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Did anyone actually believed that Vegeta would do anything else

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Did anyone actually believed that Vegeta would do anything else but job?
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>>140306610
Of course not.
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Does anyone realize how fucking strong Goku is right now?

It's vague, but Akira roughly described God Goku as 60%, Beerus as 100%, and whis as 150%.

Blue is slightly stronger than God.

Kaio Ken x10 Blue is somewhere well above 600%.

Unless other characters come up with amazing tricks, Goku is the strongest character in any DB series so far, by far, and on another level compared to anyone else we know
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>>140307605

From what I understand, Toriama Described Goku, ad a "6", Beerus as a "10", and Whis as a "15".

That doesn't necessarily translate to a linear scale.

Have you ever heard of the Richter scale?
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>>140307605
ssjb is weaker than ssj god
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>>140308001
No, it surpasses normal Super Saiyan God. Look it up.
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>>140307605
Goku also can do kaioken x20 so he can go even further. Guess Beerus will really have to do some secret training sometime soon.
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>>140308001
If it is, it can't be by much.

Whis said in RoF that if Goku and Vegeta were willing to fight together, they could already beat Beerus.
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>>140308035
toriyama stated in a interview that ssjb is weaker than ssjgod
he said that red is a stronger color than blue
going by that we should asume that ssjb+10xkaioken=ssj god
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But he did do more than just job. He took out Frost, Magetta, and Cabba.
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>>140306610
>job
>won 3 matches

Like he single handily made a 3v4 into a 3v1. He did a great job.
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>>140308151
He could've gone without that almost elimination though...
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>>140308094
>it can't be by much.
we're at this stage
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>>140306610
I knew it.
Did anyone actually think that Goku wouldn't come back and Vegeta wouldn't take his spot as second banana?

Vegetafags got so uppity that Vegeta got to do a little bit more, they let the illusion of Vegeta being on level with Goku get to their heads.
So great, Vegeta takes the agency of every other character and still does the jobbing routine. He gets in two or more fights to have same result.

Are you happy?
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>>140308151
Piccolo could have defeated all of them, at once.

They were weak as fuck.
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>>140306610
>He just jobbed like always, haha.

He took out three members of the enemy team himself
Was the only reason Goku got another chance in the tournament
Taught a young Saiyan kid about pride
Was the reason that Goku knew the secret of Hit's power
etc

He did more than anyone in this tournament. Even if Goku beats Hit, Vegeta still did 90% of the shit up until that point. Even in a situation when he won three times more than he lost, are people searching so hard to meme that they still have to shit on this?
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>>140308130

He said red looks stronger than blue, but he clarified that SSGSS IS stronger than SSG. Read the interview. I would say re-read it, but I don't think you did in the first place.

Stop propagating false information. I know this is a children's show, but that behavior is obviously present in other aspects of your life, and is why you will never be seen as competent by anyone involved in business or academics.

This applies to you faggots reading this, too. I'm going to bed, so don't bother defending your bad choices and weak mentalities.
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>>140308567
Yeah he is a jobber.
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>>140307605
People keep memeing this in the last few threads

The scale isn't linear; we know Hit isn't stronger than the gods, and he's still basically as strong as Goku is now.

Toriyama also said that he doesn't plan for Goku to surpass Beerus any time soon. Even at 10x stronger, however Toriyama makes sense of this, Goku is still not that close to Beerus yet.
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Daily reminder that Goku is either Faster than Time or so strong that Time means shit to him
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>>140308489
Picollo was weaker than Frost though.
Hell the fact that Magetta was trading blows with SS Vegeta probably puts him above SP Cell.
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>>140307605
It's not linear you fatfuck.

Even a hundred of 5s will never be a rival for a single 10.
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>>140308680
>Picollo was weaker than Frost though
No he wasn't. He only lost because of the poison.

>Magetta was trading blows with SS Vegeta
Piccolo's definitely above SSJ1 at this point.
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Vegeta beat the guy who beat Goku,

And Goku beat the guy who beat Vegeta.

If you guys can't grasp that there's more to fighting than raw power, then your opinions are worthless.

For all we know, Vegeta could best Goku 5 times out of 10. He could choose to wear out Goku's kaioken by keeping his distance, then KO Goku seemingly effortlessly. And in the next round, Goku will adapt to Vegeta's tactics, and vice versa, so on and so forth.
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>>140308130
>It's the I am gonna pull things out of my ass and mention Toriyama interview time
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>>140308770
Their base SS form is already far above their ss2 and ss3 forms.

No Picollo was getting his ass dominated, his only chance was using his special attack.
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>all these vegetacucks trying to make excuses
>''bu-but he beat some minions before''
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>>140307605
not percents
factors
Goku was a 6, probably a 7 by the time the tournament happened
Kaioken x 10 likely takes Goku from 7 to 8.
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>>140308842
>shit from the anime
read the manga
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>>140308842
This. So is their base forms now that they have god ki. They really have no reason to go ssj2 or ssj3 at this point, because it'd ruin the efficiency.
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>>140306610
I don't give a shit about that angry manlet. I'm still mad how bad they fucked over Piccolo again.
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>>140308875
But the anime is canon and the manga isn't? You do know that Toriyama has more involvement with the anime than manga right?
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>>140308718

Exactly.

6 could mean a powerlevel of 100^6, and 10 could mean 100^10, and 15 100^15.

Beerus being at 70% could be on an exponential scale instead of a linear one.
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>>140308794
>He could choose to wear out Goku's kaioken by keeping his distance
What the fuck.

Goku's 10x kaioken is faster than fucking Hit's time lapse. He wouldn't be able to move an inch.
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>>140306610
Vegeta didn't job. He went in blind against someone with an undisclosed time-stop hax and looks stronger than Beerus or Champa.
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>>140308151
If he went ss blue he could have done all that in one episode.
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>>140308912
>You do know that Toriyama has more involvement with the anime than manga right?
he stated that the anime doesn't follow his storyboards as good as the manga
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Vegeta is lucky that he's still a main character.
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>>140308680
Frost said if special beam cannon hit him he would have lost. What you are saying is debatable
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SSGSS Vegito kaioken 20x would rekt Beerus.
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>>140308932

Not necessarily. Agility is different from mobility. Also, Vegeta could spam energy attacks at Goku while backing away. Goku would have to keep his defenses raised to tank those, and that might compromise his speed. Think about real life, and how much more effort it takes to deflect or tank punches than it does to throw them.
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>>140308794
So much this
That also applies in Yamtcha vs beerus
Yamcha could easily hide under a rock and let beerus searching the whole universe and when he gets tired Yamcha gets out and Wolf fang fist his ass to the ground
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>>140307605
>>140307917
>>140308001
>>140308035
>>140308077
>>140308094
>>140308130
>>140308873
>>140308928
Is there always this much math for something as simplistic as Dragon Ball power levels?
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>>140309033
I don't think you understand just how fast Goku was.

Hit's 0.5 time skip allowed him to get in about 20 punches on SSJB Goku. Goku literally could not even react.

Now Kaioken 10x makes him FASTER than Hit's 0.5 time skip. Vegeta couldn't even react to 0.1.

There's no way Vegeta could stand a chance. He even said Goku is always one step ahead.

He would have taken 50x blows before even throwing 1 energy attack.
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>>140309025
Your thoughts on Beerus utter annihilated SSGSS Vegito Kaioken 80x?
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>>140309135

Nigga I bet you can't even read this number
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So it seems at the end of Episode 39, that goku loses to Hit.

seems monaka will fight afterall

it would be funny as hell if he just one shots Hit
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>>140306610
He beat down three opponents so it's not like it was the worst he's ever done. Piccolo got the shaft even harder, but that's to be expected.
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regardless of all the arguing about different interpretations of the power levels, you realize that DB is reaching levels that are fucking ridiculous. SSB is slightly weaker than then SSG, so you could estimate it to be right about universe buster level, with gokus training it's maybe a little more. And then he used kaioken ON TOP OF THAT. Goku is multiuniversal buster level now. He's even surpassed STTGL, it's doubtful that any non-db anime character who isn't an actual god could even touch him. Just wait till Goku reveals his new technique, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, Oozaru transformation. I guarantee it
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Nothing after the Cell Saga is canon
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>>140309290
You realize that Goku has probably surpassed that Golden Superman version now?
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>>140308842
Piccolo at this level would be able take out Cell in his 2nd form. Frost was maybe stronger than Frieza on namek but not by much. That makes no sense.
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>>140309732
He could take on second form Cell after the HBTC. After 12 years of training he should be able to take on Perfect
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The worst part about Dragon Ball Z is how they retroactively make the last villains look like shit in the next arc. When Pikkon one shots Cell, it makes you think just how pointless it all was when people like him were around. Its just a big insult to the previous material.
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>>140309792
I know but I'm giving it leeways. Either way Frost said he couldn't control his final form. So how could he be much stronger than Frieza on namek. People are idiots for saying Piccolo would lose. Now the robot magnetta or whatever I could see Piccolo losing against since he beat final flash.
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>>140306610
No, because in the Saiyan Language "Vegeta" is the word for "Jobber"
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>>140307605
There is no way Goku is stronger than Beerus faggot.
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>>140309846
Why not? He's multi universal buster level now, He's so fucking strong he doesn't even give a shit about time, he shits on the laws of reality and does whatever the fuck he wants.
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It should occurred to me just how fucking strong Whis is.

He can time leap 3 full minutes, and then reverse time 3 full minutes. How the hell would Goku ever come close to that?
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>>140308130
No, he didn't, you fucking retard.
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>>140306610
I did
Poor Vegetable, once again surpassed by Goku, i hate this.
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>>140307605
Goku is officially weaker than Beerus. But it seems like Beerus would need to start training again if he wants to keep up.
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>>140310005
>Why not? He's multi universal buster level now, He's so fucking strong he doesn't even give a shit about time, he shits on the laws of reality and does whatever the fuck he wants.
So can the Flash.
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>>140308995
He was weaker than Raditz and still killed him with one SBC
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>>140309135
How fucking new are you motherfucker? DBfags are obsessed with numbers, It's like we have a autistic obsession with numbers.
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How powerful was Trunks when he fought Cell? After the episode "Trunk's Ascends" when he goes USSJ, he powers up two more times before being defeated
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>>140310076
The Flash got tripped by Deathstroke twice. Killed once, also.
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>>140310076
can the flash endanger the universe just from a raw physical strength standpoint? not including space warp gimmick shit because goku can do that too
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>>140310264
To be fair, the laser ring and poison happened.
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>>140309710
I do not read comics, but based upon what i have read online about Superman Prime, it would certainly seem that he and Goku could have a damn good match at the very least.

Personally i cannot wait for when Goku perfects God Kaio-Ken
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How strong is super saiyan white going to be when the author gets around to doing it? Finally the dreams of deviantart users will come true
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>>140309732
Piccolo is a Namek
they don't get the same gains through training or fighting that Saiyans or humans do.
Piccolo, at his peak power during the radditz fight was about even with Radditz, but couldn't hold that power.
By the time Vegeta landed, he had effectively doubled his power, but was able to hold it at that all the time. But still, that was an entire year of training
Then, after a few months of training in the afterlife, he merged with Nail (pl: 42,000) and came out around a million... it's pretty obvious that the fusion grants a tremendous power boost. This is made even more obvious by Kami fusing with piccolo, and bringing him up to being on par with 17. Then he trained for at least a year in the RoSaT and basically had the smallest power up of anyone who used that room.
And, all signs point to him having not significantly gained power ever since.
Piccolo trains to be BETTER, not stronger.
That puts Frost at roughly 2nd form Cell in terms of power, or weaker.
Magetta being able to trade blows with Vegeta puts him a step above that, of course, but remember that in a straight fight, Vegeta would have won a lot easier, but Vegeta had to constantly watch where he was moving to avoid getting disqualified.
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>Stare at a strong guy for ten seconds
>Your time powers just doubled in power
ok what's up with all of these "Villains get exponentially stronger in extremely short amounts of time just because they didn't know they could be stronger if they tried"

Freezer did it, Hitto did it, I'm getting tired of Toriyama's memes.
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>>140309710
The problem with that is that people cheering for superman don't read comics.
Did you know superman entirely failed to lift the book that had an infinite number of pages you hear about so much online? He just got zapped away by it.
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>>140308001
that was never stated anywhere. idiots just think that because god was merely a temporary power boost that required a ritual and blue can be activated at will and is said to be super saiyan + god ki.

and yeah, we never saw vegeta go normal god, but why should we? they could've easily just let him have the form next day and did that holding hands bullshit, but it'd be pointless to animate cause then he'd probably just sit there until it dissolved since no enemy to fight.
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>They will never explain how vegeta got the SSB form in the first place

This triggers my autism
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>>140310954
He tried really hard and got angry and powered up, what else would it possibly fucking be?
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What did he mean by this?
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>>140308680
>Picollo was weaker than Frost though.

I'm calling this shit out now. What they've done to piccolo in this series is an insult. At this point he should be way stronger than what they've shown him as. And he's way smarter. The old piccolo would've seen Frost's poison bullshit. He also would've been more powerful regardless.

The number one thing I hate about super is the complete disregard to the other characters.
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>>140311070
Who the fuck is lizard man? Yakkon?
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>>140306610
Can I just say, jesus christ that frame looks horrifically drawn.
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>>140310983
You have to have achieved god form before hand before you can go red. They never say or show him undergoing the ritual.
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>>140309135
Yes, but it's all pointless to think about anyway, so I don't know why we always bother.
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>>140311162
Only about three episodes have been decently animated so far

Most recent one was pretty good.
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>>140311070
>Dragon Ball
>Bad Art
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>>140311202
>dat blue-red aura

Shieeeet, Toriyama finally upgrade from a single colour? Nice.
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>>140311202
>Goku is now 2 colors at once!

Do Superfags really think this shit is cool?
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>>140311266
Shit is fucking cool, my man.

Look at that, has it ever been done before?
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>>140311202
I was expecting a purple aura but I guess only bad guys get those.
Still Goku looks baller as fuck.
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>>140311202
All I want is a god damn well animated, world-ending tier final flash.

That final flash we got against mr roboto was flimsy and weak.
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>>140311266
You kidding, this moment was some of the most hype shit to date when the theme-song started playing when Goku turned it all around there.

It wasn't just the moment itself, its how the moment was actually directed well once you factor in all the elements. The sound, visuals, and everything came together for the last part of one episode finally. People have been saying all day that this moment felt honestly like old Dragonball Z again, it made them feel like a kid again because it really kind of captured a certain feeling.
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>>140311505
but the theme song is shit
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>>140311585
>tfw no falconer music until the dubs, if ever
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>>140311609
>Falconer music
The only good Falconer piece is the Dragon Theme
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>>140309294
Naisu Gai!
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>>140311648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wW47fFiKMg
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https://youtu.be/bC5XKpthBc8?t=2m56s

footage of the important parts of the fight mostly
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>wins four fights in a row
>loses because the fifth can do something almost no-one in Dragon Ball is capable of
>jobber
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>>140311428
it's a disgrace that is likely the only final flash we'll get in the series and it was wasted on some robo jobber. the move itself didn't even get the job done, which is asinine.
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>>140311876
He's used the Galick Gun twice, and still hasn't used the God Final Flash. Chillax.
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Friendly reminder that Goku is stronger than Vegeta even without KK. he took Hit's improved time leap barrage without getting knocked out.
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>>140311923
>God Final Flash
It doesn't need to go bigger, it just needs to be animated better.
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I dont get hits power explanation, he gets stronger by learning, and he learns by fighting goku? How strong would he be if he fought the gods?
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>>140312005
https://youtu.be/w6Q2378-BNM?t=118

It needs to be animated in the first place.
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>>140312175
>I don't get his power explanation

He can freeze time for a brief moment, which is a huge amount of leeway when fights happen within the milliseconds with how fast they move

His race doesn't have a concept for getting stronger through ki training, instead they only have a concept of getting stronger through impriving how long they can freeze time.

He's never needed to improve before since he was born great, but upon fighting Goku, he finally felt that burning spirit in him to improve. So during the match upon finally meeting a worthy rival, he finally gave it his all to try to improve his abilities by pushing beyond his limits. Turns out he's a natural genius, and he was improving faster than even he realized he could after finally giving it his all.

He's just now learning to push beyond his limits and keep going, but the basis for his power is just increasing his time-stop. For the first time Hit is having fun with a fight, rather than it just being an assassination without effort. Its like Toguro finally needing to go all out for the first time, and to go even beyond that.

Goku nulled this advantage by moving faster than time.
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>>140310365
Superman Prime is omniscient and omnipresent. It's ridiculous to even compare anyone to Prime as he's not even a character at that point. I'm a big Superman fan and I don't consider Prime as a real 'Superman'. It's just god at that point.
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>>140312466
>Goku nulled this advantage by moving faster than time.

I hate this bullshit, because I'm damn near certain they had FTL moves by the end of DBZ. Not even mentioning instant transmission.
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>>140312549
He appeared for three pages, there's no telling what he can actually do or not do.

98% of it is just people extrapolating based on "Whoa Whoa, he stayed in the sun for so long, when staying in the sun for even a short amount of time makes him this strong. He must be all powerful now".

There's no saying if there's an upper limit he reach in power after staying in the sun. His cells can only carry so much energy. Rather than just storing it infinitely just because he does it longer.
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So, during the first movie, Goku was a 6 and Beerus a 10.

If we assume it goes by a factor of 10 for each point, that means Beerus was 10000 times stronger than Goku at the time?
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>>140312767
There is a reason Raditz lost. You can't reduce someone's strength to a mere number.
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>>140312466
>He's never needed to improve before since he was born great
On top of having another Frieza in the tournament right after RoF, we have someone with Frieza's born a prodigy never needed to train until Goku nonsense.
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>>140312992
Slightly different situations

Hit was just bored of fighting since he's never fought someone on his level before, it was just a job

Fighting Goku awoke a spark in him that caused him to rapidly start evolving, since he finally found a guy that made him want to evolve. He's kind of more like Vegeta in that respect. Vegeta was also a prodigy who was born the strongest early on, until he wasn't. Meeting Goku caused him to train.

Its become a meme lately because "Four months", but if you think Freiza is the apex and only attribution to this trope in DBZ, that's off.

Of course you never need to train until you finally meet someone strong enough to warn you to train. Goku is the guy that goes around and fights everyone, and awakens a spark in them to get stronger. its noted that even Beerus hasn't reached his full potential yet, and he wants Goku to grow stronger so that Beerus himself can have a bit of a rival to grow as well.

Which is trouble since the universe can't handle it
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>>140312549
Isn't that Thought Robot Superman who is omniscient and omnipresent?
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>>140313123
Surely Champa knew of Hit's reputation since he decided he needed him on the team at all costs. You would think he would want to fight him in the same way Beerus wants to fight a stronger Goku.
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>>140313258
Champa and Beerus seem different in that aspect, they have a few differences.
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>>140308077
Why doesn't Bill just use Kaio Ken too?
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>>140313352
Its the first time he's heard of it
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>10% chance of working
>it works
Can you just not give it this retarded backstory of how dangerous the incomplete version is? It does absolutely nothing.
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>>140313435
he knows all the kais and shenron yet hasn't heard of it? terrible writing.
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>>140313566

>Can you just not give it this retarded backstory of how dangerous the incomplete version is? It does absolutely nothing.

You gotta wake up your easily hyped inner child up before you watch Dragonball
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>>140313627

Why would he need to? Why would he care? King Kai's a bum to him. He's Beerus.

Plus, Goku is the only person to have ever made it relevant on a scale that matters to him, which is right then and there
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>>140313627
Its strange that you think this is bad writing. Do you know everything about your friends? Beerus spends 99% of his time asleep, and doesn't really have a deep relationship with anyone except for Whis. People know about him more than he cares about them for sure.

Its weird enough King Kai created a technique like this out of nowhere, but the only reason anyone knows about it is because he taught it to a random saiyan child who needed to save his planet one day. Its not like King Kai uses this technique himself.

King Kai may have created it in the last few hundred years while Beerus was asleep anyway.
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>>140313601
I don't give a fuck, that shit is cool
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>>140309427
Monaka's a phony, DYEWTS?
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>>140313566
I think it's just there to tell us why he won't be using too often.
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>>140314386
>He won't use often
Next in DBZ : He will use often
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Hell no. Not as bad as Gohan though.

But the real question is what would be your favorite moment?
Done in by his own pride, like letting Cell absorb 18?
Or Vegeta not only dying by Frieza's hands a second time, but also repeating that moment where Goku steals the kill.
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I wasn't too upset, he had a decent game plan, but he underestimated Hit's attack power and payed for it. He didn't stand a chance without a trump card though, hopefully they make rage vegeta his go to power up to match Goku's kaioken.

Best episode so far too.
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>>140314786
Favorite Vegeta jobbing moment would have to be where he becomes an hero and suicide bombs Buu... only for it to accomplish absolutely nothing.
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>Super Saiyan is a x50 boost
>Oozaru is a x10 boost
>Super Saiyan 4 is controlled Super Saiyan Oozaru, which would mean x500 boost
>(Regular) Super Saiyan Kaioken x10 would be a x500 boost
>Bluper Saiyan is stronger than 3 (a x400 boost) by a significant margin
>Goku goes Bluper Kaioken x10
This is the strongest Goku's ever been, Super Saiyan 4 couldn't even hope to compare to this power, and 4 could never use the Kaioken for reasons just explained this episode.

And he's only going to get stronger.
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I'm jealous how easily you fags are entertained.
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>>140306610
please kill both champa and beerus already , both are shitty characters.
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>>140315335
No they aren't. They're the best.
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>>140315222
>And he's only going to get stronger.
But will he ever be MAXIMUM?
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>so much energy that he isn't affected by any opponents abilities anymore
Reminds me of this glorious bastard
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>>140315403
I can't wait until Heroes runs out of forms to give Broly and resorts to giving his regular non-MAXIMUM form every Super Saiyan level.
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>>140315524
>Years later
>Legendary Broly has every form
>Regular Broly has every form
>They create a female Broly to give forms to and milk Broly even further
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>>140307605
Does this mean it will take 6 lasers to kill him now?
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>>140315682
>They create a female Broly to give forms to and milk Broly even further
>Kakarot~
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>>140315298
>/a/
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>>140315734
Like, at least 10.
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>>140315764
>Mind-controlled female Broly
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>>140315524
>SSJGSSJ 4 Broly
>Absorbed by Cell
>SSJGSSJ 4 Cell
>Absorbs Frieza
>SSJGSSJ 4 Golden Cell
>Absorbs Beerus and Champa
>SSJGSSJ 4 Golden God of Destruction Cell
>Learns Kaioken
>SSJGSSJ 4 Golden God of Destruction Cell x (ridiculous number)
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Can someone explain to me how this time-skip works? I feel like I'm the only idiot who doesn't understand it, but it just sounds like total hogwash to me.

So Hit freezes time basically right? It even showed it in this episode, goku was frozen still and Hit is moving toward him.
Can't Hit just punch Goku while time is frozen? How the hell do you counter that?
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>>140316256
It just works
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>>140316256
Originally Hit could only freeze time for the briefest of moments, not enough time to hit someone that much without that time limit. Which is why Goku could almost counter it early on.

Hit further increased his power so it couldn't be countered like that

So Goku sped himself up using Kaioken so he could move so fast that he could move even when time was stopped, thus moving faster than time.
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>>140316387
That just sounds like pure nonsense to me.
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>>140316591
Everything that happens in the time that is skipped still happens, which is what allows Goku to counter Hit's attacks simply by guessing what Hit is going to do 0.1 seconds later.

That's as simple of an explanation as I can think of.
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>>140309710
nope see superman has this thing called "heat vision" aka eye lasers and goku is super weak to lasers
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>>140315222
Goku states in GT that Super Baby Vegeta 2 is as strong as him in SSJ3. He can't use all his power because of his body though. Baby later turns into an Oozaru so he becomes 10 times stronger. Goku as a SSJ4 is as strong as him.

Goku 1
Goku SSJ 50
Goku SSJ2 100
Goku SSJ3 (limited) 200
Goku SSJ3 (full) 400
S Baby Vegeta 2 400
Golden Oozaru 4,000
Goku SSJ4 4,000

I don't see why he couldn't use Kaioken as a SSJ4. Now that we know that Kaioken can be stacked with a Super Saiyan transformation that has no strain and SSJ4 is a transformation that can be used for hours with no strain whatsoever
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>>140317152
>Everything that happens in the time that is skipped still happens
Right. So why can't he punch Goku while time is frozen?
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>>140317359
Adding to what I just wrote:
In this episode doesn't it actually even _show_ hit punching Goku while time is frozen?

So we know he can do it. So how can Goku counter getting punched while time is frozen? It makes no sense.
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>>140315062
is vegeta king job of jobber land or is there someone who jobs harder? this isn't limited to dbz
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>>140316100
>SSJGSSJ 4 Golden God of Destruction Cell x (ridiculous number)
>absorb vegeta
>jobs
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>>140317293
It isn't just strain, it's attitude. Blue is calm and doesn't cause him to literally shatter glass just by looking it. Super Saiyan is still too much an angered state, even in Full Power; that's why he didn't use it against Cell. 4 is the same old monkey rage, now with added magic pants.
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>>140306610
>Puts hand in pocket
>Freezes time
>nothing personal kid
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>>140317359
>>140317391
Time isn't just flat-out frozen, it still continues as normal. I guess it would be accurate to say Hit exists outside of time in some sense for those 0.1 seconds (disappearing completely for everyone else), which I guess isn't long enough for Hit to do more than one punch/kick.

When he increases his limit to 0.5 seconds, it becomes long enough for Hit to unleash an entire combo and ends up being too much for Goku to be able to guess what he'll do in that time.
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>>140317619
>I guess it would be accurate to say Hit exists outside of time in some sense for those 0.1 seconds
Dude what?
Can goku move during that 0.1s or not? If not, then that's time freezing (last episode literally said it was time freezing, and this episode actually showed goku frozen in time)

On the other hand, if Goku can still move during that 0.1s then Hit's ability is literally nothing. Which is it?
Unless you're saying he can phase out of existence for 0.1s or something, but that's an _entirely different_ thing altogether.
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Which sub group do you watch super with?

Who is pic related?
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>>140317561
4 is the opposite of monkey rage you can only get it by being calm
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Why do people think this series is entertaining anymore? For fucks sake, they've already surpassed galaxy-levels of firepower, it's not even impressive or good anymore, it's just power wanking.
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>>140318168
>Literally breaks glass by looking at it
>Gruff, angry voice by in Granny Goku
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Summon the dragon balls and make everyone in the universe the same power level of weakness and then you have to train all over again from scratch.
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>>140318325
For someone who's complaining about power wanking, you're doing some power wanking yourself.
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>>140318146
I thought that little text animation was actually in the raw.
Not sure though.
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>>140311170
I used to think this but actually you just need to be able to interface and control God Level Ki within you. Vegeta was able to sense God Ki while training with Whis. Vegeta also could interface with God Ki inside Whis' staff dimension.
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Why the fuck isn't Champa shitting his pants right now? Hit is clearly as strong as him, and can also do fucking time hax.
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>>140319112
Last time we've seen Champa fight (probably) seriously, he and Beerus almost annihilated the universe. I think Hit isn't as strong as him faam.
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>be SSB
>planet explodes from an attack by a much weaker opponent
>dies too
I don't know why you people think Goku stands a chance against Superman
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So I dont understand Hits powerlevel at all? He seems to be taking punches from SSJ Blue Kaioken x 10 and and shrugging them off yet he is nowhere near as fast as Goku even with his time leap? Is he just naturally slow with Massive Strength and Endurance and only ever relied on time skip to be fast?
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>>140307605
>>140307917
Jesus fucking christ I don't know if this is bait or what.

It's literally been said in Super that Goku and Vegeta are a little tree and Beerus is a castle.

Stop quoting movie shit. Nobody cares.

>>140308001
Goku himself says in Super that it's stronger than SSJG.
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>>140308680
>Hell the fact that Magetta was trading blows with SS Vegeta probably puts him above SP Cell.

>The fact that Mageta was trading blows with SSJ Vegeta that's equal to SSG puts him above SP Cell

No shit nigger. Are you some sort of genius?
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>>140309732
>Frost was maybe stronger than Frieza on namek but not by much

Frost was stronger than Final form frieza from RoF arc.

Frieza fought base Goku on par with his final form, Frost did the same with his 3rd form.
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>>140313601

Why not Bluyoken?
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>>140320920
Only explanation I can come up with is that Goku can easily take out Hit in a single hit but he is holding back his power on his punches because his only goal was to be faster than Hits time skip and now he wants to prolong the fight and see hit improve
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via Herms:

Beerus and Champa start fighting because of something Goku says. Hit can't use full power cause he can't kill. Goku's SSKaioken runs out and leaves him paralyzed. Piccolo bitches about this but goes toward him for some reason.
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>>140317488
And then Buu absorbs Cell.
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>>140307605
>>140308077
>this stupid ass meme

Fuck off, Tory just said last week he has no plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus.
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>>140318146
If it isn't in the raw, that was Pafusubs
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>>140318146
Pafu

That was pretty nice
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Can't believe no one's posted this yet:
http://www.shencomics.com/archives/1642494
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>>140321734
>Goku gets a new power up and still loses

Toriyama, it was cool the first time you did it but if you just do it again it's stale.
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>>140321734

Stop spoilering the anime dumbass.
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>>140321734
We already know U7 wins from the episode descriptions.
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The new chapter of the manga is here.

http://www.shencomics.com/archives/1642494
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>Piccolo kisses Hit
>Hit blushes
>Piccolo gives Hit the BGC
>Beerus and Champa kill both of them for being faggots
>Future Trunks shows up to make a report of their microaggressions and bigotry towards alien faggots of color
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>>140307605
Frogposter, pls.
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>>140322566
Oh really? You don't say?

>>140322165
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>>140322165
>>140322566
>implying anyone cares now that it's behind the anime
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>>140322642
I care. It's some times better than the anime.
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>>140322642
i do
the fighting scenes are done better than the anime
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>>140317798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33kAMeHVzBA
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>>140322165
>>140322566
So how much does Magetta weigh? 1000 ching chongs?
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>>140321734
To be fair, Goku isn't allowed to kill Hit either.
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>>140323003
The implication is that Hit isn't using his full power, while Goku is amplifying his.
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>>140321734
>the butthurt of Gokufags when Goku jobs again
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>>140323140
>losing = jobbing
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>>140306610
that cabba vs vegeta episode made me feel that toriyama still has some heart and soul left in him, and the callback to kaioken floored me still pissed about launch though.

wait, does this mean when goku goes ssb then kaioken his hair turns purple? cant wait for my daily dose
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>>140323236
>does this mean his hair turns purple?
You already know it doesn't, anon. Why ask?
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What I think happens.

>Goku loses because kaioken runs out hit says goku is the strongest person he ever faced and that he wants goku to travel with him across universes with the cube after hit wins. Vegeta gets cucked as one of the mains and get replaced with hit.
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>>140313627
He knows them in the same sense you know of starving African children. He doesn't give a shit about them because they're powerless scum compared to him. Why would he bother to learn anything from them?
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>>140323320
it hurts that it isnt ;_;
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>>140323348
Either way, we'll definitely be seeing more of Hit, at least until Goku surpasses him. That's how DB has always worked.
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>>140323236
>wait, does this mean when goku goes ssb then kaioken his hair turns purple?

Well Goku said it was still incomplete...there's still hope for a complete version that mixes both auras instead of adding one over the other.
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>>140323455
That sounds worse though.
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>>140310750
But Death Battles said that DCAU Superman has unlimited strength from that one time the teenage DCAU Superman accidentally almost killed his dad. And DCAU Superman is the weakest Superman.
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I want someone to wreck the shit out beerus so hard.
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>>140323621
It'll happen. A villain will come along that even Whis has no chance against and the situation will seem completely hopeless.
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>>140307605
>Blue is slightly stronger than God.

Wrong.
And it was already said Beerus is stronger than Goku and Toriyama wants it to stay that way.
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>>140323745
*for the time being.
Let's not forget how Toriyama writes though.

And I'm pretty sure Blue WAS stated to be stronger.
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>>140323608
Death battle gave superman gokus moves
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>>140323621
Don't hold your breath.

>>140323743
>>140323795
Toryiama said "I HAVE NO PLANS", not "not now, maybe in the future".
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Look at this shit

https://youtu.be/pZxurOhmycU?t=40

Now look at this

https://youtu.be/L0D0VGomWb4?t=535

THEY GAVE SUPERMAN GOKU'S FIGHTING SKILLS

BIASSS AS FUCKKED
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>>140323883
Maybe Toriyama didn't want to spoil the entire plot in an interview. If you want to take him as 100% literal and iron-clad about the future, that's your prerogative, but I know him as a man who has written fast and loose and has freely contradicted interview statements many times in the past. Kanzenshuu is full of old interviews with similar statements.
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>>140323934
Are you a child
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>>140324131
No amount of delusion will change that Goku surpassing Beerus is about as likely as Goku defeating Vegeta.
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>>140323883
Toriyama specifically said he has no plans for Goku or Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis. Doesn't mean they will never be surpassed at all.
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>>140324263
...so it's 100% going to happen?
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>>140324168
yes
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>>140309180
I agree with this guy I'm afraid.
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>>140323348

There is no way Hit is coming back after this. Use your brain. Hit never needed to improve because he was already extremely power and now has improved twice in a short amount of time.

He will thank Goku for the fight and continue to improve. Hit served his purpose as a plot device to reach this new level by Goku. Why would an assassin want to train and get stronger when he is stronger than 99.9999% of the universe.
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>>140325754
It seems he likes improving. He's kinda like the Goku of that universe, only edgy and serious.
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>>140326018

But training with Goku or travelling with him serve no purpose to the story. Two of the strongest non gods in the show pairing up will just make the power creep already larger than it is. No what needs to happen is after the tournament, Hit and Goku thank each other for helping each other reach new limits, Vegeta trains Cabba and they get the super dragon balls. Done. No need for Hit and Cabba to tag along with the gang.
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>>140321734
Soo.... goku wins yes or nah?
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What's going to be the next arc after this finishes soon?
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>>140326794
planet salad
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>>140326794
Either a tour of Universe 6 or Future Trunks come back to start a completely new arc
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>>140311814
>Kaio-Ken!
>Kaio-what?
>Kaio-ken x10!!
>times what?
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>>140327430

It will be so glorious when TFS dub this episode.

In 2060
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>>140328384
I seriously wonder if they'll dub this far in general. I mean after Z.
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>>140307605
You know what's really retard? The fact that they went with 10x Kaioken instead of just a regular Kaioken with SSB. Making Goku 10x stronger is really retard, especially if fucking Hit stays even with him.
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>>140328463
P sure they said it was doone after Cell saga
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>>140329603
They said though that they are already writing things for the Majin Buu saga. Also finding voices for the characters.
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>>140306610
>job
What with retards spamming and misusing this word?

Also keep to one thread
>>140322099
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>>140329832
>Keep to one thread
>Posts a "muh /a/co/ thread with less answers / images / posters
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>>140329832
>keep to one thread
This thread is 8 hours older than your shitfest.
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>>140308151
Yeah he did all that in order to job to HIt and show as how strong he is
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>>140318146

Always Dragon Team because I'm not retarded.
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>>140308484
Meanwhile Gohanfags still cling to the possibility of their husbando might become the MC again.
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The next 10 posts quoting this post will be the storyline of a Dragon Ball Super episode that I will draw in MSpaint using my left hand and a mouse.
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>>140324375
>delusional
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>>140318146
That's Pafu and it 100% wasn't in raw because I watched a super fast translated version before Pafu was out and it was missing.

I just go with Pafu because it's relatively accurate and comes out quickly.
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>>140321974
>toriyama
>planning anything ever

top meme
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>>140328463
They need to do GT, it would be way funnier
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>>140306610

Meanwhile Goku

>If I get hit with a few more attacks I AM DEFEATED FOR SURE
>gets hit 20-30 times
>lol jk im fine
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Turns out Kaioken is the strongest powerup in the entire series, but it could never be fully utilized because it fucks up the body too much no matter what. So you can only activate it for like a second at a time before this.

Now he can finally activate it for long periods of time as a full power up, to overlayer his other transformations. SSB + Kaioken is a combination where both power ups balance each other out to be possible at the same time with a new result.
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>>140306610
>it's almost Tuesday
>still no sub
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>>140307605
>power levels

??
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>>140338156
This must mean Emperor Pilaf is around 60 Quintilian.
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>>140312584
There was FTL in DB for fucks sake
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>>140338156
>Power Levels past Namek
>Power Levels ever
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>>140338156
If piccolo was so close to nappa why he was getting raped so bad?
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>>140315298
I feel you. All these years i've been thinking of how retarded, dull, repetitive and increasingly ass-pulling DB has become after freezer, and yet here we are, i watch these threads and i am baffled.

This shit is terrible, and its been going on for DECADES. How can you seriously enjoy and discuss this?

Please know that i am jealous of all you guys. For fucking real.
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>>140339818
Because Beerus a qt, Whis is kawaii and their interactions with anyone are worth watching any anime for.
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http://www.shencomics.com/archives/1642494

Manga is giving other universe guys more of a showing, more fun.

Although the characters give off very different feelings and use very different strategies compared to the anime at times. Manga is trying to be its own thing entirely, clearly different from the anime.
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>>140340512
Does it still continue to be a dis-joined thing?
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>>140340705
Just read the thing, its only like eight chapters at this point.
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>>140338156
that picture is bullshit
king cold 100% final form would have been twice as strong as cell if we follow freezers transformation line
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>>140323223
Tell that to the people who still saying Vegeta is a jobber because that
Veggie isnt a jobber
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>>140322165
>Frost wasnt one punched by Vegeta
How boring
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>>140341710
goku apparently told him to use the same tactic he used on botamo
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>>140342149
He also wasn't "Mwahaha so evil" in the manga version

He wasn't buying and selling planets and starting wars.

He was just a guy who tried to use cheap tricks in the tournament
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>>140342610
>He also wasn't "Mwahaha so evil" in the manga version
And Champa doesn't pull any cheap shit with the Magetta fight like that barrier.
Makes me wonder why the anime staff are going out of their way to make the U6 team so dickish and evil if Toriyama's plot outline doesn't require it.
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>>140342610
Way better than the anime actually
>>140342149
Fuck you Animefag that scene was terrible and a lazy way to beat Frost
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>>140307605
He is not stronger than Beerus.

but he is stronger than SS4
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>>140338061
You arent trying find enough
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>>140309427
I just wonder how he will do that.
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>>140315734

Why is technology so overpowered?
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>>140321040
>Super that Goku and Vegeta are a little tree and Beerus is a castle.
Explain
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>>140346827
I think Whis said that on RoF.
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>>140346500
Because it's good, just look at Frieza's medics, they have such great healing machines.
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>>140321734
So I'm guessing the previous spoilers for episode 40 are fake? Looks like Champa and Beerus fight over to allow killing in the match that Goku proposed since he wants to fight Hit at his full power.
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>>140306610
>Hit beats him with no effort
How is that allowed?
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>>140349235
he was a guinea pig for his OP ability.
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>>140319402
Hit could destroy the universe since hes actually stronger than the SSJG Goku whos fucking punch shockwaves quaked the entire universe.
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>>140351211
>fucking punch shockwaves quaked the entire universe.
i really hate this meme they put in the show. There's literally absolutely zero consequence ever since they mentioned aftershocks rippling and potentially destroying the Universe ever since.
Seems like they just completely dropped it because they don't want to deal with the drama of destroying universes by simple punches anymore.
It really confused a lot of viewers if Blue is really stronger than Red.
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>>140351318
What anon? Stars were being ripped apart and the entire universe was almost gone if Beerus hadnt erased that big bang level energy clash between him and Goku.
Blue is stronger than Red btw, Base Goku is a state called Saiyan Beyond God and stronger than SSJG Red btw.
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>>140341710
Got a link anon?
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>>140351603
>>140322165
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>>140306610
>muh sayian pride

What sayian pride exactly? First he was Frieza lapdog after that he is get cucked by every single villain has appeared
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>>140351476
That energy clash was being caused because Goku couldn't nullify Beerus' punches. Goku literally adapts after 2 punches and you no longer see those ripples.
It was a thing for all of 5 minutes, they have since shown that those universe destroying punches no longer exist due to Goku (and to some extent Vegeta) having learned how to control and fight with their new God ki
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>>140351476
>Base Goku is a state called Saiyan Beyond God and stronger than SSJG Red btw.
source
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>>140351985
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Saiyan_beyond_God
>>140351937
No the final energy clash would have destroyed the universe.
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>>140352163
where does it state that it's stronger than Red?
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>>140352163
The first 2 clashes sent out ripples, on the 3rd and every subsequent clash the punches are nullified.
The actual punches stopped reverberating across the universe after the 2nd punch. Since you're using the shithole that is dbwiki I shall quote from there myself.
>Beerus then fires Goku an atomic like energy move so Goku counters with a Kamehameha. After moments of the collision struggle, a beam of light occurs throughout the universe. The beam the two created made a ki ball.

Beerus is able to hold his own in the collision. The collision is causing disasters on Earth and rifts throughout the universe again. This collision eventually explodes afterwards. Beerus claims that he nullified the energy and used up 100% of his power to do so.
This is the shit you are referring to, not the actual punches but the ki blasts.
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>>140352478
Notice Goku never uses Red anymore? Because his base is now stronger than Red, Super saiyan god Blue is just a Red with SSJ power multiplier basically.

Hit is hax as fuck if he can actually casually increase his base power in a couple of seconds.
>>140352609
Right
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>>140352609
>tfw you forget to put the second line of greentext
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>>140352659
that's pure speculation, for all we know Red is purely a limited ritual form. I asked for source not headcanon.
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Looks like Goku's losing this fight if the previews aren't lying
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>>140352659
Red is not a permanent transformation iirc, it is a one time thing that enabled Goku to absorb the God Ki and then infused that Ki with his SSJ which created SSJB
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>>140352659
>Hit is hax as fuck if he can actually casually increase his base power in a couple of seconds.
Hit didn't increase his base power you idiot he became stronger only by improving his Tokitobashi.
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>>140352755
According to Goku the faggot actually got stronger as well as increasing the time limit of his time leap.
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>>140351760
He isn't 100% sure. Vegeta is a man not sure what he's fighting for. Why do you think he always jobs?
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>>140353970
unless someone hits bulma
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>>140347045

That's movie shit, wtf
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>>140307605
Increased Power Level doesn't help him with his martial arts

Also Whis seems to think that Beerus should still be able to win so odds are Toriyama did not intend for it to be THAT strong
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>>140354518
So Saiyan pride is being the only one who can beat your wife. Glad we cleared that up.
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>>140355014
when has he beat his wife
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>>140355014
Saiyan pride is good anon, that's the reason why Vegeta is what he is right now.
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So either
>Hit becomes too strong for his body and his heart gives out against Monaka while Monaka just stands there
>Goku accidentally kills Hit and is disqualified, so U7 wins since they still have one fighter in reserve
>Double KO
PLACE YER BETS
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>>140357638
Of those 3 the most likely is double KO I think.

But I doubt that'll happen. Probably Goku will just win by pulling something out of his ass.
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>>140338156
Mr. Popo is almost as strong as Radditz
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>>140342799
>that scene was terrible
>Implying that wasn't the reason why i posted that
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>>140355061
He beat that pussy hard and fast. So hard. Yamcha still cries about it.
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>>140357638
Both ring out.
>>140358877
>mfw Kami allowed King Piccolo kill humans and destroy towns when he had Popo to give a slap on K.Piccolo's face for him
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>>140320883
They can't breath in outer space for long, They can tank Universe Busting punches however.
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Who is your favorite DBZ franchise composer?

http://strawpoll.me/7414165
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>>140360214
Oh also before anyone says something like "Hurr durr Superman can just grab Goku and choke him in outer space :^)" bare in mind that Goku could just Instant Transmission back to Earth or some other habitable planet.
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>>140310728

>2 people

SUCH A MEME WOW
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>>140309710
Golden Superman did literally nothing ever
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>>140360234
Bruce Faulconer
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That episode was great
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>>140362203
No it wasnt
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For the record, I was glad Kaioken was gone. It was fine when it was just a x2 boost, but when that multiplier started changing, it went to shit. If it had been used in DBZ, it would have just been power-level-style bullshit to the max, even more than SSJ.
>Kaioken x10 isn't enough! It's fine, because I can actually push myself to Kaioken x20!
>Kaioken x20 isn't enough! It's fine, because I can actually push myself to Kaioken x50!
Literally "Goku shouts any number he wants to for an instant reversal: the skill". Say what you want about the various SSJ levels, at least he had to train for them (and they came with a new appearance each time). Kaioken x<multiplier> is just an asspull technique, and that's exactly what it's going to be in Super.
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>>140364462
but it used to hurt him, abilities that have a negative consequence are more interesting than a no weakness hax.
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>>140364462
>I haven't read the manga or watched the show: the post
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>>140364534
At a certain level of abstraction (like x10) it loses all meaning. From a story-telling perspective, there's no difference in the energy drain from x10 and x1000 - they both make Goku "tired". If he needs a bigger number, he's got it, so he's never out of higher power levels until he's stone-cold on the ground. That's the real problem with it - it can't be overcome because it's just a number, and if he needs a bigger number, he has it. Sure, there's an in-universe explanation for why he wouldn't want to go x100000, but Toriyama can and will play fast and loose with the downsides.
It's kind of appropriate that he started using it again against Hit, another character who can power up seemingly on a whim without effort or training.
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