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Why do shoujo/josei almost always have more developed relationships

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Why do shoujo/josei almost always have more developed relationships than :

>guy walks in on girl changing
>kyaa ecchi
>girl starts lusting after MC's cock
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Men are the most romantic gender but this is tempered by our insatiable lust for nearly every woman in sight

Women are way more cold and realistic about love & romance but they reserve those feelings for the most top tier guy
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>>139824132
>men are the most romantic gender
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>>139823968
probably because theyre targeted toward different demographics?
Also this is bullshit when you say "almost always" because let me remind you that romance is to shoujo what battle is to shounen, theres tons of them and for the most part they all follow the same tropes with a generic plotline.
>average girl nobody really cares about
>suddenly the 2 most popular guys in school get interested in her
>one is a kind, composed, attentive and understanding guy while the other is cool and wild but is always there when it matters
>girl starts getting bullied by the girls at school who are jealous of her
>etc, etc
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>>139824441
strange, most of the generic shoujo that i've read has actually been :

>hot girl is unpopular for no clear reason
>due to circumstances, at least 2 guys become interested in her
>at least one of them will be a prince and the other will be a bad boy type character

One thing they actually get right compared to shounen is that the MC of shoujo is almost always hot which helps to explain why guys are interested in her, while many shounen series have bland, average looking MCs but every girl in the series wants his dick because of ???.

Look at Shirou for an example. Multiple girls lusting for his cock because they saw him jumping and failing? Please. In real life what would have happened is that they would have thought he was an idiot or just ignored him. No girl would fall in love with a girl just because "he failed at jumping a lot of times! that is like, so hard working!".

That just broke suspension of disbelief for me there.
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>>139824738
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>>139825765
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Because girls in moonland don't have the same stigma against impurity that the people who actually buy romcom aimed at guys do.
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>>139824303
We are
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>>139824738
>"Why do you like him?"
>"He's kind."
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>>139826640
No woman will be upset about having a stud for a lover
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>>139823968
This is a nice little series, glad to see it here
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>>139826795
This is scientifically correct
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>>139823968
In a Honna Wakou manga it's
>guy walks in on girl changing
>kyaa ecchi
>girl starts lusting after the MC's best friend's cock
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>>139827073
It'd be nice if the girl didn't remind us she's a slut/ntr'd childhood friend every chapter.

The other couple is way better.
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Shojo/josei shit romance revolves around a rapey guy lussting after a girl or a rapist raping a girl. This is what's called developed™ romance
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>>139823968
you need to read more seinen then.
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>>139823968
Are shoujo romance manga even capable of plots without MISUNDERSTANDINGS and NTR?

I mean at least most shonen harems don't have sluts for MCs
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>>139827420
Just took it as she's an idiot with men.
Agree that the other couple is better,
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>>139824738
Because your average reader can't self insert if the MC is good looking anon
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>>139827497
Hey, some are about an older sister being romantically abusive to her little brother.
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>>139827617
Nevermind, realized how retarded I am
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>>139827617
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That woman is irritating.
Don't ask someone out for drinks if you're gonna act like this, Jesus Christ.
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>>139827654
GOD when she started dating the other guy at the same time I was like no more..

It's bad enough that she blamed her little step-brother for her sexphobia when he was literally being raped by her female classmates on a daily basis while horribly depressed.

>"Eek so filthy, why does he have to bang sluts in our house everyday?"
>as he's crying and his eyes are lifeless.
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>>139824738
Shirou actually takes care about his physique. It's not hard to believe that the girls just think he's hot.
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>>139823968
That was a good read OP. Thanks for sharing.

I want to protect Hiratoka's smile.
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>>139828028
His face is pizza and so is his hair. His physique is only fair by western standards too. He's still short and scrawny.

Only good shirou is sandnigger shirou.
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>>139828005
She dumps the other guy because of how messed up her brother was by the whole thing and went back to comforting her brother as Mina.

Give it another shot, up to about halfway through the 5th volume is translated now, the part you're talking about was just the beginning of the 2nd.
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>>139828005
>Dress up as a high schooler for fun
>You brother doesn't recognize you
>Try to honey trap your playboy stepbrother because him banging girls at home everyday made you a germaphobe
>He falls in love for the first time in his entire life
>Breaks off all his relationships for you
>Gets his own apartment just to be with you
>He was never a playboy but just being sexually abused by many different older women

JUST A PRANK BRO
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>>139827654
>>139828189
>>139828005
>It's bad enough that she blamed her little step-brother for her sexphobia when he was literally being raped by her female classmates on a daily basis while horribly depressed.
>"Eek so filthy, why does he have to bang sluts in our house everyday?"
>as he's crying and his eyes are lifeless.

It's basically reverse Oreimo then?
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>>139828345
I don't get it.

Does Kirino get Chad'd into sex by Kyousuke's classmates for years and it causes him to hate her?
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>>139828320
He even takes it slow for her since she doesn't want to have sex with him at first, since unknown to him he is her brother.
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>>139828419
Basically due to misunderstandings in the past and the interfering of others in their relationship, the Oreimo siblings have a close sibling relationship that falls apart and turns into mutual loathing. Of course, the way that the Kyousuke sees what happened is flawed but doesn't know it, similar to Minato misunderstanding what happened to her little brother.
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>>139828588
I can imagine, since his penis is the source of her trauma in the first place. He germaphobia emanates from his dick that has been coated with overlapping pussy juices 100s of times.
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>>139828679
I wish Kirino had been fucked by Chads while Kyousuke had to listen instead of the otaku thing.
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I'd just like to point out that Minato's friend from the Japanese History otaku club is absolutely adorable.
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>>139828782
>>139828588
It was a bit of a progression.

It was funny when she tried to seduce him as just his sister.
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>>139828189
Isn't she still leading this guy on?
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>>139824441
no, its like tetris
girl has a life, its full and shit
shit isn't all that great so she starts changing somehow
meets a guy
the guy is likely an ass but he's exciting
as her life 'fills' up the row something else starts fucking with her, another guy, she loses a job, etc.
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>>139829252
That face the guy in the bottom right panel is making is really throwing me off.
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>>139829252
No, although she feels really bad for him

He found out her secret though
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>>139829281
Did you lose the pic? Here you go.
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>>139823968
Because the trope you described is mainly used in shonen (and some seinen I guess) for fanservice and self insertion, not to actually portray a romantic relationship. It doesn't work in shoujo and josei for obvious reason, but that doesn't mean they never feature any overused trope.
I'm pretty sure there are manga targeted towards men with actual romance, but the only one I've read is Aku no Hana.
Oh yeah, there was also Video Girl Ai, but it was so overly dramatic I have put it on hold.
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>>139829376
>feels bad for him
>knows her secret

imminent guilt/blackmail-rape attempt (or at least a kiss)
imminent muh "I forgive you", let's stay friends.
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>>139829504
Probably.

As far as the translated parts go, the most we see is him just lying to another dude about what his relationship with her is like.
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>>139829367
Smug blondies are a fucking evil shoujo archetype.
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>>139829633
So the playboy dangerous dark-haired brother is actually secretly the sensitive, kind and loving boy
And the sensitive, kind and stable blond boy is actually the evil, bitter and manipulative boy?
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>>139829418
This is the equivalent of shitty battle harems, not all josei manga are like that.
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>>139829738
Add 80 points if he wears fashionable clothes.

That guy from the gif made me so mad. Talk about unnecessary.
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>>139829788
Most smut josei is.
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>>139828189
>Over 1 year since the last chapter translated
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>>139829972
Yeah but that's basically the equivalent of harems
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>>139830064
Except they have sex
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>>139829633
Is this from a Koe no Katachi NTR doujin?
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>>139830714
Yeah. It's amazing and should be canon. Too bad it's untranslated.
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>>139831306
The guy NTRs every female character and turns the cunt girl into a deepthroat masochist.
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>>139829252
I'm usually an incest guy but
when it comes to hurting the megane that is where I draw the line.
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Josei can still be cute sometimes.
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>>139832565
She was in a bad situation, she didn't want to hurt the Otouto.
The Megane was hurt but he can live with it. The Otouto needed her.
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>>139832565
Megane is a dick.
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>>139832638
He's probably better at sex than the other guy too because of all the reverse rape.
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>>139823968
Any of you fucks read Sekine-kun no Koi?

I've got raws of the final volume here, was wondering if anyone might want me to share. Don't intend to ask to get these translated (because I trust Stiletto Heels to get it finished and do a good job of it), but if you've been following Sekine on translations alone you're probably feeling blue balled, right?
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>>139832877
He's basically perfect. How surprising for a Josei male lead.
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>>139823968
Damn she looks good with and without glasses.
Even if the relationship may be more developed, there is just as bad if not worse contrived drama
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>>139823968
>reading shounen
>expecting well developed relationships

Read Seinen
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>>139833169
Too bad onee-chan couldn't protect his smile...
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>>139833324
>reading seinen and expecting relationships to be any better
>Muh I'm a big boy!

How to tell someone doesn't read much manga.
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>>139833359
It isn't too late.
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>>139829142
>It was funny when she tried to seduce him as just his sister.

She's basically trying to NTR herself with herself.
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>>139829376
Wait, they're step siblings right?
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>>139827820
It's cool that she isn't exactly a "cute" geek, but all the same there are moments that I want to hit her.
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BL > any other romance

Prove me wrong.
Pro-tip: You can't.
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>>139834290
Dude, that's gay.
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>>139834197
Josei and Shoujo girls are for punching.
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>>139835271
>girls are for punching
ftfy
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>>139829252
Shitty art. The author just throws whatever will hook the josei fags, open your eyes guys, every Josei is the same.
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>>139836348
>Shitty art
How to tell when people don't read manga besides what shows up on /a/.
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>>139836463
nah that art is pretty awful
I've read over 100 bl and yaoi stories so I'm qualified to say that
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>>139836680
>Only 100
You're basically admitting to the fact that you don't read manga.
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>>139836759
That's 100 BL AND YAOI stories with bottom-of-the-barrel art.
Get your panties out of a twist, doll.
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>>139835435
ah koreans and their love of bitch slapping/rape.
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>>139827191
No, it is not.
Being a man is not a cause of gender, it is a cause of sex.
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>>139836848
The art is acceptable and gets the point across without technical constraints. The main point isn't the art like in shounenshit, and in no way does the artist seem to hit any walls with their skill.

You just don't like their style.
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>>139823968
I fucking love shoujo romance.

Seinen has the most diverse and best romance, though.
Josei is just NTR shit.
Shounen romance can be good if it isn't a battleshounen or harem.
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>>139829923
>Fine
dropped
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>>139837242
90s shoujo romance > all

Back in those days you needed to literally kill god himself to be able to fuck your blood related sister in peace.
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>>139823968
>Josei
you mean shallow
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>>139823968
Do you really think
>hey I'm want to fuck you
>noo ecchi
>yes, and now I'm gonna rape you
>okay I love you now
is more developed? They're both shit, even battle shonen romance has more development than romantic or harem, and that is not okay.
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>>139823968
>shoujo/josei
>developed relationships
Thanks for the laugh, OP.
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>>139838333
Yes? Because they don't stop at the 2nd greentext. By definition it LITERALLY is more developed.
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>>139838641
>in both genres love comes out of nowhere
>but the one I like is more developed

Sure thing bro, it's the same shit just written in a way to appeal girls, it's not more developed.
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>>139838868
look up what developed means
developed =/= deep kiddo
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>>139838641
>Yes?
Are you answering or are you asking us?
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>>139838641
>By definition it LITERALLY is more developed.
that's a really stupid statement
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>>139838868
Love DOES come out of nowhere.
That has nothing to do with how the relationship develops.
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>>139839001
>>139838989
>>139838868
>>139838382
>>139838333
Stop samefagging please. Just make 1 post.
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>>139839046
>posting on 4chan
>thinking he knows anything about love
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>>139838971
You should follow your own advice and look up for that word.
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>>139839114
>advanced or elaborated to a specified degree.

Sex.
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THE GREATEST SERIES NO ONE EVER FINISHED.
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>>139839145
>sex
>advanced or elaborated
what
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>>139839072
stop trying to fit in and accept the fact other people don't sharee your tastes my newfriend.
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>>139839072
>>139839072
>samefagging
Sure think kid, nice way to prove you're a newfag.
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>>139839625
>>139839626
>Posted at the exact same time
>to the second

You're just trying to flaunt whatever proxy extension you're using aren't you?
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>>139839204
advance
verb
past tense: advanced; past participle: advanced
1.
move forward, typically in a purposeful way.


Why can't you learn english?

Or do you believe that sex isn't something that happens as a relationship progresses?
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>>139823968
>more developed
If by that you mean normalfag topics like cheating, NTR, pregnancy, and other types of relationshit drama, then yeah, they're more "developed".

Male oriented romance is more idealistic, since men are generally more romantic and want to see beauty in art rather than worshipping the ugly, like women do.
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>>139839691
Sure thing bro, whatever lets you sleep at night.
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>>139839691
>paying for proxy
Are you stupid?
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Is this all the same person or did /r9k/ers bomb a dead thread that was just talking about different shoujo manga?
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>>139839755
Do you really think that's what makes it more developed?
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>>139839842
Where did you read "paying"?
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>>139839923
I don't understand what you're even saying.

It's like you're implying that when 2 people race, the person who is furthest ahead, isn't really furthest ahead.
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>>139839886
Nah, somebody bumped the thread and other people saw it when it was up, is this your first week here?
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>>139839795
>men are generally more romantic and want to see beauty in art
Stop killing the medium. That's why we have 300 battle harems a season.
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>>139839945
nope, but
>>139839996
>>139839945
is
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>>139839996
You really should work on your reading comprehension.
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>>139840059
Battle harems are aimed at the chuuni audience. The problem with them is not the romance, but the battle-shounen aspect.
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>>139839997
It had been being regularly bumped for every 10 minutes or so and then some dude started complaining about women. Why so defensive?
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>>139823968
Yeah "doormat MC who is in love with some tall, handsome edgy dude who constantly abuses her physically and emotionally but is forgiven because his parents didn't love him or something" x 10000 is such an original and super-developed concept.
Don't fool yourself. Most shoujo works are as shit and generic as most shounen, it's just that they have a different kind of generic crap.
There are a few nice shoujo works, just like there are a few nice shounen works, the main difference is that generic shounen shit tends to get adaptated much more than shoujo.
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>>139840122
I'm not defensive, maybe you think I'm somebody else, by the way who's complaining about women?
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>>139840107
The OP was saying "romances that are more physical" in the first place you frothing retard.

Developed = further along
Physical intimacy = something that comes along as a relationship progresses

You need to work on your comprehension buddy.
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>>139840211
This.
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>>139840214
>>139839795
>rather than worshipping the ugly, like women do.
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>>139840283
I'm not complaining about women, I'm stating facts.
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>>139840334
hence >>>/r9k/
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>>139840237
I asked why you thought it was more developed and you started avoiding the question, hence the reading comprehension advice, but if you think that josei romance is more advanced only because of sex you're either 12 or really stupid.
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>>139840283
Oh, that wasn't me though.
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>>139840356
Are you literally retarded? What does anything I've written have to do with /r9k/?
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>>139840373
Okay so you just didn't read the post at all. Do you start rubbing up on a girl on the first date? Obviously physical intimacy is something that comes along as you develop a relationship, so physical intimacy is itself a development. The development in question in the OP was about physical development, which shounen and seinen severely lacks.

Go read Mysterious Girlfriend X or something you autist. .
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Her smug is perfect.
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>>139840283
women made the Kardashians rich.
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>>139840373
Where's the photoset of the Rakudai guy rejecting Stella in heat?
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>>139840580
Why are you saying I'm the one that doesn't read the posts when you're the one that's not answering my question? or are you trying to avoid giving me an answer?
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>>139840580
One-night stands and casual sex confirmed for developed.
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>>139840211
Pretty much this. Seinen > all.
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>>139840757
Your question was "Do you really think that makes it more developed"

To which I answered in my posts, several times. Yes I do think that couples have more than a single kiss every arc is a sign of greater romantic development.
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>>139840772
I never made a blanket statement idiot.

I'm sure a wife that doesn't let you touch her is fun too...
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>>139840822
>To which I answered in my posts, several times.
No, read your posts again and you'll see you actually didn't, also follow your own advice, stop samefagging and answer in one post.
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>>139833151
Yeah, I'm reading it. I haven't read the last few because I don't want to end of a here's-drama-fuck-you chapter and then wait 6 months to see what happens next.

At this point I might wait until it's completely scanlated before I read the rest.
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>>139837587
Holy shit someone else read this
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