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What the fuck am I even watching at this point?
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Still better than IBO.
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>>139883882
A serie that nobody finished.
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>>139883938
That's like saying drinking diarrhea is better than eating it smeared on a sandwich.
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>>139883938
This is what G-Rektards believe. Too bad that no one else agrees.
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>>139883938
Nah.
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enjoy the nice character design
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>Zeta Gundam has multiple factions, Tomino dialogue, and begins as events are happening without immediately explaining everything
>Loved by pretty much everyone

>G-Reco is the same old same old
>Hurr durr whats going on nothing makes sense A/Z is so much better
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>>139884164
what are you talking about people criticize zeta quite a lot it was just mahq fags who were sperging on it.

King Gainer>>>G-RECO
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>>139884164
It's almost as if one was good and the other was bad despite sharing some things in common.
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>>139884164
Zeta had good pacing and actually made sense
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Finish the show and you will still not get it. But then read the Urobuchi review you will understand.

http://00tn2.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/urobuchi-gen-on-reconguista-of-g.html
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The main problem was that they tried to make artificial ''old school'' anime, and ended with the characters acting retarded all the time.
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>>139884269
>Zeta had good pacing

I like Zeta but, I mean come on you have to be ironic or something.
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>>139884329
Tell me how it doesn't.
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>>139884321
And yet /a/ likes Kabaneri
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Can we at least agree that Reco is the worst and less enjoyable Tomino Gundam?
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>>139884391
Wait, what did I just quote?
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>>139884276
>But then read the Urobuchi review you will understand.

You know what il rather sit through all of G-Reco then read a article by the man who had anything do with aldnoah zero
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Is G-Reco the perfect retard filter?
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>>139884411
No because Victory Gundam and ZZ exists
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>>139884321
>G-Reco
>Characters pretty much never do anything retarded


>Zeta Gundam
>In the first episode alone MC attacks a man, gets thrown in prison, is released, attacks a man again, gets thrown back in prison
>She then steals a Gundam and attempts to murder someone
>Characters sortie without orders every episode
>Gundams are stolen 20 times in the first 5 episodes
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>>139884396
The character designs are the only thing.
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>>139883938
This
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>>139883938
That's not saying much. Hell being better than TRY AGE, 00S2, SEED, and SEED Destiny doesn't mean much of anything.
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>>139884530
>>G-Reco
>>Characters pretty much never do anything retarded
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>>139884530
>She
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFk26inaprE
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>>139884530
>Characters pretty much never do anything retarded
what.
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>>139884530
>she
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>>139884659
I miss the good old days of anime, back when MCs were MEN who didn't take shit from anybody.
How did it all go so wrong?
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>>139884411
There's no such thing as an unenjoyable Tomino Gundam
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>>139884231
Came here to post this. Thanks.
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>>139884588
00S2 doesn't belong there. It was a disappointment and did some pretty stupid things but it's not Age/Destiny/G-Reco tier.
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>>139884530
That was great, >>139884659
autist girl playing with her fish wasn' t.
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>>139884779
What was the fish name again?
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>>139883882
The product of the mind of a madman.
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>>139884754
>before: manchildren
>after: whiny emos
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>>139884774
00fags sure are delusional
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>>139884774
00 Season 2 ended up being mediocre because japs are idiot

>Season 1 was not like every other Gundam show I ever watched up till this how dare they be a A.U and stray from our tropes

I kid you not this was criticism from the jap viewers.
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>>139884771
But there clearly is. G-Reco stands as testament
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>>139883882
Are you even trying to pay attention?
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>>139885070
>G-Reco stands as testament
A testament that retards shouldnt watch mecha anime. Sadly that doesn't seem to be stopping.
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>>139884754
I like how Casshern is not even from a mecha franchise.
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>>139884321

That's just Tomino making what he's always made. You just need to get on the same wavelength as his madness to enjoy it.
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>>139885283
>Androids aren't mechs
?
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>>139884466
Yessir
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>>139883882
not even tomino knew after episode 12 where to go
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>>139883938
your mom is better than Ibo, grekt was just shit
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>>139884164
Zeta wasn't released in 2015, os it can be excused. Grekt is just shit
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I dunno, I liked g-reco's approach to worldbuilding. Infodumps are the bane of too many. Although it was kinda hard to follow why the fuck all those people do what they do sometimes.
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>>139885438
>>139885524
No need to samefag
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>>139884164
People who shit on G-Reco are casuals who have seen very few mecha. These people haven't seen many, if any, Tomino anime so they got something completely unexpected. Anyone who has seen at least five different Tomino TV anime would have known what they're getting into.
Zeta is an old cult classic most people like, so these casuals aren't going to go against the status quo and claim it's shit. They might actually even believe that they like it, simply because they're expected to like it and they have easily impressionable minds. If Zeta was made today and didn't have the reputation it has, they would shit on it just as much as they shat on G-Reco.
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>>139885637
Found the retard
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>>139885804
>my cancerous tripfag can't be this delusional
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>>139885804

Zeta ANT is legitimately a piece of shit though and Sunrise should be ashamed of themselves.
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>>139885804
I mean, it's still kind of a mess due to it's length dude, there's no doubt about that.

The awkward dialouge is just Tomino being Tomino though.
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>>139885804
fuck off tripfag
I have seen every Tomino Gundam and Odepm, and Greco it was by far his second worst anime (ZZ won't ever be topped in that regard)
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>>139886012
Ar least ZZ had characters I cared about, some of them were even great. The Reco cast was so bland and forgettable, I didn't give a shit about any of them.
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>>139885967
Not really and you're just stupid. A/Z and IBO exists for people like you
>>139886012
Cool story bro
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>>139883882
I've seen far too much hentai to not know where this is going.

-Looks like NTR to me OP.
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>>139885591

I found it easy enough to follow until near the end when it seemed like Klim was working with and against every possible faction.
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>>139883882
S T E E R
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>>139885637
I'm sorry, here's something simpler for you.
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>>139886188
Klim only works for himself
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>>139886012
So you didn't mind all the Tomino characters and dialogue in Ideon, Zeta, Victory, and Turn A, but G-Reco was too much for you?
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>>139883882
Eureka 7
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>>139886657
all those anime have really simple and clear story lines, that give characters time to grow and change, while Greco clusterfuck of plot points waste time after time in a contrived plot, that goes on and on withou almost any resolution.
the only character evolution in greco were Lalaya stopped bein a retard (in on episode, just because) and Bellri (maybe) stopped thinking about how to fuck his sister
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>>139886965
>all those anime have really simple and clear story lines, that give characters time to grow and change
>Ideon, Zeta, Victory
/a/ you know is worthless to lie like this against people who have actually watched these shows.
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>>139887094
Not him and I haven't watched Ideon, but how are Zeta and Victory not simple and clear?
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>>139887175
>but how are Zeta and Victory not simple and clear?
Zeta becomes an absolute clusterfuck in the second half and Victory never made sense. G-Reco is incredibly simple and you must be stupid as fuck to say it doesn't make sense.
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>>139887255
>Zeta becomes an absolute clusterfuck in the second half and Victory never made sense.
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>>139887255
>Zeta becomes an absolute clusterfuck in the second half and Victory never made sense.
Why and how? Give me examples. Most people don't seem to have any problem understanding them.
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>>139887382
>Most people don't seem to have any problem understanding them.
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>>139883882
you're watching a once great man have some kind of stroke.
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>>139887338
Great argument
>>139887382
>Most people don't seem to have any problem understanding them.
What? Zeta Gundam's biggest complainst is how every character action makes no fucking sense and how poorly developed the bulk of the cast are, towards the end you are thrown into a huge scale battle with no buildup after Four dies...again and Tomino just says fuck it and starts killing off characters left and right, try actually watching Zeta at some point. Victory is infamously known for Tomino trying to sabotage the production which is why so many details in the plot are hand waved (why is Katejina suddenly evil?) and character s doing more incomprehensible things. You're gonna have to try REAL hard to convince why G-Reco made less sense than either of them.
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>>139883882
The single greatest show created, unfortunately you need to have an iq higher of 100 to enjoy it. It's rare to find that in anime watchers so most people just hate it despite it having

>amazing character progression
>amazing setting
>amazing fight scenes
>amazing plot twists
>amazing everything

The only "flaw" is that it doesn't take half an hour to explain things to retards like yourself
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>>139883938
Ibo got a second season,while this didn't. Get it over already /m/
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>>139883882
I got up to episode 8 and stop watch it.
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>>139887709
But the plot was pretty simple, you had 3 factions in both Zeta and Victory and the 3 were well defined and simplistic. G-Reco was like dozens of different groups of people fighting each other and you barely knew who they were. It was a freaking mess.

Plus the G-Reco characters don't make any sense, so with G-Reco it is the plot and the characters that are nonsensical versus only the characters in Zeta and Victory.
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>>139887709
>every character action makes no fucking sense
they make sense, reason it's just retarded. expecially Reccoa
>Tomino just says fuck it and starts killing off characters left and right
Like in any other series
>Victory is infamously known for Tomino trying to sabotage the production
source: your ass
>why is Katejina suddenly evil?
dick power

>You're gonna have to try REAL hard to convince *me why G-Reco made less sense than either of them

>I want to fuck this red head girl, after killing his BF
>Let's pretend to be a spy for some reason, or just to be a pirate: pirates are cool
>let's kill former friends and people from same country, nothing bad will happen
>now we have to stop war with the moon?
>Damn, I can't fuck my sister I have never know since what, 3 weeks ago?
>Rebels on the moon? Who cares what happens to them, even if they were friends of my real parents
>we are going to Venus, for some reason; following super secret peace keeper ship, while being pirates
>what is diplomacy when everybody want to kill us ? let's kill them instead
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>>139888184
>But the plot was pretty simple
Not really.
>you had 3 factions in both Zeta and Victory and the 3 were well defined and simplistic
Kek. Only the Titans had any sort of development, the AEUG stops being relevant after a while and Neo Zeon shows up out of nowhere to do nothing. Victory never actually explains what the Zanscare wants to do and their actions don't make much sense either, the EF is pretty much non-existent as well.

> G-Reco was like dozens of different groups
The Capital Guard, The Townsnagans and Aida's Group. WOW WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK! THIS IS SO HARD

>Plus the G-Reco characters don't make any sense
Why?

>>139888411
I love how your refute none of my points

>I want to fuck this red head girl, after killing his BF
Did you even watch the show?
>Let's pretend to be a spy for some reason, or just to be a pirate: pirates are cool
He was given a mission by the Capital Guard to spy on the pirates, why do you think in the previous episode he tells him to come to his office?

>let's kill former friends and people from same country, nothing bad will happen
He never actually tries to kill them, in episode 4 he's in fact trying to give up.
>now we have to stop war with the moon?
>Damn, I can't fuck my sister I have never know since what, 3 weeks ago?
You didn't even try to pay attention did you? Not even for shitposting purposes.
>we are going to Venus, for some reason; following super secret peace keeper ship, while being pirates
Venus Globe was mentioned in the first fucking episode, and they're the crux of the entire conflict since they make the batteries that people are fighting for
>what is diplomacy when everybody want to kill us ? let's kill them instead
I guess you're just pretending

So I guess score is

G-Reco fags - 1
G-reco detractors - 0

>Rebels on the moon? Who cares what happens to them, even if they were friends of my real parents
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>>139884754
>talking shit about Casshern
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>>139887825
SEED was fifty episodes long and is the sixth best selling TV anime of this millennium. Its sequel, SEED Destiny, also got fifty episodes, and is the third best selling TV anime of this millennium. Both of them outsold IBO (per volume) by more than five to one.
Would you agree that SEED and SEED Destiny are both superior to IBO?
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>>139888919
Seed yes, Destiny no

But geing both 50 ep long, better at least wait the end of second cour to see where it will go
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>>139883882
The worst thing Tomino has ever done and right up there with AGE and SEED Destiny as one worst entries in the franchise.

And I'm sure that, with the exception of the retards over at /m/, everyone will agree.
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>>139889099
>And I'm sure that, with the exception of the retards over at /m/, everyone will agree.
Nah just the retards which is why its hated on MAL, reddit and ANN.
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>>139888745
>Not really
Titans are bad guys, Aeug are good guys
Zascare are the bad guys, Earth are good guys

>The Capital Guard, The Townsnagans and Aida's Group
And the pope, and that other group Bellri was part of, and Not Usa, and Klim crew, and rebeles on the moon, and people from Venus, and people from europe, and whatever was the deal with superskinny guy
>He was given a mission by the Capital Guard to spy on the pirates
by breaking them out of jail when enemy attacked?
>Did you even watch the show?
Did you?
>He never actually tries to kill them, in episode 4 he's in fact trying to give up
He still killed Kuntalas
>Venus Globe was mentioned in the first fucking episode, and they're the crux of the entire conflict since they make the batteries that people are fighting for
and this is way we will send a pirate ship

>I guess you're just pretending
et tu?
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>>139886298
YESH SAH
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>>139889030
What do you mean "no"? It's the third best selling anime of this millennium. IBO is going to average like 10k. How can Destiny not be a better anime than IBO?
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>>139889669
by having shinn asuka as mc for too many episodes
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>>139889395
And you're vastly simplifying it.

>And the pope,
He's a character not a fraction
> and that other group Bellri
That's the Capital Guard'
>and Not Usa, and Klim crew
Aida's Group
>and rebeles on the moon
There are no rebels on the moon, pay attention to the fucking story.
>and people from Venus, and people from europe, and whatever was the deal with superskinny guy
Wow...you really didn't pay attention at all
>by breaking them out of jail when enemy attacked?
>breaking
The enemy was attacking and her cell was already destroyed
>He still killed Kuntalas
And? Those people weren't on his side
>and this is way we will send a pirate ship
Just stop...you're just too much of a joke at this point.
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>>139889815
>just stop...you're just too much of a joke at this point.

thanks, so i can go to sleep now. gn
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>>139888919
Ibo is just a mediocre to bad show that /m/ hates because it had a better reception than Greco

Greco is a mediocre show that /m/ loves because it was made by Tomino. If it was done by ANYONE else it would be rated worst than SEED
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>>139889669
Destiny the best Gundam confirmed
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>>139886012
The only really bad part of ZZ was the first 14 episodes. Once they leave moon moon it was great.
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>>139890091
>Ibo is just a mediocre to bad show that /m/ hates because it had a better reception than Greco
Gundam SEED Destiny has a better reception than IBO
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>>139890091
Nah IBO is shit and its liked by plebs and retards for no particular reason.

> If it was done by ANYONE else it would be rated worst than SEED
G-Reco would exist if Tomino didn't do it. And considering how fucking ZZ and Victory gets better reception from /m/ than SEED I highly doubt that.
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>>139890287
>would
*wouldn't
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>>139890287
>And considering how fucking ZZ and Victory gets better reception from /m/ than SEED I highly doubt that.

But both those series are made by Tomino as well.
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>>139890442
And?
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My buyfag friend kept bugging me to watch muh gundam, so I watched the movie and it was a huge pile of shit. What do you even like about this series
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>>139883938
this desu senpai

it's still shit but at least it had entertaining battles and mobile suits every episode

the 10-11 straight episodes of babbies first political revolution in the middle of IBO were mindbogglingly boring
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>>139890496
And it sort of just reinforces >>139890091 point rather than works against it. He's saying that if Tomino didn't have his name on G-reco /m/ would think even Destiny was better. And then you bring up that two other series with Tomino's name on them are liked more than Destiny is.

I don't get the point you're trying to make with bringing them up when it just goes along with what anon is saying where they like the shows because of Tomino, not the show itself.
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>>139890649
>He's saying that if Tomino didn't have his name on G-reco /m/ would think even Destiny was better
This logic makes no sense because G-Reco wouldn't exist if Tomino wasn't involved in it.
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>>139890649
>even Destiny was better.

Sorry, I meant SEED, although Destiny is usually included with the that.
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>>139890649
Reinforce what? SEED was terrible, G-Reco, ZZ, and Victory problems don't really compare to SEED/Destiny and people don't just like those shows because Tomino made them considering they all get called out for their issues meanwhile you'll be lucky to find someone willing to defend SEED/Destiny writing atrocities.
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>People treating Gundam shows like sports teams
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>>139890703
>This logic makes no sense because G-Reco wouldn't exist if Tomino wasn't involved in it.

Yes, but, here me out now, WHAT IF, by some magical twist of fate, Tomino wasn't involved with G-reco but it still existed in the exact same form as it does now, the only difference being some other random director's name tacked onto it and no indication that Tomino was involved.
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>>139890852
>Tomino wasn't involved with G-reco but it still existed in the exact same form as it does now
That's impossible.
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>>139890091
>Ibo is just a mediocre to bad show that /m/ hates because it had a better reception than Greco
No, IBO is hated because it's, in your own words, "mediocre to bad". AZ sold less than G-Reco and is just as hated as IBO is. It's the casuals/fujos who love IBO who constantly bring up G-Reco and /m/, because they can't accept that other people might not love it as much as they do so they need to blame /m/ as a boogeyman.

>Greco is a mediocre show that /m/ loves because it was made by Tomino. If it was done by ANYONE else it would be rated worst than SEED
If G-Reco was made by anyone else besides Tomino it would not be G-Reco. It's a thoroughly Tomino-esque anime. If it was exactly the same anime but directed by an unknown, mystery director, 99.99% of the people who like Tomino anime would argue to death that it was secretly directed by Tomino.
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g! g!
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>>139890287
>>139890389
>>139890703
>>139890921

Do you not understand how hypothetical situations work?
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>>139883882
Bit more than it chew gundam

Also, forced ending
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>>139891558

Of course it was a forced ending.

The whole point is that it is anti-narrative.

These character's lives are still going on, but the really complicated parts are over, now.
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>>139892020
>the ending was shit but it's okay because it had a reason for it to be shit
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