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Is this shit right or need changes.
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>no Kaneki
wut?
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>>144450061
Fixed your chart OP ;)
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Add Kouji
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>>144450061
I'd up Archer about to lower than Guts
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Archer is fucked until the end of time, and maybe even beyond it, since we're talking multiverse shit.
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>Guts above Ichise

I mean, at least Guts' had his couple of hopeful moments.
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>>144450061
>subaru level suffering not atleast on ichise level.
His happy go lucky attitude is a coping mechanism.
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All the fucking life of guts is tragic his mother die when he was a kid and was reped and have to kill his father even been a kid after that all his friends were killed by his best friend and now he is figthing against facking gods
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>>144450241
>not using pic related
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>>144450717
doesn't that just drive the dagger in deeper though
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>>144450061
>Ichise
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>>144450061
>being meguca is suffering
>being Lancer is suffering
>neither is on list
Do you even meme?
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Where's Kirito and Kaneki?
They both had more harder life than those people combined.
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>>144450061
Yes, as long as you make sure to put Touma on the same level as Homu here >>144450241
and throw Okabe Rintarou somewhere
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>>144450061
Where's Tomoko you fuck?
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>>144450061
Where does Rika lie on this chart? Shes lived hundreds of years in increasingly shorter loops in which all her friends brutally kill each other or her and each loop ends with her being killed.
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>>144450061
>>144450241
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>>144451396
Slightly above Subaru I'd guess.
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Why is Edward there? I don't remember him suffering much in the manga. Never watched either anime.
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>>144451396
Rika is around Okabe and Archer. She had moments of happiness with her friends and ended up with a happy end.
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>>144451447
Harima is a shit. He had fucking top-tier girls after his dick but he was only interested in the shit girl even when she absolutely turned him down, he decided to keep gunning for her anyway. He brought all of his suffering on himself.
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>>144451459
Shes far above Okabe in terms of something. People with hinamizawa syndrome do shit like feed you needles, tear your skin off, nail you to a cross and rip your fingernails off, bury you alive, etc.
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>>144450241
Came to post this
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How many time cycles did Okabe go through anyway?
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>>144451304
This is the most reddit post I've read all day.
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>>144450061
Shinji shouldn't even be in there, he's just a pussy like the rest of you neets
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>>144451184
>being Lancer is suffering

Eh, he doesn't do too bad.
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>>144450061
Move Archer to top, Edward to bottom, and switch Okabe with Subaru
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Why is this subaru guy on there. He just died a few times without any consequences. The suffering is all on him being stupid and not using his ability right. If those few meaningless deaths mean suffering, Then Tom Cruise should be on here.
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Op here in tow days I will post this shit with changes
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>>144451580
i don't think it's ever stated, maybe 7 were shown in true route.
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>>144450061
Top three are perfect though.
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>>144450061
I think it has to do with the writing. Like, people are saying archer suffers more, but Gutts suffering is just written better, and seems more real, which makes it more unbearable. I don't mean demons and shit are more real or anything, but the way it's handled is. Ed has some rough shit, like dead family, brothers soul is kinda flimsy, lost two limbs, but in the end, it gets a pretty happy ending.
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>>144451486
Okabe doesnt get beaten to death by his friends at the end of each loop to the point of desensitization and indiscriminate trivialization of human life.

Okabe also never tried to murder his friend with a chair in cold blood in the middle of a classroom because she was talking shit and he was also under the assumption it doesnt matter anyways.
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>>144450061
>Edward

He had his sad moments, but he shouldn't be anywhere near that list. Especially since he got best end accomplish his original goal and getting together with his waifu.
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>no Takeru
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>>144450061
>toyota
>that low
He doesn't even have control over his super special power and little power besides it.
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>>144451682
Yeah, but he doesn't even get that in the other routes, and Fate/Zero Lancer gets constantly shafted out of his "muh honorable fight"
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>>144450725
He's suffering on a meta level with the new anime being so awful.
And we're only two episodes in!
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>>144451895
Too bad the story is so sloppy and his character has no background so that no one cares.
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>>144450061
>Edward suffering anything
>muh couldnt save a loli

Fuck off.
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>>144451909
>it's dangalang time
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>>144450061
there is only one suffering-man
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>>144452035
Subaru is not meant to be a likable character, so watching him suffer hurts a lot less.
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>>144451304
Is Othinus stuck being an onahole forever?
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>>144451900
He gets a decent fight in Fate. Fuck, fighting Gil 1 on 1 in a small room for hours is more than most could manage.
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>>144452332
Yes. And since the value of the suffering to the viewer is the only potentially measurable factor, his suffering is thus diminished.
Of course this also means these charts are completely useless to argue over.
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>>144452332
this.
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>>144450061
>Archer that low

He is doomed for all eternity to kill people while is only wish was to save them, with no chance of escape since he was removed from the wheel of time.
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>>144450986
Not as much as self actualizing before it all comes crumbling down. Guts only became a person after his suffering began
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>>144452390
But it happens off-screen, so for all we know Gil one-shot him and then took a nap.
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>>144450241
Dumb Homura poster.
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>>144452432
That isnt exactly suffering if he's doing it for what he believes in.


I'm just playing with this one
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>>144451304

Instead of becoming a jaded mental wreck, he ended up gaining a cute fairy on his shoulder and he gets a little nervous whenever he gets involved with magic gods.

Suffering my ass. There are side characters who got shit all over without muh billions of worlds and they actually had consequences.
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>>144450241
>hi guys, Madoka was my first "edgy" animu
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>>144451909
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>>144452549
Nice job not getting the joke chef Sperg R D
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>>144452332
>>144452424
>>144452429
If you don't feel bad for someone who suffers and dies over and over you are a nigger, regardless of how much you like them.
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>>144452586
Puck is the only good thing about this.
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>pic related not top of the list
His pain is far greater than yours.
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Where are the siblings from grave of the fireflies?
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>>144450061
Are we counting steins;gate zero while putting Okabe in there? I s his suffering really that bad?


Subaru should be higher than edward, in fact Hohenheim should also be higher than edward if he were included.
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>>144452608
Classic newfag post
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>>144452608
But you also have to keep in mind that Subaru's story is about him getting his shit together and realizing what a cock he's been, we already know Subaru has the both the superpowered and emotional tools to fix himself. His suffering comes with the expectation of redemption and fixing everything.
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>>144450061
Boost Archer (above Okabe), lower Edward, add Rikka and Homura around Archer's level.
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>>144452720
Classic summerfag post
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>My suffering is greater than yours

Powerlevel wanking is one thing. This is a level of stupidity well above that.

You wonder why people don't like Uchiha Sasuke? Because he'd probably make a thread like this trying to compare suffering as if it's something that has value.
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Midtier Punpun
Lowtier Allen Walker
Midtier Zetman
Hightier Helck
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What about this guy from Gundam 00? Sure he got a happy ending, but the shit he had to go through to get there was painful. During the first season, I legit thought the anime director hated him or something.
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>>144452827
>Because he'd probably make a thread like this trying to compare suffering as if it's something that has value
Edgy teenagers on 4chan think they know suffering because they are a bunch of losers irl and can't get a gf, therefore suffering is the only think that has value to them (or so they think)
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>>144452797
> I cry everytime an anime character dies
The mark of the newfag. People don't have to give a single shit about anime character dying, especially if they don't like them.

Don't worry, you'll get it once you've watched more than 50 shows.
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>>144452096
>dad left him and his family
>mom dies
>fucked up himself and his brother
>sees some fucked up shit
>loses the one thing that makes him "special"
>fails to save people (including loli)

That's not even going into 2003

>tries to help people, they die and one gets raped because of him
>gets teleported to Nazi Germany with his dad >away from everybody he loves
>his dad still fucking leaves him
>works to see his friends again
>does, then never does again because he has to save Earth and now only has his brother

Don't get me wrong, he doesn't belong quite so close to Archer but he fucking aches.
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>>144452314

>tfw you'll never suffer so hard that you'll create mind tigers
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>>144452955
>The mark of the newfag.
The mark of the summerfag.

>People don't have to give a single shit about anime character dying
That's right, they don't have to, but they usually do when they're not autistic and are capable of feeling emotions
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>>144452928
It's hard to care about him since he hated Celestial Being despite the fact that literally everyone else in the world knew that they were innocent.
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>subaru
>not above fma
At least he only "killed" his brother once
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S tier:
Guts

A+ tier:
Touma, Homura

A tier:
Archer, Subaru, Okabe , Seita(Grave of the Fireflies)

B tier:
Sakura Matou, Alibaba, Kiritsugu, Yuki Nagato, Alphonse Elric

C tier:
Killua ,Jonathan Joestar, Edward Elric, any fate lancer

F tier:
Tomoya Okazaki, Kacchon
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>>144450061
I think we should recognize Slaine's suffering a bit more. Even if he was a massive faggot.
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>>144452968
who got raped?
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>>144453156
Perfect list
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>>144451839
waifu AND childhood friend
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>>144452995
> That's right, they don't have to, but they usually do when they're not autistic and are capable of feeling emotions

No they don't, dipshit, because people who aren't newfags can tell the difference between reality an anime and they have no emotional attachment to characters they don't know or don't like which makes their deaths irrelevant to them. No one feels bad when they find out a character in a series they've never seen dies and they have no reason to.

Only moronic newfags that still find death shocking in fictional works would consider that not feeling bad for a fictional character wrong.
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How would you measure Kurosawa´s suffering?
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>>144451895
Kek, that image finally got me thinking. It's classic stages of grief, looks like mitsubishi is freshly bargaining as of episode 16
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>>144453156
+++A on the list

but i think it also needs Kaneki on the B group
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>>144453297
>No one feels bad when they find out a character in a series they've never seen dies and they have no reason to.
I feel sorry for you, you must be legit autistic. You're also pretty obsessed with calling people newfags, a well known newfag technique to give them more credence when they expose their shit opinions
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>>144453168
Rose from the beginning arc. She was raped by a soldier or a group of soldiers and had a child as a result. She ended up becoming some sort of martyr. I honestly can't remember much from the 2003 version.
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>>144453156
Subaru shouldn't belong in A tier, but otherwise good list.
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>>144450061
Lelouch and c.c. suffered immortal life and even before they became immortals both of them had suffered a lot
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>>144450241
Small-time.
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>>144453404
>Lelouch
>immortal
He's fucking dead, anon.
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>>144450061
Came here just to make sure Guts was at the top. Good chart, OP.
He was born from a corpse, and then it was all downhill from there...
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>>144453404
>lelouch
>suffering immortal life
Anon. It's time to let go
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>>144453159
Being Slaine is suffering
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>>144450061
>Archer that low
I don't know anon
Being betrayed by your ideals, forced to live forever to protect a world you really hate and hating yourself so much for all the wrong choises you made in your life you want to kill yourself but can't seems like it should be higher then Shinji to me
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>>144453156
>Alibaba

Not anymore.
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>>144453397
>That weird thing in the 2003 series where they tried to set up Ed and Rose together
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>>144453475
It's Guys' fault for being a dumb faggot, same with Shinji. To be honest, Asuka should take their places
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>>144453156
Good shit anon
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>>144450061
>>144450241
>>144451447
>>144452518
Can we reformulate these charts? Let the Y axis be "How much this character suffers" and the X axis be "How much the character deserves to suffer"
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>Lose your legs because you wanted to SIEG ZEON
>Watch your friends get killed and lose another one of your limbs in combat
>Have your last limb removed to interface with your machine even better, barely win against your rival
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>>144453630
Fuck you faggot
Now im gonna waste my time making this
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>>144453630
>How much the character deserves to suffer
Subaru is going to break the X axis
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>>144453662
>implying he won
Zeon revisionism at its finest.
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>>144453630
That's going to end up with a lot of
>X character deserves to get it because they're a shit, A SHIT
And other bullshit like that, but feel free to do so.
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>>144453159
So How much suffering did Slaine actually deserved?
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>>144453395
Your post scream of newfaggotry, Im merely stating a fact. You still have to give any valid counterpoints to what I said, instead all you can do is cry about "autism".

Just another newfag that feels bad for being called out.
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>>144453397
What about Casca in that case? She got stripped and humiliated by demons before being raped by Griffith in front of Guts, to the point that she basically developed a trauma-induced form of dementia and miscarried a demon baby after. Though I suppose she doesn't really give a shit about anything that doesn't directly threaten her own life now, it's still pretty shit.
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>>144450061
Do you really think, that dying a lot of times and seeing your friends die are less painfull than THEY WANT ME TO GET INSIDE OF THAT GIANT ROBOT NO ONE LOVES ME?
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>>144453748
Literally none of it. He had the right ideas, but a shit amount of luck.
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>>144453757
>being raped by Griffith
I love this meme.
She was a fucking slut, she liked it.
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>>144453754
Valid counterpoints to what? That people shouldn't be allowed to feel bad when invested in a story? End yourself
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>>144453841
Ultimatly leading to him being hidden away from the world?
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>>144452827
This is new /a/ for you. Like MAL, there are now a lot of people here who are heavily drawn to "suffering", which is a period teenagers typically go through.
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Archer needs to be moved up, ed needs to be moved down.

Ed and Al fucked up on their own accord and their really only true suffering is dead/shitty parents, death/war from outside sources is their fault.

Archer is relatively tragic+infinitely fucked
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>>144453748
Much of his suffering was consequential, but no one deserved to get cucked suddenly by out-of nowhere-noble guy.
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>>144453542
Alibaba's levels of suffering don't make sense.
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>>144451201
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>>144453956
>reatard
Thanks for outing yourself, I was getting tired of arguing with a shitposter anyway
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>>144452519
That doesn't mean he didn't actually suffer, though, just that he was up and ready for suffering round 2314141512516.
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>>144453863
Learn how to read, fucking retard.
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>all the plebs in this thread saying homura, okabe, subaru etc
New /a/ really is full of newfags.
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>>144453924
How can it be consequential?
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>>144453905
The thing is, it's hard to sympathize with one's suffering when that person made so much mistakes and kinda deserve it.
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>>144451541
His loyalty was admirable regardless.

But to end up being a hobo in America despite having literally the best girls of the series after him? It's like saying no to the gates of heaven.
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>>144453962
Well Magi is in it's final arc. So I guess the author decided to stop trolling him.
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OP is a faggot

Sent from my Android phone
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>>144452928
His girlfriend had it worse.

>>144453630
I like this idea.
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>>144453956
>reatard
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>>144454075
How do people know that, because of the file name?
When I post images from my phone the file name remains the same.
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>>144453156
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>>144454055
>same situation as okabe, subaru, rika etc
>lasts 1000+ years
Anime when?
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>>144454085
They both got dealt a pretty shit hand. Saji during the first season, and Louise towards the end of the first season and onto the second. At least they had a nice happy ending and finally got together after al that bullshit. This being a Gundam series, I was sure either one or both of them was going to die.
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>>144454055
He got a good end at least. Still pretty high-level suffering though.
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>>144454059
Well, he does shit, he gets hit. Pretty straightforward. But all of it was because of his poor luck, so he can't be blamed for his suffering. He deserved some suffering, but he didn't deserve that much suffering.
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>>144453630
Then something like
Guts 10 2 I've seen bits of it but yeah
Okabe 4 3
Homura 10 3
Archer 10 2
Rika 9 2
Shinji 7 6
Subaru haven't watched it yet
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>>144453630
fuck you man, thats brilliant
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>>144450061
>Shinji
>that high

He didn't suffer a great deal compared to others on that list and most of that was self-inflicted.
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>>144454322
That's harsh anon. ;_;
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>>144454322
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>>144454322
I can't be suffering too badly, I have you guys to cheer me up!
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>>144454129
IOS renames all files to image.jpg.
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>>144453156
Subaru belongs in a higher tier than Okabe. Okabe only had to watch others die, Subaru went through death himself. Few more loops and he'll be nearing A+ tier.
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>>144454256
Well who should we blame for his suffering besides (Jack)Asshime
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>>144451909
>suffering on a meta level

lol
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>no Kenzo
fuck off with your garbage itt
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>>144454426
I'm never going to watch this anime, no matter how much you beg me, now fuck off.
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>>144454071
>So I guess the author decided to stop trolling him.

I really would like to believe this but I know better than to let my guard down now.

Alibaba has seen alot.
It bothers me how he's always still happy even though he faced worse fate than many people on that list.

I don't know but I can feel it anon.


I expect the last chapter to be the nail in the coffin for the guy.
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>>144454454
No one's telling you to do anything.
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>>144450061
Shouldn't it be ranked top to bottom to symbolize the depths of suffering?
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>>144451909
I know episode three was pretty awful but you shouldn't try to block it from your mind.
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>>144453156
SHIT list, like literally worst in the whole thread
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>>144454380
I think it's fucking hilarious that people here look down on phone posts

When Japan as a country have their phones as their main website surfing devices since forever.
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>>144454408
I blame you for making the same irrelevant posts with terrible grammar in every A/Z related thread.
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>>144454521
What does Japan have to do with a bunch of casual underage faggots posting on /a/ with their iPhones?
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>>144454276
Homura should be lower, especially if you think rebellion is canon.

Subaru should be higher than okabe and homura ~rika's range because he actually needs to die too. He also deserves it more than Rika.
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>>144454521
I heard that Japanese children and teenagers don't even use computers.
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>>144454521
This isn't /jp/
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>>144450061
Archer should be top, though. Immortal characters who will suffer for all eternity > mortal suffering.
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>>144454521
>thinks I don't look down on Nipmonkey phoneposters too
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>>144454548
It's a website based on a Japanese image board. If you can't find anything funny about how different the culture is, you're fucking hopeless.

>>144454585
Yeah. Some are totally illiterate despite their generation.
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>>144453156
>Alibaba
>Muh permavirgin

Fuck off. You really think some joke character like him suffers as much as the Elrics?
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>>144454567
>because he actually needs to die too
Doesn't Rika need to die everytime too?
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>No Shirogane
not sure where I would place him but the poor bastard has had his fair share.
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Where does Shirogane land in that chart?
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>>144454276
The X axis is supposed to be listed before the Y axis
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>>144454739
>>144454769
In the PTSD section.
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>>144451895
Yeah, it sucks that he's died a few times. But the other guys on the list have been through worse shit than death.
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>>144453630
>>144453743
>>144454085
>>144454276
>>144454335
Okay faggot give me some help here
Also feel free to and some nuber or some shit because im lazy
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>>144450241
I know this is a troll post, but Homura really belongs somewhere in between Okabe and Guts
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Phone poster here (iPad)

Kind of hard to post on a computer when windows 10 upgrade corrupts the whole OS and effectively bricks my PC
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>>144454815
>yo
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>>144451396
Nipaaa
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>>144454737
Yes, that's what I meant. The punctuation got fucked.

Both Subaru and Rika need to reset the cycle which means they must deal with the consequences of each bad end until they die/suicide. Okabe and Homura can just say "fuck it" as soon as something goes wrong.
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>>144454815
>yo
fuck me doing it later
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>>144454815
Swap Shinji with Asuka, you fucking nigger
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>>144454839
>upgrading to windows 10
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>>144454815
Archer should be lower.
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>>144451833
Good argument imo
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>>144454676
Learn what a joke character is, retard.
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>>144450241
Homura is a step behind Shinji. Guts is still on top.
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>>144454882
Oh right, I'm retarded. I see what you meant.
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>>144454914
Literally fucking why?
if anything she should be lower then him
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>>144454918
/g/ said it was better than 7, which I had, and it becomes $120 after July.
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>>144455004
Get a key for free now and wait to see what happens, you dumb faggot
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>>144455004
Surely /g/ isn't that singular of a voice that they'd all jump on the 10 bandwagon. There had to be people arguing against it.
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>>144455004
/g/ never said such thing, they hate it. The only people who like 10 are paid shills.
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>>144450061
Needs more Devilman
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>>144455036
He only suffered near the end of his HUMAN life
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>>144455004
Sounds like you got trolled. RIP your computer
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>>144454815
like this nigger
y is suffering
x is how much they fucking deserve it

Im assuming >>144453630 wanted a chart where the left would be suffers that are PURE and dont deserve it, and pull at your heart strings, and right are assholes that you gain joy from watching squirm
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>>144454025
> there's a typo so it's shitposting
The equivalent of running away. Next time try backing up your arguments or just stay in MAL.
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>>144455086
he was human all along
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>>144450061
>no Sara from Imaboku
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>>144451447
Harima had a hard life.
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>>144455104
>Sauceshit
Gaara had it way worse.
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>>144454994
She suffered a greater deal than he did, and she withstood way longer than he did without breaking.
Shinji is just a character for self-inserting faggots.
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>>144455104
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>>144455104
Homura's Y position is way too high. Sasuke's Y position is too high compared to his X position
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>>144455104
>Le suffering homura maymay
I want Madokafags to leave
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>>144453542
>thinking the ride is over
oh, you just wait what's coming to alibaba in the next chapters
>>
The problem with this is that the amount of suffering we measure really depends on how it's presented. Looking at the events in their respective franchises objectively, characters like Touma and Rika probably suffered the most. However, their suffering isn't portrayed as well as, for example, Homura and Guts, so it's easy to feel like Homura and Guts suffered more.
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>>144451396
Pretty high when you consider had to kill and she's killed by people she likes.
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>>144455138
Hey at least she didn't die as a virgin.

Fuck you now I remember how FUCKING MAD I was back when I watched it.
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>>144455104
Tell why is homura is in the top and guts it isn't
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>>144455225
I'm a madokafag and I think the suffering homura meme is retarded too
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Speaking of Rika & cie., where do you think an eternity of total isolation rank?
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>>144455104
>>144455205
Make all the images the same size
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>>144455138
This.
>Repeatedly beaten and raped by soldiers.
>suicide attempt by trying to drown herself in the only source of water for the country set in a dying planet
>Trying to abort her child from rape by smashing a rock in her stomach
>resign herself to stay in the alternate universe world to raise her child when the world is going to burn as the sun explodes anyway.
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>>144455004
>Not using Windows Server 2012 as your desktop

How to spot a pleb.
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>>144453156
Gotta add Zaku Burger Man and Al somewhere.
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>>144455180
>>144455219
>>144455225
>>144455205
>>144453630

how many points do we assign suffering and deserving of suffering?

how many points should rape, being an orphan, being forced to kill loved ones, dying, watching friends die, loosing body parts be worth?

how do we decide how much they deserve it?
how many people they betrayed? how irrelevant they are? how much the author hates them? how many innocents theyve killed?

Yotsuba, Chris and Marida are all war orphans, but marida and chris were raped, marida was also brainwashed and artificially cloned and then died painfully in war, how much distance should be between the 3 in suffering?
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>Any Fate character more suffering than Avenger
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>>144450061
What about Kuma?
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What's wrong with Windows 10?
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>No Kaneki
Do you even suffering?
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>>144455378
>how many points should rape, being an orphan, being forced to kill loved ones, dying, watching friends die, loosing body parts be worth?
This is a bad idea because the same thing can be worse in one situation and lighter in the other. How exactly everything happens in a characters life and in what order is important too. Levels of suffering can't be objectively determined. You can easily say Guts suffers more than Yuki from Mirai Nikki, but there are many characters where the difference is harder to determine.
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>>144455104
how is yotsuba suffering that much? she is a 5 at max
>>
Spike
Vash
Kenshin
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>>144455479
Constant data-mining and other legally dubious surveillance.
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>>144450061
So, lower means more suffering? If so, quite accurate.
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>>144455498
She is suffering for not getting an anime.
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>>14445549>literary who
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>>144455494
fuck off edgemaster
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>>144455479
>>>/g/
She's a yandere stalker-chan or something.
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>>144455259
multiple timelines
Assuming Guts and Homura are both orphans
Assuming they were both abused
assuming they both witnessed death of comrades
and assuming homura had to do it all over and over again

guts has the berserker armor and bodily handicaps
but now homura basically made madoka a retarded casca to keep with her at all times
she's like guts and griffith combined
>tldr; timelines
>>144455498
gave extra points because muh orphan
>>144455496
we need to quantify it somehow
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>>144455572
Homura's suffering is self inflicted.
Fuck her.
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>>144455555
Those gets are wasted on you
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He never got to be the very best.
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>>144455104
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>>144450061
Everyone involved in infinite time travel shenanigans should be at the top.
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>>144455643
His suffering is proportional to how much of a scrub he is. He gets exactly what he deserves.
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>>144455572
>we need to quantify it somehow
You can't. It's stupid to even think you can.

That's why this thread is such shit.
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>>144455704
You can, it's just arbitrary
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>>144455681
Kill yourself.
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>>144451833
He did reach a point of nearly pushing his friend in front of a bus, and strongly considers raping Suzuha.
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>>144455681
I have the feeling you don't like Subaru
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>>144455681
Other than shinji I agree.
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>>144455555
Excuse me
Are we talkin about
>le who is more edgy XD XD
or about suffering?
Fuck off with you edgy meme
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>>144455682
They belong at the bottom, really. They have an overwhelming advantage over basically any difficulty they encounter and can take time off of their problems whenever they feel like it.
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>>144455785
Actually, Subaru's my favourite MC in a long time. The fact that he brings so much shit on himself and fucks up so catastrophically all the time is what makes him good.
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>>144453156
I agree with this
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>>144455681
While Subary deserves to be the farthest right, his suffering should really be like 60/70 max
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>>144453662
That's what he gets for supporting a retarded ideology that has failed repeatedly and done more damage to it's own supporters than it's opposition.
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>get constantly bullied about having a girl's name
>mom get's vaporized in front of him
>get brightslapped multiple times
>newtype lovers all get killed
>mentor betrays him
>gets mindfucked at the end and becomes a spacenoid vegetable
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>>144455871
That isn't how it works with Archer
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>>144450061
Bring Ed and Okabe down since they both get a happy ending. Add Spike Spiegel to the list.
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Vash needs to be in this list.
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>>144453156
How is Jonathan on the same level as Ed when Jonathan gets killed by Dio when Ed gets a happy end?
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>>144450061
Archer's suffering is eternal, or at least until the planet dies so I think he deserves to be well at the top.

The brief respite he experienced at the end of UBW is nice and all but he wont remember it.
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>>144455643
Does it matter?
Ash is a forever 12 year old jobber.
Nigga wins all the gyms, many times after a rematch and generally just fucks around with a bunch of girls and lolis and that one guy that comes with.
Come crunch time at the league, the fucker never wins and then he just switches regions and does it all over again.
Any "suffering" is all self inflicted. Fucking Gary grew the fuck up and became a pokemon professor; discovering new shit by day and banging a different chick by night, and what has Ash achieved? Fucking nothing.
I swear to god, I'll be six feet under and that faggot will still be a twelve year old jobber who's gone through friends like a fat guy goes through hors d'oeuvres.
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>>144455941
A lot of that is his own fault though. He tried to steal a gundam and kill a guy for making fun of his name.
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>>144454811
Have fun on the bandwagon, I bet you didn't even watch episode 2
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>>144454322
I wouldn't say I suffer more than Guts, but close enough
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>>144456122
much can be said of Homura.
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Subaru has reset in the anime how many times? Around 10? How is that even comparable to the other time travellers?
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>>144456010
Trunks had a hard life.
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>>144450241
>>144450061
Delete Subaru and Shinji and we get a decent chart. They're just whiny faggots after all.
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>>144455967
I wouldn't know. I'm just going by Okabe and Homura
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>>144455283
I think they've begun to enjoy suffering. As long as they're together they don't care about themselves really. Bernkastel at least understands that for every thousand bad ends anyone gets there's a good end somewhere, equaling out the good and bad possibilities. So it's kind of strange to put them on a grid. It's like, how much can a God suffer watching others suffer, knowing all possibilities are equally valid?
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Borderline /a/ because of the shitty OVA, but goddamn does he suffer in Part 2.
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>>144451839
Maybe he ment 2003 edward

But he got delcious brown so even then hes coming out ahead
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>>144455004
you'll be getting a new PC by 2022 anyways
>>
Did no one mention Kaiji?
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>>144453748

Everything after trying to execute Eggs.
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>>144455004
>listening to paid shills on /g/
>>
Guts will also suffer in all eternity because he got sacrificed and goes to like, soul limbo hell or whatever where he just lives in eternal pain after he dies :(
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>>144456309
It's harder to sympathize with someone who fucks themselves up because they're a gambling addict retard
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>>144456159
>The little girl cried when she lost her marbles in the desert.
>She searched the desert for one hundred years.

>The little girl cried when she thought she might've lost them in the sea rather than the desert.
>She searched the depths of the sea for one hundred years.

>The little girl cried when she thought she might've lost them in the mountains than the sea.
>How long will it take till she begins to doubt whether or not she actually lost them to begin with?
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>>144452519
Put any of those characters on Touma's shoes and they'd be broken many times over. Just because he's crazy and literally cooks and eats suffering for breakfast doesn't mean he didn't suffer through all those worlds.
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>>144456159
>in the anime
yes, but he's still in smalltime territory compared to what is coming to him later, if anyone thinks he is at the top of the suffering chart based only on the current in anime then they are in for a surprise. I think the author himself must hate Subaru for what he has done to him.
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>>144451480
He lost brother's body and his arm
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>>144456506
Dio is fucking lightweight.
Stopped reading.
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>>144456506
Fuck me in the big ass if subaru has suffered as much as Guts
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>>144456159
Isn't he gonna repeat arc 3 more then 100 times?
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>>144456506
Why does Homura deserve to suffer?
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>>144456506
>A spoiled faggot like Dio anywhere near that chart, let alone the top
Wew lad
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>>144456506
You baka, Dio causes suffering, he's not the one doing the suffering.
>>
Guts might have suffered a lot, but the readers of Berserk suffered even more while he was on the boat.
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>>144456559
>>144456610
>>144456619

hasnt he lived and been killed by members of the same family for generations?
lost his body, had to use his brothers body, always loosing
can't move around in light

>>144456594
because rebellion
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>>144456506
>Subaru at the same level as Guts

Fuck off
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>>144456506
>Char that high
>Chris that low
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>>144456594
People still salty that she saved Madoka by denying her wish.
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>>144456628
this desu
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>>144456639
>hasnt he lived and been killed by members of the same family for generations?
>lost his body, had to use his brothers body, always loosing
Yes. All because he was a giant fucking asshole who deserved it.
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>>144450061
Where does this man fall?
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>>144456488
>I think the author himself must hate Subaru for what he has done to him.
Didn't the author admit he's a sadomasochist or something? He fucking wrote a what if chapter for Subaru and Rem just to rub it in, there can't be any other reason to it than him deriving some sick pleasure from all the suffering
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>>144456667
hence the chat
y axis is suffering
x is how much they deserved it
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>>144456673
see >>144456506
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>>144455643
actually he's going to win this league
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>>144456639
It was only two generations. And it's hardly suffering if he's enjoying it the entire time. He pretty much loves the Joestars. And he got to fuck around in Egypt for a couple years training his stand and killing prostitutes or whatever.
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>>144456693
Wow, it's almost like you should label the axes.
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>>144456506
What do the x and you axis mean?
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>>144456506
Why is Archer so low?
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>>144456752
FUCK
>>144456759
Y: SUFFERING
X: HOW MUCH THEY DESERVE IT
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>>144456759
>not reading the thread
>>
None of these characters are real, on the other hand I am
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>>144455494
>m-muh suffering
>m-muh poor boi
Nice meme.
MC definitely loved it. He had been sucking and riding <his killer's> cock on daily basis for a while.
>>144455555
Trips and Quints of Truth
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>>144450061
This thread is too long for me to lurk through, but I just wanted to say that, no matter how shitty of a character Subaru is, he is still suffering more than all the listed characters in those pictures. You may not think so now, but when his reset points get even wackier and inconvinient (after seeing his loved ones get fucked hard and not reversing it), you will change your mind.

Yeah Guts had his lover get raped in front of him and saw his friends killed, so what. He's a hardened soldier/warrior (berseker at that). Subaru sees his friends die, get tortured, skinned, erased from other's memory, etc. Some of those things unreversable.
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>>144456506
>All those time-loopers suffering 1000+ (minimum) years of suffering is somehow less than Guts who only suffered a few decade's worth of suffering.

All this Gut's suffering wanking is getting out of hand
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>>144455066
/g/ doesn´t hate it half of it uses it because of muh gaymes and AMD
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>>144456787
If it's from her, go ahead
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>>144456811
Reality is true suffering.
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>>144456766
2 timelines max, muh ideals and not too much bodily harm, no real loved ones to protect or watch die, no fate of the world on shoulders etc.
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>>144450061

where is your photo OP? You would be god-tier level
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>>144456860
One and only, fictional characters are the only ones who find solace because they're ideals of hope
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>>144456844
constant bodily harm, watched his unborn child die try to kill him and then be reborn as the man he wants to kill
orphan
always despised
raped as a child
watched wife get raped
only person he wants to protect hates him and doesnt want to be near him
best friend is enemy
hacked off own arm to stop wife rape, has to protect world, self and beloved with only broken body
time travel adds mental wounds and fatigue but only subaru really experienced bodily harm in them
Dio who lost his body and still fights for 100s of years without a reset is worse off
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>>144456975
>Nox
Bitch, I would sympathize with him if it all wasn't his own fault &/or insane
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>>144455104
>>144455205
>>144455681
>>144456506
>>144456639
>>144456975
Homura didn't deserve it at all.
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>>144456886
Read the VN.
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>>144450061

True suffering, I think, is not a physical state, but mental. It comes with a fall from happiness. After a certain point - Griffith becoming God hand, say - Guts wasn't suffering anymore
What to us looked like pain and misery was basically ordinary life for him. Even during the Eclipse, it was just another step up from ordinary misery. No different, perhaps, than any other betrayal. He'd already been blacked and backstabbed - what difference was this? At that point, furthermore, he wasn't even suffering that much, because he never lost his faith in himself or his own confidence. His values were never challenged. His core self was not exposed to serious harm. He did not come to doubt his own way of dealing with others and their misery.

IMO he was already too far gone and hard-hearted.

Same goes for Edward. He was in pain a lot. But did he suffer? No, because he was always self-assured.

By contrast, Okabe really did because the events he caused directly led to the destruction of all he loved. His essential self-concept was called into doubt - one key element of suffering. He was also trapped in a moral minefield that he was not equipped to navigate. Even his way out - indifference - was impossible to him, because it was itself against his core ideals and basic understanding of the world.

When one finds oneself in a position of misery with no escape and nobody else to blame, that's true suffering. People like Guts with a purity of purpose and an unimpeachable strength of conviction, IMO, don't suffer in the same way or as much.
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>>144455643
Turns out the sixth try's the charm.
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>>144457061
Kill yourself back to tumblr.
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>>144456975
>twenty minutes
Put him a little to the right for being a dumbass. And lower because he just lost a shitty family, and lost them once at that.
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>>144456844
If any of those time faggots need 1000+ years to fix their problems then they're retarded. The fact that they can undo most/all of their problems makes them much less meaningful.
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>>144457064
but I refuse

>>144457061
did you watch rebellion?
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>>144457039
And? If I start listing out all the shit all those time-loopers went through for all of their loops, that shit would be incredibly lame. I mean, fuck, the girl from Higurashi suffered more from a single loop than Guts ever could, and that's just one loop out of many. Yet, she's somehow lower than Guts.
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>>144457120
Surface level you might think that but Rika's situation killed her with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY~
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>>144457120
Right, I'm sure Touma could have simply stop Othinus from reality warping the entire world just to make him suffer so he would commit suicide by yelling really angry at her and swing a big sword around.
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>>144455937
The feds are controlling shitheads - even if they're idiots themselves it doesn't mean many of their grievances aren't real.
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>>144457120
That's exactly why they need time powers, because they are fucking retards.
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>>144450061
You want to add Subaru. Right, re:tard? Killyourself.
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>>144456886
>2 timelines max
He is basically a mercenary for the world, so he can be summoned into any universe at anytime, he constantly is and will for all eternity, to kill people who are causing too much trouble.

>muh ideals and not too much bodily harm
He turned into a nigger

>no real loved ones to protect or watch die
According to him, he himself had to kill the people most close to him.

>no fate of the world on shoulders etc.
Depends what situation he is summoned into. At least according to the anime he was had to deal with nukes before.
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>>144456643
>>144456561
>timelines
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>>144457307
>The feds are controlling shitheads
Horribly incompetent ones with no real power. I'm sure you Zeek sympathizing pieces of trash can pull some revisionist nonsense out of your ass to justify gassing and dropping your own colonies though.
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>>144457070
I almost agree but the Eclipse fucked up Guts for sure, it wasn't just another step up
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>>144456647
>char
>fallen noble
>becomes orphan
>works his way up loosing everything important to him in the process, including his body and soul
>chris
>orphan
>was raped and tortured
gee, hard choice
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>>144451201
>Kirito
Yeah... no.
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Ichise should be first. Literally the only moment when he smiles is when he's dying
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>>144457420
I'm not gonna try to justify that shit - it wasn't justifiable. But the feds can go fuck themselves too.
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>people falling for the subaru meme
he's a shitty person/character and everyone calls him out for it
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>>144457346
It would be suffering if he wasn't such a retard and made an eternal pledge for a single stupid and ultimately useless wish. Nevermind the fact that he regained his lost ideals from fighting his past self. And from what I know of the lore, isn't it just a copy of him that's being sent out and not really him?
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>>144457481
Muh evil federation mostly living in shithole hovels on earth.
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>>144457421
>>144457070
>>144456844

>just eclipse
>not mutant baby
>being hunted every night by monsters that pop out of nowhere
>cant even travel with people or live in human settlements because you are a monster magnet fighting the evil forces sent to kill you by your child and best friend in order to protect your now retarded wife that doesnt let you touch her while the desire to kill eats away at your brain
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>>144457457
That's not suffering. He was a robo-man until he learned emotions. It's fucking depressing for us as viewers to see this parody of humanity finally reach emotions, but he never gave a shit himself until the end when he was happy.
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>>144457515
Who leech off the space colonies like they're entitled to what other people do. Commie fucks.
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Why is Subaru so low? Don't mean to be some fanboy or flavor of the monther, but as of the latest episode he seems to be pretty insane.
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>>144457489
He's a shitty person but not a shitty character.
That's why we enjoy watching him.
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>>144457552
Oh no, he's being hunted by creatures. That's so horrible. It's not like every single shounen hero goes through the same thing. Boo-fucking-hoo.
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>>144457594
>>144457600
see >>144456506
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>>144457600
>That's why we enjoy watching him
>we

Don't lump me in with you faggots who watch that shit series.
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>>144457633
EVERY
SINGLE
NIGHT
no super powers
no healing
NO RESETS
NO REST
until the fairy shows up
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>>144456506
label your axes you barbarian
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>>144457185
>Rika suffering more than Guts in one loop

God no, the worst that happened to her was a painful death that lasted a few minutes. Same with most of the time loopers.
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>>144457633
He's hunted to the point where he's lucky to even get an hour of sleep without getting his dreams invaded by incubi.
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>Ctrl+f yomi
>0
Come on guys
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>>144457506
The wish he made i exchange for becoming a CG was just for power, which he could use to save people. I wouldn't call that a useless wish. He didn't go into being a CG knowing what it exactly was, he had to make a quick decision. He thought he would just continue to save people after death rather than just kill. And I'm pretty sure the copy thing only applies when summoned as a Servant.
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>>144457703
Did I ever say you are included in that we?
How bad is your reading comprehension actually?
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>>144457594
He was just pretending.
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>>144457592
>>144457515
If you're getting fired up and nationalist about the space side did this or the earth side did that then you're just repeating history.
The Earth is beautiful, but it's time we as the human race leave it behind. Char was wrong about a lot of things, but he wasn't wrong in wanting to help the entire race to a new era, and not just a portion of the population.
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>>144457717
>>144457735
Do you want me to start posting all the recent stuff from Berserk and show you how much SUFFERING he has now? Because all of this 'HE'S ALWAYS SUFFERING' is getting way out of hand now.
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>>144457743
Didn't he make a wish to save some people that ultimately being the people that ended up executing him?
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>>144457807
It's mellowed out to the point where he's just in constant pain from having his armor piercing his bones and chipping away at his sanity.
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>>144457807
he was almost eaten by a fucking sea monster a few chapters (years) ago
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Why not punpun?
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>>144457796
Earth = Africa
Space = first world
Feds = migrants
Space colonies = Europe
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>>144453156
>Jonathan Joestar
Polnareff or Johnny would be a better fit.
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Azami regenerates from mental damage, so pain never becomes dull. Does that count for anything?
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>>144451447
u forgot about one guy
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>>144457837
He did get framed by people he had saved but no wishes were involved there.He only ever made one wish.
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>>144457436
yeah, i'd be suffering too if I was in a shit anime
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>>144454454
read the manga then
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>>144458079
Taken from the wiki, but it does cite sources.

>He had to make a life changing decision. Confronted by a calamity which had the potential of killing one hundred people before him, he decided to "make a contract" with the World to become a hero capable of producing miracles and become a Heroic Spirit after his death.[7] He believed he could save both the lives of the dying people before him and save even more as a hero after his death. Although he desperately fought to end a war, he was in turn branded as the mastermind behind that war and subsequently executed because of the betrayal of his allies. Although he died of betrayal, he did not hate mankind. However, the "World" ironically gave him the duty as a Heroic Spirit "to slaughter all humans at a particular location when mankind is at the threshold of complete self destruction", a "Counter Guardian".[2]

Seems like he did made the wish there.
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>>144457807
>gets a break for a few weeks after years of suffering
fuck off
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>>144458257
Anon, the point I was making is that Guts wasn't always 100% suffering every day like some of the people were saying here. Ever since he's gotten his own D&D party, he had been able to get some peace and quiet from time to time.
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>>144458253
Although it's never gone into detail about why he was framed. It could be direct result of the power he gained, or maybe whoever did it just didn't like him.
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>>144458419
It really doesn't matter since I had said him suffering as a Counter Guardian was his own damn fault. He made the stupid pledge to save 100 people and many more without first learning what becoming a CG really means.
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>>144458644
He probably didn't have the time to research what a CG was before making the deal.
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>>144458644
Its not like he had any idea of what the planet would fucking do to him you retard.
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>>144458644
Yeh, im sure he could have gone and asked his local Counter-Guardian advice centre for some help and a pep talk.
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>>144456975
why is yotsuba on these charts
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>>144458933
Because of all the abuse here on /a/
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>>144455239
Rika never killed anyone,Except herself
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>>144458933
Yotsuba is always fighting.
Also don't forget YASUDAAAA
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>>144458933
context
she is war orphan like many of the other characters in the chart, but she doesn't continue to suffer nor did she deserve any of her suffering

Im done with this shit now
>>144453156
>>144450061 (OP)
>>144450241
>>144451396
>>144453630
>>144455681
>>144455205
>>144455104 (You)
>>144455295
>>144456506
someone figure out how to accurately quantify suffering if you want me to change anything
characters who went through similar things are on the same y axis, how they deal with it changes the x axis
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>>144458703
>>144458752
>>144458785
The point is, after all the shit he went through with the HGW and his own mistaught magework, he really should have known to not blindly make eternal pledges, especially for only a mere 100 people. I mean, it's brave and heroic, but it still a dumbass move and he does not get any sort of sympathy from me for his suffering as a CG.
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>>144456298
2003 Edward was a pretty cool guy. Their personalities are complete opposites at the end of the series.
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>>144459050
But at a 25? You're telling me she has had over 1/4 the suffering of Guts?
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>>144456975

you forgot Kaiji and Oberstein from logh
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>>144459024
>>144455239
https://youtu.be/BP-XJHZEv4E?t=1m48s
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>>144459100
>mere 100 people
Edgy.
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>>144459099
Shouldn't Griffith be lower on the actual suffering?
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>>144459099

add Kaiji, also Oberstein from logh
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>>144459099
Great chart.
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What about Angra Mainyu? He's randomly selected to shoulder all of mankind's evil, tortured and mutilated throughout his entire life by the people he loved, and cursed to live countless years as a log that can do nothing but hate the world.
And when he finally comes back as a servant he's the weakest of them all.
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>>144459099
I would say remove all the time-loopers since it's going to be unfairly judged (for better or worse) no matter what.
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>>144459024
Rika always kills the one I love.
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>>144459194
>he forgot about the torture rape and being slapped by rickert
I imagine griffith is pretty fucking broken
he was broken before eclipse and before guts as well
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>>144459185
Yes. 100 people, each with possibly 50+ years lifespan left versus 1 person for an eternity. It is an extremely dumbass decision.
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>>144454739
Isn't kurogane trapped in unlimited while his alternative iteration isn't?
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>>144459331
You got me on the torture part. I was focusing on post eclipse
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>>144459223
Yeah he'd be up there.
God I just remembered, he's part of the time-loop crew as well. Except the loop is like a vacation for him.
And then the eternal bro chooses to go back to suffering.
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>>144459024
I always liked that about Rika. Even on the verge of insanity, she would rather kill herself than have to kill any of her friends, despite how crazy they may be acting at the time.
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>>144459407
even post eclipse that suffering is real
being slapped by fucking rickert? I would kill myself
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>>144457061
Pfff, deluded Homufag.
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>>144459099
Subaru only suffered 48 timeloops
he needs to be lower
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What about SK's Hao?
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>>144459461
I haven't read that far yet. Guts and Zodd just teamed up to kill the Kushan Kings lightning face.
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>>144459387
His alternative iteration is like a combination of all others right? He still has memories from his previous loops.
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>we're making suffering charts now
Please, we all saw how the powerlevel charts turned out. We need to end this before it begins.
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>>144459549
>>144459218
watched these shows 10+ years ago, dont remember the suffering of those characers
>>144459576
NEVER
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>>144457289
not to mention in one iteration he spend his life in a coma and have to watch himself get buried alive, get eaten by maggots and then have his body thrown into space then crushed by a meteor.

Then spended 10,000+ resets just to convince othinus
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>>144459576
Someone needs to post the most recent Lancer suffering chart.
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>>144459612
Hao gets to read people's minds, so through his various lifes he kind of became a bad feelings sponge, and turned edgy. Not that much, really
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>>144452332
That also means that watching him suffer is neither interesting nor entertaining. When you remove the emotional aspect to the suffering, you make the suffering itself meaningless. This is especially important in Subaru's case, because he is neither likeable enough for the suffering to make you feel bad, nor is he hateable in a way that makes his suffering vindicating. As things are, I'd much rather if he just ceased to exist and the show focused on the other characters.
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Place him
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>>144459736
Literally me.
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>>144453156
Ye
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>>144459569
yeah but it doesn't mean that the other ones totally escaped into the alternative route.
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>>144458644
>>144459100
>100
Could have sworn Extra says its 10,000.
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>>144454242
Wedding illustration never.
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>>144459814
Dunno, but like I said, I've got it from the wiki, and it had its sources cited. If you can find another source that says otherwise, I'll accept it. Not that it changes my opinion much since: infinite years of suffering > some arbitrary number of years. Heroic, but ultimately still a dumbass decision.
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>>144459612

added

Do you agree anons?
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>>144459736
He suffers essentially no suffering. His situation is pretty much entirely his own fault.
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>>144459654
>he spend his life in a coma and have to watch himself get buried alive, get eaten by maggots and then have his body thrown into space then crushed by a meteor.
thats sound bullshit
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>>144459099
>80% deserved it
I'm glad you at least got that part right. In hindsight it's amazing she gets defended by so many sentimental retards when she was the one who fucked her way to the bottom in the first place. For fuck's sake she fucked her own father willingly and actually enjoyed it for who knows how long before her mom found out, and people call her a bitch for beating her ass and kicking her out? Fuck that, the mom was the only real victim in that doujin.
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>>144459914
the chart has room for that
in relation to tomoko where would he be placed?
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>>144459914
wat

half of those characters on the chart are suffering becuae of thier fault
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>>144459956
Forgot my picture but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out to whom I am referring.
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>>144453630
Fuck that's brillant
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>>144459912
Move Shinji left a bit. I'd hardly say he deserves it.

Otherwise, good list.
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>>144459792
Takeru loops are weird, he doesn't seem to keep much of his memories on the unlimited timelines, and then he only keeps the general idea when he gets to alternative. He doesn't even seem to remember the time after the bombing at all.
Though it's not like the alternative route was a happy place either, Takeru suffers through and through until he goes back to his timeline
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>>144459912
Good enough but Dio still doesn't make sense that high.
>>144456747
He enjoys fighting. He had a decent extended vampire life. I don't know about the Heaven obtained videogame Dio though (he's probably happier)
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>>144459953
He was tortured by a literal God at the time.
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>>144459903
>Archer tells you about his greatest triumph, saving 10,000 people from a nuclear reactor meltdown
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/FateExtra
I also played his route like 3 weeks ago and am almost 100% positive 10,000 people is the correct number.
>a dumbass decision
You clearly have no idea who you're talking about. Shirou routinely risks his own life for ONE other person. It's literally not even a question that he'd do it for 10,000 people
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what about humanity's only true friend, prometheus-kun?
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>>144459903
Did you forget the part where he didn't know being a CG=suffering?
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>>144460043
Is everyone seriously against dio being that high?
using guts as my stick I'd say dio is worse off

if you all want him down he can go down
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>>144459985
Probably a bit to the left. I don't really know much about Tomoko so I can't say for sure.

>>144459989
What I mean by that is there's not many bad things actually happening to him. The guy is just trapped in his own he