Macross Delta

>>144372609
He's not into old men, what are you about.

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>>144372609

When will Arad finally go balls deep in Kaname's pussy?

>>144372996
Ten minutes before he dies.

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And now I jizz in my pants

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY

>>144372609
Like his father before him, Hayate would be too gentle

>>144373136
What do runes feel like?

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So was this another form of resonance?

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>>144372682
Fuck this scene, I fell in love all over again.

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How come they celebrate Freyja's birthday but not Mikumo's?

>>144373086
for AIDS

>>144373271
Yes. Now they can feel each other's emotions. We're going deep in this ship. Pulling the "two souls becoming one" card now

Sasuga Kawamori

>>144373374
Because nobody even knows when shinpi's bday is. Not even she knows

>>144373342
Are any Mirage fags still alive at this point?

>>144373374
Will she grow bitter and switch sides to get revenge on Frejya who stole everything from her?

>>144373420
How can Mirage compete?

>>144373420
Okada pls go

>>144373476
I'm on life support.

There's no way back from this. It was too cute and perfect. No matter what they pull in the next 9 episodes, it won't compare

How can Mirage even hope to compete after consensual rune touching happened?

>>144373374
Probably because nobody knows when her birthday actually is.
And she's perfectly capable of not showing up to her own party.

How much you wanna bet we'll be on episode 25 and Miragefags will still say "we still have 1 more episode! More than enough time for Mirage to win!"

been Mirage is suffering

>>144374170
Nah, they will complain about "shitty writing".
Meanwhile Delta's 1st volume BD jumped to #23 in Amazon's preorder rankings after the last episode: https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DLWEAWC

So Mikumo is a super alien goddess I guess from those little flashes she seems to have. Also how likely is it that Hayate's father was the one that dropped the reaction bomb on Windermere?

Mirage is the cuck queen.

>>144374432
>Also how likely is it that Hayate's father was the one that dropped the reaction bomb on Windermere?
Zero.
Because it was dimensional eater

>>144373420
That man is a national treasure.

Dude designed the VF-1 and Optimus Prime too

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What is she dreaming about?

Hayate and Freyja are half-siblings, they share the same father.

>>144374773

>guri guri deculture

WINDNIGGER GENOCIDE SOON

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>>144374919

KILL EM ALL

>>144375071
>Frejya is Flores
>Mirage is Carmen
Like poetry.

Man, this episode was awesome.

>>144375187
But Freyja is one of the bugs.

>>144374432
Mikumo is Freyja's daughter from the future

>>144373657
well when Frejya dies its a moot point who would have won. I really at this point see either her or mirage dieing at this point.

>>144374773
About Miragefags preparing the rope

>>144375406
>Frejya is the brainbug
So who is she gonna kill? Arad?

This thread has so much hate for Mirage and her fans now. Sad.

So hayate's dad is the one who dropped the bomb and killed Freyja's parents, then?

>>144375700
Mirage never had a chance and her love for Hayate was nothing but crippling for her character.
If anyone deserves to be hated it'd be the guy who wrote this shit.

>>144375496
If Freyja dies it doesn't necessarily negate her winning. If it happens it'll be late in the series.

>>144375744
most likely it will be, He was ment to drop the bomb on the capital but could not bring himself to do it and dropped it short so as to not kill as many people.

>>144375744
They died because of OLDs

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How does it feel to lose so badly?

>>144375700
I've never hated Mirage but I've also never been all too fond of the obnoxious shitposters (on either side) who spam threads with their bullshit.

But Freyja herself is super cute and deserves to win.

>>144375926
If she cut her hair short she would pass off as a Kaname.

>>144375926
>>144375945
Not over yet. I get the feeling that this new sync with Freyja is going to be hurting Hayate and thats going to bring her back into the game.

>>144375970
how dare you insult kaname like that?!

>>144375926
>suffering

There's no chance in fuck Freyja can win this.

>>144375839
So she's basically Zessica.

>>144376251
>>144376290
Getting KGNE vibes here.

>>144376290
>There's no chance in fuck Freyja can win this.

...Well I guess they do say "Ignorance is bliss"

>>144376251
Dude didn't you watch Frontier? Freyja was suffering, thinking of the war as she sang, and Hayate felt her feelings. It's the same as Alto/Sheryl and how all three of the felt the Varja's pain through the song.

>>144376374
Na man its going way to well to early you should know this.

>>144376397
Maybe but the reaction seemed a bit to strong i'm betting we are going to get a him blacking out in the sky next time she sings.

>>144376415
Not if Freja gets kidnapped next episode.

>>144376397
The vajra suffered the most that's why Alto ended up with the vajra queen. Sheryl can fuck off into coma, Kawamori agreed, don't bother him.

>>144376488
can both happen she gets kidnapped cause he passes out while she is singing and can't protect her.

>>144375926
I want to make her smile

>>144376461
>seemed a bit to strong
I remember Alto falling to his knees and cringing and shit with Sheryl's feelings. Though Alto did get too immersed in his roles.

>>144373374
Because she's a tragic misunderstood outcast. They all think she chooses to be alone and detached, when in reality she just doesn't know how to intergrate with normal people.

>>144375926
>the genki vapid retard beats out the real best girl just because she's quiet and not literally autistic
ya blew it haya-haya

>>144376668
true but that was the pain of death and such that they got hit with not just a girl singing about her homesickness. I think we are going to get a wedge made by their sync and mirage will try to break them up to protect hayate.

>>144373271
No, it's just showing Freyja is mind-controlling him. The power of the mind-control/emotion manipulation has always been the power of the Wind-Singer, the ruins just amplifies it. Since Hayate has a fold crystal, which acts as a direct conduit, she's been subconsciously influencing his thoughts and emotions.

>>144376415
Not really know. Just because Hayate "realized" his feelings for Freyja doesn't exactly mean he'll act upon them in the first place. And if you want to go ahead and say "too early", then by all mean Alto/Sheryl wouldve never happened. That shit was obvious since like pre-historic times.

Plus it'd make sense for the triangle to be resolved before the whole fighting goes down, specially since it's "faint" so a quick solution seems very viable.

We'll see though. However I'm not really expecting for Mirage to pull through. She's got so many things against her. First off that Hayate has already awakened to his feelings for Freyja, the intensity of HayaFre's relationship, then that her character development is severely lacking, Hayate only seeing her as a friend, and most of all, that we're finally heading into heavy plot driven episode (FUCKING FINALLY) so any time that we have would be considered a waste if it was geared towards the triangle. Not to mention that she already got 2 episodes that both had perfect chances for HayaMira to develop and yet nothing happened. If HayaMira was going to be a thing, staff would've made their move by now.

Anyone's free to keep hope though. Just for the love of god don't be all "shitty writing! bad bad bad!"

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>>144376753
>No, it's just showing Freyja is mind-controlling him. The power of the mind-control/emotion manipulation has always been the power of the Wind-Singer, the ruins just amplifies it. Since Hayate has a fold crystal, which acts as a direct conduit, she's been subconsciously influencing his thoughts and emotions.

>>144376696
This. I'd say she's more ridiculous than tragic because of her constant theatricality though. She's almost on the level of Gilgamesh, I can't take her seriously.

>>144376746
No man I meant when he put on her earrings and almost became a little girl. No Vajra.

>>144372609
Objective best singers ranking:

1.Mikumo
2.Freyja
3. Reina
4.Kaname
5.Nasally bitch

>>144376374
Freyja is peaking out way too early

>>144372609
>everyone's already forgotten about cute fish girl who's probably dead
what the fuck

>>144376895
Like Sheryl did in Star Date?

>>144376832
Ever since Macross 7, we know that it is entirely possible to focus singer's emotions into an energy that can affect other people. Frontier shows an entire species that can be affected by someone's voice. Time and time again, we've seen how Freyja's singing had affected Hayate and how Heinz was able to mind-control other people with his voice. It's pretty much a requirement to have some sort of dramatic twist in regards to the uniqueness of Freyja and the other Wind-Singer's singing. It's like anime-cliche plot #17 or something.

>>144377000
>bringing up Sheryl

That's so unfair

>>144376774
>then by all mean Alto/Sheryl wouldve never happened. That shit was obvious since like pre-historic times.
How long has it been since you actually watched Frontier? For most of the first quarter or so of the series Sheryl was mostly just tsun, while Ranka was the most actively engaged with Alto, Sheryl didn't start seriously gaining ground till she was dieing from disease, even then it took 2 movies before we actually got a "winner" in Frontier.

>>144376746
>true but that was the pain of death and such that they got hit with not just a girl singing about her homesickness. I think we are going to get a wedge made by their sync and mirage will try to break them up to protect hayate.

Severely doubt it. A lot of you are saying that Freyja is VAR'ing/mind controlling him but have you already forgotten that Hayate is immune to it because of his fold waves?

But what will happen is that Freyja will be unavailable to sing for Hayate thus where the VA's "Hayate is useless without Freyja" come into play.

>>144376838
Yeah, but I always thought her theatrics were just compensation for her lack of social skills and insecurities. That or she's literally a 500,000 year old protoculture and she's actually just holier than the rest of them.

>>144377137
To be fair, it's all but obvious that Sheryl should have won in the TV run as she's basically gotten a ridiculous amount of screentime and relationship development with Alto in the 2nd half. The whole sky-ending was a cop-out.

>>144377162
yea thats why i brought up the whole he starts blacking out thing every time they sync there has to be some bad factor there for it to make may kind of impact.

>>144372609
The new ED is fucking great. Mikumo sounds dick-diamonds in it.

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>>144377137
>For most of the first quarter or so of the series Sheryl was mostly just tsun

>mirage will lose

i knew it all along

why does japan always have such shit taste

>>144377323
She's totally winning this.

>>144377271
Is there a good release of it yet?

>>144377253
It's not inherently bad. Freyja was feeling bad, so he did too, just like what happened in Frontier. This is basic math.

>>144377253
>he starts blacking out thing every time they sync there has to be some bad factor there for it to make may kind of impact

He's never blacked out before. And this time it wasnt any of the like either. It was just him being able to feel Freyja's feelings of desperation, loneliness and fear for what might happen to Windermere. We already know that the same thing happened with Alto/Sheryl because of her earring. You guys are putting too much thought into this.

But hey, I'm not saying you're wrong. All I'm saying is that it's something we've already seen before. It's fun to speculate though so there's no harm in that.

>>144377221
It's weird because usually insecurities and social anxiety are used to provide comic relief, but instead the direction actually treats her like that holier than thou goddess. Probably has to do with that whole idol culture I don't get.

>>144377395
Wouldn't that mean when Freyja is feeling love when she looks at Hayate, Hayate would feel like he's in love too?

>>144377301
Wow, she's butt ugly off model in this shot.

>>144377461
>treats her like that holier than thou goddess.
I think it's pretty common for people with the mindset to try and make up for usual interaction with trying to "impress" people through various means. I'm sure there's some specific complex about people with insecurities and low understanding of others having inflated egos.

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Either this is a disturbingly derp moment, it looks like something's up with Freyja. She's sweating and looks like she's trying to keep it together with a fake smile. The title implies something happens on stage, too. Maybe the stronger connection will let Hayate feel what's wrong with her.

>>144377536
>Wouldn't that mean when Freyja is feeling love when she looks at Hayate, Hayate would feel like he's in love too?

I can't even with you people anymore

>>144377536
No, it only happens when she sings, and not all the time at that. Hayate had his moment of realization when they were both silent.

>>144375926
Who was this again?

>>144377536
Everyone on Frontier was able to differentiate their own feelings from the ones they were receiving so I don't think so

>>144377367

>>144377611
I think it's possible that Freyja takes her resolution to sing to save the windies a bit too far and she overworks herself, thus why she's sweating like mad. Maybe she'll faint on stage and hayate's face is MUH FREYJA WHAT HAS HAPPENED

>>144377753
Nobody important

>>144375926
It's ok Mirage. Eventually you'll realize it's more that you want to be like Hayate than that you want to be with Hayate.

>>144377541
That's not even close to the worst of it. Lots of Quality in Frontier TV.

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>>144377611
Pretty safe to assume she's a natural wind singer and probably more talented than Heinz. She starting to subconsciously effect people with her song. She got the perpetual drifter Hayate to suddenly follow her around and promise to protect her.

>>144372609
So why does mirage have elf ears when neither of her parents do

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>>144377367

>>144377921
At some point it was decided that elf ears were cuter than Zentradi ears so only the male Zentradi kept the original style.

Also do we know what either of her parents look like?

>>144377918
>She starting to subconsciously effect people with her song.
She already affected him before she sang, though, with her determination and shit about finding what you love instead of drifting. Besides Hayate is immune to Var mindcontrol and this is the first time her feelings got transmitted to him directly, instead of just windbuffing him. Also >>144377765

>>144378150
Weren't they both MCs from the very early Macross shows?

>>144378339
Max and Millia are her grandparents not her parents.

>>144377769
>>144377932
Mirage´s confused half-glances, feelings of inadequacy and troublesome emotions she`s never felt before are obviously setting her up for a rebound. You should be able to see this coming a mile away, with Freyja peaking out so early. She´s suffering now and that makes her the eventual victor.

>She lets him touch her rune
>They don't immediately go down on each other

Mirage confirmed for winner.
>Freyja is middle aged now
she'll be dead soon

>>144378207
Are we sure he's immune to mind-control or is it that Freyja's mind-control simply over-rode Heinz's?

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Freyja Wion is Kawamori's gift to humanity.

>>144377765
Yes, but this is a Wind-Singer, who gets a massive boost to their power from being from Windermere. Freyja doesn't have any formal training as a Wind-Singer, so if she was using it without realizing it, then who would know?

>>144378495
His fold receptors mean he can't be Var'd. Did you pay attention to the previous episodes?

>>144378393
>feelings of inadequacy and troublesome emotions she`s never felt before are obviously setting her up for a rebound
>obviously setting her up for a rebound

now i cant even tell if you seriously support mirage or what youre thinking

Freyja is a Christmas cake now, who will ever marry an old hag?

>>144372609
Wait one fucking second - Mikomo's VA and singer are different? Muh fucking immersion

>>144378629
But we've seen his fold receptors. It was incredibly low until he sync'd up with Freyja through the fold crystal. I mean, if he had ever removed his fold crystal while Heinz was singing and he was immune, I would immediately concede on my point, but he never does. Nevermind the fact that it's still a fold crystal. It has to be plot important.

>Miragefags complaining about Freyja being too important
>Miragefags now wanting Freyja to be a BAMF OP windsinger who is mindcrontolling hayate so that Mirage can separate them and weasel her way into hayate's heart
>Miragefags will then complain that Freyja being a windsinger is giving her too much importance
>Miragefags attack Freyja with "she's such a mary sue! gosh! you've stolen everything from mirage and now you're a windsinger to boot?!"
>cycle never ends

>>144378665
Think of it this way: Hayate is Mirage´s prize at the end of her journey of self-discovery.

>>144378766
It has never been stated that Hayate has low fold receptors. In fact, Arad told him he had the same capabilities as Walkure "Hayate, you are also one such person". Crystal or not, Hayate is still immune.

>>144377611
Will this be the first time in anime history when they address the issue of menopause?

>>144376251
>I get the feeling that this new sync with Freyja is going to be hurting Hayate
>this desperation
He felt the pangs of her homesickness you sperg. It's the same 'sync'. Shit doesn't just change.

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>>144377896
Quality Ranka is the best Ranka, though.

>>144379018
I fucking love this song.

When Mirage loses she's going to get BLACKED by Chuck isn't she?

>>144378717
>using relativism
She's still physically and mentally 15. Just because she dies at thirty doesn't some how make her a pseudo 40 year old.

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Hayate's been thinking about hitting that Hoina since episode 9. Look at all that lust in his eyes.

Hayate, you pervert.

>>144378624
So? The only instance of mind-control via singing is through Var, what Freyja and the others do is actually prevent it, and Hayate's immune to it.

Hayate's ability to sense her feelings is an entirely different and already documented phenomenon.

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>mirage sleep /fa/
My dick can only get so hard. Too bad there wasn't a decent fullbody shot.

>>144378925
He was told that was after he had sync'd up with Freyja though. We've even seen the sync chart where Hayate was extremely low before suddenly boosting a huge chunk when Freyja started singing. Look, after watching so many anime, it's almost a given that the fold crystal is a plot device. It's just too much of a coincidence to rub it off as a red herring.

>>144379338
Sleeper, not sleep

>>144379347
Can you post an image of said synch chart where Hayate's fold receptors are low? Because I remember no such thing.

Miragefags are totally delusional. I bet by the second-last episode they'll still be saying she'll rebound.

>>144372609
>>144372682
So Mirage is gonna win the love race but they are gonna make her suffer for it, uh?

Kind of hate when that happens as is often a cheap resource tovictory, but looks like we are on the train already.

Gotta keep focused in the final objective as the storms and worse begin to come.

>>144379284
Var syndrome itself is a byproduct of the Vajra leaving the galaxy as they were keeping the fold bacteria in check through their presence. Everyone is technically infected, the apple and water just jumpstarts its growth. Why do you think Windermere is now capable of affecting everyone in the galaxy now?

>>144374362
Shitty writing is shitty writing.

>>144376753
KAWAMORIIIIIII

>>144379443
>s-she's gonna win
>Freyja is t-too early
Yeah it's not like other characters dominated their respective Macross series. And no, before you start Mirage is not a Misa. Misa wasn't even romantic until way later.

>>144379452
That's quite the twisting of information to your convenience you've got there buddy. While it is true that people who were fed the infected apples and water, people with fold receptors will still be immune to it because their body automatically deflects the effects.

>>144379347
Of course it's a plot device. The purpose is to boost the resonance so Hayate gits gud, and probably more father drama shit. He's just not being Var'd or mind-controlled.

>>144379452
Again, so? What does this have to do with Hayate being immune to Var mindcontrol?

>>144379609
And I keep telling you, that fold crystal has something to do with it. Everything about it is screaming plot device. Just like how much of a coincidence that Hayate's father is a pilot, how a human is on Windermere to give Freyja an mp3 player, how a NUNS pilot had dropped the nuke, how one of the last thing that Hayate received from his father was said fold crystal. It's too much of a coincidence to simply say the fold crystal is doing nothing to him.

I'm so done with Miragefags.

First you say Mirage will win because of past Macross flags.
Then you say Mirage will win because Freyja is going to die.
Then you say Mirage will win because she's Misa 2.0
Then you say Mirage will win because she's taking a beating down to then deserve Hayate's pity love
Then you say Mirage will win because Freyja is mind controlling Hayate through VAR and youre conveniently choosing to forget that Hayate is immune to VAR thanks to him having fold receptors

>she gets erect in public, doesn't even try to hid it
>he touches her erection in front of everybody
L E W D
E
W
D

>>144376891
You listed Kaname twice.

>music player guy wasn't Basara
>Mikumo probably isn't a Protodeviln
They're burning down so many potential M7 links. I bet next they're going to reveal that Lady M is someone completely new and unrelated.

>>144379717
Oh god-damnit, I'm not even a Mirage-fan. I am saying that after all the coincidences, plot contrivances and fore-shadowing that been thrown at us, it is almost an inevitability that Freyja's singing, the fold crystal, the mind-control, Hayate's boost, are all related. Because that's how anime plot usually goes. You have to be incredibly naive to believe the fold crystal is nothing more than a simple power-up device.

>>144379809
Why would she be a Protodeviln? Links mean nothing if they're nonsensical

Thank you, Macross Delta, for reminding me how the tears of jealously and unrequited love are the sweetest wine.

Realistically speaking, odds Freyja survives till the end?

>>144379717
They're pretty desperate. I would be too if all worldly hope left me.

>>144379709
>And I keep telling you, that fold crystal has something to do with it. Everything about it is screaming plot device. Just like how much of a coincidence that Hayate's father is a pilot, how a human is on Windermere to give Freyja an mp3 player, how a NUNS pilot had dropped the nuke, how one of the last thing that Hayate received from his father was said fold crystal. It's too much of a coincidence to simply say the fold crystal is doing nothing to him.

Ok, I'm gonna throw you a bone because you've pretty much just hanged yourself if you're a Mirage supporter.

All of those things you just described? It's called binding two character's fate together. All of that is circumnstances binding Hayate and Freyja to each other. It's the whole "fate brought us together for a purpose" thing. Pretty much a deciding romantic flag.

The fold crystal is just a fold crystal. It's only purpose is to help transmit fold waves. That's it. We've already seen this in Frontier. It's nothing new and it's nothing bad.

>>144379602
Never heard a Mirage - Misa comparison.

Seriously, expecting Freyja to win is like expecting that the Windermere kingdom will conquer the galaxy: it will not happen.
Both factions are winning right now because narrative and drama. That's it.
At the end Windermere will be defeated and Hayate will leave Freyja for Mirage.

>>144379862
>there's no other logical way for the narrative to go OTHER than Hayate being mind controlled
This is what Macross threads are now

>>144379281
I really like Freyja's face when she in love.

>>144379862
Of course it's related! It's called binding two character's fate by circumstances. What is throwing me off is that you're all trying to make this whole fold crystal/resonance thing into something bad when we already know that the fold crystal does no such thing. Frontier has already brought this up.

>>144379980
It was all over the place last night.

>>144380000
Quints of truth

>>144380000
WITNESSED

>>144379919
>Realistically speaking, odds Freyja survives till the end?

100% because she's the female MC, cash cow of Delta, fanfavorite and part of Walkure.

Freyja won't die. This whole Freyja will die thing was only started because Miragefags need her to die in order for Mirage to have a chance in the Hayatebowl

>>144379993
I screencapped your post and I'll post it along with other delusional Miragefag posts when Freyja wins.

>>144379919
50/50. There's a good chance she'll die in the last episode. This doesn't change how likely she is to win the bowl though.

>>144380000
>>144380035
Because that's what would cause the most drama when the twist is revealed. Because having people questions their feelings for one another is real or not is too much of a drama-fest to pass up. Because having Hayate question himself if he's doing it for himself because he genuinely loves Freyja or if it's all a lie, is exactly the kind of thing that gets people and shippers go 'Holy shit'. It's basically how to finish off the chain of domino of reveals that starts with Hayate's father nuking everyone. I can honestly care less about the ship, all I'm caring about is the vast amount of potential this reveal will have on the characters and the plot.

>>144380152
God bless you young man, you are truly doing the Lords work.

I look forward to all those Miragefag delusion posts when GoriGori wins the bowl.

I can't fucking wait. I'm so excited.

>>144380152
Go ahead.
You know I'm right.
If for some improbable and very impossible twist of fate Freyja wins I'm going to eat a Mirage poster.

>>144380274
The only thing Wion is going to win is an early ticket to the grave.

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Mirage is cute.

>>144373136
THAT CLIMAX FACE THOUGH... Miragefags on suicide watch.

Is it just me or is Freyja's song from ep 16 the best insert song so far?

>>144380262
>Because that's what would cause the most drama when the twist is revealed. Because having people questions their feelings for one another is real or not is too much of a drama-fest to pass up. Because having Hayate question himself if he's doing it for himself because he genuinely loves Freyja or if it's all a lie, is exactly the kind of thing that gets people and shippers go 'Holy shit'

I could see your point IF Delta were solely a romantic anime with it revolving around love, feelings and emotional drama. But it's not. Besides, it's a PALE triangle meaning it won't delve too much into that side of things. Once Hayate's feelings are set, it's all smooth sailing from there.

Hayate is not being mind controlled by the crystal and that's my final stance. However, I respect your opinion and theory no matter how senseless it is to me. We'll just have to wait it out and see.

>>144380378
YESU

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>>144380334
Here you go senpai. Hopefully this helps the the butthurt a bit.

>>144380262
>I don't care who gets with who
>except I think these two need to get with each other to maximise narrative tension
Kek, mirage, please

>>144379993
It's like you weren't here a few weeks ago with that plane scene.

RIP Mirage

This episode seals the deal for Frejya. Mirage is dead. Miragefags are confirmed delusional if they think she has even a sliver of chance.

>>144380450
I respect your opinion on that it's true love and what-not, but after watching so many anime, I am almost certain they will try to pull this because this is what causes the most drama and excitement within the fanbase. People loves to see people suffer, it apparently builds character. I mean, if I was the one writing it, I know I would try to pull this kind of shit because people's mind will be blown by this revelation. But as you said, we will just have to wait and see.

>>144380575
>This episode
>Episode 16 of 24/26

>>144380262
That's retarded and goes against established lore. There's enough drama with her lifespan and the 99% possibility that his dad nuked her planet.

>>144380507
>unioronically saying butthurt
>epic relevant image
Frejyafags, everyone.

>>144380604
>delusional miragefag

at this point i'm going to pretend you guys don't even exist

the level of delusion that's going in your minds is enough to create a whole deculture and a half

>>144380646
>LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Classic Freyjafag

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>>144379709
The fold crystal is doing something to him. It's doing this.

The mind control is moot since he's immune.

>>144380423
Which one? If you mean god bless you, yeah the lyrics are very comfy.

>>144380606
Hayate's dad nuking the planet is so damn obvious that it's barely worth noting. There's no tension for it, it's all 'I knew it' when it's revealed. The fanbase wouldn't be excited for such a poor 'revelation'.

>>144379919

I'd give her a pretty good chance to survive, even though she is raising some flags. I'm getting some TTGL Nia vibes from her, and that kind of ending would be the most powerful way to finish the show, but honestly I think Kawamori is too much of an idolfag to kill her off.

>>144380671
>>144380604
>pretending the length of the series changes the outcome as presented right now
First Mirage couldn't lose because of the Macross formula and now it's because Freyja beat her but TOO early. You keep changing the rules friendo.

I want to marry Mirage

>>144380423
It was nice for the scene, but it's not that great as a standalone. Stuff like Walkure Attack, Neomemes and even the new ED top it easily.

>>144372682
why is her rune so huge in that pic,

>>144380734
>nia vibes
This basically. Best girl. Connected to the enemy. Wins. Dies happy.

>>144380671
>being this retarded

this is like mirage level social retardation

Do you remember Kannazuki no Miko, right?
Soma was winning hard at the beginning. And guess what? Chikane won at the very last moment.
In the same way Mirage will prevail!

>>144380756
Good news anon; she's single. At least you won't have to compete with Hayate given how busy he is with Freyja.

>>144380808
Kawamori isn't Gainax

Freyja won't die and if she does it will be in the movies

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>>144380641
I never could take you Miragefags seriously anyway.

>>144380829
Soma was never winning. Ever. What the hell were you watching to think otherwise?

>>144380715
But it's going to cause more than enough drama with the characters. Don't forget there's still a war and protoculture plot to focus on.

Freyja randomly mindcontrolling people would shit on everything that's already been established in Delta AND Frontier, a twist for the sake of a twist that make no sense.

What are the chances that they will step up the feels by killing mirage?

>>144373342
it was done really well, I can't think of another anime that does it better with out some kind of life or death, rescue , etc.

>>144380848
Oh I get it now, all the Freyjafags are corssboarders and newfags.

>>144380888
>Yes they will keep Delta Platoon down to just Chuck and Hayate because Arad scored a giant deathflag

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Her suffering can't be worse than Zessica, r..right?

>>144379919
99.9%

>idol
>MC
>most popular
>sells merch
She's the breakout character. I thought I'd be Mikumo at first but everyone in Japan loves Freyja.

>>144380888
Basically zero for now. Nobody cares about her. She needs development. Maybe some arc to tie her more deeply into the conflict than 'I want to fly better'. If she can do that then she can die.
Otherwise at this stage, Arad, Mikumo and Kaname all have more weight to their deaths.
Mirage is Chuck-tier but with a light romantic sub-plot

>>144380958
Mikumo is 100x better I don't give a fuck what anyone says

>>144379919
If Kawamori feels like it.

>>144373765
at this point ,even if Mirage let Hayate touch her body parts, it will still be tough to beat that Rune touching moment .

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>can't even hold a casual conversation if it's not about Freyja
This is a terrible romance.

>>144381010
I'm glad you don't because I'm here to tell you that Mikumo is a haughty bitch.

>>144380958
>he thinks they alter scripts based on random nip polls
>he thinks the script wasn't pre determined and greenlit likely months ago
do you guys understand how production works at all

>2016
>doubting Kawamori to change his formula
>expecting Kawamori not to give out the trolliest ending out there

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>>144381010
Excellent taste, anon.

>>144381035
>even if Mirage let Hayate touch her body parts
She pressed her boobs against his back. He didn't care.

>>144381052
She's autistic and makes up for it by trying to look cool. Leave her alone!

>thinking anything is 100% certain

Neither have actually confessed anything at this point. Hayate has even expressed he doesn't know how he feels about Freyja. It could go as obvious as it looks. Or it could be setting up a sucker punch with Hayate realizing he loves Freyja like the cute imouto he always wanted. Either way you're all stupid.

>>144381044
It's as expected. There hasn't been even one scene in their 'romance' that hasn't been about Freyja or with Freyja actually present in the scene.
Feels good.

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>>144381063
It's already too late anon, these flags are the only hope left for Miragefags

>>144380885
You have to remember that the target demographic for this anime isn't for girls. Shoujo-esqe drama isn't what captivates people, it's the 'shocking twists' that gets them excited.

As for shitting on everything that's been established, you just have to remember, Windermere people are the last experiment by the Protoculture so their singing could have a different effect versus other races, nevermind the fact that Ranka was able to control the Vajra with her singing.

However, the mind-control theory would force Hayate and Freyja to confront their feelings, as well as established Mirage as the bro, as she could slap him and berate him for even thinking his feelings for Freyja was all a lie. It just has so many potential in how it gets resolved.

I'm more worried about Kaname. I hope she gets some mature man dick.

>>144381052
She just wanted to have a birthday

>>144381053
>he thinks they didn't bank on her being popular from the start
All that merch didn't come out of thin air. They wanted Japan to love her.

>>144381077
Unless her tits can glow and move on their own anything less will be a disappointment at this stage.

>>144375945
The main problem here is making an underdeveloped character as part of the triangle which is a pretty unfair move for her. It's like the writers not giving her any intimate development with the MC and suddenly kick her out of the love zone. It's like what the check just happened when you see mirage cried watching at them having sweet moments with each other. It makes you wanna root for her more due to how the writers treatrd her.

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>>144381118
NO

>>144381131
So she stole someone else's? Had she also never had a funeral before? Because she was determined to steal the spotlight there too.

>>144372609
If I started with Delta and then moved on to Macross F, how retarded would that make me?

>>144381189
Don't tell me people still believe that Messer had any romantic feelings towards Kaname.
He just wast grateful that she saved his life and that's it.

>>144381110
Freyja hasn't sung MBIAP yet but if we're comparing her to Lyn Minmay then it makes sense

>>144381211
We need a psychology fag to come in and explain the thing where people do this sort of shit because they're aspergers and insecure and unsure of how to act around people.

>>144381110
>establish that this series will be doing things differently
>they're literally just inverting the usual flags
You're writing your own death sentence, friend. Prepare you rune for a complete subversion of standard Macross.

>>144381211
How did she steal the spotlight? All she did was initiate the birsuday song. If anyone stole the moment it was Hayate.

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>>144381265
>Implying he wasn't furiously fapping to Kaname photos in his room everyday after work.

You're underestimating the lust of men. He wasn't really open about himself afterall.

>>144381112
Boys have brains too anon. They know when a twist makes sense and when it's pure retardation.

The fold crystal you're so hung up about isn't new to Windermere. It's an old device that displays the exact same effects between Freyja/Hayate and Alto/Sheryl. And you twist goes against the lore in Delta that Hayate is immune because of his fold receptors. And Walkure is all about preventing mind control.

It's just too dumb.

>>144381307
Aspergers no longer exists.
T. psychfag
I still think she's a haughty bitch too.

>>144381340
>that slight upskirt
I desperately need a collage of all their idol outfits

>>144373342
so did genki girl finally win one?

>>144381185
It was stacked against the Mirage since the start since Freyja is required to get a lot more screentime and character development since she's the up-and-coming idol and they increased the number of songs they're pushing. If Mirage was also a singer or Hayate wasn't required to get the boost from Freyja's singing, she might had a chance, but unfortunately, she just doesn't. Her last best chance was post Messer's death, but since they just gave Hayate his old plane and went full fold boost on Freyja's singing, it was over. Mirage no longer had any plot-related stuff to shine in anymore.

>Arad not smiling nor singing happy birthday

Nuke the Windermere people confirmed

>>144381340
>"Oh yes baby give me that axia hmmmmgggffffff"

>>144381336
>gives her exactly what she wants and makes her birthday special
>sits back for the most part until his turn for presents
>even lets her enjoy the snow by herself for awhile not saying anything until Arad talks to him
Yeah he's a real attention whore.

>>144381365
forgot to say a good psychfag

>>144381259
Not very.

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>>144381403
She will be the first one in any of Kawamori's works.

>>144381434
But it doesn't exist. The DSM has been out long enough for you to read it. You can't just read one addition and stop there. If you don't buy the new stuff how can they keep making cash?

>>144381365
renaming it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, anon
"Autism spectrum disorder" is just the new name for aspergers, so they can count it as autism, even though it's not (and all signs actually point to it being more environmental capitalizing on biological tendencies than straight biological)

>>144381185
>It makes you wanna root for her more due to how the writers treated her.
That's exactly what the director wanted. The thing is, they're not going to make it better by having her win, but by making her happy in another way, most probably by fixing her pilot/family problems.

>>144381430
Conversely:
>initiates a happy birthday song
yeah what a fucking bitch

>>144381359
Except this is Macross we're talking about here. We've had our share of retarded twists already that was handwave off with some random Protoculture/fold-related excuse. As I said and agreed to the other anon, we'll just have to wait and see, although past experiences relating to such anime cliches will eventually vindicate these posts of mine.

>>144381480
I think you know very well I was just using aspergers as a blanket term for general social ineptness/low EQ, fagboy.

>>144381455
oh, so it hasn't happened yet?
how many eps left?
My wife and I want to watch this show, but since none of the streaming sites picked it up, I'll have to get the BDs.
But I don't know how many BDs I am signing on for this.

>>144372609
rip mirage, you're still cute to me

>>144381513
>walks in late (unlike Hayate who had an excuse)
>doesn't bring a present
>talks about her own birthday
>explains why she would show up
>basically says nothing that isn't about herself
>starts singing out of no where and solo because MUH HEAD IDORU
>everyone else sort of goes: oh so we're singing happy birthday then and joins in after she sets pace
>doesn't do anything else after that
Yeah she's the gift that keeps on giving.

>>144381549
That's funny, given that it isn't a general term and never really was. Why ask for a psychfag if you just want arm chair shit and anecdotal perspectives, friendo?

So will "angato" join the hall of Freyjaisms?
>Hoina
>Gorigori
>Ap'ju
>Angato
What else?

>>144381403
>genki
>finally win

Not even in 10,000 years

>>144379919
Her death will boost sales. She's a goner.

>>144381648
She has very weird accent if you knew moon. It's like hearing the scottish talk english.

>>144381102
Why are people rooting for Mirage to win the bowl? Hayate and Freyja are cute and have a great relationship full of fun and bantz. Freyja gave Hayate his damn sky.

On the other hand a boy isn't going to make Mirage's issues go away, and that's what her character needs to improve. Either she finally makes peace with her skill level compared to her family's legacy or she steps up and improves.

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Would you suck his dick?

Be honest.

>>144381546
>We've had our share of retarded twists already that was handwave off with some random Protoculture/fold-related excuse
So, it's just that you WANT a bad plot twist for the hell of it? Ok then.

>freyja dies
>mirage wins
>the resulting butthurt destroys delta sales
>the sponsers tell Kawamori to never do another love triangle ever again

Just as planned

>>144381689
Well, I don't and it only makes her sound cute.

>>144381636
Autism, aspergers, it all means a similar thing for lay people/on 4chan. Why are you trying to look intelligent by debating the minutia of my totally unimportant choice of definition. Even now you're still doing it even though I explained my intention when I used the term.

>>144381594
I think the fact that she went to the party and even started the song shows that she's really, really warming to Freyja.

>>144381560
Two-cour series. So 24-26. We are at 16 now.
It's looking like 3 Eps per BD, so I would wager 8, unless they change it up. I would guess the worst count would be 11 or 12, but seeing as the first BD had 3 and has extras, I would wager 8 or 9, pending if it's 24 or 26. I will buy them all regardless. Also >not using subs

>>144381717
I'd suck Freyas rune dick

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>>144381690
>her character needs to improve.
As Miragefag that's what I've been waiting for 16 fucking episodes and Kawamori doesn't deliver. Damn bastard.

>>144381748
>ask for a psychfag
>fuck off with your definitions, y-you're just trying to look smart
Are you for fucking real?

As for why certain people lust for attention, there are any number of reasons. Such a nebulous behaviour isn't simply explained just because they 'are socially awkward'.

>>144381741
Even better
Freyja apparently survives the final battle...
Then a confused, jealous Mirage shots and kills her in a moment of rage
She lies to everyone, telling them that Freyja took an enemy bullet for her or something
We have a bittersweet ending where Hayate marries Mirage, but clearly the guild is eating her from the inside, keeping her from attaching true happiness.

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Just let her win by the end of this. I want to believe this episode was enough to set her victory in stone but with how many episodes are left, there is a need for caution.

>>144381782
I use subs
I just pay for my subs because I support the anime I like.
But holy crap, 8 BDs, that's outrageous. I guess I'll just have to wait until a good deal happens.

>>144381719
>notthisshitagain
You know what, fine. This chain of posts has gotten long enough already and I'm tired of explaining myself. Yes, I want a bad plot twist for the hell of it. Because bad plot twist is what will cause the most drama out of everyone within the anime and make the fanbase go 'Oh shit!'.

>>144381782
I want to see a Delta doujin with a runejob.

>>144381805
Perhaps it's her heartbreak that will jumpstart it?
>Mirage too sad over her loss to pilot as she normally does
>takes out her frustration on enemies without thinking for once
>holy shit did you see Mirage shoot all those Windies down
>new piloting technique unlocked

>>144381762
That's like a serial killer sparring a victim but killing their family. It's nice and they DO care but it doesn't stop them being monstrous.
Of course Mikumo isn't malicious but she is haughty and she is certainly a bitch when she isn't getting her way (see all her chastising of Freyja). It's a nice thing she did relative to what she usually does and she still cares but her character hasn't reformed overnight.

>>144381874
Kek. It's not our fault what you want is dumb nonsense.

Freyja Wion? More like Freyja WIN, am I right?

>>144381873
8 Is pretty good for a two cour, sir. Most shows give you the finger and do 2 per BD. It's often 7 BDs for a 13 episode series. If you wanted a bang for your buck on an import, this one is it. I've imported a few series and wish I could import more, so I understand your plight. I'm going for the shop bonuses and hope my buddy gets a Frey Frey clock for me.

>>144381882
Only if she pants with guris

>>144381873
Is this the first anime you watch? Because you sound like one.

>>144381840
I asked for a psychfag to explain the phenomenon I was trying to poorly explain, mate, not talk about whether asperger's syndrome was still a thing. Christ. I'm slightly triggered because you decided to harp on my loose use of terms even though my general question was pretty clear.

You also said you still thought she was a haughty bitch when you said you were a psychfag, which would imply you'd taken into account other factors of her personality and actions to reach that conclusion. Why do you think she's just a stuck up fag and not something else?

>>144382042
>not Freyja won
Work with the phonetics

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Kinda looks like he came.

How's this for a dumb plot twist?
Freyja will die from singing in episode 23 or 24 for whatever reason and Hayate will travel back to the past because of some protoculture tech backlash and see what really happened 7 years ago.
Hayate will meet a loli Freyja and it will be revealed it was he gave her the music player and doomed her to die at the young age of 15, and this will be why the music player had Walkure music on it.

Can somebody please think of Macross 7?

>>144381945
She isn't "evil" or "haughty".
She just doesn't know how to deal with people; she clearly isn't even human.

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>>144382104
>you will never jump on the planet dance

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>>144382042
It's called Macross DELTA because Freyja is ACUTE

>>144381934
Nah, that ain't happening. If Mirage didn't 'get gud' post Messer death, she ain't getting good now.

Although I'm not sure why everyone is saying Mirage still has no chance even now. Saw enough k-drama to recognize that if Mirage goes 'I want Hayate to be happy' and supports Hayate courting Freyja in the background, she can still pull a victory when Hayate realizes how much Mirage means to him as she had been quietly supporting him in the background.

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>>144382042
Actually if you rearrange the letters in "Freyja Wion", you get "Freyja, I won."

>>144381717
Hell yeah I would. Wait, no. He's underage. I can't put my hands on him.

I do think he's the cutest Macross male MC though. Also the most likeable.

>>144382233
>17
>underage
California please.

>>144382153
Please don't remind me. ;_;

>>144382095
>Macross
>time traveling

Walkure already existed pre-old hag/doom bitch

>>144381847
Stop worrying so much and enjoy the moment. Right now that we're on top is when we should piss on the Miragefags, you fool. You're a disgrace to freyjafags everywhere.

>>144382208
I'd believe in Mirage's chances if Hayate was more neutral, but he's the biggest Freyjafag in the entire anime while not being aware of Mirage. Worse, unlike in SDF, Freyja likes him too and their relationship is beneficial to everybody.

This isn't counting meta shit like "pale triangle" and "Hayate is useless without Freyja" in episode 22.

>>144382080
For one, I genuinely don't know what phenomena you're talking about. I know general stuff but focus mostly on neurological. For two, personality psych is a minefield of shit given the contention between it and social psych around what explains behaviour. For three, we know little about her back story and being an interuptive attention seeker can be basically anything. She hasn't done enough to be considered to have a legitimate disorder and personality disorders are hard to calrify.

As to why I think she is a haughty bitch? She acts above everyone and chastises the rest of the walkure with impunity. She's a good singer but not that good and while kaname is the veteran she forces herself into that 'mentor' role. When Freyja is doing well she's supportive but the second she fucks up it's all: it was a mistake to hire you. Finally she HAS to make events about her or she's not interested as seen at the funeral and party.

>>144382311
Eh, Macross 30 had time-traveling of sorts.

>>144382233
>>144382262
He's 18 now.

>this thread
Miragefags are in full damage control.

>>144382262
Bitch i'm 24. Im not going after some still developing 17 year old penis.

>>144382146
Pretty much, when she does something nice like shows up to Messer's funeral or Freyja's birthday, she does it in a kind of jarring and awkward way.

>>144382326
Miragefags BTFO Freyja is gonna win the Hayatebowl get fucked Mirage worst girl can't wait to drink those Miragefag tears when Hayate and Freyja have a dozen Windemere half breeds etc, etc.

Happy?

>Frejya gets shot badly
>Mirage jumps in to save her and both of them gravely get injured
>Frejya's rune gets sliced off and buried in one of Mirage's wounds
>they manage to keep her alive but they don't notice the rune
>thanks to it, Mirage can now feel Walküre music like Frejya or Hayate and she becomes the top pilot
>Hayate falls for her because she pilots better than him

>>144382365
Nah, that's not how the usual k-drama stuff usual goes. The love interest usually shows zero affection toward the selfless MC as the MC quietly does everything they can to ensure his/her love interest hooks up with their crush. Once they are together, the two realizes they have too much in common and lack the spark. The love interest slowly beings to realize just how much the selfless MC had done for him/her and realizes how much the MC means to him/her.

>>144382527
JeusuiKawamori

>>144382368
>I genuinely don't know what phenomena you're talking about
My bad, I was more asking about whether there was one that might fit Mikumo based on what we know or can infer. That's all interesting, though. I guess I was stupid to assume that you could package up her personality into some neat category. I agree that she is indeed a haughty fuck, but I was thinking there'd be some SCIENCE way to vindicate her shit personality that involved some aspects of her psyche that are outside of her control, and tend to be contributing factors to those behaviours you mentioned.

>>14438252

Chill with the bath salts.

>>144380587
So you say it's good to see mirage suffer due to the muh love drama purposes?

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I need tens of macrosses fuck windameer up.
Make it happen.

>>144382853
>miragefags so flustered they have to post two pictures of her at a time in their image dumps

>>144382829
Well, if she gets more screentime and character growth after this episode, then sure.

>>144382912
stop it. youre killing me. kek

I think Mikumo is the prototype Windermerean who was left behind in some kind of suspended animation / cryogenic storage and Lady M found her by chance.
Her crazy hair is just a giant rune and she can't remember anything because all of that time frozen left her amnesiac.

>>144380378
Just replace those hands with black bars.

>>144376891
Makina is has the most childish voice

>>144382591
The problem with that is Freyja and Hayate clearly have the spark. And Hayate is just now starting to think on his feelings for Freyja, the "slowly realizing how much she means to him" part applies to them perfectly.

>>144376891
>the neostream they just inserted was altered to drown out her solo part
they know

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>>144383103
>>144380378

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Is Hayate confirmed for not giving a fuck?

>>144383251
It means all of ReiRei and Makimaki's prediction end up true.

>>144381655
>not 12,000 years
Anon please.

>>144383160
Well, I'll guess we'll see within the next few episodes. If Mirage starts acting all selfless and helps the two hook up by constantly putting herself on the line like buying tickets for the two, setting up meetings with the three of them and then not showing up herself, or volunteering for an important (and dangerous) mission in lieu of Hayate so he can go on a date, this all but guarantees Mirage will win the Hayate-bowl in the end, or at the very least, goes into the proper love triangle mode.

>>144383251
Yeah, basically. He's just not interested. They're work friends and that's it.

>>144381044
>Forcing mirage as part of the triangle.
>no romantic development for her
>expecting a love triangle.
Genius writing.

>>144383251
He literally ran off and abandoned her at the mall, he really doesn't give a fuck

>>144383318
That's an overall pathetic scenario. Mirage may be pathetic but she's not THAT pathetic.

Jesus christ. If you're going to support your ship at least do it in a way that you don't have to make your character seem even more pitiful to get a pity win.

>>144381102
<Why are we rooting for mirage?
She's forced to be part of triangle in the worst possible way

>>144383251
>abruptly gets up and runs away

Hayate truly has a way with women.

>>144383427
But anon, I'm not really supporting Mirage. I'm just saying that's how it usually goes in K-drama. That 'pathetic' selfless MC wins the bowl by throwing away their pride and feelings to help her/his love interest court someone else and said love interest realize how much the MC means to him/her through said selfless support. Besides, it's only episode 16. Someone wining the bowl this early is usually sign of something going not as planned in the remaining episodes.

>>144381594
>this mad
You honestly seem buttblasted. Does it hurt?

The party would have been shit without kumokumo's appearance. Don't you get that? Sure the party takes off again once Hayate gets there too, but they both contribute, you dipshit.

>>144383615
This isn't a k-drama, why are you going on about k-dramas?

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Yes!

>>144382094
He's literally watching a cute girl's erotic appendage.

>>144383558
Well, he fucking made it SNOW for a girl he might fancy so...yes, yes he does.

>>144383615
Yeah but Mirage is not the MC and there's no real focus on her.

>>144383735
Because I'm saying Mirage 'giving up now' doesn't mean she had lost the Hayate-bowl. There's still 8 episodes left. Having someone win this early is usually a bad sign for the supposed early winner. I'm just giving an example of how Mirage can still win after this episode. I mean, I've already said this in my initial post.

>>144383427
This is Macross-bro, Sheryl was probably the only time the character who won did so in a legit way, i.e. by actively pursuing her interest, every other triangle was basically a joke.

SDF: Misa was basically a consolation prize, since Hikaru only really fawned over Minmei, but at the end couldn't have her without basically ruining her.

Plus: Izamu won by default, outside of trying to save Myung at the end, he barely showed interest in her and generally acted like an ass, but Myung was always set on him so Guld was screwed from the jump.

7: Mylene somehow loses the triangle she was the fucking focus of, and which one party wasn't even fucking interested in, that takes some fucking skill.

Zero: Mao never had a chance on account of being underaged, and generally being almost a non-character.

The only show so far that had a legit triangle where both parties competed and had at least a decent chance wining the lead was Frontier.

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It's called SDF Macross because Seven Delta Frontier.

Also, that's how the sequel series are ranked from best to good.

>>144383856
Wasn't there an interview of sorts that said Mirage will get more important as the series reaches episode 22 or something? I mean, there's like 6 episodes until that point. Mirage stepping out of the triangle this early, no matter how weak it feels, doesn't quite feel like how Macross handles love triangles.

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>Hayate Dies

>>144383871
Not in Macross, where the winners have more often than not started strong, except in SDF where the point of Minmay/Hikaru was to grow apart, even discounting Misa's involvement.

You example is also discounting what's actually happening with the romance in Delta, which might as well be the HayaFre love story featuring Mirage's help sometimes.

>>144383871
The bowl is not yet decided but it might as well be. It's like 80-20 at this point with it falling in Freyja's favor.

I can understand your point but considering all the things that Mirage is up against, her continuing to pursue the bowl is just plain bullying and character degradation for her. The impact and intensity that Hayate/Freyja have is not something I can see Mirage coming close to, much less even surpassing.

For the sake of at least sparing Mirage, I hope the staff have her distance herself from all the triangle drama which is only hurting her and instead have her focus on her actual personal problems which she has done absolutely nothing to resolve in the last 16 episodes. We have Hayate and Freyja constantly jumping hurdles each episode and Mirage still can't get over hers more than 2/3 in to the story.

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#Pray4Mirage

Also, is that anon who said that the theory about Hayate's father could never be true still here? Not saying that the theory is confirmed or going to happen, just that they're wanting to make us think it's the case.

>>144383965
>Wasn't there an interview of sorts that said Mirage will get more important as the series reaches episode 22 or something? I mean, there's like 6 episodes until that point. Mirage stepping out of the triangle this early, no matter how weak it feels, doesn't quite feel like how Macross handles love triangles.

The interview said she was "going to act girlier". Idk about you but that hardly sounds like character development to me.

>>144383965
The only thing I heard about episode 22 is that Hayate needs Freyja or something

>>144383965
Not at all. There was one saying Hayate will notice how mature Freyja looks, changing the triangle dynamics, though. That happened now.

>>144384114
They turn out to be siblings.

>>144384064
By how it is right now, it's most likely going to be a semi-tragic sky ending. I don't see Hayate and Freyja staying together. I expect something akin to M:Zero. That's what Kawamori is into now. Not strictly sky. Worse than sky.

>>144384158
>mature
You mean lewd, right?

>>144384142
Yeah that's what I heard as well. That something very important happens in episode 22 and that Hayate is useless without Freyja. It's kind of what has led the majority of us to believe that Freyja will somehow be unavailable and that's where all the 2nd ED speculation/theories came in.

>>144384063
>>144384064
Just saying, this is way too early to have someone win the Hayate-bowl. I mean, there's 8 episodes left, this entire scenario feels 'off' like it's a giant setup for something.

>>144384064
>>I can understand your point but considering all the things that Mirage is up against, her continuing to pursue the bowl is just plain bullying and character degradation for her. The impact and intensity that Hayate/Freyja have is not something I can see Mirage coming close to, much less even surpassing.

In general it's because most of us have had the expectations of previous Macross titled drilled into us. We're expecting some sort of turn around that leads to an unexpected resolution to the triangle. The last Macross with triangle so one sidedly biased toward the female lead as Delta was probably Zero.

>>144384175
What do you think this is, Mr. Robot?

>>144384237
And Frontier. The TV run was basically all about Sheryl and while the movie fixed the screentime problem, it outright had Sheryl win. It was never fair for Ranka whatsoever.