Blessings. Blessings everywhere.
There's just much to discuss. Vol 10 is another vol 9 with Utaha instead of Eriri. Maruto has been holding out development for two volumes in a row now. Funny how a side story like GS2 has had the most development after volume 7.
>Utaha was rejected in V7
>Utaha still forced even though she has left the circle and already lost the Tomoyabowl
>Her story was supposed to be over
ahahah.I was delusional
reminder she is still in the game,
Vol 7 Tomoya's first kiss by Utaha
Vol 8 look picture happy couple
Volume 10 confirmed Tomoya has feelings for her and Utaha no lost the tomoyabowl Utaha still loves him so sorry but she is still in the game, especially since Tomoya hasn't picked anyone yet.
She won't win, but at least she's ahead of Eriri in the race.
Can someone explain to me why Utaha has lost already? I'm guessing it's because E and U left T, but it seems like people are singling out U more. Is it just because volume 10 is about to switch to focusing on U again?
Also, is it delusional to think E and U still have a chance? Why would they even be the LN anymore if they didn't?
>Yes, the main heroine in the story is exactly like Utaha — a prodigy, a goddess, a creator — but that’s exactly the problem: even without the main protagonist, the heroine is capable to walk down her own path. There is no way such a strong girl can be the main heroine of the game.
>Those words pierced through Tomoya’s heart. Both of them who used to walk together are now continuing on each of their own path.
I think it's now definitely over for Utaha, anon.
Tomoya wrote an Utaha route, but the heroine in that route doesn't reflect the real Utaha. The real Utaha is stronger and would never limit herself by getting together with Tomoya. She would keep on aiming higher and higher with her writing career.
Utaha never really stood a chance. Tomoya author-zoned her hard before the series even began.
If you're familiar with Maruto's other works, you'd see that girls like Eriri (girls with past connection with the MC) are favored over girls who don't share that bond no matter what, so you can't rule her out until Tomoya actually picks someone else.
A few factors. Utaha have been benched since volume 7, wasn't a part of the love triangle the author was building, and she did took herself out of the race in volume 7, or at least that was her intention with the whole betrayal-so-you-will-remember-me plan.
Volume 10 is a return for Utaha, but it seems like the author's intent is to give Utaha route closure, as suggested here >>144458661.
So the idea is T idolizes U so much he can't possibly see her in a romantic light? Sounds like bakemonogatari shit.
Is it weird to assume that this being addressed in vol. 10 means it'll be "fixed" later on? Or is it for sure "closure" instead? The pierce heart quotes makes me think T will reflect on it and change himself somehow.
Honestly I just want more suffering on both sides. Vol 7. was definitely the most entertaining for me, even if it gave off NTR vibes. I'm really hoping for more love triangles, or an ending where nobody wins.
It's more like Utaha isn't the moege heroine he's looking for. It'd be a hell of a lot easier to explain if the last few paragraphs of the last chapter were translated.
It's too soon to tell if any of that is definite. Right now Utaha's statement is a challenge directed at herself so she can develop. She can't accept the heroine Tomoya made because she herself isn't as strong and perfect as the girl Tomoya sees and believes in.
It seems more like the heroine needs to complement the MC and vice versa. Utaha and Tomoya never had that kind of relationship. They're on completely different wavelengths. No matter how much she tries, she won't have good chemistry or an intimate relationship with him that can bud romance.
I don't think she will lose in her own manga, but Maruto is a well-known sadist and can make Mayu the winner without a problem.
Why is that? She's the girl who has done the most for Tomoya, and their relationship is what works best for both of them.
I'm pretty convinced now that U won't win based on what everyone is saying. I try to imagine a scenario where they get together and it doesn't make sense, in light of what's happened in vol. 10.
It's looking more and more like her ultimatum about becoming better is closure or an end rather than romantic hopes.
What about E though? There's a lot of parallels between her and U, and I similarly can't imagine a situation where she would get together with T. It feels like the only realistic ending would be something like Spotted Flower, where content creators don't win, but the "outsider" does.
Well, Eriri has it a lot easier than Utaha since she was Tomoya's first love and he still has feelings for her. That's why I mentioned Maruto's other works where that girl typically trumps the competition in the end regardless of the setbacks and apparent impossiblity of the relationship.
The author should have kept focusing on the new circle. Bringing Utaha and Eriri back and keeping the focus on them, especially after all the drama they caused in volume 7 for leaving, and how it meant to symbolize them parting ways for a long while, leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth.
I guess he can't pull a timeskip like he did in WA2.
It feels like there's a pattern with her though, where whenever T gets comfortable with her or they reconcile/get together for a bit, some crisis occurs and Eriri essentially backs out.
I guess realistically it's only happened twice, but she seems to seriously prioritize her identity/work over a relationship, and this makes me think the journey to an end with T and E would be long and hard if not impossible.
Now that I think about it, it feels like the other end of the spectrum compared to U and T. T "rejects" U, but in E and T, E "rejects" T.
What I'm hoping for is that the light being shined on E and U is a precursor to an eventual larger scale conflict between their two circles. That'd be delicious to read about, especially since the author has been teasing it ever since the commercial.
Doesn't the girl that emotionally suffers the most usually win in Maruto's works? If we go by that then either Eriri or Utaha would win. But Megumi is like a wrench in the system and her win is too obvious.
The fact that they're acting so flawed is entertaining to me, as well as how their flawed actions cause conflict on the MC and their group dynamics. I really enjoy the drama that occurs from it - I'd much rather have that rather than see M and T be lovey dovey or something like that.
Eventually I'd like to see focus on the new circle, but it should be based on their conflicts/inadequacies they feel because of E and U. I want to see a combination of suffering and "trumping" on both sides, and wouldn't mind having more E and U arcs to see it.
>the girl that emotionally suffers the most usually win in Maruto's works?
That's not even close to being true.
I can perfectly see a nobody wins ending in Saekano, where Tomoya will still have his feelings for Eriri.
Prioritizing her artist career shouldn't be a problem for Eriri if only she knew how to handle things properly.
But yeah, I agree. It feels like Saekano is the opposite of WA2. Here, the "true love" isn't meant to be. Eriri and Tomoya simply aren't meant to be together. Eriri may have the win served on a silver latter, but she will find a way to fuck it up.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how susceptible to fans and outside pressure was Maruto when writing White Album 2? I've never read the WA VN, but was the ending a surprise or expected by the fanbase?
VNs are different. They're all released at once while LNs are released in stages. And frankly, it's a VN, no one gives a fuck about who wins because everyone wins in their own route.
Kazusa is almost universally the most popular girl in WA2. The thing with VNs is that you write routes for each heroine and they are all canon, though one route is the "main". With LNs, you can only have one route.
Dumb question then. But why is everyone so sure of Maruto will do? It seems like their conjecturing from his other projects, and some explicitly say that his producer or fans will dictate the ending.
>It seems like their conjecturing from his other projects will dictate the ending.
It's not that I'm saying Eriri will win for sure. In fact I'm a Megumifag and think Megumi will be the winner, but given the author's record, it isn't delusional to think Eriri has a chance.
Sorry, it wasn't too clear but I'm actually asking this because of the last Saekano thread, which was admittedly full of shitposts. In it, a lot of people just kind of assumed Maruto was the kind of author to bend over to fan's popularity contests and the like.
Fun fact, Maruto actually expected the lively, hot and dream of every otaku, Utaha and Eriri to be way more popular than the apparently boring and plain Megumi when he released the first volume. He even assigned Eriri to the first cover. Then Megumi would be winning people over as the story advanced and people discovered more things about her character. That was his plan.
To his surprise, LN readers were all over Megumi since the start. Of course, that didn't change the way he wrote his story. He kept denying Megumi a novel cover and any kind of romantic development with Tomoya for the first 6 volumes while the other heroines got even several novel covers and raised flags with him here and there. And all that paid off with volume 7.
It seems like this is the editor telling him to drag the story out. He already forced Maruto to delay volume 7 and release a side story in its place to match the airing of the first season of the anime. The story will probably have a volume 7-tier twist shortly before S2 starts. I wouldn't be surprised if he releases another side story next.
That sounds pretty hilarious, considering how editor/writer relationship is a pretty big dynamic in the writing. He has pretty strong opinions/ideas about them - wondering now if it's a bleed effect.
Eriri's mom is so hot. I'd pick her over her daughter any day.
Considering volumes 9 and 10 are just Tomoya rehashing both Eriri's and Utaha's plot points into a scenario format, does that mean that Maruto will stretch this out even further and give each of the other girls their own volumes before finally finishing this?
She looks like Eriri with black hair though.
But with a mature and sophisticated aura.
in vol7 Tomoya's room having a love consultation session for him. Megumi seems to have gotten Tomoya to admit that Eriri is his first love. She asks him if he's going to confess to Utaha, who graduates the next day. Tomoya says Megumi's questions are getting too much for him(hesitated to answer of his question tsundere) and asserts that he admires Utaha (as a writer).
Kato know the feeling of Tomoya for Utaha
megumi asked him about his feeling about her (Utaha).. directly... and didn't was a clearly answer because his feeling about her ambiguous. And the other hand, he said Eriri was his first love(was).
I would say it's the latter as well. Eriri is very special for Tomoya, but I haven't really seen anything that necessarily indicates Tomoya is still in love with her.
Megumi knows and understands Tomoya quite well, so I would like to think that she already knew the answers to the questions, but she asked him anyway just to confirm.
brief summary about volume 10
>As always Tomoya acted like a huge idiot, this happened mainly because when he heard Utaha rejecting his heroine (which means rejecting the way he feels about Utaha) his feelings were affected too(Why???friendship yes but it is obvious that his feelings for her are stronger) and now Tomoya and Utaha who used to be together now started to move away, on different paths.
>you will never make a girl this angry because she's jealous of you
>Utaha loses confidence because of Akane, but Eriri is strong enough to withstand Akane now
>Now it's Eriri turn to protect Utaha
Eriri x Utaha is the best pairing reminder.
I hope their intimate and close atmosphere isn't foreshadowing for suffering in the future. Or if there's suffering, there has to be a happy end.
Do you honestly believe Akane would go easy? As I recall, she ripped Eriri hard the first time. Eriri haveimproved but Akane is still harsh. Eriri kinda got used to Akan'e critique and accepted that she still have some ways to go.
How is that? Utaha should be improving too. Besides, Eriri cried the time Akane destroyed her in GS, didn't she? She didn't lose confidence then, instead she took it upon herself to improve with strengthened resolve. So Akane going all-out wouldn't make Eriri take a step back.
>some crisis occurs and Eriri essentially backs out.
>Eriri may have the win served on a silver latter, but she will find a way to fuck it up.
Hello no. Isn't easy, everytime she is things fine Megumi starts making her uncalled remarks and indirect commentaries triggering said situations.
WA2 fandom calls Touma the True End of the game, and if you know Setsuna route, that shit is depressing and in no way is good at all, feels likea bad end.
This time is different, is a LN, Maruto works for a Brand and with an editor.
>says on vol.5 novel is close to end.
>vol.7 feels like an end
>actually isn't actually the End XD
>stretches the shit out of its contents
>brings back characters that left
>reduces the "winner girl" screen time
To be honest the planning for Saekano after vol.7 is shit and is clear that they're only milking the series as much as they can.
He never said that faggot, stop spreading lies.
I don't know where you got that from but the author-editor relationship can be pretty strained and cause stress affecting the quality of the story.
>everytime she is things fine Megumi starts making her uncalled remarks and indirect commentaries triggering said situations.
Megumi had nothing to do with Eriri's fuck up in leaving the circle, delusional Eririfag.
I find ironic that as interesting as Megumi could have been her as end girl sounds boring and predictable.
To be honest I don't want any of the girls end with this faggot if spoilers are true. He isn't deserving of such cuties and said cuties don't deserve such a fag that will cause them to suffer.
>He never said that faggot, stop spreading lies.
Maybe you should read afterwords and interviews. If you can't, you can check the first blog that did the summaries for this series, I think it's mentioned in one of the comments.
Actually, it's different, Eriri takes the critics and as harsh as they are she can endures it because it wasn't Tomoya the one doing the critics.
Utaha in the other hand thought her work is something what Tomoya would like so by doing that she lost focus and Akane called her on that. She realised that and felt like shit.
At least that's why I understood with my moonfu.
Utaha tried to write like she did for romance novels and gave it a bittersweet ending. Akane called it half-assed and told her to go for a good or a bad end. She also called Utaha talentless. You have to keep in mind she praises Eriri here and there while she's been doing nothing but shitting on Utaha for weeks.
>What I'm hoping for is that the light being shined on E and U is a precursor to an eventual larger scale conflict between their two circles. That'd be delicious to read about, especially since the author has been teasing it ever since the commercial.
Not happening, author pussied out on this.
>*15,215 Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata Vol.7
>*30,569 Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata Vol.8
>*28,488 Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata Vol.9
>*23,800 Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata Girls Side Vol.2
Sales actually improved after volume 7. That anon is talking out of his ass.
I dunno. If the story ends like in volume 7, Megumi as an end girl would be the most exciting scenario possible.
I think they already did.
I expected the novels post vol.7 to be perhaps about Tomoya growing the fuck up after E and U left, but nope. It's all shit over again, and I feel likes E and U are being wasted.
The series needs more Megumi lewding.
No, you should be comparing Tomoya to Sorata. They even have the same VA.
They are making one for Utaha as well. I guess no one really gives a shit about Eriri in Japan.
>Sorata at least make moves on a girl and dated her.
And fucked her.
Sakurasou is my tiny bit of hope for Tomoya fucking Megumi in Saekano.
>She doesn't want to be on his pedestal since she knows it author-zones her.
Yeah but the problem is he doesn't understand that. Tomoya is a beta with a complex, any other guy would be more receptive with all that sexy thrown at him.
How do you know Utaha is throwing him "fuck me" signals? She could be teasing him.
>This does not seem like she is fine with it.
That is just a pic of a more or less blank expression.
>Izumi realizes she’s had it wrong all along and resolves to draw the perfect tearjerker ending where the blonde heroine gets killed off.
My sides. Izumi needs more focus.
>Takes a shit
>Calls it a girl
Why the fuck is this allowed?
Is ESL the new buzzword for Megumishitposters now? Are you really going to nitpick someones grammatical error from over 5 hours ago? You can quit projecting now Purjeet your inferiority complex is showing.
>Not even a Megumifag
That sounds exactly like what a Megumifag would say. By the way I'm totally a Utahafag too.
Utaha is best girl.
Don't reply if you don't agree with this post.
>literally nitpicking a grammatical error
Sasuga Purjeet your dedication to the English language is an inspiration to us all.
>It had been about two hours since we left Tokyo Station. I had finally gotten the honor of sitting next to Megumi…Megumi-sama. Though her words hadn’t gotten any friendlier.
>This dark atmosphere, pressure, despair. This is what it feels like when Megumi gets dark.
When the fuck did Megumi become the yandere?
>Name of you dad
Hey your facade is beginning to crumble. During the last thread you said that "No U" comebacks are not allowed anymore so why the hell are you going back to your cheap tactics again.
I'll bite. Strong have many definitions, and Eriri is strong. She is very passionate, determinate, and works hard even it means getting hurt or hurting others, even if she doesn't want to. But Eriri is weak as well. She has pride and likes to keep a tough front, but she can break down and get emotional, which is reserved for people she doesn't mind showing weakness in front of.
>Resorting to your mom jokes
Confirmed underaged poster
Living in the Far East
Why do you keep digging your own grave man, holy shit man just quit now. You know what I'm gonna go ahead and have mercy on you by going to sleep right now. I know it's in the middle of the day there in the Philippines but it's 12 oclock at night for me. Good night Marco Santos, or should I say, "good morning" instead?
Serious talk, Maruto's favorite is either Megumi or Utaha. The former for character and the latter for design.
I don't think he hates anyone in the cast. Suffering is just inherent to his writing ability.
I will go to sleep now. Thanks for worrying about me but I don't have to worry about my parents nagging me after I moved out of the house, but my Boss might get mad if I'm late tommorow morning. I hope you have a good day yourself Attetekumbo Bimbojata I really hope you find a job soon so that you can finally provide for your family instead of spending hours at the Internet cafe shitposting on 4chan or Scamming old people online.
Utaha and Michiru already provide all the fapping material I need from this series.
Only post-volume 6 Eriri is good. She went a bit to shit in volume 7 but GS2 made her likeable again. I don't get why her rabid fans try to sell her as the greatest thing to ever graced this series and the only reason the series is worth following when that's far from being true from an objective standpoint.
Nice blatant twisted insinuation that still doesn't support your implication. On the other hand, Megumifags always praise how perfect Megumi is, muh blessing, the only girl that matters, and so on.
>Might aswell watch paint dry or go watch Normalfags walk around in the park.
>It would be shit.
>Saekano without conflict, drama, and a Goddess like Eriri would be boring and less fappable.
Is that better? I'd like you to find posts saying that Megumi is the only girl that matters.
>tfw S2 will not have an ED as good as MERRY GO ROUNDO
Wait. You're basing it off that one remark made in a humor atmosphere when she and Tomoya shared a real close moment? You can't take that seriously. All the attempts Eriri makes and shows throws her into the serious love interest pool. It isn't until volume 7 that showed she has more character than just that
Saekano is pretty boring. I'm not a fanboy so I'm not going to be deluded about it. Most harems aren't perfect, and even less are actually good. Most people enjoy harem for a handful of reason. Eriri is my reason and she's the main factor that helps me through a boring series like LN. That isn't to say there aren't a few other things that are enjoyable.
She still told him and it was an emotional scene. You're being overly critical for no good reason
When she was a kid and when Tomoya didn't consider her feelings either? That's low and you know it.
Kids are actually more likely to cling onto their childhood friend than anything. Most of them only get separated for external reasons. No one can say they didn't see it coming when Eriri pulled that shit in volume 7.
You technically aren't right. But since I mostly enjoy the series for her, you'll just twist it and say that's the came anyways.
>entitled to your opinion
You sure? You attacked anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion though.
Where? Eriri can't even get decent praises without making some other certain fans mad and uptight. In terms of praises, Megumi gets them all the time to high heaven level, so why don't you say anything about that?
>Actually quotes them this time
>And still none of them directly supports his implications
Not better for you. People that don't agree with your or like her as a favorite doesn't mean greatest hing ever. And there's nothing wrong with having her as a favorite because people have different opinions.
No, all those rabid fans care about. But to be honest, Eririfags saying that they like Megumi or Izumi or Michiru or Tomoya or the story overall are so rare they might as well not exist.
You're backpedaling now. You generalization and implied something that isn't true in a general sense, and you did that by talking about all of her fans. Even in your reply to me, you literally said you know what every Eririfag thinks and likes.
instead of a final volume, you get a short VN for all possible endings to fit with the theme of the game
Ben-to kinda already did that.
If I can't read then we wouldn't be having this argument. You dropped "rabid fans" and connected that to the believe you knew every Eririfag. You don't differentiate them or specific a certain group. Your statements are clearly worded in a way to mislead people into thinking every fans act the way you implied here >>144474513. By the way, your opinion does not equal fact.
What they like is is as obvious and simple as any other fans. Your point here is moot.
You really don't get it. Their hivemind-like responses to the post asking about Saekano without Eriri was what made me question their reasoning. So every Eririfag that falls within that mindset is included in my argument and if they don't share that mindset they do not. Simple as that.
Your post here is the "what I meant to say" response. I laid out conclusive facts based on your quotes and logic that isn't misinterpreted at all. Your wording and assertions was clear.
Most of the quotes you greentexted hardly supports your assertion. You quoted mine and even the anon who made a reasonable argument. It's obvious doubt in your mind here is posts that you disagree with, probably because they have the word boring in them.
Megumi come to stop the arguments
No, you assumed I was speaking for all Eririfags because you misread one of my lines.
Saying the series would be boring or shit without one side character is confirming they don't really care about the series. It's not about disagreeing, because they're entitled to their opinions, but the fact most Eririfags who post here only bother to the series for one girl and yet are so vocal and hivemind-like about it.
Show it then. If you can then I'll concede, but I've gone over your posts several times and I'm certain I didn't misread anything.
>one side character
The truth you've been hold down finally slips up. You're definitely a hater just saying if you believe the second main girl is just some side character. I'll humor though. Saying it's shit or boring without her is an opnion of those who obviously likes her most and it's "entitled" opinion. There's no doubt for you to pick at. There's no designation that suggests greatest thing ever strawman you implied. People can like other things, but still watch mainly for certain characters. That's nothing new around here.
Megumifags actually do what you complained about more than anyone, yet you don't say at hing about that. Why? Because you like her and in your opinion that's true. To sum it up here, it's okay if fans you like are vocal and mainly care only about Megumi, but it's not okay for fans that do the same for Eriri, regardless if they like other things or not too.
>show it then
>>I know all Eririfags care about is their girl and don't really like the series.
All they care about, not they all care about.
For the rest, yes, I already told you they're valid opinions. The greatest thing ever is my interpretation of the posts saying the series would be boring because Eriri oh so singlehandedly makes it interesting with her drama and conflict, aspects that aren't exclusive to her by the way. Call it strawman if you want but that's how I see those posts. And no, I've seen arguments even between Megumifags, they are the largest group and their replies at least are varied. In the end, that's the issue here, the hivemind-like replies.
>All they care about, not they all care about.
You forgot >>144476992. Your wording was explicit. There's is no misunderstanding. You may have cleared it up now by expressing what you intended to convey, but that's a different point.
You're trying too hard to make people who likes her most and watch or read it for her into a special case that needs to be examined and criticize when it isn't new or exclusive to her, it's not even remotely new or exclusive to harem in general for tons of anons. Occam's razor. The reason you make a big deal out of this is because you don't like her. That's it.
>that's how I see those posts
Through biased vision since Megumifags do it too. They are the largest base so they are objectively higher on the vocal count. Check your original argument. The real issue was you generalizing entire fanbase for something that actually seldom happens in the way you were strawmanning.
>all they care about is != they all care about this
>You're trying too hard to make people who likes her most and watch or read it for her into a special case that needs to be examined and criticize when it isn't new or exclusive to her
Not really. Utahafags like Utaha but they are hardly ever vocal about things that aren't Utaha. They don't try to shill her as the ultimate reason the series is good. Eririfags on the other hand treat their opinions as facts and try to convince everyone that Eriri is what makes the series good. Every Eririfag who talks about the series is like this and that's what's bothersome. Questioning those fans isn't generalizing.
Dude, the guy literally implied there was no way she could be in love with him and said hat to her face.
He isn't pretending like Kodaka, Tomoya is a full blown asexual autist.
I mean, there are ways this author can elicit an emotional response from the most people possible, even those who are extremely familiar with his works and/or well-versed in the harem genre.
I'm going to marry Megumi and make her the happiest girl in the world.
>tfw no qt illustrator gf who wants to remove Eririscum
>Megumi hasn't been dere to Tomoya since Volume 8
What went wrong?
Now that the shitposting radicals are gone. Time to post the real OTP.
Me on the left.
Them wenches are making her jealous. Looking back at the start of the series, Megumi went from being nice and indifferent to being cold and mordant.
That ruins a lot of her appeal. From Volumes 1-8 Megumi was supposed to be a really nice girl with only occasional hints of being mad. Now Maruto's flanderized her into being a cold bitch 24/7.
Eh, I find her amusing. She shoud force Tomoya to confess to Eriri. More hilarity ensues.
She needs more good scenes with Tomoya like this. Lately only Eriri has been raising flags with Tomoya.
>you will never have a threesome with Utaha and Megumi
I hope season 2 gives us more sexy Megumi.
But she does. Look at this face, she wanted the D so badly that night and Tomoya wouldn't even lay a finger on her.
>Still can't find highres of these
Utaha would be completely submissive in bed.
I want Mayu to win the T-bowl. Sorry Utaha, you are upstaged by another girl even in your own AU manga without Megumi and Eriri.
The manga can take another different route but it'd be great if Maruto sticks to his themes in both works.
>>season 2 never
Season 2 is airing next spring.
>Third event: Utaha forces the MC down, forces him to drink soda by pretending it was champagne, holding it in her mouth and kissing him, then implied sex scene
>Fourth event: MC forces Utaha down, kisses her, then implied sex scene
I don't know if Tomoya is dense and obtuse or just a motherfucking troll.
Akane is equally as harsh. It's just that Eriri got better so she received less criticism at the moment. Aside from that, Eriri has been suffering for many years longer than Utaha. She always have to make hard choices that pains her.
Everyone here is entitled to their own opinions but
Utaha is my favorite