ITT: """""villains"""""

>>144583997
>murdered every criminal regardless of what they did
Anon please.

>Villain.
>Did nothing wrong.
There's a logical fallacy somewhere.

>>144584044
>Reduced the world's crime rate by 70%
>Killed criminal scum who were only burdens to society
>Literally just wanted a world where crime didn't exist
>Implying he wasn't the hero we needed and deserve

>>144584069
I guess Anon.

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What's with people keep putting that many quotation marks around a word lately??

>>144584091
It's a /v/ meme

>>144584044
>killing people who deserve punishment is bad

>>144584044
Pretty sure he killed those whose crimes he knew were heavy.

>>144584044
so does Deadpool

>>144583997
Griffith

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>>144583997

>>144584291
I will kill you tumblr fag!

>>144584069
>Literally wanted to kill off all the 'lazy' people

You do know you're wanking off to guy who would probably have you on his 'to eliminate for a better world' list, right?

>>144584396
>Literally wanted to kill off all the 'lazy' people
You're thinking of Mikami.

This thread AGAIN?

Light was wrong because his whole system is wrong.

He still needs a police force/investigation department to get to the crimes and determine who's the perp. That not only raises the uncomfortable question that he certainly killed dozens of wrongly convicted people and would continue to do so, but also the question of a democracy ruled by the "We the People", meaning: If the police force is the one catching and assessing the crimes/criminals why then leave the sentencing to a shadowy authoritarian ruler rather than the judicial system that answers to the people?

Basically if you believe in free will and ruling by the people for the people you have to admit Light was a direct threat to that philosophy and if you do support Lights methods you favor government control over your life and delegation of responsibilities and duties, which isn't necessarily wrong, I just rather the alternative and that preferably you did not have power to decide stuff in my society.

>>144584283
Not an argument.

'Light should've won' edgelords are hilarious. I'd give anything to have seen the reaction here when the manga's ending came out.

>>144583997
Well, for starters, he got caught.

>>144584258
Yes you fucking retard

>>144584445
Light agreed with him. He just thought it was too soon to start doing it.

>>144584396
>Literally wanted to kill off all the 'lazy' people
They never explored that point, so I assume it is written out.
>>144584519
>he certainly killed dozens of wrongly convicted people
And this was never written in. Do you seriously believe that people can be wrongly convicted in a shounen manga that panders to Japanese police?

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Great person with a great heart.

>>144583997
>"""""word"""""
Can someone explain this meme to me?

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>>144585353
>And this was never written in. Do you seriously believe that people can be wrongly convicted in a shounen manga that panders to Japanese police?

This is such a dumb retort. I can write a story about a guy that saves the world by implement full blown communism and everuthing wors out fine because it's my story and I say so. Or I can even write a story in which mandatory pedophiliac rape saves society because it's my story and I depict an utopic pedophile rape society where nothing "bad" ever happens.

The truth is, these problems are inherent to the ideas and if you want to have an honest argument about it you can't just pretend the problems don't exist because the anime doesn't show them. That means nothing. Using those rules ANY idea or philosophy can be "right".

>>144585630
>story in which mandatory pedophiliac rape saves society
It would though.

>>144583997
He lost himself briefly against L when he got blown the fuck out, but he really lost it when he killed the detectives. Light is a piece of shit.

>>144585677
Exception to the rule.

>>144585630
>these problems are inherent to the ideas
And police being unable to dowrong is inherent to morals Japanese are taught. Lurk for two more years before posting.

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>>144585076

>>144585827
How old are you? Be honest.

>>144585630
>I can write a story about a guy that saves the world by implement full blown communism and everuthing wors out fine because it's my story and I say so.
No, it works out fine because communism is right. Oh, wait, ar you an amerifat? Opinion disregarded.

>>144585906
Not american. Communism is fundamentally wrong when you factor in natural human behaviour.

Also it's immoral.

>>144586003
>.png 2.61 MB
>not having at least 10 jpgs with the same viewing quality

>>144585965
>It's immoral because I said so.
Yes, yes, everyone has aleady got that you are self-serving capitalist swine, you don't have to ascertain that over and over.

>attention seekers with the edgy bait

>>144586171
No, it's immoral because in order to implement communism you must steal labor from people. I hate to point out the obvious but theft is immoral. Also communism rewards lazy, worthless pieces of garbage and punishes hardworking productive people. That is also immoral.

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>>144583997
TTGL is the greatest anime of all time and no one can convince me otherwise

>>144586358
You have just described capitalism. Stop embarassing yourself, you look like a whiny child.

>>144586523
Episode 4. There, you can stop now.

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>>144583997

>>144585965
Not necessarily my opinion, but many leftists argue that the "natural human behavior" you're talking about is not actually natural, but a product of society and ideology, so it can be changed in the long term if capitalism is replaced.

>>144584275
>>144584258
>>144584069

Real talk

Light started out as arguably admirable. He did kill criminals that arguably deserved death. Who were both threats and drains on society.

However we all know there is inherent problems from the start.

One of the biggest oppositions to the death penalty is all about justice. Killing a single innocent person is not justice, so if there's even a chance some of the inmates on death row are innocent, then killing any or all of them can be seen as immoral and unjust.

However at the very least we can argue he was choosing the lesser of two evils to build a better society by overlooking this fact. He did stuff wrong, but more good than bad.

That said people forget prisons are not meant to punish but rehabilitate. Unfortunately US and lots of countries forgot that key point and punish which increases the rate at which people will continue to be a criminal.

That said light devolves into killing innocent people directly, trying to kill law enforcement, and killing people for lesser crimes. A person who stole out of desperation and got caught (I.e. stole money to feed their family) could be argued to be a good person as well, yet light eventually kills him to. A person who copes with depression with pot or other drugs but get's caught doesn't deserve to die. They deserve help.

Not to mention eventually Light starts threatening nations, and eventually wanted to move from criminals to "lazy people" and eugenics on a mass scale.

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He did nothing wrong.

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Posting anyone but pic related

>>144587461
Of course he did. That doesn't make the humans any better. They're both gray in that sense.

>>144587424
>Real talk
stopped reading there normalfag

>>144587290
if we're talking ideal communism, then ideal capitalism would still be fundamentally better

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Serious answer here, all he wanted was his country to be prosperous but some selfish cripple had to fuck everything up

>>144587277

That is because they never ever succeed in doing anything.

>>144587277
>>144587674
Attempting to do evil is still evil dumbass

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>>144587277
>cheer for brat boy when he's doing something important or trying to overcome something
>though they have tried to kill him without a second thought countless of times
>sometimes theses things even happen back to back in the same episode
They're doing something wrong.

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>>144587966
>Nothing wrong
He's an Uchiha. That's wrong enough.

>>144585474
people use it when they're being ironic or whatever

>>144584091
Nao isn't a villain.

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>>144589259
Literally a murderer.
Thats a pretty big wrong in most societies.
He didn't even get away with it

>>144587277
They never did anything right either.

>>144589325
He was defending himself, jotaru is the bad guy not dio

>>144589801
Your forgetting the part were DIO was trying to take over the world or did I imagine that part

>>144584333
Can one of you kind anons show the way back to /pol/ to this retard?

>>144584091
>he doesn't know the """"""meme""""""

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One of the few villains who literally did nothing wrong.

>>144584967
This

>>144583997
I

>>144589882
He's right, though.

This "did nothing wrong" meme needs to die already.

>>144590156
It's not a meme if it's true.

>>144590296
killing people is bad

>>144590385
only if you're human.

>>144589869
He was joking and now shut the fuck up dio did nothing wrong

>>144590385
That's a naive and facile perspective to look at the world with. It's not as black-and-white as you think.

>>144583997
The mindset he made upon killing fake L was the first moment he went wrong.

>>144587019
I just pointed out a fact. Not whining.

Communism asks for the confiscation of all wealth in the state by the government and subsequent redistribution. What this necessarily means is that if you sit on your ass and do nothing you get the same amount of stuff as anyone else. It also means if you work a lot and thus produce a lot, you still get the same as everyone else, since anything and everything you produce belongs to the state and the state is the one that destributes the resources.

This is a direct punishment for productive people and also a direct reward to unproductive people. This is a fundamentally disagreeable philosophy.


Also, stop talking about capitalism. You are the only one mentioning it.

>>144587290
>>144587603
Even if you do the amazingly unrealistic assumption you can change human nature to get utopic communism it is still fundamentally immoral because there will always be people who produce more and are more important to society than others, thus theft will always exist in a communist society no matter how utopic it is. In my opinion if enforced theft is a staple of your society it autamtically ceases to be "utopic".

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>>144590588
Pretty ironic.

>>144589801
You realize that there is a part with Dio BEFORE part 3 right?

>>144590296
Alright retard. Try to defend the guys posted here. If you can't then quit spamming this stupid meme thread.

>>144583997
>Killing shitload of innocent people
>not wrong

>>144585424
He was a victim of his Monstrous """"""""Mother"""""""

>>144585906
Fuck off communist pig, Uncle Adolf should have wiped you Jews and Bolsheviks all off

>>144590733
Get your head out your ass and stop taking yourself so seriously.

>>144587277
Top kek

>>144590624
Communist approach: you do what you can, you get what you need.
Capitalist approach: you do what you can, some fuck gets what he needs.
The only people who spout bullshit you spout are the ones who are comfortable living off others. But you know, the ones who ore irnorant to others' suffering are also the ones who scream the loudest. I wonder how loud would your dying scream be.

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>>144590649
you do realize that i post a picture of part 3 dio right?

>>144583997
I thought he was the protag.

>>144591523
>Communist approach: you do what you can, you get what you need.
>Capitalist approach: you do what you can, some fuck gets what he needs.
What a fucking platitude. Just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>144591220
He would wipe you if not for us. Oh wait, he is about to get you from the grave: Europe today is getting more and more ill with nazism.

>>144591687
Protagonist and villain aren't mutually exclusive

>>144591758
>Europe today is getting more and more ill with nazism.
It's the other way around you dumb nigger
Europe is getting more and more infested with sandnigger due to Jews promoting multi-culti bullshit

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>>144591865
Yes and here we have a likely white American on an anime discussion board saying multiculturalism is a bad thing, see the irony in that friendo

>>144592002
I'm from Europe you dumb shit
And multiculturalism IS BAD you fucking tumblrwhale

Go back to >>>/tumblr/ bitch

>>144591865
Have you ever heard of conservation laws? The stronger yor "multi-culti" is, the stronger the opposing force will become. They will blow up in your face in no time.

>>144591865
>>144592163
Oh, almost forgot, you look like a /pol/tard-tier nationalist. Don't you deny your own existance.

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>>144592270
>existance.
>Liberal intelligence

>>144592163
>>144592270
See >>144592143

>>144591523
>Communist approach: you do what you can, you get what you need.

And that's wrong.

Let me use this example: Imagine we are both doctors. We are both employed in the same hospital. I'm a much better surgeon than you, maybe I studied harder, maybe I'm just smarter -- Who knows? Point is my surgery success rate is 95% and your's is just 57%.

Because of this patients overwhelmingly choose to be treated by me over you or other surgeons n matter how long they have to wait or how much they'll have to pay. The end result is I have a much heavier workload per day and save the lives of 200 people a month and you have only one surgery every other day and save only 6 lives a month, you also botched a few.

Despite this, because we are in a communist state you get the exact same paycheck as me.

Is this fair?

Also what incentive would there be for me to keep being as good? why would aspiring doctors study as hard to get their license? Why wouldn't I just botch my surgeries to stop patients from coming over to me? Why would anyone even try?

>Capitalist approach: you do what you can, some fuck gets what he needs.

First, you're still the only one mentioning capitalism. Second, that's a huge misrepresentation of the ideology.

>The only people who spout bullshit you spout are the ones who are comfortable living off others.

You don't now me. Stop projecting.

>But you know, the ones who ore irnorant to others' suffering are also the ones who scream the loudest. I wonder how loud would your dying scream be.

Watch that edge, anon.

>>144592143
>>>/pol/
>Fuck multiculturalism
>discussing anime, Japanese media
Do you see the irony or are you that blind

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Lelouch did nothing wrong.

>>144592420
There's a difference between appreciating other cultures from afar and literally mashing a bunch of different, inherently incompatible cultures together and expecting the results to be anything but disastrous.

>>144592389
>utopic communism
>paycheck
Already on the wrong track there, m8.

>>144592389
>And that's wrong.
No that's what it is. Your example is either a blabber of someone whe never understood what communisn is or a piece of capitalist propaganda. In both cases you are not fooling anyone, self-serving capitalist leech.
>You don't now me.
I know what you showed to everyone in this thread: that you are self-serving capitalist leech.

>>144587566
Well, the only "mistake" in his plan was bad luck. Morally arguable but his tactics were godlike

>>144592389
>>Communist approach: you do what you can, you get what you need.
It's supposed to be this way:
>You do to the fullest of your abilities, you get the minimum of what your need.

>>144592550
t. guy frequenting a board consisting of a mashup of different, inherently incompatible cultures

Can we talk about cartoons I come to /a/ to forget about the shit going on around me

>>144589259
BANE ?

>>144592420
Not that anon, but you two seem to be using two different definitions of "multiculturalism".

Usually /pol/ isn't against the existence of many cultures. Far from it. Actually by forcing or incentivising all different ethnicities and cultures together you'll end up erging them all into a one world culture. Meaning the de facto death of the mere concept of "multiculturalism" (ie many cultures). By promoting homogeny and keeping the different cultures and ethnicities you will preserve the many cultures we have and leave them relatively untainted. This obviously doesn't mean you can't go on vacation to wherever the fuck you want to to appreciate the different flavors around the world. Some may even choose to go live into other cultures. That's all fine, and actually this is the only way in which this is even possible as globalist multiculturalism means no matter where you go, everything will be the same apart from maybe the landscape/climate.

>>144584258
This.

Lots of evil in the world and lots of people who do not deserve existence.

What's startling is that a lot of people on 4chan think Light is the only vigilante, or even popularized vigilantes.

>>144592871
You cannot judge God. Everything that God does is good.

>>144592964
Light wasn't a God, either.

>>144592994
He *considered* himself one. So it was only natural for him to do as he please.

>>144584051
OP should have added some more quotation marks.
He was way too subtle.

>>144592755
>from afar
Do you not comprehend the fundamental difference between the Internet and the real world? One is virtual and intangible, the other is the actual reality that you and me occupy. Me and you are never going to see each other and our paths are never going to cross. Multiculturalism being applied in real life means people who have been taught and raised in conflicting beliefs and values are in close proximity to each other, meaning there are actual consequences to be had, unlike on here.

>>144592964
Which God are you talking about here?

>>144593052
Sure. Megalomaniacs usually do that. Not sure what this has to do with my original post at all. Polite sage since this is clearly going nowhere.

>>144593110
Stop responding to shitposters.

>>144592862
Have you visited a heavily populated city before, there are many differing cultures forced together and they aren't all homogenous. Take nyc for example you can find most cultures and they've all been around each other for decades and the worst is that you get area of of them melding to form unique cultures altogether, while I do agree we shouldn't all be jammed together but sharing of culture and ideas allows innovation and new ideas to blossom

>>144584069
>Got his father killed.

>>144593175
We shouldn't swear off the idea of sharing space with people who have diferring ideas is all I'm trying to say

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>>144593146
Delete this

>>144592686
The "paycheck" in this case is a symbol for your reward.

Nice try at dodging the argument though.

>>144592711
>No that's what it is
>Reading comprehension

I know that's what it is, And I'm saying that is wrong, as in, I disagree with it.

> Your example is either a blabber of someone whe never understood what communisn is or a piece of capitalist propaganda.

No, my example is a perfectly reasonable, if slightly exagerated for the sake of argument, depiction of a possible scenario under communist rule.

> self-serving capitalist leech.

Coming from a communist, that's really funny.

>>144592751
I disagree. I think you should get what you make for yourself. If I produce more, and society finds it valuable enough to buy my labor I earned it. If I don't produce, there's nothing for society to trade with, thus I don't get shit.

Can we delete /pol/ already?

>>144593258
>I disagree.
It's just how it worked here in ex-USSR for 70 years.

>>144584333
Fucking knew it, came here expecting this

Kek

>>144593110
Ok, then lets jump a few decades into the future, where we are doing this talk in a VR enviroment and for all intents and purposes the barrier between what you do in the "real" world and what you do in the internet (communication wise) is very small.

What now? Even if your desire to keep culturally aligned people separted on a physical layer you will get heavy mingling of these people on a matter close to real life as means of communication advance.

Clinging to it like a little child instead of combating the arising problems in advance is nothing but stupid.

>>144593258
>The "paycheck" in this case is a symbol for your reward.
You are already wrong with the concept of "reward" thats what Im telling you.

>>144593175
The point is EVERYWHERE will be that leftist "one murder a day" shithole.

> but sharing of culture and ideas allows innovation and new ideas to blossom

Citation needed.

Almost all great inventions I can think of don't seem to have any relation to the meshing of different cultures.

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She did nothing wrong.
One of the most practical characters I've ever seen. Until authors drops that in 11 episode or so.

>>144593379
Neither modern math, or medicine, science, or psychology would be as developed as they are if it wasn't for the sharing of ideas between the middle east east Asia and western Europe friendo

>>144593337
And look how well that worked out for everyone under USSR rule! :^)

>>144593360
>You are already wrong with the concept of "reward" thats what Im telling you.

When you get paid, either with goods, services or currency, that's a payment, that's a reward. Unless in your utopia people can magically conjure up their goods and services from a mysterious ether, someone will have to provide them for you. That's a reward.

>>144593379
Also you ever hear of this thing called art people sharing ideas is pretty damn important to that

>>144592420
Multiculturalism is armonizing everything into a single greyish ugly mess, according to the false premise that different cultures can peacefully coexist and therefore be combined without problems.

Different cultures are amazing, each and every one of them, exactly because of their very diversity - they are to behold, not to mix together.

>>144593479
Exactly my point. It's because of the philosophy and ideology that was nested and held in the middle east at that particular time in history that they came up with the now universal numeric system. Sharing ideas and information is completely separate from the globalist multicultural question. Going back to that numeric system, we europeans ended up adopting it because we aknowledged it's superiority in working with maths. At the time we weren't integrated, quite the contrary, we were constantly waging religious wars, but we still had that exchange of ideas.

>>144593497
Is it that different to comprehend?
In an implemented utopic communism the concept of reward doesnt exist because it is not longer required. Its not a reward if it is apriori guaranteed that you will get it and if its independent of what you do. And thats also whats leading you to your faulty argument.

Communism as an ideal is basically defined to be the perfect and ideal state, which makes it at the same time absolutely unachievable.

The point that an implemented utopic communism (which is an unachievable premise, but lets disregard that for aguments sake) is not a faulty system by its very definition.

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>>144593497
>And look how well that worked out for everyone under USSR rule!
Worked well until a certain shithole(pic related) hadn't come to rule the USSR.
Communism made my motherland great again. Made she Superpower from decaying corpse of the empire.
And now look at Russia now. It's almost the same decaying corpse it was in the late 10's.

>>144593515
>>144593698

Light had good intentions

>>144593776
Good intentions is the road to hell.

>>144593360
>Ok, then lets jump a few decades into the future, where we are doing this talk in a VR enviroment and for all intents and purposes the barrier between what you do in the "real" world and what you do in the internet (communication wise) is very small.
That's just a hypothetical scenario that sets itself up for too many variables. I'm talking about the the here and now, and the real, palpable effects on society that multiculturalism has yielded:

Things like the violation and abuse of women by those from a completely different culture that teaches them women are inferior and must submit to them,, the constant attacks on innocent people by those from a different culture, perpetrated in the name of a different belief that teaches them anyone who doesn't adhere to said belief doesn't deserve to live, the restriction and dilution of native cultures that are done in order to appease those from a different culture, etc etc.

That's no bogeyman and it's not hypothetical. These things are actually happening, right now, and they are all derivative from the notion of multiculturalism that has been pushed down people's throats for over a decade now. If different cultures are made to mix and mingle to such an extent, then eventually violence will occur. It's just common sense to know this.

>>144593698
If we act aggressively towards those other cultures tho we'll discourage the sharing of new ideas I'm not saying we all need to be one but we need culture mixing on some level or at least to stop acting like people from another place are monsters when in this modern world we rely on each other especially economically

>>144583997
>AKA retard general

>>144591035
>did nothing wrong
>ruined the ending of Shaman King

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>This thread

>>144593699
Just because you chose to change what you call something doesn't mean it ceases to be that thing.

You have to eat. Unless you are a farmer or a herder or a fisherman, someone will have to provide and grow that food you eat.

Some farmers will produce more than others. Every farmer will eat the same. You see the problem here?

If the wealth pot of any given system is 100 and there are 10 contributors, and everyone gets 10 pieces of the pot, unless everyone contributed 10 to the pot theft will necessarily happen. Bottom line.

You can choose to believe that's a necessary immorality for the greater good and that's your problem, but you can't deny there will always be theft within Communism.

>>144593712
Yeah, tell that to all the prosporous nations from eastern europe.

Communism was a failed experiment. Now it is clear what the flaws are with it. You are free to aknowledge them or ignore them.

>>144593863
>lets not think about the future but only about the now! - the post
Since this very discussions has already occured over a thousand of times I dont feel like typing it out all again, but you guys are seriously retarded if you think its the right way to forever struggle to stay in some kind of fictive pre-globalization past instead of moving on and preparing for the future.

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>>144592504

>>144583997
light literally killed an innocent man and attempted to kill many more innocents because they were in his way.

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>>144594042
>Communism was a failed experiment.
Communism works well for Motherland. Like democracy works well for the USA. What fails is the intention to spread communism or democracy to others.

>>144594042
Its not theft if it never belonged to you in the first place :^)

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>>144591550

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I feel like I've had to defend this man more then any other

if i had a death note i'd burn it tb h

>>144593904
You fighting a ghost. No one said to be aggressive towards other cutltures or depict them as monsters. I'm not even saying that you can't go live in Jpan if you prefere its' culture and society. Just don't force it and don't promote it and people will naturally converge with their group.

This does not mean you can't be friendly to outsiders and share knowledge and information with them, the opposite actually.

Look at Japan, they're one of the most homogenous countries on the planet, and look at all the stuff they now have that was imported from, in this case, western society. In some cases they even surpassed us on some industries and now we're the ones importing and learning from them. This is all fine.

>>144583997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GNqQ7N5aAM
He didn't swimming so good.

>>144594019
It really has become disappointing.
>this handful of literal underage children who lack basic elementary-school English ability

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>>144594210
So you'll be fine with me going into your room right now and take your anime machine, right? We're all comrades anyways, right? :^)

>>144594181
The point is we're not talking about working or not (whih incidentally communism doesn't work) we're talking about right and wrong. Communism is wrong and immoral.

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>>144594311
Eh it's about as shit and edgy as these threads usually are just a different kind of edge

>>144584044
>>killing people who deserve punishment is bad
What is wrong with that? If you hunting on other people you deserve only death. Stop advocating criminals.

>>144594394
>edge
>edge
>edge edge edge
Could you corral your brethren and head back over to /v/?

>>144594088
>lets not think about the future but only about the now! - the post
Stop it. Using a strawman like that won't make your argument any more valid. Greentexting my post and summarising it through trivialising misrepresentation just makes you look like an immature kid.

But how do the events that transpire in the present not affect the future in some way? Of course they do, that's why it's important to address the current events that are occurring and doing the best we can to combat the negative impact of them, as well as mitigate the circumstances that said events are born from in order to make sure they can't happen again.

You might think saying "move on and prepare for the future!" sounds nice and sweet and all, but really, it just sounds like an empty slogan a political party would slap onto a poster for their campaign.

>>144584069
But he killed innocent people too. So Yagami deserved death for this.

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>>144583997
Some people will be hurt but a purging of degeneracy was all for the better

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>>144584333
>>144590624
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>>144592420
>>144592550
>>144593626
>>144594042
>>144594271
>>144594311


>A few /pol/lsters visit /a/
>post Hitlers to disrupt
>The /a/ community is in love with based Japan and therefore incline in egaging a similarly outstanding level of civility and politeness
>An actual and constructive debate is born

I love you guys

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>>144587507
This meme needs to end

>>144584283
Except Deadpool is satire.

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>>144594494
This. Degenerates need to die.

>>144594393
>Communism is .. immoral.
System cannot be moral or immoral.

>>144583997
If you kill all bad people, the world would more safer and less populated.

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This smooth mofo right here.

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>>144594504
And people say nothing constructive comes out of this place

>>144594393
Sorry, living in a capitalistic system, so you cant :v)

>>144586523
Everything post time skip.

There you go.

>>144594704
Yes they can, if they prescribe immoral actions.

Which is the case.

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Prove me wrong.

>>144594781
So you get to keep what you bought with your parents' labor. Isn't it wonderful? :^)

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>>144584069
>>144584258
>>144594400

Any institution that calls itself Just cannot exact death penalty upon no one, by doing so it would be accountable of the crime of killing someone.
Light is a person, not an institution so this rule applies to him even more, he was not a hero, he was a deluded madman and a criminal far worse than any of his victims

>>144595340
>doing so it would be accountable of the crime of killing someone.
You do know that there is both legal and illegal killing, right? Murder would fall under the latter, while the death penalty would fall under the former.

>>144595475
>responding to it
>you will never go back to an /a/ not full to the brim with newfags who obsessively respond to each and every idiotic empty post ever

>>144595340
I'm on your camp in thinking Light was wrong, except for slightly different reasons>>144584519


How would you argue that an institution or person sentencing someone else to death is inherently immoral?

I mean, what if a person has an incurable mental condition or they are just violent pieces of shit that are hell-bent on killing and wrong-doing everytime they can with no remorse, isn't it better to just take him out rather than expending resources encarcerating someone who will never produce anything of value?

>could have reinstated the Emperor
>could have made Japan great again
>could've make people focus on what's important
>could've become a politician
He only needed to use the note sparingly
>durrr I am a God *tips fedora* who will make a perfect world a reality by killing everything I don't like!
Fucking materialistic, atheistic, nihilistic, progressive tard.
Light was a mistake.

>>144595475
It's ok, you can't distinguish a legal argument from a moral one.

>>144587461
He really didn't

>>144595619
Then how about we kill you, because you are a waste of space going to 4chan?

How can any individual hold the authority to claim when killing is moral and when not?

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>>144595518
>i-i was just pretending to be retarded n-newfag haha

>>144595703
Because someone who does nothing isn't infringing on someone else's liberties while a compulsive murderer, rapist, etc. is?

And if you have good reason to believe they will never change and will keep infringing on peoples rights and lives it's probably better to cleanly take his life rather than spending tax-payers money keeping someone who's whole objective is to fuck everything up alive. No?

If not, why not?

>>144595746
>>>/v/

>>144595870
Not an argument.

>>144593261
Fuck you piece of shit I hate you.

>>144595678
If morality is the basis of your point, then it's just as easy to say that it's immoral to deliberately allow criminals to live while they effectively leech off the hardworking people through taxes.

>>144595475
It's not about being legal or not, it's about being Just or unjust. Legality does not imply Justice, one's state's law can be unjust.

>>144595518
>empty post
You do realize that these are the theories written Cesare Beccaria's "De Delitti e delle Pene" and not ''empty talk'' right?

>>144595619
You are seeing society as something superior to the individual, so for you everyone who has no value in society has no value as an individual, however I think that an individual's worth is not measured by any mean by the value that he has inside a structured society.
Plus by making him a victim of Death penalty you are imposing the responsibility of killing the criminal on the executioner, who is forced by law to become a murderer himself.

>>144590132
But he ruined Germany and arguably the world.
If you buy into the DA JOOOS meme

>>144596122
>It's not about being legal or not, it's about being Just or unjust. Legality does not imply Justice, one's state's law can be unjust.
But justice is an entirely subjective concept, what you feel to be unjust can just as easily be seen by other people as the right thing.

>>144583997

He should just have wiped out niggers instead of waiting for news about criminals. Because doing that and fighting criminality is one and the same.

>>144596691
And that is the source of our problems, the fact that we are having this discussion stems from the impossibility to determine an objective Justice.
For me for example Justice is found in the teachings of Jesus.
I would also like to add that by no mean the Just path is the easiest or the most functional path, rather it can be one that is not actually attainable, however it is proper to try and achieve it.

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>>144594249
No you fucking wouldn't.

>>144597126
I personally don't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, or any religion in general. I don't believe it's practical to try and attain the unattainable, especially in regards to religion, where there are so many countless different belief systems and worldviews; like you said, it would be impossible to try and come to a consensus on what is and isn't right or just.

There's probably never gonna be a solution to the various problems in the world that can be universally agreed upon. That's why I think the only semi-viable option there is to take is to peruse your own notion of what is right.

>>144594887
First, prove yourself right.

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The Saiyans 100% deserved what they got.

>>144583997
It's the other way around.
Light is not a villain, he is a hero who did absolutely everything wrong.

>>144598727

>Mr.I'm gonna nuke your planet and enslave a few of your people, then sell your planet for money I likely don't even need.

Freiza is probably one of the coldest cock suckers out there.

>>144596364
>But he ruined Germany
Do you have any idea of the state Germany was in before he came to power?

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>>144598594

Garou is perfect, he's a flower and he's also a rainbow and a river.

>>144587424
>That said people forget prisons are not meant to punish but rehabilitate.
And unless we're talking about teenagers who steal mars bars, this barely ever works. We need to move away from that Enlightenment optimism: some people are simply so rotten to the core or so corrupted by an ideology that preaches the death of others like Islam that they are beyond rehabilitation. Their prison sentences exist purely to remove them from civilized society, to ensure these twisted minds can inflict no harm... and even then inmate-on-inmate violence is pretty insane especially in America. Hell, America even has a unique culture of prison rape.

This rehabilitation talk is all fine and dandy for people who don't want to lose their faith in humanity and throw the veil of ignorance over their own heads. The biggest example of this not working isn't America, but France. 7% of the population is Muslim, but 70% of its inmates are Muslim. And often Muslim inmates leave prison more radicalized than they entered, effectively making prisons state-financed terrorist education. The reintroduction of the guillotine would provide a much more effective solution.

>>144584363
Kek tumblr despises Griffith more than the plague.

>>144596105
Not if that's the way the taxpayers decide to do things through a democratic vote.

>>144596122
>You are seeing society as something superior to the individual, so for you everyone who has no value in society has no value as an individual, however I think that an individual's worth is not measured by any mean by the value that he has inside a structured society.
>Plus by making him a victim of Death penalty you are imposing the responsibility of killing the criminal on the executioner, who is forced by law to become a murderer himself.

I'm not puting society above the individual. If someone steps on another individual's rights and liberties he deserves punishment. If that individuals steps on other peoples rights and liberties hard enough or enough times, taking out that individual rather than nursing him might be worth considering.

Also the executioner as any other free citizen can choose to not do it.

>>144583997
>got a parking ticket
>ded

>>144601056
>He can choose not to do it
But in the end someone has to, it might not be him but as long as there is an execution there will be an executioner.
Also, I agree that a punishment is due, however in my opinion it would be better an extensive punishment rather than an intensive one, that way the criminal has to live the rest of his life with the burden of his sin.

>>144601911
>But in the end someone has to, it might not be him but as long as there is an execution there will be an executioner.

Yes, but if the individual is doing it willingly and he obviously will receive any legal punishment for it, then it becomes a non-issue since he accepts the moral implications of his act.

Also, I can't say you are wrong, I guess we just disagree on the issue.

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>/a/ has better /pol/ threads than /pol/

>>144583997
Putting aside the entire moral/ethical dilemma of whether it's right or wrong to kill criminals, Light did a lot of shit wrong, and almost all of it had to do with L.

He took obvious fucking bait that helped the police and L reduce the number of potential suspects from "could be literally anybody or anything" to "it's a student-age person living in this prefecture of tokyo with access to police records meaning it's probably a kid with a cop parent".

Dumbass honestly should've lost there.

>>144602457
That's a flaw of a lot of real "smart" criminals though. You would think that they would even research shit before they do stuff.

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>>144583997
Kinky Innocent man who only desired a quiet life gets bullied to death by school children.

>>144599326
Of course. NO actual proof. This just shows that threads like this are meme threads.

>>144594528

Tell me what Griffith did wrong.

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Oberstein did nothing wrong. He saved countless lives by allowing the civil war to end when it did and ensuring that Reinhardt would take control.

>>144583997
Light's an anti-hero you sperg.

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C h e e r i o

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>People in this thread actually defending Communism
Disgusting

>>144604451
he made a miscalculation, he only did things morally questionable but he did have the people's interests at heart.

Throughout the series there was always doubt that because he was emotionally stunted this equaled a bad person.

>board /a/
>thread about anime
>people discussing capitalism × communism
>Light-sama isn't a villain, he's a anti-hero

>>144607864
If you actually read the thread it's only about communism. Capitalism is barely even paid lip-service.

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ODA NOBUNAGA DID NOTHING WRONG

>>144584396
>>144587424

>Light killing people for being lazy

When has he ever claimed this?

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>>144587641
He killed a lot of people and he was going to rape a 14 year old girl, but in some way i can agree with you

I stopped watching Death Note when Light forced that woman (whose police officer fiance he had just murdered) to commit suicide.

Anyone defending Light is a huge edgelord.

>>144611861
He specifically says after criminals he will get rid of drains on society, people who do nothing, people who don't better society.

>>144614056
When you make an omelette, you have to crack a few eggs.

>>144614056
This is the moment where I knew Light was truly lost. Getting a little hissyfit on L's preliminary catching him was the first one, but I didn't mind since it was a deathrow. Even then, he still tried to kill an innocent with no remorse whatsoever.

>>144616433
That's particularly wrong in this case since he wasn't even killing her because he thought she was bad or anything. Light killed her specifically and exclusively out of self-interest. There was no noble intentions even by his POV.

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>>144583997
>Started to murder allies of justice because they were getting close to discovering him.
>He literally failed hiding a power that should be undetectable.

>>144584646
We all learned to swim.

>>144618125

He was a little retarded but not wrong

>>144618125
My biggest issue with death note is it's almost amazingly simple to never be discovered.

Step 1: Make sure killings are random. Furthermore test on people outside country or region at first. Furthermore kill 1 person in every country possible as a test all dying at the same time. Keep things random, kill people in X country for a week, then switch it up.

Step 2: Never take bait. Don't fucking kill someone who is claiming they are going to catch you.

Done. For someone as smart as Light those two steps should of been fucking obvious.

>>144621097
The problem is that L had god tier bait and Light had a tantrum.

>>144621257
Light was the answer to "You mad?" and the answer was "Yes".

>>144605360
>>144605360
It's one person.

Incidentally why anyone would argue with him, as dogmatized as he is, is beyond me.

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>>144583997

Greed and his gang did nothing wrong.

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>>144611107
Nobunaga did nothing wrong
Ikko-Ikki genocide best day of my life

>>144584069
Punishment must equal the crime. You would not kill a shoplifter, but you would kill a killer.

>>144583997
Thad was in anime, where nothing is a crime

>>144623420
No you wouldn't.

God and an afterlife does not exist. Killing a killer is not justice, you just end his suffering.

You keep him alive as humanly possible and torture him.

>>144583997
>"""""____""""""
Fuck off crossboarder.

>>144586523
Everything before time skip is generic, and pretty shoddily done if you don't combine it with the time skip. On it's own, with the time skip to follow up, it's nothing but generic garbage, and boring generic garbage at that. After the time skip though, is when it comes into its own and becomes great. Without the over the top post-timeskip premise, Gurren Lagann would be forgotten as a flavor-of-the-month mecha

>>144623609
*without the time skip to follow up

>>144615381
>killing welfare queens
America needs someone like him.

>>144617632
His quest for justice would end if Naomi's information reached L. Worse, at that point Light had no way of knowing if L wouldn't abuse the Death Note if it fell into his hands. Light's actions were justified in this case.

>>144623929
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

Soon that'll be everyone.

>>144623983
No, they really weren't. He killed an innocent women because he was afraid to face the consequences of his actions. He was a coward.

A truly virtuous man, even if he thought he was doing the right thing by killing criminals illegally, when faced with the scenario would not under any circumstances kill an innocent person and would rather deal with the effects of everyone's actions.

>>144624112
Robots can't cook a tasty meal.

>>144624112
Is this what ribbit is like? Self driving cars are not going to be here anytime soon. This isn't going to magically happen one day and everyone will be fucked. It will be a slow progression.

>>144624188
https://youtu.be/SNy6fEuPWbc

Okay.

>>144624188
Oh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNy6fEuPWbc

>>144624195
You forgot you just admitted you're wrong.

Whether it's a slow, medium, or rapid progression(Truth lies in the middle) it will occur and will happen.

What you said agrees that it will happen and utterly defeats any argument for light killing "welfare queens".

>>144624169
>this person stands in the way of my noble goal
>but she hasn't done anything bad, so I'll do nothing to stop her and let her actions result in my death and the end of my plan
Yeah no. Light didn't have a lot of room for finesse. Naomi had to be stopped there and then.

>>144624228
>>144624232
This robot uses the ingredients you give it, it doesn't check if they can be used.

>>144624284
>I killed my children because they were possessed by satan so i'm not guilty because I saved them before they could sin.

Okay anon ends justify the means we got it.

>>144624311
We have robots that can make music, write articles you read now, diagnosis better then doctors can, self driving cars here now and slowly progressing to perfection, and you fail to see that robots would eventually do delivery, shipping, general purpose tasks?

How much of a shitposter or moron are you?

>>144624284
So you subscribe to the idea that the ends justify the means then, even if the means are immoral and even poentially in direct contradiction to your values?

If so then that means he is still an immoral degenerate who stands for what he thinks is right only until it no longer is convenient to him. Not to mention the only reason he "needs" to kill her in the first place is due to his incompetence and carelessness by being cornered so thoroughly while having a huge advantage.

>>144624311
Your argument was a robot can't cook a tasty meal. You are now moving the goal post another robot will fill instead of admitting you're wrong.

Fucking moron.

>>144624358
Who said a word about delivery, you foolishly foolish fool? There are things that robots can't do, so those things will always be done by humans.

>>144583997

Lights whole character was that he did absolutely everything wrong.

>>144583997
>"""""x"""""
Get the fuck out of here.

>>144624435
Name one thing a robot can't do and i'll post a robot that directly proves you are wrong.

>>144624322
Nice strawman.
>>144624359
>muh values
It's about "muh goals".

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>>144596364
Spot the lying kike.
go back to (((reddit))) kid.

>>144624503
Tasting food.

>>144624541
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2549015/Fancy-pint-The-robotic-tongue-sensitive-taste-different-beers-make-human-tasters-redundant.html

https://techcrunch.com/2014/09/22/this-robot-tastes-better-than-a-wine-critic/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30110282

At least google before you try to post something.

You could post something like having free will(Which is an illusion that robots can eventually emulate like us).

>>144584646
but he shouldve

>>144624508
>It's about "muh goals".
I'd argue that the reason you do something is just as important as what you do. A goal is meaningless if there's no intent or reasoning behind it.

Bottom line is: He killed an innocent women. He instantly becomes on e of those pieces of shit he so wants to rid the world of. He should've written his name right after hers, if he really believed what he was doing was right.

>>144624944
>kill a woman who was a threat to him and his goal
>kill himself and abort his goal
Pick one.

>>144625122
Then what makes him different from all the other murderers he killed remorselessly?

>>144591523
But people don't do what they can, they just don't do anything at all, lower the average and still get what other get.

>>144583997
did you know that in japan, once youre suspected of a crime, you're most likely to go into jail?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/29/abandon-hope-all-ye-tried-in-japan.html

>>144587424
>Killing a single innocent person is not justice
yes
>so if there's even a chance some of the inmates on death row are innocent, then killing any or all of them can be seen as immoral and unjust.
no

>>144599389
Prison was never intended to rehabilitate people.

>>144583997
I wasn't aware getting caught and telling everyone how to swim was part of his keikaku

>>144625149
The goal, how many times do I have to say it?. Pretty sure none of the criminals he killed were trying to make the world a better place.

>>144594792
>Eveything post time skip except fights
Fixed that for you

>>144626055
Light wasn't trying to make the world a better place; he was trying to fulfill his god complex.

>>144626055
But while trying to make the world a better place he resorted to the same actions the criminals he killed did.

>>144626766
So what? If you can change the entire world for the better, why be afraid of getting your hands dirty?

>>144593266
/a/ got assraped today senpai

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Guy was bored with his thousand year bender of influencing war and genocide, and just wanted to crash. Possessing a sweet kid with severe self-worth issues only further justified his actions.

>>144623929
Says the NEET still living with his parents.

>>144626793
But he wasn't changing the world to a better place.

>>144589071
I don't think he was implying she was one but rather used it as a reaction to quotation marks meme.

>>144623589
Really makes you think

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>>144583997

>>144627581
There's nothing wrong with being a NEET.

>>144630586
They don't contribute anything to society.

ok ... I think Light wanted only good, but his greed made him make mistakes out, what spoiled all what he tried to do good. In the end he became the only "bad genius" that Ryuk had said.

>>144584091
It's a retarded way to emphasize.

>>144604451
He got Sigfried kill, only that was wrong