Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1608

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>last /djt/ post was almost 2 hours ago
That's kind of scary.

I decided to come back to these threads after a few months, is /djt/ finally dying?

>>144421328
i hope so weve been trying

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so if I was typing this word out how do I do the "dot" part? ive never seen this "radical" in any other word...

>>144421328

Sort of. We've had fewer beginners coming in recently and they really are the lifeblood of the thread. I think there were a lot of NYRfriends at the start of the year, I remember a bunch of people talking about their journey through Core2k a few months ago but they've mostly slowly died down. As more people increase in proficiency the less they need to lean on DJT for occasional help, and the more time they spend just reading on their own.

To all my intermediate homodachis: one way to help this is to come to DJT not just to ask questions, but to share what you're reading and how and why you like it! Sharing is caring!

>>144421487
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>>144421487
nakaten -> なかてん -> 中点 -> ・

>>144421537
holy fuck I didn't know this

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>>144421388

>>144421556
>holy fuck I didn't know this
Come to djt -> learn new things
I didn't know your method either

>>144421556
>>144421655
>not testing what your keys type out when in jap mode

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Today I read a whole chapter of Nanatsuiro Drops from start to finish! It took about five hours. The final character count was around 34k. If we estimate 4 Japanese characters as equaling one English word, that gives me an estimated English WPM of around 30, so around 1/8th of my standard English reading speed. This is my first non-Hanahira VN but I can already tell I'm improving in comprehension and speed greatly. I fell for the "read more" meme and it's working, I recommend that anon tries it too!

Now onto chapter 6.

>>144422041
御目出当

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>>144421765
」「・￥＝－
..。。..、。；’/*---

>>144422041
dear diary, im a gay weeaboo

Man, fuck 関西弁

>>144422157
どうしたんや

>>144422227
It's basically another language. The only good thing to come from it is なんでやねん

Production Challenge:

Explain to the leader of your after school club why his/her idea for a bunkasai booth is terrible.

>>144422630
これはダメ
やり直す
Production is hard.

>>144422630
学校でソープランドやるのはまずいでしょ

>>144422630

おい、このやろう！　あの文化祭はすごいクソ考えだ！　この俺様はも帰るぞ。。。

>>144422630
別にいいじゃん

なぜ却下されてしまうのか

>>144422834
use imperative
>>144423047
don't need やるの
>>144423145
草
>>144423151
謎

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>>144421498
本当には興味がある人は少ないから
普通に誰も私と話さないよ
さびしい

なんて
確かに私を返事する人が少ないだがあまり気にしちゃいない
この無意味なコメントまだ続けるつもりがある
たとえ誰も読んでいない

私にとって練習だから

>>144422630
申し訳ありません、部長様
すごくいいアイデアたと思いますけれど、この学校の庶民には相応しくありません
ですので服を着ってください

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>>144423686
>部長様

>>144423686
>たと思います
what did he mean by this

>瞬く
>またたく
>しばたく
>まばたく
>めばたく
>めたたく
>しばたたく
Why?

>>144423752
たぶん間違ていた「た」は「だ」と思うよ

>>144423752
ごめん、スマホを使ってるから、まだ慣れてないよ

>>144423817
>◯
>▽
>▽
>
>▽
>▽

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>>144423609
>本当には興味がある人は少ないから
死ぬしか何も欲しくない

Why does the guide link default to suggesting view?

>>144424271
えと、お前も？
ニートとして（引退したって方がいいよ）それは普通な感じだと思う
けどね、もしお前が死ねば誰かがさびしくになる、たぶん
だから頑張ってね、もう一日を生きろ、このクソ世界で

マジで死ぬなよ。最近私は死ぬとか考えているので冗談しないでよ

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Does anyone else get instantly overwhelmed even when they see a small wall of text?

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Anyone else watching this?
Why does the girl pronounce stuff in such a queer way? Is that some regional thing, or is she just a mong?
It hurts my ears every time she says oTO-san.

>>144425013
Yes.

Look at sentences, not paragraphs. Suddenly gets easy.

>>144425013
i do even in english you mong

>>144425013
I usually skim because of the time it takes

in game tutorials it's either something I could've figured out by myself in five seconds or a key central mechanic that's never reminded or explained to you again

I just pray the latter is in colored or bolded text

>>144425013
i didnt read the text in balder sky i just did a sick combo

>>144421328
> is /djt/ finally dying?
Maybe people have just graduated. I check in sometimes, but I don't really need the thread anymore.

>>144425392
As long as radical freedom guy keeps making epic memes once every week or two I'm happy.

>>144425501
ecks dee

>>144425013
No, cause that's like 4 sentences.

i was watching the latest episode of la blue girl and i have to say you cum so much harder when you understand japanese

鰐蟹

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>1 anime left to watch from last season
Any of these any good? Need more listening practice material

my mnemonic for 打撲傷: if you're on "da boku show" then you will have a lot of bruises from your wife because you're a pussywhipped cuck

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>>144426874
あおくなるのが打撲傷

きれるのは裂傷

おしいのが残念賞

Anyone know where a good place to buy a physical copy of Genki is in Canada?

>>144427471
Pirate it and print it out

>>144426825
The only decent anime from last season was flying witch.

あなた達はどうで会話を練習するか

練習したいけど俺のいる町に誰かが日本語を分からない

>>144427907
お前を含めて

>>144423686
ｗｗｗ

>>144423817
でも、意味は大抵同じだろう？

>>144425009
>>144424271
そうだ、そうだ！がんばれ！

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I just finished the JCAT. I think it took me around 2 hours, The first hour was just the listening and it was completely depressing.

On the one hand, the score is satisfying, but on the other hand I felt completely lost during the entire test. I did not truly understand even a single listening question, most of the grammar and vocab questions were guessing, and most of the reading was filled with words I had never seen before. I feel like I know nothing.

>>144427961
That's why I want to practice!! I can't get good if I have nobody to practice with

Holy Hell, where do I even start? This isn't the place to try and learn from scratch (at least I don't think it is) but I sure as shit don't know where it would be. Anyone want to help a poor single language anon out?

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>>144428326
Qtaroにしないといけないよ

ねたてきに

>>144428126
たしかにそうかもしれない。
ですが僕は尋ねたけったのはどっちが正しいということ。
>>144424097の話なら「またたく」は正しいでもそれならばなぜそんなに膨大な読み方数があるわけ，
普通ならあんな数がないだろう調子狂うまったく。

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>>144427961
>>144428419
とにかく、間違いは何ですか？教えてください！

>>144428561
>Find the Genki textbook
>Download the Anki app

This isn't a good place to start in the sense that nobody here is going to teach you from zero. It's more of a place to polish and correct, as well as ask questions.

In a sense, it's good that you're here now. When I started these threads were enormous. It was pretty hard to get good answers.

Man I was totally ready to take the JCAT when I signed up but now that I finally got the password I just don't want to

I'll just watch more anime

>>144428598
>どうで

>俺のいる町
(not a mistake grammatically, but sounds weird as shit, 俺の町 is better, stop taking insporation for manga names, which are supposed to sound weird and thus eye-catching)

>誰かが日本語を分からない
>誰かが

>>144428576
It seems slightly giongo-ish
And it's pretty normal for there to be a shitload of onomotopoeia meaning approximately the same thing

Really, they are all the same word and you can read it however you like
Personally I use either しばたく、まばたく、またたく and have never really read it using the others

If the author cares they will write it in kana

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猫は今日図書館へ行った

So in this sentence, why does 今日 sit right next to 図書館? I guess I really have no idea what I'm getting at, but it feels weird that there isn't some sort of particle to separate the two, but I've so far not read why a sentence should be structured this way. It's literally TODAY LIBRARY.

Should I think of the sentence as two units, like 猫は今日　図書館へ行った?

>>144428326
I scored lower since I couldn't read kanji without furigana, but finished within 30 minutes - I didn't even know you could take two hours for the test.

Anyways most of the people ITT just guess the meaning, and assume that's comprehension. There's no real sense of actual comprehension until N2/N1 level - anything before and you should just be satisfied if you can understand the gist, as annoyingly frustrating as that is.

>>144428949
its ok you woulda scored 200 something at best just keep studying and dont worry about standardized tests if you dont need the certification

the only metrics that matter are the ones you set (and achieve) for yourself

>>144429037
Particles can sometimes be dropped when it is clear what they should be. Your intuition that a particle is "missing" is actually correct, but the sentence isn't wrong because of it.

What if the goal I set for myself is a 400 on the JCAT

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>>144429091
Ah, I see. I had originally written the sentence with 通う seperating the two, but someone gave me a correction and removed it in favor of just having the two sitting next to each other. Japanese sentence structure is still a bit hard for me.

How much progress is did you make in your first month?

>>144429155
Depends how you want to quantify progress anon.

>>144429155
I read Oretsuba and Muramasa along with watching all of detective conan raw

>>144429180
I guess amount of kanji, vocab, and grammar lessons.

>>144429015
Thanks a ton. I'm not sure what you mean by manga names... I was thinking "The town where I live", guess I need to start actually thinking in Japanese more...

Also, was I supposed to use 誰でも？　Or was I wrong to use が？ I read that が is used when the topic of the sentence is "new" to the conversation. I suppose that's wrong?

Thanks again in advance.

>>144429155
Pretty much zero with regards to language skills. I had no discipline or self-control, so I had to build up that first. Started with a rule of at least 5 minutes of study a day, but built up to 3-4 hours after a few months.

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>>144428326
>I did not truly understand even a single listening question
>did better than me

>>144429281
I think 誰にも would be the best in this case

>>144428701
Thanks, I also stopped being a fag and looked at OP's link, guess I'll see you guys in a few weeks, godspeed

>>144429281
日本語が分かるやつはいない

>>144421217
エンド
たたかう
魔法
アイテム

なんでやねん

私わ眠い

>>144429967
こんにちは、眠いくん。
わたしはジョン

>tfw almost 2am and I haven't finished my reps.

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I fell below 95% retention in core 6k today, I'm worried I will never learn Japanese at this rate.

Any tips for increasing speed/recall? It already feels like I'm wasting all my free time with this but with little to show for it except associating English words with sounds/pictures/unrelated information.

Anyone know where to get japanese audio books? Even if it's just translated from english books. I know harry potter is big there.

>>144430104
Are you trying to humble brag about how well you learn your beginner shit?

>>144430104
>He fell for the retention meme
Your retention may fall below 60% and you will still make it.
Words that you got wrong now will be shown again so you can have them wrong as many as you want, some day they will just stick with you and that's what matters.

>>144430205
I just want to destroy the confidence of those who are satisfied with losing more than they learn.

>>144430104
>300 cards in 30 minutes
That's fast enough. You should add more cards/day.

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I haven't read anything in a week. Just anki reps.

Anyone else feel like you'd read more, if you had a physical version of manga/LN.

Reading on my computer drains me mentally.

>>144430312
>Anyone else feel like you'd read more, if you had a physical version of manga/LN

no, because i couldnt look shit up

>>144430269
im pretty sure the only people who are left dont do flash cards or already know more japanese than you so good luck on your quest 主人公さん

>>144430269
Be proud when you hit real landmarks in your learning like being able to watch anime raw or read without encountering any new kanji

Everything else is just trying to satisfy yourself with fake goals to distract yourself from how far you are from the real ones

>>144430269
oh shit now you've done it, your original post has completely wiped out my motivation 8 months into core 2/6k :^)

>>144430485
I'm so glad I could save one of you.

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Is this how Japanese girls type?

>>144430036
でもな
マジ眠いよ俺
こりゃヤバイよ割りとまじで
座りながらうとうとしてるよ困ったな

日本語喋りのトップランカーを連れてこい

>>144430809
本当にそんなに眠いなら寝るだろう

>>144430752
no thats pretty normal for everybody especially muscular ikemen

>>144430312
>people who don't read VNs can't learn Japanese, the post

>>144430752
I don't get the さぃっょ or the っヵわす

このスレで日本語にかけては誰が最も上手？

>>144430752
NE

>>144431011
いもうとだろ

>にかけて
「にかけて」は確かに「何々にかけてはXさんより優秀な者はいない」のように「誰よりもうまい」の意味で使うんだけど、それは平叙文のことで、疑問文でつかうことはあんまりないと思うよ

>>144431151
同じ

>>144431151
>かなだけ
>最も上手

>>144431274
>最も下手
>English

>>144431274
漢字に頼ってばかりでは
とうてい日本語マスターにはならないんだよ

>>144430752みたいなのも読まないようにならなければ俺は日本語を知っているなんて言う権利はない

>>144430935
The former is a slang reading of 最強, while the latter is 褒めて交わす.

Thankfully my favourite idol types normally.

>realise the past few days I've just been refreshing kana and feeling accomplished without actually learning any grammar
Opps

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I'm improving
hope that will continue

>>144431983
グッジャブ

>>144431983
「精神薄弱」のカードをじっくり勉強しろや

>>144430275
>more than 300 reps per day
How horrifying.

>>144432197
>tfw 600

I just want to escape

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>>144432197
uh oh

>>144432231
i bet you know so much japanese right now

I WANT TO HOLD MAARI-SAN'S HAND

>>144432271
え

>>144432581
い、いやらしい～

>>144429281
About the 俺のいる町 thing, 君のいる町 is the manga I was referring to.

As I said, it's not grammatically wrong, but it doesn't feel like a natural thing to say, unless you want to express the specific nuance it has.

Consider that rverything you actually say/write will seem relevant to readers/listeners. After all, it's what you chose to say/write and not a different way. Especially in cases where an easy obvious way exist (俺の町) and you choose something different (俺のいる町).

There the nuance is that only thing that matters about said city is that you are in it. That just sounds weird in a normal sentence, especially when you mention other people from the city next. (If might work in a name of a romance manga though.)

>>144432852
俺のいるちんこどうぞ

Is it legitimate to translate ネタ as "meme"?

I mean, ネタ rather refers to "material (to talk/joke about)", but it appears to hold a similar position in Japanese netlingo.

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>>144433144
no

>do Anki while having very quiet Japanese music on in the background
>space out, listen to the lyrics
>girl just talking in a calm manner, not even singing, and saying "お願いです、諦めてください"

Why does dekinai not leave me alone?!

>>144433144
It's never okay to translate anything as "meme"

Am I correct in assuming the amount of weebs are declining?

My 16 year old younger sister's friends all talk about how cool Korea is and how they want to learn Korean.

I remember back in my day that that was exactly the same but with Japanese.

Even some of the people I know that were heavy weebs back in the day (think cosplay to school) say Japan in lame and post Korean shit to Facebook.

Is this a global phenomenon or am I just in an unlucky vacuum bubble of Korean lovers?

>>144433213
>>144433280
What would you recommend then?

>>144433314
Depends on the context ennit

>>144433293
the truth is a lot of the weebs have done their level 30 class change to mahoutsukais

so in a sense its correct but i think non anime ppl are still the ones who want to be korean so fuck em

>>144433246
>Listening to anything while doing anki

諦めてください

>>144433293
they want to learn korean because its easier and nip is a pleb filter language

>>144433293
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Wave

My university recently opened a Korean major, so I am witnessing it first-hand too.

Yeah, fuck /r/learnjapanese.

>some beginner guy posts a simple sentence and doesn't include だ・です
>ledditors jump on his ass for not including that
>I say "technically, だ・です isn't necessary. . .people (esp. females) omit it all the time"
>downvoted to hell for no reason

/blog

It's my own fault for frequenting that autistic cesspool

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>>144433349

>>144433293
Korean culture is pretty much exactly the same as American culture but with asians, it's not hard to see why it's really popular and easy to get into

>>144433360
Anon there is no hope for me.

殺してくれ、お願い

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>>144429070
>There's no real sense of actual comprehension until N2/N1 level - anything before and you should just be satisfied if you can understand the gist, as annoyingly frustrating as that is.

Then why does every Redditor act like they can read anything immediately? (Using machine translation for vocabulary.)

Are these people simply clueless weeaboos that can understand few simple phrases, this gets to their heads and they act like they can understand anythything when in reality they just look up verbs and nouns and make up shit based on their first listed meaning in the dictionary?

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おはようおにいちゃん

ばすがすばくはつ

>>144433500
いもうとのいえばくはつ

>>144433500
フルーツジュースちゅちゅちゅちゅう

>>144433293
I have never met a single person who holds even the slightest shred of interest in Korean "culture", or considers them or their language to have even the slightest twinge of relevance to anything or anyone, or has even the slightest speck of respect for any human being born there.

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I need to stop trying to internally translate the things I read and just come to innately know the shit like I do English. When I try to translate things it often ends up baffling me.

>>144433616
Have you ever been outside of your house?

Guess it depends what kind of places you're exposed to, but I've seen many a koreaboo in my time

>>144433643
当たり前だろう

>誰かが音を闇の中に引きずりこんでいるような、そんな気がした。
>引きずり

Fuck does this mean? "Train of dress" doesn't make sense...

>>144433695
引き摺り込む

>>144433695
まぎらわしいね。ごめんねおにいちゃん

引きずる　と　引きずり込む　と　引き込む　は

それぞれまったくべつの意味だよ

I'm stuck at お兄ちゃんのオチンチン and when does it get easier?

>>144421498
Everyone is too shit at the language or just doesnt share the same tastes as me then seeing as I barely get any replies

This thread should be renamed to anki general tips and tricks 24/7 because its all people talk about here anymore. Beginners jerking other beginners off and giving each other advice about how to learn

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>>144434118
I'm a beginner and I just want to learn from my senpais.

>>144434154
まず、ただしい吸い方を教えてやる

口を開けて

Gonna post (part) of a convo I really enjoyed reading, maybe someone else will too. I can post a continuation too if someone bothered reading it.

安心してる場合じゃないだろ！
俺は枯葉を撒き散らして、バネ仕掛けのおもちゃのように腹筋の力で上半身を起こした。
「えっ？」
春海もそれにあわせて跳ね起きた。
「へっ、ヘビでもいた？　マムシじゃなきゃ害はないと思うけど……」
「そうじゃなくて、ごめん。寒いのって辛いか？」
春海は小首を傾げ、
「えっ？　それは、まぁ、辛いけど……」
「痛いのと同じくらいつらいことか？」
キョトンとして俺を見つめ返してから、
「あはっ」
と破顔した。
「俺、何か変なこと言った？」
「もし辛いって言ったら、どうするつもりなのかな？」
「もう１回、焚き火を起こすよ。　俺が見張ってれば山火事の心配はないだろ？」
「一季ちゃんは寝ないつもり？」
「１日くらいなら寝なくても平気だよ。　じっとしていればそれだけで体力は回復するしさ」
「ん～っ。もしかしてとは思っていたんだけど。　……一季ちゃんの趣味って自己犠牲？」
「んな趣味の奴はいねーだろ」
「そんなことないよ。　自己陶酔と自己満足を満たせるんだから。　趣味ってそういうものじゃない？」
「……でも一季ちゃんの自己犠牲ってそういうのじゃないよね？」
「自分を分析する趣味はないよ」
「それ嘘だよね？　心が壊れてるなんて言われて、　自分の心を見つめない人なんかいないよ。　嘘でも本当でもいいけど、それじゃ私が分析してあげる」
春海は、そっ、と囁くように言う。
「……怖いんだよね？」
「………」
月光にさらされた春海の顔が、やけに青白く見えた。
「それって自分が異常だってことがかな？　みんなに嫌われるのがかな？　それとも私に嫌われるのがかな？」
「………。　………。　……全部だ」
そうだ。全部、怖い。

>>144434285
i read the whole thing can you psot more

i cant even say that with a straight face no i didnt read it tldr

>>144434118
it sounds like youre ready to tryout for the cool posting crew

よろしく、ｙｏｕ　ｂｉｔｃｈ

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>>144434264
I think that says something about the correct way to learn is to open my mouth.

>>144434339
He didn't even take the time to finish Katakana. Dropped him after that.

>>144434365
cool youre one of those sickos

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>>144434445

>>144434365
It says, first I'll teach you the correct way to suck

Open your mouth

>>144434285
What did you enjoy about it? And what is it from?

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Japanese sentence structure still confuses me. It always feels like there's something missing.

>>144434823
Do you know what a phrase is

>>144434823
コマリますか？

Get it? Like Komari-chan?!

笑ってください

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>>144434845
Yes.

>>144434968
Do you know what a grammar structure is

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>>144434994
I'm still studying grammar.

>>144435032
It's normal to feel lost then

Just gotta keep reading about grammar and reading in japanese

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>>144435042
I'm trying my best but it still makes me feel a little hopeless sometimes. Thanks, senpai.

>>144434823
足りない部分は言葉でなく「心」で理解するのです。

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>>144435032
someone dropped this in the last thread, helped me out a bit
i still feel the same lost feeling tho like i can barely follow this>>144434285 because i dont know who is talking to whom or if its internal monologue

>>144435123
Heard of 「」?

>>144435069
Verb goes at the end.
Now you know japanese grammer. Have fun.

>>144435166
yeah. but its nothing like
"Bal bla bla," said peter
"i cant believe in you anymore." replied kizumi
'shes probably an alien'

>>144435174
>Being this autistic

>>144435247
You can tell by just the context of what they're saying. 一季 is the one having the inner monologue and he uses 俺、while 春海 uses 私.

How much useless kanji do you have to learn for JLPT2?

What are some good reading materials if you don't like:

-Manga
-Books
-Visual novel
-Anime
-J-music
-RPG's and MOE trash.
-Japanese drama or other live-action shit.

I keep chipping away at Anki but I don't have any actual material to train myself in reading genuine shit.

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>>144435605

>>144435605
you're basically /fit/ at this point with functional strength

>>144435605
Video games. Play Animal Crossing.

>>144435605
Have you ever heard of something called a "book"?

>>144435605
Why are you learning the language?

>>144434118
I don't post at all because I don't feel like I have anything to contribute with as a beginner.
Maybe I should reconsider this attitude?

>>144435679
I don't like books man.

>>144435651
Actually good advice. Thanks.

>>144435690
Hentai. And maybe the obscure japan-only game once in a while. Hentai tho.

>>144435717
Fuck off back to /v/ loser.

>>144435717
>I don't like books man.
>What's something good to read if I don't like reading?
There you go.

>>144435717
Generally anything aimed at kids with furigana is going to be right up your alley. I wouldn't bother with anything more complex until you get a grip of basic grammar. Animal Crossing is pretty useful since you have a variety of conversations about different topics from characters that have different personalities.

>>144435717
>Hentai

Why not read doujinshi, eroge, lewd LNs and stuff like that then?

>>144435717
Maybe learn a language which you'll get more use out of, dude

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>>144435605

>>144435808
Some of us want to move out of our shitty countries into a slightly-less shitty country, not everyone is super into anime/manga/vns. I've never read through a VN and the most niche manga I've read was Over-Rev. I'm not into little anime girls either, I've only ever watched 2 sol animes

>>144435775
Is there some sort of list of games that have furigana?

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にほんごの実際の会話と

えいご、あるいはＪＬＰＴと大きく違うところは

実際のにほんご会話は、相手がしゃべってるとちゅうで、遮るようにしゃべりはじめることが

「行儀が悪くない」ことになっていることじゃないかなあとおもうよ

和製英語で「カットイン」っていうよ

ネイティブとの会話中に頻繁にカットインされて

戸惑うあのんくんがおおいよ

>>144421765
To be fair not everything is auto-evident.

Had to ask here how to write づ and I have no idea how to type in a small aiueo yayoyu without typing a combination and erasing the first kana.

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>>144435967
私はちかちゃんを欲しい嵌めるたい。

I'm more than sure that this sentence makes no sense.

>>144436308
>I have no idea how to type in a small aiueo yayoyu without typing a combination and erasing the first kana.

Prefix it with an "l".
la -> ぁ
lya -> ゃ
etc.

>>144429266
0, 54, 7

>>144436558
ありがとぉぉぉぉぉ！

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I bought this to help me study. I still have not learned a lot of grammar.

Was this a good decision?

This might seem like a bit of a basic question but is the affirmative response to negative questions a Yes or No in Japanese?

>>144436756
Its affirmative

>>144436725
You have bought an English-learning game for Japanese children in order to learn Japanese?

Probably won't hurt, but I doubt it will help you a whole lot.

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>>144436923
You can change the script from English to Japanese at the touch of a button, so I figured it might be good reading material.

Listening to EOPs whine about Japanese is great fun. You get all the dumb arguments like "WHY DO THEY HAVE 5 DIFFERENT WRITTEN LANGUAGES" or "I started learning but then I got to kanjis and gave up" or "how are you supposed to remember a million stroke orders".

It's like bathing in the tears of a million failures while they beg and scream for you to translate things for them.

>>144436967
Try that game with the two sisters where you're a gaijin visiting Japan, it has Japanese and English text at the same time if I recall correctly. Go Go Nippon was the title I think.

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>>144437044
I remember seeing that posted around when it came out. Thanks for reminding me. I'll check it out.

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>>144437020
Kanji are the most interesting part of learning written Japanese tbqh. So many sexy looking characters, and learning radicals makes you feel like you're learning an alien language.

>>144437283
True that

I just wish the reading system wasn't so retarded

What's that sites name that checks whether the sentence you have is correct or whatever?

>>144437494
It's called google.

>>144437283
Kanji was a mistake.

>>144437689
It was. Just like the Gregorian calendar or the imperial system.

But you should either embrace it like a challenge or give up. It's too late to change the system.

>>144437689
Kanji keeps halfwits and from learning the language and spreading their shit genes to Japan, it is the force keeping Japan pure and sacred. Be thankful to kanji.

>>144433470
Pretty much - ignore anyone who recommends texthooking, they're mostly sexual deviants who want to feel like they're enjoying their porn games for something other than the loli

There's little point even trying to learn how to read full paragraphs before you have a good 2.5k words under your belt; before that, you should focus on speaking, since short sentences are more natural and rewarding. It's just more difficult to do this when you're going the self-taught I-don't-care-about-anything-but-reading recognition-here-,-production-is-for-losers route.

>>144435605
newspaper

>>144437791
But but.... I'm enjoying my porn games for the gameplay while you are still wasting time learning a dead language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cji7F1scNgM

I'm having trouble understanding the て-form.
Is it just used to make compound sentences?

>>144438156
It does a bunch of shit

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tfw no Japanese sensei

>>144437775
This, kanji saves Japan from low IQ populations.

>>144433470
I sense a lot of projection going on in that post.
You know, unlike you some people actually learn grammar before they start text hooking, which should be enough to understand what exactly all those verbs and nouns do in a sentence without guessing.

>>144437791
http://www.j-cat.org/

>>144438231
I'm kinda realizing that, but it's hard to understand.

>>144438486
>I'm kinda realizing that, but it's hard to understand.
This is how I feel about everything related to Japanese.

>>144438509
Well, that's reassuring.
I'm guessing the best thing to do is just to try and look it up in DOJG and try to figure it out as I go.

Y'all get a hard on from the IDEA of learning Japanese more so than the actual process of learning it, be honest.

All of you actually hate Japan and the Japanese as much as you hate yourselves.

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>>144438657
I'm having fun learning Japanese. I enjoy the process, but it can be frustrating at times, mostly because I am FUCKING RETARDED.

>>144438657
But surely not as much as you like projecting.

>>144438657
But learning is fun.

>>144438392
I sense a beginner that learned some basic grammar forms and thinks he knows everything.

What an I talking about are cases where Japanese's reliance on contextuality rears its head and the sentence is hard to understand unless you actually understand it perfectly, without having to look up something, especially in shitty English distictionaries that in no way account for cases where concepts don't match between the two languages.

But I guess whatever makes you feel safer about your lack of understanding, sucker.

>>144438657
I love Japan, the country in itself is nice - scenery, landscapes, the contrast between Okinaga and Hokkaido. The people are interesting too; harsh to outsiders in a way and xenophobic, but hard working and creative. And of course, the media. All my favorite hobbies are created by the Japanese.

Japan is good, it's sugoi, it's banzai and just COOL in general. I love it and I'm not even sarcastic in any way. My life would be much worse off if that titty bitty island didn't exist.

>>144438657
I'm actually enjoying myself much more than before I started learning, I even don't want to kill myself anymore. Anime is more fun to watch, games are more fun to play, porn is more arousing in Japanese.
I'm afraid that fresh feeling is going to dull as I get used to it more, though, no idea what I would have to do next to keep myself going.
Probably learn programming or some shit.

>>144438614
Reading is the best thing you can do, other than that just looking up grammar explanations on google, or looking at example sentences that use said grammar, and trying to get as good a grasp of it as possible is your best bet

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C'mon, 800m x 600m is no city. Especially considering they previously said it has population of 300 000.

How is this supposed to work?

>>144438825
And how the fuck do you expect anyone to get to that level of complete understanding without reading a lot?

>>144438665
I wish I had mad photoshop skillz

>>144438829
>harsh to outsiders in a way and xenophobic
Why japan so hidoi?

>>144438948
I expect them to stop acting like they're finished learners reading and comprehending works and acting like having to look up every first-and-halfth word doesn't affect their comprehension.

Basically the promise they promote is a lie.

>>144438156
It depends on the context. Context is everything in this language.

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>>144435917
I have a few articles bookmarked about manga that has furigana but none for video games. Just download roms of kids games you'd be interested in and check for yourself.

>>144436725
Little Charo is more for traveling. It's good, but the Japanese>English function is only really useful if you're struggling a lot with a phrase and want to use the jist of the English translation to help you.

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>>144438825
Sounds more like you're an insecure beginner who's upset that other people can grasp basic grammar without years of study.

>>144438829
そうですね＋１

>>144439207
If that makes you feel safer. And yes, as you can see, I'm consistent in my opinions, Reddit friend.

>>144439236
>calling other people Redditors while constantly posting screenshots of Reddit
You certainly are consistent.

>>144439273
kek

>>144439007
So basically you're mad at someone on plebbit saying they read your favorite VN with a text hooker because they may have lost some nuance?

>>144439327
The main issue seems to be that "the Redditor" read it earlier than "the non-Redditor" did

>>144438829
それある

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I have blonde hair and blue eyes. Would the nihonjin like me?

>>144439327
No, just that they act like they understoof everything.

>>144439383
>Blonde hair

Get out of here you slut

>>144439383
Sure. You won't get a job though.

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>>144438657
shit hes on to us

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>>144439423
RUDE

>>144439436
What if I don't want a job and just want some cool Japanese tomodachi?

>>144439389
Who?

>>144439444
Stay snug, smug.
トリップス目撃した

>>144439496
>トリップス

ぞろ目

>>144439491
some guy called reddit i think

>>144439389
That's a very silly reason to get butthurt over.
Even sillier to take that butthurt to a completely different community and display it across multiple threads.

>>144439483
Why would they want to be your friend? What do you bring to the table except being a baka gaijin that types out romaji in English sentences?

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Can we try something new?

In order to practice, I picked a song I like and tried to translate it using only a dictionary.

Here is the result: https://titanpad.com/Sg7BXL0GqI

Now, if anyone wants to help, just add in some corrections/explanations of my mistakes.

And then the link can stay there for anyone who wants to read and learn something.

I'm counting on you, DJT!

ANyone know any basic japanese mmo's where i can practice conversation and have fun

>>144439721
>practice conversation
League of L-
>and have fun
None off the top of my head

>>144439721
Midnight Walker

>>144439721
some minecraft server maybe i dunno

>>144439721
Do you have a time machine?

>>144439327
it's like I'm on /jp/

>>144439909
Sometimes I forget /jp/ is still a thing.

>>144439658
I noticed mistakes immediately.

>変わっても覚えていたくて
>Even if things changed, I wanted to remember
The singer is the one changing. "Even when I change"

>一日を本にした
Each day I turned into a book
(I.e. wrote a new diary for every day, as in a new physical volume a day)
>日に日に本は増えてった
Day by day the number of volumes rose
>大切な本は埋もれた
And my precious books got buried
(Here he means that as he piled books on top each other, the older ones were getting buried under new ones, referring to how older memories are easier to forget)

>なくしたワケじゃない
>There was no reason why it disappeared
ワケ here isn't a word with full meaning, but a part of the わけではない grammatical construct - "It's not like I lost them".

>見えなくなっただけ
>It simply disappeared
I just lost sight of them (because the newer books are covering them)

I don't want to be mean, but 6 lines, 6 misinterpreted lines. Perhaps it's too early to translate?

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>>144439571
Imagine you let your TV on and are on the kitchen, making some grub.
But you let your baby there, playing with some cubes and staring at the TV.
Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove is being broadcast. At some point Major Kong starts to scream and gets a giggle out of the baby.

Suddenly, a very angry man with a druggie suit breaks through your window, screaming like a barbarian.
He gets your child by the lapels and shakes it, screaming:

STOP WATCHING THIS MOVIE! YOU CAN'T PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND IT! YOU'RE JUST A BABY! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS COMMUNISM!

>>144439721
FFXIV.

>>144439721
DQX

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>>144440091

>>144439658
You learned grammar, didn't you? How come your understanding of the song is so bad if you're using a dictionary?

You should know what communism is.

>>144439721
PSO2

>>144439721
PTSD

I attempted to translate an eromango and posted it here: >>4331106

If anyone's bored (それともシコシコ気がする)
and could check them for me, I'll appreciate.
I also know my english isn't really good so any fixes to these is also very much appreciated.

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>>144440027
>Perhaps it's too early to translate?
Maybe. But isn't reading the same? The mistranslation still happens in your head, you just don't share it with the world.

And well, I'd say the meaning was partially captured by the original translation, they just have to accommodate new discoveries.
Using your hints I can already, for instance, notice the "mountain" mentioned is a mountain of books.

I'll add these to the Pad anyway, thank you.

>>144440287
Huh, how do you link cross-board messages now?
Anyway:
>>>/h/4331106

>>144440287
>それともシコシコ気がする
if this is any indication I think I'll abstain thanks

>>144421217
>all those dead links
How is that even possible? I remember that when we distributed the CoR someone had a master of everything to prevent this from happening.

>>144440296
>And well, I'd say the meaning was partially captured by the original translation

Why are you excusing your total lack of comprehension?

>>144440354
The guy who had a master of everything is the one that deleted so much stuff.

>>144440325
Not him, but I assume you mean that it's not -すれば?
Or is there something wrong with the term シコシコ気?

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>>144440399
Because it wasn't total, anon.

Are you EOP per chance?

Learning a new language is not like reading a linear set of words, it's more of a blurry page that becomes sharper and sharper all at once as you go.

How would you translate 「5年前に車が欲しくなりましたが、３年前に便利なところに引っ越したので、要らなくなりました。」　?

I'm having trouble with 欲しくなる. It's not like 好きになる and 亡くなる, those have their own definitions. But what do you call the process of becoming desired?

>>144440527
I've read the first 6 lines of your translation and out of them you misunderstood 6 of them, and the main idea of the song too. I even explained your mistakes to you.

You're congratulating yourself for correctly understanding some nouns and verbs?

>>144440566
"I started wanting"

>>144440438
Well shit. Fuck that faggot. Why volunteer if you're going to take everything with you when you rage quit? I barely use the DJT anymore but I always check the CoR every month to see if the links of my accounts are still working.

>>144440588
this is why ill never post anything ive tried to translate, probably even after years

>>144440660
Oh, did you have links of your own taken down?

>>144440677
Because people will tell you what and how much you did wrong?

Sorry, but I'm not hammering on that guy just to be mean. If he at least understood the main idea about the singer writing a book every day and the pile getting bigger, I wouldn't say "total lack of comprehension".

>>144440713
>Because people will tell you what and how much you did wrong?
no because a dissonance will form and not allow me to part with my decisions of what ive translated as truth

i literally wont learn anything

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>>144440588
No one is congratulating anything here, you are reading too much into it.
And by doing that you sound as silly as the leddit hater just above.

Wasn't "thank you" enough, maybe?
Perhaps by "I don't want to be mean" you meant you actually wanted to, but since I didn't get unreasonably upset you are trying other methods of turning this into a fight?

「あはっ。こういう時、女の子は楽だよね。　ただ待ってればいいんだもん。　男の子は行動しないといけないから大変だね」
「待ってるのだって大変なんじゃないか？」
「うん。だから早く行動してくれないかな～とは思ってるよ」

I don't understand this exchange, someone explain/translate it please.

>男の子は行動しないといけないから大変だね
[Guy][Action][Have to] Is what I think I understood, but the から大変 doesn't make sense to me. If a guy has to take action it's bad?

And then he asks, isn't waiting bad, to which she answers yes, that's why you shouldn't take action quickly which doesn't make sense.

I probably misunderstood something big here so please educate me

>it's another "cocky intermediate gets his ego bruised" episode

>>144440859
Who does "cocky intermediate" refer to here? The guy that tried to translate the song?

>>144440846
Why are you reading before learning basic grammar?

How basic can my understanding of katakana be before moving on? I don't care for it at all.

>>144440846
What is this? Isn't it obvious that damn mesubuta should be on the aggresive and not the male.

>>144440846
"大変" means "hard" or "difficult" here.

>あはっ。こういう時、女の子は楽だよね。　
Aah, in times like these girls have it easy.
>ただ待ってればいいんだもん。
They can just do nothing and wait.
>男の子は行動しないといけないから大変だね
Guys have it harder, they have to take action.

>から大変
から denotes reason.
大変 explained above.

>待ってるのだって大変なんじゃないか？
But just waiting isn't easy either.

>うん。だから早く行動してくれないかな～とは思ってるよ
Yeah, so I'm hoping you'll act soon.

>>144440846
i think the japanese words から and だけ are so evil. so much room for us EOP to misinterpret something.

anyways Ｘしてくれる means "to do X for someone"

anyways i think it's like
"aha, at this time, it's easy for girls. you only wait. the boy has to do something, so it's tough for them"
"but isn't it hard to wait?"
"yes. because you're thinking 'won't you hurry up and do something?!' "

>>144440999
>I don't care for it at all.
Well you need it, so tough luck.

>>144440999
you can treat it as unknown kanji but it's basically the easiest kanji you will learn

I didn't have katakana completely mastered until I was almost finished with basic grammar

>>144441018
>>144441056
Thank you for answering seriously, that made it easy to understand.

>>144441015
>雌豚
Anon Pls

What does /djt/ think of Yuta?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg

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i wonder how americans deal with metric since japan isn't retarded

>>144441831
Most of his vids are pretty cringy, same as all the other generic "asking the public" videos out there, not to mention a lot of them have to do with dating and shit, that kanji one and the otaku one are the only ones I like that he's done, since the topics interest me

>>144441888
is there supposed to be a problem with metric

I use meters on a regular basis, right next to feet and inches

binary > decimal though

tfw you have difficulty reading the JLPT/N5 because they do NOT use kanji...
to think i complained over kanji when i started and now i can't understand properly if they use only kana.

>>144441888
Metric for what? I'm not bothered by using cm, m and km, but then again I'm not American. I could imagine celsius being confusing to dummy Americans though.

>>144441975
>N5
Why would you even bother with that? N4 is the bare minimum you should be doing.

>>144441975
Kana only shit is a giant pain in the ass once you've gotten used to kanji

>>144441975
This is one of the first things that people who make it through the casual filter realize

>>144441831
>words that we all learn during the six years of compulsory education
>level: 7th grade
what

>>144442070
But casual filter is N1.

>>144442058
Im not taking it... i just was looking some sample questions.

>>144442082
You don't learn kanji in 1st grade.

>>144442124
N4 is casual filter
N3 is "I only want to read weeb shit" tier
N2 is "I actually want a job" tier
N1 is "I'm an actual autist that has visited Japan 17 times" tier

>>144442176
you don't learn the jouyou kanji for first grade in first grade?

>>144442204
>N1 is "I'm an actual autist that has visited Japan 17 times" tier
t. N3

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>>144442124
That's what it should be, but unfortunately the point where many people give up "dood, why do I have to learn all these, can't Japan use English letters."

>that anon from yesterday who told a story about an N5 level pleb taking a professional translation job

still bothers the shit out of me

>>144442234
lol

(loling cause true, lol)

>>144442256
thanks it really means a lot to me

>>144442204
All of the JLPT levels are casual shit

破瓜

>>144442303
This

Autist Mode is when someone starts seriously studying for the higher levels of Kanken

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I know its pretty basic stuff, but i feel very proud understanding every single phrase in this question.

>>144439909
/jp/ is generally chill about these kind of things, though. I rarely see people get worked up over someone not knowing "enough" Japanese to read something.

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>>144442240
>N5 level pleb taking a professional translation job
>it's for TV-Nihon

>>144442409
The person I'm talking about was working on an official novel translation

>>144442204
Although im only in N3/N4 level, i can already tell N1 is quite basic and by no means i would call a person with N1 proficient