Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1541

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Friendly Reminder

How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji

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Just started reading 人類は衰退しました. Time to see whether Romeo is as good as everyone says.

>>141543515
私も分からない

What happened to the guy who used to post
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

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一人で生きるには弱すぎて
でも誰かといるにはもっと弱い

イス取りゲームに負けたら
床に座ればいい

掛け違えたボタンなんて
そのままほっとけ

充電はしたけど
使ってない電池

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NrPMXN8oT8

>>141543809
「てんてこ舞い」 huh? thanks
I would have never gotten it on my own

>>141544051
I don't know about the original material but the anime was pretty bad

>>141544104
I killed him

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>>141544104
死んだ

>>141544128
>>141544129

RIP

>>141544127
neck yourself senpai

>>141544051
jintais ok but its also not a eroge which is what romeos best works are

>>141544162
t. someone who hasn't even read it

>>141544141
So I'm supposed to be N2 with my 4k words? I don't really feel that way.

>>141543979
90% of the current shitposts are the anti-anime or anti-kanji ones though, you really should update this.

>>141544104
He turned into a lazy bum. He's the guide guy, btw.

>>141544221
give me a break why would i even bother then

also idk what t. means

>>141544286
cos u are a memelord

>>141544240
The first line covers the anti-kanji shit, and the sixth line deals with the anti-anime spam.

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>>141543953
Know how I know you don't read?

>>141544315
i mean i liked aura better than jintai just purely because of content and general enjoyability if you wanna talk about his heavenly light novellas

単語覚えるのが嫌いだ。
感じが嫌いだ
辞書が嫌いだ
俺の少ない語彙が嫌いだ
お前が嫌いだ

>>141544338
Why, what's wrong with it?

>>141544448
よしよしいい子いい子

もう大丈夫だ

今回ラップビデオつかないから

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI1I_cNVyFc

>>141544338
You may be a bit late levelling criticisms towards the statement you have isolated in your image, considering it has been used in the OP for over two years.

>>141544228
It's not really to grade language skills. It's just a way to visualize how progress in RtK translates to coverage on vocabulary words.

For example, you could potentially build a vocabulary of a thousand words at or below N3 using only the first 700 kanji from RtK.

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Hurry and study/read what you want to right now because before you know it the day will be over.

I have an acquaintance who says he learned more from 3 weeks vacationing in japan than he did self-studying at home

is there something to this or just hyperbolic bullshit?

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>>141544976
なんかダラダラでいいんじゃない

>>141545046
do you really think ive been telling you to hit the streets of tokyo just as a joke

theres literally nothing better you can do unless you happen to know of a japanese community near you that you can throw yourself into

>>141545046
It's bullshit.

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>>141545046
>I have an acquaintance who says he learned more from 3 weeks vacationing in japan than he did self-studying at home
>is there something to this or just hyperbolic bullshit?

he wasn't self studying at home properly, too busy drinking, giving lengthy orations to the cat, and beating the wife bloody

>>141544448
諦めたほうがいいです

>>141545046
I have a cousin living in japan who says he regrets the two years he spent studying in his home country

It's not total bullshit, but not everyone has plane tickets, money, a visa and/or three months of vacation handy out of nowhere just whenever. Otherwise you're really wasting your time by not going, especially if your goal is to eventually speak.

>>141545046
I have an uncle who works for Nintendo and he says your acquaintance is full of shit.
On a more serious note, without knowing what, how and for how long this mysterious other person was studying by himself, it's kind of hard to make any real comment.

>>141545282
but i just want to play visual videogames surely i can just read a couple grammar books and peep a flashcard or two and skip the whole human element and still become fluent

>>141545351
My uncle who works for Nintendo and says your uncle is full of shit

>>141545393
Well played anon.

>>141545351
>>141545393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABNzSNlB6Yw

これでチェックアンドメイトだわ

ごきげんよう

>>141545351
he said a little over 2 years of self studying

>>141545377
don't worry, going to japan is a waste of time, studying by yourself is way more efficient

I learned all the kanji in a single year when it would take a native 15 years, that's literally 15 times more efficient

if I keep up this pace I'll be 15 times more fluent than Abe shinzo

>>141545565
Then he was slacking off big time

I'm trying to get back into learning Japanese with some easy literature or manga; could someone recommend something easy for beginners but enjoyable?

>>141545743
There is a massive database in the op.
Also, I had fun playing "Dot Quest" on my iPhone. It took me forever but I could play/learn literally anywhere.

>>141545565
Going to Japan doesn't grant you super powers. Plenty of people go there to teach english and never learn the language at all. Your friend either didn't really know much Japanese in the first place or overestimated how much his Japanese improved while he was there.

>>141545860
>Going to Japan doesn't grant you super powers

FUCK

おならがでるよ

どうしよう

おにいちゃんたすけて

>>141545933
Use plastic wrap to delay

>>141545836
I'll check out the database, thanks for the advice!

>>141545933
kill yourself to solve your problem permanently

>>141545565
That doesn't really say anything about what was actually being done. You can use Anki for Japanese vocab for two years, adding 5 new cards a day and reading a volume of manga every three months and still be "studying" for that long. There is also the option of "studying" Genki1 and Genki2 for one year each.

>>141545393
Yeah well my uncle works for Super Nintendo and he's going to fire your uncle friendo

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so we're uh, going to the くうこう, are we?

>>141546008
ラップフィルムの下で大きな気泡が現れた

ネタバレおならが出た

>>141546072
i will if you do first ゆびきり promise all the needles in my eye or w/e

>>141546183
haha wow what a crazy coincidence

>>141546183
>i stared into the abyss, and the abyss was delayed

How do you know when to read onyumi vs kunyomi? Just pure memorization?

I get fucked so hard.

>>141546395
>pure memorization
I use dirty memorization myself.

>>141546395
jukugo is usually onyomi

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>>141546414

>>141546506
Good reaction image.

Convince me to take J-Cat. I haven an irrational hate for tests because of school so I can't get myself to take a test of my own volition

>>141547062
You aren't a a man if you don't even try.

>>141546990
Sounds legit. You should contact them

>learning jukugo without learning individuals onyomi
so are you chinese or retarded?

>>141544976
Shit I knew I was forgetting something

>>141546395
the rule is that 2 kanji (jukugo) next to eachother you use their onyomi
there are exceptions to this, but most often the exceptions are very common words that you'll end up learning through sheer exposure

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>>141546276

>>141547062
It would be fun. The chart you get at the end is pretty. You can join the cool J-Cat club with the rest of us senpai.

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>>141546023

>>141547062
it's short as shit

registering literally takes longer than taking it, and I'm not exaggerating

to anyone struggling with the kore2k/6k

I recommending adding cards to it with the onyomi's of jukugo you come across in the kore deck.
I went from being stagnant for months to being able to plow through 20 cards a day easily in 20 mins.

It takes a lot of prep work each week but it's totally worth it.

I look up new word's kanji on kanjidamage; then I take the 3-5-star jukugo listed on the website, and then find them in my anki deck and move them to the front.
This way I learn vocab while simultaneously using and reinforcing the onyomi pronunciations I learned.

So after learning:
実 jitsu's onyomi - I'll move all of these kanji to the front:

真 (really) + 実 (truth) = 真実 (the truth)
現 (present time) + 実 (truth) = 現実 (reality)
事 (action/ incident) + 実 (truth) = 事実 (fact)

>>141546990
>i hate bitches though
Every time. I wonder where Nobu is at now. It's hard to find fellow men of culture.

>>141547615
This is why the Core10k deck is better: it is arranged to introduce different readings of the same kanji so by the time you work through them, you already have a basic intuition of how unknown words are at least read. Not as effective as individually studying kanji alongside, but it saves time having to alter the 2k/6k deck.

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>>141546990
>you will be sorry when you miss this big chance

>>141547208
Alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Just gotta read more I guess.

>>141547359
A lot of people say it takes like 40 minutes. That's still kind of long. Maybe I'll try it tonight though

>>141547764
aww shit I wish I knew about that deck sooner.
I'm not sure I have it in me to switch decks this deep into it.

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>>141545933
has imouto finally run out of 苺ましまろ images

>>141547870
It isn't really a huge deal. If you are adding 20 new words a day, after six months of consistent review most of those reading issues shouldn't big overwhelming. At the end of the day it is a matter of fine tuning something that already works pretty damn well to begin with.

anyone switch from the 2k/6k to the 10k?

any advice for switching?
There's not like a deck combining process or something, is there?

Has anyone from these threads ever become fluent? Or is it just beginners posting advice from their 3 weeks of learning?

>>141548109
I'm thinking I should switch.
Is the 10k deck better/more accurate than the 6k deck or is it just the organization that's better?
I'm only around 700 cards deep into this deck. So if the other deck is a significant upgrade from this one then I'd rather switch now while I'm not that deep into it.

also do you use the DoJG deck? I'm just trying it out with the default settings and it's pretty unusable atm.

>>141548226
the joke is actually that everyone is fluent 爆笑

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>>141548277
Not me

>>141548226
>Has anyone from these threads ever become fluent?
yeah imouto can now fill out restraining orders in english

>>141548151
>There's not like a deck combining process or something, is there?
It is matter of matching fields, exporting and importing. An anon provided a diagrammatic set of instructions not long ago.
I'm trying to find it in the archive at the moment.

>also do you use the DoJG deck?
Yeah. It's been the best thing for my Japanese.
>I'm just trying it out with the default settings and it's pretty unusable atm.
Not really sure what you mean, but what I did was split the deck into two seperate decks, based on card types -keeping recognition cards in one deck and the cloze delete cards in another- and review them separately. New cards are reviewed from recognition cards first, reading through everything on the card, followed by the cloze delete cards, testing my recall of what I just read, more or less. On subsequent reviews I review the cloze delete deck first then move onto reviewing the recognition cards after, reading through all the example sentences (but rarely bother re-reading through the notes, unless I really need to). For any new cards on the day, I switch back to the original reviewing order of recognition then cloze.

>>141548226
yee everyone except u

>>141548226
I've never taken any formal japanese classes, but I spent a few months in Japan and was actually very surprised at how well I could communicate with non-english speakers.
As an example, I went to club mogra there - befriended a group of japanese vocaloid fans - and went after with them to a special miku karaoke thing. They even helped me figure out a capsule hotel to stay in for the night. All without speaking a word of English.
My japanese is still pretty shit though; I'm NOT fluent by any means, but just because you're not fluent doesn't mean what you know isn't helpful/useful.

>>141548151
>>141548316
And what do you fucking know, for some reason that exact post with the image is broken:
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/140867700/#140874560
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>>141548403
Turns out Fireden's data has the image.
https://img.fireden.net/a/image/1461/99/1461993788267.png

>>141548511
oh sweet, thanks so much

>>141546990
Namasensei?

>>141547062
I took it a year ago. I'm gonna take it again soon to gauge my progress.

>>141547967
that's not imouto

>>141547967
I'd upload my collection of 苺 images but I don't want to encourage the Finfag.

>>141548551
It might be useful to make a textural version or a more permanent upload of the image and request to have it added to the guide in some capacity. I'd imagine there are a lot of anons who would happily add the remaining 4k words from core10k into their core2k/6k decks if they knew how to do it this easily.

>>141548324
miku dou omou -- miku daisuki desu

isshoni karaoke ni ikou -- iku iku zettai iku

aah tanoshikatta -- neru basho doko ga iindesuka

kono dobu wa doudai -- iine nippon sugee arigato oyasumi

(after nighty nights) ano gaijin wa nandayo 爆笑

>>141548640
偽者？

>>141548316
>Not really sure what you mean, but what I did was split the deck into two seperate decks, based on card types -keeping recognition cards in one deck and the cloze delete cards in another- and review them separately.

I just recently started looking at this deck, and I don't really see a guide for "how to use" the deck.
I want to copy how you learn using this deck but I'm a little bit confused with the process. So you have 2 separate decks one with each card type. What exactly is the point of this? Also, the decks aren't going to talk to eachother, so if you forget a piece of info in deck1, shouldn't deck1 then tell deck2 that you forgot "XX" grammer-fact?

Additionally, it seems as though they give kanji without furigana. I'm really only recently getting around to learning kanji, so my vocab base is much larger than my kanji base. Does not knowing the meaning/pronounciation of a kanji ever get in the way of learning for you?
Also are the grammer points always "comprehensive" - ie, are you easily able to learn/figure out the grammer point if it's something you haven't seen before? (so, like, do you ever get stuck and have to go back to a textbook to figure out the grammer point?)

>>141548701
yes my japanese is basically on that level. But for the record, they wanted me to do karaoke with them.
I said I had a train to catch, but that I would go with them if I could figure out how to get a hotel for the night, so they helped me find a hotel.

I think you underestimate how cool they see americans

>>141548960
everyone is different but im sure the people at mikufest arent gonna be outwardly racist and shitty after all they jerk off to a virtual idol lol

watch out for the guys who pretend to be nice and then say rude things behind your back later to their friends -- not that its even possible to be totally aware of it

>>141549095
>veryone is different but im sure the people at mikufest arent gonna be outwardly racist and shitty

one of their most endearing qualities to me is how racist they are... well not openly
my country and a lot of other western countries are trying too hard to be 'accepting' and 'careful' around minorities, drives me batty
dont even start on 3rd wave feminism

>>141549276
Recognising that race exists != racism

>>141548762
>and I don't really see a guide for "how to use" the deck.
Isn't it common sense?

>I want to copy how you learn using this deck but I'm a little bit confused with the process.
I'll try to explain it better, my bad. Actually, here is the post I made a little while ago explaining how I use it. Tell me if this has enough explanatory power:
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/140955669/#140972097

>Additionally, it seems as though they give kanji without furigana. I'm really only recently getting around to learning kanji, so my vocab base is much larger than my kanji base. Does not knowing the meaning/pronounciation of a kanji ever get in the way of learning for you?
I have been taking unknown words as I encounter them and add them to a separate misc vocab deck, but if you are reviewing the cards on a computer there is always the option of copy/pasting the words you don't understand into jisho or some dictionary program. I also study kanji in isolation alongside vocab, so there is that.

>Also are the grammer points always "comprehensive" - ie, are you easily able to learn/figure out the grammer point if it's something you haven't seen before?
Oh yeah man, fucking very much so. The way the examples are laid out and described makes them really easy to understand. I think this is probably the shining point of the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar book series.
>so, like, do you ever get stuck and have to go back to a textbook to figure out the grammer point?
I've yet to come across a textbook which explains these structures as well as the DoJG series, so no.

What can I use to improve my grammar, specifically? All I've got is Tae Kim so far, and "just read stuff" doesn't help because I don't understand why grammar stuff e.g. こと is there in the first place

>>141549393
Just read stuff

Just read stuff

Just read stuff

>>141549393
i was using TK and its ok but added DoJG deck, its helping too
if you've read all of TK try and read some stuff here:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
it wasn't that much of a challenge for me, and im fresh af

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>>141549447
thanks lad

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>>141549447
did someone say fresh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

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is おしっこ sometimes uses to refer to cum?

>>141549564
i hope not that would be in pretty bad taste

>>141549530
いつもそうさ
いつもsosa

i'm a trap god

>>141549530
guy looks like a lesbian asian sideshow bob

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>>141544122
>ほんらいならわしが「やんちゃして」

ってきこえるよ

てんてこまいは、なんかとにかく忙しく振り回されるひょうげんだよ。がんばっておにいちゃん

>>141549530
you think there's a market in japan for gaijin rappers
i feel like i could change the game

>>141549669
if you like trap check out this banger i see you tho dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4PKCcGyyx0

>>141549749
sorry im already the king of the gaijin rap game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXHFr6YlMDo

>>141549832
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4PKCcGyyx0
that's my theme song when i post in DJT

>>141549926
i know right lmao

>>141549926
釣りjunkie mofacka!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZm_vjtRdsU

this song is so bad it's amazing

>>141550154
i cant shit on anyone from kawasaki but that vid is kinda ちょっと lol

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カレーつくりたいな

おにいちゃんはなにカレーがたべたい？

「いってぇ……。テメエ、靴になんか仕込んでやがるな！」

I don't know if I should translate テメエ to "you bastard" since the one talking is refering to a girl.
The original translator TL'ed it as just "You!".
Any thoughts?

>>141550605
いもうとカレー

>>141550628
youll never be able to translate for fuck if youre stuck on shit like てめえ

just say something that makes sense with how youve voiced the chara thusfar and move on to bigger and brighter things to get hung up on

>>141550628
Considering your lacking knowledge and skill, you need to give up on translating.

Provided you're actually translating something and aren't speaking just hypothetically. If you are, then sorry for underestimating your wit.

>>141550701
I'm not the TL, I'm the editor. Obviously because my jap skills are lacking. But yeah, this character calling someone a bastard is totally something he would do.

>>141550757
change it to "rat whore"

>>141550605
mahurry
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463306130827.webm

>>141550757
seconding rat whore

>>141550777
>>141550795
Dude we're not mangastream.

>>141550757
>I'm not the TL, I'm the editor.
well what genre is it? is it shonen jump shit? a high-concept seinen? porn?

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>>141550810
>what genre is it?
The onii-sama genre

>>141550876
Okay yeah definitely "rat whore"

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>>141550896
You're gonna get me fucking lynched by her rabid fans, anon.

>>141543979
The mods banned the shitposter for 30 days yesterday, but then he came back with a new IP and no amount of reports seemed to get them to do anything about him.

For a moment I thought the mods had decided to moderate these threads, but I guess it was just a one off.

>>141550930
are those fucking pubes

>>141550932
thanks for the heads up on the latest meta shit with your off topic post

>>141544141
>2200 kanji only gives you 8000 words from JLPT vocab
wot

Is the amount of JLPT vocab really small or something even at N1?

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>>141550628
>手前
自分のことをかなり丁寧にいうときにつかってた時代もあるんじゃないかなあとおもうんだけど、なぜか今では相手にふっかけるときもつかうよ
>貴様
これは相手のことをかなり丁寧にいうときにつかってた時代もあったんだけど、なぜか今では相手にふっかけるときにつかうよ。

手前、貴様は、おとこことばなので、おとこしかつかわないよ

>>141550701
カニバリズムはんたい

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>>141544338
>>141544747
>>141544783

>>141551175
>benny
funnily enough the japanese in that pic is still better than he'll ever be at it

>>141551100
いもうとの味じゃ

>>141544747
It's been criticized a lot over those two years though, this is hardly the first time it's been brought up

>>141551376
>this is hardly the first time it's been brought up
That wasn't really the point. It's more to the point that it's been that way for over two years and chances are it will stay that way for another two years. Criticising something that far after the fact is pretty pointless unless the anon is going to make a different version and post it. The anon who ends up making these threads has never bothered to make any changes so it's clear that he doesn't care.

>>141551100
>カニバリズムはんたい
偏見をもっているね、お前は
十人十色をわかるがいい

Is there an easy way to tell 口 and ロ apart?

For example whenever I see 口コミ, I read it "rokomi" at first.

>>141551812
context and experience

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Anyone got a good card type to share?

>>141551812
ろ usually looks square whereas 口 in a lot of fonts is slightly higher than wider and has little serif markings at the bottom, where the first and second strokes end. That and kanji are often slightly larger than kana in print.

>>141552194
What are you looking to do with it? It kind of varies for each person.

>>141552227
I'm just trying to get into giving my mining deck a better look, but the Anki tutorials and screenshots I found with google images are kinda lack luster so I thought I'd use a finished one as baseline and then make minor changes to fit my taste

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>personally involved with
なにそれ、俺はへんたいみたい

Can someone post that site that has all the core 2k6k vocab in order

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>>141552194
Here's mine: http://pastebin.com/0e0hr7nh

>>141552478
This?
http://core6000.neocities.org/

>>141552542
that looks SO good but the last time i changed fonts i failed some pretty old matures, feelsbatman

>>141552542
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for

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たまごどうふたべたい

ちゃわんむしじゃなくって、たまごどうふだよ

>>141552413
http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
Anki uses HTML and CSS for layout and styling.

>>141552946
I came here to learn the language of anime, not the language of computers

thanks, the CSS Align section helped me fix my problem

>>141553154
CSS is retarded, but it's what we're stuck with at the moment. Check out stackexchange if you wan to see just how spastic people can get with it.

私日本人です日本語教えるです？

I love how DOBJG uses romanji, but the intermediate and advanced books stopped with it. Is there any way to OCR and automatically convert it? Or maybe automatically convert the anki deck to romanji? Having to learn kanas and kanjis is really killing my motivation, I'm trying to defer it until I become fluent enough in grammar that I can read and have fun.

Why is the ideal Japanese woman called Yamato Nakadashi?

>>141553965
Learning the kana takes like 4 hours and kanji is best studied alongside grammar. I don't think there's any tool aimed towards helping people learn Japanese without the use of the Japanese writing system simply because it's terribly sub optimal.

inb4
>romanji
>replying

post stats

>>141554007
Because if there's anything Japanese men love more than Japan, it's nakadashi.

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>>141554145
Unfortunately the Kanji Grid add-on doesn't work right with the 10K deck for some reason.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIv5Q4h-nsPcukmKfWBOUhsSjwm5esOz1lJt-8axEDo/edit

glhf

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Has anyone actually used this site?

http://www.genetickanji.com/

It's linked in the guide but I've never seen it mentioned in the threads. The guide says it's "slightly underdeveloped", but that description could be fairly out of date by now for all I know.

>>141554737
>last tweet was in 2013

Looks fine aside from missing a bunch of Kanji

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>>141553965
The kanas are the grammar. If you're struggling learning the kanas/don't want to learn them, Japanese probably isn't for you. Learning in romanji is only going to slow you down, as well as hurt your ability to see patterns/learn the symbols as you'll look at the roman letters more than the kanas.

>>141556283
What the hell anon, that's like saying that the number digits are the math.

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>>141554145

>>141556344
I mean they are, literally all math is the direct result of what happens after you have at least two possible stats of value.

>>141551376
>>141544587
>>141551175
I'm pretty sure the problem he's referring to is specific to this OP image and it should be glaringly obvious. He even isolated it for you and you're still missing it.

Maybe you should spend more time reading books and less time making OP images.

>>141556344
There's no need for analogies. He said that spelling is grammar. Which is just false.

>>141556429
That line is directly ripped from the classic one, though.

>>141556445
You use the kanas as noun/particle stamps, unless you think these two sentences are the same.

私は毎日図書館で日本語を勉強します。
私は毎日図書館に日本語を勉強します。

>>141554737
Interesting read there about "How I passed JLPT1 in 2 years"

>>141556445
You are correct.
>>141556835
Irrelevant example. Saying that "kana is grammar" is a great starter for an unnecessary discussion. "Kana is grammar" is just a weird statement.

>>141556835
You could learn that using romaji.
"toshokan de nihongo"
"toshokan ni nihongo"
Again, learning how to spell doesn't teach you grammar.

>>141556835
What does the second sentence mean?

>>141557031
gibberish

>>141557031
It's an incorrect sentence. The first one is correct.

>>141556835
I use the library everyday to study wap
everyday i look on in horror as the library uses the japanese language to study

Japanese, the only language where the more I learn and the less crutches I use the less I understand.

Why keep going? Where's my motivation?

>>141557216
everyone in your family and your friends are getting left in the dust, thats why
you're miles ahead of them by now

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>>141557216
>Why keep going? Where's my motivation?
pic related

>>141557216
Personally my motivation is that it's a fun hobby, and gives me an excuse to blow off doing my linear algebra.

>>141557300
Is there some story behind the German polandball?

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>>141557300
10/10
I've already had the setup file waiting for the day I can read fluently

Damn the potential "られる" conjugation is annoying to say

>>141557499
lalelu

that was easy

>>141557499
Feels good when you say it enough for it to just become mouth muscle memory

I love the way Japanese R sounds

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>>141557216
do it for the waifus anon.

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>>141543953
OPの精液の鬼は誰？

>>141558269
Wouldn't 悪魔 work better?

>>141558410
I personally would use 精液魔

>>141557499
>anglo problems

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Learning Japanese is like climbing a very long staircase. If you try to do too much at the beginning, you won't have much energy and will be hurting later on trying to climb the very same number of steps the next day. It's not about how fast you can climb to a certain numbered step in the beginning, it's about being willing to climb a minimum number of steps everyday. Once you have turned it into a habit, climbing that minimum amount of steps becomes so much easier. Language learning is about being consistent in the end.

The Japanese have a saying: 七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」 "Fall down 7 times, get up 8"

Don't be afraid to make mistakes! The worst you'll do is fall over, but you can always pick yourself back up. Beginners often start learning the language full of fire and determination, but quickly fizzle out due to fear of making mistakes. Look forward to making mistakes and learning from them instead. Even if climbing just a few steps feels painful, difficult, slow going and unsatisfying in the beginning, if you always stick it out, every day it becomes easier, and you definitely will achieve your goals!

What's the difference between 「遅いんじゃない？」 and 「遅くないの？」

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read this.

>>141558843
thank you

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>>141558269
She has a real name, but...

>>141559353
なんでやねん！

>>141559353
Springdaywalk-san is super cute.

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>>141558843
ありがと

>>141557300
>>141557437

This is what you can look forward to. Intense spoilers btw. Main plot only though, there's much more side content and worldbuilding in the game.

In the village of Monobeno, where the game takes place, exists a barrier that keeps two versions of Monobeno apart, one for humans and youkai that can live with humans, one for youkai that can't or don't want to be in the human world. Same barrier also keeps powerful youkai from outside world from coming to Monobeno.

When the protagonist, Tooru, was to be born, his father learned from divination that both Tooru and the mother will die during childbirth. To prevent this the father called in a good-fortune youkai, the heroine Sumi. To ensure she (and her new umbrella youkai companion Hishakaku) will be able to enter Monobeno, Tooru's father sabotaged the barrier just a little bit. Ultimately this makes Tooru feel guilt for what happens next.

Later Natsuha is born and one day is bullied and wanders into the place where the barrier is maintained using sacred water called お留め水 (word play for 乙女水). She unknowingly drinks it. The purpose of the sacred water is stabilization (of the barrier to its natural state) so it also stabilizes Natsuha to her natural state. This is important cause it at the conclusions of routes it becomes clear Natsuha has hereditary rapid-aging diseasef from her mother, but お留め水 makes sure she ages normally.

But noone initially knows any of this. Tooru and Natsuha's father and mother eventually die and Tooru and Natsuha move to Saitama, where Tooru studies to become a doctor, inspired by his osananajimi Alice's father. The game starts when Tooru and Natsuha return to Monobeno after few years, for various reasons Natsuha's emotional state gets bad, this affects お留め水 and it function and makes Natsuha's rapid-aging disease active again.

>>141559353
エレベーター
エスカレーター

>>141559465
I don't know why you felt the need to post this. No one asked.

>>141559488
Try not looking.

>>141559513
I didn't. Still, no reason to post.

>>141559536
Temptation.

>>141558843
do they really have a saying like that or is でんぱさんは妨害ことがある

>>141559465
So, is it good?

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やっと俺がこんなことを読めるになった

>>141558624
It's not only a problem for anglos. In my language the R is pronounced as it is in Japanese, but I'll be damned if I ever learned to pronounce it properly.
Instead I'm stuck with a French-like R.

>>141559715
Yeah, sure.

>>141557499
>られる
La~ Le~ Lu~ Nur der Mann im Mond. Schaut. Zu.
Wenn die kleinen Ba~by~ schla~fen.
Drum schlaf auch du.

>>141559818
Why are these pictures so horrible and yet so good at the same time

>>141559818
What's her face going to be like after the last frame when you tell her that you were only joking?
Followed by "nah, I actually wasn't".

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>>141560209
こんな顔みたいかな

Does anyone know a good website that talks about the origin and history of words and expressions? Like how they ended up being formed the way they are and such?

>>141560705
That's called "etymology".

>>141556475
You don't see it.
Read more.

>>141560705
google word + 語源 or something.

>>141560782
Ah thanks, think I found some good sites using that

>>141560886
I'll make sure to try this too

>>141560705
http://gogen-allguide.com/o/omoshiroi.html

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Is /djt/ excited for Summer?

>>141561006
That's pretty perfect shame it takes me so long to read shit like that

>>141561161
No I hate it anything above 20°C and I start to die of a heat stroke

>>141561161
why does this beginner keep posting screenshots of early core 6k vocab?

>>141561233
Why don't you just ask me personally?

>>141561161
Nah, summer is shit.

>>141561267
why do you keep posting screenshots of early core 6k vocab?

>>141561161
I fucking hate summer

>>141561161
no fuck summer
i live in aus its baby raping jesus down here, i want to move to mcmurdo station

>>141561294
Because I have a fetish for stock images placed in conjunction with awkward phrases.

>>141559248
みゆが１じ半からバイトいくから
それくらいに迎えにきてくれんかなァァ

kanji
みゆが１時半からバイト行くから
それくらいに迎えに来てくれんかなァァ

>>141561348
oh ok thanks

>>141561161
でもまぁ夏は嫌いかな

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBnAY4VH9T4

>>141561161
Summer can only improve this thread.

>>141556429
>and it should be glaringly obvious
Care to point it out?

>>141556429
>implying its objectively wrong
It's a little irritating but who cares

>>141561917
What is wrong, though? It's the same as it's always been.

ごめんなさいですわ

>>141550982
I used the JLPT lists from Tagaini Jisho, which total just over 8000 items. After completing RtK about 95% of these are covered. I believe these lists were compiled from the 出題基準, which is no longer provided in the current format, and which covered only about 80% of what might show up on the test (see Wikipedia).

We should remove RTK from the guide, it's outclassed in every way by kanjidamage. Same with TK, just change it to imabi.

>>141562790
And both of them are outclassed by vocab study.

>>141562831
and vocab study is outclassed by giving up

>>141562831
>vocabfags will defend this
笑

>>141561944
>It's the same as it's always been.
Time to read a book, Ankidrone.

>>141563003
Here is your response.
Try to enjoy the rest of your life.

>>141562790
>We should remove RTK from the guide, it's outclassed in every way by kanjidamage.
How so?

I considered trying kanjidamage but after skimming through some of the pages I didn't like how infantile it was. It also seemed really American-centric in its references which is fine if you're a burgerking but otherwise it's alienating and useless.

>>141563137
Even if you're a subhuman from Europe or Asia, you should still embrace the superior American culture.

>>141563350
>American culture
撞着語法

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>>141563350

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>>141563350

>>141561161
夏より冬が好きだ

>>141563137
A deep thinker. We get it.

>>141563137
He's shitposting. Just don't give him attention.

>>141563054
The fact that it is vertical is different, and the placement of the period is wrong. That's the only thing I can think of.

>>141563874
worst girl
best menu voice

>>141563874
go on

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How useful is RTK to someone who is already 1250+ words into Core?

I feel like I maybe need it.

>>141563966
It's pretty useful for word retention

>>141561944
I don't see a objective error but the くれたまえ is weird anime speak, if you talk like that in real life you'd get laughed at.

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>>141563874

>>141563966
It's a meme.

Wanna up your retention? Take a couple kanji you had difficulty with in your anki session, look them up on jisho and maybe even write them down on paper / make mnemonics. This does the same job as RTK, except you only use it for things you have problems with, instead of forcing it for every single babby kanji which is a waste of time.

>>141564056
I'm pretty sure he's either talking about the period like I said here >>141563876 or that he's just shitposting.

The sentence itself has been in the OP forever and everyone knows it's anime speak.

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>>141563874
Can't wait for this game to translated once. I played through it twice by now, but it's so rarely discussed on 4chan that I can never talk to people about it.

>>141564486
If you can read Japanese, why not discuss it with Japanese people?

>>141564513
They banned most of the proxies on 2ch, and I never really bothered to look for other boards.

>>141564136
Is this what N1 looks like?

>>141564624
Looks N3 to me.

>>141564624
Baldr Sky is probably below N1. It's somewhat average difficulty among VNs.

>>141564704
>>141564690
Thanks, my niggers

Pretty much everyone here probably already knows it anyway and knows about the alternatives, but since I just read an article about it, I feel like at least mentioning it.

"さようなら" is dead. It's practically not used anymore outside of saying goodbye to teachers at school.

>>141564741
wut?

>>141564765
It implies the time until you meet again is extremely long or that you will never meet again.

That's why またね, じゃあね and the likes are the expressions that are actually used.

>>141564828
Isn't that how it's always been? The way your post read made it sound like it's a new thing

>>141564871
It's not a particularly new thing, but the development is continuing.

>>141564741
さようがない

>>141564828
でもどうしてですか

>>141564690
Not quite so easy I think, I passed N2 in december but I don't know the first two compounds in the last line without looking them up. I can kind of guess the meaning based on the context and I think I've seen them before but I don't know the reading etc.

>>141564741
>but since I just read an article about it
Link?

>>141564741
It's true. I've seen it used more often as 左様 by pretentious writers than the actual phrase.

>>141565203
It's just dumb to judge native material by JLPT levels. They are written for Japanese people and therefore pretty much any average VN will contain N1 words and N1 grammar and maybe some stuff that's beyond N1.

>>141565335
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8581775.html

>>141565379
Nobody just uses 左様 to say goodbye they use さようですか as an polite そうですか

>>141565435
Sure, but I had the impression they was mostly talking about that specific sentence

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>洗わされない汗まみれおっぱい。

これは一番正確の翻訳ですか？

>>141565492
I'm sure there's something in that sentence that isn't in the N2 list too. Maybe 春先, maybe the use of にして

>>141565450
Keep in mind that if there are 80% who say they don't usually use it that means there are 20% that do still use it. Not saying you should use it yourself but just don't act all confused if someone says さよなら to you (unless it's a pretty girl, in which case they are definitely using it to tell you they never plan to see you again and it is not at all just your social anxiety making you nervous)

>>141565613
Speaking of which, I don't think there is an official vocab list for specific JLPT levels are there? Do you think they have an internal one or do they just arbitrarily choose words they think is approximately the right difficulty?

>>141565759
I'm pretty sure there is an official list, but they are allowed to use some words outside the list. I'm not completely sure how it works I suppose. But I assume they can't have a 読解 paragraph where 40% of the words are outside the list for that level.

Maybe there was just an official list for the old JLPT levels.

あっっっっつううぅぅ

やっぱ夏には勉強しにくくなるね

>>141566237
何の出鱈目言ってんだ
未だ春だろ

>>141544127
It was the strongest in the beginning and slowed down towards the end but the anime is fantastic.

A thing I have been wondering about:

Apparently おめでとう comes from お目出度う, right?
Although I just noticed that it is marked as ateji, so it's probably a little more complicated.
What is it with "the eyes coming out" there? That seems more like an expression of surprise than a congratulation.

>>141566510
Sure fucking feels like summer

わたしの魔術は狙いが甘い。
Does うまい with this kanji generally mean bad at?

>>141566923
Never seen うまい with that kanji, it's probably あまい and means naive or too optimistic.

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この断言と同意しますか？

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>>141566923
Yeah, Anon. When it's using that reading it means bad at.

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>>141563137

>>141566689
当て字 means a word uses kanji only because of their readings or only because of their meaning. In this case the kanji in お目出度う is only used because of their readings. An example of a word using kanji only because of their meaning would be 煙草

>>141566923
source?

>>141567047
Thanks anon
>>141567539
F/SN

>>141567047
good/sweet same thing xd

>>141559465
>お留め水 (word play for 乙女水)
Haha, how did I read the entire game and never realise this.

>>141567117
全然。僕はSJWなんですからね。
要するに、男は男になろうとしなければ男じゃないというの観念は毒性的な男性性だけですと思います。

Which deck are you meant to use with RTK? The guide says
>Do not use the spaced-repetition-system on Koohii; Anki is superior.
but doesn't suggest any particular deck.

The best rated RTK deck I found on the Anki site was this one:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/215365929
But there's also a deck in the mega folder for the 6th edition PDF of RTK volume 1.

>>141568908
I used the nihongoshark one.

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>>141568879
>僕はSJWなんです
そこで読み止めた

So I met up with my language exchange friend today and we ended up playing Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes in Japanese. I'm down to the last module and he tells me それなら、最初を切って。Except I misheard him and thought he said 最後. Blew the fuck up and lost it.

>>141568908
The one in the CoR is good. The AnkiWeb deck is for the 5th edition. You need to follow the book too.

>>141569038
This one?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1956010956

>>141569186
>The AnkiWeb deck is for the 5th edition.
There's a 6th edition version of the deck there too. I didn't notice it when I first skimmed through the shared decks page.

>>141569272
Yeah, that looks the part. You'll have manually uncomment the RTK section section in the back field for it to appear, if memory serves.

ive been studying Japanese for 3 years and I have come to these conclusions:

- anki just makes you think you are learning Japanese. In reality you are learning nothing.

- you should learn on/kun omi and stroke order separately and NOT at the exact same time as vocab (it makes you remember more stuff so harder to focus on one thing)

- don't worry about grammar. It will come naturally from watching lots of anime/ reading

>>141561357
holy, someone actually did it.

>>141569731
>In reality you are learning nothing.
Yeah, of course you aren't, genius.

Before responding to >>141569731
Read >>141543979

>>141569899
youre just as much of a shitposter get off it

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>>141569731

>>141569563
Just checked and that deck seems to be the exact same thing as the one in the CoR, only the comments on the back of the card are removed by default on the CoR one. Not sure if the nihongoshark one follows the 6th edition order or not so that might be another difference.

Speaking of the decks in the CoR, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between the one in the mega folder with the RTK 6th edition PDF and the one in the "Advanced RTK" mega link. They look to be identical, both have the same number of cards, and the file names only differ in that one has square brackets in it while the other doesn't, but there is a small difference in file size (0.2MB) which suggests that there is indeed some sort of difference between them.

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>>141569731
And it took you three fucking years to realize this?

I mean, I'm retarded and it took me 2 or 3 months to realize those 3 things

>>141569731
>- you should learn on/kun omi and stroke order separately and NOT at the exact same time as vocab
Do you even need to if you are learning vocab only?

>>141567117
>と

>>141543953

Loving this OP image. Nice design.

>>141569994
わたくしはそなたよりずっとずっとわかってるわ

>>141570230
i only took me 2-3 months to learn japanese honestly

i dont know how it takes people years

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>>141570338

>>141570420
Use kanji. I ain't reading all that.

>>141570662
>I ain't reading all that.

youre right about that

>>141545216
それどころじゃない

>>141570420
>2-3 months to learn japanese
>わたくしはそなたよりずっとずっとわかってるわ
It really shows.

>>141570420
Where the fuck is the kanji? This is disgusting to read without it.

>>141570662
>>141571409
i wanna start a reality tv show where i just lock a bunch of djt boys in a house with nothing but a famicom and famicom games and watch them squirm

>>141571791
I want you to get finish with English before pretending you know Japanese.

>>141571948
come on dude you cant fuck with me dont even bother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcujQwmEcl0

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does 大人ちんぽ mean literally adult penis or big penis?

>>141572903
virtuous penis

>>141572903
Adultlike penis, as opposed to the tiny peckers that Japanese guys usually have.

how do i say "murderous intent" in japanese?

>>141573703
殺す目的目的? I tried

>>141573703
殺すアウラ

>>141573765
>>141573703
殺す目的? I tried