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First for Irisdina a cute!

>>141702232

>>141699237

This one would be best archived with the other nightmare scene, in my opinion. It just fits.

>>141702453
If he makes more Beatrix/Jurgen shit, then it should go in its own category.

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>>141702232

Since the first draft didn't go over as well as i would have liked, revised. Also it was only up for a little while.

Beatrix is locked into her final fight with Theo. She crashes into the buildings below her, and her cockpit goes dead. She pulls aimlessly at the controls, when suddenly, Theo's knife cuts into her, the searing pain ripping through her body. She awakens, sitting upright, in the large bed she has stuffed into her small duplex apartment. Her husband, Jurgen, is still lying asleep next to her, his arm draped over her lap. At the foot of her bed, the baby is still asleep in its crib. She looks around, bewildered, eyes slowly adjusting to the darkness. She takes a deep breath, slowly letting the air out, and starts crying. Jurgen wakes up, sits up, and wraps her in a warm embrace.

"What is it? What's wrong?"

"I died again."

"It was just a dream."

"I... I know."

Beatrix sinks back onto the mattress and lies there quietly for a while. Jurgen, who is now both awake and sitting over her, gazes into her eyes and brushes her hair away from her cheek. He leans over, and plants a light kiss on her forehead. Beatrix smiles weakly. She lies there for a while, just taking everything in. Somewhere a few blocks away, there is a delivery truck pulling into one of the local shops, its backup siren echoing through the stillness of the night, and waking up the songbirds roosting around the duplex. Neither noise particularly bothers her. Even the truck's siren gives everything a sense of peaceful normality. Jurgen lies down on the bed beside her. He's sniffing her hair again. Beatrix doesn't mind this sort of thing, but she's pretty sure it's not normal, at least, not the way he does it. She lets out something halfway between a sigh and a chuckle. Normal or not, this is certainly better than the alternative.

>>141702504

Excellent point.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg

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>>141703274

I was born 15 months before the wall fell but here, have a Stasimouto

>>141703544
Which does she wear better, purple and pink or blue and white

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>>141703656
Blue and white.

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>>141703727
>tfw I'm going to ruin the body of the sexiest women west of the Oder-Neiss in Martyrs

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

lise h cgs when

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>>141703837
>implying it won't just be like pic related

>>141703837
When Martyrs gets to THAT scene and you have a choice to gently love or roughly fuck. Depends on if you're going for renegade or paragon Theo.

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

>>141703805
As expected of the Master.

>>141703950
Her surviving and getting her husbando was such an asspull. It not only contradicts Beatrix's characterization, it ignores nearly all logic just for a happy ending.

>>141703752
>>141703544
How does it feel to know that Axmann forced Lise to sleep with 80 year old men:

>还让妹妹做很多用身体换取情报做间谍的任务，上至80岁老人下至

>>141703899

>renegade goes for gentle love
>paragon goes for rough fuck

bueno.jpg

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>>141704011
Someone needed to be saved in the name of love
Still, by the time it happened Beatrix was new in the Stasi and was affected by Jurgen''s death. So she probably saw on them the relationship she had with Jurgen
How much Beatrix and Gretel knew each other?
I want to see more interactions between the two girls

>>141704178
like I can't read chinese

>>141704314
It basically says that Lise had to gather info on some 80 year old men during her days as a swallow.

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>>141704178

Saddening but not surprising

>>141704252
Beatrix was the reason why Gretel hated the stasi. Beatrix got kind of touchy with Gretel when she was intimidating her (like hugging her, stroking her cheek, and just fucking with her head).

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>>141704418
>like hugging her, stroking her cheek, and just fucking with her head

>>141704418
>hugging her

wat

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>>141702232
>Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken
>Every thread is just Schwar
>No love for TE
I see what you guys are doing.
This is sad.

>>141704482
It was to make Gretel really uncomfortable and it worked.

>>141704509
/m/ discusses anything but SM if you want to go there

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>>141704406
Cheer up friend. Tru-rabu never dies.

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>>141704963
Except, you know, when it dies.

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>>141705097
Nah, it just regroups on the other side.

>>141704418
>like hugging her, stroking her cheek, and just fucking with her head

So a just a troll and not a sadist? Seems still redeemable to me, at least in '78 that is.

>>141704509
And what would you have us discuss here about TE?

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>>141704361
That's messed up, poor girl. Still can't help but wonder just how much info on her backstory they're going to include in Martyrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJkwBo2T4w

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>>141702232
Nice resolution on that

>>141703805
Is that...Shotadore? What is he doing in uniform?

>>141704509
There are plenty of TE lovers here, don't worry.

desu we discuss TE somewhat here, don't worry.

>>141704252
Well for one, they're sort of rivals because Bea is Stasi, and Gretel is the Party. Gretel is scared of her, even though she knows how to do a lot of the same stuff.

>>141707039
Gretel was still in school back then. She wasn't party back then, only maybe a somewhat enthusiastic member of the FDJ.

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>>141707039
>Nice resolution on that

You missed out on that one Chinkfag dumping HR scans a while ago, didn't you.

>>141707203
Her parents were party.

>>141707256
That applies to quite a number of characters as well, read OPs pic for example.

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>>141707226
>666th get to have snowball fights

What do the Werewolves do on a day off?

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>>141707444
Be happy that they'll only be dealing with old nightmares during their sleep instead of fresh ones.

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>>141707444
Depends. If this is anime Wolves, they probably pick on Lise, be huge bitches to one another, or abduct civilians to torture for shits and giggles.

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>>141707444

Cute werewolf things

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>>141707444
Throw Tea parties with lots of tea and cakes.

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>>141707203
You have to bear in mind that she wasn't just in school. That and back then, the Party was MUCH stronger. You didn't rub people like her the wrong way.

Gretel has had the misfortune to come into a commisariat role at a time when the Party's authority started to wane against the unity of the military and Stasi.

>>141707533
There will be fresh nightmares.

They can never truly end.

>>141704418
Beato is seriously godlike at trolling. The way she does it seriously throws people for a complete loop, since they can't reconcile so many fundamentally different things from the same person.

Holy shit this circlejerk is still going on? What the fuck do you guys even talk about, let it go.

>>141710570
I kinda preferred the jerking off gif.

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>>141710622

Gif? What gif?

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>>141712219
Hurr durr I've only been in a special TSF school for elite samurai famiries, where we literally learn this stuff, whats a Laser-class?

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>>141712219
The one you deleted silly. But if we wanna split hairs

>I kinda preferred the jerking off webm.

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This is so fucked up.

>>141712481

Oh that one? My connection got cut when I was downloading from the archive and I didn't notice it until after I've already upload that. No intention to make a short jerking loop from the very start.

>>141712549
Makes sense to me.

>>141712549
That's fuckin with me on multiple levels, I like it!

Don't you guys see? We get pulled back all the time.

;_;

>>141713442
Pulled back into these threads? Yes, but that's because MabuRabu is too addicting

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>>141713507

why am i even still here?

>>141714056
Cute girls with ERECT NIPPLES IN SKINTIGHT SUITS?

So there's two timelines right?

Schwarzeskmarken

Total Eclipse

Then it splits into

Unlimited Alternative

The Day After

Right?

Alternative continuation when?

>>141714171
Apart from a few short stories, that already exist, Alternative is unlikely to get any sequels beyond, Altered fable.

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>>141714171
If they do somehow make a sequel i really wonder how they would make it without the g element fuckery or based yuuko. or a fucker from draft exempt being put into military.

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>>141707203
She is still part of the FDJ since the organization was for people up to 25 years
And I think that the blue shirt looks good on her

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Type-00 Takemikazuchi is the best TSF there is, no substitutions, arguments, or debates.

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>>141702232
posting best girls.

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I Want to Protect That Smile.

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>>141716930
Wrong girls

>>141717077
Only half right. One is a best girl and the other is a fucking horrible human being and a terrible person who is a useless waste of space.

>>141714171
No, the split point is at Unlimited.

Alternative was the split. TDA is after the failure of Alt IV, and the proceeding of Alt V, as far as I can surmise.

Alternative basically is one shotted, over because of various circumstances.

>>141717077
All I see is Iris and some horrible person.

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>>141716930
>>141717077
Posting

>>141717077
Yui a shit

>>141717077
God god no. Yui is fucking horrible. She is literally the worst human being ever with no redeeming qualities what so ever. Even her design is bad.

>>141717077
No. That's one best girl on the left and one completely terrible character on the right.

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>tfw no Yugoslavia Front VN

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>>141717555
Only one of them is.

>>141717077
Fuck no! Yui is shit.

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Why does people not like Yui?

>>141718686
Because she's a terrible person, a part of the IRG, shitty character designs, uses a takemysushi, hates the raptor, is a bitch, and is a horrible person.

>>141718686
She's worse than Sumika.

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>>141718686
Didn't you watch TE? She's a gigantic cunt at the start of the series.

>>141718686
She represents/is everything wrong with the Imperial Royal Guard and is pretty much unlikable.

>>141719075
>She's a gigantic cunt for the entire series.
Fixed

>>141719075
Did you? Because Yui is completely in the right there and Yuuya who's being the ass.

>>141716775
t.Yui

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>>141719135
Ah, but turns out there are hidden depths to our un-hero. And he calls out Yui's bullshit eventually. Turns out she really is just a cunt and a spoiled brat who can't stand things not going her way.

If Yuuya was such a bad person, why does everyone else get along with him great?

>>141718507
Suffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ
>>141718508
Sorry but my trips confirm both girls
>>141718686
She is a turbo cunt

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>>141719136
Well she's right.

>>141719198
>everyone
What? she haves zero friends

>>141719198
>spoiled brat who can't stand things not going her way
You just described Yuuya.

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>>141718686
Look, anon, at least me, I'm not saying she's hated by me. But she is a pretty horrible human being.

By the time she starts realizing how horrible she's been, it's way too late. The only reason she gets ANY traction is because they made Yuuya practically oblivious or such to everyone else.

>>141719198
>Turns out she really is just a cunt and a spoiled brat who can't stand things not going her way.
She isn't. And if you actually watched TE instead of looking ate random screenshots you'd know that.

>>141719327
How is being dutiful and wanting/needing results from someone who clearly didn't give a shit being a horrible person?

>>141718686
>liking a rape organizer

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Holding hands with Gretel!

>>141702232
If you don't think the threads are worth having, then don't fucking make them, you retarded generalfag.

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>>141719263
I said Yuuya, not Yui. Read again, friendo.

>>141719274
First of all, spoiled does not even begin to describe Yuuya. And when the series begins, Yuuya already learned from the time in his life when he fell into that thought process, and it cost someone dear to him their life.

Conceited? Yes, a bit still. Confident in his skills? All bluster, he's nervous as hell that he won't do as good in a real fight. Blunt? Quite. Spoiled brat who can't stand things not going his way? That doesn't describe Yuuya at all. He takes problems given to him by the horns, and works with them, even when he doesn't want to (in other words, the initial "banishment" to Alaska). And he puts himself 110% into that task.

Turns out Yuuya knows what he's talking about when it comes to being a pilot, and perfectly points out the utterly glaring flaw in Yui's, and by extension, her nation's approach to TSFs - that when it's an upgrade package trying to squeeze Gen 3 capability out of a Gen 2 machine, and when only elites are able to pilot the damn things, it's an utterly useless weapon trying to do too many things with too little, and that is going to get a lot of good people killed. And as he said, he'd be damned if he lets any people die in a TSF he tested.

t. Yui Defense Force

>>141719558
High sensitivity isn't a flaw and all Japanese pilots get the training to use it properly. Yuuya was just complaining because he wasn't skilled enough to use a successful machine.

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What's contemporary Anette doing?

>>141717077
Fuck no, Iris is shit.

Yui is worth two girls though I guess.

>>141715342
He was the brain in the tube all along and he wakes up as 00 unit

>>141720541

What do you mean by contemporary, like TE era, TDA, healanon universe?

These days I can't tell what timeline people are talking about. Hell I can't even keep 'em straight anymore.

>>141702232
>What VN do you want age to work on after Martyrs
More TDA please so we can a closer on the things that happen after babylon and i can finally get off the ride once its done.

>>141721479
>implying that you can get off the ride

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>>141721479
>get off the ride once its done
>get off
>done

>>141721645
I doubt based walken,Marimo,Meiya and Kurogane is gonna appear in any new VN so i probably will be off this ride.

Though probably gonna wait for that melvina maniax though.

>>141721803
God TE is so bad. The plot is stupid and nothing like Muv-luv, the characters are all bland boring stereotypes, barely any action and far removed from anything related to Muv-luv.

>>141723308
Agreed, that's why Schwarzenmarken was so much better. The characters and plot were interesting and it actually felt like Muvluv.

>see the UN in MLA
>start wishing real life UN was more like that

Real life UN would only send you a strongly worded letter for committing genocide

ded thread, ded waifus, ded franchise

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>>141723763
ML UN tends to back psychotic girls like Yuuko and Beatrix.

>>141725142
They backed Sandek as well, otherwise we wouldn't have Slav espers.

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>>141725142
So Beatrix is the big proponent of giving the UN more bite and of erasing nationalism and presenting a unified front against the BETA while Iris is a nationalist who believes that the world doesn't want a unified Germany because it'll be too awesome and hates both the UN and western powers; why is Beatrix considered more evil/wrong than the rebels again?

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>>141726351
Outside of the anime, which has this little gem, body count and amorality. But then again most of the haters don't hate Yuuko, who is basically a smarter version, with a morality chain and in a far less toxic environment.

There are a couple who are consistent on their morals, but they seem to forget that the plot of Alternative had the message that the right choice isn't always the correct one, and that sometimes great sacrifices are necessary.

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>>141726559

>message that the right choice isn't always the correct one, and that sometimes great sacrifices are necessary.

She says exactly the same shit to Jurgen when he was depressed (before goofing off to cheer him up), which he seemed to agree with:

>"Your decision may not have been the "good" choice, but it was the correct choice. History progresses on the sacrifices of people, does it not?"

Really, I find her morality and predicament much more compelling than Katia's. Beatrix is in a really fucked up situation and desperation breeds amorality.

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>>141726559
>Yuuko, who is basically a smarter version
A lot of the Japs say that had Beatrix become a scientist, she would have been equal to Yuuko, but thanks to Jurgen's influence, she went into TSF piloting instead.

>ベアトリクスが夕呼先生と同じ物理学(?)の天才だったら、 同じような生き方したかもな。代わりにベアトリクスには、デュルクに習って開花させたスパイの才能と 飛び込みで鍛えられた衛士の才能と なりふり構わないシスコンな彼氏がいたために、ああなっちまった。


>この３ヶ月早かった・・・ 夕呼先生≒ベア様とこのスレで見たせいか テオのロボット～のとこで何か考えすぎちゃったｗ

In any case, she's probably the most intelligent member of the cast (while Iris would probably be the most wise, ignoring the nationalism shit).

Thinking about it, Lise is also extremely intelligent (she's fluent in a couple of different languages at only 15/16, apparently) and is squandered in the stasi.

>>141726351
>Iris is a nationalist who believes that the world doesn't want a unified Germany because it'll be too awesome
But she is right

>I love Germany so much that I prefer to see two of them - spaghetti prime minister

>>141719708

You say that, but this actual dynamic played out between the A6M Zero and the F4F Wildcat, And long story short, focusing on pilot survivability and making the plane fairly easy to fly is why the Wildcat was a successful design and why Zero pilots ended up getting annihilated. "Git gud" is a terrible operator philosophy when there's no respawn.

That was one of the things that made this entire argument so entertaining to watch. As annoying and pigheaded as yui was, she was making a real argument used by real people.

Is the dmm game out yet?

>>141727384
yes

>>141723308
Dont forget they ended TE with a superpower charge up then black screen...followed by a text saying Humanity won that day and Top Gun status is unknown.

Not even a closure on his story

>>141728096
Let us hope that Martyrs won't be another kusoge like TE.

>>141727384
No

>>141728172
Amen to that.

>>141728172
>Just as Theo is about to win the fight against Beatrix
>Black screen
>"Thank you for playing Marthyrs, the story will be continued on Swarchesmarken: You Can(not) Penetrate

>>141728262
Anno does it again

>>141727279
Both Beatrix and Lise should have been HVA instead of border guards, their talents would have been more useful there.

>>141728262
>You Can(not) Penetrate
Literally me

>>141728502
Beatrix and Lise are still crazy good pilots. Beatrix herself can 1v4 the 666th and still almost win. I hear that the LN version is even more crazy, and still took down Annete and almost got Theo in a 1v2 melee despite missing an arm and having a damaged thruster.

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>>141728726
Yui is a better pilot than either of them.

>>141729947
Fuck off Yuifag

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>>141727279

> "I can't live without you Jürgen, and you'd be lost without me, so I've decided I want to [help you by becoming] a TSF pilot"

Fucking GOAT material right here. Jürgen should have stuck a ring on her when he had a chance.

>>141729947
Probably. She's one of the best pilots in the world if she can stand next to the other Argos Flight members. Now Jürgen might give her more of a challenge, but even if he's the granddaddy of modern TSF fighting techniques, she's still absorbed 20 more years worth of TSF technique refinement than he has.

>>141729947

Or maybe it's all down to the fact that she's in a type-00 and not a mig 23/27? The point of the type-00 is to make mediocre pilots viable and good pilots amazing.

>>141730227
>not a mig 23/27
I know people forget because this wasn't animated but she wrecked Christopher's Mig-29OVT.

>>141730227
But Yui was amazing even in her Zuikaku. After her first flight.

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>>141730227
Assuming they're using the same tech, Yui would still come out on top, though it would be close. Beatrix is a very good pilot and probably the best one in Schwarzesmarken. Even so, Yui's been training her whole life for TSF combat. Furthermore, TSF pilots by Yui's time would generally be better than those in the 80's due to more refined piloting methods, and Yui is considered to be cream of the crop among that higher standard.

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>>141728726
So if Beatrix didn't have all of her handicaps, how would the final fight have gone down in the LN?

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>>141730960
Same. I'm just that good

>>141730525
Surviving the eight minutes of death does not make somebody an amazing pilot.

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I love how the thread just did a full pendulum swing from shitting on Yui to suddenly praising her.

Although it's probably just one guy samefagging like the one who always shits on the Shiranui.

>>141731950
>Valkylies

Goddamn it Kouki, you should know better. But no, its not just one guy, European daytime is particularly toxic towards Yui it seems.

>>141732024
While American evening seems to hate Beatrix and Lise.

>>141731780
>after her first flight
She used her Zuikaku until a year before TE and was really good with it that they recognized her skill and gave her the Typeｰ00F.

I do not like Beatrix

>>141731950
What happen to the remaining valkyries by the way.

>>141732024
Well they must be new because the last time anyone actually hated Yui was back when TE was still airing. Then Yui lost the Tortilla Chips and fapping to dead slavs became the hot new thing to hate.

>>141732190
They are using Gekkous, which won out over the Shittynui II, to do various missions.

>>141732190
>>141732394
No, they're all dead.

>>141732190
Like living legends

Seriously if the last of them were considered monsters how do the other pilots would have the dead storm vanguard ones?

>>141732476
*rated

>>141727347
Another major philosophical difference was very important: the US cycled out their pilots, especially their aces, to teach the next group of pilots. Kills also were spread around, instead of the flight lead being the one with the 'dibs' on the credit.

US aircraft also were hilariously tough overall. Read up on the P-47 Thunderbolts if you haven't already, alongside the P-40's. The Thunderbolt was known as the Juggernaut for a reason; the thing shrugged off hits that would have sent other aircraft down flaming.

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Best TSF.

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Pure Pragmatism > Yamato Damashii.

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>>141733937
No.

>>141734065
>suicidal for the euroshlomo like a good goy shiksa
>pragmatism

>>141733937
>>141734130
Equally ridiculous.

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>>141734130
No

>>141734249
Mr. Cohen I know its you, pls stop.

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>>141734130
Nope.

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>>141734065
Take that back.

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>>141734130
>tfw you see one in real life
It's the most beautiful thing I've seen in this world.

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>>141734308
>>141734359
Correct.

This is best TSF.

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>>141734130
Not at all.

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>>141734403
Never!

>>141734065
Both are actually worse t.b.h

Always go with the logical plans that works even though there would be sacrifices.

Not some homicidal bullshit covered in the term of pragmatism or pride power nepotism bullshit

>>141734457
FAT

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>>141734308
>>141734359
Yes

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>>141734522
Your lack of faith disturbs me.

>>141734441
Bleh. Planes in this generation will all look more or less like hatchet jobs, but this one takes the shit prize.

>>141734457
The grand daddy will always be the best

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>>141734549
I like thick TSF's, I cannot lie, my other brothas can't deny...

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>>141734639
>Thinking the F-22 looks bad

Holy fuck how many dicks do you suck a day anon?

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>>141734639
You blind motherfucker. It's the sexiest thing in the sky.

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>>141734634
And your Yuiposting pleases me since those Butt cheeks are divine.

Jap nobility is stil mostly useless though.

>>141734710
>>141734744
>instant butthurt in the face of obvious

How nice.

>>141734710
Depends on whether he's a slavaboo or fiddycent.

>>141734772
>arguing with a tripfag
don't

>>141734531
Let me guess, you're one of those who believe that Katia was right about everything.

>>141734772
So what plane do you think is sexy, anon?

>>141734745
Not as useless as following a stupid ideal of a dead man who is the cause of the fall of the defense line due to his best sister and shite girlfriend.

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>>141734859
He's probably a fan of the 4th Gen designs, and I can't fault him; the F-15 and Fulcrum are aesthetically pleasing designs.

>>141734794
Anon, stating the obvious is not exactly arguing.
I guess you can say I was captn`ing.

>>141734859
Gen 3/4, and some highly specialized stuff like Blackbird which you can`t put into generations. There were gross uglies too like MiG-25/31, but then there was Su-27 and F-16.

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>>141734874
>shite girlfriend.

If there is one thing that puts Jürgen above all other ML MCs, its his taste in Women.

>>141734987
>Blackbird
>F-16

Mai Nigga. Hard to not like the F-16, the little plane that could.

>>141734987
The sexiest Slav fighter will always be the Su-27 family. Prove me wrong.

But the sexiest 4th gen is the Rafale.

>>141735053
Too bad he didnt anticipate that his girlfriend was a retard who contributed in the fall of his homeland.

Good job Jurgen

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>>141735164
>Spoiler
>Actually liking eurocanards mk 2, french hissyfit boogaloo

>>141735164
You`re asking for impossible here. 29 wanted to look cool too, but was born a planelet.

There may be still a competition for the ugly crown in the fifth gen when T-50 gets an ass of its own and not some Flanker spare.

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>>141735053
I thought it was his proactive rather than reactive attitude, his self-motivation, intelligence, sense of humor, and ability to actually play politics than just be a tool for others.

>>141717043
That's the spirit.

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>>141735235
At least that we can agree on.

>>141735306
But she`s smiling at the news of cunt batallion death.

MiG 25s are the sexiest.
Just look at the size of those air vents.

>>141735194
>"I can't live without you, Jurgen"

It's not like it wasn't already written on the walls. Her whole world revolved around Jurgen. He should have left her with a baby or something.

>>141702232
>still no porn of beatrix raping iris

>>141735360
That was an earlier smile. This one was a "I'll crush the 666th and realize Jurgen's dream" smile.

>>141735406
>He should have left her with a baby or something.
That i can agree

Seriously should have made beatrix a MILF and probably she would have not act retarded if she got preggy.

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>>141735390
Only good thing the MiG-25 did was indirectly give us God's Plane

>>141735164
>>141735235
The Rafale is at least sexier than the Yurofighter. I'm not even French.

>>141735501
Did the MiG-25 really have influence on the Typhoon?

>>141735572
Nice b8 m8

>>141735306
>still got played by Axman
>implying he was not a tool
I laughed

>>141735306
>his proactive rather than reactive attitude, his self-motivation, intelligence, sense of humor, and ability to actually play politics than just be a tool for others.


Too much talent in one package can be boring as well or rather is usually boring. Also, in the end quite a lot of people used him.

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>>141735539
Being more attractive than the Eurofighter isn't exactly hard though, hell the Gripen does it. And I'm not exactly a fan of SAAB's designs in general. The Viggen is just vomit inducing to me for some reason, no idea why.

>>141735703
That was his downfall honestly, he was too smart for his own good that it only take one guy to make use of someone to striked him at the achilles heel and checkmated him.

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>>141735493
>I need to make sure that my baby will have a better future than my own.

Nah, the motivation would still be there to be a cunt. She likely wouldn't be as evil, but then again, Beatrix would probably be a believer in that sometimes you have to be evil so future generations don't have to deal with it.

>>141734874
Jurgen's ideals didn't seem that bad. They sound a lot like Katia's, just more pragmatic.

>>141735605
Axmann is a mastermind at politics. You can't really fault Jurgen for not being able to outsmart him. Any other ML protag would have been dancing in Axmann's fingertips or completely clueless (see Theo) instead of trying to stop him.

>>141735703
I think it's refreshing to have an ML protagonist who's at least a player in the game of politics, even if he gets outmaneuvered by guys like Abel. Even if he fails, that's a hell of a lot better than Takeru who never questions anyone or Yuuya who tries to ignore it (and then gets dragged in anyways).

And actually, he's not that perfect. He made mistakes and got half his squad killed in one of his operations.

>>141735811
Axmann apparently subverted his childhood best friend, Katze, and some of his family members, like Mercedes. Jurgen's trust was his downfall.

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>>141735874
Takeru's TDA appearance
I will never, NEVER find this not hilarious. He looks like he went full emo rock band edgy teenager, who blasts Linken Park all day and pretends to cut himself.

>>141735962
The more I hear about Ax the more I feel like he's the Mengele of the Stasi.

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>>141723763
I know it's tempting to want a more assertive UN, when seeing the utter catastrophes our world's UN has presided over, but...well, it wouldn't necessarily be great. It could just as easily be our UN, except with big guns and even more Oil for Food scandals and raping children.

>>141725142
UN didn't really back anyone as an organization - both Alt IV and Alt V were ongoing. There were dedicatees of each.

>>141726351
She's pro-American, not pro-UN. Big difference.

Gretel wants the socialist world, wants an East Germany free from tyranny of the Stasi, but still wants supremacy of the Party, and continuation, nay spread of the proletarian dictatorship.

Iris wants an independent, and possibly wants socialistic East Germany, but without the elements that poison it. She's a nationalist first and foremost though.

Katia is sort of moe Bismark, she wants German unity under the principles of freedom, but wants a merger, wants to keep their character.

Beatrix utterly hates East Germany and hates communism, and wants to send them to the ash heap of history. She doesn't even care really for a united Germany, unless it's under the auspices of Washington. To her, defeating the BETA is the top consideration for humanity, whatever the cost, and that combined in her desire for freedom, Washington is her natural fit.

>>141736145
Axmann was based of Reinhard Heydrich actually. Brown Beast = Blonde Beast

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>>141728096
So you want another TE VN, is what you're saying, right?

I can get behind that.

>>141735874
Its not only that the baby would calm her down, but that it would take enough of her time to slow her career down to the point that she would have no power to influence the story. I believe this, since she doesn't seem the type to trust anyone else with her child after loosing Jürgen.

It is refreshing, but I do find this overflow of talent boring, but that's a matter of taste. But if the unreliable narration is there in BiS as well, it could be bias of the narrator, who could be Beatrix simply figuratively sucking his dick.

>>141735962
His mom was a gold-digger anyway who divorced his dad when his career hit a dead end. And rumour has it that her second husband was a Stasi member anyway.

>>141736175
Her speeches make a lot of mention about the UN, and the first people she contacts after killing Schmidt are UN operatives.

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>>141736175
>Katia is sort of moe Bismark

>>141732024
You have it backwards, it's European eveningtime that is toxic to Yui.

>>141732060
I'm around during American evening. It's just two guys.

>>141736237
God no. TE was complete shit.

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>>141736401
>Not wanting to Unite the German Peoples under one Moeblob

>>141736237
>So you want another TE V
Not at all. The original was boring as hell with little action and the worst characters in the franchise.

>>141736237
>wanting more Yuishit
No no no. Keep that annoying self entitled upstart elitist bitch away from this franchise.

>yuishitters are back
it's 2012 all over again

>>141736237
TE was a total embarrassment to the franchise. Just let it die, be forgotten, and never matter for the rest of Muv-luv.

>>141734293
Except, you know, it actually exists irl too, unlike the Type-00. Or the Shiruani for that matter.

>>141734441
I liked the YF-22 better, something seemed to have gotten lost in development, but I can't quite place what.

>>141734671
>tfw no F-20 TSF

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>>141736333
The Chinks say Mercede's husband was stasi and say that's why he hated them. They also say he trips up quite a bit and puts his trust in the wrong people.

He's meant to be a Char expy anyways, so he takes a lot of Char's positives along with negatives. Had he survived and Beatrix died, I think he would have gone full CCA on the DDR.

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>>141736458
>wanting to unite under a moeblob that cant shoot for survival on the ground
It is almost as if you want germany to become refugees and starve to death.

If she had fired in anger when she saw Vivi die then I would like her more.

>>141736617
Yeah, Yuifags are the worst.

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>>141736458
Katia mit uns!

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>>141735742
What about the Draken?

>>141736561
>>141736617
>>141736659
It's cool to hate Yui now? Fuck off back to MAL.

>>141736650
YF-23 > YF-22

>>141736694
Looks retarded.

>>141736657
She was also in East Germany for only 3 months. How can she be knowledgeable about the quagmire the DDR is in?

She's also only 15 years old. Being the daughter of some high ranking rebel shouldn't count for very much in this situation.

>>141736721
>It's cool to hate Yui now?
Always has been. She's the worst, worse than Sumika.

>>141736721
MAL loves Yui. If this were MAL, they'd all be slapping their dicks on the desk over Lise and Beatrix's deaths.

>>141736721
Yuifags should fuck off back to MAL.

>>141736721
Everyone here hates Yui. You need to leave.

>>141736802
>Always has been
Sure, if you've been here all of three months ago.
>>141736817
I think you're confusing MAL with wikiafags still assblasted that their favorite girl didn't win the Yuuyas.

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>>141736561
But why do you think Yui would win if given another VN? There's at least three other women for sure gunning for the Top Gun, and more if you count people not put front and center.

Don't you want to do your part for humanity and make Stella a mother?

>>141736892
I thought most of the wikifags were supposed to be either Yuukofags or Beatrixfags.

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>>141736802
>>141736817
>>141736835
>>141736871
>poster count doesn't go up as these replies are made
Uh huh. You should at least try to be less transparent.

>>141736730
That is true anon. I just was talking about the F-22 though. But yes, YF-23 is supremely sexy.

>>141736721
see >>141736817

>>141736892
Well Yuuya isn't "technically" won yet, considering that the girl that was closest to it is now a ghost. Also, Yui knows about Yuuya now, and yet, that doesn't seem to have slowed her down.

>>141737011
>caring about post count in a dead thread

>>141737063
>Yui knows about Yuuya now, and yet, that doesn't seem to have slowed her down.
It did. She gave up and went back to treating him like a soldier.

>>141736788
Honestly the 15 years old thing doesn't matter, ate least in Muv Luv world where they can get drafted to go and die in the frontlines.

Over in our reality of course it would be a problem cause 15 year old girls on our plane of reality are one of the most vapid and vain creatures on planet earth. but over in Muv Luv land they barely have time for that shit before being put into military service.

The timeframe is a far better point, 3 months and she just shoops in and saves the nation? no wonder they called her St. Ursula afterwards cause that's a goddammed miracle.

>>141737063
>that doesn't seem to have slowed her down.
Is there even any evidence to this? In the VN she seemed accepting that Cryska had won and even wished her the best of luck.

>>141737157
She a Christmas cake now boy.

What a waste of that ass.

>>141737239
>Cake
>Waste
A pox pon thy wang

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>>141737081
Why not? You care about your dead waifu.

>>141737063
>Yui knows about Yuuya now, and yet, that doesn't seem to have slowed her down.
She did stop. But doesn't matter since she died at the end of TE like everyone else.

>>141737319
SAVAGE

>>141736788
>She was also in East Germany for only 3 months. How can she be knowledgeable about the quagmire the DDR is in?
Considering that she is a girl that wants to unite the germanic people under one flag then she should have done her homework. Also 3 months already?

>She's also only 15 years old
She have been fighting the BETA for some time and she have been trained to hate them. I am unable to understand why she refused to fire at something which she have been trained to kill ever since she decided to become a pilot.

>>141736617
I miss 2012 and earlier 4chins desu senpai

>>141737319
I prefer live.

>>141737225
Yeah, wasn't Beatrix and Iris only 16 or so when one was sent to the stasi borderguard and the other the NVA respectively?

>>141737319
No, everyone from TE died in Ouka anyway.

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>>141737225
>Honestly the 15 years old thing doesn't matter
It does when other people should have way more political experience.

>>141736617
You must have lived in a different 2012 then, Yui wasn't exactly popular until she lost the Tortilla Chips and then we took pity on her for losing. Plus it's always cool to hate on the girl that wins.

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>>141737303
Its a waste not because she is a cake, but because no one will touch that cake. And it seems that she doesn't want anyone to touch her either.

>>141737386
>She have been fighting the BETA for some time

She joined up in mid 82 and got shipped to the front in December 82. She's got a couple of months of experience at the most, and the Bundeswehr doesn't seem to train them for close combat.

>>141737450
Beatrix got inducted into the Stasi at 16, but both of them started their TSF piloting training later.

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>>141737454

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>>141737531
But she's a likable and interesting character.

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>>141737531
Is that why Beatrix and Lise always get so much love compared to the other SMs?

>>141737494
Thing is she isn't running for office. She's just being used as a trophy on a pedestal while shouting "Can't we all just get along?"

Any 15 year old girl could do that, add in the fact she's already a soldier who fought in the BETA on the frontlines so that her credibility as a person can't be so easily discredited and boom.

Katia didn't know shit about the DDR and it's people

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>>141737531
It's easier to hate the Russians anyway.

>>141737568
>No one will touch that cake

She'll probably get a marriage arrainged for her by her family or some shit or fucked silly by a slav or american pilot that scratches that TOP GUN urge she has

>>141737588
They did. Everyone from TE died in the battle at the end.

>>141737633
>She'll probably get a marriage arrainged for her by her family
Aren't they all dead.

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>>141737683
I don't read moon, but I thought her Uncle was still alive at least.

>>141737625
Wrong
She is at the table along with Heim and other moderate
rebels

Still, been a soldier a fighting BETA don't give you an insight about the DDR

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>>141737568
>no one will touch that cake
Someone will.

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>>141737683
Her uncle isn't.

>>141737568
>Forcing a 16 year old girl into the stasi under Axmann

Abel is such a douchebag.

>>141736694
The Draken is sort of like a retarded puppy of a fighter aircraft to me, like it's trying so hard but it just looks adorably stupid the entire time.

>>141737683
There is a TSFiA where she is in her 30s or late 20s apparently.

>>141737734
Fujo's imaginations don't count.

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>>141737633
>She'll probably get a marriage arrainged for her
Probably like this.

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>>141737765
>There is a TSFiA where she is in her 30s or late 20s apparently.
There isn't. There is one where Lelouch leads an army of Typeｰ00's but Yui never appeared outside of TE.

>>141737874
>Yui never appeared outside of TE.
Because she died in it.

>>141737754
Didn't Beatrix join the stasi willingly, out of a belief for their cause?

>>141737874
>>141737909
>Yui died, no one cared

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Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.

>>141737723
>She is at the table along with Heim and other moderate rebels

No shit, you don't tell the pawn that she's a pawn. People don't like to be told they're dancing to someone elses tune after all.

>Still, been a soldier a fighting BETA don't give you an insight about the DDR

No, it doesn't. But military service is an easy thing to shove down people's throats when they start picking apart someone in the political world.

Basically, "How dare you question one of our heroes! you who are sitting in your home because of the sacrifices she makes!"

I think it's bullshit too, but at least I can see how it would've happened instead of just shitposting about it.

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>>141738014
Top Gun maybe did, at least enough to send probably a 'Oh hey, sorry you died' note to her funeral while he was fucking a ghost.

>>141737990
Nope, her dad was Schmidt's predecessor as minister of state security and had her join against her will.

>>141738046
I think it's stupid that the anime implies there's a happy ending, when really, if you aren't a filthy secondary, you know that they're all pretty much fucked. The LN's ending, with Katia, Theo, and Annete suiting up and walking towards an uncertain future is much more impactful.

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>>141738031
>Multiple waifus

>>141738136
Her father was the economic minister. He eventually told his daughter to sign on with Axmann because he wanted to use her as a mole inside the Stasi. Obviously, Beatrix resisted, but Abel won out (Chapter IX, where he apparently talks to her about it is called "Noblesse Oblige" or something)

Still a shit dad though.

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>>141738031
>Multiple waifus

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>>141737454
...huh?

>>141737531
To be fair, autismoe is really hard to hate. Especially when she stops getting so autismal.

>>141737683
They aren't all dead. And either way, there are plenty of other samurai and noble families still alive.

>>141737714
>>141737754
Iwaya is not actually her real uncle afaik.

That said, he more or less is like her real uncle, as he's known and been there for her since birth.

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>>141738031
>>141738205
>>141738274

Im getting tired seeing this bullshit in every single thread.

>>141738073
He didn't. He didn't like her when they parted ways.

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>>141737635
Pls provide sources for you claims, where is the proofs?

>>141738046
I don't trust anyone that says the word "Plastik"

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>>141738315
To be fair, it's less annoying than constant LISE A SLUT posts.

>>141738232
I stand corrected then.

>>141738343
Do you say "Plaste" or "Kunststoff" then?

>>141738371
>LISE A SLUT posts.
They are getting rare with time.
And they are right, she is a mobile cockpit :^)

>>141738315
we're being meta, reliving the same experiences all over again Takeru-style

>>141738371
I'm more a fan of the Katiafags shitting on Beatrix.

>>141738335
The ending of TE is Yuuya charging, vut to black, screen says everyone from TE died and Yuuya's whereabouts are unknown.

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>>141738429
I see what you did there and I approve

>>141738431
How do we stop this madness? More OC? We all become drawfags? Or do we let it go?

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>>141738315
I'm getting tired of him posting it

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>>141737714
Why was Cui never seriously considered anyways? She's top tier wife material.

>>141738497
We need some drawfags around here. And forget about letting go, we've tried a couple of times, it hasn't worked.

>>141738592
Because all the routes except for Cryska's were cut due to Age's incompetence.

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>>141738205
>>141738274

>>141738640
maybe if we ever get TE kickstarter there will be a stretch goal for restoration of routes. still hope they will restore Yoroi Mikoto route in EXTRA

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>>141738579
What is your rank pilot?

Do they even have the correct rank insignias in muv-luv for the soviets? I dont remember such thing

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>>141738481
>screen says everyone from TE died
That Cyrillic doesn't say anything about anyone in particular buying the farm, it just says that there were many casualties around the world during Ouka.

There's also the matter of this right after that.