So why have these guys never fought each other? If they did how do you think it ended?
I mean considering Hisoka's boner for even moderately strong opponents shouldn't Illumi should be looking really tastey. A 95 out of what I can only believe is a 100 point scale where Hisoka is a 100 isn't something you see everyday.
The top tier hunters, around four of the zodiacs to be precise, ranged from mid 70s to just about 90. Kuroro would probably be around Illumi's if not slightly higher. Though who knows how accurate Hisoka's measuring is.
Now that I think about it has he ever faced a really strong match besides Lucifer? I can't think of any besides Razor and that was a team effort, plus it was a game and not a death-match.
Also how does Razor stack up against the rest of the 0.001 percent Übermensch? He was certainly hot shit in Greed Island, does that still hold true?
Hisoka is a retard who thinks he's the strongest.
Chrollo wiped the floor with him, so he definitely has no chance against the Zodiacs.
Even Chrollo said that he czn fight with a team and All the hints are here. You do nothing other than denying it. How did he take the antenna? With Machi obviously, how did Hisoka manage to be so wrong about the puppet count the 2nd time? Why were those 3 ryodan who, coincidentally have these abilities watching? Chrollo trolled Hisoka and fooled him with his tactics because he didn't want to take risks.
Phinks and the rest of the Ryodan with him got cautious as soon as they saw Razor.
Remember that everything we saw from him was just a "friendly" game, and he was fighting against a team featuring Hisoka, Bisky, Gon, and Killua with nothing but himself and his own nen beasts. Fucking Ging was the guy who actually captured him in the first place.
You'd have to be a fool to think of Razor as anything but a monster on-par with the big boys like Chrollo, Silva, etc.
Then he low do you explain him using all the abilities in front of Hisoka at the beginning of the match? He uses black voice, gallery fake, and sun and moon in the arena with no way for anyone to aid him.
Stop with this bullshit he was at full power because Ging told him to do so. They never said it wastes his aura too. He is just responsible of emission spells. You think he's enough to support all these players. Razorfags...
He used them to convince Hisoka. When he hid in the crowd and used an antenna. Machi retrieved it for him. At some point he returned Kortopi's abilities for the puppet, he did the rest himself. That's what I think. But it's possible that the elder was here because of the picture with a similar looking person though I am not convinced.
Problem with that is the next chapter shows that even though he returned Shalnatk's power, without the phone he can't use his ability meaning that Chrollo couldn't have been giving commands to Shalnark during the match.
Machi is the only plausible one but even then Chrollo could have just used an actual wire or stolen her ability as well.
>The Zodiacs are overrated, the combat-oriented Spiders and Zoldyks outclass them.
Eh, depends on the Zodiac.
We shouldn't forget Mizai's paralysis card either. That thing could spell instant death for crazy killers like the spiders the Zoldycks who'd be unphased by his warning.
Anon, I didn't say he gave orders to Shalnark. The tactic he used to blow Hisoka's hands only required two antenna s, he can do it alone. I am only saying that Machi took the antenna for him and he returned Kortopi's ability to make more copies for him. The rest he can do it alone. So for me it was a 3vs1 at least and 4vs1 at worst. But I don't believe much in the 4vs1.
Pariston is only "weak" by Zodiac standards. He's still far beyond the average nen user.
>it's been over a month
>Hisotards are still delusional about how their gay magician got his ass handed to him by Chrollo
>they are so mad they imagine other people fighting with him
Never gets old, is there a group of people as pathetic as them?
I am not a Hisokafag. I am totally unbiased. Try to add something to contradict me instead of baiting. It's boring. Hisoka lost, but that was not fair. Because Chrollo doesn't give a fuck about fairness to begin with. He took what he wanted, baited and fooled Hisoka to win at 100%. Can't a Chrollofag accept that? Machi took the antenna and Kortopi made more copies to support him
>Ging, Paris, Cheadle, and Mizai all sense it
>Leorio doesn't notice a thing
You can't be this dense.
If Pariston was a total weakling, Netero would have stopped at making him vice-chairman instead of appointing him as a Zodiac too. Beyond wouldn't have made him his #2 either.
>300 clones in 5 minutes
>1 clone every second of fight
>applying sun/moon seals
I know Hisoka is more confident than dangerous, but that's still pretty fast.
Did you read what was said? Also, what difference at this point does it make? The very nature of Chrollo's ability makes the concept of fairness null and void anyway.
Hisoka rated them all lower than Illumi, who's almost certainly weaker than his father and grandfather, who couldn't kill Chrollo in a 2-on-1 though they had him on the defensive.
>he is strong because he sensed Nanika's power
Fucking idiot, even veterans say they've never felt anything like it. This isn't conclusive proof at all, and Leorio is a rookie who only learned nen recently.
>Netero would have stopped at making him vice-chairman instead of appointing him as a Zodiac too
He wouldn't be vice-president if he wasn't a Zodiac, they're the guys Netero put in charge of the association. He only hired him because he knew he'd give him trouble.
>Beyond wouldn't have made him his #2 either
What's your reasoning behind this? Since when are they ranked by power?
Why does everyone in these shitty threads keep posting their dumb headcanons and pretend they're facts? Someone explain this to me.
Pariston think like Ging, which is a good point for him.
But I'm still surprised he's panicking so fast when Ging enters Beyond's crew to be the #2. He's acting as if that was difficult to take his place, or to know about this plan, but that was really easy to find them and to federate them.
I was referring to the picture posted as "proof" of a 4v1. For your comment I have to ask why he would bother with all the other work arounds for multiple clones if he was going to let kortupi do it for him later? >>143435949
There is none. Only hints but you see, you are unable to disprove it with argument because it makes sense. You just reject it like a retard. I am here to discuss about the manga not to take part in overly biased fan wars.
Same for you. Just try to disprove it with something convincing.
>and Leorio is a rookie who only learned nen recently.
He learned it over a year before the election took place, and had the time to develop TWO decent abilities like Warping Punch and Sonar.
Leorio is the weakest MC, but Hisoka included him the toy box for a reason.
It was not fair faggot. Even In the explications there were traps. He had prep to make sure of his victory. Even Machi agrees. You can't be that much of a retard even if you like Chrollo more, can you?
His father maybe, but his grandfather is pretty old while Illumi is up and coming, it's probably arguable who's stronger.
You have to consider that part of Illumi's strength is that he can control a large number of people at the same time and that he's absolutely ruthless, plus he's all business unlike Hisoka who likes to fuck around so much. He basically sees everything as means to an end.
You do know it doesn't mean they are weaker right? No one knows their abilities . What they can guess like that are basic stats. Illumi has a stronger aura than Ginta, Kanzai and Piyon.
Strategy he took months to prepare hence making it unfair.
Hisoka didn't choose to fight here. Chrollo did, and for good reasons. The conditions were perfect for his combos and he knew Bungee Gum. He prepared everything ahead and knew what to expected while Hisoka had to make strategies on the fly. It's like starting a test knowing what will be the questions beforehand.
Hisoka was the one who wanted to fight Chrollo. He had years to come up with a strategy and he didn't, even after letting Chrollo know that he intended to fight and kill him. The fact that he didn't doesn't change the fact that it was 100% fair, it just means Hisoka is a complete retard.
Retard, Hisoka didn't make any strategy, he just went along with what Chrollo wanted.
That's why he was so disappointed when he learned that Chrollo was planning this whole fight for months.
>he just went along with what Chrollo wanted
And? That's completely irrelevant to wether or not it was fair.
>he was so disappointed when he learned that Chrollo was planning this whole fight for months
What? When was he disappointed? He was extremely thrilled about it, he even jizzed himself and praised him. He was only disappointed because he got his ass fucked sideways.
Don't make me search for the chapters. I don't know if he was disappointed that Chrollo planned the fight for months or because the way Chrollo fought him (using the public and not himself), but he was visibly disappointed when he learned that Chrollo wasn't going to fight him in person. That's the reason why he was so butthurt afterwards, and the main reason he killed Kortopi and Shalnark.
He only expressed disappointment when he realized he couldn't pick apart Chrollo's strategy. He literally had an orgasm/boner and kept calling him devious and shit, he was clearly enjoying the fight.
He only was salty because it was a humiliating defeat and his ego is too big to admit it was all his fault for not being prepared and just showing up expecting to win.
Why did Chrollo rape Hisoka if he likes him?
Let's see how Hisoka's mind works, shall we?
>Fool everyone, including the members, into thinking you've joined a group of world wide thiefs and assassins because you want to fight their leader
>Stay in the group for years waiting for a oppotunity for such fight, working with them in many jobs (it is however implied that Hisoka skipped one or multiples of their reunions)
>The leader loses the ability to use his weapon and Hisoka goes with him in a journey to recover his ability, the agreement is that after they conclude their journey, they fight
>Journey takes at least a year or so to complete
>Preparations for the fight happen over some months
>Chrollo meticulously planned every possible scenario
>Hisoka never tried to spy on Chrollo to get information, not even knowing how many abilities Chrollo has
>Hisoka gets literally BTFO
This. This was not fair. That's All I am saying.
No. Hisoka wanted to fight but he is not the one who chose the time and place. Chrollo avoided him all this time because he knew he'd be able to bait him. Skill Hunter must be separated from Chrollo to be stopped and he can add abilities with various strength and weaknesses. It is not as easy to think of Counter strategies as it is for Bungee Gum. Chrollo did everything to be sure to win. Hisoka should have refused to fight under these unfair conditions but he didn't.
So it's unfair because Hisoka didn't manage to stop Chrollo from gaining more abilities? And it's also unfair because Hisoka still accepted to fight Chrollo even though he gave him several chances to back off?
You Hisokafags sure are something else.
Literally NOTHING is fair to the loser you retard. What people are telling you is that it is not an argument.
Meruem got BTFO because he didn't know humans made such a powerful weapon.
Is it fair? Of course it is. We (as in, humanity) won.
No. Because he had advantages that Hisoka had not even before the fight that's unfair. You are just trying to embelish it. He's a thief and fought like a thief. Without prep it would have not been so one sided don't you agree?
>Hisokafags getting btfo in this thread almost as hard as their shit clown a few chapters ago
>it's unfair because he was prepared
You are one stupid fuck, there was nothing preventing Hisoka from preparing himself as well but he didn't. Chrollo not being a fucking retard like Hisoka and stacking the odds in his favor doesn't make it unfair.
As a matter of fact Hisoka had even more time to come up with a strategy, so if anything it was unfair to Chrollo.
Not him but why he didn't choose the time and place? Isn't he the one who wanted to fight?
AFAWK, they could've rolled a coin Troupe style and Chrollo won.
What is more likely though, is that Hisoka got into his edgeclown mode and just wanted to fight anywhere and since both are Floor Masters, Chrollo /innocently/ suggested Heaven's Arena and Hisoka fell for it.
What an idiot. Netero lost to Meryem fair and square he said revealing his name would mean his defeat and he knew he'd lose. The bomb was more humanity vs ants. It killed Meryem and 2 guards. The fight was over when he exploded.
Use your brain faggot. Chrollo gave him chances to back off because he knew the conditions were unfair to Hisoka.
>No. Because he had advantages that Hisoka had not even before the fight that's unfair.
Like what time for planning and preparations?
Hisoka could have easily done the same.
Chosing the battlefield?
If Hisoka wasn't thinking with his fighter-dick he wouldn't have accepeted. That is on Hisoka, Chrollo doesn't have to cuddle his enemy.
Talking about fair and unfair doesn't make sense because apparently every loser will claim their fight was unfair. They lost, too bad so sad.
How were they unfair? They both had the same amount of time to prepare for the fight. They both started the fight on the ring. There was nothing unfair about it, Hisoka being a cocky retard who thought he'd win without prep doesn't change anything.
See? I am saying that it's partly Hisoka fault but Chrollo used his time to his advantage. What Hisoka did was due to his arrogance but Chrollo was way ahead due to the time he took for the plan. By accepting to fight at the arena where Chrollo had set up everything Hisoka was already behind.
That's some definition of 'unfair'. Would you also deem it unfair when boxers in the real world use their time to train harder? The fact that Chrollo used his time to stack the deck in his favor is the same thing.
Would you also say that Gon vs. Bomber was unfair?
Because everything he planned depended on thefact that he'd fight at heavens arena. It was basically a trap for Hisoka. He set up everything then made Hisoka come. It was one sided because of the prep and nothing else.
I don't understand how this contradicts anything i've said. Please answer this question with a yes or no, are you saying it is unfair because Chrollo actually used his time, unlike Hisoka?
>i-it wasn't fair!
Hisokafags are an infinite source of butthurt, you could power an entire city with it.
Saying because he used his brain is oversimplifying it. It's not like Hisoka didn't think of strategies during the fight. But Chrollo had thought of everything even before it. The place was crucial and the battle was under his favorable conditions. He never accepted to fight before for that reason.
Chrollo's strategies were much more thought out and elaborate, so he clearly used his brain better. There was nothing preventing Hisoka from thinking about it either, they had an equal amount of prep time.
If Hisoka couldn't force him to fight it just means he's an incompetent, it's completely unrelated to fairness.
So everytime an underdog wins it's unfair? It's pretty simple, everything is fair game. To label something unfair in a nen-battle is what losers do in order to explain away their failings.
Gon's team came up with a careful strategy and used the circumstances to their advantage. I don't see what's unfair about it, why aren't you saying that it's unfair because Genthru is more experienced and older than Gon?
So what class of ant is he/she?
Grunt, commander, royal guard or prince?
No one said he didn't lose. You lack reading comprehension. Some fags want to force the idea that Chrollo the thief was fair because reasons even though the source itself says that Chrollo had ideal conditions.
This thread is like a 4v1.
4 Chrollo fags arguing with 1 Hisoka shitter.
When will it all end?
Ideal conditions? So let's say Hisoka hadn't eaten that day and Chrollo had, would that be unfair? What about inherent abilities and strength? How far should we go before it does and doesn't classify as 'fair'?
>Hisocucks are still pedalling their pathetic fanfiction
You guys are worse than Remain voters.
We don't consider the opponent physical stage when we fight. This is your own choice to make. Abilities are their weapons. It was under Chrollo's ideal conditions because he made a whole plan revolving on the arena and public. Chrollo had advantages, Hisoka had none. If Chrollo had been fine whatever the place and without considerable prep no one would have had advantages. Got it?
Because you can manipulate the public in a chess match? It was a fight without rules. Chess has rules and saying he jacked off is stupid since he definitely practiced nen. Chrollo imposed his favorable conditions and needed to be at heavens arena. Being anywhere else would have stopped his plan.
>Can't kill him even after tricking him into a 4v1
Chess and nen fights both revolve around strategies. Chrollo had one and Hisoka didn't. You're just talking about details that fall under the strategy i was talking about.
Hisoka definitely didn't prepare for this fight at all considering he had no plan and expected to be able to pick Chrollo's strategy apart and win.
Completely pointless question. It's basically impossible to gauge Chrollos abilities because he can have whatever the fuck he wants.
Nothing. But it is evident that he was disadvantaged. It's as simple as that. Without these advantages Chrollo would have ran away forever. You get it? Chrollo didn't want to fight without advantages. Isn't it? He only stopped to run away because he was sure to win under these conditions.
If he killed him then why is he alive?
>refusing to acknowledge numerous hints by togashi
Hisoka is physically stronger if that chart is anything to go by; that toss isn't anything impressive in the grand scheme of the series. Their speed is also similar.
Chrollo's book is just so diverse it allows him to fight in any number of ways, combined with his intelligence and nen mastery it means Togashi could write him into virtually any fight and give him a way to win.
Hisoka lost the moment he let Chrollo dictate the terms of the fight. He was humbled and now wants to fight him in a more neutral setting which would be interesting to see.
How is the fact that Hisoka couldn't get Chrollo to fight him "unfair"? That just shows Hisoka is inferior to Chrollo. Neither of them had any disadvantages, they both had complete freedom to do anything they wanted.
>Chess and nen fights both revolve around strategies
Oversimplifying much? Chess is just strategy. In Nen battles strategy support your combat ability. To be prepared you practice Nen to improve.
>If he killed him then why is he alive?
Because Ishida begged at Togashi's feet like the pathetic cretin he is.
>expects 20-30 clones, 200 come. (Kortopi)
>antenna disappeared, probably a fishing line!" (Machi)
>gives intructions down the phone, when black voice is normally input by buttons (shalnark)
>shit estimation, underestimated Chrollo again
>literally could have just used an actual thread instead of a nen ability
>told Shalnark to crouch and then informed him he lost his antennas for no reason
You're a sweet kid but you're not very bright
>How is the fact that Hisoka couldn't get Chrollo to fight him "unfair
Wtf stop saying things I never did. Chrollo fought this time because he was sure of his win. He says it himself. Why didn't he fight all this time? Because he was not sure he'd win. So he planned everything to be sure he'd win. It's so simple.
Yes, and i'm asking you how that is unfair exactly. He was only able to do it because Hisoka couldn't get him to fight. It's all on Hisoka's incompetence, there's nothing unfair about it.
You are pretty stupid anon.
Physically? Yes but physical strength is not all that matters in Nen battles. You seem to think that I am saying Chrollo would lose without advantages. I am not saying that though I am not saying that he'd win either. I am saying that he only accepted because this time, under these conditions, he was sure to win. Otherwise he would have always avoided Hisoka.
Why are you Hisocucks STILL trying to push your dumb headcanon weeks after the fight ended? Your guy lost, Chrollo won. Let it go.
And i'm asking you how that is unfair exactly. It is just like the chess analogy said, it's on Hisoka for not coming up with a strategy himself and not being able to stop Chrollo from elaborating his strategy.
>Your guy lost, Chrollo won.
I don't think that's the issue. The arguments seem to not so much deny that Chrollo won, it's a factor of power and how one sided it was.
The toss isn't supposed to be impressive.
Chrollo is literally chucking people at Hisoka after already winning.
If you don't remember, Hisoka kicked one of the floor's tile into the ceiling in his fight against Gon.
Physical strength wasn't the point of this fight but rather how retarded Hisoka is for fighting someone with multiple abilities while said someone knew his abilities.
How utter confidence leads to an ego so fucked up, it leads to people being thrown at you lamo
And who said the opposite? I am only starting that the conditions favored Chrollo but apparently his dans think that was not the case when he said it himself. Hisoka thought he could overcome his strategy and that was his mistake.
Looks to me 2 legs have been brutally chopped of the spider.
>Cuckrollo: Salty as fuck
>Hisoka clearly understimated Chrollo since the start of the fight
>or it could have been an actual thread, which would have been far more practical
>Chrollo somehow would ask Shalnark to command a puppet instead of just giving orders himself, while using Shalnark's phone
It disappeared because he lost his hand, same reason he couldn't project it from his lost foot
Do you Hisokafags really have no dignity? I just feel bad seeing you embarass yourselves like this
Starting a battle with numerous advantages means that the opponent is disadvantaged. Hisoka is at fault for accepting under these conditions but it doesn't change this fact. He was disadvantaged and chose to fight disadvantaged despite Chrollo's warnings.
Are you retarded? Hisoka was cocky and I said it. He was fine fighting under Chrollo's conditions but it doesn't change that the conditions were fair to him since Chrollo fought because he had gathered the tools to win at 100℅
It's revealed Chrollo 4v1'd Hisoka.
How would you respond, would you call Togashi a shit writer and a hack in your Chrollo rage?
Think objectively for a second and don't say something retarded like "it doesn't matter because it will never happen". This is a hypothetical.
Trick question, it's so incoherent and retarded it's not even worth considering.
Not him but how would I respond?
Why didn't Hisoka just called four of his friends to eliminate this pesky retard who's been trying to fight him for years now?
It never mattered if it was a 1v1 or a 4v1. It only matters the outcome.
Hisoka lost and resurrected, now they are gonna fight again. The end.
>Being so buttblasted about the result you can only console yourself with hypothetical headcanon scenarios
yes yes well done Chrollo, well done Chrollo ... HOWEVER
RIP Shalnark and Kortopi
Just a reminder that Hisoka got 2 kills in a supposed 1v1 deathmatch.
It's impossible for Chrollo to make 300 copies in 5 minutes, but it's completely possible for him + Kortopi to make 150 each in 5 minutes?
You're pulling these "hints" out of your ass.
>Hisoka gets ONE (1) decent hit in on Chrollo the entire match
>Chrollo kicks the living shit out him multiple times
>Stomps on his face
>Puts him on the ruse cruise
>Blows his hand off
>Blows his leg off
>Literally baseball pitches audience members at him
>He even has the time to try on different clothes
>Does Michael Jackson poses while dodging his attacks
>Just 9/11's the shit out of him
>Styles on him so bad he doesn't even have to fight
>Outright kills him with no effort at all
>The clown is so salty and frustrated over being BTFO so easily by Chrollo that he resorts to killing his friends but is too much of a weak pussy to go after Chrollo himself
What does it take to kill this clown to death?
I wouldn't mind being killed in such a stylish manner.
Chrollo is so comfy that it gives me an urge to leap
There's no point in arguing whether or not Chrollo or Hisoka is more powerful than the other because if not for Hisoka's sense of 'fairness' Chrollo would have died right after Pika regardless of how good Skill Hunter is.
It doesn't really make sense for Chrollo to job so hard to Pika, though. His power is such a wildcard that he could theoretically counter every nen user, even the chimera ants, especially w/ bookmark if he stole the right set.
The whole idea that Hisoka could ever beat Chrollo one on one in a non anticlimatic way is incredibly stupid, especially if the bookmark already exists. My theory is the whole Hisoka vs Chrollo fight was to please asinine powerlevel fags because there is no way that Hisoka could actually counter a fight with no drawbacks.
That being said, it'd be dumb to complain that the most powerful nen user is now even more OP thanks to two simultaneous abilities is cheating since his skills are such that he could use theoretically any ability in the entire manga. That being said, I wouldn't put it past Chrollo to cheat and use the other spiders to ensure that Hisoka is dead while pretending to give him the fight that he wanted all along (a good death.)
That being said, Hisoka's revival is not exactly unexpected or an asspull. Firstly he's one of the most popular characters despite having a shit skillset and is interesting to read. Secondly his abilities have a whole bunch of medical applications from scaffolding to more accurate CPR than could ever be imitated by modern medicine. Not to mention Chrollo just said immediately prior that 'nen abilities can grow stronger after death'. Furthermore, you cannot argue that the death of a powerless Kortopi and Shalnark was cheating since the nature of Chrollo's powers are essentially cheating. Power copiers/power parasites are literal storybreakers and who's to say that with Chrollo's extremely overpowered future telling he didn't forsee Hisoka's revival?
I'm a Hisokafag and Chrollofag.
It's the new "Cute Slav squatting outside his local off-license downing a bottle of cheap cider he bought with the change he pickpocketed from old women" look.
>the two people whose skills are vital to his plan just happen to be in the same city at the same time
>creates more clones then is physically possible within the time limit of the fight
>final chapters of the fight are called 'disappointment' aka disappointed got cheated out of muh 1v1
>hisoka, someone who loves fighting more then anything suddenly decides to ambush spiders for no reason, actually punishing the people who ruined his fight
I'm not saying hisoka would definitely win a fair fight, but chrollo was apparently too scared to find out.
Do we even have an actual timetable for the fight? We don't know how much time takes place between chrollo disappearing into the audience and the clones starting their attack so it's weird for people to say that there wasn't enough time when we actually don't know how much time elapsed.
Just read out hisoka's thoughts and you have a rough timeframe. To create the amount of clones that rush him chrollo would need more then 10 minutes uninterrupted, or an ally constantly producing more.
Illumi is not nearly as important or edgy enough to defeat plot armor clown. And besides, the numbers don't mean much. There are tens if not hundreds of people that have a fighting chance against the spiders but ultimately lose because Hisoka is simply much more creative and perceptive.
The only reason 'fairness' exists is so that the manga can. Chrollo would have broken the entire manga by stealing a Chimera Ant's powers during that arc (hence why he got excluded from that) and it's not exactly entertaining for salivating fans to watch Chrollo nuke Hisoka before he can even react due to his extremely exploitable powers or for Hisoka to kill Chrollo when he's nenless. Authors want to tell some kind of interesting if not convenient story so powerlevels aren't ever the be all and end all.
Chrollo's a guy who took on two Zoldycks head-on while holding back and someone Zeno insinuated could kill him if he went all-out. Anyone who thinks Chrollo is scared of Hisoka is straight up delusional.
>Chimera Ant's powers
like? most of the ant's powers were dealt with and the king/royal guard are dangerous because they're strong not because of special nen powers. what is he going to steal the kings ability to eat people and take their nen..?
Your argument falls apart in your opening phrase.
Chrollo wasn't part of the CA arc because of the situation Togashi made with the conclusion of Yorknew.
Chrollo wouldn't be able to do shit against the RG ants, even with his nen. Nenless, he'd just be another sack of meat.
then why did he use his troupe as backup? Also chrollo straight up says hisoka has the record for amount of abilities needed to win, so he obviously considers him a major threat.
>Chrollo wasn't part of the CA arc because of the situation Togashi made with the conclusion of Yorknew.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he thought it was convenient to put CA right after Yorknew for that reason.
Whether or not you think hisoka is a chump for getting tricked and killed, it's pretty much a fact that something else was going on in the fight, there are just too many irregularities.
after a little bit of reading now i know that everyone isn't talking anymore about the question of the thread anyway, then, can you answer why the fuck is so shitty the art of the manga? i mean, i like too much HXH but man...they could put more effort
He wasn't part of the CA arc because a) There's so many characters that it would be impossible to insert them all without writing a GRRM length novel and even that falls apart because of the number of POV as well as the number of characters one would need to draw which is extraordinarily time consuming, b) it's convenient not to let a power stealer into an arc with plenty of OP abilities and c) It would distract from the Meruem tale he wanted to tell.
>Good luck shutting down Youpi
He 'shut down' a person who was able to perceive the future and whose ability should have in fact provided the most protection from stealing.
Oda has at least 2 or more assistants.
Kishimoto had just as much.
Many other mangaka have at least one assistant.
Togashi is so autistic he wants to draw it all by himself. At one point in time, he couldn't even move right and was still drawing by himself (hence some incredibly shit art and so many hiatuses).
>He wasn't part of the CA arc because a) There's so many characters that it would be impossible to insert them all without writing a GRRM length novel and even that falls apart because of the number of POV as well as the number of characters one would need to draw which is extraordinarily time consuming, b) it's convenient not to let a power stealer into an arc with plenty of OP abilities and c) It would distract from the Meruem tale he wanted to tell.
Literally what I said. You just explained ot.
>He 'shut down' a person who was able to perceive the future and whose ability should have in fact provided the most protection from stealing.
Have you read the manga? You can't predict your own future.
>you will never have a love this pure
What's your favorite design for any given character
I love early CA Gon. He is pulling off the Uremeshi look well.
>Have you read the manga? You can't predict your own future.
There is nothing stopping you from predicting the future of absolutely everyone you interact with on a daily basis from the guards to your family members. If she predicted that her father's fortune collapse she could make up for the blind spot. Not to mention her fortune might be inextricably intertwined with someone else's and she'd just end up predicting her own fortune by proxy.
You stated 'You can't predict your own future.' I asked, 'to what extent can't you predict your own future if it is related to someone else's?'
If you didn't want to discuss this particular point, then perhaps in the future you should avoid raising the point in the first place.
No, you didn't ask. You stated it as a fact.
Had you asked, I'd tell you that that's what Chrollo did, changing his mind just a little.everytime an unwanted outcome came from the prophecy.
But the first talk point was that Neon wouldn't ever be able to predict her own power being stolen because Chrollo didn't interact with anyone from the Nostrade family besides Neon.
Let's suppose that Chrollo was in the CA and he wanted Youpi's power.
Future prediction is useless since Chrollo hasn't fulfilled any of the abilities pre-requisites to write Youpi's future.
Now tell me how would Chrollo steal from Youpi, given the abilities we know he has.
I said that he stole an ability from a person who is able to tell the future and should have therefore been able to completely prevent themselves from losing their power due to the nature of their power and this task would have been more difficult/impossible than Youpi because of the intrinsic nature of the future telling power.
Like, which iteration.
You're drawing in absolutes and forgetting characteristics.
Neon wasn't a strategist, a fighter or even aware that what she was doing was actually nen. Ghost Writer, to her, was just something she did, it wasn't something she mastered.
Maintaining her family's status as Mafia Boss with predictions sounds like a fairly complex task. Although her opinion was only used to inform her father's decisions, one has to question the degree of predictive accuracy and mastery required to navigate the relationships between potentially hundreds of people all with ulterior motives. I can understand where your points are coming from though.
depends if Hisoka lets Chrollo fulfill the conditions to be able to use multiple abilities. if he attacks Chrollo immediately, he might win. if not, he'll probably get butt fucked again depending on what strategies Chrollo employs.
I believe that Ghost Writer works much like Something/Ai. It draws its power from something else rather than the user.
It doesn't require mastery, just that you're able to use it.
Neon has been doing predictions since she was a child and despite us not really understanding how it works, the only thing I could see Neon do to affect the effectiveness of Ghost Writer, is her increasing her vocabulary but even that I think is irrelevant. Ghost Writer is independent from the user.
It's scope is just TOO grand. It can go from a meteor falling on your head to a oxidizing molecule in your bathtub.
But in addition to Hisoka's thoughts we do have dead space and moments where he's fighting clones which would also serve as time to make more clones for Chrollo. I think it's fairly reasonable for a gallery fake to pump out as many clones as it did within the timeframe of the fight. Moreso when you realize that cloning is instantaneous going off of York Shin, and Chrollo is very fast.
Why do speedreaders think Hisoka is 'salty' about losing? He's totally not, he admits he fucked first thing after coming back to life.
Hisoka's not motivated by anger, in fact I don't think he's ever been angry once in the entire fucking series. He's killing the spiders because A) his boner for Chrollo has gotten even bigger B) he wants to force Chrollo to chase him now so he can control the circumstances of the fight and C) he wants to break Chrollo and realized the best way to do it would be by killing all his friends. It's that simple
I'm hoping that that will get expanded on further in DC. I feel like Chrollo's Ghostwriter is going to be a very important plot point one day which is why I think that Hisoka is unlikely to succeed in killing him in this current arc.
Illumi has a more versatile control type but I'd say Black Voice is still better. The degree of control is safer, you don't destroy your victims mind and make them berserkers which means that a Black Voice puppet can be discreet.
Illumi can impart single commands but it destroys the hosts mind. Otherwise he needs to pump them full of needles to get information out of them or control them.
Since nen can become stronger through death, and Hisoka can bring himself back from the dead, what's to stop him from killing himself and reviving over and over until his nen has the properties of rubber AND gum AND God Almighty?
taking into account chrollo's speed and seeing him make a clone, hisoka estimated there were 30 remaining, seconds before he was rushed by hundreds. chrollo used convert hands to disguise kortopi and have him generate puppets all match.
Thing is Hisoka mentions in the next page that if left alone, Chrollo will create a new clone at a rate of one every couple seconds. Hisoka also mentioned the page before that with sun/moon factoring into clone persistence his estimation was off (he thinks it's lower).
Then while he's searching the crowd from the arena there are two pages of him just standing there while the crowd get's whipped into a frenzy by some of Chrollo's clones. But he waits for an indeterminate amount of time.
Togashi is pretty good at keeping all the relevant elements to a fight within the fight itself, and any surprises or nuances get shown to the audience within the duration of the fight. If the Spider's were really pooling their efforts together in order to trick Hisoka then not revealing that when he revealed that Kortupi, machi, and Shalnark were nearby enough to retrieve Hisoka's body is slightly uncharacteristic of him. The follow up conversation with Shalnark is also interesting because if Chrollo did give back the troupe abilities he stole while the match was still happening, wouldn't having a persistent Black Voice threat provided by Shalnark have been more advantageous? Instead we clearly see Chrollo using the phone and still being in possession of it after the match.
The only troupe member I can see being there would be Machi, but her presence is explained by her either getting paid by Hisoka/being sentimental, and/or Chrollo keeping troupe members whose ability he's stolen close by. With the latter implying he used Machi's nen string to retrieve the two antennae.
Also Chrollo told Nark he'd give him his phone back. Chrollo clearly wasn't using his own nen to summon the phone.
and as you picture points out, Chrollo seems to be using the abilities of the same 3 spiders that were in the vicinity. Chrollo would have Hisoka believe he had stolen them, but the reality was the three spiders were in the audience helping him out.
Chrollo literally rings someone up mid fight and people still think it's a 1v1.
For the demented chrollo fags it was Shalnark on the other end of the phone, Chrollo had already given black voice back at this point.
Shalk (the dead spider) controls his puppets with input keys on his phone. Of course you would know how Black Voice works if you had actually read the fucking manga.
Chrollo was given direct commands to the puppter THROUGH Chrollo.
That's fucking retarded, what exactly would be the point of giving orders through Shalnark instead of directly controlling the puppet? Also the fact that he was using Shal's phone and what he said to him after the fight confirms he was using his ability himself.
Take your own advice and pay attention Hisotard.
You're the one making up shit like Black Voice can be used with voice input.
>Also the fact that he was using Shal's phone and what he said to him after the fight confirms he was using his ability himself.
No it doesn't, it confirms Chrollo had Shalk's original phone. Which Hisoka has seen before.
You don't think Shalk can make a second phone? Of course he can.
The benefit is obiviously so he can use the other abilities at the same time, although if you had normal comprehension skills you would assume that.
Not a chrollofag but you are literally retarded
The lesbian exchange between the snek zodiac and the fatrolls in the last chapter is there like the original in Mangastream's release but Kacho and Fugetsu's exchange with Melody's internal dialogue became more clear in Viz's.
Both have their qualities.
>If the Spider's were really pooling their efforts together in order to trick Hisoka then not revealing that when he revealed that Kortupi, machi, and Shalnark were nearby enough to retrieve Hisoka's body is slightly uncharacteristic of him.
A fight that involves a bunch of surprise elements to be revealed later is as clever as I'd expect from him and it's also what I'd expect if he had several years to plan it. What's uncharacteristic is having a character explain their abilities for chapters (especially right after they literally reiterated the long established idea that hiding your abilities is an important strategy), and having characters question things that don't end up getting explained (like Hisoka's internal monologue about the antennas).
At this point I can't put my finger on what exactly happened in the fight, just that it feels weird with lots of questionable moments and if there's nothing more to it then it's a heavily flawed fight by Togashi's standards. I hope for his sake and our sake that there are yet unexplained elements involved, because that would mean all that exposition was some legitimately impressive misdirection. If not, it's just excessive exposition and poor execution. For some reason if you even speculate about the team effort theory Chrollofags accuse you of being a desperate Hisokafag but really I'm just a Togashifag, and I think he's better than what we know of the fight so far.
>tfw went to bed believing the fake spoilers
I should of known, ugly moe too strong.
She can't die mate, don't even say that.
Could Hisoka actually to win against Chrollo's strategy?
I still think the fight should've ended the moment Chrollo got hit by the head because Hisoka should've been able to attach Bungie Gum but he didn't 'cause he is a retard (or Hisoka can't use an intermediary between him, his aura and the opponent but that sounds like bullshit)
Was that Hisoka's only chance at winning?
I'm not any characterfag.
There are people,
IN THIS THREAD.
That believe it was a 1v1 deathmatch.
Do you honestly believe Hisoka will have another opportunity like that, where he will see his death coming and die of suffocation? Or do you actually think CPR can save you from any situation?
If that isn't enough info for you, there were news reporter crews and bunch of health and security crews in response to the explosion.
That alone must've been AT LEAST half an hour.
Shalnark is a millenial, he likes to text and is faster with it.
Chrollo is an oldfag, he prefers to use a PHONE as a PHONE.
The antennae receive the signal and BOOM, Black Voice works.
Why are you guys so stupid?
I think we can all agree that it's 100% more likely that Chrollo was having phone sex with Shalnark.
Do you guys think we'll ever see nen inscriptions back?
I think they're a greater mystery than first let on.
Is nen something that can be summoned with symbols? Or Ging's metal case and Wing's finger lace were just infused with their nen and if so, why the inscriptions in the first place?
>Hisoka said that the medics should be there within 10 minutes
>News crew/medics there moments after the explosion
>Hisoka probably took a couple of minutes to die
>They managed to move his body before the medics swarmed the room
How long was he dead?
The medics priority would be the audience members who might have survived Chrollo. In the regular world, they probably wouldn't have the time to conduct a thorough check on someone that 'obviously dead'.
>why didn't this spoiled little girl act like BATMAN on steroids ?
>she didn't so that means Chrollo can beat batman on steroids
Not to mention that there really isn't any possible way to reason out that someone will steal your ability after explaining it from stuff like "my father will become broke". It'd be more logically to assume that you die or he re-marries.
He remade his face, hand, and foot with fucking aura then painted it in his skin color using more aura after fighting a battle where he a giant hammer out of people hitting more people
You could say that about anything too, (x is just a more y version of z)
He must have cared about Hisoka a lot to give him such a grand death.
>children can jump the height of several stores and hold their breath for longer than half an hour
>but THIS specific body condition (oxygen deprivation) has to be exactly like the real life average
Stop. You tried to start this in another thread.
No one said immune, but you have to be retarded to measure all these super ninjas on steroids by average human standards. Gon and Killua were capable of inhuman adult feats when they were kids and didn't even know what Nen was. It's not far-fetched to assume that the time limit before the brain takes damage from oxygen deprivation is bigger than that for an average human being.
Actually, I'm a different anon. I've been kind of annoyed about this since it happened, but haven't actually posted anything about it until now (and hadn't seen that other anon say pretty much the same thing at the same time, which was pretty embarrassing, and not my intent).
It's not like he doesn't want to fight him, I'm pretty sure Illumi wants to get rid of Hisoka too eventually, they just formed an "alliance" that is beneficial to both, if you will.
I doubt they really ARE going to fight in the manga though, unless Illumi becomes a "villain".
>unless Illumi becomes a "villain".
He turns innocent civilians into zombies. He's a villain.
Yeah but that's not what I meant, pretty much everyone is a villain if you look at it that way.
Gon wanted to kill Komugi because muh revenge and Killua killed a lot of people too, wouldn't call either of them villains though.
>There's nothing villainous about keeping your family from dying
Pretty sure you can do that without killing thousands of families. Illumi si evil, deal with it
>good and evil in HxH
how many times do you faggots have to waste time on this topic?