it retard, go watch some retard friendly garbage like YrYr or Hidamari. Try again when you're a bit older.

>>144611982
i AM a shaftfag posting that as an example of good animation

still, thanks for the (you)

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>>144611890
>Kyoani
>cute japanese girls making the best 2D animation

>Shaft
>poo in the loo powerpoint shitters

How can shaft even compete?

>>144611953
It gets better if you try to understand what the show is trying to do instead of sticking with your initial idea of what it should do. If you went in expecting murder mystery drama and are not willing to change your expectations, then of course it won't get better because it's not a murder mystery drama. If you get a hint and understand that the show is about the characters and that the mysteries are there to develop the characters and just fuel interaction, then yes it does get better.

>>144612058
>Hidamari
>garbage
excuse me?

>>144612070
Oh, I'm so sorry. Here's another (You). Get well soon.

>>144612070
So you're just upset. Also, replies aren't currency.

>>144611982
>I swear some of them could post that as an actual example of "good animation".
I wouldn't say it's good animation but it's entertaining if you consider the context of the scene

>>144612058
>>144605509

>all of these people shitting on Satoshi because muh database

It thought the point of that line was that he was trying imply he knew a lot but had no deduction skills to make connections.

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>>144608701
Rails Wars and Momokyun Sword had more character development and plot than Hyouka.

>>144611900
So you like Hyouka because of the characters and plotline?
In my opinion Hyouka is realistic on this matter but at the same time the character development is quite slow, the entire point of the series is how he changes his point of view in life, and it delivers at the end, but it's not what I expected. I wanted a show about the develop of romance and I got Oreki's change about his views in life. Maybe you expected something alse so you like it.

>>144612427
>So you like Hyouka because of the characters and plotline?
i was saying the opposite actually

>>144612469
Well shit.

>>144612233
Which is irrelevant because he replied to someone who was talking about animation specifically.

>>144612469
Well what do you think of the characters and plotlines. What did you expected?

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>>144608993
>>no anime has beat it in animation yet
is that still true?

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>>144612266
100x this

The autism in this thread is astounding.

>>144611900
I disagree and the directing/animation are what make the characters good. They aren't separated into different categories. I don't understand why people reinforce the dichotomy of visuals and writing when both are inextricably linked. The effective characterization in the show is done via audiovisual means.

>>144612678
Terrible example.

>>144612058
Nice false flag.

>>144612715
>directing and animating make characters good
what the fuck?

>>144612683
They shit on him for other reasons tho.

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>>144612678
I would say so. Hyouka has an almost obscene level of polish. I wouldn't say it's the "best animated" or "best looking" show of all time, but I would say it's the most meticulously made.

>>144612831
They really don't.

>>144612715
>I will draw and animate a flaccid dick going full erect and call it character development.

>>144612683
Shouldn't you be in your dindu nuffin wrong thread defending Griffith and Homura?

>>144613037
Yes, they do.

>>144604378

What was the last Kyoani show that didn't follow this formula? FMP?

>>144613423
Hibike

>>144613544
hibike was all of those things

>>144613544
I didn't watch hibike but I think it fits the description.
I might watch it, but so far I've been let down by Kyoani, it's never what I expect.

>>144613614
No, it was not.
Besides, that list is flawed.

>self-insert MC
>SoL
>School setting
These are the only things that define a "formula" in that list. The rest are just style. Of these three things, Hibike isn't a SoL and Kumiko isn't self-insert. That leaves you with 1 (one) similarity between Hibike and this formula that you claim KyoAni shows all do.

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>>144613764
>Hibike isn't a SoL

>>144613898
It's not. It's a character drama.

>>144604234
Because teenagers brains have the logic and problem solving capacity of a child, and they don't understand how or why the "mysteries" fall flat and aren't compelling in the slightest.

/a/ is full of teenagers, so most of the people here think it's an awesome combination of genres.

>>144613898
It's not dude. What the fuck?

>>144613741
I'll tell you what to expect: a competition drama that is actually more like a sports anime than a SoL. The first half is the "training arc" or the show, and the second half is all band drama. It's not a comedy (the first half sometimes does have jokes), it's not a CGDCT show, it's not about the "4 main girls" (2 are irrelevant after episode 4, and one starts being relevant in episode 8). The second half of the show is serious about its drama and music plot. Honestly it's great, but the first episodes are kind of very slow, so if you can reach episode 5 you'll love the rest of it. Expect yuri overtones.

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>>144614023
>he still thinks Hyouka was about the mysteries

>>144613997
>drama can't exist in sol

>MC is literally autistic
I don't know anon, why don't you tell me?

>>144613997
>>144614039
What does slice of life means to you?

>>144611086
I completely agree that Bakemonogatari rivals Hyouka in terms of animation and cinematography, but I'm not sure that applies to the rest of the monogatari series.

>>144614081
>Expect yuri overtones.
Well I was expecting that, glad not to be dessapointed.
It seem to me that you don't understand what SoL means, Clannad after story is Sol and it does have drama, and a depressing tone.

>>144614106
Of course it can, but when the focus of the story is the drama, not the slice of life, then the story is a drama, not a slice of life.

>>144614157
In order for me to consider a show SoL there needs to be a very large focus on the SoL elements. This means a focus on the character's day to day activities (usually repeated episode to episode) with actual development and plot events occuring only by incident. If you don't use a fairly strict definition like this, the genre quickly encompasses nearly ever piece of fiction ever made.

Main boy shouldn't have been in a club in the first place with how little he cared about other people, 2nd boy was a horrible monster, main girl was autistic, 2nd girl was cute and deserved better.

>>144614420
Your definition is wrong slice of life means that, a moment of your life it can be drama in it, tragedy, and many more.

>>144614606
If slice of life means a slice of the main character's life, then nearly every anime is a slice of life.

>>144614697
Well, y-yes.

>>144614697
>then nearly every anime is a slice of life.
Correct, almost everything that airs is SOL

>>144614081
>The second half of the show is serious about its drama and music plot.
it's almost entirely about drama. the music element to the show had almost nothing to do with the series in the second half.

>>144614606
Yes, but if we use this definition then everything is a slice of life show.
To be a bit more abstract, slice of life shows have a distinct lack of contrivedness. What I mean by this is that they lack most of the typical constructs of storytelling expected in most other genres. There's no specific turning points where we see development happen, there's no defined three act structure, there aren't clear and constructed character arcs. Instead SoL focuses on showing normal, mundane events in a person's life. Things like drama and tragedy can still occur, but they don't occur because of the strictures of a three act structure or because a character needs to develop in some way. Rather, they simply occur as mundane events in a characters' life.

I love Hyouka threads.

>>144614405
Still, the second half of Hibike really isn't SoL. It focuses a lot on the drama. Watch it and you'll know what I mean.

Oh hey look, it's the bi-weekly "Hyouka is overrated" thread!

I get it, you don't like it. Go watch something else idiot.

>>144615198
>the music element to the show had almost nothing to do with the series in the second half
the fuck? it's more than half of the focus.
Episode 8 has nothing to do with music except for the ED, ok, but the rest of the episodes in the second half are directly about music or the band.

>Episode 7
>Episode 8
These are more drama/SoL

>Episode 9
The second half is entirely about the auditions
>Episode 10
The drama about the solo begins, it's directly related to music
>Episode 11
The drama about the solo takes up the whole episode. Directly related to music.
>Episode 12
The whole episode is about Kumiko practicing to get better. Directly related to music.
>Episode 13
The whole episode is about the day of the performance, and the performance itself takes up a big chunk of the episode. More than directly related to music.

>>144604234
It is only so much highly regarded among the KyoAni fans, who would even praise a series completely about paint drying if it was animated by KyoAni.

>>144617831
Opposite. There are lots of people who don't like or are lukewarm on Kyoani who see Hyouka as the "good" Kyoani show.

I want to pet Oreki's pretty hair
And maybe unzip his pants

hyouka is FUCKING GARBAGE

>>144613764
>Hibike isn't a SoL
It is
>Kumiko isn't self-insert
For you, neckbeard. Girls can self insert too.

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All those faggots already forgotten.
Perhaps they wasn't even there.

>>144609411
You can dislike the show all you want, if you provide an argument better than "it puts me to sleep do i fite in guise???"
Otherwise you're just an underage memespouter.

>>144619057
>It is
It's not.

>>144610506
>"I can't understand the basic principles of fiction, everything needs to be painfully photorealistc and grounded on reality, or else it's bad"
You must be a blast at parties.

>>144619342
You're lucky that I'm still awake on this thread, I never meant that the series were bad as a whole, rather than the characters are way too mature for their age.

>>144612678
Kabaneri's budget fell apart halfway into the show, which is kind of like every WIT show in general

The hallmark of Kyoani shows is the the fact that they look as good as they do in the first episode as they do in the last, sometimes even better.

>>144604234
Tell me in what way it's overrated and maybe we can have a discussion instead of a shitty bait thread.

>>144620112
People praise Hyouka as an unassailable masterpiece when it's just pretty good.

>>144604234
Because it's popular among insecure teenagers who tend to overrate their entertainment in order to make themselves look refined on the internet. If what they like is 'great' then transitively they also have 'great' taste.

>>144619709
But they are all SoL garbage or harem, kyoanus cant into action driven shows aka stuff that requires animation effort.

>>144621640
Phantom World had plenty of action and looks great start to finish.

>>144608993
Nichijou is better in literally every regard.

>>144621685
Unfunny shit with forced overanimation.

>>144621773
>forced overanimation
Ladies and gentlemen: the Hyouka fanbase.

>>144621219
okay

>>144621830
why are you trying to make this into one side against the other?

>>144621927
Because it is.

>>144607620
Based Daiz. What can't he do?

>>144604378
>self-insert MC

Oreki has a very particular philosophy about life to be a self-insert. He also growth a lot during the events of the show, again not a self-insert trait.

>>144607289
>Hyouka
>believable characters acting in a believable manner
This is what severely autistic people who haven't talked to anyone in years actually believe.

>>144622367
Of course he's a self-insert. He's designed to appeal to your average teenager and early 20s underachiever who considers himself 'smart but lazy'. He's not particularly popular, and he's mostly dragged into things by his surroundings. That's the perfect setting for people to identify with.

>>144614505
>Main boy shouldn't have been in a club in the first place

This was addressed in the very first episode. At first he wanted to join because he thought he would get a whole classroom for himself and then he fell for chitanda so he had no choice but to join.
>2nd boy was a horrible monster

He just didn't want to hurt someone he cared about. It's not uncommon that fifteen year olds don't have optimal decision making capabilities.

>main girl was autistic, 2nd girl was cute and deserved better.

All true, but I can't quite figure out chitanda and things got great for mayaka by the end.

Regarding the chitanda, does she instinctively feel that she can act the way she does with oreki? She wasn't that pushy with any other character as far as I remember, she is usually quite reserved, but with oreki she was full curious from the get go.

>>144622589
He has too many quirks to be a self-insert. Self-inserts are mostly empty, they are simply cool so that viewer has little to no distractions to insert himself into feeling cool. He also never goes into "if only i tried i would have succeeded!" territory. He has great analytical skills but it is never implied that he could use them for studies or any other socially significant way. Even his dream of being "special" is crushed in the course of one episode.

>>144622781
>He has too many quirks to be a self-insert.
He has literally one quirk.

>>144622965
He has tons of uncommon facial expressions and behaviors (like being a hermit crab) that are particular only to him. Self-inserts are a blank slates, they are completely reactive in their behavior and don't have one original thought so that they won't scare off the viewer. Yes, Oreki is reactive in his actions, but there is a whole world of thought that leads to those actions. It just so happens that he actually longs for colorful life, it's just that he couldn't achieve it by himself.

>>144623132
>He has tons of uncommon facial expressions and behaviors (like being a hermit crab) that are particular only to him
Like what, looking bored most of the time and doing a goofy face on occasion? That's not a character quirk, it's a visual one, and it says nothing at all about him.

>elf-inserts are a blank slates, they are completely reactive in their behavior and don't have one original thought so that they won't scare off the viewer
Wrong. They're just extremely generic. They still have desires, goals, and justifications for the things they do, it's just that those things tend to be incredibly basic and easy to relate to. This is true of Oreki as well.

>>144621640

Excuse me? Phantom World for the garbage it was had strong animation quality and consistency. Back then I would say that it was rare for KyoAni to be potent with fight scenes but they're improving greatly. To top that off with constant character acting, it puts most studios to shame.

>>144623216
> incredibly basic and easy to relate

Please tell me how this applies to Oreki's actions in helicopter episode.

>>144623405
It's morbid curiosity, curiosity piqued by inconsistent behavior. There's nothing notable about that at all.

>>144623216
You both are wrong, self insert is the literal author inserting himself into the story. /a/ keeps using words they don't know, as usual.

>>144623807
The word has taken on a new definition. A more accurate term would probably be "audience insert" but no one uses that so I'm not really concerned.

>>144604234
because its actually good
stop being such a cunt

I never really felt that I was inserting myself into Oreki. Hyouka in general wasn't a wish fulfillment show.

>>144621640
>animation effort
Phantom World had lots of fights
Hibike had impressive instrument animation
Amagi was meh but it did have some nice animation moments
Free! has swimming and water animation, which is probably one of the most avoided sports in anime because it's so hard to animate
Chuuni had very cool fights
Hyouka had lots and lots of character acting which, believe it or not, a lot animators can't seem to get right
Nichijou is just filled with lots of very animation-heavy gags and scenes
Munto has lots of action

It's actually harder to find a KyoAni show that you can call lazily than to find one with impressive animation

>>144624823
>Hibike had impressive instrument animation
what was impressive about hibike's instrument animation?

the only thing that it might have done differently from any other studio is finger movements

>>144604234
You cant overrate the best TV anime of all times.

>>144624823
>call lazily
lazily made*

>>144624859
You're just plain wrong. First of all, it was hand drawn. Then, it had lots of detail with the tubing, highlights, and shading. Then, the models were incredibly consistent, even when moving and rotating, which is very hard to do, even moreso with all the tubing. Then, they were animated to actually fit the music. This is hard because you have to animate all the fingerings and time them properly. It was also impressive because there was lots of it, the final performance lasted 6 minutes.

Look at Haruchika for comparison, where the instruments look like shit and are hardly animated.

>>144624859
In basically every show with brass instruments other than Hibike instruments are just flatly colored brass or silver and some shading might be added to suggest reflections. Hibike's instruments reflect light like actual brass instruments do.

Hyouka is the ultimate test for anime test and mental abilities of the watcher. Its so nuanced and intricate weaving of relevant details, that ADHD fags cant keep up with it at all.

>>144624859
try drawing an euphonium
try adding all the tubing and details
now try adding highlights and shading
now try adding the exact same euphonium with the exact same size and proportions, but rotates 30°

now try drawing a hand
try drawing it holding the euphonium
now draw the exact same hand in different positions to represent different fingerings
now play some music and try to properly time the fingerings with the notes playing with the music
now add inbetweens to make all of that flow smoothly

or you can just find me an anime that animates instuments as well as hibike does

>>144625101
oh, I forgot
>now try doing that for every instrument

Tbh the main achivement of Hibike over other music anime is that they actually presented music performances in - look, dont listen (to characters narrating how cool this performance supposed to be).

It was issue in Nodame, Shigatsu etc. - where instead of presenting really great performances and awaking emotions they should cause - they interupted and spent 90% of time people narrating "wow! they play so good! i can cum! they are geniuses! so emotional!" (though least Nodame music was good).

Hibike on other hand, managed to make the actual process of music performance inspiring, emotional, impactful - all that just by animating character play, facial expressions, small animation nuances, good direction. You could FEEL the difference say in audition test, you could HEAR how good the last performance in anime was, an SEE how characters gave it all.

>>144604310
It is.

>>144625224
KyoAni is the one and only - do other studios even try?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65LOQWV-UfM

>>144625224

I'm defending Hibike here, but I do admit they did that for Rydeen, which they fixed in the movie apparently.

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>People calling shitting on Hyouka for Oreki being "Self-insert"

First off, stop fucking using 'self-insert'. It's completely in the wrong context.

Second, Oreki is supposed to be relatable, just like (surprise) 99% of protagonists in stories. Just because he's a male doesn't mean he's a blank personality-less slate we're supposed to overwrite ourselves onto.

It's getting extremely fucking annoying with every Hyouka thread that comes up there are Hibike fags who immediately put Kumiko up on a pedestal over Oreki simply because she's a cute girl.

>>144625224
there were like 2 performances that they showed, that was it

>>144625350
And like a million practice scenes.

>>144612678

Kabaneri picks it's spots. There are times where the animation is just pedestrian and they used too many stills.

>>144625375
really, all of those scenes have about 10-15 seconds worth of music, i would hardly call that letting the viewers listen to the music.

>>144625334
Oreki and Kumiko are both fantastic mcs.

Hyouka wasn't overrated, it was ZzzZzZZZzzz

>>144625466
Agreed. Waifufags just make me mad, as always.

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>>144604234
Another wildly successful Hyouka troll thread, I'll see you guys in the next one.

>>144619087
we always have the same discussion.
/a/ does not read anything not even threads

>>144619709
i stopped watching halfway through so i must have missed all the QUALITY

>>144609360
Compared to most kyoanishit, it's isn't.

>>144612715
This

Since the anime stops at the 4th book, should I just start reading from the 5th or is the prose so amazing that I should read the whole thing from the start?

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>>144628953
I just read the 5th after watching the anime and it felt really familiar.

Though I want to read it from the beginning too.

>>144629207
in english, or?

>>144626200
Checked
I love Hyouka. Shitters should go. S2 hopefully in our lifetime.

>>144610093
Why are you using a trip and a name?

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>>144629234
yes, in English (fan translations)

>>144604234
Kyoanimations, mostly. Give people enough moe Chitanda and they can ignore how little sense the plot makes.

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>>144606903

>name/tripfag calls out NewFag
nani?

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>>144606147
>the mystery at hand
EXCEPT THERE WAS NO MYSTERY. EVER. EVERY SINGLE TIME THE AUTHOR TRIES HIS HARDEST TO ENGAGE YOU AND MAKE YOU THINK THERE'S A MYSTERY TO BE SOLVED, ONLY TO COME OUT AT THE ELEVENTH HOUR WITH A RETARDED PLOT TWEEEEST THAT WOULD MAKE AGATHA CHRISTIE WINCE. "HYOUKA=ICE CREAM= I SCREAM IT WAS A CRY FOR HELP GUISE SO DEEP AMIRITE?" "OH THERE WAS NEVER A SOLUTION TO THE MYSTERY, THE WRITER JUST FLAKED OUT AND HAD YOU BOZOS RUN AROUND FIGURING IT OUT" WELL FUCK YOU TOO NIGNOG.
And I read all that shit in light novel form so I didn't even get to see the pretty colors.

>>144606148
You clearly haven't, why should I?

>>144606610
Those are not mutually exclusive. That said, fuck no it isn't, that's Chu2byo.

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>>144607178
kek
underrated post.

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If people can't see the brilliance of this show then what's the point.

It has no down sides to it.

Coming out in 2012 with top top tier animation that 90 percent of studios couldn't even dream of overtaking this despite being in 2016.

It's just brilliance from start to finish from all view points.

>>144607289
>autistic KININARIMASU chick
>autistic "I don't wanna do anything but I'm actually really smart" self-insert bait that gets dragged around
>two walking clichés to round out the cast and occasionally move the plot around

>>144607476
How is reducing a character into an abstract plot coupon ever fucking GOOD writing?

>>144608023
A)Shakespeare's works are actually fairly character-oriented and his characters still appeal to us today, 500 odd years after they were written. Comparatively, Hyouka was written practically yesterday,and it's characters are far more outlandish and inhuman. Being fictitious has nothing to do with that at all.

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>>144629784
Obligatory fuck off Ledouche.
and fuck off once again with your shitty opinion, jesus christ.

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>>144629784
Says the person who thinks NNB is a masterpiece. Once again ledouche pops up and shits up the threads with his shit taste.

>>144608224
>I like things because they're shiny and pretty!
t. you

>>144608432
Might as well turn this into an ED thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfltbkdSBUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2TJ1qqeRD8

>>144608701
A/0's side characters (because fuck the entire main cast altogether) had more development in two episodes than Hyouka's had in its entire run.

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>>144611488
>his interactions with snail are disgusting
Leave and NEVER come back.

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>>144609568
>Shit studios
>SHAFT
>Bones
>this is what kyoanifags ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>144610751
It undeniably looks good, but that's far from the same thing as actually being good. If the plot is shit, it doesn't matter how sakuga your animation is. Musaigen more than aptly proved that.

>>144625255
Where?

>>144612070
You could have picked a better example. Several better examples, in fact.