Why was the adaptation done so badly?
Which is weird, because the girls are legitimately better. In looks and personality. Even the MC is better.
Keep crying. The source material is gr8 m8. Good characters, fun action, nice lore, and simple development. That already puts it above the 99% of infested shitfests.
Holy shit it's real.
Thank you anon, words can't describe how happy I am right now.
Not to mention MGR soundtrack goes well with it.
I was just about to make the thread, there was a double release for chapters 4 and 5 for Volume 12.
The fact that the tournament was ruined right off the bat as well as its setting being ever slightly so different put it above the rest.
Not to mention, decent male side characters.
When you take all the small details out of a slightly intricate setting and rush the shit out of stuff, it turns out bad. Every fight was given the shtity CG treatment too.
Everything else went right though, the VA choice was unexpectedly amazing.
Someone's gotta rip that bandaid off. The sooner you learn your waifu is shit, the better.
Lapis is literally the best Anti-Magic girl, why do others even try to dispute this.
A bit plain compared to everyone else.
>has high class genes
>already thinking about having babies
>kicks ass even without any magical powers
Usagi is objectively the best girl in Antimagic.
You can't get anywhere close to high-class genes when you've got gene-manipulating girls like Ikaruga around.
I swear to god, if they don't have some kickass color spread for this one.
And that Another Mission 2 better have some Kyouya-Yoshimizu-Nero shenanigens
It'll be a damn miracle if he even makes it out of this alive.
But if anything, Lapis is most likely to die.
At least we've got a lot of Kurogane and Haunted
Honestly though, Kyouya barely exists in the illustrations for as many times he shows up.
Lapis doesn't die, none of the girls dies and in fact, one comes back to life. Still... nghh. *sighs*
That's about as much as I can spoil. If you don't want spoilers, don't enter.
Holy shit, I knew krytyk did those chapters shared through ghostbin (it was in his style and the fucking image files inside pointed to his site if you dug around a bit) but I didn't think he'd pick it up openly again, absolutely based. Really glad I didn't miss this thread.
The Only Thing I Know For Real = Takeru in God Hunter form
A Stranger I Remain = Laugh Maker
Red Sun = Haunted
The Hot Wind Blowing = Onii-sama
It Has to be This Way = Takeru and Kyouya especially Vol 9
I'm My Own Master Now = Takeru fights Onii-sama for the Truth
The Stains of Time = Orochi
Collective Consciousness = Sougetsu
A Soul Can’t Be Cut = Kiseki
Rules of Nature = Mech Dragons
Dark Skies = Orochi and Mother Goose
Locked & Loaded = Kyouya
Barely noticed that she kinda resembles Sharo. Pretty cute.
Whoever came up with this list is a fucking great guy, my enjoyment of the series was really boosted from this honestly.
Glad to see Krytyk pick up the translations again, and I'll gladly recant all my previous statements in other threads where I referred to him as a bitch.
In hindsight it was pretty immature to complain about someone who was doing it for free and out of their own free time stopping. It was just pretty depressing to see a series so close to its conclusion get the translation suddenly dropped. So I really appreciate him picking it up again.
Was that hope you said? Good, feel hope. Feel happiness. Praise whatever gods you pray to.
Because that will make the fall to despair all so sweeter.
12 episode industry killed anime.
I preferred if we had less shows each season but were longer. Not that before anime was better, but with longer series at least it had the redeeming point that you grew attached to the characters so at the end even if the show and characters were shit, you still would enjoy it anyway, cause you got attached to them.
Trigun for example was shit but eh, after 24 episodes you loved Vash
With 12 episode series that doesn't happen so we just have forgettable shows.
>kiseki anon hasn't posted
Doesn't feel right without him.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it has ruined the modern industry, but he has certainly harmed a great deal of series. I recall examples like Angel Beats where they wrote it thinking they were getting a 26 episode series, and then told nearly at the last minute they were only getting 13 (which was steadily becoming the standard at the time).
In terms of resources it makes sense, they can put more quality into each episode and with some series this can really work out for the better. However a lot of them just leads to shows that feel half-baked, characters or plot-lines feel underdeveloped, and there tends to be a lot of pacing issues that come along with it too. Series tend to start off slow, and suddenly kick it to high gear, potentially giving a feeling of whiplash to the audience.
So it's certainly one of the reasons why this series' adaptation was a failure. Though it also had a lot to do with Silver Link trying to do multiple shows that season, assigning a rookie director to the show, and basically treating the show as a failure from the start (which is a shame because the score, the cast, and the designs were great).
God no, because then A-1 would be animating this and manage to be even worse of an adaptation. Really, I'd prefer if Silver Link topped playing with their dicks and put this as their #1 instead of Rakudai.
>Why was the adaptation done so badly?
People always defend LN adaptations with "well the anime butchered it, the novel is better" but that seems like a load of crap.
If you like a light novel anime adaptation then most likely you will like the source material too, but is there anyone here who has watched an anime and hated/disliked it, but then went on to read the novel and actually found it enjoyable?
I want to see some examples.
On a side note, I actually enjoyed the anime for NGNL more than the novels which I ended up dropping because the writing/translation was just awful.
>there anyone here who has watched an anime and hated/disliked it, but then went on to read the novel and actually found it enjoyable?
Me. I disliked Index's adaptation but loved the LN's. Same goes for DxD's third season. I can also say I didn't like DAL s2 but when I read the volumes that the anime covered I liked them. LN adaptations are usually shit because they're just a cheap ad for the source.
>If you like a light novel anime adaptation then most likely you will like the source material too, but is there anyone here who has watched an anime and hated/disliked it, but then went on to read the novel and actually found it enjoyable?
There was this series, for one.
Aside from this?
Uh, Black Bullet I suppose.
Danganronpa, though that wasn't a LN.
Railgun, though that wasn't an LN either.
With this series though people can point to specific aspects of the novels that were enjoyable to read which were badly adapted for the anime.
>is there anyone here who has watched an anime and hated/disliked it, but then went on to read the novel and actually found it enjoyable?
Yes. I'm one of the people that watched the first few episodes of Taimadou, found it shitty, but liked the lore, so I checked out the LN and found it great. That's literally what a lot of people are complaining about when talking about the anime adaptation. The LN is actually great, but Silver Link really dropped the fucking ball.
>LN adaptations are usually shit because they're just a cheap ad for the source.
That's a fair point, but when you think about it: they pitch you the actual selling points of the series. Everything the novels add on top of that is just icing and sprinkles.
Also I'm curious:
Did you pick up the novels after watching the anime or before?
Persona 4 although that was a game and not a LN.
Fate/stay night although that was a VN and not a LN.
LNs just generally suck but Antimagic Academy was at least fun to watch and had well described chuuni battles and SUFFERING backstory which was very poorly conveyed into animation.
For example in the second episode a fat King Arthur shoots a purple beam at Takeru which gets absorbed and used to cut fat King Arthur down.
Had they actually adapted what happened in the novel, fat King Arthur purges his armor to become superspeed King Arthur and has a bullet time superspeed duel with Takeru, then shoots the Knights of the Round Table at him who get cut down one by one in bullet time.
The anime usually sells me on the premise, and that's what gets me to read them.
It depends on what. For DxD I picked up after the second season. Index I did it after watching both seasons. DAL also after the second season.
How bad were the BD sales again?
It makes me wonder what the short stories will be about in Another Mission 2.
He doesn't have a little sister.
Pretty much what >>144421265 said. Also, aside from this would be Black Bullet. There's probably another one or two, but I just can't remember atm.
Does he even have a Hero Form? Also
>Anti-Magic Kurogane over Rakudai Kurogane
But ReZero was isekai story so it had potential to be big riding on the isekai boom. Antimagic was a mid-00s magic academy battle harem throwback so it only had the potential to fight over scraps with Rakudai and Asterisk.
It was certainly more popular than AntiMagic's obscurity. Besides the point, it came out at the right moment just as the isekai fad had finally started gaining steam so obviously big investments all around.
If AntiMagic was written back in the late 00s when urban fantasy was at its peak because of shit like Index airing then yes it would have probably gotten better backing, better staff, and probably a better adaptation.
Now get over it.
She did everything wrong. Laugh Maker should have killed her when she had the chance.
Which doesn't tend to be a meme when the anime does a piss-poor job of conveying the tone and setting of the source material, let alone accurately adapting the characters and their motivations. You get bad anime adaptations-hell, not even just anime-bad adaptations all around, while the source material is actually great.
And cutting character interactions. Why did they do that to poor Lapis?
It has been a year or something already and I've forgotten most of the details from previous volumes. Gotta read all of it again to build up the hype meter for the final.
It's a real shame this series doesn't sell for some reasons. I'll buy it one day but as of now I lack the money and taking in books at this time is not a good idea, not to mention it's not easy to place an order from to my resident in the first place.
Anyone knows if author has a twitter?
Aw, it's them at a later-wait
N O P E
Looking on the bright side though, I'm sure a lot of anime that normally wouldn't see the light of green were made thanks to the 13 episodes format.
Bad adaptions are going to be bad adaptions regardless of format. I'm sure there are inherently bad quality of this format but the same could be said about 24 episodes and in the end, it's up to the staffs to make best use of what they got. I guess if there's anything that really bother me is the fact that I'll never see any real ending to any series of adaptions as long as this 12 episode format is maintained.
Any news on if he will do a new series? I look forward to a series with a less bullshit premise and more thought put into it at the start, instead of his half assing for the first few volumes.
Usagi looks like a proper maiden now.
Mari looks like some kind of detective character in her late twenty.
That Ouka is bretty fuckin good.
Suginami is now an office Christmas cake.
Is it just me or Takeru looks younger?
Wait, so I'm assuming that this means the series ended with an open ending romance wise considering this pic, and the fact that the author has stated he doesn't feel like he is good at romance right?
What happened to Kiseki? she's still around right?
Which is what Orochi wanted to do but Takeru is a super fucking faggot.
Orochi wanted to rewrite a world where he could also get to experience a normal childhood with his own younger sister but Takeru was like fuck you, fuck that, I'm gonna kill you, instead.
I really should reread the series.
But I guess his point was decent enough I guess, he wouldn't have met everyone if it weren't for the screwed up world they all ended up being in the first place
Mother Goose did promise everyone will meet again in the new world, just without the memory of previous world, that one I remember for sure. To be honest at that point I thought it was a pretty good deal but at the same time, Takeru made a decent point. For me it's just rewriting the world and removing magic completely has a lot uncertainty and unforeseeable side effects to it and while everyone will get together again, it just doesn't sit right to throw out altogether the current life you have had until now.
I completely change my point now though. With Inquisition nearly wiped out, Tokyo is super dead, when the battle end the balance of power will be shifted to magic side which won't ended up well. I still sympathize with how Takeru feel but in hindsight, they really should have accepted Mother Goose deal.
Well then, big Lapis spoiler.
>In order to return Takeru back to others, she decided to become a god by herself. To do that, she devoured Sougetsu's soul. She's an invisible and untouchable existence, but still appears to be by MC's side (he still retains soul-less(?) Mistilteinn) and he can somewhat feel her presence and hear her speak as hinted by epilogue.
I don't think I can, I love you faggots too much.
Now that it's finally over can we all agree AntiMagic is the worst battle harem of that season?
The dialogue was terrible; the story was nonsensical; the seiyuu's only had one emotion: angry; Mari wasn't even that cute.
>We never got to see Natch's human form
One fucking chance. There better be a artbook for this series. Or a materials or something. I need more.
I always envisioned her more mature, kinda like Albedo but with small breasts.
>In her human form, Nacht wears a black, goth-loli dress and had blue and blackish hair. Her eyes are particularly dark and iridescent, and gave off a villainous hue.
This is what the wiki says about her human form. I really hope she's not a loli, but. I prefer for her to have a mature form as well.
Her voice is pretty mature in the anime if that's any justification. If they were going to do an anime original ending with Haunted they could've at least shown her human form the bastards.
Seriously. They gave Nero a Hero Form but couldn't show Nacht's human form? The fuck is up with that?
Haunted fights Hayato, draws against him or something close to that and is killed by Kyouya.
Then, he reappears at the very end as a last boss and is killed again by Takeru (for good, I think).
More Lapis coming right up.
>Haunted was the last boss after all
Jesus christ, he just doesn't quit, what a guy
> The LN is actually great
What do you mean by great specifically?
Does it spare the reader of worthless forced exposition?
Is the prose in general competent, or is it either stilted or full of overly florid or repetitive passages that don't contribute anything meaningful?
Does it build the world through any semblance of "show, don't tell"?
Does it paint relatable multifaceted characters and support that by showing their interactions in combinations that aren't all "harem lead x harem girl"?
Do dramatic moments arise from humanly understandable conflicts between characters and their diverging personal values and goals, or is there an evil mastermind who's just evil because lol evil?
Are tragic moments emotionally justified, or are they the equivalent of the sudden appearance of the ever-looming Truck-kun, bane of Japanese school girls?
Most of the LNs that I've tried to read fail on at least three or four counts of these.
I imagined her to be a bit more than Nero, to be honest.
Seriously though, I hope we get a materials that shows everyone's Hero Forms and the human forms of the Relics.
You seem to be forgetting about Onii-sama, anon.
Speaking of Lapis, wasn't she the only magical heritage (that we know of) said to take on a different appearance? Being influenced by another's.
>Does it paint relatable multifaceted characters and support that by showing their interactions in combinations that aren't all "harem lead x harem girl"?
>Do dramatic moments arise from humanly understandable conflicts between characters and their diverging personal values and goals, or is there an evil mastermind who's just evil because lol evil?
Both. Done well.
>Are tragic moments emotionally justified,
Does it build the world through any semblance of "show, don't tell"?
Yes. Eveything is often hinted at or foreshadowed. Left around until the min characters or others in the know bring it up.
>Is the prose in general competent, or is it either stilted or full of overly florid or repetitive passages that don't contribute anything meaningful?
I would say no to the second. But the translation does have it's problems, so really who the fuck knows.
>Does it spare the reader of worthless forced exposition?
Yes. But also same as above.
>Eveything is often hinted at or foreshadowed. Left around until the min characters or others in the know bring it up.
Except for Mari.
Now you don't bring that "foreshadow" about her answering question in class up. That one is not even close to qualify as a foreshadow.
Mari wasn't meant to be foreshadowed though. She was always there.
> > Does it build the world through any semblance of "show, don't tell"?
> Yes. Eveything is often hinted at or foreshadowed. Left around until the min characters or others in the know bring it up.
Sorry, I should probably have been a bit more clear there.
By that I meant things like instead of the narrator or protagonist explaining that "in this country, magic users are terribly oppressed" you would let the reader infer that as a more whole picture complete through smaller incidental moments like a magic user addressing a police officer with a fearful and overly subservient tone, or a mother desperately yelling at their child to not use magic in public.
The simple explanation doesn't build mood, doesn't work toward any kind of narrative priorities, and doesn't give any reason to care.
This is the kind of thing where a huge amount of literary work fails in its world building, with explanations and exposition TELLING about the world in a boring and matter-of-fact way like the most uninspired history books, instead of SHOWING what the world is like through the logical consequences.
You've convinced me to give this a try but the prologue chapter starting with exactly that kind of dry history recap doesn't exactly fill me with hope. Let's see if it gets better.
First few volumes are pretty much the author bullshitting. Later volumes are the author pretty much putting his bullshit together into something reasonable. Honestly, you aren't gong to get something deep, but it's a fun action LN.
Deus ex Mari is strangely enough one of my favorite parts of this series. I mean in any other story I would be raging at the asspulls, yet with Mari it was nothing but entertaining.
Truly the Best Girl
Can I just say that I love the illustrations for this series? Like it manages to give a gritty feel to it while not draining all the color out of it to make it appear grimdark.
Seriously, ignoring the merits of the novel itself, it's really sad that even the art gets underappreciated.
The art was what drew me to this. Both the LN and the anime have fantastic art direction.
Volume 7 spread is the best.
This one is okay.
We just need Sage, Yuzuho, and more of Kyouya.
Yoshimizu too since her only appearance is based off what we see of Nero and courtesy of the anime
>Truly the Best Girl
Being flat as a board is but one of her many alluring features.
The illustrator is great. It's pretty unfortunate she doesn't get that many projects, though. Besides this, Nourin is probably the only work people may know of that's by her.
Atmosphere wise, I think it's the best.
I believe volume 13 is the last one, though I recall someone mentioning side-stories being written too, but I could be wrong about that.
Right? I feel like too many LN artists don't really have a good sense on body language. But the illustrations in this series really do a great job of conveying things.
I'm not quite sure how to describe it but somehow just simple things like Mari holding onto her hat a certain way, or the way popcorn man is casually holding his weapon really does give off a dramatic or epic nature to it.
Also there's just a lot of effort put into the pictures in general. I find that a good number of series tend to put most of the work in only the colour illustrations, while the actual images in the novels are somewhat lacking.
I believe in the afterwards the author was even talking about how he was surprised the publisher even let him write this many volumes. I guess they just really liked the series itself despite it not really being the best seller.
Honestly I'm glad we managed to get this many, and actually (from what I can tell) get a decent conclusion. Can't say that for many series, but I'm still a tad sad at the lack of recognition.
The author said writing romance isn't really his thing. Also, he mentioned that the series was originally suppose to end on the tenth volume, but work for the anime was longer than expected and was told to write more.
I also like how soft everything looked. Lapis was honestly made for this artstyle.
Because you didn't post her in color.
I WANT TO CUM INSIDE KISEKI
Can't believe I almost missed an Antimagic thread
She is a demon and a heretic, not your waifu.
Yeah. Everything was so bright and light, and the lines were drawn so thin. It's pointless to complain about it, but it still bothers me, y'know?
What would you do if you were in pro golfer's position?
Loli in picture is the human form of a legendary sword whose strongest ability has the potential to slay gods but to use it, its soul and its wielder's soul has to fuse into a single entity and she doesn't exactly want that but to continue using her abilities to face an ever growing list of tough enemies requires them to.
>It's not another generic harem
>The interactions are fun and comfy
>The adaptation is bad, just read the LN
>It's just that the translation is shit