One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my.....
Episode 116: 太陽と月の守護者 - Taiyou to Tsuki no Shugosha
(Guardians of the Sun and Moon)
As Yugo rushes toward one of Academia’s towers to rescue Rin, he runs into the "Keeper of the Eastern Tower.” At the same time, the "Keeper of the Western Tower" faces off against Kaito, who is trying to rescue Ruri.
Yugo learns that Rin is being held captive in one of Academia's towers, and rushes over there to rescue her. Standing in his way is the "Keeper of the Eastern Tower". At the same time, the "Keeper of the Western Tower" faces off against Kaito, who is trying to rescue Ruri. Can the two of them rescue Rin and Ruri!?
Script: 前川 淳 || Maekawa Atsushi
Direction: 児谷直樹 || Kotani Naoki
Storyboard: 児谷直樹 || Kotani Naoki
Animation Director(s): 蛯名秀和|| EBINA Hidekazu
>I feel bad for Reiji, does he ever catch a break?
poor sap needs an on-screen holiday at the very least. an on-screen,plot-relevant holiday. to the fusion dimension. maybe say hi to dad.
Oh dang drawfag is back?
If it's not too late can I request a very obviously evil Selena luring Yuzu into one of those "cardboard box held up by stick" traps?
What she uses as bait is up to you
>they're all playing Pokemon go
God damn it Kaz not you too
I was going to ask how did they get future tech but then I realize they used Duel Disks with life like holographic technology that is close to being hard light. A smart phone is nothing compared to the tech created in the 90's in the Yu-Gi-Oh world.
Holy shit Yugi looked pretty retarded but it was badass at the same time.
I can't for any reason find anything badass about this midget in the left, what the fuck is wrong with his design it looks like absolute shit.
>that Bakura, Rishid, Malik, Mai and Ishizu
Why weren't these people in Dark Side of Dimensions?
They'd look amazing in the new animation combined with Kaz's art.
So will we ever get VIZ scans for the rest of the manga?
Only the first 7 volumes.
>mfw there are still people who insist pendulums ruined the game
>when flip effects were made relevant for the first time
>when fusions were made relevant again
>when synchros were made relevant again
>when rituals were made relevant again
>when tribute summoning was made relevant again
>when normal monsters are relevant again
>and now fucking UNIONS were made relevant for the first time
Yuu's bonding/dating with their respective Ruri's when?
>Sora in cast
>No Crow, Reira, Reiji, or Tsukikage
You know what this means? This means that only Sora is returning and the others are just in 115's cast because they appear in flashbacks.
What's up with that? Unless Reiji, etc. actually do appear and Sawatari goes with them
>carding NEO NEW
He's gonna use that Extra Deck and defeat her
>Sawatari dies to Serena in Ebina animation
>Yuya and Yuzu are entertainers that like to get a lot of sun to tone their fit bodies
>Yugo and Rin are adventurers
>Yuto and Ruri are your average Japanese couple that do traditional Japanese things
>Yuri and Serena are like college roommates
Man, victory feels so empty when it is not how you wanted it...
I just wanted for Dennisfags to recognize that Dennis was way worse than Sora as a character and as a person, but I honestly didn't want him to commit seppuku.
I even tried to rationalize to my inner raging Sorafag by saying that Dennis was a coward but not even that convinces me that that was completely unfair of the writers.
Fuck this show.
How do the different series' anime and manga compare? Are the original's anime adaptations decent? How about the spin-off's manga adaptations? Any reason to take in both for any of them (besides the skipped chapters from DM).
Ah, OK. Thanks.
Since Sora is the only one coming back, I hope that they use him wisely.
Since as I mentioned before, I did want for the other Lancers to come back, I wasn't kidding about that.
To me, I believe the whole Shun issue would have been a lot better if they’d switch it with Kaito, have him tag with Yuya against the sisters overall his rage almost becomes his major downfall(like they did with Zexal and a major reference) until Yuya’s tries convincing him that what’s doing won’t help anybody. Even then after they would win Kaito would try to card them but then realizes it truly won’t accomplish anything then later have him risk himself to protect Shun and the other resistance. Overall, things would have been better in said area but I get that they’re also trying to reference Kaito’s apparent Gary Stu like action with him being in Zexal as unbeatable but it kinda messes the things Arc-V’s trying to do. Sure at first Shun seemed a bit of both Crow and Kaito but more balanced. All I’m hoping for would indeed be if Ruri(brainwashed or not beat him which very unlikely) or Shun appears later.
>Kaito is introduced
>goes through Shun's entire character arc in the span of 12 episodes
>is now tasked to save Ruri in his place
Is this what they call suffering?
Yusei may look edgy but he himself isn't edgy. He's a kizunabot and the second coming of Jesus. Well he's more of a anime depiction of Moses but he's pretty much a prophet of the Crimson Dragon.
>I just wanted for Dennisfags to recognize that Dennis was way worse than Sora as a character and as a person, but I honestly didn't want him to commit seppuku.
>I even tried to rationalize to my inner raging Sorafag by saying that Dennis was a coward but not even that convinces me that that was completely unfair of the writers.
Dennis was the sole-person that green-lit the whole genocide without giving a single damn about what he did and he mocked Shun in front of him during the duel he was found out, not only responsible for Ruri’s kidnapping, and as he said betrayed Yuya and Shun(who knew/speculated he was spy).
From Yushuo’s perspective it seemed like while Dennis did do messed up things he was still a student and tried his responsibilities as a teacher to help him out while trying to convince Dennis to leave Academia to try redeeming himself. Instead we get suicide via carding.
Dennis' "death" was his own easy way out of trying to make any sort of real redemption for himself. Say what people will about the Xyz arc rushness and Synchro arc's controversial pacing but I believe it’s message back try redeeming themselves by helping out the remaining survivors through and through rather they be forgiven or not. It also worked with Sora(even if it wasn't that great) he openly betrays Academia mostly for his relationship with Yuzu and Yuya while trying to make amends what he did to Tsukikage's brother.
Yuma is nowhere near better than Yusei. Yusei has more development than Yuma and his development stalled much later than Yuma who was just a brash idiot that couldn't do shit until a shinny blue alien came along and taught him how to get gud.
Because it's season 4 Judai who had his waifu's tastes imposed on him.
Dennis seemed to be under the impression that he couldnt go back to yuua and shun He probably knew theyd forgive him but he probably wouldnt have been able to forgive himself for betraying them
What the fuck are you saying, nigger? Yusei has literally zero development over the course of 5D's. Take off your nostalgia goggles and notice how Yuma went from being an idiotic kid to a capable duelist while Yusei remained the same all the way until the end.
Yusei's development is subtle but he did become a bit more relaxed and expressive as Yusei can get. Yuma started out as an idiotic kid and remained one until the very end.
I want to be the purpose that's mean but to me it didn't really feel as much as Vector actual pitting Yuma's forgiveness or finally realizing how completely naive he is. It also doesn't help that the episode previous to it he flat out played all of them except Nasch(who knew the whole damn time he was faking it and was already passed the point of ever giving him any chances). They're all their own person I get that, but there are also limits to how much you can easily forgive a person that messed up your life or tried to mess up your life in many ways.
Yuma has the most development out of every protagonist, followed by Judai. Then comes Yuya. Yuya did develop and much like the other protagonists his character arc revolves around dueling; he was a lousy entertainer in the beginning and the show went out of its way to show us that(he got beat up and went berserk when he tried to ENTAME against Kachidoki, he almost died when he fell on his neck after getting BTFO by Jack) and he's now a very capable entertainer. The thing is that his development just doesn't feel believable. His converting the whole Synchro Dimension to egao wasn't believable, his converting of Kaito and Edo isn't believable, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad character like some extremists claim, but it does mean that he needs to struggle again in order to become interesting like he was 30 episodes ago.
I'm going to rewatch GX
should I use the viewing guide?
How is Yuma the most developed when he stays the EXACT same throughout the whole show? He's still the same good hearted dumbass from episode 1 to the end. All that changed about him was his dueling skills.
this card has such a big fall from grace. it's sad, really.
something doesn't look right here.
wow, the shipping in gx starts fucking FAST.
I wouldn't argue that Yuma is the most developed (I don't see how that could be anyone but Judai), but he changed a lot from episode 1, so I don't know you're talking about. His development kind of plateau'd in Zexal II, but in Zexal I he came a long way from being a stubborn retard who was literally tsundere for Astral.
Except Yugi is way better and less annoying
goddamn, she is THIRSTY right off the bat.
also, I much prefer her dub voice.
oh, well yeah, sho can't compete with johan.
I also preferred this guy's dub voice, even if it was borderline racist.
and why the fuck do duelists need to learn ALCHEMY?
Alchemy is the power of Fusion, duh.
The Jounouchi one made me especially mad because Marik straight up lost the game, Jounouchi just passed out because of magic bullshit.
It's like if someone took a gun to a card game, shot their opponent, and then everyone else went, "OH, WELL, I GUESS YOU WIN!"
Silly anon I said no homo
He killed his friends, fused his soul with a herm spirit and was death for a day.
Also Johan (this mostly)
Everyone's eyes looks so shit in that picture
How did he change though? He just went through some struggles when Astral left him but other than that there's nothing else to his character. He's literally the same person he was at the start.
Sho is a backstabbing piece of shit who got pissed when someone who was actually supportive and useful say that he was the better friend, left his friend when he needed him the most, let his brother die and then steal his deck, and has a shit archetype that never went anywhere.
Yugi looks decent. Also I like the fact SM is his ace monster on the pic
You didn't watch Zexal very closely if you think that. In the beginning, he was stubborn to a rotten degree and disregarded other people and their help because he wanted to do everything on his own. He even went back on his word when he was dueling Shark because he was selfish and just wanted to win. As the show goes on, he learns to use his head and cooperate with people.
I actually am one of the few people who liked him better at the start because at least he was flawed and interesting. But he definitely changed.
>finds his own entamate duel
He's still just parroting his dad's ideals.
>Parroting his dad's ideals
Not really, his duel with Kachidoki Tyler sister had no mention of Egao or his dad whatsoever, it was him showing his entame to the sisters and Kachidoki. The only time he's parroted about the ideal in duel was against Edo.
Exactly, but his entame style of dueling is different to his father.
>Also completely the same
There are many other characters that believe in this as well. It isn't only a father/son deal.
The point is that his personality and ideals never changed. It's dumb to say he evolved as a character because he plays his cards a little differently.
It's even worse because we spent an entire arc with Yuya beating himself up over this shit, but basically ended up back in the same spot anyway.
He's not even a shit, he's just there to duel and be Jesus. The only one he could relate to in the cast was Bruno, and that was because he was the closest thing you can have to a living motorcycle.
That's not really character development.
And anyway, the only reason he's better as what he does is because the writers decided it's time for everyone and their mom to suck his dick. He's hardly doing anything different.
You haven't been following my posts. I never once said he was most developed. I don't even like Yuma.
But it's just plain wrong to say he didn't change. He sure as hell is more developed than Yuya, too.
Once Kaito get killed by Ruri. Or Rin. Or Yuri. Or Shun. Or Sayaka. Or Yuto. I'd even take Asuka killing him.
>all of Shingo's cards have finally been printed
>he's been in nearly every shot with Gon for a while now
>Gon is listed without him, and they're in close quarters to it isn't just distance
Sawatari is going to die, isn't he?
>aqua dolphin covering neos
Fuck, I laughed
Of course his personality and ideals arn't going to change as he strongly believed in making everyone smile though dueling. Jack had to spell it out to Yuya that he needed to duel his way to entertain and make people smile though dueling. There are many characters who have been inspired by this message and Yuya has influenced alot of people to find their own entame and now it was his turn and he did. Yuya evolved though his journey to not rely on the words of other but his own. It is okay he was inspired by his deadbeat dad but he did have to find his own voice in the matter.
Dude, that's not development. It's just the writers being lazy and suddenly making everyone fall at Yuya's feet when the actual character did nothing to earn it.
Also, there was good reason for his ideals to be adjusted a bit, because "I'm going to go into a war zone and tell people who lost their homes and families that they need to SMILE HARDER" is downright disrespectful. But ARC-V is running with it, it seems.
To be honest almost nothing in Arc-V has surpassed anything in any of its predecessors, with the exception of character design. And that's just from a purely aesthetic standpoint. Outside of doing a few things differently, it's a pretty bland Yu-Gi-Oh! It hasn't been even remotely as emotionally charging as its predecessors since Reiji vs Yuya 2.
>when the actual character did nothing to earn it.
Did you watch Synchro? His ideals were trampled on by literally everyone, but he still fought on to make people accept them and he ended up beating Jack.
>Yuya and Yuzu are the emotional core of the series with Reiji being the stoic rational counterpart
>HAHAHAH LET'S SEPERATE THEM IN HOTEL ROOMS
>HAHAHA LET"S WRITE REIJI OUT OF THE SHOW
This. I wish Yuya actually talked to and spoke with people when he was doing this egao shit. It feels more like he's talking at people than anything resembling a genuine conversation. It's especially jarring because Jack just said last arc, Duels are like conversations.
He did nothing to make people accept his ideals. He just won duels. He didn't change their worldview through hard work, hitting the pavement to see why they act the way they do and trying to understand their situation. He just kept pushing forward because he felt he was right and ended up fixing a class problem with one duel. He didn't even interact with people too often either because he was locked up most of the arc.
>His ideals were trampled on by literally everyone, but he still fought on to make people accept them and he ended up beating Jack.
But there is absolutely no reason WHY people should suddenly accept them. He didn't start doing anything better or change his methods or ideals.
The way they handle Reiji really is a crime. I get that he's the leader so he can't just act rashly and has to behave differently from Yuya for the sake of the Lancers and everything they're trying to accomplish. But I still wish a greater amount of focus was put on him and his activities and the duality between him and Yuya. They have, or had, a really good dynamic going and it sucks we aren't going to get to see more of it. Reiji versus Yuya round 2 honestly felt like just the beginning of an in depth exploration of the two.
His magical entame dueling is working now because the writers had to stupidify the villains from genocidal soldiers into mentally ill and easily amused children. Yuya didn't develop in the slightest.
In Synchro it makes sense, because he's the King and Synchro's will is something that bends to the Kings. His ideology defines Synchro's ideology by extension. That's just how their fucked up society works.
However it doesn't make sense in Xyz or Fusion.
Yuya stuck in egao mode. Yuzu lost any potencial development she could of had and is now just another Kotori. Sora went from psycho to nice again to jobber all off screen, Shun's entire character was sidelined in favor of a legacy character, Gon, Sawatari and Reji's development was killed in favor of bad writing, hotel rooms, legacy character shilling from Kaito and Crow, everybody in academia are extremely terrible even when they gang up on people
Arc-V after Standard wasn't a mistake it was a goddamn wreck. I can only imagine the next series being even worse.
No no no no no. That's stupid and opens up another whole mess of problems. The people of Synchro should hate the king system since Jack did nothing to help the commons. There is no reason for them to like him. If the king has as much influence as you say he does then people should have been trying to attack Jack for not helping them and instead sitting on his ass all day and night.
>because he's the King and Synchro's will is something that bends to the Kings
But what about that whole part showing how a lot of the Commons thought little of Jack and getting into arguments with his fans because he's done little to help the City? Although that major disagreement within the crowd came up like 2 times and conveniently went away.
Bitch this is YGO. Winning card games IS "hard work".
Sure, he sorta lucked into it, but still. Card games are the be-all-end-all. Don't let the fact that a few people decided to ignore card games fool you.
>I can only imagine the next series being even worse.
Depends on who writes it.
I hope they don't ask Ono and Kamishiro back after this. I'd even rather have Yoshida at this point.
>magically working for no real reason.
Nigga is trying to stop an interdimensional war from hitting his door steps. He's working for a reason and that is trying to stop the senseless violence. Yuya maybe just a kid but he's doing shit most adults would never try and that is find a peaceful outcome than more bloodshed.
But anon, in other YGOs, it's never been "just" the card games that convert someone. Duels are duels, but they usually also involve conversation and interaction and a clash of view points. Yuya never has meaningful interactions with anyone.
Those two literally haven't conversed in over 40 episodes. Since there's 20+ episodes left along with the writing staff giving up, their rivalry is utterly nonexistent. Every other series had the two rivals talk at least once every arc as well.
Yuya wasn't even king when people started sucking his dick and that doesn't wash away everything about Jack. Yuya didn't even give a speech or anything. He left before even talking to the people of Synchro so there is no reason for them to be so gaga over him. It's poor writing.
The problem is how the stakes are tacked onto the duels. When it's a good guy vs a bad guy (like a duel against a Barian or Dark Signer), and if the good guy wins, then the root of the problem is being remedied directly.
The City's problems as they were presented were clearly not in just 1-2 people's hands. But they were tacked onto whether or not Jack won the duel as if they were.
>even Bakura has more screen time than Reiji
What the hell is he doing? Bakura had small relevance in the first 2 seasons but season 5 is where he got good.
We're at the last arc and still so sign of Reiji anywhere
It's more believable when it doesn't involve real world implications. Arc-V deciding to take a real world issue with no mystical implications and straight up solve it with card games is terrible.
It's not about being edgy, you retards. Going "stop being mean to each other and just smile!" when there's a fucking war going on is absolutely shallow, unrealistic, and shows that no thought has actually been put into solving the problem.
Following onto this, it's the reason why most scenes don't seem convincing. An example that is upcoming to this is Yugo vs Rin. We only know Rin from flashbacks and at a minimal amount of flashbacks, which makes the tension and effectiveness of the reunion/duel boring.
Here's the thing, Yuya's actions are just beating people at card games and them suddenly agreeing to be good. Synchro had no reason to give a damn about Yuya defeating Jack expect the possiblity of seeing the once proud king be humliated like many of the other commons. It was fucking class warefare with a city wide riot, they beat a cyborg to death during said riot and clearly didn't care if they killed the tops kids as well, in fact, they were itching to in their own words "drag the tops down to hell" You don't calm emotions like that down just because some outsider put on a good show. You remind the "king" about the rules of this place and torment him and either throw the outsider out as a "thank you" for him allowing you to get your revenge or you subject him to the same treatment since he's not a topsie or a commons so nobody would really give a shit who guts him
then there's Xyz, these fuckers carded babies, old men who couldn't defend themselves, left families broken, surviavors desperate, straving and PTSD'd, destoryed the place and took massive pleasure in it. For a new world? If anything that was for a world for them and them alone, you don't call people you're trying to save fucking prey like those academia students did. Then Yuya shows up and suddenly because he bested their commander it's all good now?
There's only so much bullshit a kids show should be allowed to get away with and this is it. Fusion is even worse, these people know they have to capture and card these lancers and they not only stop after Yuya beats NPC=kun they fucking watch as they leave and give no shits.
Dennis suddenly caring about Shun or Yuya in what they think of him is yet more off screen "I'm a good guy now" development, Those feelings are hollow as shit when he did nothing but taunt Shun during their second duel and laugh at chaos giant tearing up the place. If they really wanted us to believe Dennis was at all conflicted they failed.
He's not trying to find a peaceful outcome. He's just telling people to stop fighting in the most juvenile way possible and it works. You know why most adults wouldn't do that? Because it's retarded and if someone is aiming weapons at you they have some type of reason. I'm sure the US has asked ISIS to stop multiple times. But that doesn't work because they are set in their ideals.
Kamishiro's proven they're a good writer when they want to be. I'm willing to bet that most of this is either Konami leaning in or Ono being a massive 5Dsfag. Could be combination of either.
To move on, resolve, and forgive is of course a good message.
But the way it's done in Arc-V is frankly a bit cynical, or not genuine. When Yuya helped Chojiro to ENJOY himself again and work out of a funk, that actually felt genuine. Back when Shuzo had his duel with Yuya to teach him something, that message felt genuine since you could feel that he cared as a teacher.
When egao is used so the writers don't have to put in any effort into resolving an arc, it comes across as insincere and tarnishes whatever they're trying to accomplish. These people are adults who have had extensive experience as writers in the industry, so there is no way they aren't at least somewhat aware of how they're using egao to excuse themselves from having to try, or using it to haphazardly tie things up after writing themselves into a corner.
But Yuya is ultimately right. Senseless bloodshed is a bad thing, and trying to stop the war as a child soldier is a noble act in itself, no matter how childish you think it is.
Yes, he is right. However, the fact that the enemies mindset changes after one encounter with him is the problem. Yuya's doing what he's suppose to do but that doesn't mean the bad guys should oblige to it just like that. I blame the poor writing and execution.
No, you're missing the point. People have complicated reasons for being in conflict, and simply going "Stop and be happy!" is patronizing and completely ignores the issues people are struggling with. If you want to find a peaceful solution, first you have to understand the view points of the people involved.
Instead of telling these genocidal maniacs to smile and somehow having it work, why don't we point out that Academia is indoctrinating these kids and their lives actually suck? And why aren't their any consequences for all the shit they've done to the XYZ people after they converted?
It's not about Yuya being wrong or right, he's right it's about convincing the other party that he's right in a realistic manner instead of pants on the head retarded acceptance. I'd like it somebody acknolwedges that Yuya's right but for the sake of the world this has to be done but they won't do that because god forbid we have an actual conflict in this story this close to it's end. The writers are fucking lazy, this might be the laziest writing in a YGO series and I'm ashamed they went this route after such a strong start. They turned what could of been a good grey story into a completely boring black and white story. What the fuck happened after episode 52?
Of course he's right. That's not the problem. The problem is how the show and the other characters handle him being right. He doesn't come from a position that has the right to tell people how to live their lives. He doesn't understand their anger and emotions. He came from a privileged background. He doesn't get why the commons are so mad or why the resistance in Xyz is so angry and blood thirsty. He can't empathize with their emotions. It's childish and handled fucking terribly.
Child soldiers trying to stop wars isn't anything new to anime btw. Uso is a child soldier done fucking right and Victory does a tremendous job of showing just how fucked up people from all sides are and how you can't just reason with everyone.
>But Yuya is ultimately right. Senseless bloodshed is a bad thing.
That I can't argue with you.
Although, the problem lies from the opposition. They can't just stop doing whatever they were doing after losing once to him. They need to give Yuya hardship to defend and justify on their own goals. Even early Synchro gave Yuya more hardship about his ideals than Academia did, which is quite sad.
Everyone it's a kids show created to promote the card game without any involvement from Kaz as he never wanted his but ultimately gave in. Of course antagonistic characters are going to convert to good. If you want a more realistic story but never dove into some social matters after the first arc then watch 5D's which is the more "adult" Yu-Gi-Oh.
Where do you guys go to read the DM manga?
I'm having a hard time finding the DM era manga to read, and kissmanga has shit quality
Please. I bet half the people here have already watched 5D's twice over however much you watched it, you patronizing goon. The problem is how it's executed, which has been laid out multiple times by now.
Even disregarding how villains act during and after conversion, there's been nearly fuckall when it comes to charismatic or entertaining villains with at least a little depth. The closest was Bennis, but he's tucked away in a card now.
Arc-V had the potential to make antagonist characters conversion convincing, but for some reason they just made them one-off threats. Literally the only villains heel turn that was convincing at the slightest was Sora.
Remember when people were actually surprised that Yuya and Yuto put their duel disks away and discussed things in a civil manner and how Yuzu simply talked since into Serena instead of dueling her to make her stop?
>still like the show
>unable to discuss the current episodes because of the bad vibes this thread gives off
There is clearly alot they wanted to do but time is running out and the show is to wrap up next year in March so they had to rush some things. Pretty much Synchro should have been shorter like 25 episodes or so to get to the main event that is XYZ and Fusion.
It wouldn't have even mattered that Synchro was 50 episodes if character interaction had been allowed to happen. Instead of a shitty tournament, we should've had a saga that involved the Lancers actually working together.
Wasn't Bakura ass the whole time, jobbing in every way, and only Zorc Dragneel was killing everything in sight for about 12 episodes?
>this is our revenge
don't worry faggoto, by the time ARC-V is over it'll already have surpassed your favorite show by miles
you can screencap this
shhh, let it die
we'll discuss it again in a year
No, he's great. He tried to push his ideals for 100 episodes and got BTFO as a result, but he finally has achieved the success he deserves.
>assuming things out of the blue
The way you talk is just so cringeworthy. I'm saying that you should take these so-called arguments back to Red dit where you belong.
I'm disgusted. I can't believe that of all scenes, this was good to you? Yuma basically said "I'll kill myself even though you killed all my friends and was just about to kill me again, I'll protect you." Yuya is slowly inching his way to become even worse then Yuma but I'll hold my tongue because I'm fucking nauseous right now.
>OP shows Shun at the tower
What a joke
I'm not defending it. I'm attacking you directly.
Nah, he talked to the people of Synchro on one or two occasions. They didn't like what they heard until he persistently kept winning out. Listen, what you're talking about IS bad writing, but in Synchro's Dimension it gets a pass because "winning to get your ideals across" is literally how things worked there. It's persisted though, and overstayed its welcome. I'm not saying I fucking like it, but it definitely can be excused in Synchro. It's this Xyz/Fusion shit that is unacceptable.
>but in Synchro's Dimension it gets a pass
No it doesn't.
>"winning to get your ideals across" is literally how things worked there
Show examples of that and wasn't that a problem the commons had in the first place?
You should talk about it anyway and laugh at all the butthurt faggots who got their hopes up that it would be the "best Yu-Gi-Oh! ever" when it was really their first series in the franchise.
>This isn't the time to be dueling!
>Then say that with your dueling!
>Odd-Eyes Saber Dragon episode.
>Everyone finally stops shitting on Yuya when he stops trying to pacify them and just blows his opponent the fuck out.
>Jack outright says at one point, no one is going to listen to someone who isn't fighting and winning.
It does get a pass in Synchro, because at least there, it's established that it's the society's fault. I'm not saying Synchro is fucking good or anything because it's not, but it's the dimension where Yuya's bullshit makes the most sense, so you can stop getting super defensive.
>And wasn't that a problem the Commons had in the first place.
Yeah, if I recall correctly it was. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying they should still be fucking angry, because we've established by now that yeah, the resolution of their riot was disappointing. They should have still been angry.
When people go to a length to dissect why they're dissatisfied with the current state of the show, it's because they genuinely care (or cared) for it, at some point or another.
If you're seeing it 24/7 (I come here only on the weekends usually) it can get tiresome, but there's no ignoring that people (including the nips from what I see on nico) feel like their favored characters are getting shafted, there could be more character interaction, some duels could have been a lot better, etc.
Tbh I didn't think Standard was that hot either (except for a few great moments), but Yugioh has almost always at least held to its emotional core. It's hard to have that when most of the characters that aren't nobodies are hardly shown interacting in any meaningful ways. Or don't get shown at all.
>It does get a pass in Synchro, because at least there, it's established that it's the society's fault. I'm not saying Synchro is fucking good or anything because it's not, but it's the dimension where Yuya's bullshit makes the most sense, so you can stop getting super defensive.
The whole solve problems with your dueling mantra doesn't work and has done nothing for the commons. They shouldn't believe in something like that.
>Yeah, if I recall correctly it was. So what?
They shouldn't fucking care about winning duels because that shit obviously hadn't been working for them before
I honestly agree with you. But his villain cred is shit because he couldn't win against ANYONE important. At least Thief King Bakura could have done some damage but nothing to note of I think.
In terms of average quality, I'd say it's still the best Yugioh ever. It's the only YGO series that's kept me entertained in some respect for its entire run aside eps 19 and 20.
GX had half its show crammed with filler.
Zexal was zexal.
5Ds had the entire WRGP situation
DM had shitloads of filler, and disregarding that, I didn't like Duelist Kingdom particularly much.
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Their entire caste system works because they all believe that the strong should rule the weak.
Hell, the only reason shinji wanted to rise up was because he wanted to be a tops citizen lording over commons.
Yuya doing his straight pendulum combo was an application of that which the city's never seen and it embodied a viable alternative that trumped the embodiment of their system, Red Demon's Dragon Tyrant.
I had fun watching him lose, so I guess it's good enough for me. Vector is pretty much like Bakura 2.0 though. He has that same kind of distinct flavor, but he ran through Merag and Durbe.
Arc-V is diseased, rotten to the core!
There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN!
And from the ashes, a new Arc-V will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make Toyetics great again! ...In my new toyetic, best girls and edgelords will die and kill for what they BELIEVE!
Not for money. not for card shilling! Not for what they're told is right. Every character will be free to complete his own story arc!
Lots of people fuck by that age and they're a cute couple. It'd be a little ridiculous to expect that sort of thing to be hinted in a kids show, but it's understandable that people would like some sort of hinting of that.
It's just average though, and that's a problem for me when I compare it to other series. In trying to be as smooth a ride as possible, it's sacrificed any semblance of identity. Its high points aren't ever high enough to justify its profound lows. It doesn't have a soul. It's the worst Yu-Gi-Oh! series because of that.
You can say what you want about every other series and its faults, but they were iconic and had their own individual merits. They were exciting. Arc-V is bland as hell, and it's extremely ironic that the series centered around a Duelist who wants to be an entertainer is the most boring of the five. It fails at being a drama. It fails at being a shonen. It hardly even feels like a Yu-Gi-Oh! series.
Did you watch GX or ZEXAL?
Did you watch GX or ZEXAL without meme opinions weighing you down? Because GX was a much nicer watch for me than Arc-V, and the same can be said for ZEXAL. ZEXAL was much more exciting.
Yeah. I am. I had taken a long hiatus from these threads and have only recently returned. The change in quality is fucking massive, I don't understand how anyone but the biggest stan couldn't see that.
Their caste system didn't work at all because the "weak" were living in poverty. There were people complaining about the poverty including Shinji. Shinji hated how the tops arrested people on false charges, Shinji told the commons to fight against the injustice that was being done to them. For fucks sake, remember his duel against Tsukikage. Shinji was a pretty interesting character early on. Before he turned into a retard. He had good arguments against the system. Yuya pendulum summoning against Jack had nothing on that. Shinji already wanted the weak to rise above their oppressors.
Bakura compared to Vector is like comparing a hot wheel to a honda. It's basically the same concept, but the entertainment value is lopsided as fuck. Vector also was actually a psycho, had gorgeous animation, and actual wins. Damn even a better voice actor.
Yeah cuz with ZEXAL we had bad guy rival turn into a good guy rival because ...?
Oh but the other bad guy rival turned into a good guy rival because ... something about muh otouto?
Now hold on I know for a fact that the first main villain became a good guy because ...muh family or something about some red alien?
Wait hold the fuck up, I'm telling you faggots that the villains who massacred the main character's friends including the one who massacred them too and tried to kill him multiple times AND the bad guy rival turned good rival who turned back into bad guy rival were all redeemed because ...?
>It hardly even feels like a Yu-Gi-Oh! series.
Agreed. Other series went pants-on-head retarded a lot of the time, but that was part of the franchise's charm and at least they were over-the-top in an exciting way.
ARC-V is a snoozefest. There's never any point in getting excited for anything because every character that isn't named Yuya gets shuffled out before they can do anything worthwhile, and every development that could possibly be exciting is somehow avoided. I have no idea how you take the concept of an interdimensional card game war and make an anime this stale and uneventful.
Fuck off. You always pop up with that retarded posting style just to restate what someone else in the thread already had, or posting something people already assume for themselves like it's more meaningful because you're the one to post it.
You can't just add "muh" and think it automatically trivializes things. All the villains in Zexal had their ties to their family/friends and their inner conflict actually shown in detail prior to them turning around.
Vector being redeemed was completely retarded, though, I'll give you that.
They at least had their personal reasons, no matter how shitty they were. It's not good, by any means, but it's better than turning because some fruity kid entered a warzone and told you to smile more.
If you trivialize anything like that, it'll sound retarded. Shark and Kaito weren't instantaneously converted to Yuma's side or anything. It happened over time and it didn't happen because Yuma told them to smile. It happened because he continued to be himself in the most genuine way possible and showed them kindness, again, and again, and again. And it wasn't even that alone that swayed their opinions of him. His determination to become a substantial duelist garnered their genuine respect.
Besides, Kaito was never really evil to begin with. He performed a bunch of heinous and depraved acts in the interest of helping his brother, but he felt terrible about them halfway through the first section of the series. He even openly admits this in ZEXAL II.
Shark was hardly evil either. His personality was the product of his family being destroyed, in a similar fashion to Kaito's. He was lashing out at and hurting others to numb his own pain, in the same fashion as a typical schoolyard bully.
I tried to watch GX a few years ago and dropped it at 81 eps and then skimmed the rest for interesting character focused eps. It just started getting too stupid and ultimately too boring for me to enjoy during season 2, which is ultimately unfortunate, since I could tell later on that the stuff in seasons 3 and 4 was of a generally higher quality, but by then I was too burned out after what I saw of season 2 to really care.
I marathoned zexal around the time it ended and while I managed to finish it, there were a lot of episodes I had to force myself through, particularly during the WDC. Probably would've dropped it at 29 if Anna wasn't introduced in that very ep. Watching yuma's stupidity have ultimately no effect on any part of the narrative due to the "astral dies if I lose" bullshit also took me out of the experience since he literally couldn't lose or the plot would end, and thus it lost any sense of tension for me whenever Kaito, Shark, the Arclights and about half the barians (Nasch, Mizael, Vector) weren't in focus.
And even then, the speed of Shark's turn to the barians really rubbed me the wrong way and practically ruined the character for me.
I won't deny Zexal having some high points, but it's too bogged down in its own bullshit for me to personally give it a pass.
Will the jobber duo of Xyz ever return.
I just want Allen to print more Trains.
>Synchro is still better than GX's first 100 episodes.
No it isn't. Hell no. Kaiser was more hype than anything in Synchro. Saiou was a better and more compelling villain than Roger and seeing Kaiser's fall into hell, Edo's whole character arc, Yugi's deck, Kaibaman, Manjoume Thunder, Camula's arc and the return of Ra was far better than Synchro. You're out of your mind.
I'd never say that GX handled its supporting cast well, but even the first 100 episodes were better about developing characters, having them interact with each other, and giving them a group dynamic than ARC-V during Synchro and beyond.
Explain what? You said that Standard was great and for no reason said Synchro was better than GX pre 101. Synchro didn't have enough content, character interactions, character development, villains or consistency to be better than early GX. Edo's arc alone blows away Synchro.
Synchro had much better moments, Roger was a credible villain(unlike Saiou) and Edo's character arc was the only good thing about GX's season 2.
The worst part was Judai getting the Neo-Spacians.
>Edo jumping around like batman and taking out criminals wasn't good
>Edo treating Kaiser like a child wasn't good
>Edo blowing Judai the fuck out while berating him wasn't good
>Synchro had much better moments
No it didn't.
>Roger was a credible villain(unlike Saiou)
Saiou orchestrated nearly every single thing that happened in S2 and gave us 0TK. Roger was a shitty duelist who is only known for losing his shit. Saiou went around defeating the main cast and caused a cult to rise on the island due to his influence. Saiou was able to force his cards to get their broken effects and took control of a satellite system. Saiou and his relationship with his sister was more touching than anything that happened in Synchro.
>Roger was a credible villain, unlike Saiou.
Almost every move Saiou made went in his favor. He was in complete control of everything important and he almost razed the surface of the planet. Every thing Roger tried to do went terribly. You honestly must not remember GX very well or you're biased towards Roger's design if you think Roger beats out Saiou.
Edo's character arc made up the bulk of GX's second season, but it had other great moments like with Judai versus Manjoume. Also the Neo-Spacians were cool and Neos was a total bro.
>Saiou went around defeating the main cast
Yeah, because the main cast wasn't full of fucking jobbers except Judai. Really impressive.
Roger had a mystery surrounding his identity. It made him threatening.
>Yeah, because the main cast wasn't full of fucking jobbers except Judai. Really impressive.
Well it wasn't. Manjoume, Kenzan, Edo? That's a pretty big deal. He 0tk's Prince Ojin too.
Roger never beat anyone. A mystery surrounding someone's identity doesn't make them threatening. It makes them interesting for a little while. Saiou was much more interesting and genuinely compelling.
>Roger had a mystery surrounding his identity. It made him threatening.
I thought Roger's identity was pretty obvious from the start
Maybe it was the purple outfit he wore than just screamed Fusion
Yeah, he worked for Academia. Whoop-de-doo. The writers still didn't bother to explore why he left Academia, what his relationship with Leo was, or what even compelled him to join the ranks of Academia in the first place.
All we got was a power-hungry villain who turned on his own people with no depth to it.
Honestly? There was never any sort of mystery as to who he was or what his role in the story would be. His exact character could be pinned down at a glance, and anyone who was familiar with 5Ds knew he was Synchro's answer to Godwin and therefore would be an antagonistic figure. An antagonistic authority figure with a sketchy background. You could look right at his face and tell from the get go that he was going to be that guy, that guy who wanted to maintain a position of power over Synchro and wasn't really concerned with Fusion or the other dimension's doings.
Asuka was one of the only two besides Judai that actually beat a Seven Star.
Saiou never dueled Sho, Asuka, Misawa or Chronos. Manjoume is also pretty strong, he's not the biggest jobber. He consistently loses to Judai, he lost to Asuka, he lost to Amnael, and he lost to Saiou. He has a lot of duels though and he wins the majority of them.
Just because he wasn't taken as seriously in the anime after being humbled doesn't mean he's a jobber.