What went right?

>>144600847

It ended.

>>144600847
Nothing.

It appealed to autists

The music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Ka0WFqftA

>>144600847
Just about everything

Music, designs, characters, plot (even though the first have was much better than the second)

and you know its good because of all the contrarian hipsters

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Would rewatch just for Guts

You gotta commend it for begging for the internet to make Porn of itself

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>>144600847
Ryuko.

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>>144600847
Satsuki>Ryuko

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>>144601077

>>144601265
wrong'

http://www.strawpoll.me/563819/r

>>144601316
We're talking as a whole, not just an anatomical part

The first half.

It needed to be shorter
The middle half is worthless, while the start and ending are both pretty good

>>144600847
Relaxed and casual nudity past episode 3.

>>144601643
>cutting Nui's arrival, Takarada and Satsuki's betrayal
What?

>>144600847
Ryuko.

>>144600847
Everything.

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This episode.

I think the episode aired on boxing day and /a/ assumed it was Ryuko's brother or something.

Fuck it was so great to watch the livestream where everyone was wrong.

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>>144602092
That episode was animated like shit and the start of the decine of the production values of the show.

>>144602092
>you want male love interest?
>TOO BAD! HERE NUI! FUCK U!

>>144602092

Nui was the best thing about this mediocre series.

>>144603030
Wrongest post in a long time.

Someone post NANI SORE!

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>>144602888
Nui is Ryuko's one true love interest.

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>>144603080

everything after the school satsuki's betrayal was terrible and a waste of time

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Fight Club Mako.

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>>144600847
Mako

>>144603136
Is there any art of her drawn like Snake Plisken?

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Watch the better version now

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>>144600847
The characters.
Them and their banter alone are able to carry the show even when the animation is shit and nothing really interesting is happing.
It's the main thing KLK has over TTGL's bland ass cast of no name supporting characters.

>>144603185
Just like your life after high school.

Faggot.

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>>144603289
Not that I know of. Snake Plisken is best Snek.

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Both of them. You might like one more than the other, but they are both great.

>>144603327
The better version of what?

>>144603341
my life was terrible all the way through high school

>>144600847
>What went right?
The porn. I literally picked it up to understand what the fuck I was actually fapping to.

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>>144603185
Nah.

>>144601048
It was literally the same old Sawano shit he always makes, complete with German.

Nothing special.

>>144603605
There's barely any good porn.

>>144603030
Wow nice shit taste right there senpai

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>>144600847
This.

>>144603615
>that Nonon ass
Jesus.

Surpassed Gurren Lagann

>>144603742
Lurk more faggpt

>>144603768
How is she gonna fit all that? Luckily she has a big mouth

>>144603768
That ship felt forced and annoying.

Literally just the first 5 episodes.
Then it went from good to decent.
Than nui appeared out of nowhere and all the plot to follow was ruined.

It's incredible how much I enjoy the first few episodes because it felt the show had a solid direction and character motivation with just enough hint of backstory to keep you hooked.

Than it started feeling generic right with Mako's predictable story line. The monkey guy too was super predictable. It wasn't bad just somewhat generic with the exception of the presentation.
Than of course, the opposite, a completely unpredictable plot development which lead to a super lack luster transformation that never gets brought up again.
Nui completely ruined this show. Ryuuko lost direction, lost her way. There was no central theme or plot that the show was grounded on. At least with the dad thing I could feel like she was pursuing her goal and wanted to see her succeed, even if it was obvious Satsuki didn't do it.

Ryuuko's character motivation just completely shits itself. When she says she is battling for her friends on that one episode with tokyo tower I finally lost hope. What fucking friends? Mako, her family, her uniform? That is literally it. How the fuck could you play that trope super straight like that?

Her character development was the worst thing about the show.
If Satsuki was the main protagonist honestly the show probably would've met the hype.

>>144603858
You must have very low standards.

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>>144603768
>>144603866
>mouth

>>144603907
This isn't your blog anon.

>>144600847
The first twelve or so episodes before Nui appears and the quality of the show goes down the shitter.

Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can unironically say anything after Nui isn't a complete mess.

>>144603742
That's subjective. I have repeatedly been told I've got shit taste on the matter so perhaps my judgement has little value, but what I've found is compatible with my taste so it's fine.

I mean look at this: http://exhentai.org/g/731288/e6cc1f8340/
Fucking Hirame, makes my dick diamond hard every single time. I picked up Dagashi Kashi for the same fucking reason (the porn for that one is even better).

>>144603907
>MC sets out for revenge but then finds things she wants to protect
That's actually pretty common. Even Ninja Slayer played this trope.

>>144600847
The ost, character designs, voices and first half were great but it went to shit afterwards, it tried way too hard to be epic.

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>>144600847
>Right

Please consider sudoku

>>144603768
I know that people will ship everything, but I still don't get why so many fags pushed Mako and Gamagori so much, they barely interact.

>>144604043
It's not uncommon its just executed badly.
It would've been much better if they focused on Senketsu as the reason because they had a real good relationship. Make it out like people are trying to take over senketsu or some shit.
Than instead of her talking about friends as her motivation she could say senketsu and it would be really good for their characters.

What happens most of the time is the relationship with senketsu tends to stop or abate the plot line instead of pushing it forward. Like when she says she won't wear him again, or when she says shes disgusted by him.
One of the greatest moments of the first half is when Senketsu tells the sewing needles guy to fuck off. It was a great showing of how their relationship has tighten and actually pushed the plot forward instead of abating it.

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>>144603080

>>144603923
Explain yourself

>>144604299
>I know that people will ship everything, but I still don't get why so many fags pushed Mako and Gamagori so much, they barely interact.
duality

>>144600847
First episode.
Character design.
OST
The porn.

That's about it. It's a solid 3/5 show.

>>144600847
Episodes 1-7 are great.

>>144604299
the series ships them without any fans doin' shit

>>144600847
Everything.

Anyone hating it is a contrarian faggot or mad that their fan theories didn't pan out.

>>144604698
i love that the school ended up being a giant mech, even if the oav wasnt great

>>144604315
>Than instead of her talking about friends as her motivation she could say senketsu and it would be really good for their characters.
But she was talking about him, plus Mako was in the middle of the battle zone so it's just logic for Ryuko to mention her too.
And not wearing Senkestu didn't abate anything, on the contrary it started the whole Junketsu Ryuko plotline, what are you talking about?

>>144604683
They only started shipping them after the fandom said they liked the cople.

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Most of the plot was bad. I had no emotional investment in any of the characters because they were so damn retarded or bland, so the attempts to be "epic" and "cuhrazy" just fell flat. It felt like a generic anime trying to be another TTGL.

Nui was the cutest girl and the only thing I ended up liking about the show in the end.

>>144600847
Everything.

>>144605101
>all those bad opinions
>liking Nui
No surprise.

>What went right

The fact that you could differentiate who had shit taste based on what they said about it.

more so than most other anime

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>>144600847
Greatest love story ever told

>>144600847
It wasn't Nakashima's Getter Robo self-insert fanfiction like TTGL was.

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>>144604042
Exactly, that's literally the only good doujin.
>tfw no Pinvise Ryuko book

>>144605286
Instead it was his Cutie Honey feat. Devilman fanfiction, woah.

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>>144605417
Can Devilman be a cutie?

>>144604926
>she was talking about him, plus Mako
That's the problem. It should've been senketsu and maybe mako as an after thought. It would've meant a lot more. And its not like she was fighting to protect Senketsu because she constantly put him in harms way. Thats why they should've developed a plot line involving senketsu being in danger.
That relationship is what is really unique and good about this show and they just waste it. It should've been the new driving force of her motivation.

When I say slow the plot, I really should just say extends it. Anything can be plot if something happens but what it did specifically was stop the progression towards the overall plot end. It would've been fine if it happened once but it happened twice and makes the character dynamic worse off.
There needed to be more scenes of her talking about how she is doing this for Senketsu. If there was I guarantee the tons of people who hate the second part would be much smaller.

>>144605587
But Senketsu was in danger, it was scattered and Satsuki had the last piece.
And people say they dislike the second part because they miss the point of the show, and you do too since you say "it happened twice", which it doesn't.

>>144605587
Uh there is a plotline where Senketsu has to be rescued, the raid trip. It's also the arc that Ryuko realizes wearing Senketsu us what she truly desires more than anything. And when after the Junketsu crisis Ryuko tears off her own skin yelling she'd rather die than not be able to wear Senketsu, it's pretty front and center.

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TTGL is the best anime of all times
>interesting plot
>great animation
>amazing soundtrack
>character development
>badass MC
It's a masterpiece everyone will be talking about in 10 years.

>>144605844
Maybe for the first arc, the second is pretty bad

>>144605844
Thanks doc
Here's your (You)

>>144605099
[citation needed]

>>144600847
Thanks to it everyone realized trigger is a shit studio

>>144605824
>>144605817
First off, I mean a complete plot line. Something that is a driving force to the end.
As a reason for Ryuuko to have character motivation and as a central ground in the show so we as viewers can remain grounded and hold expectations.

Part 2 lacked a central theme or grounding force. Everything felt disconnected or directionless, which is what most people complain about this latter part of the show. You two realize that right?

Second off, that plotline where he gets scattered is what I was complaining about. It is a result of Ryuuko being stupid with her relationship and refusing to wear him. It felt stupid because it was just a plot device to have Ryuuko go to all these battles and retread already established character progression.
>it happened twice", which it doesn't.
How many times have you watched this show? I could say it happens three times if you count the very first time too where she doesn't want to "wear" him out of embarrassment.
And then again right before he gets cut up
and then when she goes "edge" mode. Not that I think its edgy but just as a reference point.
The plotline is tired. Worse of all it hurts the character relationship because the latter two times it happens makes it feel like a stupid plotline that feels like it resets her character progression.

>>144605099
They started shipping them from the moment they met when she stood up to him and he promised he'd remember her. It was also the first moment that humanized the devas and implied they weren't bad people.

>>144602092
>>144602257
Nui coming into existence threw the entire anime down a hole it only barely managed to crawl back out of in the final few episodes.

>>144600919
Came here for this

>>144601220
Hue animated that cut?

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>>144606412
I don't agree, the first time Ryuko gets over her embarassment to get to know Senketsu. The second time she is afraid of hurting him again by letting her emotions get to her and overcomes it when she realized wearing him is more important to her than anything. And the last time she is disgusted in herself and can't face him because he's her mirror bit because he's like her he shows her she isn't a monster. Ryuko and Senketsu's relationship is the main plotline, they overcome all their individual shortcomings and become better people through it.

>>144606008
Kill yourself moeshitter.

>>144606412
>Part 2 lacked a central theme or grounding force. Everything felt disconnected or directionless, which is what most people complain about this latter part of the show.
The central theme of the whole show is Ryuko's struggle with her identity, that is the centre of the narration through all the story.
Not wanting to wear Sanketsu is a metaphor of whater issues she's facing in a given moment that makes her doubt herself.
Her development never reverts and she never faces the same issue twice.
She first refuses to wear him because she's scared of losing control out of anger again and lost a real reason to fight. It's logical and not forced in the slightest after what happened. Then she refuses to wear him because she rejects her newfound identity. Again, different situation and completely justified.

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>>144606999
>implying Imaishi could ever make something even close to the masterpiece that is Lucky Star
He has to resort to milking the parent's money of children who loved TTGL back when it aired just to keep his studio alive.

Everything was great until Nui and the reveal behind life fibers and aliums and shit.

I would have rather had the second half be Satsuki and her academies facing off against Ragyo and her fashion corp with plenty of crazy "modern fashion" type clothing monstrosities and models to fight. Or something besides Covers. I dunno.

Episode 4

>>144607156
>implying

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Post a more memorable shot from the last 5 years.
Protip: you can't.

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>>144607483
Easy

>>144607156
Lucky Star was garbage, the only good thing Kyoani ever animated was Nichijou, and of course its fans hated it.

>>144607483
>Gamagori's size
Mako is such a brave girl

whats this horseshit with people saying mako is nui in the epilogue

stupid crack theories

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The first half of the series > The second half
Everything was pretty fun before Nui Harime's appearance, then it took a nosedive and things got a little too serious and generic

That, and Sharkgirl is best club captain.

>>144607600
He's not getting any, it's a one sided infatuation.
Mako only loves Ryuko.

>>144606951
>>144607049
Notice how one sided that is though.
It is always Ryuuko. It always leads to her not wearing Senketsu. Its not exactly the same, but the emotions, the results, all feel very similar.
You know what would've been great? If instead Senketsu was the one fucking around. Senketsu could be holding back or be the one who isn't confident in Ryuuko. Hell, the Zone flash adds more character to Senketsu character than what we get in the second half.

In regards to the central theme, its not that I doubt that is the meaning but that does nothing for us as viewers of an over the top battle parody show.
Going to Gurren Lagann, what held that show together was the theme.We wanted Simon to win through will power and mechs and he did. Despite the crazy shit that happens in the plot line, the viewers could still hold expectations and be satisfied when they are resolved.

The same with fooly cooly. Fooly cooly was fucking crazy and even if you didn't realize or care for the coming of age story, it still had the love story you wanted to see played out. You knew Naoto liked her so when the end comes and he confesses its feels good because you wanted to see it happen. You had expectations.

Where in Klk does the theme help give you expectations for whats going to happen? Only in the beginning with Ryuuko's dad do we have clear expectations that ground us despite the weird shit happening. Random shit happening without expectations loses its impact. 1500 char is too little

>>144607839
Fuck off yuri fag

>>144607962
I don't necessarely mean romantically.
But Mako never showed interest in Gamagori that way.

>>144607850
Senketsu's defining trait is his top husbando attitude towards Ryuko. But he still goes through a lot, he never loses faith in Ryuko but he is constantly pessimistic about himself, he doubts whether he isn't just a tool or a monster himself. There's a great scene from one of the drama CDs where he's pulling Ryuko out of the debris of the stadium and he curses being born a sailor uniform, just before the Junketsu arc. And just like in the end Ryuko realizes that she's human thanks to Senketsu's actions, Senketsu realizes he's just as human as she is because of her.

>>144608062
Mako is friends with him though, she just doesn't know how he feels because she's dense when it comes to herself. Hence why their last scene is Gama working up the courage to give her the flowers.

>>144607850
Senketsu isn't even a real individual through most of the show. As I already pointed out, he's a metaphor, a rapresentation of Ryuko's identity.The point they make in the last episode is that he eventually became a person that can act by himself and interact with others thanks to all they went though.
The struggle of Ryuko to find herself isn't really different from what Simon and Naota go through. And Kill la Kill isn't a parody either so I think your expectations were just off.

I'd rather watch the second half of KLK than watch the second half of TTGL.

Simon a faggy shit.

>>144608744
Senketsu is absolutely an individual, he mirrors Ryuko's development but his personality is completely opposite to her and he realizes some conclusions way before Ryuko (and some afterward). The point is that they're both real people who developed because of and for each other.

>>144608271
>>144608744
You're right, it would feel uncharacteristic if he acts like an asshole to her. Nonetheless, he really should have had some moment where he is antagonistic towards Ryuuko. The closest we get is when he is worn by Satsuki but that was overshadowed by Satsuki's development.
Perhaps they could've had a whole episode where he stops working or talking to Ryuuko because he feels like he's the one endangering her? Something like that. Just so we see a bit more personality and changes in character dynamic without retreading over familiar territory.

More about how important expectations were. The expectations is what makes the plot have impact. When you watch a murder mystery, the best part is how your expectations turn out.
>I knew he was the bad guy
>Holy shit, I can't believe it was this person who did it

During the first half of klk we had expectations. We wanted to see Ryuuko beat Satsuki and find her father's killer. Most of us probably expected Satsuki to not be the killer but we still wanted to know who it was it.
These expectations are what make the plot have a lot of impact. If we didn't care who the murderer was, how many mystery shows would be ruined?

I don't see where in the second half of Klk has that hook. I mean it does have expectations but they just aren't nearly as good as the first half. That's why people call it directionless.
Expectations are incredibly important. Gambling wouldn't exist without it.

>>144608062
If the little hamster knew he was into her, she would gobble up that tanned dick like her food.

>>144609361
If you want to reduce everything as its final goal, then it's to kill Ragyo, Nui and the life fibers, just as TTGL it's about defeating the Anti Spirals. The second part of TTGL is also much more of a rehash of the first part than KLK's one is, and the characters of TTGL are for the most part completely developed before the second part kicks off so from that point of view it's even more filler.
The only part of KLK that could be described as directionless are the episodes of the school trip before of the Life Fibers reveal, but Ryuko herself lacks an objective at that point, so that's completely intentional.

>>144609838
I would say that's the first time Ryuko is pursuing an objective because it's something she truly wants for herself. Not because she feels she's in the dark or some responsibility pushed on her.

>>144609313
I don't think the personality of Senketsu is the opposite of Ryuko's.
And during most of the story he's really more of an aid than a real character, showing more and more initiative as the story progresses, until the realization that he became his own person at the end.

>>144610055
Not having initiative is not the same as not being a real character. He realizes his own worth and self actualized over the course of the show, but he always had it. Ryuko doesn't win by herself, it's always their co-op that wins.

>>144609838
Its not about final goals, its about a persons expectations.
A person's expectations are based on what they feel is important or what they want to see as influenced by the show they are watching.

The expectation in Gurren was for simon and the gang to use will power to overcome it. We also expect bigger and bigger mechs. Gurren used those expectations to set up the TTGL name drop mech and simon using willpower, "spiral energy" to win.
Thats why despite the anti spirals not being a great villian a lot of people still enjoyed the latter part of the latter half. Their expectations were meant. Its also why people hated Rossiu in ttgl. The writing and the plot associated with Rossiu is actually really good. Its a more complicated and deeper tackle of the subject matter than anything else in the plot. People hate it because no one expected or wanted political bullshit with Rossiu. They wanted sprial energy and mechs.

I use gurren lagann not as an example of a great show but of a show that does expectations really well with a similar over the top vibe. Gurren lagann's weakest parts are the characters and I definitely rate it lower than most people. Even SOL shows have expectations. Expectations also doesn't mean it has to go the way people want it.

I will be back in like an hour.

>>144610407
I really can't share your viewpoint about "expectations".
If I only consumed entertainment to get what I already knew before going in, I would have stopped enjoying things a long time ago.
You pointed out youself how people hated Rossiou's arc, probably the only interesting part about the second half of TTGL, because it wasn't what they expected and didn't want to unterstand it.
Does that looks like a healthy way to approach a work of art to you?

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>>144610407
>>144611057
Honestly, I only like KLK because it went in a direction I didn't expect.

>>144611537
>Sentient Clothing Alien Overlords.
I'd be more surprised if you told me you expected that.

>>144600847
the episode that lit my heart up.

>>144611735
The alien clothing idea was really smart, just like most thing in this show just a merger of old stuff, in this case Devilman and 2001, but still very fitting.

It filled itself with so many stupid plot twists (IT WASN'T SATSUKI WHO KILLED RYUKO'S DAD, IT WAS THIS CHICK WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! BY THE WAY LIFE FIBERS ARE ALIENS! AND RYUKO IS MADE OF THOSE ALIENS AND ALSO SATSUKI'S SISTER) that it looped back to amazing.

>>144600847
>episode 3
>"wow that was a great fight scene"
>the episode grabs you by the collar
>OH NO NIGGA
>WE STILL GOT THREE MINUTES LEFT
>DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAYYYYY
still remains my absolute favorite moment of the series

>>144611877
Sing it now. Sing it loud.

>>144604683
Not true faggot. Nakashima said at the end of everything that their relationship wasn't written as romantic and there's no romance in the show.

So this >>144603768 only will happen in shipperfaggots minds.

>>144612168
SHA LA LA LA LA LA LA

>>144612225
Somebody asked Nakashima who Gamagoori got flowers for and he said "that's his lunch," so

The first few episodes are perfect.
Just rewatched the first one, it was even better than I remember.

>>144611917
There are way more obvious inspirations on the show than Devilman, so I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

>>144603907
>What fucking friends? Mako, her family, her uniform?

Yes? She literally had no one/nothing, just revenge and then found Mako and Senkets and then found something to fight for. Overplayed, but yeah.

Granted, the introduction of AYYYLMAOS finally ruined the plot (or whatever that was)

>>144612326
That is a joke response, they're not actually his lunch, they are flowers

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>>144612482
Maybe he wants more devilman crossovers. But they are too nsfw for Christian blue boards.

>>144612482
For the first half yeah, Utena, Cutie Honey, Kekko Kamen, Shameless School, Mazinger and the usual Dezaki stuff.
But the concept of the clothes in slumber and Ragyo's design are stright from devilman.

>>144612710
You're forgetting a certain school battle manga!

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>>144605417
>Instead it was his Cutie Honey feat. Devilman fanfiction, woah.

It can't be Cutie Honey if he literally wrote his Cutie Honey fanfic at Gainax, though.

Dunno about Devilman either, otherwise he wouldn't have gone full retard with the Aliums.

This was more like an Genderbent Otokojuku gone wrong with Kamen Rider.

Personally, I would have preferred if he kept the Otokojuku elements and mixed them with Devilman. He had the ingredients and he blew it. Imaishi didn't help either.

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I don't get why everyone's arguing about the plot like it matters. We all know it took a nosedive after the battle royale when they realized the story was going absolutely nowhere and it needed to end somehow.

The unique characters and batshit insane pacing were what made this show worthwhile. I hope y'all aren't new enough to not remember the threads when it aired. KLK was a fun, catchy, dumb show. It was hyped as all hell because people liked that, not because it was a masterpiece that aimed to change anime.

>>144612978
Blazing Transfer Student?

>>144613284
Yup.

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>>144612710
I love how the scene of Ryuko arriving at Honnouji's slums is basically a 1:1 of Joe's first episode.
I don't think I ever saw anyone pointing that out.

>>144613328
And Otokogumi.

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>>144600847
It resulted in one of the surprise highlights from last season.

>>144612710
There are a ton of shots in Kill la Kill that are reused near-directly from the episodes of Re:Cutie Honey that Nakashima wrote and Imaishi directed. No one ever seems to talk about it, though.

>>144611537
Oh, C'mon, almost everyone and their mother were expecting the aliens and space theme comming since the start of the 2nd cour.

>>144612548

Not that anon, but despite that he never said those flowers were for Mako. What he did say was what >>144612225 already posted. And that shipperfags are free to make their romance in their heads, but there's was never romance in KLK.

Also, apparenly Sushio is a waifufag for Mako.

>>144613284

STILL WAITING if someone scanned that crossover doujin that the mangaka of Blazing Transfer Student made with KLK.

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Is there any real reason why some people dislike alien clothing?

>>144613335

Almost all of the first cour was entretaining to watch because of stuff like that.

That shit was almost non-existant in the second cour.

It produced some quality memes and reaction images. Nothing more.

>>144614264
Not really.
Are you forgetting about Gamagori breaking through the original life fiber AT Field, for example? His Marvel inspired uniform?

>>144614170

Dunno about anyone else, but to me, it was the fact that they were "alien".

They could have gone with the religious or sect route and made the clothes from human sacrifices. Or having Senketsu's sould being Kinue's soul trapped in. Something more EVA-like or like someone else already said, more Devilman-like.

>>144600847
>bretty cool MC
>great supporting characters
>good music
>ass and titties

>>144614535
The concept is taken from Devilman, in the end it doesn't matter much if they come from outer space or from the middle of the earth.

Everything. I never watched on principle.

>>144614122
Wow, how hasn't it been?

>>144614122
I've never heard of that. Are there any photos or previews of it?

>>144613096
> I hope y'all aren't new enough to not remember the threads when it aired.

What? KLK threads were fucking awful while it was still airing. 90% of it was "saving anime" shitposting and contrarian bullshit.

I dropped KLK at like episode 6 or so when it was airing. It didn't really captivate me. It just got attention because it was the first big work by Imaishi's new studio.

>>144613096
>I don't get why everyone's arguing about the plot like it matters.

It actually does. The biggest flaw of the show was that the whole Life Fibers Are Evil Aliens plot was, well, stupid. And when they had to focus on that, it all came apart.

>>144615974
How is it stupid?

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>>144600847
Satsuki