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# So there are trillions of stars and systems out there, one would

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So there are trillions of stars and systems out there, one would logically conclude from that, there are alien species out there that are technologically advanced as well.

With convergent evolution (that things evolve largely the same way due to benefits of things evolving that way, like having eyes, hands, brains etc) we could assume that on some earth like planet out there, there are probably humanoid aliens.

Do you think then those humanoid aliens would have anime as well? Do you think that Alien anime exists?
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If that's true, then we need some way of broadcasting that they're waifu a shit.
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>>141601419
>So there are trillions of stars and systems out there, one would logically conclude from that, there are alien species out there that are technologically advanced as well.
n = number of stars
p = probability of life in a star system
Probability of life somewhere among all those stars = (1-p)^n
Probability of life has more than 10 zeros before the first non-zero digit.
A trillion has 9 zeroes.

No, you cannot logically conclude that the presence of "trillions" of stars means that there is life out there.
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Ayy lmao
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>>141601549
>Probability of life somewhere among all those stars = 1 - (1-p)^n
Fixed.
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>>141601419
>there are alien species out there that are technologically advanced as well
Define advanced. They could be either more primitive than us wit thousands of years or more advanced with millions or even billions of year. The cahance that there is an alian civilization out there which just happens to be around the same technological level as us is technically 0.
>there are probably humanoid aliens
Nope. The biggest criticism toward sc-fi shows from evolutionary biologist that the evolution (which is infinity number of coincidence) is probably makes something what doesn't even resemble anything we know.

>Do you think then those humanoid aliens would have anime as well?
Nope.

>Do you think that Alien anime exists?
Noper.
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Universe is not infinite, probability of humans being alone is not zero
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>muh convergent evolution means intelligent aliens are humanoid

I want this meme to die
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>>141601419
>implying that we're not one of the extremley few carniverous species in the universe to attain tech advancement
>implying that the rest of intelligent species are essentially angry trees and fungal colonies
>implying that anime isn't something that would solely come from a species with highly indiviualistic tendancies
>implying that you're waifu isn't shit
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AYY LMAO
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Clarke argued of aliens that we would find "apes or angels, never men", that alien animes would be pretty good or fucking trash with no median.
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>be grey
>enjoy superior grey animation for several centuries
>suddenly flood of the newly awaken who only watch animation by being of light
>literally just flashes of wavelengths in the range of 400–700 nanometres

acknowledging silicon and light based life forms was a mistake
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>>141601419
It's only alien anime if it's made by alien Japanese, otherwise it's alien cartoons.
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>>141608734
Or if target audience of this cartoons are alien betas
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Who would be nominate as the Earth's waifu is an Ayy lmao planet would throw at us their lmao waifu?
Will they have memes about us as well?
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>>141601419
Why do the aliens need to be humanoid for their animated pictures to be considered anime?

Because it's very possible that at some point in the past or in the future some alien race became culturally and technologically advanced enough to produce this kind of fiction, but they probably looked nothing like humans.

Please don't discriminate against octopi or insectoid alien anime just because they don't pander to you.
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Do you think 4D beings have 3D waifus?
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>W axis
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What would an alien's ideal waifu look like?
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>>141610015
Couldn't they settle for 2D though? I can't perceive what the potential problems of 4D are, which is not to say that I approve of 4D. It's just that I can only recognize 2D as superior to 3D.
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We literally cannot fathom what alien environments even contain.
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>>141601549
>implying the probability of life developing on separate planets is independent
>what is planetary colonization
>what is terraformation
>mfw it's an "/a/ pretends to be smart" episode
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>>141610263
>>>/sci/
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ayyy
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FOOLISH MATTER BASED LIFE FORMS.
OUR ANIME IS TRANSFERRED ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, ATTAINABLE TO ALL BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRANSCENDED TO AN ADEQUATE STATE OF EVOLUTION.
IT IS A SHAME YOU ARE STILL SO PRIMITIVE AS TO BE UNABLE TO VIEW THE CONSTANT SWIRL OF PERFECTED ANIME AROUND YOU.
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>>141607211
>You will never watch and anime made by a silicone lifeform
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They don't have anime because aliens ARE anime.
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>>141610263
>>what is planetary colonization
>>what is terraformation
Are you retarded?
Neither of those things matter for that calculation.
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>>141610436
>implying planetary colonization won't change the probability that a planet develops and sustains life
>implying the probability of life developing on a planet won't depend on the probability that neighboring planets do harbour life
>he's seriously this retarded
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>>141610421
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>>141610617
So you didn't understand the equation. Maybe the fact that it was posted incorrectly first confused you? Look at the fixed version >>141601637 and try really hard to understand what it is about.
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>>141610679
>doesn't know that the probability of two events E and F, P( E union F) is the product P(E)P(F) if and only if E and F are independent
>he actually this retarded
There's no hope for /a/. We truly are the stupidest board.
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>>141610780
Negro, terraforming and space colonization don't happen when there is no intelligent life.
Take a deep breath.
Think.
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>>141610840
>still being this retarded
>ignores the fact that the probability of a planet harbouring life is not independent of that of other planets harbouring life
>doesn't know basic Laplacian probability
>throws in red herrings
>either he's this stupid or he's baiting this hard
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>>141601419
If the universe stretches infinitely(and that's how it appears from our perspective, though it's not certain) then with probability 1 somewhere out there there is a planet exactly identical to earth.
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>>141611057
Just shut up already you idiot.
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>>141611093
>this mad that he's shown definitively to be a retard
>lashes out at others for being expised as the absolute charlatan he is
>what is Dunning-Kruger, Alex?
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>>141611164
You have shown nothing.
All you are doing is demonstrating that you don't understand a simple formula, and it is getting tiring.
But I applaud your very impressive collection of smug reaction images.
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>>141611213
>doesn't recognizes that p^n denotes the probability that n planets have life only when the probability that a planet has life (i.e. p) are each independent across all n planets
>doesn't understand why this is hilariously incorrect
>he memorized grade school level stats formulae without understanding the assumptions that are prior to the validity of the formulae
>still being this retarded
>I'll take presistent dumbasses for \$200 Alex
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>>141611335
>>doesn't recognizes that p^n isn't part of the equation
Seriously. You are this fucking stupid.
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>>141611367
>doesn't understand that p is independent iff 1-p is independent
>he is unable to think abstractly
>grasping at straws and failing this hard
>this retarded
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>>141611548
With the reverse, they are independent. With no life present (and that is the basis of that equation), life cannot affect probabilities.
But go ahead and keep moving the goal posts to hide your dumb mistake.
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>>141601549
You mean just how "logically" scientists believed life can not survive without light until they were refuted by the existence of it in the Marina's Trench?
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>>141611654
No, I mean that you cannot determine something to be true when the maths says that it only may be true.
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>>141611615
>with the reverse, they are independent
>doesn't know that P(E) and P(F) are independent iff f(P(E)) and g(P(F)) are independent where f and g are any polynomial
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>>141611615
>i assume there is no life
>therefore my equations should reflect that there is no life
>wow, my equations predict there's no life, who would have guessed
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>>141611735
At this point you are purely shitposting. Come back when you have calmed down from the shame of being proven wrong so badly.

>>141611764
>>i assume there is no life
But I don't.
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>>141611686
>I can logically make a postulation based off lack of information
>But you can't logically make a postulation countering it for the same lack of evidence there of
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So, how do we make this into an anime?
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>>141611793
I made the postulation that it may or may not be true, based on lack of evidence.
I don't know what you are talking about.
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>>141611827
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>>141611891
What postulation did I make other than that you cannot say there is life out there?
I don't know what you are talking about.
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Fucking NERDS
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>>141611779
Then stop treating p as a constant probability
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>>141611947
Why?
All I need is an average of the probability that a star system gives birth to life. At trillions of repetitions, it doesn't matter if some stars are better for life than others. The average is what matters.
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>>141601549
Define life. Because our concept of life might differ from extra-terrestrial lifeforms. Just because they're by our definition not alive, doesn't mean they A. Don't Exist. B. Aren't alive
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>>141611939
Then you totally misread my intent and post there.
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>>141612136
>Just because they're by our definition not alive, doesn't mean they A. Don't Exist. B. Aren't alive
Yes, it does.
If they don't match our definition of life, then by our definition, they are not alive.
That doesn't mean that our definition is perfect. If some alien species makes contact with us and makes it necessary for us to change our definition of life, so be it. But until then, they cannot be considered life, because life has a definition, and if we don't go by that then we have nothing.
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>>141612262
>But until then, they cannot be considered life,
But they can, just like trees can feel pain and fear.
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>>141612168
Care to explain?
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>>141607211
>mfw human "music" just consists of simple air vibrations between 20 and 20k Hz
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>>141612295
Trees are considered alive, by our definition.

>But they can,
How?
Do you consider zeroes to be ones when the zeroes are looking at you with puppy eyes?
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>>141612356
I can consider things that aren't technically alive; alive easily.
Just because no example of something convincing exists doesn't mean it isn't impossible to fool a human brain.
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I actually think there's some potentially ignored gold here.

Consider the neural pathways that lead to us symbolically interpreting the, when you get down to it, very simplistic and very abstracted set of lines and colours as being analogous to what a human actually looks like.

Is the capacity for symbolic rather than literal representation of objects a necessity for intelligent ayys? What if you have some kind of hyper intelligent but also hyper literal race, that just construct a scale model of something they want to represent. Or just text exhaustively explain every feature of it. They would be unable to PERCEIVE anime, let alone produce it.

What if they ARE symbolic thinkers like us, but were all just really shit at drawing right up until their space age? Would their own inability to produce anime prevent them from appreciating ours?
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>>141612295
>just like trees can feel pain and fear.
lmao fuck off, it literally lacks any way to feel pain or fear

please call me when you see a tree with a brain and nervous system
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>>141612482
You are welcome to envision your waifu in all her glory.
I didn't mean to belittle your relationship..
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>>141601549
The estimated number of stars in the known universe isn't in the trillions, quadrillions, or even septillions. The number of estimated stars in the universe is 100 octillion stars, or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

http://www.space.com/26078-how-many-stars-are-there.html
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>>141612304
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>>141612777
Yes, I know OP was being stupid with his number.
But I figured using his number would be easier because I didn't know where I could find a probability for life in a hurry. I cheated.
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>>141612633
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>>141612808
Then you can consider me officially stupider than you.
Or, yourself to be bad at explaining things.
Whichever you prefer.
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The universe is millions of years old. What are the chances that there's life just as intelligent as us in this EXACT same moment out there?

If they were more intelligent than us they would have contacted us or at least responded. We've sent signals across the universe for light years around us and got no response. If there really is intelligent life out there, the fact that they haven't responded yet means they're so far away from us that even traveling at light speed it would take them several generations for them to reach back.

tl;dr no point in thinking about it until we get FTL travel.
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>>141613055
>in this EXACT same moment
We don't want them at the exact same moment as us, we want them to precede us, otherwise their signals will reach us too late.
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This is literally what the Drake equation is for niggas.
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>>141613118
The Drake equation only calculates the probable number of "ctive, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations". It does not calculate the probability of there being any at all.
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>>141613212
Finish reading the opening paragraph of the article you pasted that from anon.
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>>141613305
I'm sorry.
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If they're at the same tech level, I don't see why not.

If they're more advanced, why would they need 2d waifu's that can never truly love them when they can just make virtual ones?
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>>141613055
>the fact that they haven't responded yet means they're so far that our signals didn't reach them yet

ftfy

>>141613107
Wow that's the saddest thing I have ever heard.
Makes it even more unlikely to ever make contact with aliens.
Imagine their planet will get hit by a giant meteor and they are going to go extinct and we will hear their last moments without being able do to anything.
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>>141613055
You clearly have no clue the size of our galaxy, much less the universe. This picture shows just how far human signals have spread throughout our own galaxy.

No, not the square. The blue dot inside the square. That's it. Even at light speed, that's the extent of the our detectable footprint throughout the existing universe. That tiny blue spec in our singular little galaxy lost in a sea amongst trillions of other galaxies.
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>>141613673
And keep in mind that our signal isn't very strong to begin with and has been weakening ever since we figured out that we don't actually need to use high-power communications.
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>>141613673
Man imagine how awful it would be if in the next century intelligent alien life detects our radio wave transmissions and it's not a friendly species.
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>>141613863
What reason would they have to answer?
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>>141613939
"Oh hey slaves"
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>>141613959
We are already approaching a point where human labor becomes meaningless to US.
What use would human labor be to a species capable of traversing over a hundred light years?
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I saw some video were they mentioned how the first radio signals strong enough to be picked up by aliens were in 1937 from a speech by Hitler.
Kind of funny.

>>141614066
To make art!
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>>141614160
>To make art!
Clearly you don't know the human capacity to create art.
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>>141614160
>I saw some video were they mentioned how the first radio signals strong enough to be picked up by aliens were in 1937 from a speech by Hitler.
That was a movie. I think it was called "Contact".
It was largely good, but in the end it decided to jump every shark it could find.
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>>141613863
It's not awful. It's great. Finally, a release from this stalemate.
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>>141601419
There needs to be more Grays in anime desu. Only one I can think of is Gugure
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>>141611060
Not true. 'Infinite' does not mean all encompassing, it's just an endless sequence. Similar to how you can count infinitely but also skip numbers.
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>>141611060
The universe is definitely finite.
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>>141611060
But Vsauceman said the universe isn't infinite because it's still expanding.
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>>141614953
It's as infinite as a basketball is infinite as is It has no beginning and no end.
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>>141614997
Fuck that's deep and shit.
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>>141615094
Emphasis on shit.
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>>141613959
Resources is far more important than slave labour.
A Species able to bend time, space and even harness the power of suns, would mostly be interested on either biological and geological matter. As for their purpose? Unknown.

As for now, planet Earth is but a "reserve" devoid of tampering. With the exception being this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
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>>141615127
If they just want our genes, it'll be exactly like in our hentai.
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>>141615127
However. They may be already here. If we take account dimension, beings from the 4 dimension could be staring and observing us without any interaction whatsoever between them and we, or the gap of intelligence being so far ahead that we may look like mere "bugs" to them. And why would a man botter to talk to a cockroach?
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>>141615286
It really depends on the cockroach.
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There's two reasonable outcomes.

Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not.
Both are extremely terrifying.
Very, very, but very terrifying.
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Another far lesser speech comes down to the first radio wave we sent to space which will be, the first to be picked by other intelligent lifeforms.

That being,Adolf Hiter's speech during the Berlin Olympics.
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>>141615556
Realistically, we are alone in this universe even if there is life in different star systems.
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>>141613654
>>the fact that they haven't responded yet means they're so far that our signals didn't reach them yet
Our their signals haven't reached us yet.
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Things such as senses, humanoid form are completly bias like. For all we know, it could be cambrian like. It could even be inorganic, silicon based form. A bio machine.

A monolith or a xenomorph like parasite seems what we can expect.

Lovecraft is most suited along with Barlow's ideas.
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>>141614839
In this case the endless sequence would be that no matter how far in either direction you look there would always be stars and galaxies with more or less the same density as in our part of the universe.

>>141614898
Observable universe is, but it could be stretching infinitely in all directions past that.

>>141614953
The expansion is not about galaxies spreading away from some singular point, because there's no such point. It's about the space between these galaxies stretching.

Think of it as making two dots on a deflated balloon and then inflating it, the dots individually don't move from where they are but the distance between them increases.
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The nearest star system is over 4 light years away. Needless to say anybody travelling from that distance or further will be limited in what and who they can bring with them making populating other star systems highly unlikely, at least, purely with your own kind.

Anime was created by aliens to prepare us for the eventual forced breeding that will take place so said aliens can stealth populate our world.
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>>141616621
>parasite
You cannot have parasites without hosts.
>Lovecraft
No.
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>>141616705
>it could be stretching infinitely in all directions past that.
It started as finite (and very small). That's why, no matter how much it grew, it must still be finite.
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>>141616716
Yes!!Yes!!! YES!!!!
You think of greys? I think of shapeless creatures.
Humanoid=Sapient is an enormous error.
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>>141616793
Lovecraft is a little more than just shapeless.
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>>141601549
>Making predictions about the probability of life on other worlds when so far the confirmed number of worlds with life on them is 0 disincluding our own
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>>141616716
It's funny you should mention Lovecraft, because I was browsing the Hubble archives just today and stumbled upon this.
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>>141616775
No it didn't have to, the universe could be infinite from the start, and then still expand.
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>>141616775
The universe could still be infinite and what we call Big Bang just the expansion of our small observable universe
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PEOPLE. So much "should" and "could" that we've failed to realize how close and common aliens are to us. When man went to the moon, he became an alien. When we send probe to mars, we are sending alien vessels to probe and collect. At this very moment we have space stations, orbiting the planet.

So many stress for economy when the planet won't be enough for all the people in the next 100 years.
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>>141617089
Big Bang and all that stuff are just unapprovable speculations. This is not much different from religion
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>>141616775

That theory is based on the idea that there has only been a single Big Bang.

But if there have been multiple ones, and they keep occurring as a natural event (like quantum physics predicts), it is entirely possible that the 'universe' is actually a potentially infinite expanse of space wherein Big Bangs occur and expand space, energy, and matter infinitely.
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>>141617263
>Unproveable
Do you even red shift?
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>>141601521
>they're waifu a shit.
[relativistic velocity weaponry intensifies]
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>>141616856
The fact that we can't detect signs of non-Earth based life anywhere is supportive of any claim that life isn't very likely, so yeah.
We can argue about margin of error and exactly how unlikely we should consider life to be all day, but you'll note that the post you quoted held back on both fronts.
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>>141617263
>Big Bang and all that stuff are just unapprovable speculations.
I wish uneducated Americans could only lurk, never post.
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>>141617318
That's wrong though because so far we have personally visited no other planets. The fact we haven't detected radio waves and shit over 4 jillion billion miles doesn't say much.
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>>141617263

>unprovable speculation

The word you are looking for is theory, and it's not something that is unprovable. The thing that separates a theory from religion is that theory is inherently provable or disprovable, it's a question of how much evidence can be gathered and how strong said evidence is or is not.

Currently, there is an abundance of evidence that supports the big bang theory. There is evidence that contradicts it as well, like the necessity for the existence of dark energy to keep the universe expanding. But the single most telling sign that someone doesn't know jack shit about scientific theory is when they start comparing it to religion.
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doubt it desu
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>>141617311
>trying to hit a planet from hundreds of light years away
I don't think Heisenberg would approve.
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>>141617387
Everybody knows you're not really alive until you're spending your Saturday morning watching cartoons and eating pizza.
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>>141617263
Europe has CERN. Its experiments are quite remarkable and, well, way above my lesser mind to understand, other than prove certain unsettling theories rights. Some theories becames laws, for example we now know as a fact that space can be bended as Einstein predicted. We have the existence of black matter and something that can "transform" it into everything really. But questions do remain. What is black matter? Where does it come from?
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>>141617420

They just have to use carpet bombing doctrine.
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I like to think that aliens exist. Over the course of millions of years, why do we think they would have advanced similarly to humans, with technology and a lust for discovery amongst the stars? Their way of life could be much more laboured than ours, who rely on machinery to manage everyday tasks. They may not even desire so much in their every day life to even warrant technology.
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>>141617576
>Where does it come from?
Africa.
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Consider the fact that our observable universe is relatively tiny when put into the big picture.

Since we know space-time warps around objects with huge mass and perceived time flow is slower than it really seems around objects with large mass, ie. black holes, it's entirely possible that there's a super-massive black hole just outside of our observable universe, we're sitting here, in our tiny observable universe-bubble, completely oblivious while the rest of the universe is speeding towards its death.

There might have been aliens - have been, they're probably long dead and we never got to meet them. Our clock went slower than theirs by billions of years.
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>>141617576
Black matter is a hack.
When reality differs from theory, smart guys simply insert some variables and constants into formula until they got correct answer.
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>>141617659
That's not how evolution works.

>>141617660
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>>141617799
Are you Indian?

The proof of dark matter is that we can see galaxies hundreds of billions of light years away despite the sky not being completely saturated with stars to the point where it is solid white at night.
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>>141617793

That would be apparent in the way light coming from our furthest observable reaches is warped by the gravitational forces of such a black hole. As in, whichever direction that such a black hole would be in, the light coming from there would be far more red-shifted than the light coming from other sides of us. And that would be have been noticed ages ago by astronomers.
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I met an alien once....
His name was Eduardo Fernandez.
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>go to /a/

i'm ok with this
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>>141618271
Did he, did he ride his tiny "bicicleta"?
Did he?
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>>141617997

Most scientists have problems with the dark energy hypothesis, anon.
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>>141617997
Dark matter only interacts with gravity, so we look for it by searching for gravitational lensing and interactions of dark matter and normal matter, the fact that we can see things that far away has nothing to do with it.
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It probably exists, but we will never see it in all probability.
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>>141618756
If the light isn't being obstructed on an immense scale then multiple big bangs is impossible because the sky would literally be solid light.
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>>141619010

Big Bangs may be so distant from each other or so infrequent or both that it permits the night sky to be dark.
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>>141617997
>>141619010
The thing is that the sky is saturated with light in all directions, it's called cosmic microwave background, we can't see it because as it was travelling through expanding space it got shifted in frequency beyond our visible spectrum, but any sensitive enough radio telescope can see it.
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>>141619010

Multiple big bangs does not preclude the idea of a finite universe.
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>>141619311
So you're saying there was a finite number of big bangs? What caused them? How many are there?
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>>141619010
>is the argument that the darkness of the night sky conflicts with the assumption of an infinite and eternal static universe.
That doesn't hold up in our current understanding of the universe.
Even with multiple big bangs, in an infinite universe their light could simply not reached us yet and even then it would be redshifted into non-visible light.
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>>141619335

>So you're saying there was a finite number of big bangs?

That is the assertion, yes.

> What caused them?

What caused any Big Bang? The front running theory is that big bangs are a natural occurrence that is predicted by quantum physics as happening once in a very, very, very long time (billions and billions of times longer than the current estimate age of the universe). It is possible for energy to appear from nothing in quantum physics, although it is usually very short lived and this phantasmal energy collapses due to not being part of a balanced system. A big bang would be a case where the energy is created within a balanced system and it does not cease to exist instantaneously.

>How many are there?

Impossible to estimate, let alone guess. Depending on how expansive the universe is, there could be more big bangs out there than we could ever imagine.

>>141619416

It is also possible that a big bang has already reached thermodynamic equilibrium (heat death) before another big bang even begins to approach it via expansion.
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By the time any alien species received our transmission telling them that they're waifus a shit, our civilization will have long since ceased to exist.
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>>141620222

But it will have been worth it. Our mark on eternity, made.
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>>141620222
Our waifus ae the best you carbon based perpetual waste of energy.
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>>141620222
Still worth it
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We should build robots who are smart enough to build smarter robots who will then build smarter robots until they're so smart, they will travel through the stars and bring the ultimate knowledge to all aliens that we considered they're waifus a shit.
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>>141620891

Fuck that, let's just build robot waifus and live in bliss until the Earth is engulfed by the Sun's great red corpulence.
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>>141620222
>Turns out in the language of the aliens that received the transmission's language "shit" is the highest honour you can deliver to somebody
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>>141621286
And then the descendants of our robot waifus can go to the robot descendants of other alien civilizations who have died out eons ago and tell them that we considered they're robot waifus a shit, while they get told the same.

Then the great robo-waifu space war begins.
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>>141601549
With all due respect to Mr. Drake, his equation is total bullshit because he used the control as the experimental variable.
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>>141621916
You could have just said "he cobbled shit".
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>>141620222
>our waifu's will have died pure, but yours will always be a shit.
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>>141601897
> muh aliens won't look like us because I don't have a good reason but I watched alien planet on science channel and that's what I think all aliens should look like meme
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