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>be literally the worst ninja at the academy
>successfully steal a super duper forbidden jutsu scroll
>later learn that scroll in like half an hour, although just couple of hours before it was shown you couldn't even make a shitty regular clone

Did Kishi seriously never address this?
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The ability to learn has much to do with your motivation to learn.
When you're bullied in class (which at this point of the story he still was before it was retconned) then you are probably not very motivated and therefore rather bad.
When you manage to steal the ultra-super technique that will turn your life around, do you think that will motivate you to practice really hard?
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>>141203398
He sat down and dedicated himself to it in that half hour, he probably never gave much thought to REALLY trying to learn the regular clone.
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>>141203398
He only learned the clone Shadow clone jutsu frim the scroll, and despite being dead last the only hang up he had that prevented him from graduating earlier was making regular clones that he couldn't pull off because he has so much chakra,
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>super duper forbidden jutsu
>everyone knows and uses it
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>>141205369
Not many people actually knew it though.
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>>141205429
Zabuza uses a variation of this technique in the very next arc
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>>141205526
Shadow clones =/= Water clones
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>>141205526
But that's not shadow clone. Shadow clone was special (and forbidden) because it made the clones out of pure chakra. Other clone techniques required a building material like water or sand to be shaped into a clone.
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If he wasn't so shit, he would have at the least read the fucking notes. Or noticed that he gets the clones experience.
So yes, its actually addressed.
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>>141205304
Amount of chakra has nothing to do with control
He just never practiced things that weren't visible like history and shit
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>>141203398
he can be good at stealth and distracted the hokage with the sexy no jutsu
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>>141205615
>Amount of chakra has nothing to do with control
pretty sure it was mentioned that Sakura was able to pull off the tree climbing control exercise so easily was because she had way less chakra than both Sasuke and Naruto,
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Forbidden jutsu scrolls should have had more importance.
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>>141206606
A lot of things should've happened, but then Shippuden happened.
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>>141203398
>be literally the worst ninja at the academy
>Keep pace with Rookie of the year in the tree climbing exercise
>Learn the technique in the same amount of time despite having absolute shit control

Kishi never addresses a lot of things.
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>>141203398
Kishi left so many holes and inconsistencies that it's not even worth trying to list them, but the reason that the multi shadow clone jutsu was forbidden was not that it was super hard or special but that almost nobody had the charka reserves to do it without killing themselves.

Naruto was basically just an exceptionally lucky retard who found the one secret skill suited for him that he wouldn't immediately die trying.
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>>141203398
or that he was a 3 year flunk in the test to graduate yet still somehow the runt of the litter and not older than everyone else?
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>>141203398
Bigger plot hole was that people knew that he was the 4th's son and still treated him like shit. The villagers are one thing, but there's no excuse from the rest of the ninjas, especially Jaraiya.
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>>141203398
>>141207989
A bigger problem, though not neccessarily a plot hole, is that the entire story undermines its own premise
>Naruto is a fuck-off goofball but with hard work he can equal or even surpass the talented!
>Oh, and he has this fox inside of him that gives him superhuman chakra and his parents were ninja übermenschen making him effectively Ninja Jesus
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>>141203398
based tobe gives good instructions
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>>141205701
no, that was never claimed
naruto just didn't concentrate enough
and sasuke put too much power into it
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>>141207937
kishimoto never addressed it, but i eventually simply assumed Naruto just took the test earlier than the proper graduation year just to prove he can do it(and then failed)
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>>141203398
friendly reminder that naruto managed to learn this technique without knowing what chakra is
i'm not making this shit up
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>>141208612
he knows what chakra is, he just doesn't know how it works exactly. But from what we could tell, for most techniques you don't need to know that shit, all you need to know is that it is "energy" from inside your body
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>>141208679
i don't think you understand this. he didn't know what chakra is at that point.
he had to have it explained to him so he would know what chakra is.
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>>141208770
I understood you, but i thought it was as i said
but i checked it out now, and i remembered wrong, it is as you said, he doesn't know the word "chakra"

maybe the scroll never used the word "chakra"? After all we have no idea how normal jutsus(that are done with hand signs) work in Naruto, since it is explained with just "it's magic"
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>>141203398
kishi's strengths are character design, character interaction, and the shallower parts of world building.

unfortunately his plot development (and particularly consistency) skills are virtually nonexistent.

> flunk 3x but somehow same age
> laziest student but also somehow hardworking
> looks just like the 4th but apparently a civilization of spies mostly don't notice
> same for having whisker marks while basically every village has a jinchuriki
> 9 genin graduate in a year from the largest village, 1 makes chunin in 6 months from 3 or 4 villages, but thousands of ninjas can fight in a war
> ...
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>>141209107
>laziest student but also somehow hardworking
Happens a lot in reallife as well, it is the motivation behind your studying that determines how well you do.

>same for having whisker marks while basically every village has a jinchuriki
Since his mother was a jinchuriki, i think we can explain his whiskers away with it was because his mother had a demon inside her, not him, same with his children.
>> 9 genin graduate in a year from the largest village, 1 makes chunin in 6 months from 3 or 4 villages, but thousands of ninjas can fight in a war
can be explained in several ways
1) Most of them could be genin
2) Different teachers graduate a different amount of chuunin, they change after all. Like the Hokage said, it could be that none of them became chuunin or all of them.
3) People like Kakashi were from a different time where war was more constant thus had to graduate early, both as genin and probably the other classes as well.
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>>141209045
>maybe the scroll never used the word "chakra"?
maybe if kishi wrote the scroll
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>>141203398
>go to www.4chan.org/a/
>make a thread about nuruto anime
>???
>(:3c
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>>141205581
That was an asspull to learn the Shuriken Rasengan in time and you know it
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>>141208366
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
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>>141203398
It's your typical shounen magic, ain't gotta explain shit.
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>normal clones are intangible
>shadows are intangible
>shadow clones are tangible
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>kishi
>thinking about doing consistent plot
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>>141208165
Only reason he was shit was because fox demon thingy fucked up his chakra control.
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>>141211084
minus and minus equals plus
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>>141208165
Well the whole story is him working up to that point admittedly with plenty of free powers just thrown at him.
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>>141207989
Can't survive in the ninja world with that mentality.
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Wasn't because Naruto felt lonely?
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>>141210957
Yes, Kaguya Ootsuki.
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>>141211084
It's called shadow clones because they have shadows.
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>>141203398
Regular clones are just illusions. Kage bunshin is literal chakra that can actually interact. Basically, Naruto isn't proficient with genjutsu type things.
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>>141217109
Pottery.
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>>141210957
I feel ashamed that I understood all of that.
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>>141203398
>fighting Madara after dying and Ninja Jesus gives his kids a power up
>creates a lava rasen-shuriken
>show states that Naruto can only use wind chakra
>never uses it again
>never explained how he created a complex fire/earth/wind jutsu on his first try when it took him 2 1/2 years to master just a regular wind rasen-shuriken
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>>141218104
How long would it take for you to explain to someone who hasn't touched Naruto since 2006?
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>>141218887
8 years
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>>141218704
Wasn't Naruto channeling the power of all tailed beasts?
The monkey had lava release.
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>>141219187
Yup
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>>141218704
I thought it was that wind would be the easiest for him to learn. If that leaf test was so restrictive, no one would know more than one element.
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>>141208165
A big theme of the series seem to be racism is bad, except that Uchihas are genetically predisposed to go insane and get superpowers with their insanity so genocide is the best solution
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>>141210957
Which Madara ARE you talking about then?
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>>141203398
One of the reason he sucked, beside not paying attention, was his chakra control

the Mass Shadow Clones technique splits chakra automatically, negating the problem.
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>>141203454
>before it was retconned
What, so he actually wasn't an outcast when he was a kid?
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>>141203398
>hard work vs being a genius is a major theme in the early series
>lee gets messed up by gaara
>naruto keeps winning fights only because of the fox and not because he worked hard
>everyone that wasnt born with uchiha genes becomes a side character

Did Kishi try to tell us something?
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>>141203398
why would he? just explained away by ninjutsu.
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>>141205369
The forbidden part is actually the multiple,or the number snce nrmal pple don't hve enough chakra the risk is high.. Tht y it's forbidden
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>>141220390
Does anyone have that pasta of how Naruto supports fascism?
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>>141205369
>forbidden jutsu
>it's literally one hand sign
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Naruto got nerfed by Kurama messing his chakra, I bet that without it we would had Hashirama 2.

Seriously Naruto went from almost dropout to on par with the number 1 rookie, nigga only needed some more attention and rised up the ranks like nothing in no time, dude was always OP.
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>hand signs flat out disappear in the series
>ninja weapons were never useful
>everything was just magic power bullshit
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>>141224981
>ninja weapons were never useful
Poor 10/10
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>>141208679
>he knows what chakra is
he didn't
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>>141225085
When were they ever useful at all after the chuunin exams?
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>>141208366
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So those lines are really whiskers? Like, full on hair extensions protruding form his face whiskers? Like a cats?

Did nobody think that was weird?
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>>141218887
>>141219068

Explain pls senpai. I haven't bothered with Naruto since exactly 2006
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>>141225252
In the same village there is a family that willfully act as a hosts to thousands of bugs inside their body. A kid with whiskers isn't too bad to them most likely.
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>>141222217
Hard work vs Genius was only a main theme during the chunin exam
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>>141225202
Sasuke used them to pin down Deidara to an explosive bird and Itachi used them to blind all of Pain's summons.

Tenten is just shit
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Hey, I have a question about Naruto that the series never answered...who raised Naruto and Sasuke? I mean, Naruto was a baby when he lost his parents and Sasuke was like...6? Who the hell took care of these kids?
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>>141222831
i c
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>>141225602
Why do you think they're the way they are?
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>>141225415
>only useful twice

Exactly my point. When's the last time anybody died to them? The last time anybody was "OH SHIT A KUNAI"
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>>141225602
It was never brought up
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>>141205369
Kage Bunshin is not forbidden.
Tajuu Kage bunshin is.

That's the one Naruto learns. Nobody else in the series is capable of making so many clones
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>>141225208

>implying
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>>141203398
Yes he did.
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>>141225934
You need to add yet another panel of her getting stabbed
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>>141203454
Him being an outcast was never retconned though.
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>>141208165
Except the story never was about hard work you fucking retard, it's about never giving up, not going back on your word
>That's my Nindo!

Sasuke was a genius but he trained harder than anyone else, Neji was a genius but he trained harded than everyone else and so on.

You didn't get the point when it was adressed in the chunnin exams, retard.
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>>141225252

You do know they have shit like talking dogs and an entire furfag clan?
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>>141222052
yes he was he is just stupid
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>>141226062
That was always the worst part about the theme as the guys lauded as "true geniuses who don't need hard work" worked their asses off anyways
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>>141218704
>I'm retarded

The post
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>>141226062
It was also about the power of friendship and the pain of loneliness.
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>>141225763
Naruto put a kunai bomb in Gaara's ass.

There's plenty of times where ninja tools were used. Hashirama stabbed Madara too, Izuna got fucked by Tobirama.

Tenten is just garbage.
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>>141225602
donovan
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>>141226062
Being a genius means you can figure out things yourself. Sasuke and Neji figured out things relatively without as much instruction.
Naruto and Lee on the other hand needed handholding.
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>>141226830
Lee was a genius too
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>>141226910
When narudo was good.

>feelsbadman.png
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>>141209456
The whole concept of chakra elements was an asspull.
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So, i am working on a Naruto NRPG, can you guys give me ideas to create taijutsu styles, Clans, kekken genkais and kekken tottas, this kind of stuff ?
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>>141226910

Everyone is a fucking genius in Naruto.

>that kid he is eating ramen with one hand, he's a genius!
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>>141226910
AHH, THAT IS BETTER, NOW I WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FREELY
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>>141227312
As a whole it was alright, the elemental rasengan being a big deal was stupid thou. Shit the games beat the to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUXzGg_aobY
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>>141227312
It was introduced from the beginning of the series with Sasuke's fireball, Kakashi's earth jutsu to drag people underground down and the chidori
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>>141226910
>uses one hand to do hand signs
ITS A FUCKING GENIUS
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>>141227535
Except Kiba, till the end he was always 5 steps behind the group. Right next to Tenten.
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>>141227659

>Tfw you loved the ideas of ninja dogs, but the character representing them was a total waste of space.
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>>141227659

Tenten was at least cute though.
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>>141227754
why was tenten wasted. this makes me fucking livid
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>>141223223
Holy shit I want to read this
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>>141227846
Come to think of it, why does this keep happening to the Chinese girls?
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>>141227581
No it wasn't. There was nothing at that point to say Sasuke was a fire/lightning type ninja and Naruto was a wind type. They were just techniques that happened to have a certain element.
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>>141228013
Japanese hatred of China.
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>>141209456
It kinda wasn't because I remember thinking about it way back that he learns from the clones but it was never adressed. I wouldnt say an asspull, naruto is just dumb and didnt notice
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Why didn't Lee ever take off his weights again?
Why didn't he master drunken fist?
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>>141227504
No rinnegan, who wins between sauce and madara?
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>>141228334
Same reason Goku stopped taking off his weighted stuff, once you reach a certain point it's not really weighing you down anymore.
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>>141228414
The two armed man with the better susanoo
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>>141228334

Because the weights were just an asspull to ultimately make Gaara look godly.
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>>141203398
He had so much chakra and such shit control over it that it was easier for him to do a high cost technique than a low cost one.
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>>141203398
>Did Kishi seriously never address this?
sure he did. he retaconed Naruto into a superpowered secret bloodline ninja who has the inherent abilities of a god or some stupid shit. All his tryhard nonsense was him whining at even having to try at all, since he was born to be the strongest ninja ever anyway.

now watch his "tryhard" montages again and remember he's really the super powered god child, and it turns those scenes on their head. He's no longer a try hard he's a serial underachiever who whines constantly about hard work.
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>>141205701
lol what fucking manga were you reading
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>>141203398
He addressed it by making Naruto having noble ninja bloodlines all along.
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>>141225602
Holy shit.
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>>141230852
This has to be the best explanation to make sense of the retcon.
Remember /a/ the three magic words: Neji was right.
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>>141225362
>Hard work vs Genius was only a main theme during the chunin exam

Bullshit, the Sage of Six Bullshits claimed that Nardo, the reincarnation of his god seed, host of a chakra spam machine, son of two powerful ninjas, became successful because of his hard work ethic when we all know that is a load of crap.
0/10 Kishi
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>>141235457
No, he said that he and Ashura became powerful due to the power of friendship
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>>141235267
>Neji died for our sins
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