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So why have these guys never fought each other? If they did how

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So why have these guys never fought each other? If they did how do you think it ended?

I mean considering Hisoka's boner for even moderately strong opponents shouldn't Illumi should be looking really tastey. A 95 out of what I can only believe is a 100 point scale where Hisoka is a 100 isn't something you see everyday.
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>>143430308
Does that mean Kuroro is at 130 or something like that ?
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>>143430308
Illumi is not a combat type.

He'd get his anus turned into the size of the euro tunnel by Hisoka.
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>>143430308
Hisoka thinks he's an 100 but he's probably a 75.
All that nigger does is kill mooks and weaklings but then gets raped to death by the only strong guy he faces.
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>>143430405
The top tier hunters, around four of the zodiacs to be precise, ranged from mid 70s to just about 90. Kuroro would probably be around Illumi's if not slightly higher. Though who knows how accurate Hisoka's measuring is.
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>>143430502
Now that I think about it has he ever faced a really strong match besides Lucifer? I can't think of any besides Razor and that was a team effort, plus it was a game and not a death-match.

Also how does Razor stack up against the rest of the 0.001 percent Übermensch? He was certainly hot shit in Greed Island, does that still hold true?
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>>143430640
Hisoka is a retard who thinks he's the strongest.

Chrollo wiped the floor with him, so he definitely has no chance against the Zodiacs.
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>>143430466
You don't have to be a combat oritented nen-user to spank the Clown's ass. Chrollo proved as much.
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>>143430733
it was 1v1 guys, I swear!
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>>143431114
You guys are worse than bible apologists.
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>>143431408
Anon, as much as i hate the bible and Hisoka it was clearly hinted that it was not 1 vs 1.
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>>143431114
It was though. he used other peoples abilities but the fight itself was a 1 v 1. This is coming from a Hisocuck.
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>>143431114
It was 1v1. Stop damage controlling.
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>>143431479
I might be a super retarded speedreader so don't take my word for it though.
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reminder that hisoka hit the opposite of an enhancer with the equivalent of a bowling ball and chrollo still didn't drop his book
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>>143430466
You are retarded
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>>143431408
Even Chrollo said that he czn fight with a team and All the hints are here. You do nothing other than denying it. How did he take the antenna? With Machi obviously, how did Hisoka manage to be so wrong about the puppet count the 2nd time? Why were those 3 ryodan who, coincidentally have these abilities watching? Chrollo trolled Hisoka and fooled him with his tactics because he didn't want to take risks.
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>>143430733
Chrollo is one of the strongest humans we've seen. The Zodiacs are overrated, the combat-oriented Spiders and Zoldyks outclass them.
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>>143430308
They are "friends". Even weirdos like Hisoka want at least one friend.
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>>143432672
No they don't.
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>>143432672
Don't false flag.
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>>143432305
>muh baseless speculation
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>>143430718

Phinks and the rest of the Ryodan with him got cautious as soon as they saw Razor.

Remember that everything we saw from him was just a "friendly" game, and he was fighting against a team featuring Hisoka, Bisky, Gon, and Killua with nothing but himself and his own nen beasts. Fucking Ging was the guy who actually captured him in the first place.

You'd have to be a fool to think of Razor as anything but a monster on-par with the big boys like Chrollo, Silva, etc.
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>>143434886
Don't forget Razor was sharing his aura with the whole island to maintain GI for the other players.
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>>143433424
Baseless? Did you read correctly? Chrollo is the one who talked about fighting as a team and there are multiple hints. If you have nothing to say fuck off.
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>>143435177
Just
let it
go
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>>143435177
Then he low do you explain him using all the abilities in front of Hisoka at the beginning of the match? He uses black voice, gallery fake, and sun and moon in the arena with no way for anyone to aid him.
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>>143435093
Stop with this bullshit he was at full power because Ging told him to do so. They never said it wastes his aura too. He is just responsible of emission spells. You think he's enough to support all these players. Razorfags...
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>>143435284
Don't forget Razor was sharing his aura with the whole island to maintain GI for the other players.
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So is it our hxh general or not?
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>>143435246
He used them to convince Hisoka. When he hid in the crowd and used an antenna. Machi retrieved it for him. At some point he returned Kortopi's abilities for the puppet, he did the rest himself. That's what I think. But it's possible that the elder was here because of the picture with a similar looking person though I am not convinced.
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>>143435488
Problem with that is the next chapter shows that even though he returned Shalnatk's power, without the phone he can't use his ability meaning that Chrollo couldn't have been giving commands to Shalnark during the match.

Machi is the only plausible one but even then Chrollo could have just used an actual wire or stolen her ability as well.
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>>143435351
No. His aura was used to create emitter cards in the game system, he doesn't sustain them. It's impossible to do that.
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>>143435645
Meant to add that for as verbose as Hisoka is, he never pointed out a similarity between illumi's needles and the one he pulled out of the person. Maybe it's an art error?
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>>143432672

>The Zodiacs are overrated, the combat-oriented Spiders and Zoldyks outclass them.

Eh, depends on the Zodiac.

We shouldn't forget Mizai's paralysis card either. That thing could spell instant death for crazy killers like the spiders the Zoldycks who'd be unphased by his warning.
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>>143430308
Hisoka is focused on Kuroro since a long, an he'd probably won against Illumi. IT would be maybe a little troublesome for him.
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>>143435645
Anon, I didn't say he gave orders to Shalnark. The tactic he used to blow Hisoka's hands only required two antenna s, he can do it alone. I am only saying that Machi took the antenna for him and he returned Kortopi's ability to make more copies for him. The rest he can do it alone. So for me it was a 3vs1 at least and 4vs1 at worst. But I don't believe much in the 4vs1.
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>>143435720
Pariston said the zodiacs are powerful monsters and they were Netero's sparring partners. Pariston is the only weak Zodiac. The average ryodan is No match.
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>>143435410
>general
No.
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>>143435949

Pariston is only "weak" by Zodiac standards. He's still far beyond the average nen user.
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>it's been over a month
>Hisotards are still delusional about how their gay magician got his ass handed to him by Chrollo
>they are so mad they imagine other people fighting with him
Never gets old, is there a group of people as pathetic as them?
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>>143436219
>He's still far beyond the average nen user.
>source: my ass
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What do the newest 'fake' spoilers say?
On late tuesdays/wednesdays they can usually be trusted.
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>>143430308
God it looks like the mangaka left half the page empty. A fucking child could've drawn those swirls. Does /a/ unironically like this shit or is this just a meme?
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>>143436376
No real spoilers until tonight.
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>>143436396
Please show me what professional swirls looks like
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>>143436232
I am not a Hisokafag. I am totally unbiased. Try to add something to contradict me instead of baiting. It's boring. Hisoka lost, but that was not fair. Because Chrollo doesn't give a fuck about fairness to begin with. He took what he wanted, baited and fooled Hisoka to win at 100%. Can't a Chrollofag accept that? Machi took the antenna and Kortopi made more copies to support him
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>>143436471
>Machi took the antenna
Source?
>Kortopi made more copies
Source?
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>>143436471
>IT'S NOT FAIR!!!
>My speculation is true!
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>>143436319

>Ging, Paris, Cheadle, and Mizai all sense it
>Leorio doesn't notice a thing

You can't be this dense.

If Pariston was a total weakling, Netero would have stopped at making him vice-chairman instead of appointing him as a Zodiac too. Beyond wouldn't have made him his #2 either.
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>>143436471

It wasn't fair, but it was foolish for the magician to expect the head of a band of thieves to be fair.
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>>143436511
>300 clones in 5 minutes
>1 clone every second of fight
>stamping them
>applying sun/moon seals
>fighting Hisoka
I know Hisoka is more confident than dangerous, but that's still pretty fast.
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>>143436656
It was fair you retarded nigger. Chrollo even explained everything and gave him two chances to back out.
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>>143436649
If he was #2, he is probably within the 5 best nen users.
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>>143436714

Did you read what was said? Also, what difference at this point does it make? The very nature of Chrollo's ability makes the concept of fairness null and void anyway.
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>>143434886
Didn't Razor get his shit wrecked by Ging in the past however? IIRC that's how he was recruited.
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>>143435720
Hisoka rated them all lower than Illumi, who's almost certainly weaker than his father and grandfather, who couldn't kill Chrollo in a 2-on-1 though they had him on the defensive.
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>>143436656
>It wasn't fair
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>>143436649
>he is strong because he sensed Nanika's power
Fucking idiot, even veterans say they've never felt anything like it. This isn't conclusive proof at all, and Leorio is a rookie who only learned nen recently.
>Netero would have stopped at making him vice-chairman instead of appointing him as a Zodiac too
He wouldn't be vice-president if he wasn't a Zodiac, they're the guys Netero put in charge of the association. He only hired him because he knew he'd give him trouble.
>Beyond wouldn't have made him his #2 either
What's your reasoning behind this? Since when are they ranked by power?

Why does everyone in these shitty threads keep posting their dumb headcanons and pretend they're facts? Someone explain this to me.
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>>143436649
Pariston think like Ging, which is a good point for him.
But I'm still surprised he's panicking so fast when Ging enters Beyond's crew to be the #2. He's acting as if that was difficult to take his place, or to know about this plan, but that was really easy to find them and to federate them.
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>>143436808

Razor did get his shit rekt and wanted to get back at Ging through Gon, but we all know how that went.
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>>143436811

We only saw Hisoka rate Piyon, Kanzai, and Ginta.
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>>143435850
I was referring to the picture posted as "proof" of a 4v1. For your comment I have to ask why he would bother with all the other work arounds for multiple clones if he was going to let kortupi do it for him later? >>143435949
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>>143436884
No, Illumi was given a 95. Read the manga.
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>>143430502
>shreks 2 spiders like nothing
>lol they're probably shit
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why are chrollofags so annoying?
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>>143436656
Exactly.
>>143436511

There is none. Only hints but you see, you are unable to disprove it with argument because it makes sense. You just reject it like a retard. I am here to discuss about the manga not to take part in overly biased fan wars.
>>143436520
Same for you. Just try to disprove it with something convincing.
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>>143436973
Prove you're right. You can't, because it's all pure speculation.
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>>143436973
>you are unable to disprove it
I don't have to. You made a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you. You have none so your argument is completely worthless.
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>>143437013

I thought logically, the person asserting the negative has to provide the proof.
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>>143436945
>killed two weak non-fighters
Is there anybody more accomplished than Hisoka?
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>>143437057
There is an alien in my room. Provide proof there isn't.
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>>143436846

>and Leorio is a rookie who only learned nen recently.

He learned it over a year before the election took place, and had the time to develop TWO decent abilities like Warping Punch and Sonar.

Leorio is the weakest MC, but Hisoka included him the toy box for a reason.
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>>143437087

You don't have a picture (yet). I'd like to see this alien.

>>143437087

Maybe he got added in from that little stint in the Hunter Exam?
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>>143436928

>Hisoka rated them all below Illumi
>all

You're the one who needs to read the manga.
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>>143436714
It was not fair faggot. Even In the explications there were traps. He had prep to make sure of his victory. Even Machi agrees. You can't be that much of a retard even if you like Chrollo more, can you?
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>>143437134
>I'd like to see this alien
Going by your logic here >>143437057 , since you made the negative claim, you're the one who has to provide proof.
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>>143436811
His father maybe, but his grandfather is pretty old while Illumi is up and coming, it's probably arguable who's stronger.

You have to consider that part of Illumi's strength is that he can control a large number of people at the same time and that he's absolutely ruthless, plus he's all business unlike Hisoka who likes to fuck around so much. He basically sees everything as means to an end.
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>>143437162
It was entirely fair. They both started the fight on the ring, the only difference is that Chrollo had a strategy and Hisoka didn't.
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>It's not fair
Hisokafags' dying words.
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>>143437158
You do know it doesn't mean they are weaker right? No one knows their abilities . What they can guess like that are basic stats. Illumi has a stronger aura than Ginta, Kanzai and Piyon.
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>>143437205
Nen users don't seem to get weaker as they get older, I doubt Illumi is equal to his Grandfather or Father at all.
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>>143437248
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>>143437357
>Nen users don't seem to get weaker as they get older
Yes they do, Netero was the proof.
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>>143437241
Strategy he took months to prepare hence making it unfair.
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>>143437357
Their bodies do get weaker, even Netero, who was staving off aging by basically being a living vegetable, was weaker compared to his prime time (whenever that was).
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>>143436811
>who's almost certainly weaker than his father and grandfather,
No
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>>143437507
How exactly? Hisoka had even more time than him to come up with a strategy. Are you saying it's unfair because Chrollo used his time better than him?
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>>143437507
You faggots are rich.
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>>143435410
It's just a HxH thread with a particular topic, not everything has to be generals.
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>>143437620
Hisoka didn't choose to fight here. Chrollo did, and for good reasons. The conditions were perfect for his combos and he knew Bungee Gum. He prepared everything ahead and knew what to expected while Hisoka had to make strategies on the fly. It's like starting a test knowing what will be the questions beforehand.
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>>143436396
Then you do better, anon.
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>>143436471
What's fair in a nen fight? If Hisoka didn't wanna get beaten so badly he shouldn't have given Chrollo the chance and time to stack things in his favor. Sorry life aint fair.
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I need a Kurapika and Melody doujin ASAP
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>>143438110
Hisoka was the one who wanted to fight Chrollo. He had years to come up with a strategy and he didn't, even after letting Chrollo know that he intended to fight and kill him. The fact that he didn't doesn't change the fact that it was 100% fair, it just means Hisoka is a complete retard.
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>>143437620
Retard, Hisoka didn't make any strategy, he just went along with what Chrollo wanted.

That's why he was so disappointed when he learned that Chrollo was planning this whole fight for months.
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>>143438110
This, it was completely unfair for Chrollo to fight a mentally disabled person.
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>>143438228
Literally this.
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>>143438243
>he just went along with what Chrollo wanted
And? That's completely irrelevant to wether or not it was fair.
>he was so disappointed when he learned that Chrollo was planning this whole fight for months
What? When was he disappointed? He was extremely thrilled about it, he even jizzed himself and praised him. He was only disappointed because he got his ass fucked sideways.
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>>143437414
Did anyone get how his hand exploded?
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>>143438320
Don't make me search for the chapters. I don't know if he was disappointed that Chrollo planned the fight for months or because the way Chrollo fought him (using the public and not himself), but he was visibly disappointed when he learned that Chrollo wasn't going to fight him in person. That's the reason why he was so butthurt afterwards, and the main reason he killed Kortopi and Shalnark.
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>>143437357
Their bodies get weaker if nothing else, unless they modify it somehow. Netereo even commented that he was much weaker than in his prime.
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>>143437507
So becuase he had a brain and used it, that's unfair? By that standard every nen fight is unfair to the loser.
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>>143438387
He only expressed disappointment when he realized he couldn't pick apart Chrollo's strategy. He literally had an orgasm/boner and kept calling him devious and shit, he was clearly enjoying the fight.
He only was salty because it was a humiliating defeat and his ego is too big to admit it was all his fault for not being prepared and just showing up expecting to win.
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>>143438208
Did you ordered it?
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>>143438472
Why did Chrollo rape Hisoka if he likes him?
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Let's see how Hisoka's mind works, shall we?
>Fool everyone, including the members, into thinking you've joined a group of world wide thiefs and assassins because you want to fight their leader
>Stay in the group for years waiting for a oppotunity for such fight, working with them in many jobs (it is however implied that Hisoka skipped one or multiples of their reunions)
>The leader loses the ability to use his weapon and Hisoka goes with him in a journey to recover his ability, the agreement is that after they conclude their journey, they fight
>Journey takes at least a year or so to complete
>Preparations for the fight happen over some months
>Chrollo meticulously planned every possible scenario
>Hisoka never tried to spy on Chrollo to get information, not even knowing how many abilities Chrollo has
>Hisoka gets literally BTFO
>"Oh my"
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>>143438193
This. This was not fair. That's All I am saying.
>>143438228
No. Hisoka wanted to fight but he is not the one who chose the time and place. Chrollo avoided him all this time because he knew he'd be able to bait him. Skill Hunter must be separated from Chrollo to be stopped and he can add abilities with various strength and weaknesses. It is not as easy to think of Counter strategies as it is for Bungee Gum. Chrollo did everything to be sure to win. Hisoka should have refused to fight under these unfair conditions but he didn't.
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>>143438641
So it's unfair because Hisoka didn't manage to stop Chrollo from gaining more abilities? And it's also unfair because Hisoka still accepted to fight Chrollo even though he gave him several chances to back off?
You Hisokafags sure are something else.
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>>143438641
Literally NOTHING is fair to the loser you retard. What people are telling you is that it is not an argument.

Meruem got BTFO because he didn't know humans made such a powerful weapon.
Is it fair? Of course it is. We (as in, humanity) won.
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>>143438459
No. Because he had advantages that Hisoka had not even before the fight that's unfair. You are just trying to embelish it. He's a thief and fought like a thief. Without prep it would have not been so one sided don't you agree?
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>Hisokafags getting btfo in this thread almost as hard as their shit clown a few chapters ago
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>>143438781
Dunno, he's still great at coming up with on-the-fly strategies like faking injury to ruse Hisoka.
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>>143438641
So by your rationale every fight Hisoka won in the series weren't fair either. If we follow your train of logic ever win ever is unfair.
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>>143438781
>it's unfair because he was prepared
You are one stupid fuck, there was nothing preventing Hisoka from preparing himself as well but he didn't. Chrollo not being a fucking retard like Hisoka and stacking the odds in his favor doesn't make it unfair.
As a matter of fact Hisoka had even more time to come up with a strategy, so if anything it was unfair to Chrollo.
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>>143438641
Not him but why he didn't choose the time and place? Isn't he the one who wanted to fight?
AFAWK, they could've rolled a coin Troupe style and Chrollo won.

What is more likely though, is that Hisoka got into his edgeclown mode and just wanted to fight anywhere and since both are Floor Masters, Chrollo /innocently/ suggested Heaven's Arena and Hisoka fell for it.
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>>143438865
reminder that hisoka could not knock the book out of chrollo's hands at all
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>>143438729
What an idiot. Netero lost to Meryem fair and square he said revealing his name would mean his defeat and he knew he'd lose. The bomb was more humanity vs ants. It killed Meryem and 2 guards. The fight was over when he exploded.
>>143438723
Use your brain faggot. Chrollo gave him chances to back off because he knew the conditions were unfair to Hisoka.
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>>143438781
>No. Because he had advantages that Hisoka had not even before the fight that's unfair.

Like what time for planning and preparations?

Hisoka could have easily done the same.

Chosing the battlefield?

If Hisoka wasn't thinking with his fighter-dick he wouldn't have accepeted. That is on Hisoka, Chrollo doesn't have to cuddle his enemy.

Talking about fair and unfair doesn't make sense because apparently every loser will claim their fight was unfair. They lost, too bad so sad.
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>>143438980
How were they unfair? They both had the same amount of time to prepare for the fight. They both started the fight on the ring. There was nothing unfair about it, Hisoka being a cocky retard who thought he'd win without prep doesn't change anything.
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>>143438945
Because overconfidence. He doesn't do these kind of things usually nor expected it from Chrollo.
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>>143439050
See? I am saying that it's partly Hisoka fault but Chrollo used his time to his advantage. What Hisoka did was due to his arrogance but Chrollo was way ahead due to the time he took for the plan. By accepting to fight at the arena where Chrollo had set up everything Hisoka was already behind.
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>>143439260
That's some definition of 'unfair'. Would you also deem it unfair when boxers in the real world use their time to train harder? The fact that Chrollo used his time to stack the deck in his favor is the same thing.

Would you also say that Gon vs. Bomber was unfair?
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>>143439260
>but Chrollo used his time to his advantage
What, is that what makes it unfair to you? Him actually using his time instead of dicking around?
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>>143439360
>>143439382
Because everything he planned depended on thefact that he'd fight at heavens arena. It was basically a trap for Hisoka. He set up everything then made Hisoka come. It was one sided because of the prep and nothing else.
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Reminder that having a functioning brain is unfair.
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>>143439586
I don't understand how this contradicts anything i've said. Please answer this question with a yes or no, are you saying it is unfair because Chrollo actually used his time, unlike Hisoka?
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>>143439586
I'll ask again then, would you also say that Gon vs. Bomber was unfair? That fight too hinged on the terrain and exploiting of game mechanics.
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>>143430308
When will this Chrollo vs. Hisoka shitposting end? It's been months and some people just can't let it go that Hisoka lost.
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>>143431114
it was speedreader did you faggots forgot that the spiders prefer only 1vs1 see ugovin or feitan
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>>143439635
>challenge a dude to a chess match
>he actually learns some strategies while i spend my time jacking off
>he kicks my ass
>Chrollofags pretend this isn't unfair
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>>143439800
What a fucking cheater
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>>143439800
How could Chrollo do that to Hisoka!?
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>>143439729
>i-it wasn't fair!
>4v1!
Hisokafags are an infinite source of butthurt, you could power an entire city with it.
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>>143439639
Saying because he used his brain is oversimplifying it. It's not like Hisoka didn't think of strategies during the fight. But Chrollo had thought of everything even before it. The place was crucial and the battle was under his favorable conditions. He never accepted to fight before for that reason.
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>>143439684
Yes that was unfair. In normal conditions Gon would have never won and Genthru needed to keep him alive for his cards.
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>>143440038
Chrollo's strategies were much more thought out and elaborate, so he clearly used his brain better. There was nothing preventing Hisoka from thinking about it either, they had an equal amount of prep time.
If Hisoka couldn't force him to fight it just means he's an incompetent, it's completely unrelated to fairness.
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>>143440168
So everytime an underdog wins it's unfair? It's pretty simple, everything is fair game. To label something unfair in a nen-battle is what losers do in order to explain away their failings.
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>>143440168
Gon's team came up with a careful strategy and used the circumstances to their advantage. I don't see what's unfair about it, why aren't you saying that it's unfair because Genthru is more experienced and older than Gon?
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>>143440402
>he was watching him
UNFAIR
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>>143430308
So what class of ant is he/she?

Grunt, commander, royal guard or prince?
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>>143440482
This
>preparing for the fight
>not fighting blindfolded
>training in combat
>using nen
Can Chrollo fight more unfair? I mean damn
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>>143439729
No one said he didn't lose. You lack reading comprehension. Some fags want to force the idea that Chrollo the thief was fair because reasons even though the source itself says that Chrollo had ideal conditions.
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>>143440613
UNFAIR
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This thread is like a 4v1. 4 Chrollo fags arguing with 1 Hisoka shitter.
When will it all end?
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Premium Post:

Feiten would beat Hisoka consistently, under any circumstances
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>>143440296
So everytime an underdog wins it's unfair?
WTF? No. I will ask you a simple question. Between Gon and Genthru who is stronger?
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>>143440596
He could probably beat Hisoka blindfolded.
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>>143440613
Ideal conditions? So let's say Hisoka hadn't eaten that day and Chrollo had, would that be unfair? What about inherent abilities and strength? How far should we go before it does and doesn't classify as 'fair'?
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>>143439800
You are the most retarded Chrollofag ever.
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>>143440613
>it's unfair, he LITERALLY optimized his chances!
My sides
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>>143440710
Genthru, but Gon won fairly by being smarter in that particular fight. Just like Chrollo won fairly by not being a complete fucking tard and playing to his strengths.
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>>143436700
Spiders are at least supersonic, at most hypersonic

It's actually slow
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>>143440770
It sounds stupid when you put it like that, but then again it sounded stupid before that.
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>>143440741
It's a completely valid analogy and your lack of argument only makes your butthurt more obvious.
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>>143440697
based on?
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>Hisocucks are still pedalling their pathetic fanfiction
You guys are worse than Remain voters.
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>>143440741
Care to lay out why he's wrong?
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>>143440835
I agree, i was making fun of the fact that it is completely stupid to call it unfair because Chrollo prepared for the fight
I'm glad you finally see things my way anon
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>>143440727
We don't consider the opponent physical stage when we fight. This is your own choice to make. Abilities are their weapons. It was under Chrollo's ideal conditions because he made a whole plan revolving on the arena and public. Chrollo had advantages, Hisoka had none. If Chrollo had been fine whatever the place and without considerable prep no one would have had advantages. Got it?
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>>143440802
Who is stronger? Hisoka or Chrollo?
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>>143440959
What prevented Hisoka from coming up with a strategy as well? Explain this to me. You're literally saying "it's unfair because Chrollo had a plan".
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>>143441016
Chrollo, obviously.
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>>143441016
Obvious
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>>143441016
Chrollo. Didn't you see how easy Hisoka was beaten. His nen, and abilities is at least some measure above Hisoka's.
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>>143441067
>that speed
>that cute ass
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>>143440851
Because you can manipulate the public in a chess match? It was a fight without rules. Chess has rules and saying he jacked off is stupid since he definitely practiced nen. Chrollo imposed his favorable conditions and needed to be at heavens arena. Being anywhere else would have stopped his plan.
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You now realise there may very well be Hisoka - Chrollo Flamewars over the recorded footage of Heavens Arena on the Hunter Website right now
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>>143441067
>>143441069
>Can't kill him even after tricking him into a 4v1
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>>143441233
>headcanon and damage control
Sad.
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>>143441270
the only headcannon in that post was hisoka's bungee gum
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>>143441168
Chess and nen fights both revolve around strategies. Chrollo had one and Hisoka didn't. You're just talking about details that fall under the strategy i was talking about.
Hisoka definitely didn't prepare for this fight at all considering he had no plan and expected to be able to pick Chrollo's strategy apart and win.
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>>143441016
Completely pointless question. It's basically impossible to gauge Chrollos abilities because he can have whatever the fuck he wants.
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>>143441023
Nothing. But it is evident that he was disadvantaged. It's as simple as that. Without these advantages Chrollo would have ran away forever. You get it? Chrollo didn't want to fight without advantages. Isn't it? He only stopped to run away because he was sure to win under these conditions.
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>>143441233
>Can't kill him
He did, speedreader.

But you already knew that :^)
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>>143441233
Except he fought him in a 1v1 and killed him, are you maybe thinking of a different series?
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>>143441337
If he killed him then why is he alive?

>>143441347
>refusing to acknowledge numerous hints by togashi
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>>143436811
Ratings mean fuck all, morel said you need to see how hatsu match up against each other.

It's not like hisoka knew their hatsu
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>>143441067
>>143441069
Hisoka is physically stronger if that chart is anything to go by; that toss isn't anything impressive in the grand scheme of the series. Their speed is also similar.

Chrollo's book is just so diverse it allows him to fight in any number of ways, combined with his intelligence and nen mastery it means Togashi could write him into virtually any fight and give him a way to win.

Hisoka lost the moment he let Chrollo dictate the terms of the fight. He was humbled and now wants to fight him in a more neutral setting which would be interesting to see.
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>>143441321
How is the fact that Hisoka couldn't get Chrollo to fight him "unfair"? That just shows Hisoka is inferior to Chrollo. Neither of them had any disadvantages, they both had complete freedom to do anything they wanted.
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>>143441315
>Chess and nen fights both revolve around strategies
Oversimplifying much? Chess is just strategy. In Nen battles strategy support your combat ability. To be prepared you practice Nen to improve.
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>>143441401
>my loosely tied together headcanon is hints
Shit anon, this is actually kind of pathetic
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>>143441401
>If he killed him then why is he alive?
Because Ishida begged at Togashi's feet like the pathetic cretin he is.
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>>143441435
How is that relevant at all exactly? You're actually making your point less valid because Chrollo is physically weaker than Hisoka.
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>>143441443
>expects 20-30 clones, 200 come. (Kortopi)
>antenna disappeared, probably a fishing line!" (Machi)
>gives intructions down the phone, when black voice is normally input by buttons (shalnark)
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>>143441492
>shit estimation, underestimated Chrollo again
>literally could have just used an actual thread instead of a nen ability
>told Shalnark to crouch and then informed him he lost his antennas for no reason
You're a sweet kid but you're not very bright
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>>143441412
>How is the fact that Hisoka couldn't get Chrollo to fight him "unfair
Wtf stop saying things I never did. Chrollo fought this time because he was sure of his win. He says it himself. Why didn't he fight all this time? Because he was not sure he'd win. So he planned everything to be sure he'd win. It's so simple.
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O MY RUBBER NEN
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>>143441601
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>>143441563
>Wtf
Kill yourself.
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>>143441168
Nigga everything goes in nen-battles, there are no rules.
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>>143441563
Yes, and i'm asking you how that is unfair exactly. He was only able to do it because Hisoka couldn't get him to fight. It's all on Hisoka's incompetence, there's nothing unfair about it.
You are pretty stupid anon.
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>>143441490
Physically? Yes but physical strength is not all that matters in Nen battles. You seem to think that I am saying Chrollo would lose without advantages. I am not saying that though I am not saying that he'd win either. I am saying that he only accepted because this time, under these conditions, he was sure to win. Otherwise he would have always avoided Hisoka.
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>>143441601
Can hid nen even get rid of his low-life fans?
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>>143431408
you're a fool.
Sharlnak can only control people by playing a video game.
it was 4 v 1.

Hisoka is the FINAL boss.
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>>143441550
>Hisoka is too smart to be 1000% off
>Or it could have been Machi
>He was telling Shalnark to command the puppet to crouch

I'm not very bright? Your last point was incoherent.
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Why are you Hisocucks STILL trying to push your dumb headcanon weeks after the fight ended? Your guy lost, Chrollo won. Let it go.
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>>143441703
And i'm asking you how that is unfair exactly. It is just like the chess analogy said, it's on Hisoka for not coming up with a strategy himself and not being able to stop Chrollo from elaborating his strategy.
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>>143438946
super glue is a hellofadrug
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>>143441550
>bungee gum disappeared from ceiling

Sure thing kid.

Hisoka is going to anally rape the troupe.
Stay mad, fag.
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>>143441762
>Your guy lost, Chrollo won.
I don't think that's the issue. The arguments seem to not so much deny that Chrollo won, it's a factor of power and how one sided it was.

I think.
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>>143441406
The toss isn't supposed to be impressive.
It's humiliating.

Chrollo is literally chucking people at Hisoka after already winning.

If you don't remember, Hisoka kicked one of the floor's tile into the ceiling in his fight against Gon.
Physical strength wasn't the point of this fight but rather how retarded Hisoka is for fighting someone with multiple abilities while said someone knew his abilities.
How utter confidence leads to an ego so fucked up, it leads to people being thrown at you lamo
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>>143441762
Half of it gotta be false-flag faggots trying to stir up shit.
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>>143441651
And who said the opposite? I am only starting that the conditions favored Chrollo but apparently his dans think that was not the case when he said it himself. Hisoka thought he could overcome his strategy and that was his mistake.
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>>143441762
Looks to me 2 legs have been brutally chopped of the spider.

>Spider: Rekt
>Cuckrollo: Salty as fuck
>Hisoka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA
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>>143441934
This is just bad bait at this point.
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>>143441755
>Hisoka clearly understimated Chrollo since the start of the fight
>or it could have been an actual thread, which would have been far more practical
>Chrollo somehow would ask Shalnark to command a puppet instead of just giving orders himself, while using Shalnark's phone
>>143441806
It disappeared because he lost his hand, same reason he couldn't project it from his lost foot

Do you Hisokafags really have no dignity? I just feel bad seeing you embarass yourselves like this
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>>143441963
Hisokafags are very hurt right now.
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>>143441775
Starting a battle with numerous advantages means that the opponent is disadvantaged. Hisoka is at fault for accepting under these conditions but it doesn't change this fact. He was disadvantaged and chose to fight disadvantaged despite Chrollo's warnings.
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>>143442022
I'm glad you agree that it's fair.
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>>143442022
I will ask again one last time before i stop responding to your retarded posts, how is that unfair? What was preventing Hisoka from getting those advantages himself?
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>>143442022
Backpedalling instead of admitting it isn't unfair at all and Hisoka was just retardedly overconfident.
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>>143442060
No it isn't fair.
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>>143441898
there will never be a point in the manga where chrollo wont prepare for hisoka though.

therefore

Chrollo>Hisoka
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>>143441973
>right now
>implying they won't be screaming "UNFAIR", "4V1" and "300 COPIES NEVER FORGET THE CHROLLOCAUST" even on their death bed
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>>143442205
When Ging one shots Hisoka, they'll start saying it was Chrollo's fault for not fighting fair
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>>143442085
>>143442094
Are you retarded? Hisoka was cocky and I said it. He was fine fighting under Chrollo's conditions but it doesn't change that the conditions were fair to him since Chrollo fought because he had gathered the tools to win at 100℅
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>>143442205

It's revealed Chrollo 4v1'd Hisoka.

How would you respond, would you call Togashi a shit writer and a hack in your Chrollo rage?

Think objectively for a second and don't say something retarded like "it doesn't matter because it will never happen". This is a hypothetical.
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>>143442140
IT'S NOT FAIR!!!
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>>143442195
I am fine with that reasoning.
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>>143442195
Well Hisoka will 1v1 Cuckrollo when he kill all his precious spider buddies.
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>>143442280
Trick question, it's so incoherent and retarded it's not even worth considering.
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>>143442280
It doesn't matter because it will never happen.
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>>143442282
Indeed.
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>>143442280
I don't do "what ifs".
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>>143442280
Not him but how would I respond?
Why didn't Hisoka just called four of his friends to eliminate this pesky retard who's been trying to fight him for years now?
It never mattered if it was a 1v1 or a 4v1. It only matters the outcome.
Hisoka lost and resurrected, now they are gonna fight again. The end.
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>>143442350
>>143442372

these guys will be the first to cry "togashi writing has gone shit!", I guarantee it.
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>>143442276
>it's unfair because Chrollo actually had a plan and Hisoka couldn't stop him
This is just pathetic now.
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>>143442397
>hisoka
>friends
Chrollo is literally the only person who likes him.
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>>143442433
>Being so buttblasted about the result you can only console yourself with hypothetical headcanon scenarios
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>>143442452
That's my point.
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>>143442433
>will
I bet you furiously jacked off to the fake spoilers a couple of weeks ago about Hisoka and Kurapika watching a tape of the fight and finding out it was a 4v1.
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>>143442280
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yes yes well done Chrollo, well done Chrollo ... HOWEVER

RIP Shalnark and Kortopi
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>>143442553
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Just a reminder that Hisoka got 2 kills in a supposed 1v1 deathmatch.
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>>143442280
It's impossible for Chrollo to make 300 copies in 5 minutes, but it's completely possible for him + Kortopi to make 150 each in 5 minutes?

You're pulling these "hints" out of your ass.
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Can you still buy materiel from whatshisname? I need me some Spinmetal pronto
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>Hisoka gets ONE (1) decent hit in on Chrollo the entire match
>Chrollo kicks the living shit out him multiple times
>Stomps on his face
>Puts him on the ruse cruise
>Blows his hand off
>Blows his leg off
>Literally baseball pitches audience members at him
>He even has the time to try on different clothes
>Does Michael Jackson poses while dodging his attacks
>Just 9/11's the shit out of him
>Styles on him so bad he doesn't even have to fight
>Outright kills him with no effort at all
>The clown is so salty and frustrated over being BTFO so easily by Chrollo that he resorts to killing his friends but is too much of a weak pussy to go after Chrollo himself
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>>143442698
What does it take to kill this clown to death?
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>>143442698
I wouldn't mind being killed in such a stylish manner.
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>>143442739
An audience and like 5 minutes
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>>143442767
Chrollo is so comfy that it gives me an urge to leap
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>>143442767
Damn, he's cute.
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>>143442767
Guy looks pretty good in normal cloth. I don't know why he chose that edgy getup as his go-to clothing of choice.
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>>143442474
>>143442767
What kind of /fa/ is Chrollo? I really dig it.
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>>143442899
Slav
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>>143442899
/fa/ggot
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There's no point in arguing whether or not Chrollo or Hisoka is more powerful than the other because if not for Hisoka's sense of 'fairness' Chrollo would have died right after Pika regardless of how good Skill Hunter is.

It doesn't really make sense for Chrollo to job so hard to Pika, though. His power is such a wildcard that he could theoretically counter every nen user, even the chimera ants, especially w/ bookmark if he stole the right set.

The whole idea that Hisoka could ever beat Chrollo one on one in a non anticlimatic way is incredibly stupid, especially if the bookmark already exists. My theory is the whole Hisoka vs Chrollo fight was to please asinine powerlevel fags because there is no way that Hisoka could actually counter a fight with no drawbacks.

That being said, it'd be dumb to complain that the most powerful nen user is now even more OP thanks to two simultaneous abilities is cheating since his skills are such that he could use theoretically any ability in the entire manga. That being said, I wouldn't put it past Chrollo to cheat and use the other spiders to ensure that Hisoka is dead while pretending to give him the fight that he wanted all along (a good death.)

That being said, Hisoka's revival is not exactly unexpected or an asspull. Firstly he's one of the most popular characters despite having a shit skillset and is interesting to read. Secondly his abilities have a whole bunch of medical applications from scaffolding to more accurate CPR than could ever be imitated by modern medicine. Not to mention Chrollo just said immediately prior that 'nen abilities can grow stronger after death'. Furthermore, you cannot argue that the death of a powerless Kortopi and Shalnark was cheating since the nature of Chrollo's powers are essentially cheating. Power copiers/power parasites are literal storybreakers and who's to say that with Chrollo's extremely overpowered future telling he didn't forsee Hisoka's revival?

I'm a Hisokafag and Chrollofag.
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>>143442739
People to touch Hisoke with their back.
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>>143442899
It's the new "Cute Slav squatting outside his local off-license downing a bottle of cheap cider he bought with the change he pickpocketed from old women" look.
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>the two people whose skills are vital to his plan just happen to be in the same city at the same time
>creates more clones then is physically possible within the time limit of the fight
>final chapters of the fight are called 'disappointment' aka disappointed got cheated out of muh 1v1
>hisoka, someone who loves fighting more then anything suddenly decides to ambush spiders for no reason, actually punishing the people who ruined his fight

I'm not saying hisoka would definitely win a fair fight, but chrollo was apparently too scared to find out.
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>>143443100
I want to kiss that thief.
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>>143443068
There is no fairness.
There is no cheating.
Whomever spouts bullshit like this is a dumb ideallistic millenial.
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>>143443068
Can you explain Chrollo's powers for me? I've read the relevant issues a few times but I still can't understand it.
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>>143443163
>Damage control getting stronger after death
Poor Hisokafags.
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>>143443163
Do we even have an actual timetable for the fight? We don't know how much time takes place between chrollo disappearing into the audience and the clones starting their attack so it's weird for people to say that there wasn't enough time when we actually don't know how much time elapsed.
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>>143442858
Ain't he?
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>>143443221
He uses any Hatsu he can steal.
For how he steals, read the mango.
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>>143443272
Just read out hisoka's thoughts and you have a rough timeframe. To create the amount of clones that rush him chrollo would need more then 10 minutes uninterrupted, or an ally constantly producing more.
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>>143442899
>>143442972
Ostap Bender.

Yep, slav.
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>>143430308
Illumi is not nearly as important or edgy enough to defeat plot armor clown. And besides, the numbers don't mean much. There are tens if not hundreds of people that have a fighting chance against the spiders but ultimately lose because Hisoka is simply much more creative and perceptive.
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>>143443315
I mean Bookmark. I understood his abilities before his fight with Hisoka.

I don't remember him explaining how he actually stole the abilities though.

Could you remind me?
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>>143443385
He stole them the same way he ever did.
Double Face simply allows him to "remember which page he was in".
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>>143443385
google it you retard
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>>143443385
You're just a lazy faggot.
I thought you were baiting me.
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2 hours
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>>143443220
The only reason 'fairness' exists is so that the manga can. Chrollo would have broken the entire manga by stealing a Chimera Ant's powers during that arc (hence why he got excluded from that) and it's not exactly entertaining for salivating fans to watch Chrollo nuke Hisoka before he can even react due to his extremely exploitable powers or for Hisoka to kill Chrollo when he's nenless. Authors want to tell some kind of interesting if not convenient story so powerlevels aren't ever the be all and end all.
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>>143443163
Chrollo's a guy who took on two Zoldycks head-on while holding back and someone Zeno insinuated could kill him if he went all-out. Anyone who thinks Chrollo is scared of Hisoka is straight up delusional.
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>>143443666
>Chimera Ant's powers

like? most of the ant's powers were dealt with and the king/royal guard are dangerous because they're strong not because of special nen powers. what is he going to steal the kings ability to eat people and take their nen..?
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>>143443666
Your argument falls apart in your opening phrase.
Chrollo wasn't part of the CA arc because of the situation Togashi made with the conclusion of Yorknew.

Chrollo wouldn't be able to do shit against the RG ants, even with his nen. Nenless, he'd just be another sack of meat.
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>>143443756
then why did he use his troupe as backup? Also chrollo straight up says hisoka has the record for amount of abilities needed to win, so he obviously considers him a major threat.
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>>143443793
He is forgetting the conditions Chrollo must meet to steal their Hatsu.
Good luck shutting down Youpi, making him tell how his ability work then living to even use it.
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>>143443841
>then why did he use his troupe as backup?
Are you just baiting at this point?
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>>143443808
>Chrollo wasn't part of the CA arc because of the situation Togashi made with the conclusion of Yorknew.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he thought it was convenient to put CA right after Yorknew for that reason.
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>>143443895
Whether or not you think hisoka is a chump for getting tricked and killed, it's pretty much a fact that something else was going on in the fight, there are just too many irregularities.
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>>143443914
Oh really? Are you so fucking retarded you don't know how writing something works?
What the fuck is wrong you people in /a/. Fuck.
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>>143430308
after a little bit of reading now i know that everyone isn't talking anymore about the question of the thread anyway, then, can you answer why the fuck is so shitty the art of the manga? i mean, i like too much HXH but man...they could put more effort
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>>143443962
He wasn't part of the CA arc because a) There's so many characters that it would be impossible to insert them all without writing a GRRM length novel and even that falls apart because of the number of POV as well as the number of characters one would need to draw which is extraordinarily time consuming, b) it's convenient not to let a power stealer into an arc with plenty of OP abilities and c) It would distract from the Meruem tale he wanted to tell.

>>143443876
>Good luck shutting down Youpi
He 'shut down' a person who was able to perceive the future and whose ability should have in fact provided the most protection from stealing.
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>>143444063
Oda has at least 2 or more assistants.
Kishimoto had just as much.
Many other mangaka have at least one assistant.
Togashi is so autistic he wants to draw it all by himself. At one point in time, he couldn't even move right and was still drawing by himself (hence some incredibly shit art and so many hiatuses).
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>>143443921
>it's pretty much a fact
You headcanon isn't a fact.
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The discussion shifts back to Hisoka and Chrollo and lo and behold, it's glorified shitflinging of the highest order
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>>143444160
>He wasn't part of the CA arc because a) There's so many characters that it would be impossible to insert them all without writing a GRRM length novel and even that falls apart because of the number of POV as well as the number of characters one would need to draw which is extraordinarily time consuming, b) it's convenient not to let a power stealer into an arc with plenty of OP abilities and c) It would distract from the Meruem tale he wanted to tell.
Literally what I said. You just explained ot.

>He 'shut down' a person who was able to perceive the future and whose ability should have in fact provided the most protection from stealing.
Have you read the manga? You can't predict your own future.
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>>143444239
>me
>see evidence
>draw conclusion

>you
>IF IT'S NOT SPOONFED TO ME IT DOESN'T EXIST
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>>143444279
Also, Neon was just a normal person.
Youpi is a completely different beast. Literally.
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>>143444314
Do you know what a fact is, retard? It's something that cannot be disputed. Your headcanon very easily can be and has been in this very thread.
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>you will never have a love this pure
kill me
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What's your favorite design for any given character
I love early CA Gon. He is pulling off the Uremeshi look well.
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>>143444279
>Have you read the manga? You can't predict your own future.
There is nothing stopping you from predicting the future of absolutely everyone you interact with on a daily basis from the guards to your family members. If she predicted that her father's fortune collapse she could make up for the blind spot. Not to mention her fortune might be inextricably intertwined with someone else's and she'd just end up predicting her own fortune by proxy.
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>>143444428
>Impossibly uncharacteristic what if scenarios
Go away.
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>>143444377
Ponzu is already dead, no need ofr you to die too lmao
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>>143438800
>Manlet hiding behind the muppet corpse
Oh, okay.
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>>143444521
You stated 'You can't predict your own future.' I asked, 'to what extent can't you predict your own future if it is related to someone else's?'
If you didn't want to discuss this particular point, then perhaps in the future you should avoid raising the point in the first place.
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>>143444444
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>>143444683
No, you didn't ask. You stated it as a fact.
Had you asked, I'd tell you that that's what Chrollo did, changing his mind just a little.everytime an unwanted outcome came from the prophecy.

But the first talk point was that Neon wouldn't ever be able to predict her own power being stolen because Chrollo didn't interact with anyone from the Nostrade family besides Neon.

Let's suppose that Chrollo was in the CA and he wanted Youpi's power.
Future prediction is useless since Chrollo hasn't fulfilled any of the abilities pre-requisites to write Youpi's future.

Now tell me how would Chrollo steal from Youpi, given the abilities we know he has.
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>>143444063
Kill yourself
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>>143444410
Chrollo and Pitou
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Was it eve3r explained what Chrollo needs to do in order to give people their skills back?

I mean, if he took Shalnak's and Kortopi's hatsu it means it is not permanent
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>>143444977
I said that he stole an ability from a person who is able to tell the future and should have therefore been able to completely prevent themselves from losing their power due to the nature of their power and this task would have been more difficult/impossible than Youpi because of the intrinsic nature of the future telling power.
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>>143445416
Like, which iteration.
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>>143445476
You're drawing in absolutes and forgetting characteristics.
Neon wasn't a strategist, a fighter or even aware that what she was doing was actually nen. Ghost Writer, to her, was just something she did, it wasn't something she mastered.
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If now Chrollo and Hisoka randomly meet eachother on the boat and fight, without any other spiders around. Who would win?
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>>143445662
Probably Hisoka
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>>143445662
Lot of people for Chrollo to chuck around.
If Kortopi and Sharlnark didn't become stronger after death, he'd have a harder time but Chrollo would still win.
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>>143445662
Chrollo.
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>>143445613
Maintaining her family's status as Mafia Boss with predictions sounds like a fairly complex task. Although her opinion was only used to inform her father's decisions, one has to question the degree of predictive accuracy and mastery required to navigate the relationships between potentially hundreds of people all with ulterior motives. I can understand where your points are coming from though.
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>>143445477
All of them really. I like Yorkshin Chrollo as much as current Chrollo.
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>>143445662
depends if Hisoka lets Chrollo fulfill the conditions to be able to use multiple abilities. if he attacks Chrollo immediately, he might win. if not, he'll probably get butt fucked again depending on what strategies Chrollo employs.
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>>143445905
I believe that Ghost Writer works much like Something/Ai. It draws its power from something else rather than the user.
It doesn't require mastery, just that you're able to use it.

Neon has been doing predictions since she was a child and despite us not really understanding how it works, the only thing I could see Neon do to affect the effectiveness of Ghost Writer, is her increasing her vocabulary but even that I think is irrelevant. Ghost Writer is independent from the user.
It's scope is just TOO grand. It can go from a meteor falling on your head to a oxidizing molecule in your bathtub.
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>>143443337
But in addition to Hisoka's thoughts we do have dead space and moments where he's fighting clones which would also serve as time to make more clones for Chrollo. I think it's fairly reasonable for a gallery fake to pump out as many clones as it did within the timeframe of the fight. Moreso when you realize that cloning is instantaneous going off of York Shin, and Chrollo is very fast.
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>>143438472
>>143442698

Why do speedreaders think Hisoka is 'salty' about losing? He's totally not, he admits he fucked first thing after coming back to life.

Hisoka's not motivated by anger, in fact I don't think he's ever been angry once in the entire fucking series. He's killing the spiders because A) his boner for Chrollo has gotten even bigger B) he wants to force Chrollo to chase him now so he can control the circumstances of the fight and C) he wants to break Chrollo and realized the best way to do it would be by killing all his friends. It's that simple
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>>143446002
Pic related?
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>>143446250
I'm hoping that that will get expanded on further in DC. I feel like Chrollo's Ghostwriter is going to be a very important plot point one day which is why I think that Hisoka is unlikely to succeed in killing him in this current arc.
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>>143446404
Always
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When do true spoilers come out? If I recall correctly, true spoilers for last week's chapter weren't leaked until 2 in the morning EST
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>>143447127
In 5.
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>>143447181
Hilarious
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>>143430466
Illumi could use his needlemen in a very similar manner to how Chrollo did his gallery fake shenanigans against hisoka
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>>143447486
Illumi Needles > Black Voice > Instant Lover > Noname Ant Remote
Illumi has the best control type hatsu.
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>>143447711
Illumi has a more versatile control type but I'd say Black Voice is still better. The degree of control is safer, you don't destroy your victims mind and make them berserkers which means that a Black Voice puppet can be discreet.

Illumi can impart single commands but it destroys the hosts mind. Otherwise he needs to pump them full of needles to get information out of them or control them.
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where r the spoilers?
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>two threads
>both active
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Since nen can become stronger through death, and Hisoka can bring himself back from the dead, what's to stop him from killing himself and reviving over and over until his nen has the properties of rubber AND gum AND God Almighty?
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>>143446255
taking into account chrollo's speed and seeing him make a clone, hisoka estimated there were 30 remaining, seconds before he was rushed by hundreds. chrollo used convert hands to disguise kortopi and have him generate puppets all match.
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komugi...?
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>>143450002
Thing is Hisoka mentions in the next page that if left alone, Chrollo will create a new clone at a rate of one every couple seconds. Hisoka also mentioned the page before that with sun/moon factoring into clone persistence his estimation was off (he thinks it's lower).

Then while he's searching the crowd from the arena there are two pages of him just standing there while the crowd get's whipped into a frenzy by some of Chrollo's clones. But he waits for an indeterminate amount of time.

Togashi is pretty good at keeping all the relevant elements to a fight within the fight itself, and any surprises or nuances get shown to the audience within the duration of the fight. If the Spider's were really pooling their efforts together in order to trick Hisoka then not revealing that when he revealed that Kortupi, machi, and Shalnark were nearby enough to retrieve Hisoka's body is slightly uncharacteristic of him. The follow up conversation with Shalnark is also interesting because if Chrollo did give back the troupe abilities he stole while the match was still happening, wouldn't having a persistent Black Voice threat provided by Shalnark have been more advantageous? Instead we clearly see Chrollo using the phone and still being in possession of it after the match.

The only troupe member I can see being there would be Machi, but her presence is explained by her either getting paid by Hisoka/being sentimental, and/or Chrollo keeping troupe members whose ability he's stolen close by. With the latter implying he used Machi's nen string to retrieve the two antennae.
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hisoka a shit
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>>143440402
>teleports behind you
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Spoilers?
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>>143453213
at some point within 24 hours
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>>143442851
Is machi dead?
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>>143454577
Not yet, unfortunately.
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>>143454577
Hisoka just bound her with his nen, although I'm not sure if his nen eventually releases...
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>>143431114
Also Chrollo told Nark he'd give him his phone back. Chrollo clearly wasn't using his own nen to summon the phone.

and as you picture points out, Chrollo seems to be using the abilities of the same 3 spiders that were in the vicinity. Chrollo would have Hisoka believe he had stolen them, but the reality was the three spiders were in the audience helping him out.
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Chrollo literally rings someone up mid fight and people still think it's a 1v1.

For the demented chrollo fags it was Shalnark on the other end of the phone, Chrollo had already given black voice back at this point.
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>>143455066
He was giving commands to a puppet you retarded fuckface speedreader
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>>143455250

Shalk (the dead spider) controls his puppets with input keys on his phone. Of course you would know how Black Voice works if you had actually read the fucking manga.

Chrollo was given direct commands to the puppter THROUGH Chrollo.
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>>143455311
*THROUGH Shalnark*
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>>143455311
That's fucking retarded, what exactly would be the point of giving orders through Shalnark instead of directly controlling the puppet? Also the fact that he was using Shal's phone and what he said to him after the fight confirms he was using his ability himself.
Take your own advice and pay attention Hisotard.
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>>143447930
Who is Killua?
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>>143455408

You're the one making up shit like Black Voice can be used with voice input.

>Also the fact that he was using Shal's phone and what he said to him after the fight confirms he was using his ability himself.

No it doesn't, it confirms Chrollo had Shalk's original phone. Which Hisoka has seen before.

You don't think Shalk can make a second phone? Of course he can.

The benefit is obiviously so he can use the other abilities at the same time, although if you had normal comprehension skills you would assume that.
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>>143449953
Nothing. Togashi shat the bed with that one.
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>>143449953
Destruction of the head, obviously.
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>>143455066
Not a chrollofag but you are literally retarded
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>>143455467
>he can make another phone
>but he can't use voice input, the thing phones are used for
The way you grasp at straws is honestly very pathetic.
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>>143455467
Don't reply to him anymore.
We already crapped all over him in this same thread with logic and he still kept posting.
Don't feed the retard.
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>>143455519
>replying to yourself
The damage control is getting out of hand
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>>143455519
>things that never happened
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>>143455519
being this mad
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>>143455510
>watermarks everywhere

For a site that demands quality when watching their anime, HxHfags sure don't care about manga.
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>>143455467
>You don't think Shalk can make a second phone? Of course he can.
Go back and reread the manga in order to find out how manipulation works.
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>>143455545
hmm
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Next chapter we get more based Bisky.
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>>143455567
here's your (you)
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>>143455567
Alright, here's some attention
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>>143455510
Using imagequalitydestroyer.net to read mangastream is very retarded as well.
But your post is right.
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>>143455621
Don't even fucking pretend mangastream is acceptable weeks after Viz releases.
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>>143455615
I hope she doesn't die. Feels like a lot of known characters will kick the bucket before the manga ends.
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>>143455640
>>143455639
Triggering autists who care about manga sites and scan quality is too fullfilling.
It shows you don't care about manga enough to obtain hard copies.
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>>143455640
The lesbian exchange between the snek zodiac and the fatrolls in the last chapter is there like the original in Mangastream's release but Kacho and Fugetsu's exchange with Melody's internal dialogue became more clear in Viz's.
.
Both have their qualities.
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>>143455722
lmao at paying for anything that can be obtained for free
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>>143455751
>lmao
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>>143455767
>i'm a newfag
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>>143455722
>lol troll u
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>>143451143
>If the Spider's were really pooling their efforts together in order to trick Hisoka then not revealing that when he revealed that Kortupi, machi, and Shalnark were nearby enough to retrieve Hisoka's body is slightly uncharacteristic of him.
A fight that involves a bunch of surprise elements to be revealed later is as clever as I'd expect from him and it's also what I'd expect if he had several years to plan it. What's uncharacteristic is having a character explain their abilities for chapters (especially right after they literally reiterated the long established idea that hiding your abilities is an important strategy), and having characters question things that don't end up getting explained (like Hisoka's internal monologue about the antennas).

At this point I can't put my finger on what exactly happened in the fight, just that it feels weird with lots of questionable moments and if there's nothing more to it then it's a heavily flawed fight by Togashi's standards. I hope for his sake and our sake that there are yet unexplained elements involved, because that would mean all that exposition was some legitimately impressive misdirection. If not, it's just excessive exposition and poor execution. For some reason if you even speculate about the team effort theory Chrollofags accuse you of being a desperate Hisokafag but really I'm just a Togashifag, and I think he's better than what we know of the fight so far.
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>>143455311
He has two command Hatsu's in that fight, Black Voice wasn't the only one.
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>>143444428
She was superstitious about reading the fortunes she wrote though.
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>tfw went to bed believing the fake spoilers

I should of known, ugly moe too strong.
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So the spoilers are still fake?
Guess we have to wait until spoiler pics.
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>>143455660

She can't die mate, don't even say that.
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Could Hisoka actually to win against Chrollo's strategy?
I still think the fight should've ended the moment Chrollo got hit by the head because Hisoka should've been able to attach Bungie Gum but he didn't 'cause he is a retard (or Hisoka can't use an intermediary between him, his aura and the opponent but that sounds like bullshit)
.
Was that Hisoka's only chance at winning?

I'm not any characterfag.
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>>143456136
>chrollo got smacked by a head but his brain still functions better than hisoka's
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There are people,

IN THIS THREAD.

That believe it was a 1v1 deathmatch.
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>>143455572
Are you saying an exact replica of Shalk's phone wouldn't work with his hatsu?

Same applies for Morels pipe.

If not, why not.
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>>143449953
>>143455472
Do you honestly believe Hisoka will have another opportunity like that, where he will see his death coming and die of suffocation? Or do you actually think CPR can save you from any situation?
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>>143430308
OP here. This thread turned to shitposting in less than 10 posts. The fight were months ago, let it go.
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>>143456554
Emotional attachment.
It would work but not as potent as the original.

>>143456605
Togashi seems to think so. Hisoka was brain dead for hours.
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>>143456644
>Hisoka was brain dead for hours
Source?
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>>143456514
Yes there are people who aren't retarded, go figure.
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>>143456654
>Death by suffocation
>Literal lack of oxygen
Minutes without oxygen to the brain and you become as retarded as living Hisoka.
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>>143456704
That's not what i asked you though
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>>143456704
If that isn't enough info for you, there were news reporter crews and bunch of health and security crews in response to the explosion.
That alone must've been AT LEAST half an hour.
Enough time.
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>>143441550
>chrollo randomly calling up and having erp with one of his blonde fuckbois
>in the middle of a match
>chrollofags actually think this is a good excuse
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>>143456783
GUESS WHAT
Shalnark is a millenial, he likes to text and is faster with it.
Chrollo is an oldfag, he prefers to use a PHONE as a PHONE.

The antennae receive the signal and BOOM, Black Voice works.

Why are you guys so stupid?
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>>143456704
he seemed more evil than usual, maybe the last bit of decency died with those oxygen deprived brain cells?
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>>143456823
I think we can all agree that it's 100% more likely that Chrollo was having phone sex with Shalnark.
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>>143456823

there's like a two year age difference between them?

they're both in their twenties.
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>>143456849
Lewd.
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>>143456849
>still has the upper hand when his hands are busy
How embarrassing for Hisoka
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>>143456849
I wonder if that panel and text was intended to be lewd.
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>no spoilers

i have a feeling we might be in for a haitus. damn you, togashi.
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>>143456757
Those were already on the way before the fight finished, Hisoka said it before he lost his hand
I think your estimation is really off
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>>143456920

There would be spoilers that there is a Haitus.
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>>143456920

that or they caught the spoiler guy.
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Do you guys think we'll ever see nen inscriptions back?

I think they're a greater mystery than first let on.
Is nen something that can be summoned with symbols? Or Ging's metal case and Wing's finger lace were just infused with their nen and if so, why the inscriptions in the first place?
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>>143456926
So
>Hisoka said that the medics should be there within 10 minutes
>News crew/medics there moments after the explosion
>Hisoka probably took a couple of minutes to die
>They managed to move his body before the medics swarmed the room
How long was he dead?
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>>143457031
You need to be dead for 40 minutes for a doctor to not bother to CPR.
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>>143456849
Chrollo must give wonderful blowjobs
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>>143457115
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>>143457076
The medics priority would be the audience members who might have survived Chrollo. In the regular world, they probably wouldn't have the time to conduct a thorough check on someone that 'obviously dead'.
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>still no spoilers
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>>143457664
Suffering
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>>143456965
I think they'l be majorly important. How? No idea.
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>>143444428
>why didn't this spoiled little girl act like BATMAN on steroids ?
>she didn't so that means Chrollo can beat batman on steroids

Not to mention that there really isn't any possible way to reason out that someone will steal your ability after explaining it from stuff like "my father will become broke". It'd be more logically to assume that you die or he re-marries.
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Hisoka's bungee gum is a more verstile Spiderman web.

Hisoka/Togashi needs to be more creative, I want to see Hisoka doing some crazy shit.
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>>143456965
Probably something to do with the DC.
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>>143457858
He remade his face, hand, and foot with fucking aura then painted it in his skin color using more aura after fighting a battle where he a giant hammer out of people hitting more people
You could say that about anything too, (x is just a more y version of z)
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>>143456849
Notice how he isn't bloodied anymore in this panel and the one where we see the right side of his face clearly, where did the wound/blood go?
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>>143457858
Yes it is but Chrollo can basically do anything.
Chrollo asks an Ai how they work and if it's based on nen, game over HxH.
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>>143457951
>You could say that about anything too, (x is just a more y version of z)

Sure but Spideys web literally has the properties of both rubber and gum.
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>>143457985
If he had time to change his clothes he had time to clean his face.
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>>143457985
Inconsistent art.
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>>143458000
It has the properties of a spider web you dumb cunt
No rubber, either.
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>>143457664
Must be another Nothing Happens: The Chapter.
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>>143457985
Chrollo was putting on a Michael Jackson show for everyone.
It had dancing, singing, costume changes and even rape.

Cleaning his bloodied face was nothing.
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>>143458079
(You)
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>>143458092
He must have cared about Hisoka a lot to give him such a grand death.
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>>143456242
Rubber and gum nen can't protect you from brain damage due to prolonged oxygen deprivation after clinical death via suffocation.
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>>143458132
But Togashi can
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>>143458047
>>143458055
>>143458092

Yeah Chrollo probably is just that fabulous, I just found it weird given how much emphasis was put on this in the Kastro fight.
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>>143458069
>rubber and web are elastic and good as shock aborbant
>gum and web are both sticky

You're retarded they have the same properties.
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>>143458132
>children can jump the height of several stores and hold their breath for longer than half an hour
>but THIS specific body condition (oxygen deprivation) has to be exactly like the real life average
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>>143458194
My cousin held his breath for 55 minutes when he was 14 years old.
He died at the 5 minute mark though.
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>>143458194
>people in this setting are just immune to brain damage due to oxygen deprivation!
>They just are!
>You can't prove they aren't!

That's a good argument.
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dumb question but can I pick off from the manga where the Anime left off? I've only watched the new HxH show, and don't know if the show cut some important stuff of that is manga only.
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>>143458227
yes? Hisoka proves it ;^) are you retarded?
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Anyone else cringe when people call Pitou "she"?
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>>143458240
Start from chapter 1
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>>143458132
Stop. You tried to start this in another thread.
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>So why have these guys never fought each other?

Because they're friends?
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>>143458240
Very interesting details in both fights and characterization are left out of the anime because they are too over the top for TV.
Like Hisoka eating his arm.
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>>143458263
Illumi doesn't consider him a friend.
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>>143458227
No one said immune, but you have to be retarded to measure all these super ninjas on steroids by average human standards. Gon and Killua were capable of inhuman adult feats when they were kids and didn't even know what Nen was. It's not far-fetched to assume that the time limit before the brain takes damage from oxygen deprivation is bigger than that for an average human being.
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>>143458263
No they're not.
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>>143458257
Actually, I'm a different anon. I've been kind of annoyed about this since it happened, but haven't actually posted anything about it until now (and hadn't seen that other anon say pretty much the same thing at the same time, which was pretty embarrassing, and not my intent).
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>>143430308
It's not like he doesn't want to fight him, I'm pretty sure Illumi wants to get rid of Hisoka too eventually, they just formed an "alliance" that is beneficial to both, if you will.

I doubt they really ARE going to fight in the manga though, unless Illumi becomes a "villain".
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>>143458263
Hisoka may be fucked up, but he's not that fucked up.
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>>143458391
>unless Illumi becomes a "villain".

He turns innocent civilians into zombies. He's a villain.
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>>143458432
>streaming
There's nothing villainous about keeping your family from dying to a disgusting fart from the DC.
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>>143458447
He is portrayed as a villain. GTFO.
Illumi wants to get Alluka to use her for easy jobs.
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>>143458447
If he cared about protecting his family, he shouldn't have needled useless fodder with zero combat capabilities.
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>>143458432
Yeah but that's not what I meant, pretty much everyone is a villain if you look at it that way.

Gon wanted to kill Komugi because muh revenge and Killua killed a lot of people too, wouldn't call either of them villains though.
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>>143458447
>There's nothing villainous about keeping your family from dying

Pretty sure you can do that without killing thousands of families. Illumi si evil, deal with it
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>good and evil in HxH

how many times do you faggots have to waste time on this topic?
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