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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

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>>141543953
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Friendly Reminder

How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji
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>>141588949
>>spells the word as romaji
goofed
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>>141588949
This list grows every time I look at it
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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Formally proposing that we rename DJT to
>Daisuki Japanese Thread
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>>141589225
No
>Daily Jotsuba Thread
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>>141589240
"Daily Jobber Thread" might be more fitting.
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The guide is taihen kuso desu. fuck anime.
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>>141589204
I've already studied today.
But your right.
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>>141589294
This is a shitpost.
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>>141589278
More like "Don't Jeven Try" thread
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So, no one answered my question. Is Tobira a good alternative after finishing Genki? I went to go a textbook route and I don't know what to do after I finish Genki.
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reminder that you should just give up
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>>141589396
Don't even bother, you obviously can't learn Japanese. Reddit loves textbooks btw, try asking there.
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ちくわ買ってくれよ!
そして食えよ、、、
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>>141589396
I haven't done it but as far as I know it's a good choice
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>>141589396
I went to tae kim and started reading native material after genki. You should know most of tae Kim by now but not everything (mostly slang/less used stuff)
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>>141589548
>>141589615
Thanks, I think I will start alternating with Tobira and native materials then. I think I'll start by reading easy manga.
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>>141589665
頑張って
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Do the Japanese have a native word for "kissing"?
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起きている人がありますか
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Is it really a big deal if I'm only getting 80% of my mature cards right? People say you should be at 90%.
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>>141588841
>>>/jp/
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>>141590469
アンキってなに?
人生ってなに?
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>>141590448
Why did you post this question here instead of checking a dictionary?
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>>141590448
Yeah. 接吻と口付ける。キス is just more common though.
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>>141590576
4chan is my dictionary.
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>>141590541
this is a manga thread, see the OP
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>>141590610
Get some friends loser.
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>>141590518
80% doesn't seem that low.
Looking at the retention percentage alone is pointless though.
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>>141590572
アンキはクソだ
日本の単語だったら、memorizationの意味だ。
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>>141590518
You have a hole in your head if you're finding somewhere for 20% of the cards you're looking at to disappear to. Mature cards are cards you've seen enough times they should be ingrained in your memory. If you aren't getting damn near a hundred percent on those then you should abandon all dreams of learning Japanese or better, just kill yourself.
Or more seriously study kanji or something, 80% actually is pretty low.
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>>141590572
Oops I see what you mean
I said あります instead of います
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>>141590671
See (pic related)
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本当な黒人の時間だぞ!
キサマが起こっていると、「好き」ボタンを壊してやがろぉ!!!
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If one more label try to stop me it's gon be some dreadhead niggas in ya lobby
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>>141591428
I can't get over how funny the concept of "black twitter/black Internet time" is. They think it's some kind of cool unique thing that belongs to them and all it is is the result of their short time preferences causing them to make bad decisions and not get enough sleep.
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>>141590518
My mature retention is only 68%. I don't think it is anything worth worrying about.
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>>141591540
>I'm retarded, so it's probably OK if you're also retarded.
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>>141591531
That's not really what's meant by "real nigga" in this context. They're just using the word nigger to mean "man", but they use a race specific word because they assume they're speaking to other black people.
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>>141591621
Will worrying about being retarded improve my stats? Any time spent trying to improve my retention is better spent learning more words.
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>>141591621
At least he's less retarded than you are, Brat.
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>>141591679
すべての外人はバカだ
諦めたほうがいい
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>>141591743
mjk爆笑
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>>141591675
You aren't really learning the words if your retention of them is that spotty, are you? That's a pretty loose definition of learning.
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>>141591675
no it'll make them worse

install true retention and watch as you realize how many new words you learn ever week and you'll stop giving a shit
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>>141591679
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>>141591768
あなたは爆笑だけ分かる
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このスレのみんなさまが大嫌いです。
・・・ていうか死んで欲しいからさっさとくたばれな
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みんな、日本語を使おう。
初心者でも大丈夫だ。
日本語を分かりたかったら、しょうがない。
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Are you learning Japanese for the destination or the journey?
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>>141592019
両方
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>>141590518
>>141591540
Mature retention should be 98%+
Even your Again count should be 85%+

Recognition is such a placebo, just switch to production so you can actually learn Japanese
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>>141591965
あなたは死ね
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>>141591978
いやです
英語の方がよかろう
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>>141591965
あなたは生きろ
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>>141592084
遠慮させていただきます。
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>>141592058
My again is like 90% and my mature is around 83%

I assume it's just because I mine a lot of weird obscure words
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>>141592086
なんでそんなことを言うの
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>>141592152
Entirely possible. Or you just forgot something you knew for the moment - yesterday, I forgot how to say microwave in English and had to call it "the thing that cooks food with cancer waves" while pointing at it.
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>>141592137
Are you talking about yourself or me?
I'm hearing it sort of like a "lord give me strength" type of phrase.
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おにいちゃん、しょうがないから、おまんこになかだししないとだめだよ
おにいちゃん、きいていたか
なかだししないとだめ
おにいちゃん
バカおにいちゃん
ずるいよ
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>>141592161
歪んだ日本語で会話は御免だ
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>>141592245
I'm saying "I'll refuse", but its written in keigo so its super polite
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>>141592253
エロゲを読めすぎる人を見つけた
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>>141592284
Thanks
ワロタ
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Where can I find Japanese subtitles or transcripts of any anime?
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>DJT subthread
Translate lyrics to a well known song, let anons guess

>Starting
また俺の物になりたい、ベイビ
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does anyone know what this guy is saying

http://loopthetube.com/#TOB-TKNVbJA&start=457.7&end=458.9
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>>141592362
http://kitsunekko.net/
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>>141592161
英語は最高なのじゃ
日本なんて知るか!
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>>141592365
こっちはいいです
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>>141592362
Shit I found a site not to long ago but I can't remember right now. Sorry
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エーエッチ
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>>141592310
エロげをあそんでつづけば、おにいちゃんとせっくすしてほうをきっとみつけるよ
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>>141592387
I wish there was a more comprehensive website than this, it's quite lacking

I really want Japanese Kiki's Delivery Service subs and the ones on there are awful
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>>141592374
First part is 話は

Second sounds like ケイチョ. Which, according to the dictionary is a "suspicious bird. Apparently, it can also mean "utter"
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>>141592402
Come my way, Fetty Wap?

>>141592374
How are japanese people so bad at rapping when like 90% of the language rhymes anyway
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>>141592281
I'm trying to ask why would you say such things. If you didn't ask me that then I didn't understand you. Sorry
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>>141592387
This was the one I was trying to remember

>>141592394
あなたはクソを満たされた
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>>141592506
Japanese friend explained it to me as "because everything can rhyme, no one tries". like it's so commonplace that it isn't viewed the same way it is with romance languages.
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>>141592506
>How are japanese people so bad at rapping

I've thought about this so much, I think it's just because culturally they're still stuck in the era of like early rap where it was all about just talking and there was a lot less focus on flow

Could also just be because syllabary's are a bitch
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>>141592464
How are they awful?
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>>141592623
It was like summarized so a lot of the dialogue wasn't even translated, the sub style also looked like something from the 1980s
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>>141592447
うそつき
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>>141592603
>Nobody tries
>TFW I'm Black

So you're saying if I move to Japan and actually try to rap I'll be instantly famous? Holy shit, it's fool proof.
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>>141592374
私は自閉症

Not a joke
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>>141592666
Pixelated yellow subs that remind you of downloading your anime in 65mb .rmvb is the only way to watch anime, honestly.

>>141592677
No, I mean no one tries because they don't care. It's not so impressive to them.
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>>141592706
i know

thats the joke xd
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>>141592709
>No they're just shit because they have shit taste in rap

Jesus that's depressing.
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>>141592709
I would have been able to bare it if the subs actually matched the dialogue
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>>141592744
you fucking got me
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i dont get all you kids saying theres no rhymes in the raps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHVoKEK6Txg
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おはようおにいちゃん

ほらせなかしゃんとして
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>>141592567
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>>141592666
>the sub style also looked like something from the 1980s

firstly, devilishly checked
and you can change the god damm sub style to be whatever font/size/shadow outline you desire if they're not hardsubbed aka encoded into the video file like some barbarian from the .avi cave man era
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>>141592387
This is perfect! ありがとう、兄弟
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>>141592926
され
おにいちゃんのおちんちんはあたしのものだよ
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>>141592944
Yeah I know, the main problem was that the subs were a summary of what was being said, not the actual dialogue
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>>141592974
translate every single word literally or im going to be PISSED
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あなたの大好きなアニメはクソだ
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>>141592994
>translate
>japanese subs of japanese things
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>>141592974
>>141593010
Are you sure the timing wasn't off? Did you open the .sub file in a text app, and ctrl+f what you hear to check and compare the timing of the subs?
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>>141593009
えー なんで
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Does DJT have a Discord group?
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>>141593010
i have to go up way too many replies in the chain to find that part

>>141593049
アニメだから
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>>141593058
discord is for 15 year olds

come holler at me on irc a real mans chat
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>>141593032
The timing was fine I could just hear that there was shit being spoken that wasn't written in the subs
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>>141593088
Where you at
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So I've been learning grammar for a bit (yeah I know, beginner stuff, sorry) and the past negative tense of words seem to always end in なかった. That's not particularly a problem for learning, but I feel like I've never actually seen or heard this form through any media I've consumed in the past. Is it simply because I never knew of it or because that form just isn't used? It just sounds so clunky to say out loud as well (likely because I feel like I've never heard it).
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>NHK easy has no translation, so I have no clue whether or not I'm reading it right
>Yotsuba requires me to actually type the definitions into Anki
How do I properly mine, /djt/?
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>>141593185
It's used, people are just more likely to use ませんでした for politeness or a more vulgar past-negative for refusal.
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>tfw no djt bf to fug
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>>141593207
I figured there'd be a different form that's more commonly used. Are those forms covered later on? Sorry for such a basic question, I feel bad asking this in the first place.
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>>141593248
You will learn everything that you need to learn.
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>>141593190
Install Rikai and the Anki add-on, mouse-over, hit R with your mining deck open.
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Are you nervous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eitRCKDU9Ic
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>>141593296
That's what I've been doing. I've been using NHK easy for that, but as I said, it has no English translation.
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>>141593308
The girls voice in this is かわいすぎる
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>>141593248
If you are using the genki books, then the ませんでした form is learned first.
If you are using Tae Kim, then なかった is learned first. I don't know the order for any other books. I think both forms are pretty common though
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>>141593325
wait wtf
what do you think rikai does normally?
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>>141593308
Dog
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>>141593385
No, I meant for the entire sentence. I need to be sure I'm understanding the grammar and usage correctly.
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>>141593407
Damnit take your frog back to /int/.
hes not welcome here
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>>141593439
No
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>>141592940
Thanks anon. For some reason I had 小中ロック2 but not 小中ロック. Time to fap.
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>>141593479
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>>141593420
Mining is for words, not grammar.
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>>141593420
ah i see, you're more fussy than i
i just wing it and re-read the sentence until it an explanation fits the context

what ive covered already in TK helps tremendously though
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>>141593308
This is me
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>>141593058
hmmm, this is a good post
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Best japanese IME for linux? / Is it as good as googles for windows?
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>>141593218
where is the anime shitposter when you need him
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>>141593653
Indeed
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>>141593666
anthy on ibus

don't listen to the memers that recommend anything else, ibus is the only backend with high incompatibility rates and anthy is the only input system that's not difficult to modify.
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>>141593673
im playing videogames!!
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>>141591965
死んでも生きて帰る
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>>141593709
>ibus is the only backend with high incompatibility rates
without*
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>>141593709
>>141593734
Thanks!
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>>141592464
http://pastebin.com/XHQHmszi

Follow the link in the pastebin, download the subs and let me know if they work. I had to learn how to extract subs from an MKV, so I may have messed them up some how.
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>>141593673
No don't do that!
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>tfw no adderall connections
>just bought a bunch of preworkout
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>>141593190
use Kanjitomo to read manga
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>>141588949
>maintains shit guide
>tries to curtail people calling out shit guide by doing it for them
>instead just makes it look more shit

your shit guide sucks
youre awful
you have no organization, for something 1542 times iterated upon , you sure have jack shit to show for it

like, motherfucker, you could have started a company and monetized it and streamlined it and even got your own apps made specifically for this scenario
instead, youre sitting here just spamming the same shitty guide with minimal effort and shit advice/shit banter between the same 4-5 samefags shitting up the place

i know if i had to do something 1542 times, i'd made damn sure i'd be done right and every flaw be fixed.

your guide is shit, your threads are shit. nothing in that guide is helpeful.
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>>141594053
t. shitposter
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>>141594053
Saváge
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>>141594053
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結婚は人生の墓場にほかならない。
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>>141594053
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>>141593777
Oh man that's perfect, all synced up and everything, thanks man!
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>>141594228
No problem. Now that I know it works I can upload it to kitsunekko.
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アロハ〜
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>>141593777

firstly fucking 7s are you kidding me, fuck this thread

http://www.nikse.dk/subtitleedit/ this app is like babbies aegisub but it works for me
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>>141592387
I've wanted something like this for a long time but didn't know where to look.

Thank you.
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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

フルーチェいっしょにつくろ

なにあじにする?
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>tfw majored in chinese and now that I'm learning japanese, kanji is ez-mode for me
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>>141594532
were you born a flavor of asian?
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>>141594604
No
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>>141594422
ive been taking steps for a while and ive already seen great payoffs i cant wait to see what the future holds in store
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>>141594532
草泥马 dude
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>>141594643
だめ~
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>>141594532
The flip-side of this is that you learned Chinese. I'd rather hammer nails into my ears than learn a disgusting language for disgusting people.
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>>141594704
thats cool dude tell me more
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>>141594704
wew lad
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>>141594532
手紙

RTK is supposed to put you in a similar position, from what I understand.
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>>141594704
this guy fucks in nanking
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>>141594852
is that like the extent of your asian history chops lol
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Aww shit, anki is great. Thanks, djt
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>>141594927
Let's see if you're still saying that a few months down the line
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>>141594898
no i also watched the last samurai
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>>141594952
lol good shit i respect that
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>>141588841
3rd update and follow up post from the previous two, with Anki stats summary:
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/140616309/#140621970
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/140955669/#140978441
Link to progression spreadsheet for more accurate details:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZSZ8Wobb3hup9vGY-kJSsG_DxIPVLzCOJvzH4KSwD94/edit?usp=sharing

Started added daily reading into the mix, which is both rewarding and enjoyable, with a goal to make a dent in either the 戯言シリーズ or ハルヒシリーズ by the year end.
What are your Japanese language goals for this year, anon?
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>>141595137
クールストーリーブロ
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>>141595137
1. Do something every day
2. Keep up with my reps
3. Finish 3 VNs.

Going well so far.
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>>141595137
I love when you can just see the burnout approaching on someone's Anki stats.
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>>141595137
Hopefully not regret doing vocab only at the end of the year, finish Tae Kim and hopefully finish Axanael.
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>>141595137
>keep going through 2k6k
>finished off tk
>continue DoJG deck
>read at least 1 nhk easy article a day
>read at least a chapter of yotsubato
>maybe rewatch some finished series with jap subs
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今日は何ができたの?
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>>141595137
なんというきれいなブログ
まあ、ぼくはこの年末までに日本語を全部習いきる決心したぞ
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>>141595137
I'm going to drop the vocab only approach and do RTK, probably while reading through imabi. After that, I may finish Core2K, or I might just start reading; depends on my level of confidence when I reach that point.
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>>141595558
いい物語、兄貴。
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>>141595547
なにも
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>>141595604
You can't read anything after RTK.
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>>141588841
>>>/jp/
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>>141595547
作りましょう、作りましょう

さて、さて、何ができるかな

はい!できました

クソケーキです!
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>>141595617
There's a good chance you can read Yotsubato if you pick a little bit of grammar and vocab up on the side.
At least I could after doing a big part out of a recall/recognition deck in anki. Most of what contributed to being able to read probably came from anime, though.
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>>141595325
Which VNs are you looking to read/finish?
>Going well so far.
Good stuff man.

>>141595467
How far into Axanael are you?

>>141595515
Do the nhk easy articles provide an insight into the daily news/happenings in Japan like a fully fledged article or are they more non-topical stuff? I think I read somewhere that it is made for native children.

>>141595604
>I'm going to drop the vocab only approach and do RTK
Sounds good anon. Can't hurt to add kanji specific study into the mix.
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>>141595818
Finished Satsukoi a couple weeks ago and started Tonakoi. Not sure what #3 will be, probably the first Leyline game.
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>>141595907
Where you adding unknown words to Anki from Satsukoi? How would you say you were at prior to and after reading it, in terms of improvement?
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>>141595677
ああ、懐かしいです
いいネタです
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>>141595677
I love you anon.
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>>141595605
すみません遅れた
大ありがとう
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>>141595938
I started mining when I started Satsukoi, before that I completed the Nayr's 5k deck. Satsukoi took me 4 months to complete, I mined about 2400 words/phrases, but by the end I'd only gone through about 1200, so I still have a big backlog.

By the end I was reading faster because I learned a lot of the vocab that the author liked to use. Sex scenes were definitely faster by the end because I learned a bunch of anatomy vocab. I don't feel like my grammar improved much, but I'm going through the DOJG deck now so hopefully it gets better.
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Hyper英語BrainTower is on JPTV now.
Might be an amusing way to learn.
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新しい言葉覚えたくない、、、
ankiが嫌いだ
でも覚えないと上手にならない、、
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Is 動悸 why ドキドキ is a thing or is that a coincidence?
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>>141594927
>>141596245

Well that was quicker than I expected
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>>141596104
Now doing a part on turning ひらがな and かたかな into kanji.
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>>141595137
>What are your Japanese language goals for this year, anon?
After my first year of Japanese learning I had finished 3 manga and 8 VNs. So if you're not aiming for at least that, you suck and should just give up now.
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>>141596386
It's not about plowing through them like your mom it's about taking your time to learn what you don't know.
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>>141595818
>Do the nhk easy articles provide an insight into the daily news/happenings in Japan like a fully fledged article or are they more non-topical stuff?

they don't make shit up, but its obviously a very cut down version of a full article
basically the dots points of what happened, when, where and whom was involved
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>それでは - think its それなら
>それなら - think its それでは

these cards were put here by satan
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wow a japanese man on the TV just told me all i needed to know about 貪 and 貧

now I can really do anything
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>>141596520
It was pretty interesting not that you really need it considering none of the Japanese people knew it.
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聞き分ける = To tell by hearing
見分ける = To tell by seeing

Right? or is there another way of understanding it in Japanese?
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>>141596104
Man, that last segment was a joke. I was within about 5-10% of all the answers, fucking celebs not having any idea how ippanjin live.
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>>141596599
pretty spot on
literally it's more like "hear and tell apart" and "see and tell apart"
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Check em
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>>141596900
holly sheeet, witnessed
nice work
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Is SZS somewhat suitable for beginners? I'm gonna give it a try either way but just in case I get blown out I'd like to be able to tell myself it was to be expected
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>7:44 casket2020: The Chinese do indeed obtain their power from eating dog.

twitch chat is never wrong
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女未
女市
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>>141597834
No.
Anything by Kumeta isn't particular suitable for beginners.
If you are going for it anyway be aware that he does a lot of wordplay.
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>>141595137
>no red
either you're already know all the vocab - so you're just wasting you time on anki getting nothing out of it
or
you use a bullshit cognitive dissonance way of grading yourself - waste your time on anki without learning much
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>>141598483
Have a look a the spreadsheet for more information before you make swift judgements.
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Why do some kanji look different when I do my reps on PC compared to my phone?
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>>141598523
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification
The Han Unification of Chinese glyphs has had a flow on effect, impacting certain characters used in Japanese text, rendering in their Chinese variants.
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>>141598483
But there's plenty of red
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>>141598652
I don't think anon paid close enough attention to the values, saw a small amount of red and made assumptions from that point. It wouldn't be the first time someone has misinterpreted posted Anki stats.
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>>141598686
you're like a child with fingers in his ears shouting, like that would make the truth go away

look if you want to live in your fantasy stats bubble - go ahead, you're not fooling anyone else though.
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>>141598790
I don't know what your issues are anon but good luck with them.
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>>141598483
Why do braindead retards who can't even manage 90% talk shit online?

I guess it's just Dunning-Kruger.
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Japan just got wiped off the map by another earthquake, why are you still learning a dead language?
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>>141598916
Earthquakes can't destroy my backlog, anon

Yet I continue hoping
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Me after doing my reps on paper
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>>141598938
How about a glass of 精液 to rejuvenate your energy?
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>>141597834
Humour relies on instantaneous comprehension. Comedy is probably the absolute worst thing you could choose to read as a beginner.
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>>141598523
>Why do different fonts look different?
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>>141599087
See >>141598581 is isn't simply a font issue, it's an encoding issue and why Android devices outside of Japan will run into this Han unification issue and due to Google not caring, the user essentially has to root the device to get correct Japanese displaying system wide glyphs.
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じしんだよ

平成28年05月16日21時33分 16日21時23分頃 茨城県南部 M5.6 震度5弱
平成28年05月16日21時26分 16日21時23分頃 茨城県南部 M5.6 震度5弱
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>>141597974
>>141599050
Yeah, as much as I like SZS this isn't really working out. Guess I'll read Yotsubato as my first manga
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I'm trying to set up auto import but nothing happen when I press R, no errors or anything.
The log just says:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Main: START

What's wrong?
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>>141599585
I've got no experience with troubleshooting rikai, but are you maybe on Rikaichan rather than rikaisama?
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>>141599439
http://typhoon.yahoo.co.jp/weather/jp/earthquake/20160516212310.html?c=99
http://www.jma.go.jp/jp/quake/quake_local_index.html

平成28年05月16日21時33分 16日21時23分頃 茨城県南部 M5.6 震度5弱
平成28年05月16日21時26分 16日21時23分頃 茨城県南部 M5.6 震度5弱
平成28年05月16日17時54分 16日17時50分頃 日向灘 M4.7 震度3
平成28年05月15日13時01分 15日12時57分頃 薩摩半島西方沖 M4.4 震度2
平成28年05月15日10時14分 15日10時10分頃 岩手県沖 M4.6 震度3
平成28年05月14日04時10分 14日04時06分頃 薩摩半島西方沖 M5.0 震度2
平成28年05月13日17時29分 13日17時24分頃 台湾付近 M5.3 震度2
平成28年05月12日15時37分 12日15時32分頃 根室半島南東沖 M4.8 震度3
平成28年05月12日13時35分 12日13時30分頃 台湾付近 M6.3 震度3
平成28年05月12日12時22分 12日12時17分頃 台湾付近 M6.4 震度2


A little more info on the general seismic activity in the region.
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Let's brag about how much we read today.

I read this much http://pastebin.com/7ifzRYaC
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>>141599585
>>141599650

Nvm solved, the version was too old.
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>>141599690
I read around 150 pages of manga and maybe half a wikipedia page worth of text. Not really brag worthy but my vocab is pretty limited.

Do you usually keep track of what you are reading like that? How does it compare to an average day of reading? How long have you been actively studying to reach that point?
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>>141599766
He's just running some shitty VN through a text hooker.
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>>141599782
Thanks but I'm more interesting in discussing this with anon himself. Closing discussion before they start is kind of boring on a site designed for open flowing discussion.
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>>141599766
Yeah like >>141599782 said I don't keep track, I just copied the text from a text hooker when I was done reading this time.

This took about an hour, I usually read 15 min to an hour a day. I've been studying for about 3-4 years
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>>141599585
Go to your browser's add-ons page/window, open the preferences for Rikaisama, then click the "Clipboard & Save" tab.

There will be a field labelled "Saved audio". You need to point this to Anki's collections.media folder if you want audio to work.

Now go to the Anki tab. There are two important fields here: "Save format" and "Field names". In the "Save format" field, you need to tell Rikaisama what information you want it to save. Here is an example:
>$d$t$r$t$n$t[sound:$a]
The above tells Rikaisama to save the dictionary form of the word you've hovered over (this means conjugations will be stripped from it, so 食べます would be saved as 食べる), the reading (hiragana characters showing pronunciation of the word), the English definition of the word, and the audio clip (if one is available).

Now for the "Field names" field. You enter into here the names of the fields in your Anki deck separated by spaces like so:
>Vocab Reading Definition Audio
You need to make sure these fields exist in your Anki deck.

Two more things.
1. You must install the Rikaisama add-on for Anki.
2. You must have open the deck that you want to save the word to (see pic)
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QUICK

What did you name your mining deck?
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>>141599906
Mining, you sperg.
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>>141599849
>I've been studying for about 3-4 years
How is your language proficiency aside from reading? In those 3~4 years, have you also reached a point wherein you can have conversations in text and speaking with others in Japanese, etc.? I'm guessing your listening proficiency is pretty reasonable given the VNs(?)
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>>141599906
I don't have one
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>>141599906
I've got like 4 of them, they're all named after what I was mining for them at the time and have now finished reading and moved onto something else and so are completely unrelated
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>>141599951
Well I have the N2, getting close to N1 I think. I believe I would be able to have a conversation about everyday stuff without too much trouble, but I don't know for sure as I've never actually met any Japanese people face to face
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>relearned cards almost equals new cards learned
So if I forget as many cards each day as I learn, that mathematically proves that it's impossible for me to learn Japanese.
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>>141599906
この言葉をおぼえてくれぇ!
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>>141599906
I'm too embarrassed to say.
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>>141600129
Good job.
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What is this bullshit on jptv right now,
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>>141598523
root the phone + use kanji fix app

it's because google is a shit and orders chinese before japanese at all times in the font load order, even if the page specifically specifies it's japanese text

or if you have the option available, put your android language into japanese
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あーしたてんきになーあーれ
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>>141599167
>>141600663
So that's why, thank you.

>if you have the option available, put your android language into japanese
Shouldn't have bought a Samsung fuck.

There is no other way without rooting it right? I'm not afraid of it, but I just bought that phone yesterday and would prefer to keep my warranty for a while.
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それをし続けなきゃ破綻する

what is this
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>>141600898
If we don't continue doing that we'll fail?
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>>141600852
I don't believe so, I had the same issue a while back.

The bug has been around for YEARS now (if you google around, a bug report from 2009 or so appears) so I don't think it'll be changed anytime soon. Japanese consumers just switch the OS to Japanese afterall, and even if they couldn't, the differences are obvious to them. It only really harms learners, it's a minor annoyance to the rest.

If you manage to find a way, report back, but I wouldn't look too hard honestly.
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So how do you test if you phone produces the wrong kanji, what kanji are effected?
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>>141600898
破綻って、おいしそうなパンみたいな発音だとおもうよ
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>>141601137
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification
there are examples anon


Does anyone know if you can increase the font size of a whole deck in anki?
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>>141601137
check the han unification page on your normal desktop browser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification
the table should show the subtle differences


or if
今直ぐ、全部道を入る命令
looks fucked? those are probably the more commonly fucked up ones
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>>141601358
>Does anyone know if you can increase the font size of a whole deck in anki?
Found it.
I'm stupid.
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>>141601358
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#card-styling

http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/css5.shtml

I was going to say "kindly read the anki guide" but it mentions nothing about styling. It probably should...?
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>>141601473
What's the source of the picture of the girl painting and the one to the right of that?
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Guys. What's the word for "capture" that sounds like kakugo?
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>教えたら教えたで

Does this mean "Even if you tell him"?
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>>141601545
This thing here, and はるみねーしょん
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Any way to make Anki show my most "wrong" words in order?
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>>141601636
Not that guy.
Oh that was that postcard set, it didn't come from that issue though anon.
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>>141601668
You can browse them by enabling the lapses sort field
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>>141601865
Huh I'm retarded, how do you get to this option?
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>>141601636
Now I know where this came from.

Are there scans of either? I didn't see any in the one minute that I searched.
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>>141601907
Right click the bar with the field names.
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>>141601632
https://www.renshuu.org/grammar/640/%E3%81%9F%E3%82%89~%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A7
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>>141601506
>It probably should...?
The anki guide doesn't need to attempt to be a shitty version of a far better user manual which already exists. If anything, more people should be encouraged to read more about the program they are going to be likely using on a daily basis.
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>>141601934
大変勉強になりました
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>>141602117
ノープロブレムです
>>
どこに住んでいますか?
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>>141602234
Wiktionary is the best online source
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8E#Etymology
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>>141602234
chinese magic
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>>141602392
にほんだよ

かんこうにきてね
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>>141602746
いもうとの股間を観光したい
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>>141602746
日本人じゃない?
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>1k+ due
>anki sends me an email telling me to kill myself
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>>141602234
美 consists of 羊 and 大, so it's a large sheep. Of course large sheep are beautiful.
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>>141603474
Real sheep have curves
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>>141603439
That's some pretty powerful できない when even Anki's telling you to give up
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>adblock disabled
>be browsing jisho and tae kim
>google ads starts displaying Naruto ads

reeeee

this is why I hide the fact that I learn japanese, even AI thinks it's cancer
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>guy on /hgg/ was raised by Japanese parents in american and thus knows Japanese well enough to fansub anime
>doesn't know kanji so he machine translates visual novels / eroge
Holy shit born with a silver spoon and you fucking shit on it
>>
What's the common meaning of こなす?
It's one of those words with a bunch of meanings that makes it hard to grasp.
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>>141604473
Digest.
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How often does /djt/ shower?
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>>141604473
be good at or accomplish/carry out/do/complete (as in "complete a task")

i have never seen it used to mean digest
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>>141605249
週に
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>>141605249
I take a shower in the morning.
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>>141605249
2 reps a day, 0% dirt retention
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>>141605249
That mostly depends on how often I fap. After 4-5 faps my underpants are getting annoyingly sticky and gooey, so I take a shower and change clothes about once every 2-4 days.
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reminder that if you dedicate all your time to rote memorization of vocabulary you will have trouble recalling that information in any other context

grind less, read more and talk to japanese people
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>>141605249
Every morning like 10 minutes after I wake up

I can't focus on shit unless I wake myself up with a shower first
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>>141605249
>Ask ともだち why 浴びない
>He says it saves 金
Fucking wash yourself you filthy neets. If not for others, then for yourself at least!
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>>141603439
LEARNING JAPANESE IS ABOUT BEING A GRINDER! SOMEONE WHO FIGHTS THEIR WAY THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY GO THROUGH! DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR REPS! DON'T GIVE UP ON READING! DO NOT GIVE UP ON YOUR GOALS AND YOUR DREAMS!

YOU WANT TO IMPROVE YOUR READING? GRIND! YOU WANT A LARGER VOCABULARY? GRIND! YOU WANT TO LEARN JAPANESE? GRIND! IT'S ABOUT WAKING UP EARLY, STAYING UP LATE, AND DOING WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO REACH YOUR GOALS! YOU HAVE TO RISE AND GRIND!

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PUTTING IN HOURS, IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THOSE HOURS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN! YOU CAN'T BECOME GREAT UNTIL YOU FIGHT GREATNESS! YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT OUT OF JAPANESE IF YOU'RE GOING AFTER WEAK AND EASY TARGETS! YOU DON'T CLIMB A MOUNTAIN BY LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM! YOU CLIMB A MOUNTAIN BY CLIMBING TOWARDS THE SUMMIT! DON'T TRY TO AVOID THE HARD PARTS AND GO AROUND THE DIFFICULT READING MATERIAL! TAKE IT HEAD ON AND FIGHT YOUR WAY THROUGH IT!
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>>141605249
まぁ、普通には1日に一回ですけど、家族か水の無駄遣い入っていってるから運動とか外に出る時にしかしなくなりました。ニートっていいですねーwww
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>>141605563
>that image
s-stop
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>>141605522
Disgusting ape.
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>>141605698
I'll grind you.
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>>141605249
I showered for the first time since March the 6th yesterday. I'm not joking.
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>>141606147
Do you usually bath, you cheeky cunt?
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>>141606147
You fucked up. I never shower otherwise it would wash away the fish oil I've lathered over my body for retention gains.
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>>141588841
How do I get non-shit retention? I've been doing words for 6 days now (used to do 30 words per day, dropped down to 20 now) and I literally can't get above 40% retention. I've tried everything, writing words down, saying them out loud but nothing increases my retention (writing them down actually lowers it). My friend who started studying Japanese at the same time as me has 70% retention.
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>>141606340
Have you done kanji study before that? (RTK, KD, etc). If not, you're also learning the kanji and shit retention is normal until you start getting used to them.
If you already know kanji, then you're doing something wrong.
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>>141606340
So you can't remember a picture after seeing it multiple times, at all? Seems like a learning disability
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>安い
I'm a little confused with this word.

RTK tells me that 安 is "relaxation", but Core2k says 安い is "inexpensive".
Are those two concepts just closely associated in Japanese, or is there something I'm missing?
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>>141606340
6 days is nothing, guaranteed you're just over thinking things, keep at it and if it's not better in a few weeks you have brain cancer
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>>141606472
Words can have different meanings without them having to be too closely related

Hell there are some Japanese words that have contradictory meanings
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>>141606472
>he fell for the RTK meme
dude...
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>>141606340
FISH OIL
I
S
H

O
I
L
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>>141606472
It means both, depending on what follows it.
See these for example.
安らか
安易
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>>141606472
RTK picks (usually) one of the more common meanings a kanji can have as its keyword. It's very common for kanji to mean multiple things among multiple words.

Think of it as a fuzzy cloud of meaning rather than a 1:1 relationship for kanji:meaning.
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>>141606472
http://jisho.org/search/*%E5%AE%89*

Kanji can get used for all kinds of more or less related words.
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>>141606405
I haven't done kanji study, I asked some of my friends who are ~6 months in and they said they never did kanji study, so I thought it wouldn't be needed. I'll try doing kanji study and see if that improves things.

>>141606419
Pretty much. There's some words I've done wrong 10+ times (I counted). A lot of the time I either know how it's pronounced but not what it means, or more commonly I know what it means but not how it's pronounced.

>>141606490
It is very little but right now learning 20 new words a day takes me like 2 hours, and I really can't afford to spend 3+ hours a day on Japanese outside of weekends
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>>141606660
>It is very little but right now learning 20 new words a day takes me like 2 hours
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>>141606472
安 itself carries a "relaxation" nuance, 安い is a new word (adjective) made from 安. The kanji that words are made of can have different degrees of similarity to the word's meaning, but generally it's best not to look for connections using the English language and just try to get a feel for them.

>>141606340
Since you only just started don't worry too much about retention. Keep faithfully pressing "again" when you don't remember a word until you do and you'll eventually pick up. Just don't pass a word on just because you kinda or almost remembered it or your retention will remain trash.
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>>141606340
I would read up a little bit on how memory works if you haven't already, it might clear up some things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_effect

Make sure your anki is set up properly, re-read through the anki guide (esp the part where you raise daily reviews to 9999 so none are being pushed back)

If all of the above doesn't help, perhaps try timeboxing / focusing techniques while studying? Pomodoro technique helped me a lot to not get burnt out.

Or simply just don't sweat it dude, maybe you'll climb the hill a little slower than someone else, in the end you'll reach the same destination.
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>>141606660
You don't necessarily have to do it. And doing RTK is a half-year investment.
It will be considerably harder to learn vocab if you don't know kanji at all, but it's certainly doable.

I'd recommend looking up the 200 or so radicals at least, though, so you can have names for them for easier remembering.
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>>141606472
Wait till you get to 着, you're in for a doozie.
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>>141606660
>or more commonly I know what it means but not how it's pronounced
Have you watched anime before starting to learn Japanese? If you haven't that might explain your below average recognition of Japanese sounds I guess? Below average as in compared to wee/a/boos. I know I had an easy time at the start because I recognized the majority of words' reading from hearing them in anime.
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>>141606745
>And doing RTK is a half-year investment.
Bollocks, it's two months if you aren't slow as shit.
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>>141606973
Not at his time limit of 2-3 hours a day.
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>>141606729
So is my retention expected to increase as I get more familiar with Japanese? That's what I thought too, I just wanted to be sure I'm not learning incorrectly or something.

>>141606741
I'll check out those links shortly, thanks. My anki is set up properly, but thanks for the reminder. I'll read a big about these "timeboxing" and "pomodoro technique" things as well, thanks for bringing that up.

>>141606745
I'll look into radicals, thanks. Just straight up learning vocab and skipping kanji would be faster than first learning kanji and then vocab, right? I'm not really interested in hand-writing Japanese, so I don't need to know kanji for that.

>>141606859
I've seen a little over 600 hours of anime IIRC. Perhaps not a lot by /a/ standards, but it should be enough, right?
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>>141607078
>So is my retention expected to increase as I get more familiar with Japanese?

Yes, definitely. You'll start recognizing repeatedly occurring symbols (radicals) and eventually you'll know what certain words mean just by knowing the kanji they're made of.
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>>141606745
>And doing RTK is a half-year investment.
wot

It's a 3 month investment at 25 kanji a day.
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>>141607348
That depends on how you do it.
When I did RTK I wrote out every kanji at least 20 times and once during reviews, so it took a lot of time.
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>>141607393
>When I did RTK I wrote out every kanji at least 20 times
Well there's your problem. If you'd read the introduction to the book, you would've seen that Heisig explicitly tells you not to write the characters out tons of times.
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>>141607393
>When I did RTK I wrote out every kanji at least 20 times
Doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of RTK?

You should only have to write each Kanji once unless you're planning on becoming a writer.
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>>141607448
Heisig was wrong several times in his instructions. He also said not to do recognition practice and do production only instead.
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How do I unlearn Japanese?

I am moving to Germany soon and I don't want to be taken for a Nazi sympathizer.
I already passed N2 and barely missed N1, how long would it take me to forget Axis moon characters?
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>>141607501
>He also said not to do recognition practice and do production only instead.
Why is that wrong?
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>>141607511
Just do 2-3 hours of anki each day, it seems to be the safest way to never become good at Japanese.
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I would like to understand the purpose of this thread.
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>>141607601
It is a thread for doctors trying to go to japan.
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>>141607659
Hilarious, but seriously. Japanese I can help with, I'm a native.
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>>141607601
Answering questions like >>141606340, >>141589396, >>141590518, >>141592374, >>141602234 and discussing the learning of Japanese like >>141592019, >>141603439, >>141595137

inb4
>but the majority of replies are shitposts
But not all of them!
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>>141607789
Please explain the difference between
開く - あく
開ける - あける
開く - ひらく
開ける - ひらける
明ける - あける

Every word except ひらける is tagged as both transitive and intransitive
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>>141608053
Just memorize them as "to open" and slowly learn from context which version is usually used when.
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>>141608053
>Core
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>>141608443
The problem is that you never know which one is used while reading. Even Japanese give contradictive answers as seen here http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1312584688

>>141608491
What are you quoting?
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>>141608600
>Even Japanese give contradictive answers
That's your cue to stop giving a fuck and just move on to more important things.
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>>141608600
People that complain about same kanji verbs like those 開 ones are people that get them all dumped on them at once while doing core

It's much less of a bitch if you encounter them all in context
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I'm doing a project and need some data from you guys

Just post your hourly breakdown graph along with your sleep schedule

>wake up at 9, bed at 1 am
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>>141593058
>>141593653
>>141593679

Lets create one then.
https://discord.gg/010y85EcrJewurTzb
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Does anyone know what the first Kanji is supposed to be? I know the second one is 心 but I cant find the correct radicals for the first one. All I know is that it is connected to Buddhism. Thanks for anyone who can help me out here.
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>miss a couple weeks
>over 1300 reviews due this past weekend
>grind down to 600 due today

you really probably can learn japanese
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>>141608710
I've never really known how the fuck this graph even works but happy to help

Wake up at 7am, bed at 1am
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>>141608710
>wake up whenever, bed whenever
t. neet
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>>141608750
雅 maybe?
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>>141608710
Wake up at 1 pm, go to bed at 5 am.
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>>141608750
唯心
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>>141608710
Admire my beautiful bell curve. Wake up at 8, bed at midnight.
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Its very slight, and would be better if the graph zoomed into the top percentages to see the real difference, but you can clearly see a deterioration after about 5pm
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>>141608850
>>141608810
It seems that it is this one. Fuck, I could have sworn that the first Kana looked like a タ.
Still, you have my gratitude
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>>141608987
The long stroke is part of the right radical
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Am I the only one who thinks Tae Kim's writing style somehow comes across as rude? Especially in his blogposts and comments.
I always imagine him as an insufferable douchbag.
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>>141609018
Kudos to you figuring that out. Still need to strengthen my knowledge of stroke orders for long radicals.
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>>141608987
Mmm it would have taken me ages to figure that out, seems obvious when you know what it's supposed to be though

I'd probably have just done a ?心 on Jisho and scrolled til I saw it
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>>141609029
Maybe it comes off as casual or informal but idk about rude

Are you a jap?

Try to avoid kanjidamage you might have a heart attack
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>>141609091
And now I feel silly for not using this search method. I recognised the radical to the right, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me that the left radical was 口 and not タ
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>>141609029
He sounds like a cool dude to me, maybe grow a skin or go to Reddit where everyone is extremely careful with their posts to not hurt anyones feelings?
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>>141608710
This is from the deck I started 14 months ago. I usually sleep from 4AM-Noon.
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>>141609029
Only if you like RTK.
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>>141609254
It's usually better to do your reps after you wake up than when you're sleepy and about to go to bed.
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>>141608710
Up at 5AM, bed at 8:30PM

Anybody else here find playing a few quick games of something before study in the morning really helps a ton?
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>>141609140
>>141609221
>>141609272
Yeah maybe it's just me whatever. Nope I'm not a jap and I usually don't care how people write.
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>>141609399
What does "RTK (done wrong)" entail?
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>>141608710
I usually sleep between 1am-9am, and I take a 2 hour nap every day around 2pm-5pm. I also usually work out or start cooking at 6pm.
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>>141609533
Using it, at all.
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So what's the deal with sometimes の replacing が?
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>>141609533
recognition/taking too long/learning readings/cramming/etc
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>raw rice is called kome 米, while cooked rice is gohan ご飯

How many words do they have for rice?!
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>>141609661
>tfw I can read this
>tfw I even get the joke
How would a company localize this if they were to translate it?
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How is this sentence?

私の父は料理をするのがへたでしたから、時々料理を作りすぎるなら、好きなだけ食べさせてくれたので、かなり太くなりました。

My father was a poor cook so occasionally if he had prepared too much food he would let me eat as much as I liked so I got pretty fat.
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Do people rather learn with Anki or with Kotoba?
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>>141608710
Wake up at 10 am, go to bed at 1 am. Very unregulated however.

>>141609661
This is my favorite trope
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I tried reading Clannad, but there were tons of new bullshit terms in the first few minutes so I stopped playing.

Please tell me this game is intermediate or something so I can feel better about giving up.
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Did anyone here try to play the Zero no Tsukaima PS2 games? I think that the Kanji level over there is pretty fair and easy to understand.
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>>141609633
Not sure how to explain in in grammatical terms but の can replace が in constructs like
(noun) が (adjective) (noun)

知性の低い野蛮人
金のない学生
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>>141609661
I really want to hear the audio of this line.
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>>141609722
What's the joke? 小女?

Boy do I regret googling that word just now
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>>141610437
>What would you like, rice, rice or rice?
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>>141610437
もしもしfbiです
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>>141609875
If you gave up because there were too many new words, then all you're doing is robbing yourself of knowledge. You might as well just never study again if the exact thing you want as a student of Japanese, new information, turns you off. How early into your studies are you and what have you spent your time doing?
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>>141610479
Oh

I assumed that last one was referring to having her, I've seen that set up too many times before
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>>141594105
>t.
Cancer.
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>>141610437
You made me google it too, now there's a van in front of my house
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>>141610522
This template then:
>ご飯にする?お風呂にする?
>それともあ・た・し?
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>>141610568
Good, I'm taking you all down with me
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>>141609029
I like how he's shitting on overly formal textbooks
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>>141609991
>(noun) が (adjective) (noun)
That's actually perfect by itself. Thanks.
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>>141608443
>I'm a native, I can help you
>"helps" with vacuous advice that even someone with zero knowledge could provide

>>141608053
http://nihognodaybydayenglish.blogspot.com/2011/03/aku-hiraku.html
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>>141608626
This.
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>read manga
>short sentences that get to the point and visual context
>read VN
>long phrases detailing every thing going on
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>>141609875
The beginning of a new book/VN/game is usually the hardest. Push through it. Clannad is really long for a beginner though. Even Japanese people take 50 hours to read it. You are probably looking at several hundred hours to finish it.
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>>141609029
I learned a lot from his resources and he puts excellent Touhou arranges on his website.

I would say he is a bro and you are the insufferable faggot.
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>>141610771
Wasnt there a guide for 300 hours for total completion.
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>>141610696
>http://nihognodaybydayenglish.blogspot.com/2016/05/nihongo-wa-hanashi-nikui-is-incorrect.html

Wow.
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>>141610765
LN > VN

For some reason I always find LNs easier than VNs, even though they have way more words and so should theoretically be harder
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>>141611017
>always
Are you sure you know how to use this word? What VN and what LN specifically?

And the nice thing about VNs is that they not only are texthookable, they also have voices.
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>>141610929
>uses romaji
>In my opinion,
Jesus Christ. I hope some poor soul doesn't think that this is something worth learning.
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>>141610784
man i like tae kim but he got all the meme circles in that playlist
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>>141611157
it is inevitable that the government has been a long time ago and I have to be a good day to be a good time to get a new one is a great day to be a good day to be a little bit of a new one is a great day to be a good day to be a great day
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>>141611071
Yeah I guess always is a bit of an exaggeration, I don't have that much experience with both types

Every VN I've ever tried has always just felt like a massive chore to me, I wish I could get into them though, having voices is really useful
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>>141611157
>uses romaji
DOJG contains romaji too, is it a problem?
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>>141611157
I don't use the inferior kanjis because it is inevitable that romaji will take over. English ftw
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>>141611451
Only the beginner book, and only optionally (the text is also in kana/kanji, so you can ignore the romaji)
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>とても簡単で美味しいので、なぜこれが人気なのかが分かります!

What does なのか mean here? I keep seeing it as 7 days when I know that's completely wrong.
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>>141611451
Not the same anon but I would recomend learning kana early on. its not really useful anywhere outside a text book
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>>141611529
人気な na-adj ending
の explanation version of の
か embedded question
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>>141611529
It's like a little question embedded in the sentence

>なぜこれが人気なのかが分かります
>Why is it popular? I understand
>I understand why it's popular
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>>141611488
Does it reduce the quality of the content?
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>>141611451
I kept ignoring DOJG thanks to that. Did I fuck up?
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>>141611636
>>141611637
oh wow, thanks
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>>141611645
Romaji doesn't matter in the slightest after you've been studying for like a month

It's only bad as an excuse to avoid learning kana, but if you already know kana then there's no problem with it other than it being a bit more of a bitch to read
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>>141611645
Yes, you dummy. DOJG is probably the only learning resource that everyone besides trolls agree to be great tier.
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>>141611721
I know kana and even a fair bit of kanji, it's just that when the romaji is there my eyes get drawn to them because it's in the same alphabet as the grammar descriptions. It's incredibly distracting
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>been studying Japanese everyday for 8 years
>only know about 300 words
>all in hiragana
>still can't remember katakana

Why should I even bother?
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>>141611802
Who really cares as long as you have practice reading without romanji elsewhere?
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>>141611829
Is that even possible?
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>>141611829
8years-chan is that you?
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For those who can't access Erogamescape, I've said in the past that you can use the Google cached page to get around the block, but it looks like crap and is a huge pain. Today I have a new and better technique.

http://itools.com/tool/google-translate-web-page-translator
Go here, paste an EGS address in the box and hit translate. Once you are on the translated page, hit the original button to see it in Japanese. Everything looks like it is supposed to (I think) and you can even click links. Sometimes they are slow but they usually end up working eventually.

>>141610890
It was called the 300 hour guide, but I don't know where that name actually came from.
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>>141611802
Yeah reading a little bit of romaji isn't going to fuck up your kana learning abilities, you'll be exposed to kana constantly while reading anyway, reading them just becomes second nature before you know it, whether or not you avoid them a little bit with romaji now or not
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>>141611844
Not him but it's distracting and despite this it is harder to read than normal japanese. It's not about losing out on practice, it's about inconvenience.
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@ 141611829
>this bait again
no (you) for you
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>>141611918
Not me. Yotsuba is still a little bit above my level.
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>>141611829
>i open my textbook once a year and call that studying
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>>141611914
I wish it weren't
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>take the J-Cat half a year ago
>take it again just now
>feel like the test is far easier, confident i did well
>only scored a bit higher than I did before
>didn't even save my old score to fully compare
JUST
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>>141611829
I think you might literally be retarded
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>>141611918
Not that guy, but that hits pretty close to home. I've been studying for about 8 years now, but partially because of university exams and also because of laziness and other things, I kept taking 4-8 months of breaks all the time. Kind of like a month of studying, 6 months of break.
Look at those spikes. LOOK AT THEM. And then notice that the x axis goes back to 90 months.
The biggest spike you see was when returning after 8 months and I had to chew through 3400 reviews due. Fun times.

I also restarted a few times. I've done the Let's Learn Japanese Basic video course, quit, done Genki 1-2, quit, done Tae Kim, and so on. Even did RTK first volume fully. And now I'm doing DOJG, I'm just about done with the intermediate book. My vocab mining deck also just hit 10.000 words.

Anyway, my progress is definitely higher than that guy's. My reading speed is fairly good, when reading VNs I almost always read faster than the voice playback. Finally, after so many years I got to the point where it's very hard not to become slowly better at the language, because I can read at a fair speed and have fun. I can read moege easily without a dictionary, and average difficulty scenario games with text hooking some of the more rare words. It took a long time, but I guess I'm finally there. And it was worth every second.
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>>141609661
heres how id tl it (i get paid irl for translating so you can trust me)

welcome home fag
wanna eat shit? how about some 糞?
or maybe just some turds
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>>141612409
i forgot to add the ・ between just・some・turds sorry but thats why we have editors
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>>141611231
>meme circles
Anyway a few years ago when I started learning Japanese, he had this arrange on the front page:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlVilZZLxA
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>>141612393
Good on you anon, i have studied for about 4years with 3-4 month in between sessions and then i would go a few weeks and then nothing for 2 month or so.

Iøm going to japan in 4month so i started again, hoping i can pull longer session this time.
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>>141610696
>http://nihognodaybydayenglish.blogspot.com/2011/03/aku-hiraku.html
参考になる
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https://vndb.org/v17516

Mega easy VN going by the screenshots. Just thought I'd throw this here, we sure could use some more newer babby recommendations that aren't Flyable Heart
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This child is astonishingly photogenic.
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>>141612982
It looks very difficult.
Next you'll say Muramasa is babby-tier VN, right?
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What study methods do you do that you think hardly anyone else does?

I write stuff on Lang-8 then I import the corrections into LWT (a "free LingQ[tm]").
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>>141612982
can you find one that isnt just a buncha moe blob bitches goin ばぶばぶ

we got enough of those ブロ
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