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What happened to classic fantasy in anime?
Remember the sophistication of the genre 10+ years ago with works like Berserk and Lodoss? Why are modern fantasy anime so reliant on the "trapped in an MMO" cliché? What happened to my favorite genre /a/?
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Bumping with fantasy cuties.
>inb4 go back to /tg/
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Anime isn't bad to the ass anymore.
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>>141879116
Anime used to be badass.

Now it's just bad and ass.
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>>141879214

I concur, good sir.
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>>141879214
true

we still get a few badass ones in the shonenshit category, but it's weird to think that not so long ago, even cutesy anime for girls had fight scenes and monsters and shit.
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Seems someone hasn't been watching anime for decades.

OP is a fag and 0 points.
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>>141879053
>Remember the sophistication of the genre 10+ years ago with works like Berserk and Lodoss?
I'm not saying it's less sophisticated than now, but dang son, I hope you're pretending.
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>>141879053
You've excellent taste, but you already should know why we won't get more quality anime. The industry has been in decline since 2005, the quality of the 80's and 90's can't be brought back.
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Pandering to the kid generation and rampant censorship. They realize they can make loads more money with watered down bullshit and feeding it to children than making masterpieces like they used to.
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>>141879293
>>141879214
>>141879116
It isn't about badassery. It's about the lack of love for the genre. The beauty of medieval fantasy has been sapped as of late in favor of MMO-shit. At least there's a few gems in manga like Helck, and Dungeon Meshi (although it's more of a comedy).
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>>141879053
>elves
Completely stupid idea, humans with pointy ears only faggots with fetishs would support this horrible excuse for another sapient species.
>centaurs
Gross

What annoys about most fanstasy anime is there is no originality its literally copy paste of medieval european crap thats been done many times its stale and horrible. I mean fanstasy should be the most original anime genre since fanstasy doesnt obey logic or reality.
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>>141879393
>hating elves
Get the hell out of this thread you fucking faggot.
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>>141879324
>Queen's Blade
There's a reason I didn't mention that garbage in the op
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>>141879351
shit post
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>>141879351
Now now, we still do get neat stuff here and there, and average production values have increased.

Of course it's usually wasted on shit anime but things are not that grim. What I really miss is the art style of early 90s anime and manga. That's what really matters to me.
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>>141879053
>sophistication
it's just a different setting, in ONE old anime. Why are you using it as 'representative' of the 80s anime?
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Dumping more cute warriors in the meantime.
>>141879351
Every sub-genre has had at least a few gems coming around every couple years but I'm confused as to why this isn't the case with medieval fantasy.
>>141879327
Read Berserk nigger.
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>>141879393
Fantasy isn't about originality it's about wonder. I agree that at this point, simply putting elves and magic in the middle ages isn't enough to be wondrous anymore, but it essentially boils down to DIRECTING, VISUALS and WRITING, not to special snowflake races and bullshit cross-genre ideas.
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>>141879573
This thread isn't about anything else but fantasy anime buckaroo. I'm talking narrowly on medieval fantasy works and not decades in general.
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>>141879053
But Lodoss was shit? You call it sophisticated, but it was literally just based off of a tabletop campaign
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At least hentai is keeping fantasy alive
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>>141879586
>Read Berserk nigger.
Were we not talking about anime?
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>>141879503

You know why you like this genre. Don't try to deny it.
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>>141879727
Reading the manga gives the series context so they're more or less one work.
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>>141879381
Fuck me I love Dungeon Meshi. I combines my love of DnD with my love of good nutrition advice and exercise.
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>>141879860
Good shit bruv. That gives me hope for the future, as not too many people have kept up with it.
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>>141879823
You're a funny guy.
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Konosuba and Grimgar were great high fantasy. And don't say it's not fantasy if it's isekai, characters from the real world have been with the genre since pulp days.
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>>141879957
You're a kike
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>>141879053
While it isn't produced as much as it was in old times, what we got today is just harem fanservice shit. With woman wearing bikinis into battle.
Pic for reasons.
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>>141879462
Exactly what I meant nothing but fetish garbage.
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>>141879586
This picture is everything I hate about fantasy done by the japs.

Meaningless dragons everywhere

over designed characters with every woman in some sort of stupid stockings ZR miniskirt armour

totally bizarre weapons that feel like they have the weight and design intentions of a plastic squirt gun

probably typical ecchi harem shit that's as engaging as a bloated rotting dog if you've jacked off in the past 24 hours.
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Only people that care about fantasy anymore are basement dwelling neckbeards that have wet-dreams about elves and write webnovels on the internet.
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>>141881189
No fantasy lovers have a sense of wonder and adventure I get sick of medieval European crap all the time in fantasy series.

Also dragon faggotry.
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People make what sells and nips want their video games.
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>>141879053
>>141879214

>Fedora containment thread
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>>141881269
it's definitely true in Jap'n

no self respecting mangaka or original studio makes fantasy these days 90% of them comes from this site

http://syosetu.com/
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>>141879053
WoW happened.
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>>141879053

Berserk is still a thing, you idiot.

Lodoss, Berserk and Slayers were pretty much the only notable "classic fantasy" thing anyways, so you have rose-tinted glasses for something you evidently don't know anything about.
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We've had this topic before but it seems people forgot.

Fantasy was never a big thing in Japan. Modern fantasy in the West is basically Tokien derivatives - in Japan, the non-hentai family tree of fantasy titles are largely derived from Final Fantasy which was based on D&D.

D&D existed but was played by nerds and was not mainstream at all, which is what made Lodoss unique since it was derived from actual D&D play sessions. Kanzaka who wrote Slayers was also a big D&D fag in the '80s and like Lodoss crew basically Japanified D&D.

So if you dislike J-MMO fantasy, too bad because that IS fantasy to most nips. Mythology or history based titles like Berserk, Guin or Spice and Wolf are not the dominant image of fantasy. But then again, to most westerners if it isn't Tolkien or D&D (which is Tolkien) it's not true fantasy anyway.
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Lodoss war looked good and all but the narrative and characters weren't all that interesting to me.

I'm more drawn to the Slayers/Dragon Half type of fantasy myself

Also I wish Bastard resumed
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ITT: People who think R.A. Salvatore's books are masterpieces of literature
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>>141881582
Lodoss War and Slayers were based on tabletop games though
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>>141881458
Berserk is only a thing here. It's dead and irrelevant in a world not consumed by slavish devotion to an abandoned work, which is basically everywhere not here.
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>>141879053
everything made now is written by kids who grew up on MMOs and have zero sense of originality, so they just make shit that's derivative of those games because it's all they have to draw on
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I swear Berserkfags are basically GoTfags (though it's probably the other way around)
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>>141881755
>derivative

we're talking about fantasy here
everything of the genre is a Tolkien-derivative
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>sophistication

Most of them played like some awesome DnD campaigns more than sophisticated storytelling, but I loved them regardless. They largely only existed really because of high budget OVAs though, so I doubt we'll see their like again since OVAs aren't very popular anymore. The only decent high fantasy I've seen recently was Dungeon Meshi, and that's not only a manga, it's also mostly about cooking.

Trapped in an MMO "fantasy" is popular because it's very easy to make both into a self insert shitfest, and cram in an uninspired harem and/or school setting to widen your appeal. It's base entertainment for baser viewers, and it's more successful than high fantasy ever was or is so it's here to stay for the foreseeable future.

Yes, I tipped my fedora wildly while writing this, no need to reply with tips.
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>>141881681
yes, that is exactly what he said in his post, thank you for demonstrating your reading ability.
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>>141881582
>Final Fantasy
>not Dragon Quest
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Ixion Saga was pretty fun.
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>>141881822
LN fantasy is popular because the source material are amateur webnovels from one site.

so getting the rights to them are cheap and easy and since people are starving for Tolkien fantasy they'll eat it up.
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I would personally like more medieval titles without fantasy tropes. There can be "fantastical" elements like in Spice and Wolf, but none of the fantasy stock or stereotypes are present. It's a medieval title that might have a little too much Japan influence, but it at least feels medieval.

I guess you could say Claymore fits into this paradigm too. It's fantasy, and medieval, but definitely unrelated to D&D or Dragon Quest.
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Manga just kept the Medieval and removed all the childish fantasy bits.
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>watching fantasy instead of mecha
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>>141882210
>tfw no shows where a sci-fi mech and its pilot get stuck in a fantasy world
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>>141882270
there's a series where a guy goes to a fantasy world and makes a mech

two in fact
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>>141879053
>sophistication of the genre
Oh man, you're killing me here.
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>>141881755
Fantasy as a genre is derivative as fuck, it's not some damned sacred cow.
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Story and plot driven characters don't sell anymore. Half naked girls and moe are what sells now. It focuses now on the girls and not really anything else. Japan only knows fantasy now really from DQ and final fantasy. /tg/ anime will not be made anymore. MMO bullshit sells because it is relatable whereas just plain fantasy is hard to sell to the current market.
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Western fantasy used in anime pisses me off

They have all manner of youkai and yaoguai from Easf Asian legends, Taoist/Buddhist/Animist mysticism, ninjas, samurai, monks, Kung fu masters, etc
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High fantasy just isn't as popular in Nipland, just like mecha to the Western world.
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>>141881189
So, all of us?
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I blame SAO for this.
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What went wrong?
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>>141884872
Pandering.
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>>141884872
As somebody legit interested in Arthurian shit I can honestly say Type Moon is one of the LEAST bad it can get.
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>>141879708
I want to hire that little warrior!
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Just animate bathtub fantasy already.
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>>141885140
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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>>141885797
Oh yeah buddy

Count your blessings Type Moon honest to go takes proper inspiration from the real legends even if they pander it the fuck up.
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>>141885912
nigga fuck you that movie was my childhood
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>>141886011
shit man I'm sorry
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>>141886033
my family had that movie and angels in the outfield on the same vhs. I think we taped it or something, so I used to watch both movies consecutively.
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>>141880630
>taking fantasy anime unironically.
you deserve all of your suffering.
this is why anime only fags are truly brain dead
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>>141886158
Well that's animes fault in the first place for not even giving you a reason to take it seriously.
Meanwhile the west has the opposite reason where thanks to Game of Cucks everything is too tryhard and dour. When will it end.
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>>141886222
pretty much, GoT went sour real quick seriously.
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people are talking about western fantasy, but what about eastern fantasy?
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>>141879100
That's a sci-fi cutie, anon.
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>>141881582
>Fantasy was never a big thing in Japan
it was in the late 80s and early 90s
you dont see them in modern anymore, but traditional fantasy do still exist in novel (guin saga for ex). Most are untranslated, and people tend to disregard eastern fantasy too >>141886381
, those thing novel are usually well liked by the old the people over there.
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>>141886222
Game of Testicles is barely fantasy to begin with.
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>>141880118
Konosuba was mmo haremshit.
Dont know about grimgar because I dropped it halfway into first episode
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>>141886606
it's only fantasy in the sense that the fat fuck tried to be 'gritty' and 'realistic' and threw in a bunch of shit that makes no sense with his claims or the world he tried to create
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What's your ideal fantasy anime, /a/? For me it'd be something among the lines of
>Group of adventures all traveling together with different motives (fame, fortune, wanderlust, etc.)
>A large chunk of the show focuses on sweeping beautiful shots of the vivid countryside and the cast doing comfy things like camping or fishing
>Battles exist and are always well-choreographed, regardless of scale
>Party travels to different towns and cities, dealing with all sorts of problems among the citizens and politics
>The soundtrack is almost completely orchestral with the sparingly use of guitar for hype/tense moments
>Magic exists, but isn't treated as something that can created miracles
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>>141886900
The Witcher

That's all
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>>141886900
Cute dwarves doing cute dwarven things
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>>141879053
Nippon super-nerds have gone from playing D&D to playing MMOs.
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>>141886945
I want to play The Witcher, but my PC is shit
Life is suffering
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>>141883753
This is so true it makes me depressed, I'll never more get another Akira, Ghost in the shell or Cowboy bebop. Engaging stories, fascinating characters, gritty worlds. All gone, the industry I loved is gone. Now is all moe, harem shit and all the overdone tropes all over and over again.
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>>141887433
Anything that goes mainstream slowly turns into shit, just look at Star wars right now, everybody is saying in social media that Luke is a trans woman.
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>>141887433
It's not completely gone just getting rarer. Don't get me started on the current jap self insert MCs.
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>>141886900
Honestly I was really excited for Grimgar after the first two or so episodes because I felt like it was going to hit a lot of these buttons - it was pretty, it was comfy, and even if it had vague hints of 'real people sucked into a game world' it was largely in the background and the focus was on a rag-tag group of adventurers trying to make their way from the bottom of the ranks.

Then it went to shit when priest-kun died and the story decided to dwell on it for the next ever, insert songs, pointless drama etc. I think my ideal would be what I thought Grimgar was GOING to be...something with pretty visuals and a comfy party travelling together, exploring, and I actually did like how Grimgar handled fight scenes a lot. Just make it 2-cour with less drama, and more comfy episodic adventures.
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ERE anime when
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>>141887594
I haven't found anything decent since the earlier 2000's. Aside from fmab. Show me what gems you found anon? Bonus points for hand draw animation.
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>>141887629
It saddens me that not a single anime meets those requirements. Just give me a comfy series that reminds me of a tabletop game and I'm golden. I can't even think of any western animations that meet all of those benchmarks.
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>>141883753

That isn't really surprising. Sex appeal is universally effective, but anime in the '80s and '90s didn't shy away from fanservice and cute girls. The difference is the primary audience now are lonely men who want girly wives, and are perfectly happy to indulge in a one-sided infatuation with one.

>>141884872

To think when FSN came out, this was actually a unique and surprising twist because people were comparing their idea of the legend with the game. Now it's a comparison of the game versus every other anime out there which genderbends.

>>141886900

Shingeki no Kyojin before Erin turned into a titan.
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>>141886900
Fairly what you described, but without the overused european myth creatures.
Something original would be refreshing.
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>>141884872
>qt loyal servant who lusts over your dick
To pander neckbeards of course.
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>>141879053
>sophistication of the genre
Nigger, Lodoss was literally some guy's tabletop setting. Not that that makes it bad, but holy shit, am I tired of people playing up generic fantasy and stuff like that that would have gotten you teased for being a manchild when it came out as some sort of artistic masterpiece just because it's old. Your favorite genre was never particularly creative or respected, and in that regard nothing has changed.
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>>141879053
seen Shingeki no Bahamut yet op? it's a pretty good fantasy.
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>>141887854
Don't post /co/ shit and don't ask for recs you double nigger.
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>>141879586
Berserk is just a decent fucking dark fantasy that's been jacked off by the same crowd who now hail Hunter x Hunter as the pinnacle of writing.
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>>141887424
if I told you what state my PC was in you wouldn't believe me and I was still able to play the game with almost everything on High if not Ultra, and a lot of that was just me being stubborn and wasn't really even that noticeable one way or another
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>>141887080
I actually love Konosuba for the shots it takes at its own genre. It's a great satire with surprisingly likable characters despite their intentionally horrible personalities.
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>>141879586

everytime i see a monster human girl with an actual monster, i just can't help but think they must be fucking in their spare time.
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>>141887728
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>>141891456
>tfw we will never experience Ghibli fantasy again
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>>141891730
>>141891456
Anno-kun, the Promised One, will deliver unto us the full adaptation of Nausicaa's manga now that Miyazaki-senpai finally said "Fuck it" to letting him make it.
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>>141884872
What went so right here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0U2pSRYeg
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I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.

Nips don't do much (high/low) fantasy because it doesn't sell as well, there's plenty of great fantasy mangas, just not anime. They are, after all, an eastern nation.

Chanting anime is dead used to be a meme, now you've said it so much you think its true.

>>141886548
As far as Guin Saga is concerned, the anime adaptation absolutely raped it.
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>>141893843
>I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.
I liked it well enough, but yeah, if that's anyone's idea of sophistication and creativity, then I don't know what to say.
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>>141881458
>Lodoss, Berserk and Slayers were pretty much the only notable "classic fantasy" thing anyways

>What is Bastard!!
>What is Mahou Senshi Louie
>What is Dai no Daibouken

>What is Guin Saga

Fuck off newfag, read more manga before posting garbage.
>>141893843
>I don't understand the praise for Lodoss, it was terribly boring and incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes.

For us westerners it sure was, but back then in Japan, it basically set the standards for the genre when it comes to the big audience, it basically made the entire medieval fantasy popular, it's the FFVII of fantasy anime, looks kinda good, great for those who aren't into that kind of thing, but terribly mediocre when you find out there's much better stuff around, even back in the days.
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>>141884872
I prefer this one.
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>>141893843
>I don't understand the praise for Lodoss
The caliber of its art is a good place to start.
>incredibly generic as far as fantasy goes
You mean the genre that's been running a backhoe through Tolkien's garden for the last 80 years suffers from a lack of originality? What?
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>>141894377
>>What is Bastard!!
Terrible OVA of guilty pleasure-tier manga.
>>What is Mahou Senshi Louie
Terrible show that tries way too hard to be Slayers and fails miserably in all counts.
>>What is Dai no Daibouken
Little kids' show.
>>What is Guin Saga
Horribly ass-raped and rushed version of grand, sweeping novel series.
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>>141894377
I think that anon was talking about anime.
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>>141881458
This.

And all three are horribly overrated.
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>>141894420
>You mean the genre that's been running a backhoe through Tolkien's garden for the last 80 years suffers from a lack of originality? What?
Yes, that's the exact fucking point, good job. Most fantasy is lazy hackjobs.
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>>141894377
>Louie
>notable
It's literally just "that Lodoss spin-off that was kind of okay." Next you're going to try and tell me Ophen is a notable show as well.
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>>141879214
None truer words.
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>>141894420
So your argument in its defense is that you like the designs and that being boring generic shit is okay because the whole genre is? That sounds an awful lot like the defenses for battle harem and isekai anime, are you sure you don't like modern stuff just as much?
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>>141894687
My argument is more along the lines of well executed cliche is the best you're going to get from the genre, and if that's not good enough for you I doubt you're a fan of the genre at all.
Lodoss is good, until it shits the bed and dies after it catches up to where the novels were at the time and goes full 'original anime end' on us.
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>>141884872
FSN boggles my mind.
You take a neat concept: Historical and mythological figures duke it out for the holy grail
And then you throw it in the fucking trash by tossing in a bunch of OCs, and making all the figures nothing like themselves. Jack the Ripper is a fucking loli. Gilgamesh has no beard and uses medieval-ass tech rather than mesopotamian stuff. King Arthur is a generic waifu.
Why? So much potential, squandered.
Fuck, they could've at least thrown in a Hitler loli.
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You want a Loli Hitler? Here you go.
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