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# Suffering

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>>144450061

So in the last thread we started compiling data to form a chart with numerous characters who suffer. Here's the latest cop of the graph.

The Y axis quantifies how much a character suffers in his/her given work, while the X axis quantifies how much a character deserves to suffer in this work.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but there seems to almost be some sort of relationship here. Look at all the data points we have... I've drawn a line of best fit for the data and it seems like there is some kind of parabolic relationship between the suffering a character goes through a show and how much he/she deserves it. I'd like to see if this theory holds true, so I need more data points.

Let's expand this chart, /a/. If we get enough data, we might be able to create a unified model of suffering in anime and manga. This could be huge, we could get ourselves some serious funding from educational institutions if we keep working!
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>>144462927
It's shit, remove everything and start again.
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>>144462927
Fuck off.
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>>144462927
I think Kamille Bidan deserves to be on there.
>born with a girls name
>mom killed right in front of me
>treacherous faggot of a father also dies
>fall in love with bipolar girl who is brainwashed to try to kill me
>she dies protecting me
>wait, she’s alive!!!!
>nvm
>another bipolar girl thinks she’s my sister
>actually come to care for her
>forced to kill her to protect friends
>entire ship full of my comrades is destroyed
>superior officer who I look up to dies in my arms
>mind broken and turned into a vegetable
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He really didn't deserve it at all. He suddenly found himself in a new strange world without any allies or knowledge.
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>>144462927
Why is Gaara so high in the deserved axis?
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>>144462927
Why is Guts still so high? Seriously, other people on the chart had suffered why more than he did, so why is he so damn high?
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>>144463197
>i posted it again
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>>144463117
Eh
I think Kaneki should be 70/30
The guy just wanted to have a date with a qt on a bookstore
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>>144462927
Why the fuck is Touma so high up? Is it some shitty epic meme?
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>>144462927
>geiger counter so low
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>>144463269
I don't even read the LNs and I know he suffered a lot you ignorant fag.
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>>144463117
Wheres Lelouch
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>>144463244
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>>144462927
>no Ichise
>no Grave of the Fireflies kids
>not a single Kitoh character

>>144463197
Because he's the most popular/iconic character, so everyone inflates how much he suffered.

>>144463269
I haven't read the LNs, but I know there's a part where he goes through a long time-loop battle and dies like a trillion times and gets PTSD, so it's probably because of that.
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>>144463236
No, really. Explain to me how Guts had suffered more than the people who went through, at minimum, thousand+ years of physical and mental torture.
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>>144463387
Oberstein didn't suffer near enough for his position, and Char deserved to suffer way more.
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>>144463387
>still no Kamille
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>>144463269
In one of the volumes, Touma was physically and mentally tortured for millions of years.
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>>144463423
Eclipse.
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>>144463387
>8man
>relevant
I don't think he needs to suffer
Just forgotten
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>>144462927
>forgetting Kurapika and Killua
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>>144463467
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>>144463410
This list was clearly made mostly by /v/, the shounenshit should have tipped you off.
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>>144463238
where can I post my psd file without logins and shit?
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>>144463484
Right, so that's one event versus thousands of events of time-loopers. Still not seeing how it's anyway comparative to the suffering of the loopers here.
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>>144462927
Miu Matsuoka should be in 100,0 not Umaru
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>>144463500
Fuck right off.
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>>144463484
Just because it made more of an impact on you doesn't mean it was worse suffering.
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>>144462927
Why is 8man so high up on deserving? Is it because he willingly throws himself under the bus?
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>>144463496
>Killua
How?
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>>144463143
That's why he isent at 100%. He still acted like a fucking autist though.

Just remember

>Dont leave this place, ok? You are here so you can heal up. I want to trust you.
>Goes to the castle anyways
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>>144463510
>He wasn't here
You know, things can happen even when you're not here fag, fix it then
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>>144463387
gatsu shouldn't counter so high

the manga is now really relaxed and his waifu is still with him retarded yes but still with him
the night of miracles wasnt that big problem since it occurred really fast
and the magical negro was long long ago kek
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>>144463510
I bet you don't even know half of the fucking characters you hack
>>144463423
see last thread I explained it there >>144457552
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>>144463387
>Jonathan Joestar higher than Shinji Ikari
wat
also, Johnny Joestar probably goes at around 75x80y
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>>144462927
>emergence girl that high
she just wanted to have some friends
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>>144463596
He was tortured for most of his life
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>>144463631
>I bet you don't even know half of the fucking characters you hack
What. A solid 90% of these are from popular as fuck stuff.
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>>144463387
Oberstein should have his x and y positions flipped.
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>>144462927
Waitaminute, this is dumb.
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>>144463631
Again, you're comparing him to people who were tortured physically and mentally non-stop for longer than human history.
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Plenty of One Piece characters have some hard earned suffering. Specially the flashback ones:

Fisher Tiger
Queen Oboshi
Ace
Tom
Jaguar D Saul
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>>144463602
He is an autist. He was a lonley NEET playing vidya all day. Of course he isn't some social butterfly.

He can't help it.
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Where would Kiriya Keiji and/or Rita Vrataski from all you need is kill fit in this?
Keiji has looped about 160 times for his first battle
Rita Vrataski looped about 200 times for her first battle, plus once for ever other battle afterward

I would say that their suffering is anywhere from 70 to 80 while how much they deserve it is around 50 to 60
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>>144463793
Not really. He just keeps acting without thinking of the consequences because he's still under the delusion he's the hero so everything will eventually go his way. Though as you said, that's mostly because he was a NEET.
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>>144463743
having a wife is the ultimate form of torture
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>>144463670
So was the rest of the Zoldyck family. That's how they're raised.
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>>144463740
Not really. If we can determine a unified law for suffering experienced as a function of suffering deserved, we will have a metric for all future animes and mangas. This theorem can then be calibrated intermittently, but will ultimately serve as a tool with which to compare characters objectively, and can be used as a series of metrics with which to accurately and logically rate future and past animes and mangas.

Think about it, we can even use it to objectively compare the suffering of a character in both the manga and anime of a single piece of work. We can then determine if the character both deserved and received a similar level of suffering across these works. That's pretty damn cool.
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>>144462927
>8man that low and that much to the right
He suffered too much from the misfortune starting from year one day one, I don't get the hate after those.
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>>144463519
If one of the characters on that chart repeated an event that equals the Eclipse in suffering in a thousand-year time loop, then I'd give you the pass. But no such character is there.
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>>144463915

You can't objectively measure suffering you idiot. There are different levels and the act would be near impossible.
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>removing Ichise
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>>144463768
>Ace
He had his glory and then died like a retard. Even Luffy has harder life than he is.
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>>144462927
>>144463387
The left side's getting pretty crowded.
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>>144463994
this
>he still doesn't understand the graph is each one individually yet arbitrarily scaled in suffering in their own respective ways
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>>144463994
A measurement of suffering would have to take each individual character and their values into account. An event might not hold the same level of suffering for two different characters, but you can still measure how much suffering an event causes for a particular character and compare that to others.
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>>144463924
>that low
Nigger, most of the chart involves people dying or being brutalized in some way. Tomoya saw his wife and kid both dead before 25, and he's not even at 30. 8man's at the bottom however you slice it.
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>>144463994
True, it is difficult to objectively quantify suffering, but we can instead establish certain qualifications and define suffering within a work here. Then, we can use our own standards for future analysis. That's why it's so important to continue compiling data, so that we can have as many data points as possible and to create a more accurate model. It all relies on how we define suffering and what qualifies as behavior deserving of suffering. If we get enough data we can then create a list of criteria that must be met to both cause a character to deserve to suffer, and to accurately judge the suffering he/she goes through.

The unified model of suffering in anime and manga will hold true for those types of work, but obviously it can't be applied to the 3D world.
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>>144464126
I don't know senpai. I was actually wondering why he's down there with Umaru. Probably because the chart isn't large enough?
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>>144463961
What about Touma and his million years of physical and mental torture?
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>>144464144

Still doesn't have Ichise from Texhnolyze who suffers more than Gutz.
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>>144464185
>touma
>misaka is in love with him
>suffering
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>>144464162

Doesn't work because physical suffering, emotional suffering and mental suffering are on completely different levels.

Take Trunks seeing Vegeta get his arm broken which is a combo of mental and emotion versus something like Kaiji being robbed by Endo. Which would you say is worse? There is no wrong answer.
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>>144464256
It doesn't change the fact that he had suffered million of years of agonizing torture in countless loops. I mean, Guts has a loli witch after his D.
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>>144463644
>Johnny Joestar probably goes at around 75x80y
No, that would put Johnny's suffering higher than Dio.
Losing your legs for a while and watching your gay lover get murdered < being decapitated and being stuck in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean for 100 years
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>>144463915
>weak bait

>>144463994
>people who still fall for it exist
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>>144464293
Is that in the LN?
How
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>>144462927

>no Spike

I would say he is a 70 suffering/20 deserved it.

And Vash the Stampede is a 100 suffering/0 deserved it, he deserves the bottom right corner.
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>>144464326
good point. 65x75y
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60-70 - suffering

0 - deserve

Her parents wanted to straight up slaughter her publicly for not conforming with the norms of her town, she's travelling around the world seeing death and suffering with occasional happy moments. Whenever she finds a place she can call home it gets destroyed by a volcano along with all the people that tasked her to keep last memories of them before they all died. And she's conscious of being a killer.
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>>144464293
>It doesn't change the fact that he had suffered million of years of agonizing torture in countless loops.
Does the actual torture equal or surpass the Eclipse in suffering magnitude?
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>>144464144
>Still no fucking Kamille Bidan.
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>>144462927
>bell curve that captures less than a quarter of the entries
What the fuck are you doing?
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>>144462927
Squella suffered the most torture out of all these characters. He should at the very least be as higher than Griffith.
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>>144463994
>>144464273
>doesn't understand mass input from a decentralized crowd will naturally pinpoint the equilibrium answers for each case
The only issue with OP's premise is that this is being done by hand in relatively closed off threads. If a database was created with open input, we could increase data input drastically and come to more refined answers.

A system like the character sorter might be the best method to keep the metric consistent.
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Where would Aiko land in the suffering scale?
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>>144463924
He has this qt lusting after his dick
Suffering my ass
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>>144464370
Othinus is a full blown goddess that wanted to break Touma into giving up/committing suicide so she can safely acquire Imagine Breaker. Since it's Touma, he didn't break and she kept at it for billions of iteration. Shit got incredibly dark.
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Where is Punpun?
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>>144464473
No one cares about the equilibrium answers. This isn't a poll, it's a ranking. Compromise just means your chart satisfies no one.
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>>144464541
tanaka
deserved -100
suffering
10000
he literary wants nothing
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>>144464534
Are you an idiot? Then OP shouldn't bother taking in any input.
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>Sara Ringwalt is an American girl who is mistaken for Lala-Ru and is kidnapped on her way to pick up her father from work. She is taken to Hellywood where she is regularly raped by the Hellywood soldiers, one of whom she murders in self-defense. After escaping from Hellywood, she is rescued from the desert sands by Sis who brings her to Zari-Bars. Sara resents Lala-Ru and blames her solely for the predicament she is in. Unable to cope with the pain of being raped and carrying a child as a result of her ordeal, she attempts to commit suicide and abort the baby by pounding a rock into her abdomen. Shu, however, intervenes, taking the blows of the rock on his hand which he uses to cover her abdomen. Sis' dying request that she not hate the faultless baby changes Sara's mind and she decides to stay in the desert world with her unborn baby, Sis' orphans, and ex-Hellywood child soldiers to start a new life not knowing that the sun is going to collapse, effectively dooming the world.
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I now nominate Tanaka-kun
20/20
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>>144464478
>Posting Hayatofag
I was expecting you to post Yui instead.
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I wish Berserkfags would suffer.
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Needs actual redo of many characters here. Too much wanking for chars like Guts and Homuhomo which had suffered less than many of the chars in the lower axis. I see those charts as a subjective rather than accurate and objective measure of suffering. Also need to add the length of time those characters suffers, extremity of suffering during that timespan and the effect to those characters to the suffering they've experienced for it to be much more objective and accurate.
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>>144464388
Yeah, it kinda does. There's the trapped in his comatose body, fully aware, until the day he 'died'. Trapped on a boat with random people where he slowly cut off pieces of his flesh to feed them until he 'died'. A world where his trusted teacher stabbed him in the gut because she believes he had doomed Academy City. A world where he was stuck in a spaceship all alone until a giant meteor blew the whole thing up. And that's not getting into worlds where it was for geared for maximum mental torturing. And this went on for billions of iteration, all of which are designed to break him to get him to commit suicide/give up.
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>>144464493
That sounds kind of stupid.
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>>144463105
I second the motion
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>>144464624
There's no reasoning with Berserkfags and Madokafags, just give up now.
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>>144464473
RIP tay
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~80 suffering

0 deserve for Fate and UBW,
~30 in Heaven's Feel, up for debate
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cashern that low
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>>144464696
didn't she enjoyed it? being in that sex dungeon
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>>144464624
Takeru needs to be a bit higher too because of that Extraverse arc.
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>>144464658
No more stupid than any other work geared toward shounens. I mean, have you really looked at the stupid shit that goes on in Berserk?
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>>144464528
>>144464477
>>144464379
>>144463484
Heartbreak, physical injures, watching your mom die, never being loved, going through war, PTSD, etc. are always going to be much, much lower than extended torture and mindbreak, and that far lower than repeated timeloops of eternal suffering.

The Y scale must be exponential like the earthquake scale, it'd make no sense otherwise.

And Guts does not belong up there even if it's your first manga. The terror of the eclipse, the heartbreak of Casca going retard and the loneliness of his curse doesn't remotely compare to eternal suffering in hell.
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Guys, we need to fill this massive space, otherwise, it all just looks unbalanced as fuck.
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>>144462927
>Left side: characters I like
>Right side: characters that I dislike
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Why is the chick from Emergence that low? I thought she suffered pretty bad.
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>>144464388
Let just say he suffered billions of uniquely different ways of suffering and dying imaginable in a span of just billions of years so that's that.
Good thing he is already insane enough so it only gave him nervous breakdown when seeing magic gods.
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>>144464749
Does it count as real enjoyment if you're _raped every day until you like it?
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I think we need a special slot for all the people that had ever watched 'Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien'. Because that shit was agonizing, and not in the 'it's so bad, that it's good' way.
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>muh eclipse
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>>144462927
>we started compiling data

At least half a dozen of them are at completely incorrect points on the graph.
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>>144462927
Why is Yotsuba that high?
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>>144464787
If we make the character portraits small enough to fit a single box, we can fit 400 characters on a giant image. That's what we should do.
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>>144464787
Make the character images 100x100 px
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>>144464964
this and define the points ( 23:24 )
and so on and so forth, then we can create a true graphic
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This thread belongs in the trash.
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>>144464379
Kino barely suffers at all, she makes it pretty clear that she doesn't care about most things and never does the weight of things ever really bear down on her. She just hops on to her motorcycle and moves on to the next place nonchalantly, low-tier suffering.
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>>144463387
How can squealer be so low? He was forced to experience the most pain the mind could fathom for like 10 straight years. How could it get worse than this?
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>>144464927
>>144464964
Working on it, gonna take a while.
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>>144464787
And wtf avenger lower than Guts? Dude was a normal child when he suffered everything Guts suffered and much more in his whole lifetime while incapacitated and incapable of fighting back to the point he lost even hatred. And everything happened because he just won the fcking lottery on who to become the bearer of humanity sins.
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>>144464640
>>144464821
Fair enough, then.
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Where's taiwanese voltaic moonknight?
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>>144464964
Do it. Please do it. Then we can have a truly objective list.
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>Accidentaly dials Goddess relief office
>Wishes for Belldandy to be by his side forever
>Wish is granted
>However
>Satan confronts him about a dark secret
>Reveals that God didn't approve of a Human and a Goddess being together
>Concerned about creating "half-breeds" were one of those reasons
>God secretly neuters Keiichi in that he will feel no lust towards Belldandy so they wouldn't copulate
>Belldandy is completely aware of this curse
>Never says anything because she enjoys Keiichi's attention
>Curse only applies to Belldandy and not to other girls and goddesses
>Belldandy cockblocks him from relationships with these women growing envious when someone tries to seduce him
>This manipulation goes on for 3 years
>What Keiichi believed to be a dream come true turns out to be a nightmare built on lies and deceit
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>>144462927
Despite the meme contrarian hate of Subaru he actually fits with his deserved position since it's implied that he gave his 'yes' to Satella for all of it. I'll allow Guts because of my eternity in soul hell, even though he'll probably avoid going there after killing the Godhand. Maybe raise Nagato a little bit, move Alibaba to the full left and put a character from Sakura chronicles. What the fuck did Gaara do to deserve anything?
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>>144464787
OK
Pic related 10/80
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She didn't deserve anything.
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>>144465309
え？なんだって？
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>>144465311
It still hurts ;_;
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She probably fits somewhere around 50 : 30
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Yui suffered 2 years for 8man
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>>144464787
Alright, I'll throw one in there.
>is constantly bullied, molested, and made into a joke by everyone including the author who thinks her pain is hilarious which it is
>but she is also a pushy, autistic fake lesbian who tried to rape the snake after meeting her for the first time and later tried to attack the mc for stopping her
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>>144464787
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>Father was a horrible monster who wanted to use her as a battery for his death machine
>Father's legacy has killed and is still killing people she cared about
>Yet said legacy also allows her fucking special treatment from the biggest bitch on the planet who she realizes she fairs too much in common with sending her into a spiral of suicidal self disgust
>Best pilot without a Super Powered Mech, which means she doesn't get to fight the Super Powered Alien monsters, she has to be the one who cleans up the actual human pilots they fight against and is the only one among her fellow pilots besides her best friend who ever has had to actually kill people
>Forced to endure an actual death march where of 18,000+ people, only under 2,000 actually survive
>All while the guy she's in love with makes remarks and comments that destroy her self esteem
>Said guy who she basically sacrificed her future as a means of keeping him alive
>Which becomes moot because he pilots anyway and gets magic bullshit to let him keep piloting until he actually dies
>The only other two guys to express any interest in her die or get turned into a baby who the guy she likes is now raising
>A guy she fought with tried to blown himself up with, then tried to shoot her only for her surrogate dad to blow out his brains right in front of her
>After all that she goes to meet her niece who tells her that her sister is dead
>Breaks down into a sobbing emotional mess being comforted by a child
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Why there's no anon in the chart? ;_;
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>His sick girlfriend lies to him about being fine so she can spend quality time with him at a foreign country. She becomes even more sick suffering and he has a mental breakdown because of it.
>His sworn enemy, Aji Tae, lied to him about curing his girlfriend sickness by telling him he can transfer it to Munsu and so she won't suffer. She still had it.
>Sickness has his trouble breathing when he moves too much and so in any fight he is in extreme pain.
>Aji Tae forces Munsu to kill the love of his life because he lied to his girlfriend that killing Munsu would cure her sickness
>When he was a great general, he fought a war that took many soldiers lives, leading him to resign his post because of guilt
>Finds out his best friend and king was killed by Aji Tae
>Forms a group to investigate the king because the king was acting perculier in doing mass purges of villages. Is branded a traitor and stripped of all his accomplishments and has to flee the county
>Aji Tae destroys the entire country
>Is forced to wander as the Angyo Onishi alone
>Has two allies who join up with him, one of which dies and the other who abandones him causing him great pain
>He dies but is revived reliving his tragic past
> Throughout the story is beaten, shot, stabbed and attacked all while going through immense pain
>When fighting his old ally she cuts off his arm and he forgives her waking her up from Aji Tae spell
>Loses almost all his friends, his other arm, his eye and dies standing up

Other than a few happy moments, almost his entire adult life has been suffering.
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Suffering 25
Deserving 25

While he didn't understand what he was being offered when Rezo turned him into a chimera, he did agree to it.

The "suffering" he gets later is more comedic than anything else, (sometimes a consequence of him being a dick) and there's a well-endowed genki princess who's totally into him.
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Suffering and deservedness have no quantifiable values so this thread is shit.
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>>144464787
I think Revy could fit in there somewhere.
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>>144465622

Was raped once. Whoop to doo.
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>>144465671
>low suffering, mid deserve
Fits the area we're trying to fill
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>>144464787
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Where would Helck go?
He definitely didn't deserve any of it.
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>constantly scolded by father as a child
>indirectly causes his brothers death, the only person who gave a fuck about him
>gets a break and become a famous playboy horse racer
>shot in the spine and paralyzed just for cutting in line
>literally no family who give a fuck and spends years in a shitty hospital as a cripple having his blood taken without his permission, probably got raped there
>finds purpose in locating the holy corpse
>loses every piece of the corpse he had so he's back to being a fucking cripple loser with no purpose but to finish a grueling race he won't win
>gets into shit with the president
>only friend he went through all this shit with dies in front of his eyes
>disqualified from the race so doesn't even get any prize money
>doesn't even beat Diego in the end
>years later married with a son
>wife falls ill and forgets who he is
>uses the corpse to cure his wife
>illness passed on to his son because of equivalent exchange
>passes the ill fate of his son and wife onto himself and gets crushed by a boulder to save them

I'd put him around 50:60
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>>144462927
>>144465532
>>144464964
>>144464787
>>144465057
>>144464927
I aint doing that shit nigger
this was the last thing I worked on

tinyurl com/hz6tx85
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Can someone post the template?
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>>144465671
Multiple times, actually. She grew up being constantly physically abused by an alcoholic father lived in complete destitution and poverty. She ended up killing her dad.

Hence, she should be somewhere in that space.
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>>144465747
(0,70)
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>>144465801
see >>144465798
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>>144465615
But it does have one. You know we compare one's fortune to another in comparison to their actions so why not suffering?
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>>144465844
you fucker, use the psd and resize the shit
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>>144465844
That's fucking awful. Jesus Christ.
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>>144465565

Btw the character is Munsu.
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So where does a guy like Killy fit on this chart exactly? It's clear he has one of the bleakest, loneliest, painfully arduous lives anyone has ever had but it's tough to say how much of it really affects him on a deeper level anymore since he's clearly so emotionally dead from all the countless years of constant violence and misery he's been forced to endure. And how much can you say he deserves it? He's done some pretty fucked up stuff but it's very debatable whether or not he's just being pragmatic or if his breaches in morality warrant an incalculably long existence of suffering for the sake of a mission that might not even be possible to complete.
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>>144462927
Char tried dragging the earth into a nuclear winter because he was mad about a space autist being better than him and couldn't get over his dead indian girlfriend.

He deserves to rot in hell.
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>>144462927
hey idiot
shit chart
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>>144465844
>Gon
Lol no
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>>144465793
Yeah but he was a fucking prick as a kid, though.
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>>144465924
He's literally a killing machine designed to just keep moving
He can't even die or suffer and barely shows any emotion
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>>144465545
0/100. Literally being raped to death would be too good for her and her mary sue powers prevent her from meeting anything but a swift and relatively painless death. If anyone suffered most in that manga it was definitely the string guy.
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I tell the dumbfuck to include ichise and he still doesn't do it. Fucking idiot.
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>>144465551
What's this from? GIS doesn't know.
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>>144466021
Which is exactly why he deserves it 50/60, you paying attention man?
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We should add a danganronpa character or two
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>>144466002
that's not very nice, anon.
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>>144465844
Hold on. First, Gon deserved anything that have happened to him. Second, his only suffering was to lose this old dude that he met for a week, which he blame himself for because he's a little whiny bitch. He's shouldn't be in the chart, or at least be next to Umaru.
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Why the fuck is Gon so high, he actually didn't even end up losing anyone he gave a shit about. He's literally above like an entire batch of people whose had numerous fucking losses. A 12 year old giving a massive (but great) tantrum doesn't justify shit.
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She should definitely be put somewhere on the chart.
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It feels like having a very retarded child
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>>144465844
Do you have some kind of suffer-o-meter? How is Shinji below Trunks? And how Trunks suffered equally to Squealer?
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>>144463244
>>144463387
>Alibaba
His suffering is just a recurring joke. I don't know why he is even in this chart

>Subaru
>Shinji
>Kaneki
Literally pussies and whiny bitches, especially Ikari -get in the robot- Shinji and Kaneki -muh daddy/mommy issues- Ken
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>>144466412

Trunks suffered a shit ton emotionally and mentally than squealer ever did. It evens out.
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>>144466386
She's already on the chart, faggot
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>>144463387
Where is Zaku Burger Man?
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>>144466387
>>144465057 said he's gonna resize the images.
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Char needs to be farther to the right. He literally went insane after getting cucked by Amuro which led him to start throwing a bunch of asteroids at Earth

Maybe if he had better taste in women he could have lived a happier life
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>>144465048
damn, I actually had forgotten about that part. yeah he definitely should be higher
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Could you explain what exactly you mean by 'suffering' and why some characters aren't included? I'll post a few.
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>>144466447
>Literally pussies and whiny bitche
Are you implying pussies and whiny bitches can't suffer?
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Walter has more suffering than IIkari?

Gon is higher than squealer? Who did this shit?
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>>144465844
>HxHfags
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>>144466090
Not quite, the story becomes much darker and more depressing when you realize he actually does have emotions, he's just been through so much shit that he's literally incapable of expressing anything anymore except on extremely rare and infrequent occasions where the rage or suffering becomes so great even he can't hide it. The look on his face when he watched his only friend die is fucking heartbreaking in hindsight. All he can do after losing everything once again is pick himself back up and keep on walking.
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>>144466387
>ReZero guy, Evangelion faggot, Alibeta, Hachimeme, edgelord from Tokyo ghoul

It's a retarded chart anyways
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this chart is looking dumber and dumber
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>>144466447
Grew up piss poor and his mother died when he was young

His best friend envied him enough to hate him

Got kicked out of the royal palace

Buttmonkey of 80% of the series jokes

Had his soul sent to an alternate dimention for 100 years

121 year old virgin even if it might change soon

He amounts to a c+ at least
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>>144466545
Texhnolyze was so beautifully animated. Such a pity that it had to fall victim to the low resolution syndrome of early digital anime.
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I love the current model. Would like to see Utena be added however.
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>>144466726
the psd doesnt include them, download it and modify if you have a problem fucker
using proper notation how much did they suffer and how much did they deserve it?
(x,y)
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>>144462927

Why is Dio that high?
Should really replace him with Diego Brando instead. But even then Diego didn't really deserve it.
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>Touma
>suffering
Nice bullshit.
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Add Harry and Brandon from Gungrave
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>>144466860

Where any of the suggestions from the last half of the thread you fucking twit? Update it again and add the submissions that have descriptions in it.
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Nico Robin deserves to be on here

>Everybody hated her as a kid and said she shouldn't have been born
>The only people who liked her where Prof. Clover and the other Ohara scholars, and she eventually had to watch them all get killed by the World Government
>She watched her home get destroyed by the government
>She finally got to see her mom only for her mom to get killed
>Finally met a friend in Saul only for him to die
>Spent the next 20 years running and hiding from the government
>Worked for Crocodile for years only for him to leave her for dead because he had no more use for her
>Was ready to die at Eines Lobby
>The only reason all of this happened is because she was born on Ohara

Things got better for her after meeting the Strawhats though, so I guess you can dock some points there.
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>>144467008
I'm resizing the images right now. Add them yourself.
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>>144462927
What the fuck is this chart?
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>>144467098

Fuck off, you made the thread and constantly updated it, you make the images. Not me. Can't handle the pressure let someone else make a thread faggot.
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>>144467098
Hurry so I can add my submission
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>>144464890
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>>144467112
I'm not op, I'm >>144465057.
I only updated the .psd.
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Alright, it's one thing to have a couple lines saying "oh yeah and his brain was kept on life support for several years while being inflicted with the most painful torture imaginable", and I understand why that would rank at the top of this sort of list. But what are some anime or manga that are really effective in conveying the character's suffering to the viewer? E.g. texhnolyze is painful just to watch.
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>>144465788
Helck need his own special category, something like "i will protect his smile" category
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>>144467110
Cancer

People thinking they can measure SUFFERING like they can power levels

They're better off trying to just make a list instead of an actual chart to quantify the suffering of fictional characters.
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>>144466802
Second. Utena was betrayed (and stabbed) by the person she fought the entire series for and the man she was in love with since her childhood so that they can incest fuck instead. And after everything, she was just forgotten by everyone when she was hospitalized and transferred away.
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>>144465565
I didn't really like that manhwa but yeah that guy went through a lot of shit
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why is subaru so high? even above angry manjew?
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>>144467271
fan-wanking
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>>144466869
>surrounded by harem
>fukou da
>suffering
off yourself, touma
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>>144467271
Angry Manjew is too low, but Subaru does kinda catch up, especially in Web Novel shit.
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>>144466578
In that chart, there are real men who deal with big shit as best they can, and they don't cry out loud like those whiny faggots.
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>>144467260
>manhwa
This should not even be allowed on /a/
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>>144465844
>Gon
No, you retard. Pika should be on there since he's the MC who's objectively suffered the most.
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>>144467271
His entire existence is just to suffer.
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why isn't maria in the list while hoshino is in there ?
I mean she got hit by the truck almost 11 years everyday while trying to save mogi in that one day loop, let's not talk about the loneliness she felt during those years.
I know hoshino suffered in the kingdom game but i still think that maria suffered more.
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>>144466869
Millions of deaths
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>>144467075
>One piss characters
>suffering
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>>144467197
>People thinking they can measure SUFFERING like they can power levels
Reminds me of that one quote from Twelve Kingdoms
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Okay, there's about 2-3 anons working on charts
but we really need to quantify suffering
after an anon made the suggestion to create the x and y axis for suffering and deservingness of it, I made the first grid, and character placement was based on >>144465798

>Suffering = Y
bullying was between +5 - +10
being an orphan +10 - 15
being raped +10 - +20
being tortured +10 - +20
loosing a limb +10 + 20
watching family members die +10 -+20
being part of a persecuted group +5 - +15
being experimented on +10 - +20
dying +20
watching all loved ones die +20 - +30
loosing more than just 1 limb + 10 - +20
having to risk yourself for people +10 - +20
suffering through time loops +10 - +20
>THEY DESERVED IT = X
killing people + 10 - +20
being raped as a kid -10 - -5
being stupid +10 - +20
being an ass hole +20 -+30
being a smartass +5
being an insufferable cunt +10 -+20
trying to kill a love rival +20 - +30
trying to save the world -20 - -30
being a slut +10 - +20
being a shut in +10 -+20
not confessing to your love interest +10 - +20
leeching off others +10 - +20
being homosexual +10 - +30
sacrificing loved ones +20 - +40
treating companions as pawns +10 - +20
caring about companions -20 - 30
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>>144467528

The axis don't encapsulate all possible suffering. Not even close.
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>>144467587
its a start
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>>144467439
bruh did you even read volume 7?
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>>144467528
excellent work anon, I think this is good.
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>>144467528

>Autism:The Post
You cannot measure suffering neo-/a/
Go waste your time doing something else OP-kun
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Where does this guy go?
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>>144467640
actually no, was waiting for it but i ended up forgetting it.
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>>144467271
Dead over a hundred times, burnt alive, eaten alive, friendzoned blue oni twisted in front of him, friendzoned blue oni erased from existence and turned into a coma, died from madness, Sloth used his ability on him to the point of fucking what little sanity he had and make him foam from his mouth, turned into a robot that 'kills himself' as the retarded casuals wants even to tell the time by a curious witch in one timeline, has a happy family with kids that is erased and not allowed to exist since it doesn't belong to the main route in one timeline, sees absolutely everyone but him die in one timeline, shittalked to death, killed by a hero by mistake, killed by a hero a lot of times regretfully, will probably have an endgame tied to a witch that is tied to the world forever, sealed or broken, etc
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>>144467451

Not him but Robin went through some shit.
She's fine now but back then she went through some shit, Brooks had to spend 50 years alone amoungst the corpses of his friends.

If anything Oda needs to calm down on the whole sad backstory shit everyone seems to have.
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Rather than quantifying everything, can you just list some scenes from anime or manga that were particularly memorable because of extreme suffering?
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>>144467714
100/100
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>>144467727
holy shit dude you better read the fuck out of it because it's fucking crazy
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>>144467528
I'll give it a shot

>>Suffering = Y
>bullying was between +5 - +10
10
>being raped +10 - +20
20
>dying +20
20(?) She died happy(?)

>>THEY DESERVED IT = X
>being raped as a kid -10 - -5
-10
>being stupid +10 - +20
20
>being a slut +10 - +20
25

Y 50
X 35
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>>144462927
What did Kiritsugu ever do, besides kill murderers?
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>>144467801
Cry like a bitch when seihai-kun called him out on utilitarianism being a shit philosophy
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>>144463387
>>144465048
He got turned into a literal mass of brain matter meant purely for full contemplation of pain. It last about a few week/months, but that is beside the point.

Also, he at least partly earned his punishment. He lost.
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>>144467708
you can measure ANYTHING
and not OP, just the

>>144467714
(20, 30) I think
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>>144467714
Just next to Tomoko and Handa-kun.
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>>144467714
(0,100)
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>>144467528
Jesus christ some of you /a/nons are completely autistic.
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>>144467801
We are being fully japanese weeaboos and considering weakness as a sin. That's why Gary Stus and shonen characters are all in the left and viceversa
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>>144466860
Guts was a mercenary that murdered hundreds of people, he deserves to be way more right.
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>>144464326
you fucks haven't read jojolion have you? johnny suffered way more than that
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>>144467795
should I add drugs here >>144467528
as well? that was a big part of emergence girl getting placed where she is
drugs would be AT LEAST a +20
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>>144467528
>Not different types of bullying
>'being raped as a kid' specifically designed and included so that our cute Guts gets his place in the far left despite being a retarded cunt ass hole
Holy shit, please fuck off and kill yourselves in the most painful way
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>>144468001
>Guts was a mercenary that murdered hundreds of people, he deserves to be way more right.
killing people is one thing
being a soldier/merc is another
also see >>144467528
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>>144468001
it's not murder if it's in the field of battle anon
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>>144467528

Suffering =Y

Loosing more than just 1 limb +20
Watching friends die +20
Dying +20
Having to risk yourself for people +20
Suffering through time loops +10

90

They Deserved it=X

Killing people +20
Being an asshole +30
Being a smartass +5
Trying to save the world -30

0

Y 90
X 0
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>>144467528
Stop posting
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>>144468123
>>144468102
Why isn't it? It's not like he was forced to be a mercenary for so long, he's as responsible for the people he's killed than Griffith is.
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>>144468042

What if you take drugs to give you a boost since you are sick?
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>>144468193
meh, you're right I guess
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Where should she go?
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>>144468193
There's nothing morally wrong with killing if it's not murder.

On the other had, guts did kill some kid once.
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When's Helck
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>>144467528
I'll give it a shot too.

>>Suffering = Y
>being an orphan +10 - 15
+13
>being raped +10 - +20
+10
>being experimented on +10 - +20
+20
>watching all loved ones die +20 - +30
+20 (Anthy)
>having to risk yourself for people +10 - +20
+20
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>>144468225

>>144468221
thats why there's parameters
between # and #
lowest for not really highest for its DEF true
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>>144468253
>There's nothing morally wrong with killing if it's not murder
Murder is definitely morally wrong even if it's lawful.
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>can't get a girlfriend
>constantly cucked
>shit driver
>got fooled into buying a shitty Corolla, thinking it was the legendary meme machine
>obnoxious idiot

Suffering: 20
Deserving: 40
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>>144468287

But why are there parameters in stuff like loosing a limb and dying?
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>>144467772
holy shit thanks you hyped me the fuck up
gonna read it as soon as possible
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>>144467528
Gon:
>Suffering = Y
>dying +20
Giving your arm like an idiot doesn't count as "losing it"

>THEY DESERVED IT = X
>being stupid +10 - +20
>being an ass hole +20 -+30
>being an insufferable cunt +10 -+20
>being homosexual +10 - +30

Y 20
X 100
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>>144463105
But he is autistic so it doesn't really bother him.
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Where do we place this guy?
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I might need to see higurashi again. She suffered but didn't deserve it?
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>>144468330
how much it hurt, how it happened etc
its also a shit list I thought up on the fly
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>>144464473
Oh shit. Thats fucking awful
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>>144468266
I would place Utena as (55,90)
Similar as Homura for suffering, but slightly more deserving since she let cock get in the way of her mission as the slut she became.
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I would say 30/30 at the end.
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>>144468410
She relived an infinite number of loops while watching all her friends murder eachother, each time trying to avoid death. She didn't deserve it because the only reason she was being persecuted was because they experimented on her as a child without her consent and Miyo only wanted to kill her out of r9k rage.
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Almost done resizing.
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>>144468408

Suffering=Y

Watching family member die +12

They Deserved It=X

Killing people +12
Being an asshole +30
Being an insufferable cunt +20
Sacraficing loved ones +40

Y=12
X=92
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>>144467528
Squealer:
>Suffering = Y
>bullying was between +5 - +10
>being an orphan +10 - 15
>being tortured +10 - +20
>loosing a limb +10 + 20
>watching family members die +10 -+20
>being part of a persecuted group +5 - +15
>being experimented on +10 - +20
>dying +20
>watching all loved ones die +20 - +30
>loosing more than just 1 limb + 10 - +20
>having to risk yourself for people +10 - +20

>THEY DESERVED IT = X
killing people + 10 - +20
being a smartass +5
trying to save the world -20 - -30
treating companions as pawns +10 - +20

Y 210
X 15
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>>144468404
He nearly damn lost it at Four's real death
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How much does Okabe's position change due to SG0?
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I'd say he gets a (10, 45)
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>>144467528
Add a special modifier when any of that happens to them when they were children.
Increases suffering +5
Decreases responsibility -5
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>>144468678
what did okabe do that made him deserving of anything? his only offense i can think of is messing with time

>>144468670
prob add +15 - +20 to his suffering and +5 - +10 to his deserving
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>>144468551
youre a doll
>>144468736
sounds good
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>>144467439
400,000 cycles, good lord
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>>144468799

>youre a doll
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>>144467528

Kaneki

>Y
>Being an orphan
+10
>Being tortured
+20
Losing a limb
+15
Watching family members die
+15
>Being part of a persecuted group
+10
>Being experimented on
+10
Having to risk yourself for people
+10

>X
>Killing people
+10
>Being stupid
+15
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>>144468783
He gets a 10 X since he's a tad bit autistic, and since he was foolish enough to mess with time. Other than that he's good
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>>144468670
I'd say not much. He's not suffering from any time loop this time, plus he's recovering a bit quick from his suffering.
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>>144468678
45 suffering? Seems a bit low, especially if we're talking SG0 where he lives with severe PTSD from killing his waifu. 60 at least.
>>144468783
He didn't put an end to his chuuni persona soon enough, and didn't ask for help early enough.
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>>144468893
Forgot to post results
Y=90
X=25
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>>144465545
>being an orphan +10 - +15
>watching family members die +10 -+20
>being part of a persecuted group +5 - +15
>watching all loved ones die +20 - +30

>killing people + 10 - +20
>being an insufferable cunt +10 -+20
>trying to kill a love rival +20 - +30
>caring about companions -20 - 30

Y 70
X 40
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>>144468670
>>144468678
>>144468783
>>144468910
>>144468902
Are you kidding me? 0 was just dozens and dozens of hours of soul crushing suffering.
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>>144468955

Fucking stupid that this kid has the same level of suffering as Munsu. The Y axis is dumb as fuck.
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>>144466726
Can you fix it? Cuz I can't right now I'm currently using my tab to post here.
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>>144462927
Why does Subaru deserve suffering?
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>>144468996
But does SG0 actually count? It's kind of just an alternate ending to the series
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>>144466860
>Guts is somehow above the four time loopers
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Hope it's good enough. I haven't add any new suggestion yet.
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>>144468910
>he's not suffering from any time loop this time
The entire damn thing was a time loop, each route was one of the loops
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>>144469119
Because most of his suffering resulted from his stupidity.
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>>144469143
an 100% improvement over the last one.

Good job!
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>>144469143

Yamcha is higher than the girl from Sindol? Also this needs to be bigger.
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>>144469197
i mean, she only died once
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>>144469227

The suffering she had is much worse than Yamcha's. All his deaths were quick and painless.
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>>144469143
Why exactly is Griffith and Guts so high? Griffith suffered but it's not like he was tortured at all he just stopped being a special existence like everyone else was

Guts suffered but no way did he suffer more then Rika, Subaru, that something something Zero guy, and Angry Manjew
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>>144469125
>alternate ending
You can't seriously have misinterpreted 0 this poorly right
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>>144462927
retarded chart
why does umaru deserve to suffer more than griffith?
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>>144466651
When they find the clone machine, he says he's seen something like it before, and blows it the fuck up.

He shows how he feels about things by his actions, and how decisive he is about them.

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>>144469125
Seriously dude?

0 needs to happen for the True Ending of the original story to happen, and is therefore an extremely important part to the story. Pay attention
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>>144469260
>but it's not like he was tortured at all
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>>144469143
Who is that at 95 15 wit the red shit?
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>>144469294
memes
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>>144469343
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>>144469260

>Griffith not tortured.
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>>144469250
there's also the existential suffering for yamcha considering he knows he'll never be the best fighter or even the strongest human. his only purpose is to be a punching bag
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>>144469364
15 95*
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>>144462927
Don't forget her
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>>144469365
You're being a meanie!
>>
Fixed quantitative chart so it doesn't surpass 100.

>SUFFERING (Y)

Bullying: +5
Being an orphan: +10
Raped: +10
Physical torture: +10
Mental torture: +5
Permanent physical damage: +10
Losing friends/family: +5
Watching them die: +5
Risking self for others *in vain*: +10
Time loop suffering: +10
Unrequited love: +5
Suffering during childhood : +5
Dying: +10

Finding love: -5
Wins at the end: -5
Praised as hero: -5

>DESERVING (X)

Killing innocent: +10
Killing deserving: +5
Being stupid: +5
Being an asshole/smartass: +5
Being an annoying cunt: +10
Selfish desires: +10
Jealousy: +5
Being a slut: +10
Being a shut-in: +5
Not confessing to love interest: +5
Leeching off others: +5
Homo: +10
Being condescending: +5
Breaking the law: +5
Spoiled upbringing / being rich: +5

Trying to save others/the world: -5
Doing it for love: -5
Being controlled/mislead into being evil: -5
Simply misunderstood: -5
Being a genuinely nice character: -5
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>>144469401
that's 90, not 95, and it's avenger from Fate
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>>144469151
Oh right, each route is part of a recursive time loop, which feeds into the next one, right?
Though I'd prefer if each route branches from one point, instead of branching from other branches.
>>
>>144467317
>Surrounded by passive as fuck harem
Maybe if there's one or two that actually confess we should then reconsider it.
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>>144469458
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>>144469437
I definitely like this one.
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>>144467528

>Bullying
+6
>Being tortured
+18
>Losing a limb (Multiple times)
+11
>Being experimented on
Won't account for due to being the standard in that world
>Having to risk yourself for people
+20
Do I put his multiple deaths under dying or time loops? It wasn't like time was being reset each time, just his body. Either way
+20

Y Total = +75
There's no modifier for brain damage? He did lose all his memory permanently.

>Being Stupid
Doesn't happen THAT often, but still
+11
>Trying to save the world
-25
-25

X Total = -39

75,-39.
Actually seems pretty accurate to his placement on the chart.
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>>144469437
Pretty much the same spot for Kaneki
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>>144466141
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>>144467714
Shouldn't even be on the chart. He got way more rewards than the sufferings he received.
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>>144464592
Alibaba really shouldn't be that high.
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>>144469158
is that really a good reason though? He got randomly beamed up to a completely foreign world where he has no idea how anything works and he's weak as fuck compared to basically everyone else there, is it so wrong that he fucked up a few times?
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>>144462927
>Squealer did nothing wrong.
When will this meme end?
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>>144469621
True, one of the few MCs I know that fucked everyone in his harem.
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>>144469707
Whenever I see this image I think he's super muscular so his body is his neck and those gold outlines on the bottom are the edges to some shoulder-pads
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>>144469437
Lain:
>Bullying: +5
>Mental torture: +5
>Permanent physical damage: +10
>Losing friends/family: +5
>Risking self for others *in vain*: +10
>Time loop suffering: +2
>Dying: +10
>Wins at the end: -5
>Praised as hero: -5
Total: 37

>>DESERVING (X)
>Killing innocent: +10
>Killing deserving: +5
>Being an asshole/smartass: +2
>Selfish desires: +10
>Jealousy: +5
>Being a shut-in: +5
>Leeching off others: +5
>Homo: +5
>Being condescending: +5
>Breaking the law: +5
>Spoiled upbringing / being rich: +5
>Trying to save others/the world: -5
>Doing it for love: -5
>Being controlled/mislead into being evil: -5
>Simply misunderstood: -5
>Being a genuinely nice character: -5
Total: 37

37/37
Huh.
>>
>
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>>144469565
>>144469437
Fuck, let's try it again.

Bullying in childhood (+10)
Torture (+15)
Risking himself (+10)
Still can't quite place it on timeloop or dying, so both (+20)

Y 55

Stupid (+5)
Condescending (+5)
Breaking the law (+5)
Saving others (-5)
Nice character (yes, fuck you) (-5)

X 5

55, 5
Sounds more reasonable now, I like this chart better.
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>Touma
>More suffering than the girl from emergence
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>>144467868
>you can measure ANYTHING
So you're merely retarded after all.
You're just trying to compare any suffering like your stupid powerlevels.
Do the world a favor and off yourself.
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>>144469143
Why is Oberstein higher than Archer?
Archer's been suffering way longer and will continue to suffer.
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>>144469707
No idea but fucking hell is it annoying. Squealer obviously deserved what he got.
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>>144469965
>>144469707

literally did nothing wrong
punishment was overkill
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>>144469931
NT9
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>>144469143
>oberstein
>literally allowed the nuking of poor innocent villagers

He deserved his suffering more
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>>144469437
>>SUFFERING (Y)
>Mental torture: +5
>Losing friends/family: +5
>Watching them die: +5
>Unrequited love: +5
Total: 20

>>DESERVING (X)
>Killing innocent: +10
>Killing deserving: +5
>Selfish desires: +10
>Jealousy: +5
>Being a shut-in: +5
>Not confessing to love interest: +5
>Leeching off others: +5
>Homo: +10
>Breaking the law: +5
>Spoiled upbringing / being rich: +5
>Trying to save others/the world: -5
>Doing it for love: -5
>Being controlled/mislead into being evil: -5
>Simply misunderstood: -5
>Being a genuinely nice character: -5
Total: 40

The hatred for Nina is really undeserved, all things considered.
>>
Popular shows on /a/ miss:
I don't really remember much

1. Boku inai
2. Seraph
3. Monogatari
4. Chaika
5. Miuna
6. Ald zero
7. Cross Ange
8. SAO
9. Goblin slayer
10. WA2
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>>144467528
>Being Homosexual is just as bad and sometimes worse than killing people
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>>144470128
it's shit.
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>>144469260
>Subaru
>suffering more than Guts
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>>144470011
>literally did nothing wrong
Mass murdering and pillaging towns, stealing and grooming children, and waging war against another nation without just cause - only emotional appeal. Those things are all wrong.
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>>144469931
Kayo didn't suffer that much
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>>144470177
Yes and?
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>>144470177
Griffith was thinking of Guts the whole time.
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>>144467332
>Comparing men to boys.
I know an IRL story where in WW1 they gave white feathers (symbol for shame) to boys to get them to enlist in the war.

Some of them killed themselves.
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>>144469143
>Okazaki
>0 deserving
He gets at least a 10 for being a bad son
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>Couldn't surpass Roger at his prime
>Couldn't outclass the other 3 Yonkai when his crew is at peak
>Despite costing his life, couldn't even save his son from execution thanks to his son's stupidity
He lived with no true name, died with no meaning.
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>>144470128
>kayo
>X 0
but what about the NTR ?
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>>144469437
This one's really good.
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>>144470128
>Aqua not above 70 at "deserve" level
Shit list.
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>>144470128
>>144470128
>rezero shit
>nardo characters
>tokyo normie
Can this chart get more cancerous?
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>>144470198
Can you directly me at the chapter in which Guts was burned alive? Maybe an extra chapter in the Hawks scans
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>>144469437
This is so fucking stupid. Stop trying to peddle the idea that you can make a catch-all metric for this.

Why is being as bad as watching your family die? Especially given how many anime/manga orphans lose their parents in infancy.

Why is physical torture double the value of mental when the severity should matter incredibly more than the actual type of torture?

Why is timelooping given the same value to characters that can loop at will vs ones that only loop on death?

If your answer is "well you can adjust it on a per-character basis" then why did you make a scale that is predicated on such a stupid idea?
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>>144470339
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>>144469437
Seems good.
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>>144470305
>Wan Piss
>>
Why are people shitting so much on 8man? He sure was an autistic faggot but saying he deserves more than murderes/rapists is bullshit.
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>>144470213
Sure?
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>>144470177
>doesnt understand why FAG is an insult
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>>144470339
Here's the .psd.

tinyurl com/hgaxcws
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>>144470542
I actually meant to quote >>144470128, my bad.
The Emergence girl placement on the chart is good enough, she still didn't suffer as much as Touma as you said.
>>
>No Ichise

Are you retarded or something?
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>>144470132
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He entered a vicious loop of Suffering > deserving > suffering

He repented his actions and became a white knight afterwards, I'd give him a 40 suffering 30 deserving
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Where would this faggot land? I'd automatically put his suffering near the top, but he kind of broke and started liking it, does that cancel that out?
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>>144469437
Getting things written in your desktop/being ignored by two persons a couple of months = And entire school insulting you, hitting you, and the teachers themselves contributing to the ostracizing but less than being raped in your sleep, which gets the same points as getting killed in a billion iterations or being a sex slave
BRAVO
R
A
V
O
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>>144470467
Being what as bad as watching them die?

Physical torture is higher than mental because it is far more common for characters to suffer mentally, specially if going through puberty. How many anons and humans suffer mentally throughout their lives, but not physically? Want to be put on the chart too because your neetness is mental suffering?

Timelooping applies to suffering. It's a suffering chart. Besides, looping at will = looping at death. Both characters "loop" because they failed. Looping simply implies failing multiple times at the same task.

The scale serves as reference to avoid fan bias, simply readjusting the previous one.
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>>144469437
>Bullying: +5
>Being an orphan: +10
>Physical torture: +10
>Mental torture: +5
>Losing friends/family: +5
>Watching them die: +5
>Risking self for others *in vain*: +10
>Suffering during childhood : +5
55

>Being stupid: +5
>Being an asshole/smartass: +5
>Being an annoying cunt: +10
>Being a shut-in: +5
>Being condescending: +5
30

Doesn't seem like an overall good metric though, but she'd probably be 50-60 anyway.
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>>144470467
OP-kun want his seasonal self inserts to be the saddest suffering guys in this shit chart
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>>144470619
On a second thought I'd give him higher suffering, around 60

He did see his whole family get brutally murdered before his own eyes and lost his waifu later on
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>>144470529
Because nobody here understands the concept of "context".

Seeing somebody die or get tortured in a battle shonen isn't nearly the same as if it were in another genre where that kind of thing is much more unexpected and heavy.

It's like how if you asked anybody who watched/read white album 2 they'd tell you that shit like the airport scene or what happens to setsuna in coda is fucking brutal but she 100% deserves it too because she's a selfish manipulative bitch. But if you were to just rate it using >>144469437 she scores low on both axes.
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>>144470696
So Guts?
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>>144470635
Suffering
>Being an Orphan +10
>Raped +10
>Physical torture +10
>Mental torture +5
>Losing friends/family +5
>Watching them die +5
>Unrequited love +5
>Suffering during childhood +5
>Dying +10

Total 65

Deserving
>Killing deserving +5
>Being stupid +5
>Being an annoying cunt +10
>Jealousy +5
>Being a slut +10
>Homo +10
>Breaking the law +5
>Doing it for love -5

Total 45
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>>144468150
I was beginning to doubt anyone but me had ever heard of this. Did you read it in Japanese or Korean?
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>>144470644
Are you retarded?
Being ignored a couple months = bullying (5pts)
School insulting you/hitting you = Physical suffering (10pts) + mental suffering (5pts) + bullying (5pts) + Childhood suffering (5pts)

Killed in a billion iterations = Death (10pts) + timeloop (10pts)
Sex slave: Rape, physical suffering + possiblymental

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>>144470339
>subaru
>more than angry manjew
No
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>>144470582
I didn't read the LN, but "the girl from emergence" was raped by his father,hobos, random people. abandoned by her family and her "boyfriend", etc.
Again, i didn't read toaru LN so i think touma is just a faggot who prefers copies to the original shit
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>>144470796
>Guts
>seasonal
Spotted the pathetic shitposter
>>
Shouldn't the Fire Punch MC be fairly high on suffering?

I mean he spends 8 years doing nothing but burning and regenerating. His family all gets murdered, and he constantly gets cut to pieces and shot.
>>
>>144470932

subaru is SUFFERING itself
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>>144470794
>Seeing somebody die or get tortured in a battle shonen isn't nearly the same as if it were in another genre where that kind of thing is much more unexpected and heavy.

Yeah that's why soldiers who are fighting in wars never have any sort of mental trauma when they see their friends get shot or blown up. It's way easier for them than if anyone else saw their friend get hit by a car or something because that's a different genre!
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>>144470649
Being an orphan, I don't know why it cut off.

>Physical torture is higher than mental because it is far more common for characters to suffer mentally
Bullshit, take Nanoha S1 as an example. Fate gets a pretty nasty lashing but anybody who has seen it will tell you that her "mother" rejecting her and losing her sister hurt her way more than the physical pain did.

>Besides, looping at will = looping at death.
No it's not. If a character has to die to reset then they have to deal with the consequences of their actions even when they lead to an inevitable bad end. Rika having to stab herself in the throat to reset isn't the same as okabe or homura hitting a button.

It also fails to address how timelooping simultaneously can alleviate suffering. K1 and Okabe ultimately being able to create good ends takes a ton of weight off the characters that die compared to a series where the MC has to deal with permanent deaths.
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>>144469143
Why does my computer make a weird buzzing sound when I expand this image, but not anything else?

Has anyone else noticed something like this before?
I've had similar experiences with a few images of late, and one time with spoilered text when the page included it.
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>>144470954
>This newfag doesn't even know that Berserk is airing this season
Go back to working in your chart and suffering points
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>>144462927
Everything about this chart is bullshit but cmon man emergence girl shouldn't be that low and far too the side.
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>>144469437
Suffering:

Bullying +5
Orphan +10
Physical torture +10
Mental torture +5
Losing friends/family +5
Risking self for others in vain +10
Unrequited love +5
Suffering during childhood +5

Total: 55

Deserving:

Killing innocent +10
Killing deserving +5
Being stupid +5
Being an annoying cunt +10
Selfish desires +10
Jealousy +5
Not confessing to love interest +5
Leeching of others +5
Breaking the law +5

Doing it for love -5
Simply misunderstood -5

Total: 50
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>>144471171
I remember having a 32mb ram too
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>>144471121
Who's the delinquent looking guy near the top right?
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>making something this complex
There's no point in continuing this now that you have your curve. Especially now that it has no meaning and you are just "filling space" with things that don't pertain to the original meaning of a chart like this.

Suffering 0-10
0 being whichever moeblobs are on that level
1
2
3
4
5 being Ed/RedMan
6
7
8
9 being Guts
10 being Homura

Fill in the blanks with recognizable anime/mango. The beauty of shitposting with a chart like this is keeping it simple. Pic related to beauty in simplicity.
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>>144471121
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>>144470433
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>>144471252
My ram is 8 gigs, the sound only occurs through the headphones when certian images or apperently text is within the window. If I scroll down the sound goes away, if I minimize the image the sound goes away.

I wasn't fishing for idiots like you to reply with your smartass comments, if you have nothing productive to say don't bother.
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>>144471331
>frogposter
Back to >>>/r9k/ with your retarded charts
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>>144471380
>My ram is 8 gigs
Congratulations, rat kid
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>>144471376
>3DPD pic
Oh. As expected from the /v/ meme spouter!
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>>144471390
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>>144471043
Ok so you're saying if some battle shonen MC's mentor figure dies a cliche help-the-mc-grow death that it is completely equal to some kid in a coming of age drama who walks home to his mom's body dangling from a noose.
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>>144469197
she liked it for a time
>>144465206
this guy too
>>144464605
underrated anime
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>>144471181
I wasn't talking about new CGI Berserk anime but Guts character who is well-known on /a/ for a while, newcancer
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I'm going to sleep.
Goodbye anons.
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>>144471124

>. Fate gets a pretty nasty lashing but anybody who has seen it will tell you that her "mother" rejecting her and losing her sister hurt her way more than the physical pain did.
If that is the case, then it would be mental torture + losing family + unrequitted mother love + suffering during childhood. All those definitely add up to the double of physical suffering, which must be noted is SUFFERING for a reason, not just being attacked once. You shouldn't focus on just one category but assess the character as a whole.

>Rika having to stab herself in the throat to reset isn't the same as okabe or homura hitting a button.
Which is why Rika would get the physical torture points as well. However, Homura hitting the button still means that she failed, just like Rika failed at finding the culprit. Again, timelooping is just one specific section and a character should be assessed as a whole. All characters suffered the same pain multiple times due to timelooping, which gets the specific timeloop points. If it were someone who timeloops just for fun, then they should clearly not be addressed in the suffering chart. Regarding timelooping to alleviate suffering to find a good ending, then they would receive a -5 since "character wins at the end" vs someone who doesn't.
>Being an orphan being the same as watching them die
It's not the same. If you are an orphan, you get +5. But if you are an orphan AND watch them die, you get +10. You cannot watch them die without being an orphan. It's just added points for witnessing it.

Just trying to clarify the reasoning behind the chart. Again, it's just there to serve as a reference against biased opinions such as MAI WAIFU IS MOST INNOCENT!!! I HAVE NO PROOF THO JUST BELIEVE ME!!
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I don't get it
X is where he should be or how much he deserved it
>Edward should be on 50
Or
>Edward only deserved 50/100 what he suffered
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asuka at around (60,70) constantly got one-upped by baka shinji and eventually got molested by him in her sleep, plus got mindbroken. mother went crazy also. deserved it too because she was a huge bitch
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>>144471121
Rika shouldn't be lower than any of those characters at 90-95. Personally I would be willing to take any of these characters' place than be living in Hinamizawa during the Great Hinamizawa Disaster.
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>>144470011
Blood crazed jacobins gonna jacobin.
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>>144471684
Go back to 5th grade math class.
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>>144471465
>a 3Dshit image
Crossboarding cancer detected
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>>144470198
Subaru has already suffered multiple horrible deaths in the span of a couple weeks. Guts is not allowed to die.
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>>144471610
Who's in the two top right? At 70,95 and 90,90 respectively
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>>144471720
The one thing that lowers her suffering is the fact that she won at the end and had a perfect, happy ending. While characters such as Homura or Utena didn't win but lost their loved ones in timeloop fates and betrayal.
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>>144471412
I should have known not to expect anything better than worthless shitposts from shitstains like you, especially with my original post being off topic to begin with.
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why the hell is the girl from emergenge more deserving than subaru?
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>>144471582
>I wasn't talking about Berserk anime but Guts (character from Berserk and obvious self insert)
Ouch the /v/ underage hurts
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>>144471610
Good. Don't come back though
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Can someone explain how Yotsuba suffered more than Machi?
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>>144462927
Move Tomoya up if I were in his situation by the end of After Story I would suicide immediately
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>>144471803
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>>144471610
The chart doesn't hold up around the 50-60 tier. There's no way Slaine, Sasuke, and Gaara suffered as much as Casshern or Marida.
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>>144471848
I love you too.
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>>144471786
Natsuki Subaru and Griffith.

You really need to watch more anime.
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>>144471832
>says one is from /v/ and underage
>posts a disgusting devianart pic
Ouch the irony.
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>>144469437
Y Axis:
>Dying +10
>Remembered as a villain +5
>Losing friends/family +5
>Watching them die +5
>Childhood suffering +5
>Being an orphan +5
>Mental Torture +5
>Wins at the end -5
Y Total: 35

X Axis:
>Killing innocent +10
>Killing deserving +5
>Being an asshole/smartass +5
>Selfish Desires +10
>Being an annoying cunt +10
>Being Condescending +5
>Breaking the law +5
>Spoiled upbringing/being rich +5
>Trying to save others/the world -5
>Doing it for love -5
X Total: 45
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>>144471769
Those aren't 3D, they are 2D art and 2D pictures.
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>>144467772
>just read it a couple weeks back

Pretty good series in my book, nice amount of suffering sprinkled with adorable couple scenes and a nice ending.
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>>144472033
Perfect
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