Muv Luv & Spin-Offs Thread

>It's a WHY IS HE BEING FED FOOD BY THAT YOUNG CHILD AND WHY AM I SO IRRATIONALLY JEALOUS NANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII???????????? chapter

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Watching Kasumi's reactions change as he has rude thoughts about her.

>>144430391
That was one of the best parts.

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>>144430311

Ribbons for the Ribbon dress!

>>144431417
Not the most retardedly stupid use of ribbonspam I've ever seen, but it comes pretty close.

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>>144431417
Lise is best costume model.

>>144431501
I'm genuinely curious where you've seen more ribbonspam than that because I'm at a loss.

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>>144431648
This game and everyone in it.

>>144431695

I bought that for like 10 and it's dull as shit

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>>144430311
I'm playing through Extra right now, just got to this scene, is this the whole lacrosse arc people used to tell me I was going to hate?seems pretty chill so far, how many arcs does Sumika route have? Planning on playing every route, even though you guys don't recommend some.

>>144431754
I'd be swift in getting Meiya pregnant

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>>144431754
It's all personal prefrence really. Of course people who get into it because "I want just want mecha action fuck this" will hate the lacrosse. But the routes in general are pretty short. I think Sumika/Meiya is just a tiny little branch off of the end of the common route.
Onsen arc is really fun. Tamase's route is really cute. Kei has a lot of family drama that becomes important in Alternative. To this day I've never played Chizubitch's route.

Groping Irisdina's crotch.

>>144430613
Playing again, maybe it's just me, but Takeru really is a jerk. I don't remember it being this bad.

>>144431888
She hurts the popular girl when playing lacrosse
She gets bullied for hurting the popular girl
She stops going to school
Popular girl tells everyone to stop being such dicks
They do
She still doesn't come back to school
Takeru convinces her to come back to school with a "You wouldn't want to end out a worthless drunk like your mother"
Everyone at school tries to blame her absence on Takeru being a bad influence
That gets resolved in the same scene it was introduced
Then sex happens

There, now you don't need to play that route, none of the side characters unique to it are even recurring so that's even less reason to bother.

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>>144431754
Been rereading Extra myself with Steam version and just got past lacrosse. I enjoyed it a lot. I've missed reading this vn so much and trilogy as a whole. Its been several years already since I last time read this.

>>144431888
I started playing because of the mecha and all, but I don't mind playing through all the routes in extra before. Chizuru is kind of getting on my nerves though, might skip her route.

>>144432039
Almost forgot that Chizuru cements her worst girl status by pleasing old men for money.

>>144432039
Was Chizuru actually a slut? DId her mom use her in slutting?I hate her design and she's the designated enemy of my waifu so I didn't bother understanding her.

>>144432125

Wait really? Lol. That would actually make her more interesting though.

>>144432039

So the rest of the school are so Akane Maniax?

Tarisa is for bullying

Why Meiya is so perfect?

>>144432363

Tarisa is for cranking out half-wop babies.

>>144432223
It's been so long since I read her route but from what I remember it never went that far, I'll try an actually serious summary. In her route she hit rock bottom, as far as she know she just crippled her friend and the reputation she was building as a sort of mask just fell apart. Since she overreacted and thought she failed at her entire life so far might as well do an extreme 180 and follow her mothers path. like how obsessive tend to swing between extremes rather than take a moderate approach. Anyway she starts skipping school, drinking heavily, and if I remember correctly goes days without going home so she probably slept on the streets. Takeru finds her in a redlight district being given money by an old man outside a love hotel, barges in there, gets the old man to leave by threatening to call the cops because she's underage, then drags her around to all the people who could give her a pep talk. The whole blaming him for it is he was skipping school to find her and they were photographed together outside the love hotel , he would take the fall so she could stay the schools academic golden girl, but she insisted that everything was her fault and the principle decides not to press the issue, then sex happens in the middle of the classroom and she gets suspended for delinquency.

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>>144432428
Quite right.

>>144430311
>>>/tv/
>>>/vg/

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>>144432406
it's a mystery

Fuck off purple skanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l0YG5ld7hs

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>>144432550
Can't wait to get her daki.

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>>144432363
But petting after. How much do you think she likes getting headrubbed by VG?

Wait, how old is Tarisa anyways?

>>144432428
>>144432496
Yes.

Angry Monica when?

Why is purple so disgusting?

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>>144432869

I want to handcuff Natalie to a bed with a cast iron frame and then fuck her for the entire months of September and October 2001, then move back down to Seattle and continue seventh grade and convince my parents to let me keep her in my room if she does chores around the house.

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>tfw you were on the ride since the begining and you can't really realize it

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>>144433161
>mfw she agrees

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>>144430311
Posting best girls!

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>>144433161
Natalie is for pumping and dumping!

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>tfw no Yugoslavia front VN

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>>144434206
Posting!


>>144434970
Sufferinig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

Beat Katia everyday

>>144431986
what's rude about that? i think you read it wrong.

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>you will never wake up next to this
Why even live?

>>144435912
>not cumming inside her while she's asleep

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

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>>144435912
>>144435922
>not wanting to fuck teen Iris instead
teen Irisdina > adult Irisdina.

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>>144435912
He might, depending on the route. But it's gonna hurt like a bitch, what he'll have to sacrifice for that.

>>144436272
Why? Theo doesn't deserve any empathy.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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>>144436353
Why would you say something so horrible?

>>144437304
Because he is an edgelord who goes around killing waifus

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>>144435912
>no soft aryan goddess to warm up with every morning

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>>144437338
It's understandable why he is an edgelord.

And that's life in ML, waifus die. You can't escape that fact. What we can do is celebrate our waifus, and how their existence changed those around them, and changed us.

>>144438530
I want to bully Pham by never getting friendly with her and calling her Lieutenant Lan instead of onee-san.

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>>144434206
For old times sake.

>>144439355
Now this is bullying.

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>>144438530
This guy gets it. Save in the name of tru-luv. But you can't save everybody all at once.

>>144438530
less celebrating and more saving. You are weak. Just giving up on your waifu thats wrong!

>>144439459
I want to bully Lise by replacing her ribbons with an elaborate treasure map leading to a remote location in Berlin when they are actually under her pillow.

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTx6ZogBbY

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>>144439888
>her face when she realizes she's been had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk

>>144439927
I don't really want to bully Gretel since she's boring.

And she'd probably shoot me so I'd need to invest in AR500 or something.

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>>144440340
Reminder that she is a honorary LStR-40 and eats Stasi divisions for breakfast

>>144440487
>honorary LStR-40
That doesn't really mean anything.

>>144440487
Considering how incompetent the ML Stasi is, that's not much of an achievement.

>>144440570
They where doing a good job along with the NVA to hold down the Oder line. Until the moderates fucked up everything

>>144440724
I think he means in the anime where the Werewolves were turned into canon fodder stormtroopers.

>>144440724
>Katia did not even get interrogated
>traitors flourished
>rebels had the chance to rebel
That's a bad record.
>Let the KGB controll them
Its even worse in the anime.

Their military arm had a good showing, the rest of it was Gestapo in Commie insignia.

>>144440851
* forgot this for the anime >>144440833

name 1(ONE) better feeling in the entire VN, than Takeru finally getting into the simulator and crushing all the girls expectations of him failing miserably.

Is it okay now to talk about original muv luv here? I finished Steam version yesterday for the first time

>>144440978
yes

>>144440978
It's always okay to talk about anything in the series

>>144440978
It was always ok. Hell after almost 4 months of SM wanking its most welcome.

>>144440964
>name 1(ONE) better feeling in the entire VN
Seeing the girls with erect nipples in the training suits.

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>>144441045
but that never happened, they were just visible

>>144440964
The last section of Ayamine's route in Extra

>>144440964
Takeru diving into the BETA horde at Sado to the tune of Storm Vanguard.

>>144440998
>>144441009
>>144441043
sorry i just wanted to know because when i was asking about it here like month ago i was told to fuck off since it wasnt about that schwarzesmarken or how is it spelled. i did notice that it doesnt have muv luv mentioned in its name, so maybe i got into wrong thread or something

>>144441154
that comes second, the Simulator training had several hours of build up, and was the metaphorical "monkey off the back", culminating in the perfect phrase from Chizuru to something to the tune of "we'll now we finally see with Kouzuki-sensei called you special"

it was just such a feel good moment for the reader, and Takeru

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>>144440833
You can thank watanabe for that
>>144440851
Even the LN barely touched those initial issues with Katia (because muh saint)

Besides, unless they want to do a bloodbath worst than the 1953 uprising, or something that ended like the 1989 Romanian Revolution they need to be more subtle

>Let the KGB control them
>Its even worse in the anime

That was historically correct
>Although Mielke's Stasi was superficially granted independence in 1957, until 1990 the KGB continued to maintain liaison officers in all eight main Stasi directorates, each with his own office inside the Stasi's Berlin compound, and in each of the fifteen Stasi district headquarters around East Germany.Collaboration was so close that the KGB invited the Stasi to establish operational bases in Moscow and Leningrad to monitor visiting East German tourists and Mielke referred to the Stasi officers as "Chekists of the Soviet Union". In 1978, Mielke formally granted KGB officers in East Germany the same rights and powers that they enjoyed in the Soviet Union.

>>144441210
you should link the thread. sounds like you posted something dumb and that's why you got told to fuck off.

if anything SM is what some vocal people want to be not discussed

>>144441210
Maybe you posted around a bad time? The trilogy was always welcome as far as I remember.

>>144441248
My bad, but the KGB actually putting one of their agents in charge, and one with such a low rank, to top it off, is a bit out there, isn't it?

>>144432466
Holy shit, no wonder it's called Chizuru's Wild Ride

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>>144441210
There was some retard in these threads few months ago telling people to leave, if they posted girls from anything else than SM. Maybe it was that. Just ignore those

>>144441314
Yes but the Stasi and East Germany been so loyal to the USSR makes it unnecessary

>>144441314
Well, since the East Germany was the closest thing to frontline duty, you could imagine the center deciding that an officer has enough skills to do good there. And if the officer was great, it didn't really matter for either side, since pros are always welcomed.

And rank was easily gained there, if you could back it up.

Most of ML's KGB practices don't make sense though, nor are they correct.

How would Jurgen react if he sees you princess carrying Iris and kissing her forehead?

>>144441496
Highfive you since he's doing the same to Beato.

So is it true that Marimo end in Extra steam version just continues into Sumika route now? Anyone done that yet?

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>>144441457
>Putin on SM never
;_;

From 1985 to 1990 he was on Dresde working for the KGB

>>144441457
>Most of ML's KGB practices don't make sense though, nor are they correct.
ML gets most Intelligence agencies wrong. Its quite good that it hasn't focused much on the CIA, despite it being used as a scapegoat for many things.

>>144441496
If he has set his eyes on Beato >>144441517, if not, I hope you are good at CQC.

>>144441531
Is Sandek a good Vova expy?

>>144441531
He's also known there as the officer that stopped the mob, drunk after the berlin wall's fall and already wrecked three other buildings, from messing up the state owned building he was in.

By reminding the people that he, and other officers have a duty as active officers and they cannot allow them to tresspass.

>>144441603
>Is Sandek a good Vova expy?
Yes he is
>>144441642
based Putin

>>144441531
KGB putin has awful hair, no wonder he shaved it all off

>>144441603
>Sandek
Nah, Putin seems much more humane, so to say.

Sandek would probably make a good high ranking KGB officer, because that position might require being both ruthless and merciless, while making sure your projects are progressing.

>>144441528
Please, let it not be true.

I know how it was for censorship, but it was hilarious.

>>144441528
>>144441899
Was there even H scene for Marimo end in Extra?

>>144442054
Didn't you play it? Extra Marimo is THE Nympho. Though it would make sense to cut the only Extra route that is pure H for the steam release.

>>144442054
Oh, yes.

Her ending (gotten by avoiding the girls and spending time with Marimo, which usually involves seeing her bullied by Yuuko) happens at the hot springs, with Takeru learning why she is nicknamed the Mad Dog. Takeru helps drunk Marimo to her room, who then proceeds to force him into wild sex until she finally collapses from exhaustion, leaving a moderately traumatized Takeru to think about what happened, feel sorry for her because she's a sweet girl but this is probably why she can't keep men (because she's a frenzied drunk), and wonder if he'll have to change schools.

Then Marimo wakes up and whispers into his ear "Round Two."

BAD END

マブラヴで学ぶ英会話とか、音声英語版出ないかな|皿・)

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>you will never be beaten up and raped by marimo

Why even live?

>>144442220
>BAD END
>implying

>>144442154
>>144442220
Need to check this. Sounds hilarious. I never remember seeing art of that h scene though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DdJifdnVs

>>144442220
>end
And then she says' Takeru, I'm pregnant and you are the father'?

>>144442525
Nicht "Auferstanden aus Ruinen". Gretel is a shitty Zampolit.

>>144442542
That's the only thing that would have made that end hotter.

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9月30日（金）のPCゲーム『シュヴァルツェスマーケン 殉教者たち』の発売に先駆けてコミックマーケット90で特別版がリリースされます！

The next big Schwarzesmarken announcement is going to happen at Comiket 90 (August 14th). It will most likely be a trailer/opening release.

Source: http://www.age-soft.co.jp/2016/07/19/%E3%80%8C%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AA-%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%B3%E3%80%8D%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5%E7%89%88%E3%81%B8%E3%81%AE/

>>144442605
I don't think that Auferstanden aus Ruinen was aproppiate for that situation
But here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afOqrmfYQl0

>>144442691
>No Yukarin
Ehh, more "muh hope". Lets see what age delivers.

Should I get the Steam version (have enough Steam credit from the last sale) or pirate the original

>>144440964
For me it was the scene at the end of the whole chomp despair arc. When Shirogane finally stops running away, and with Yuuko's help and pep talk finally makes it back to Alternative. The song playing as it happens as cheesy at is might be puts it at the top for me.

>>144442842
support it so we maybe get other stuff translated.

>>144442896

but isn't the steam version censored or are there patches for that

>>144442923
there will be an official uncensor patch in the future.

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VIVI
I
V
I

>>144442988
a best

>>144442842
Its up to you man, but I got the original via torrent and enjoyed it so much that I never thought twice about purchasing a legit copy when it made it stateside. Both translations are are done well so it's not really an issue.

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>>144442883
>Hironobu
>Cheesy

I will fight you m8, Tsubasa is easily one of the best insert songs I have ever heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJigmBa1e5c

>>144442993
till she was eaten alive

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>>144442988

V I V I
I V I V
V I V I
I V I V

>>144443001
>>144442955
>>144442896

Hmm I suppose the Steam version it is then. I was just wondeirng with how they censored the H-scenes that I might miss out on something. I mean, I played F/SN uncensored but I felt the H-scenes did nothing so I would've played Realta Nua and understood the main story easily okay maybe feel aloof at dolphins and blood sucking in HF

>>144443061
>I was just wondering with how they censored the H-scenes that I might miss out on something. I mean,
the H scenes were always just tacked on for the sake of calling it an eroge, they never added anything

Kouki at his core just wanted to tell a story

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>>144431695
Those aren't ribbons. Those are little animals feeding off your blood at night, disguised as ribbons. They congregate around the most unsuspecting victims. That's why there's so unnaturally many of them.

>>144443061
You wont be missing much, really. It is nice that we get them back later with a patch though, so you can go back to them later.

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Iris's model has lipstick. How do you Irisfags feel about that?

>>144443053
Thanks, Katia?

>>144443053
thanks Katia

>>144443176
>so you can go back to them later.

>replaying videogames
Almost never worth it.

>>144443199
Like someone is trying too hard to imitate Beatrix and failing.

>>144443215
>not rereading Extra after done with the trilogy

>>144443032

Carry On>Muv luv(Main theme)>Asu e no Houko>Tsubasa

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>>144443199
I'm 'standing' at 100% achtung.
>>144443240
I'll fight you.

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>>144443240
Iris can make lipstick work pretty well when she applies herself.

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>>144443215
>replaying videogames
>almost never worth it.

5/10, made me reply.

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wat

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>>144443397
>>144443409
Why is Iris so huggable?

Things to tell Beatrix.
>"I think braids would look good on you."
>"Have you ever considered dyeing your hair blonde? I think it would be cute."
>"are you a protestant by any chance?"

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>>144444367
She's not as huggable as her rival.

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>>144445027
But the Beato that needs a hug the most would kill you if you tried to.

Would you let Katia sleep in your bed or should she go back to her doghouse?

>>144445027
Why does Beatrix look like such a bitch?

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>>144445649
>letting her in the house

>>144445733
She's a good girl, just pouty.
>>144445735
I want to fall asleep on Irisdina's pillows.

>>144445733
Self-defense mechanism

>>144445027

Because she's not looking at Jurgen, she's scanning the area for potential threats and distractions and rivals.

>>144445834
I want to convince Jurgen that it'd be fun to pinch her and Irisdina's cheeks.

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This is triggering me, something about the scale just seems incredibly off

>>144445970
tama is like 2ft tall

>>144445954
>Ooow. That hurt Jurgen! Why did you do that? I though you loved me.

>>144446033
I guess that's right, she probably is <5ft

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You're in Katia's position on pic related.
Wat do?

>>144446379
Use my cockroach powers to permanently transform into Jurgen or Theo and Manifest Destiny.

>>144446497
I want to bully her by taking her glasses while she sleeps, leaving a scratch that is very very subtle when she just looks at the glasses, but becomes annoying when she wears them and it gives her a headache.

>>144446573
That's not going to work, you get used to the scratches

t.glassesfag

>>144446630
Huh, they were always annoying to me. I guess my eyes are just sensitive

I want to disarm Gretel, overpower her, tie her up and make her my headpat slave

>>144447391
l-lewd

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>>144445027
Why does Beatrix have the best eyes?

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>>144447584
Because everyone knows that red/tsurime eyes are the best.

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>In a paper uploaded to the open access journal Physical Review X, the team said they used the variational quantum eigensolver approach as it represents a quantum equivalent of a neural network.

I want to marry Iris and adopt Lise.
Maybe fix her relationship with Beato too.

>get Marimo sex scene in steam version
>route just continues as normal afterwards and he goes on to fall in love with Sumika

Wait what the fugg

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So I kinda tried to calculate how in a T-80B gunners sight, the height of some BETA classes would look like and this is what I came up with.

>>144448129
Nothing new since tanks exchange shots at several kilometers' range if terrain allows it.

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Does anyone have the large version of this picture? Can't find it

>>144448384
A Katiafag had one, but he wouldn't upload a good scan of it because

>lulz, not Katia

>>144448739
what a dick.

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why is Kai Shiden such a cunt?

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>>144448836
Welcome to Katiafags.

>>144448846
who

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>>144448949
>>144447839
I'd adopt a Lise. Hell I'd adopt two.

>still discussing Schwarzesmarken

/m/ has moved on, why haven't you?

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>>144448846
How the hell did I not notice that cameo when I read Unlimited the first time? I'm sure I saw 0079 before reading it.

>>144445027
Yeah, Jurgen's prettt huggable.

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>>144449057
is this nigga serious?

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>>144449395
Because NVAposting

>>144449395
Dude, /m/ never moves on.

>>144449395
If by "moved on" you mean screaming at anything that isn't gacha or trilogy related.

>>144449113
I want to fill up Lise's colon with semen.

>>144442691
Thx anon.

Sonata

>>144450319
Yurusu ga yoi

>>144448846
Kamille's a girl's name and I'm a girl!

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>>144450319
>>144450346

Rereading Extra/UL after all these years now with Steam version hurts. Kinda even wish it was because I would think its shit or something. But no, just confirms what emotional retard I am.

>>144451528
What do you mean?

>>144445027
Would Beatrix be a werewolf in bed, or is it that she's a werewolf out of bed, but timid in the sack

>>144445507
WAKE UP BEATO!

>>144447786
Depends on the character type really.

>>144452676
I thought, that most agreed that the second applies.

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>>144452778
Why would you do that?

>>144452336
Just being overly emotional towards my first ever visual novel I read back then, 5 years ago or something. Especially about its characters.

>>144452921
Her eyes look so much prettier when she opens them up like >>144445027

so wait, Undersecretary tamase wasn't responsible for the HSST incident?

>>144453096
I don't think he's the sort of person who'd drop a spaceship on himself and his daughter

Wasn't it the anti-Alternative IV people?

>>144452880
>>144452676

Definitely the latter. She's basically Lise's opposite in almost every way.

>people ruining my Beato femdom fantasies

Fuck you too

>>144453096
Tamase is a good man, he wouldn't try and kill his daughter.

Although now you mention it, it does bear an analogue to how he arranged an "important" archery match just so she would get over her stage fright... Perhaps there was a backup to save Yokohama even if she failed.

>>144453336
>>people ruining my Beato femdom fantasies

She has zero experience , with some practice and time, I'm sure sure she'll fulfill them just fine, but as it is someone has to train her and "break her in".

So how has Muv-Luv done sales wise in Steam?

>>144448739
More like
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IN MY SCANNER

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>>144453336
Beato is probably very submissive in the bed her flirtiness and seductiveness is just an act. And she is probably still a virgin so she would be like a deer in headlights.

>>144453188
>>144453336
it's odd, from the text he makes it seem like he caused the HSST to test Yokohama,
but then later in a conversation with Yuuko talks about outside powers being at play.

they contradict themselves, so perhaps he was aware of anti-alternative group acting that very day, and chose not to intervene. This would be beneficial for it was never the UNs actions that destroyed Yokohama

>>144453488
scan the parts of it post it and we will stitch it together.

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fucking shit I just about had a heart attack at this CG, and then I remembered I was still in Unlimited.

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>>144453544
It's better that way, bullies at day, bullied at night.

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>>144453274
>Wild Werewolf sex with Lise
Sign me the fuck up.

Living the dream.

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My heart can't take this anymore

>>144453891
Sumika was a mistake.

Finishing up Unlimited knowing that MLA is still many months far into the future will be a pain. I want to continue replaying the whole thing.

>>144453573
Pretty sure it was your last statement, he knew but chose not to intervene because of how unstable the situation was.

Weren't the same people who dropped the HSST the people who instigated the coup in Alternative because the HSST plan was stopped in its tracks and failed to deliver a strong enough message.

>when I first played it four years ago, I felt like Meiya was a pompous imtruder ruining Sumika's romance
>Now as I reread Extra and Unlimited I eagerly await every single line Meiya speaks, smile at the sound of her voice, adore her sprites, delight in picking her choices every time, pure adoration

What has overcome me? Is this only because I have know read alternative? Is it how I've matured over those years? I feel very different as a person.

MEEEEEIIIIYYYYAAAAAAAAAA fucking hell Steamternative is going to destroy me this time around in new ways.

I really hope the uncensor patch comes out quicker for that one so I can CHOMP pronto.

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>>144454887
You have fallen for the best girl like I did years ago.

>>144453602
Will it even get a good scan if it isn't touching the glass plate?

>>144453544
Ah, but that doesn't stop her from adopting a very dominant attitude pending the situation, right?

Her imagination already knows how things work in that direction.

>>144455054
HOW DO YOU COPE

WHY IS HER DESIGN SO SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS

HOW DOES YUUHI COMPARE

>>144455074
the trick is literally scanning pieces and then stitching the image together with software

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>>144455186
Yuuhi is really nice girl too, but she just can't give me those same feelings like Meiya does.

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Cryska, Inia and Yui are my waifus. Also my Yui in the yellow swimsuit came in. Yui really is too cute.

>>144455774
I don't know how to feel about Yuuhi, I feel like she's far too blatant attempt to siphon away my love for Meiya. When I like her I feel like I'm betraying Meiya, and when I don't I feel like she's a waste of space. I don't even know how to describe what makes her unique. There's no winning!

I do like her an awful lot though, she has a ton of great scenes in AF. Like that one in the ski lodge. Oh lordy, that booty.

>Meiya and Yuuhi -fags
>When Sumika exists

At least you guys aren't as bad as Chizuru and Ayamine -fags. And leagues ahead of SM -fags and DeadSlav enablers.

Are there even any Mikotofags? Tama is alright.

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>>144455877
>He didn't even have the common decency to post photos of it
You polygamyfags truly are the worst.

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>>144455877
>multiple waifus

>>144455885
How do Chizurufags function? I wouldn't want her as a friend, let alone a lover. Her Extra route is diabolical.

I almost forgot Mikoto existed but I'm actually really liking her scenes in steamternative. Takeru really treats her disgustingly and she doesn't bat an eyelid.

I still think they should have made her design a tad girlier though.

>tfw the unlimited OP spoils Girl Mikoto
>tfw the steam version replaces muv luv with some shitty new insert song

Speaking of Mikoto, it's generally accepted that Extra Mikoto is secretly a girl, right?

Now, given Tsukoyomi's behaviour at the cooking contest... do you think Mana is a stupid shotacon or a perceptive age gap /u/ lady?

>>144455955
People love shitgirls in every series. This is /a/, you don't even need examples of this.

Chizuru isn't so bad, though. She's a pain in the ass, and ultimately she's really simple minded, but deep down she's soft. Takeru acts like a huge fucking faggot throughout the entire game, and Chizuru does chew him out at every turn. However, as soon as Takeru backs down and lowers his head, she's immediately avert her gaze as say "I-It's fine, so long as you understand.....".

>>144456016
Pretty sure Mikoto is gender-confused in Extra. She's obviously a woman, just look at her behavior on the onsen arc. However, she thought nothing of going into the bath with Takeru. She knew she had to hide her chest, but it didn't bother her enough that she'd want to avoid the scenario altogether.

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Need more men of taste in here.

>>144456211
>People love shitgirls in every series. This is /a/, you don't even need examples of this.
This pretty much. Just look at all the love that the sociopath is getting in this thread.

>>144456312
>Ka$hiwagi

[Insert Fort-class joke here]

Her spin-off game was alright.

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>>144456312
I heard someone was posting best girl.

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>>144456351

>people discussing trilogy once again

did i loop back to good old times? can we please keep doing this until alternative gets released in steam too?

>>144456351
The sociopath is alright. Like everyone else in Muv Luv, she's a victim of the circumstances of her time and location.

The only villains in Muv Luv are Faggiri and Axmann.

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>>144456364
You know it

>>144456353
>her spin off game

Altered Fable?

>>144456450
How is Fagiri a true villain and not a victim of circumstance like the sociopath? Is it because he isn't a cute girl?

He's a fucking evil freak in Extra tho

>>144456462
Haruko Maniax. Half of it is just MGS references, but it was surprisingly enjoyable. The cute little siblings were the best.

>>144456494
Besides not being a ccute girl, Faggiri is nothing but a tool. He's being played by the Americans to start a revolution, for the American's sake. He''s being used and he knows it. He doesn't care about the circumstances or humanity's victory, all he cares about is his illusion of MAH NIPPON.

>>144456494
>How can he be evil in BETAverse?
>He's evil in the real world though
I like how you can have those two thoughts and not clue in.

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>>144456412

GOING GOING HIKARI E

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>>144448384

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>>144456588

So essentially Fagiri is the complete opposite of Beatrix in terms of motivations.

>>144456599
Well in Alt he's just a well meaning nationalist used as a convenient tool by American agitators, the coup would have happened with or without him

In Extra he dated a middle school girl as an adult (?????) and would leave his wife for high schooler pussy (???)

That's not being manipulated in dire circumstances as a tool, that's being a fucking creep

Ayamine and Chizuru have the strangest routes

>>144456494
You have to ask yourself, would this person be doing evil if it was not necessary? Does the person see evil as regrettable, but necessary (Yuuko) or do evil because they enjoy the power that comes from ruling or hurting others (Sandek, Beatrix and Axmann).

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>>144453891
shhhhh, no tears

>>144456768
Precisely. Every villain-y character in Muv Luv that isn't actually Evil is someone who acts against the interests of the protagonist, but only because he/she has their own plans, their own motivations, and access to information and connections that lead him to pursue a different plan for defeating the BETA and attaining humanity's victory. Yuuko is the same.

Faggiri is just a self-centered terrorist who can't see more than just what's happening around himself. He's someone the world is better off without.

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>>144456768
Because she's the hero Germany deserves, but not the one it needed right then. So they hunted her. Because she can take it. Because she's not our hero. She's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Red Werewolf.

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>>144453488
Your scanner must be tiny.

>>144456940
That just makes him a retard, not evil.

>>144456973
>skype
>chrome
>MAC
I'll excuse all that shit if you scan that qt.

>>144456828
>the coup would have happened with or without him

Nah the coup always happens with him, it just happened way earlier because of Takeru's involvement. Why do you think he fights for frogs in TDA?

>>144457034
Because TDA is dumb shit?

>>144457022
Its not his picture. Thats from MFC user

>>144443061
Instead of H-scenes, you get alternate romantic scenes exclusive to the all-ages version. Those scenes fit better than the obligatory porn for a sick market that won't buy the game unless it features a detailed chronicle of how the girls get their hymen torn by MC's dick.

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>>144456940
>Precisely. Every villain-y character in Muv Luv that isn't actually Evil is someone who acts against the interests of the protagonist, but only because he/she has their own plans, their own motivations, and access to information and connections that lead him to pursue a different plan for defeating the BETA and attaining humanity's victory

No, ML villains tend to be sadistic and selfish, occasionally to the point where they prioritize their own power over humanity's good. At their core, they usually enjoy killing other people and show a shocking lack of empathy, even towards their own followers.

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>>144455877
>multiple waifus

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Look at this cutie!

All that's missing is a halo crowning her cute little head.

Who is best boy and why is it MOTHERFUCKING TAKAHASHI

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>>144456973
Yes
It's rather tiny

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>>144457271
Theo is one of my favorites! Him and Katia make a great looking couple.

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>>144457327
What this man said

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>>144457271
I have to agree with the others on Theodor.

He also develops into a capable leader, and despite all the horror around him, managed to stay idealistic and strong. He's one of the few heroes in ML who managed to protect his girl's smile, which makes him as badass as fucking Takeru in the MLverse.

The way he took out Lise and Beatrix was extremely badass too, and shows that he's a top tier pilot along with being intelligent and cunning. There was no hesitation or angst either in killing other people, unlike many ML characters, showing that he had the resolve and guts to do what he had to do.

>>144457678
What a joke

>>144457678
>The others
Kek

Nice reddit tier copypaste too.

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>>144457678
>He also develops into a capable leader, and despite all the horror around him, managed to stay idealistic and strong
Is that so

>>144457678
nice MAL pasta

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>>144457678
Theo's a good person. I hope he finds happiness with best girl.

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>>144457871
Actually, yes. Who was leading the 666th in their final battle? Was it Walter or Annete? No, it was Theodor.

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Katia looks so soft.

>>144457964
Only because everyone in the command line was killed

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And she has those perfect proportions despite not even being fully grown yet.

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>katiafag is back

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>>144458008
However, Theo was picked over Walter, someone who both outranked him and had more experience, to lead the 666th in their final battle. Clearly, something extraordinary blossomed in Theo during the revolution, enough to make the other NVA respect and follow him. It was also under him where they were finally able to defeat Beatrix and her stasi henchmen.

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>>144458122
How is that a problem?

>katiafag

There's more then one of us, you know. There was a time where there were more Katiafags on here then anyone else (except possibly the Gretelfags) you know.

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>>144453891
Despair is an interesting emotion.

>>144456588
I wouldn't say he KNOWS he's a tool, but yes all he does care about is his illusory dream.

>>144456855
>or do evil because they enjoy the power that comes from ruling or hurting others
>Beatrix
>Sandek
>imfuckingplying

God it hurts to read the same shitposters time after time.

>>144456768
Well it is interesting in a way. Saigiri hates Americans with an unbridled passion and hates democracy, and yet is on the "good" side. While Beatrix loves Americans and what they stand for, and hates the enemies of freedom, and yet is on the "bad" side.

Schwarzesmarken needs to come out in English already. I want to know what's so good about those communist cuties.

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>>144457964
So that means he was "idealistic" and "strong"? Butterbars are a diamond dozen.

It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him though, that's for sure.

>>144458181
Maybe because Walther was rushed out of the hospital because they need every TSF pilot available and Theo was in better condition

Yes I'm falling for this fag bait
fuck my life

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>>144458302
The best cutie is from the West though and fights for freedom.

>>144458359
I watched the show, I know she's not from the West. I just can't put up with this adaptation because it feels like they tried to adapt something the size of the main trilogy, except they skipped MLE+MLU+All the flashbacks, so I was supposed to know everything about those characters but I didn't.

>>144458302
Compared to original girls they are far inferior. People just need new characters to jerk off here.

>>144458446
>so I was supposed to know everything about those characters but I didn't.
Well the target audience would have had ample opportunity to read about those characters since the source material had finished serializing for half a year.

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>>144458359
Katja mit uns!

>>144458286
>There's more then one of us, you know. There was a time where there were more Katiafags on here then anyone else (except possibly the Gretelfags) you know.
why do you think they left desu

>>144458286
We don't like your kind

>more Grtelfags than Katiafags
now you are just been retarded

>>144458504
As a filthy gaijin and an EoP, I am already used to not being the target audience. Regardless, it felt like the execution alienated too many people. People who like Muv Luv would've watched/bought anyway, it's the people who have no knowledge of the series the ones they should be wooing in with anime adaptations.

Speaking of target audiences, what are the chances we'll get official localizations for TE and SM? Or even the TDAs? Considering Muv Luv made a shitload of money on Kickstarter, it's safe to believe they'll at least consider it?

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>>144458309
Theo wasn't there to have a discussion, he was there to finish the fight.

>>144458290
Sandek may have been working towards the greater good, but he did do some pretty evil shit for his own amusement when he could get away with it. He's a horrible person, but at least he's contributing towards humankind's victory.

Well, Beatrix seems like a less successful, nastier Sandek. She's either so completely edgy that she always ends up taking the ruthless option that hurts a lot of people, or completely nuts.

>>144458341
And yet Theo was made captain by the end and leading his very own squadron. You have to admit that there was something special about him in the end. He probably didn't realize or have the courage to see that he was effective leadership material, but once he did, there was no stopping him.

>>144458599
>now you are just been retarded
If you're going to insult my intelligence, at least do it with proper grammar.

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I think it's funny how you people are so triggered by this innocent cute girl.

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>>144458681
>And yet Theo was made captain by the end and leading his very own squadron

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>>144458681
>he was there to finish the fight.
And if the truth becomes undeniable, you create your own.

Someone has to pay for the rebel's crimes, Katiafag. Who's it gonna be?

>>144458764
Because she didn't save anyone and doomed Europe

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>>144458565
Because the atmosphere became so toxic to Katiaposters. If I can create a space for them, I'm sure they'll return!

>>144458764
>triggered
>>144458834
>toxic
Super original donut steel buzzwords, anon.

>>144458666
Yes the anime was a botch job, not enough episodes and an incompetent director. Said target audience had plenty of complaints about character butchery too, for example heres VN Lise reacting to anime Lise

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28354340

But they didn't really care much about the anime to begin with,
SM is getting a demo on Steam eventually and we'll see about a full translation after that.

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>>144458822
We don't know how it'll play out. I'd wait for Schwarzesmarken 84 before you start casting accusations.

If you ask me, it's those stasi that are responsible for damning Europe by creating the conditions that allowed the rebellion to explode. It was one stasi faction attacking the other that kicked off the whole rebellion anyways.

>>144458793
>Someone has to pay for the rebel's crimes, Katiafag.

What crimes? They certainly weren't anywhere near as heinous as anything commited by the old governement.

>>144458769
It was in the LN spoilers that have been out forever.

>>144458998
>We don't know how it'll play out.
Bake the Enemies isn't an accusation.

>>144458666
>Regardless, it felt like the execution alienated too many people.
It just alienated the Lise and Beatrix fags. Everyone else enjoyed it.

>>144458983

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28159347

>>144454221
The coup happened because you forcibly relocated people off the Volcano

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>>144458302
They're wonderful characters.

>>144458485
>implying

>>144458681
>IMFUCKINGPLYING
Besides as usual, you get Beatrix completely wrong in your blind, frothing rage, you also got Sandek wrong. Granted, while his real motivations are only expounded on later, he gives hints of them even in the anime.

He didn't kill for his own amusement, primarily because killing is a distraction for him anyways. He still has a functioning moral compass, it's just his goal comes first. So he didn't have the Zhar hit initially, it was one of the superiors in military command who decided on that. He was against the whole "try to steal the railgun" plan in the first place. It's just that when the commanders/politburo member's plan went catastrophically wrong, it was Sandek who salvaged it as best he could, while reminding said commander how much he fucked up. He will always take the pragmatic option, and the path of least bloodshed, so long as it doesn't stand in the way of his goal.

And that's before getting into that he likes Yuuya, quite a bit. And after finding out he's the Catalyst for the Sisters, becomes fanatically so.

He doesn't even really care for power. His goal being essentially to recreate his sacrificed sister, whom he loved more than any other. All the esper girls are based off of her DNA.

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>>144458998
That's how Europe looks in 1984
nice work moderates

>They certainly weren't anywhere near as heinous as anything commited by the old governement
>mass execution of POW's
>not that bad

>>144459146
Annete is such a cute bonehead.

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>>144459246
>mass execution of POW's

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>>144458998
>What crimes?
Exactly. History is written by the victor.

War crimes are only for the losers.

>>144459296
>ignoring Suzy's antics and that the executed all the werewolves, even the ones who where at the Oder line

ok

>>144459296
>Ignoring the LN
You can't use it to point out Theo being promoted to captain here >>144458998 then deny and ignore the parts you don't like. The rebels tortured and killed their prisoners in the LN and after Beatrix's death when the remaining Werewolves surrendered after their morale was broken Theo gunned them down.

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>>144459246
>>144459393

>>144459339
They make sure to show plenty of stasi warcrimes. Hell, there's almost always some sort of crime against humanity going on in every scene Beatrix pops up in.

>>144459459
Suzy didn't get the memo

>>144459504
>Anime original scenes
I'm impressed, you're doing a good job at creating your own truth.

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how do I make the call /a/?
do I wait, possibly till 2017, for Alternative, or re-read the release I have right now?

>>144459507
>>144459228
Why does Sandek name the espers things like rat and treat them abusively?

Why does Sandek contact Latrova to gloat over her and the Zhar battalion's impending death?

Why does Sandek shoot Yui just because?

Why does Sandek try to set Cryska up to kill Yuuya despite knowing about their relationship?

>>144459697
Because he outsmarted everyone and escaped in the Kuznetsov

>>144458834
You're just digging the hole deeper for yourself with your half baked arguments and ceaseless baiting.

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>>144459943
>ceaseless baiting.
Disagreeing isn't baiting anon.

>>144458834
Katiafags were the first to make things toxic for other waifus. And they all left because they were a bunch of anime only seasonals.

>>144460110
You're not disagreeing, you're creating an illusion based on carefully selected parts of the material while ignoring everything you either don't like or doesn't support your argument. And every time you're proven wrong you stop replying only to show up again in a day or two and do the same thing all over again.

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>>144460110
Disagreeing usually entails a arguable viewpoint. Katiafags' arguments rely on the anime since that's the only thing that wholeheartedly supports their waifu.

The problem with that is the anime is a black and white adaptation of source material which is unquestionably shades of gray. Katiafags are playing checkers while everyone is invested in chess.

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>>144460248
We'll see who's right soon.

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>>144459697
>Why does Sandek name the espers things like rat and treat them abusively?
Basically, if you think about him as a perfectionist mad scientist, things start to make more sense. He has simultaneously caring for his "sisters", trying to make them the most powerful and capable people around, and yet they're all DIFFERENT from his sister, which kind of goes against the person he loved dearly, so he keeps pulling his hair out, starting over, again and again and again, mad that he can't get every single detail right.

Also, a lot of the abuse to the espers is by his seniors in command, or other Soviet commanders, as this isn't his independent project. Hell when he realized Cryska and Inia loved Yuuya, and Yuuya was the key to unlocking them, he started plotting to kill Yui, so that him and Cryska could be together.

>Why does Sandek contact Latrova to gloat over her and the Zhar battalion's impending death?
Again, he had to help clean up a mess, to prevent the whole Soviet Line from falling. His failed senior already hatched the plan to kill Zhar, but fucked that up too. If they got back and told what happened, Zhar would cause a huge domestic crisis, and imperil the war possibly. Sandek is a cleaner too, so regardless how he feels, he cleaned up his mess. And his gloating to Latrova was mostly actually sincere, helpful advice (i.e. do not even for a second hesitate, try your best to kill them), if the second part was obviously a little malicious (taunting her about her husband), though technically he is right - Latrova loved her husband dearly.

>Why does Sandek shoot Yui just because?
Answered above. Basically, he wants Yuuya as a son-in-law.

>Why does Sandek try to set Cryska up to kill Yuuya despite knowing about their relationship?
Again, messes and orders not of his desire that he's called on to clean up. Plus she was slipping the bonds of control. But part of me feels he knows it wouldn't work anyways.

>>144459450
>after Beatrix's death when the remaining Werewolves surrendered after their morale was broken Theo gunned them down

I for the life of me can't remember this happening
What I remember reading was:
Theo kills Beatrix
Annette promptly calls him on the radio with bad news
Theo arrives at Pariser Platz and sees Iris
Flys away with her
She dies
Heim calls him back to do a laserjagd
Cue time skip and info dump

Do you know what page it was?