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How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
I've already studied today.
But your right.
You have a hole in your head if you're finding somewhere for 20% of the cards you're looking at to disappear to. Mature cards are cards you've seen enough times they should be ingrained in your memory. If you aren't getting damn near a hundred percent on those then you should abandon all dreams of learning Japanese or better, just kill yourself.
Or more seriously study kanji or something, 80% actually is pretty low.
I can't get over how funny the concept of "black twitter/black Internet time" is. They think it's some kind of cool unique thing that belongs to them and all it is is the result of their short time preferences causing them to make bad decisions and not get enough sleep.
>I'm retarded, so it's probably OK if you're also retarded.
That's not really what's meant by "real nigga" in this context. They're just using the word nigger to mean "man", but they use a race specific word because they assume they're speaking to other black people.
Entirely possible. Or you just forgot something you knew for the moment - yesterday, I forgot how to say microwave in English and had to call it "the thing that cooks food with cancer waves" while pointing at it.
>How are japanese people so bad at rapping
I've thought about this so much, I think it's just because culturally they're still stuck in the era of like early rap where it was all about just talking and there was a lot less focus on flow
Could also just be because syllabary's are a bitch
Pixelated yellow subs that remind you of downloading your anime in 65mb .rmvb is the only way to watch anime, honestly.
No, I mean no one tries because they don't care. It's not so impressive to them.
>the sub style also looked like something from the 1980s
firstly, devilishly checked
and you can change the god damm sub style to be whatever font/size/shadow outline you desire if they're not hardsubbed aka encoded into the video file like some barbarian from the .avi cave man era
So I've been learning grammar for a bit (yeah I know, beginner stuff, sorry) and the past negative tense of words seem to always end in なかった. That's not particularly a problem for learning, but I feel like I've never actually seen or heard this form through any media I've consumed in the past. Is it simply because I never knew of it or because that form just isn't used? It just sounds so clunky to say out loud as well (likely because I feel like I've never heard it).
Are you nervous?
If you are using the genki books, then the ませんでした form is learned first.
If you are using Tae Kim, then なかった is learned first. I don't know the order for any other books. I think both forms are pretty common though
Best japanese IME for linux? / Is it as good as googles for windows?
anthy on ibus
don't listen to the memers that recommend anything else, ibus is the only backend with high incompatibility rates and anthy is the only input system that's not difficult to modify.
Follow the link in the pastebin, download the subs and let me know if they work. I had to learn how to extract subs from an MKV, so I may have messed them up some how.
>tfw no adderall connections
>just bought a bunch of preworkout
>maintains shit guide
>tries to curtail people calling out shit guide by doing it for them
>instead just makes it look more shit
your shit guide sucks
you have no organization, for something 1542 times iterated upon , you sure have jack shit to show for it
like, motherfucker, you could have started a company and monetized it and streamlined it and even got your own apps made specifically for this scenario
instead, youre sitting here just spamming the same shitty guide with minimal effort and shit advice/shit banter between the same 4-5 samefags shitting up the place
i know if i had to do something 1542 times, i'd made damn sure i'd be done right and every flaw be fixed.
your guide is shit, your threads are shit. nothing in that guide is helpeful.
3rd update and follow up post from the previous two, with Anki stats summary:
Link to progression spreadsheet for more accurate details:
Started added daily reading into the mix, which is both rewarding and enjoyable, with a goal to make a dent in either the 戯言シリーズ or ハルヒシリーズ by the year end.
What are your Japanese language goals for this year, anon?
>keep going through 2k6k
>finished off tk
>continue DoJG deck
>read at least 1 nhk easy article a day
>read at least a chapter of yotsubato
>maybe rewatch some finished series with jap subs
I'm going to drop the vocab only approach and do RTK, probably while reading through imabi. After that, I may finish Core2K, or I might just start reading; depends on my level of confidence when I reach that point.
There's a good chance you can read Yotsubato if you pick a little bit of grammar and vocab up on the side.
At least I could after doing a big part out of a recall/recognition deck in anki. Most of what contributed to being able to read probably came from anime, though.
Which VNs are you looking to read/finish?
>Going well so far.
Good stuff man.
How far into Axanael are you?
Do the nhk easy articles provide an insight into the daily news/happenings in Japan like a fully fledged article or are they more non-topical stuff? I think I read somewhere that it is made for native children.
>I'm going to drop the vocab only approach and do RTK
Sounds good anon. Can't hurt to add kanji specific study into the mix.
I started mining when I started Satsukoi, before that I completed the Nayr's 5k deck. Satsukoi took me 4 months to complete, I mined about 2400 words/phrases, but by the end I'd only gone through about 1200, so I still have a big backlog.
By the end I was reading faster because I learned a lot of the vocab that the author liked to use. Sex scenes were definitely faster by the end because I learned a bunch of anatomy vocab. I don't feel like my grammar improved much, but I'm going through the DOJG deck now so hopefully it gets better.
>What are your Japanese language goals for this year, anon?
After my first year of Japanese learning I had finished 3 manga and 8 VNs. So if you're not aiming for at least that, you suck and should just give up now.
>Do the nhk easy articles provide an insight into the daily news/happenings in Japan like a fully fledged article or are they more non-topical stuff?
they don't make shit up, but its obviously a very cut down version of a full article
basically the dots points of what happened, when, where and whom was involved
>それでは - think its それなら
>それなら - think its それでは
these cards were put here by satan
Is SZS somewhat suitable for beginners? I'm gonna give it a try either way but just in case I get blown out I'd like to be able to tell myself it was to be expected
either you're already know all the vocab - so you're just wasting you time on anki getting nothing out of it
you use a bullshit cognitive dissonance way of grading yourself - waste your time on anki without learning much
Why do some kanji look different when I do my reps on PC compared to my phone?
The Han Unification of Chinese glyphs has had a flow on effect, impacting certain characters used in Japanese text, rendering in their Chinese variants.
I don't think anon paid close enough attention to the values, saw a small amount of red and made assumptions from that point. It wouldn't be the first time someone has misinterpreted posted Anki stats.
you're like a child with fingers in his ears shouting, like that would make the truth go away
look if you want to live in your fantasy stats bubble - go ahead, you're not fooling anyone else though.
How about a glass of 精液 to rejuvenate your energy?
See >>141598581 is isn't simply a font issue, it's an encoding issue and why Android devices outside of Japan will run into this Han unification issue and due to Google not caring, the user essentially has to root the device to get correct Japanese displaying system wide glyphs.
平成２８年０５月１６日２１時３３分 １６日２１時２３分頃 茨城県南部 Ｍ５．６ 震度５弱
平成２８年０５月１６日２１時２６分 １６日２１時２３分頃 茨城県南部 Ｍ５．６ 震度５弱
Yeah, as much as I like SZS this isn't really working out. Guess I'll read Yotsubato as my first manga
I'm trying to set up auto import but nothing happen when I press R, no errors or anything.
The log just says:
平成２８年０５月１６日２１時３３分 １６日２１時２３分頃 茨城県南部 Ｍ５．６ 震度５弱
平成２８年０５月１６日２１時２６分 １６日２１時２３分頃 茨城県南部 Ｍ５．６ 震度５弱
平成２８年０５月１６日１７時５４分 １６日１７時５０分頃 日向灘 Ｍ４．７ 震度３
平成２８年０５月１５日１３時０１分 １５日１２時５７分頃 薩摩半島西方沖 Ｍ４．４ 震度２
平成２８年０５月１５日１０時１４分 １５日１０時１０分頃 岩手県沖 Ｍ４．６ 震度３
平成２８年０５月１４日０４時１０分 １４日０４時０６分頃 薩摩半島西方沖 Ｍ５．０ 震度２
平成２８年０５月１３日１７時２９分 １３日１７時２４分頃 台湾付近 Ｍ５．３ 震度２
平成２８年０５月１２日１５時３７分 １２日１５時３２分頃 根室半島南東沖 Ｍ４．８ 震度３
平成２８年０５月１２日１３時３５分 １２日１３時３０分頃 台湾付近 Ｍ６．３ 震度３
平成２８年０５月１２日１２時２２分 １２日１２時１７分頃 台湾付近 Ｍ６．４ 震度２
A little more info on the general seismic activity in the region.
I read around 150 pages of manga and maybe half a wikipedia page worth of text. Not really brag worthy but my vocab is pretty limited.
Do you usually keep track of what you are reading like that? How does it compare to an average day of reading? How long have you been actively studying to reach that point?
Yeah like >>141599782 said I don't keep track, I just copied the text from a text hooker when I was done reading this time.
This took about an hour, I usually read 15 min to an hour a day. I've been studying for about 3-4 years
Go to your browser's add-ons page/window, open the preferences for Rikaisama, then click the "Clipboard & Save" tab.
There will be a field labelled "Saved audio". You need to point this to Anki's collections.media folder if you want audio to work.
Now go to the Anki tab. There are two important fields here: "Save format" and "Field names". In the "Save format" field, you need to tell Rikaisama what information you want it to save. Here is an example:
The above tells Rikaisama to save the dictionary form of the word you've hovered over (this means conjugations will be stripped from it, so 食べます would be saved as 食べる), the reading (hiragana characters showing pronunciation of the word), the English definition of the word, and the audio clip (if one is available).
Now for the "Field names" field. You enter into here the names of the fields in your Anki deck separated by spaces like so:
>Vocab Reading Definition Audio
You need to make sure these fields exist in your Anki deck.
Two more things.
1. You must install the Rikaisama add-on for Anki.
2. You must have open the deck that you want to save the word to (see pic)
>I've been studying for about 3-4 years
How is your language proficiency aside from reading? In those 3~4 years, have you also reached a point wherein you can have conversations in text and speaking with others in Japanese, etc.? I'm guessing your listening proficiency is pretty reasonable given the VNs(?)
I've got like 4 of them, they're all named after what I was mining for them at the time and have now finished reading and moved onto something else and so are completely unrelated
Well I have the N2, getting close to N1 I think. I believe I would be able to have a conversation about everyday stuff without too much trouble, but I don't know for sure as I've never actually met any Japanese people face to face
>relearned cards almost equals new cards learned
So if I forget as many cards each day as I learn, that mathematically proves that it's impossible for me to learn Japanese.
root the phone + use kanji fix app
it's because google is a shit and orders chinese before japanese at all times in the font load order, even if the page specifically specifies it's japanese text
or if you have the option available, put your android language into japanese
So that's why, thank you.
>if you have the option available, put your android language into japanese
Shouldn't have bought a Samsung fuck.
There is no other way without rooting it right? I'm not afraid of it, but I just bought that phone yesterday and would prefer to keep my warranty for a while.
I don't believe so, I had the same issue a while back.
The bug has been around for YEARS now (if you google around, a bug report from 2009 or so appears) so I don't think it'll be changed anytime soon. Japanese consumers just switch the OS to Japanese afterall, and even if they couldn't, the differences are obvious to them. It only really harms learners, it's a minor annoyance to the rest.
If you manage to find a way, report back, but I wouldn't look too hard honestly.
there are examples anon
Does anyone know if you can increase the font size of a whole deck in anki?
check the han unification page on your normal desktop browser
the table should show the subtle differences
looks fucked? those are probably the more commonly fucked up ones
I was going to say "kindly read the anki guide" but it mentions nothing about styling. It probably should...?
Does this mean "Even if you tell him"?
This thing here, and はるみねーしょん
You can browse them by enabling the lapses sort field
Now I know where this came from.
Are there scans of either? I didn't see any in the one minute that I searched.
>It probably should...?
The anki guide doesn't need to attempt to be a shitty version of a far better user manual which already exists. If anything, more people should be encouraged to read more about the program they are going to be likely using on a daily basis.
>anki sends me an email telling me to kill myself
美 consists of 羊 and 大, so it's a large sheep. Of course large sheep are beautiful.
>guy on /hgg/ was raised by Japanese parents in american and thus knows Japanese well enough to fansub anime
>doesn't know kanji so he machine translates visual novels / eroge
Holy shit born with a silver spoon and you fucking shit on it
reminder that if you dedicate all your time to rote memorization of vocabulary you will have trouble recalling that information in any other context
grind less, read more and talk to japanese people
>Ask ともだち why 浴びない
>He says it saves 金
Fucking wash yourself you filthy neets. If not for others, then for yourself at least!
LEARNING JAPANESE IS ABOUT BEING A GRINDER! SOMEONE WHO FIGHTS THEIR WAY THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY GO THROUGH! DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR REPS! DON'T GIVE UP ON READING! DO NOT GIVE UP ON YOUR GOALS AND YOUR DREAMS!
YOU WANT TO IMPROVE YOUR READING? GRIND! YOU WANT A LARGER VOCABULARY? GRIND! YOU WANT TO LEARN JAPANESE? GRIND! IT'S ABOUT WAKING UP EARLY, STAYING UP LATE, AND DOING WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO REACH YOUR GOALS! YOU HAVE TO RISE AND GRIND!
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PUTTING IN HOURS, IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THOSE HOURS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN! YOU CAN'T BECOME GREAT UNTIL YOU FIGHT GREATNESS! YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT OUT OF JAPANESE IF YOU'RE GOING AFTER WEAK AND EASY TARGETS! YOU DON'T CLIMB A MOUNTAIN BY LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM! YOU CLIMB A MOUNTAIN BY CLIMBING TOWARDS THE SUMMIT! DON'T TRY TO AVOID THE HARD PARTS AND GO AROUND THE DIFFICULT READING MATERIAL! TAKE IT HEAD ON AND FIGHT YOUR WAY THROUGH IT!
How do I get non-shit retention? I've been doing words for 6 days now (used to do 30 words per day, dropped down to 20 now) and I literally can't get above 40% retention. I've tried everything, writing words down, saying them out loud but nothing increases my retention (writing them down actually lowers it). My friend who started studying Japanese at the same time as me has 70% retention.
Have you done kanji study before that? (RTK, KD, etc). If not, you're also learning the kanji and shit retention is normal until you start getting used to them.
If you already know kanji, then you're doing something wrong.
I'm a little confused with this word.
RTK tells me that 安 is "relaxation", but Core2k says 安い is "inexpensive".
Are those two concepts just closely associated in Japanese, or is there something I'm missing?
RTK picks (usually) one of the more common meanings a kanji can have as its keyword. It's very common for kanji to mean multiple things among multiple words.
Think of it as a fuzzy cloud of meaning rather than a 1:1 relationship for kanji:meaning.
I haven't done kanji study, I asked some of my friends who are ~6 months in and they said they never did kanji study, so I thought it wouldn't be needed. I'll try doing kanji study and see if that improves things.
Pretty much. There's some words I've done wrong 10+ times (I counted). A lot of the time I either know how it's pronounced but not what it means, or more commonly I know what it means but not how it's pronounced.
It is very little but right now learning 20 new words a day takes me like 2 hours, and I really can't afford to spend 3+ hours a day on Japanese outside of weekends
>It is very little but right now learning 20 new words a day takes me like 2 hours
安 itself carries a "relaxation" nuance, 安い is a new word (adjective) made from 安. The kanji that words are made of can have different degrees of similarity to the word's meaning, but generally it's best not to look for connections using the English language and just try to get a feel for them.
Since you only just started don't worry too much about retention. Keep faithfully pressing "again" when you don't remember a word until you do and you'll eventually pick up. Just don't pass a word on just because you kinda or almost remembered it or your retention will remain trash.
I would read up a little bit on how memory works if you haven't already, it might clear up some things:
Make sure your anki is set up properly, re-read through the anki guide (esp the part where you raise daily reviews to 9999 so none are being pushed back)
If all of the above doesn't help, perhaps try timeboxing / focusing techniques while studying? Pomodoro technique helped me a lot to not get burnt out.
Or simply just don't sweat it dude, maybe you'll climb the hill a little slower than someone else, in the end you'll reach the same destination.
You don't necessarily have to do it. And doing RTK is a half-year investment.
It will be considerably harder to learn vocab if you don't know kanji at all, but it's certainly doable.
I'd recommend looking up the 200 or so radicals at least, though, so you can have names for them for easier remembering.
>or more commonly I know what it means but not how it's pronounced
Have you watched anime before starting to learn Japanese? If you haven't that might explain your below average recognition of Japanese sounds I guess? Below average as in compared to wee/a/boos. I know I had an easy time at the start because I recognized the majority of words' reading from hearing them in anime.
So is my retention expected to increase as I get more familiar with Japanese? That's what I thought too, I just wanted to be sure I'm not learning incorrectly or something.
I'll check out those links shortly, thanks. My anki is set up properly, but thanks for the reminder. I'll read a big about these "timeboxing" and "pomodoro technique" things as well, thanks for bringing that up.
I'll look into radicals, thanks. Just straight up learning vocab and skipping kanji would be faster than first learning kanji and then vocab, right? I'm not really interested in hand-writing Japanese, so I don't need to know kanji for that.
I've seen a little over 600 hours of anime IIRC. Perhaps not a lot by /a/ standards, but it should be enough, right?
>So is my retention expected to increase as I get more familiar with Japanese?
Yes, definitely. You'll start recognizing repeatedly occurring symbols (radicals) and eventually you'll know what certain words mean just by knowing the kanji they're made of.
>When I did RTK I wrote out every kanji at least 20 times
Well there's your problem. If you'd read the introduction to the book, you would've seen that Heisig explicitly tells you not to write the characters out tons of times.
>When I did RTK I wrote out every kanji at least 20 times
Doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of RTK?
You should only have to write each Kanji once unless you're planning on becoming a writer.
How do I unlearn Japanese?
I am moving to Germany soon and I don't want to be taken for a Nazi sympathizer.
I already passed N2 and barely missed N1, how long would it take me to forget Axis moon characters?
It is a thread for doctors trying to go to japan.
Answering questions like >>141606340, >>141589396, >>141590518, >>141592374, and discussing the learning of Japanese like >>141592019, >>141603439, >>141595137
>but the majority of replies are shitposts
But not all of them!
The problem is that you never know which one is used while reading. Even Japanese give contradictive answers as seen here http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1312584688
What are you quoting?
People that complain about same kanji verbs like those 開 ones are people that get them all dumped on them at once while doing core
It's much less of a bitch if you encounter them all in context
I'm doing a project and need some data from you guys
Just post your hourly breakdown graph along with your sleep schedule
>wake up at 9, bed at 1 am
Does anyone know what the first Kanji is supposed to be? I know the second one is 心 but I cant find the correct radicals for the first one. All I know is that it is connected to Buddhism. Thanks for anyone who can help me out here.
I've never really known how the fuck this graph even works but happy to help
Wake up at 7am, bed at 1am
>wake up whenever, bed whenever
Admire my beautiful bell curve. Wake up at 8, bed at midnight.
It seems that it is this one. Fuck, I could have sworn that the first Kana looked like a タ.
Still, you have my gratitude
Mmm it would have taken me ages to figure that out, seems obvious when you know what it's supposed to be though
I'd probably have just done a ?心 on Jisho and scrolled til I saw it
And now I feel silly for not using this search method. I recognised the radical to the right, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me that the left radical was 口 and not タ
This is from the deck I started 14 months ago. I usually sleep from 4AM-Noon.
Up at 5AM, bed at 8:30PM
Anybody else here find playing a few quick games of something before study in the morning really helps a ton?
Yeah maybe it's just me whatever. Nope I'm not a jap and I usually don't care how people write.
I usually sleep between 1am-9am, and I take a 2 hour nap every day around 2pm-5pm. I also usually work out or start cooking at 6pm.
>raw rice is called kome 米, while cooked rice is gohan ご飯
How many words do they have for rice?!
How is this sentence?
My father was a poor cook so occasionally if he had prepared too much food he would let me eat as much as I liked so I got pretty fat.
Wake up at 10 am, go to bed at 1 am. Very unregulated however.
This is my favorite trope
I tried reading Clannad, but there were tons of new bullshit terms in the first few minutes so I stopped playing.
Please tell me this game is intermediate or something so I can feel better about giving up.
If you gave up because there were too many new words, then all you're doing is robbing yourself of knowledge. You might as well just never study again if the exact thing you want as a student of Japanese, new information, turns you off. How early into your studies are you and what have you spent your time doing?
>I'm a native, I can help you
>"helps" with vacuous advice that even someone with zero knowledge could provide
>short sentences that get to the point and visual context
>long phrases detailing every thing going on
The beginning of a new book/VN/game is usually the hardest. Push through it. Clannad is really long for a beginner though. Even Japanese people take 50 hours to read it. You are probably looking at several hundred hours to finish it.
Are you sure you know how to use this word? What VN and what LN specifically?
And the nice thing about VNs is that they not only are texthookable, they also have voices.
it is inevitable that the government has been a long time ago and I have to be a good day to be a good time to get a new one is a great day to be a good day to be a little bit of a new one is a great day to be a good day to be a great day
Yeah I guess always is a bit of an exaggeration, I don't have that much experience with both types
Every VN I've ever tried has always just felt like a massive chore to me, I wish I could get into them though, having voices is really useful
Romaji doesn't matter in the slightest after you've been studying for like a month
It's only bad as an excuse to avoid learning kana, but if you already know kana then there's no problem with it other than it being a bit more of a bitch to read
I know kana and even a fair bit of kanji, it's just that when the romaji is there my eyes get drawn to them because it's in the same alphabet as the grammar descriptions. It's incredibly distracting
>been studying Japanese everyday for 8 years
>only know about 300 words
>all in hiragana
>still can't remember katakana
Why should I even bother?
For those who can't access Erogamescape, I've said in the past that you can use the Google cached page to get around the block, but it looks like crap and is a huge pain. Today I have a new and better technique.
Go here, paste an EGS address in the box and hit translate. Once you are on the translated page, hit the original button to see it in Japanese. Everything looks like it is supposed to (I think) and you can even click links. Sometimes they are slow but they usually end up working eventually.
It was called the 300 hour guide, but I don't know where that name actually came from.
Yeah reading a little bit of romaji isn't going to fuck up your kana learning abilities, you'll be exposed to kana constantly while reading anyway, reading them just becomes second nature before you know it, whether or not you avoid them a little bit with romaji now or not
>take the J-Cat half a year ago
>take it again just now
>feel like the test is far easier, confident i did well
>only scored a bit higher than I did before
>didn't even save my old score to fully compare
Not that guy, but that hits pretty close to home. I've been studying for about 8 years now, but partially because of university exams and also because of laziness and other things, I kept taking 4-8 months of breaks all the time. Kind of like a month of studying, 6 months of break.
Look at those spikes. LOOK AT THEM. And then notice that the x axis goes back to 90 months.
The biggest spike you see was when returning after 8 months and I had to chew through 3400 reviews due. Fun times.
I also restarted a few times. I've done the Let's Learn Japanese Basic video course, quit, done Genki 1-2, quit, done Tae Kim, and so on. Even did RTK first volume fully. And now I'm doing DOJG, I'm just about done with the intermediate book. My vocab mining deck also just hit 10.000 words.
Anyway, my progress is definitely higher than that guy's. My reading speed is fairly good, when reading VNs I almost always read faster than the voice playback. Finally, after so many years I got to the point where it's very hard not to become slowly better at the language, because I can read at a fair speed and have fun. I can read moege easily without a dictionary, and average difficulty scenario games with text hooking some of the more rare words. It took a long time, but I guess I'm finally there. And it was worth every second.
Good on you anon, i have studied for about 4years with 3-4 month in between sessions and then i would go a few weeks and then nothing for 2 month or so.
Iøm going to japan in 4month so i started again, hoping i can pull longer session this time.
It looks very difficult.
Next you'll say Muramasa is babby-tier VN, right?