Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1498

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I didn't work hard to make Ruby perfect for everyone, because you feel differently from me. No language can be perfect for everyone. I tried to make Ruby perfect for me, but maybe it's not perfect for you. The perfect language for Guido van Rossum is probably Python.

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rate me friends

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死ね

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Anyone reading/read the Flying shoes VN? I think its called ao kanata prism or something. I'm reading it now after watching the anime. Anime was kind of shit but I'm liking the VN so far. Kind of boring going through the stuff again though but I really wanna bang misaki and the pink haired girl from the other school

>>139794791
What are you reading for pleasure right now /djt/?

>>139794828
PG-13

>>139794828
it's nice
I don't believe in that error rate for a second
but it's nice anyway

>>139795039
wat

>>139795047
I've only done core so far, and I don't do any new cards from, it. I already know basically all of the words well

>>139794927
Same thing I read every day

Tae Kim and Anki cards

>>139795047
? Doesn't seem that outlandish

>>139794656
You probably have steps longer than 10 minutes and still have the "learn ahead limit" in Anki's base settings (Tools -> Preferences) set to 10 minutes. Sometimes it bugs out a little bit and takes a minute longer for reviews to pop up though, so if you only have 10 minute steps then set the "study ahead by _ minutes" setting to 11 or something.

>>139794927
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/index.html

>>139794887
Probably going to read it after the next couple VNs I have lined up. Didn't watch the anime because I heard it was bad, so I'll just watch it with BDs after reading it.

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俺わ四百二十のジョイントを炎為るぜー。 一緒にヤニろう？

>>139795197
My steps are apparently 1 10 30

Study ahead thing is 20 minutes. So I'm supposed to set it to 11 min? Not sure I get it.. And well, am I supposed to do Anki multiple times a day like this?

>>139795354
If it's 1 10 30 and you have the study ahead set to 20 minutes, then you have to wait out the remaining 10 minutes of that 30 minute interval for those reviews since the learn ahead limit is only taking 20 minutes off of it.

>>139795450
So do I lower the step to 20 or increase to learn ahead limit to 30? Or do I just leave it as is? I'm confused. What do you or others use?

>>139795354
When I was doing Anki I liked to set the third step ahead to like 60 minutes and then come back whenever during the day and flip through the cards one last time before sending them to the next day. It worked pretty well for me.

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日本語で糞レスをするの気持ちはいいよね

>>139795496
I'd probably just leave it as it is for now. If you can't remember it after 10 minutes, you're definitely not going to remember it the next day. I have more or less the same settings (1 10 30 steps) except my learn ahead limit is 15 minutes instead of 20.

>>139794927
I read about japanese hipsters

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/web_tokushu/2016_0407.html?utm_int=news_contents_tokushu_002

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Japanese is a formidable language

>Almost at 10000 cards
>Tfw when you know that an average Jap knows around 45k words.

>>139795972
It's like you can understand most stuff but once it gets even a bit technical/specific you get knocked right back onto your ass unless you're reading and have kanji to assist you (and even then you're still likely looking those words up to make sure your guess was right).

>>139795972
>tfw when you know 1200 kanji which mean you know more than 20k words.

>>139796067
That doesn't mean anything like that.

>>139796099
It does. I know a lot of words and that's excluding the words I can just guess by looking at the kanji.

>>139796152
That's weird, usually people finish Jouyou before memorizing up to such a number of words.

Why is 一 pronounced "ichi" and 一つ "hitotsu"?

This confuses me because I got used to spelling in japanese being pretty straightforward.

>>139796067
"knowing" a kanji ranges from "one meaning (and one reading)" to "every meaning, reading, compound and radical". You should probably define that further.

>>139796248
Kun an On readings basically.
Anyway, the most notorious readings in Japanese can be found in counters, others are relatively easy.

>>139796248
Every second word is like that.

>>139796294
Something in between those two, though I know the radical arrangement for the 1200 kanjis.

>>139796248
Numbers can seem very weird at the start. Basically there are new (on reading) and old numbers (kun reading) but they're used simultaneously. Doesn't get better when some syllables are fusing together and exceptions exist. That leads to something like
１ = ichi (on)
１回 = ikkai (ichi + kai fusing together)
１日 = tsuitachi (exception)
１人 = hitori (kun)

Which is one of the reasons counting in japanese can be a pain. Most counters use the on readings though.

Is context even real in context of Japanese? Or it's just a buzzword that WaniKani uses to lure subscribers?

>>139794791
Could I grab the attention of a few anons?
https://a.uguu.se/tsbtya_RelativeClause.pdf
Above is an example of one of the concepts from the DoJG (basic volume) which has had its respective image from the DoJG Anki deck converted to text, added to the DoJG.pdf.

I've converted a few dozen concepts so far and are going to start adding them batches, but haven't got a format laid out. The docx version of the DoJG.pdf I am using is done really well, everything properly in styles, so I used two pre-existing styles; one for the 【Notes】/【Related Expression】and one for the body of the Notes text, so tweaking that is just a matter of tweaking the styles.

Question on the format: if that okay for the Notes section or is there a more ideal layout?

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>>139794927
遠野物語よんでるよ
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001566/files/52504_49667.html

>>139796915
Get the fuck out of here, you are not welcome.

>>139796915
damn

>>139796248
Here are a few different lesson type pages on counters/numbers:
http://www.imabi.net/l21numbersi.htm
http://www.imabi.net/l22numbersiicounters.htm
http://www.imabi.net/l115numbersviordinal.htm
http://www.imabi.net/l116numbersviicountersii.htm
http://www.imabi.net/l209numbersix.htm

>>139796915
Please stay forever. You are always welcome.

>>139797147
Go to reddit if you like sucking Nipponese dick so much, they even have cool badges there. You will like it.

>>139796915
>Global Rule 13: Do not use avatars or attach signatures to your posts.
You are always posting identifiable images and your use of identical file names for each post is a form of signature.

Should I be doing the tae kim writing exercises? I have handwriting so much.

>>139796915
Hello, Imouto. Ignore this >>139796946 guy

>>139797223
You have nothing to lose by doing them.

>>139797205
I'm good here thanks. You'd probably fit in better at reddit if you want a hugbox where people will listen to your whining and comfort you.

>>139797223
>>139797252
I meant hate, not have. Does this change your statement?

>>139797286
Well if you hate writing, don't write.

>>139797294
You are on 4chan.
Your time isn't precious.

>>139797219
Seems like you can do just about anything as long as it's in Japanese.
>>139797276
You'll get a lot of Japanese dick there, and they are very helpful too.

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>真正面
>directly opposite; right in front

>>139797219
And fucking disgusting images at that.

>>139797399
I'm good here thanks.

>>139797515
If you support imouto you aren't good here, you can leave now. Nobody is going to miss you so you shouldn't worry about hurting anyone's feelings.

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>>139797490
I agree. At least post with high quality images.

>>139797546
I'll miss him I think. He seems like a good boy.

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>>139797593

>>139797489
If someone or something is directly opposite it can be right in front of you. Stand directly opposite a mirror: you're right in front of it and your reflection is directly opposite.

>>139797609
You'll find people like him there without a doubt, so fuck off already.

>>139797546
I'm mostly indifferent, personally. He's a helpful poster overall. It'd be nice if he included some useful trivia or information in every post instead of some of the random roleplaying stuff he usually does when not responding to someone, but there are plenty of other posts that are just as worthless and off-topic, including this conversation.

I'll be staying. Thanks for your concern, though.

>>139797685
Don't bother, you can't reason with this guy -- he's a fat loser who stays in his parent's basement so the only power he gets is by trying to impose his shitty rules on other people.

>>139797649
Never ever

>>139797685
His posts about going to the bath and how spring has come are so informative and helpful. If you weren't fucking stupid you would notice that he has no intention of actually helping anyone. He just likes people like you defending him for answering questions once in a while. Now you can fuck off.

>彼女は耳がよく聞こえません

isn't this redundant?

>>139797828
>She can't really hear well

>She can't really hear well with her ears

There's a clear difference

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>>139797219
私の場合は妹の事気にしない。
でも、お前は彼がそんなに嫌いなら、なぜ今まで彼をリポートしなかったかい？

>>139797796
It seems you didn't read my post. Try giving it another read. If you still don't understand what's written there, then maybe it's simply too deep for you. Either way, arguing with me is pointless and you're in the minority when you want him to fuck off. I won't be responding anymore, so have fun talking to a wall / whoever responds to you.

>>139797735
Yeah I'm done posting now, it's just funny seeing him have the same argument with people thread after thread thinking his opinion is in the majority and then getting extremely hostile when people don't agree with his viewpoint. He attaches images with the same name in each of his posts, so if the majority of people like him then the ones who don't can conveniently filter all of his posts. Personally I wish imoutohater would put a trip on so I could filter him, but it's amusing seeing him get so worked up so eh.

The more Japanese I learn and read the harder it is to even see the characters properly. Has anyone ran into this? My eyes just don't seem to get enough detail to differentiate or recognise the more complex characters.

>>139797968
radicals bruh

>>139797941
I understand that most people here are fucking retarded, I don't think that my opinion is in the majority.

>>139798009
Seems like you don't belong here anymore, anon. Make your own chan, I'm sure it will be very popular.

>>139798066
I guess you need to be an avatarfag supporter to belong here, right?

http://strawpoll.me/7312986

>>139797848
Surely Japanese doesn't demand elaborate statements at all times?

>>139797828
はっきり言う言葉もあるんだけど

はっきり言いすぎると日常会話では失礼になっちゃうかもしれないかなあとおもうよ

>彼女は聾（ろう）です

あと、漢字がやたら難しいよ

>>139798137
And a generalfag!

>>139797915
Stop defending avatarfaggotry and stop trying to personally insult people who point out avatarfaggotry using the rules as an objective measure. If you think you can hide behind crappy Japanese you are surely mistaken.

Obviously I have reported him. If you are defending this avatarfaggotry then you should also defend frogposting and tripfagging for they are done for the same reasons.

>>139798287
The mods haven't banned him yet. That means you're wrong in all aspects including your warped interpretation of the rules.

>>139798277
yeah how dare people who are learning japanese frequent a thread focused around learning japanese wtf man stupid generalfags what are they thinking エックス・ディー

>>139798346
>That means you're wrong in all aspects including your warped interpretation of the rules.
No, it means the mods aren't doing their jobs.

>>139798346
Using the same filename and type of pictures isn't a signature? Mods won't ban him because he is using Japanese.

How do I learn the right way? I feel like a retard spending 30 minutes without being able to learn like 10 words. I pronounce them loudly and feel like I will remember them but then when they appear I have no idea what they mean or how you pronounce them.

>>139798387
>he's this delusional

Post your anki stats so we can see how shit you are at Japanese.

>エ工
>カ力
>ニ二
>ハ八
>ロ口
FUCKING WHY

>>139798287
No, anon. You are smarter than this. We don't like avatarfagging either, but imouto occasionally makes worthwhile contributions, and it's in any case nice to have a real native speaker here to act as a circuit breaker in situations like
>>139797848
>>139798192
this.

>>139798420
>delusional
It's right there in the rules, black and white.
>Post your anki stats so we can see how shit you are at Japanese.
Nice deflection. Stop trying to change the subject.

>>139798447
>You are smarter than this
Smarter than you, clearly. Imouto shitposter isn't a native and all of his "answers" are tantamount to using a search engine.

>>139798440
one is bigger than the other

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>>139798489
>he's so bad at japanese that he gets triggered when he sees a native posting

>>139798447
So you will allow him to avatarfag as long as he occasionally answers questions? And you say that you don't support it?

>>139798489
I bet you can't even read imouto's post, illiterate child.

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Imouto is clearly loved by all. Haters, begone.

I want imouto to keep avatarfagging because it's funny seeing a couple autists get so incredibly upset over it

>>139798553
Sure

>>139798610
Literally just one guy.

>>139798602
note that imouto can still be pretty great even if he's not the greatest thing ever. i voted no because COMPELLING CONTENT (porn or not-porn) involving cute anime girls edges out, but imouto is a close second

>>139798610
That's totally not your self-delusional way of justifying this kind of behavior.

>you could be reading, learning japanese, or doing something productive but instead you shit up a thread on 4chan with meta shit that no one except you cares about

>>139798602
4chan rules are not a democracy.

>you could be reading New Game! RIGHT NOW

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>>139798794
じゃあ、どうして彼がまだ禁止されたのか？

>>139798912
>されなかった

>>139798602
This doesn't justify anything, even if 99% were against him he shouldn't be banned if he doesn't violate the rules, which he clearly is in this case.

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Why even argue about this when Imouto barely posts anymore?

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ああ、妹さん！あなたは私のいちばんすきなにほんじんですよ！！！ああ、です！！！！幸いヴァレンタインズベービー！！！どんな花が好きですか？妹はさほんっとうに暇だなでも大好き ！おはよう。朝ちゅう貰うぞ 。あいしてるぞ、妹ちゃん

四百二十燃やせ！このくっそおかまやろう！

imouto, how do I tell when 埋める is read as うずめる and when it's read as うめる?

>お互いの空白を埋めていく。
Is it うめる here?

>>139799501
Don't word your posts towards just one person, that's just fucking obnoxious

delete this

>>139799354
Nothing will change until he stops posting completely or drops the avatarfagging/roleplaying act.

>>139799501
why don't you ask him on skype or something?

>>139799529
Don't bully the glorious imouto. If I wanna talk with him you can't stop me.

>>139799586
Anyone can tell it's you you fucking chucklefuck.

>>139799501
Reading Tonakoi I see. Enjoying it so far?

>>139796915
>not liking imouto

妹ちゃん妹ちゃん

お誕生日はいつ？

>>139799545
I can understand getting upset when he posted all the time but that it's once a thread, if that, isn't it smarter to just relax and stop caring? It's a simple equation of time investment vs gain. You're investing a lot of your time typing up complaints and arguing with people. The gain you get from it will be very small, since imouto barely posts. See?

>>139799692
I don't understand this mentality of yours, if you support the tumblr-like level of delusional roleplaying here, why can't you state it clearly?

>>139799545
Maybe you should calm down and buy a handy dandy Bitlaser. Not only will you learn Japanese at a much faster rate with a truly indespinsible tool like it in your arsenal, but you can also point it directly into your eyes so you won't be able to see his posts anymore.

>>139799889
Learning Japanese is impossible, 出来ない and all, nobody is going to buy bitlasers just for that.

>>139799790
>I don't understand this mentality of yours,
I look at Activities through a veil of time since time is a limited resource. I consider whether any activity is worth the time before I do it. I limit my time on 4chan because I don't think it's very worthwhile but I also like the social interaction. So I look at you and see you irrationally wasting a lot of time and my mentality is saying "wow, maybe if I point out he's wasting his time he'll stop wasting it".

However, what I figure, is that you've actually built up imouto very large in your head. So you THINK you're spending your time well, when in truth you aren't. Or perhaps you just see a single post by him and get upset enough to knowingly waste time. I suggest stopping getting upset over stuff like that, it's fairly immature.

>>139799953
Do you consider this post to be a good investment of time? If you think I 'built him up' in my head, then is there any reason to try to stop me? Surely I'm just crazy and doing this for no reason.
One simple question - do you support roleplaying in this thread?

That feel when i can play ni no kuni by using google translate only once every two sentences. I spend ten-twenty seconds per sentences, though.

Hey, is reading furigana gonna fuck me up later when i stop relying on them ?
I didn't try to play pokémon because kana-only definitely would, but are furiganas as bad ?

>>139800043
>Do you consider this post to be a good investment of time
Not really, but like I said, I consider all of 4chan a waste of time, so in this limited time frame I've given myself to post I may as well post whatever I want.
>then is there any reason to try to stop me?
It's tragic to see someone waste so much of their time. Just thought I'd chime in. If you're content wasting your time then carry on.
> Surely I'm just crazy and doing this for no reason.
No, like I said, you're either getting upset and are being immature, or you've built up imouto in your head so you think "fighting" him is a valuable use of time.
>One simple question - do you support roleplaying in this thread?
I don't have strong opinions one way or the other. That question to me is like, "do you support people playing shiritori here" "do you support people posting about VNs here" "do you support people discussing their Anki habits here". I don't really care. DJT isn't my home, I open the thread once a day, skim through the posts, maybe reply to a couple, and then I'm done. I have no strong feelings as to what occurs here.

>>139800204
This is generally a good mindset to have I think. I feel like people who get extremely upset over meta stuff are the sort of people who are way too invested in this place and want to force it to be how they want it to be.

>>139800321
Yeah I agree. It's definitely the result of DJT being a general, and people staying on here 24/7 literally. People forget to treat this thread like any other one on 4chan.

>>139800204
What's your point exactly? You want me to stop? I already told you that's not going to happen until he drops his avatarfagging. I don't mind spending my time this way as I have a lot of it.
If you don't care about roleplaying or this thread, why do you care about someone being against it?

>>139800400
I have the thread open 24/7 pretty much, but I still post/read with that mindset more or less instead of treating it like a general / my home or something.

>>139800431
>I already told you that's not going to happen until he drops his avatarfagging. I don't mind spending my time this way as I have a lot of it.
Well OK. Immaturity it is. At least the people arguing against you understand that now and will maybe stop wasting their time.
>why do you care about someone being against it?
Like I said. I see someone wasting time and I think "wow, that guy's wasting a good chunk of his life on nothing, maybe if I point it out he'll wisen up and live a happier, better life". It was pure magnanimity. I don't mind if you keep fighting imouto. I won't be here to see most of it anyway.

>>139800431
Go out for a bit. You can reply when you come back.

I'm coming back from a long hiatus. Is rikaisama still the best? Can you still even install it since mozilla required addon signing?

>>139800702
Yes. It still gets updated, but if it gets disabled by required signatures then you can fix it by disabling Firefox requiring signatures by going to about:config and setting "xpinstall.signatures.required" to false.

If you were at the point where you were reading VNs you can also use http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk to texthook the VN directly into Firefox.

乗るしかない、このビッグウェーブに

>>139800572
>I won't be here to see most of it anyway.
Why do you care so much about me and how I spend my time then? Are you just that altruistic? Seems like a desperate attempt to defend your favorite attention whore.
>>139800690
Done.

>>139800880
Awesome, thanks.

いもうとさんのパンツはどんな色ですか

What is the best manga reading software on GNU/Linux?

>>139801255
赤いです

>>139801319
mcomix worked for me

>>139798489
How are your semicolon studies going, little buddy? Some day.

>>139801350
妹は古典読んだことがある?

>>139800572
You're probably better off just not responding to >>139801000 anymore. He has the exact same argument with everyone anytime someone responds to one of his whiny baby posts, except here it's impossible to get the baby to shut the fuck up and will just whine louder if you acknowledge its existence. He can't be reasoned with either.

>>139794828
Which program do you use?

>>139801428
Agreed. He just makes this thread a less pleasant space to be in.

妹さん, what's your take on WaniKani?

>>139801881
鰐蟹はクソ猫ですね

>>139802073
いもうと怖いよ。やめよ

妹様は日本でどこの生きるか？君はとても可愛いです！それは名前はなんでですかか^ ^

>>139802538
気持ち悪い

>>139794791
Let's say i want to get yare yare tattoo on my leg
should it be written like this やれやれ
or like this や
れ
や
れ

And why ?

Were any of you able to get mozc working in gnome? I can't seem to get it to recognize any keybinding changes..

>>139802827
や
れ
や
れ

I meant

>>139802693
君のなにですかわるいですか？

>>139802827
Easy, don't.

>>139802847
なにはmozcですか？私分からぬですよ。

Hey imouto-sama, do you know what >>139802827 is supposed to be?

>>139803073
Your attempts at false flagging are terrible.

>>139803128
おはよおぉぉ、ぼくのいとしのいもうとちゃん〜

>>139802947
リナックスのGoogleIMEだよ

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>>139802921
why not

>>139803073
Yep i know what it means

Not less stupid than getting wisdom ,honor or any other bullshit tattoo

Has Imouto stopped coming here?
I was rude to him in a thread and was worried he took offense or something.
妹ちゃんはかわいい
妹ちゃんは英明
妹ちゃんをあいしてる

>>139803300
There's a cooler way to write it with kanji
馬
鹿
外
人

>>139803405
Stop false flagging (or stop being blind)

>>139803073
You should have it done on your dick instead, oniisan.

>>139803683
too small i'm afraid

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I've been interested in the 龍が如く series but I don't think I'm at a level where I'd be able to follow along with what's being said. What's something similar to it in terms of vocabulary and such where I can control the pace like a manga or VN or game with manually advanced text? Hell, maybe some movies or shows too since I should really practice my listening comprehension and I can just rewind those anyway.

>>139803477

That looks awesome, I want to get it tattooed on my head.

>>139803683
I'm just curious to see what imouto says, or if they aren't going to recommend anything because that means breaking character. Well, too bad then...

>>139803770
Is there a reason you care? Imouto is a very good poster.

>>139803848
Tell me about generalfags, how're you planning to defeat them?

>he's resorted to blatant false flagging now that people won't argue with him
Do we just ignore it or do we make him mad by blatantly sucking imouto's dick as much as possible?

>>139804024
どこのポストは返事です？

>>139804164
We all know who you are.

>>139802885
well then ?

If people put this much effort into studying Japanese we wouldn't need /djt/ because everyone would speak the language already.

>>139804238
あなた（ごめん名前を知らない）は何をポストですか？

You have 10 seconds to be as dekenai as possible

>I used RTK
>I use core decks
>I havn't read Genki
>I read Tae Kim

>>139804379

What's the point, you already won by not even getting the word right.

>>139794828
I only review like 60 cards a day at my level and Im over an hour, how the fuck are you doing it?

>>139804451

Not that guy but if you take over a minute per card then you're doing something horribly wrong.

>>139804068
We should put imouto.jpg into the OP image.

>>139804323
Yeah, you always start trying to reply in jap when the going gets tough.

>>139804526
私は日本語のスレだから日本語の練習ですね。あんた一緒に練習ですね。

What is trip in Japanese now again? It's like handle or something like that

>>139804652
サイカデリク

>>139804652
コテハン

>>139804933
Thanks

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>>139804504
Not a minute per card, but its not like I remember every single card the first time

pic related. If I'm taking an hour this early, am I dekanai? Does it get easier

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みうらちゃん、その言い方は酷いだよ！

>>139805119
Too real

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>>139805119
>酷いだ
anon, onegay...

>>139805244
> http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/adjectives
>Do NOT attach 「だ」 to i-adjectives.
出来ない

>>139805077
It does get easier. You might want to review the tips in the Anki start-up guide or consider doing RTK/a radical deck if you have difficulty distinguishing kanji.

>>139805394
That's pussy advice honestly

>>139805455
Distinguishing kanji is not the problem. For pretty much every card I remember the meaning instantly. Its pronunciation that takes me awhile to learn.

>>139805394
>Tae Kim

opinion discarded

>>139805077

>but its not like I remember every single card the first time

And the guy you were replying to hadn't done any new cards that day, his average was 20 minutes per day, not 4.

As for your pace I wouldn't know since I never did core, but ultimately what counts isn't how quickly or slowly you review your cards. What counts is that you learn effectively, because even if it takes long initially, in the long run you win the time back if that extra time investment is what allows you to memorize things properly.

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Hey imouto, do any online dictionaries have audio clips of natives pronouncing the words? I'm not sure where to get word audio when the thing I'm reading is unvoiced and the audio isn't on Rikai or Forvo.

>>139805394
Is there any truth to this?

>>139805780
うん、ことは自体の返事ができるね。

>>139805710
Only dumb EOPs need audio.

>>139805931
I just like to be sure of the intonation and stuff. I can read from rikaisama or my memory.

>>139805780
Yes. i-adjectives already have "to be" built in. です is only used for politeness sometimes. だ adds nothing.

>>139806019
ありがとうございます！面白いねえぇ！

>>139805710
>he's false flagging so hard that he's actually digging up posts from the archive
Is this the same guy who was spamming fake questions from reddit and koohii and shit?

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I just typed out an entire question and it was answered by itself when my IME accidentally displayed the word

In case anyone's wondering

>「すると気球はますます傾き、重くなる。ついには村全体を引きずりおとそうとする」

I was super confused with the おとそうとする part but the IME autofilled it into 落とそう and I got it. It's funny how my brain shits itself sometimes.

>>139806250
お妹さん、君はほしいね。マンコをクンニしたいです

>>139805119
This made me cry.

>>139798418
Help pls.

Also how do you learn Kanji? The heisig methods works pretty well so far but that's only because I have only learnt like 20 Kanji yet. I have no idea how I am going to remember over 1000 of these, especially when they get so complex they don't look like anything. Also I only learn the meaning but not the spelling of them.

>>139806250
Probably.

>>139807051
only learn core vocab and grammar if you want the easy way

>>139807051
>especially when they get so complex they don't look like anything
The majority of them are just a combination of only a few components or other kanji. Heisig mnemonics are designed to help you remember what components are in each kanji so you can write them from memory. Main issue is the English keywords since sometimes they can be inaccurate and it's easy to mix them up, so you should probably add cloze vocab (example vocab with the kanji in question replaced with hiragana) to your cards as you go along to help combat this and to introduce readings and actual vocab as you go.

I wish I could do kanji grid for multiple decks at once

>>139807051
Once you're 2000 kanji through Heisig or Kanjidamage you'll look back and think "is that it"?

Anyone who shits on these methods are retarded. They work like wizardry

>>139807524
KD only has around 1600 kanji though.

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>>139805077
Alright today it only took me 40 minutes today, but I still feel like I'm forgetting the majority of the material I learn

On saturdays I work from 8am to 11pm, its it too damaging on my progress if I just do a day on reviews and not learn any new cards? I probobly have no choice but to do that once a week.

>>139807735
>8am to 11pm
You have my blessing to skip new cards on Saturdays. But maybe you could spread them out over the other days instead of removing them altogether?

>>139807218
>so you should probably add cloze vocab (example vocab with the kanji in question replaced with hiragana) to your cards as you go along to help combat this and to introduce readings and actual vocab as you go.

How exactly would I go on about doing this? Right now I am using premade card decks.

Some of the Kanji I don't understand how I would use them. Like 旧 "old times"

Also how much vocabulary should I need before reading or watching something in Japanese? Should I be doing it right from the start?

>>139807841
>Also how much vocabulary should I need before reading
Usually you can start reading children's news sites and low level manga like yotsuba around 1000 words

>Some of the Kanji I don't understand how I would use them. Like 旧 "old times"
古 and 旧 are different in that the first one says something is just old in of itself, and the later denotes something is old because it is "former". "former girlfriend", "former (used) car"

If you want to find out how a kanji is used in context, google the kanji+jp (so you dont get any chinese sites). For example, googling 旧 gives me a Toyota site

http://www.toyota-catalog.jp/catalog/

where they use 旧車, as in "used car"


>watching something in Japanese
There are people here who have been studying for multiple years and still can't "watch" anything in japanese. Hearing japanese is on another level to reading it. I recommend starting early with listening exercises if that really is your goal. Japanesepod101 is an often cited one. You can download pretty much every single one in the COP.

I've learned some hiragana characters. I am a little confused about how to use them. For example, if i saw a sentance written in hiragana, would I look at each character and say those sounds to make English words, or would it make romanji words. And if it made romanji, wouldn't I then have to learn all of the definitions for those words?

>>139798440
Just in case you are serious

context
They could literally be the same character and it still wouldn't be a problem

>>139808251
what

Hiragana is mostly used for grammar, particles and conjugation and that kind of thing. Nouns verbs and adverbs are written (mostly) in kanji

Loan words from other languages such as ハンバーガー are written in katakana

It actually happened

Monet was referenced in the LN I'm reading

>>139808236
VNs are also decent for getting some listening practice if you're not tuning the audio out. And seasonal anime with Japanese subs from http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F (have to shift them after the OP, eyecatch, and ED) and texthooking them with http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk (requires 32 bit player). Or re-watching old anime you've already seen.

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>okozukai
What does this mean?

>>139808928
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>139808928
This hurts my eyes to look at

>>139809012
Gomen, was sore a shoshinmonosugi question?

>>139808613
Wait, there are two fucking alphabets in this language?

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>>139809103

Is it enough to study 1 hour a day?

ジャップは人間ではない。

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>>139809135
Yeah but eventually you should recreationally read in Japanese for more than 1 hour a day if you want to hit fluency before 5-10 years.

>>139809202
does LingQ actually works. The guy who shills it on his youtube channel claims hes learned like every European langauge

How does your daily study plan look like?

>>139809287
LingQ is essentially an Anki overlay over public reading material, so yes it works, it's just flash cards + reading. It's just less effective than making an anki deck.

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>>139809310
reps and 50 new words in anki, grammar until i stop feeling like trash and reading for like 2 hours

>>139809310
>fap to doujin and hmanga magazines for 5 hours
>it's 1.34am and I haven't done my reps

I'll do them after posting this

>>139809401
>reps

?

>>139809310
4 hours of anki
30 minutes of reading
10 hours of watching cute japanese streamers

>>139809463
anki

>>139809310
When I have 2 hours free I do anki vocab deck and my kanjidamage deck, I do 20 new words a day from both

when on the bus or walking I'm listening to japanesepod101

One day Ill actually start learning grammar

>>139809531
Where do you fit in going to work and spending time with your wife and kids?

>>139809531
>4 hours of anki

How many words do you learn?

I need a lot of attempts before I actually memorize a word. Is that normal?

>>139809310
I do 20-30 new words a day depending on how I feel like
1-2 hours of reading
Sometimes anime without subs

>>139809531
>10 hours of watching cute japanese streamers

I would neck myself if I had to do this

>>139809626
Made me laugh, well done mememaster.

>most of anime, manga, video games, VN are all subbed in English already
>spend your time to learn Japanese

any benefit?

>>139809658
No you should instinctively know what gibberish and squiglys means in a moon language

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>>139809811
>most of VN are all subbed in English already
If you're going to make bait at least give yourself some appearance of legitimacy

>>139809811
Translations are always way worse than the original material.

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>>139809811
professional subbers

>>139809811
VNs
Books
Music
Getting closer to the original material/not relying on amateur translators

>>139809811
It's true that it's mostly pointless for manga and anime.

However there's lots of GOD TIER VNs, LNs and even games that aren't translated and won't be for a very long time if at all.

>>139809811
Everyone here will tell you that there is good stuff untranslated but they are all lying.

I say the biggest benefit to learning japanese is light novels since baka tsuki is slow as fuck and unreadable

Gaijins can never learn to watch anime unsubbed. You have to move to japan and be immersed 25/7 in order to achieve that level on comprehension.

>>139809811
I want to watch japanese tv and browse japanese imageboards and watch japanese youtube videos.

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>>139809926
>It's true that it's mostly pointless for manga and anime.
I have a hobby of checking the quality of scanlations and they're so consistently wrong, it's DEFINITELY valid to learn Japanese for manga. Scanlators suck ass.

>>139809891
I don't see the problem?

>>139809993
nys

>>139809993
シンガポール
Shisogapo, Lumpur

>>139809851
I just feel stupid having to review a card like 30 times before I finally remember it. I thought people here memorized them after like 1-3 views since you all have 130< IQs.

>>139809891
>>139809883

Most pro subs or head of sub groups are native japanese or at least grew up in a japanese family. Their trasnlation will always bee 100% better than yours.

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>>139809811
>video games
good one

>>139810077
3/10 got me to reply

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>>139810063

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>>139809993
It's Singapore
>>139809987
>>139809926
And even when translators know Japanese well, they'll HAVE to make translations which are inferior to the original, because Japanese is such a different language. Re-reading my favourite manga in Japanese was eye opening, I understood the characters far better.

>>139808928
御小遣い

>>139809987
I guess? I mean manga don't really rely on prose and mistakes that bad are usually outliers.. but then again I'm not that big of a fan of manga. I feel like it's the least "good" medium out of them all and waiting 1 week to a month for a 5 minute chapter is too much cuckery for me.

>>139810140
Should have actually explained why I'm wrong then your reply would have been worth something

>>139810249
Because you've read every single completed manga that's worth reading so that you're forced to read ongoing ones right

>>139808928
Who is responsible for creating this

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>>139809987

>>139810290
4/10 got me to reply twice

>>139810249
>I feel like it's the least "good" medium out of them all

That's anime usually. Manga goes more in depth and has better art. Anime can be really great with the added dimension of sound but only very few anime have a combination of great story, animation and soundtrack.

Also I would never read unfinished manga.

>>139810249
> I mean manga don't really rely on prose
They "rely" on the Japanese langugae, and scanlators tend to not know it well.
>mistakes that bad are usually outliers
They are not outliers. I see it all the time, all over the place.
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/139470960/#139475518
It's common enough that avoiding bad/incorrect translations is a valid reason for learning Japanese.
>I feel like it's the least "good" medium out of them all
I don't really care, what does that have to do with anything?

>>139810296
Not him but the problem is more that I usually would get interested in the story through the anime and anime always advertise ongoing manga.

>>139810347
I'm genuinely curious how you can claim that your knowledge from anki and Tae Kim trumps that of a person whose been speaking japanese for decades.

>>139810392
I can't believe people like you exist. I'm genuinely surprised. You do you man, but really...

>>139810465
>I can't believe that there are people who aren't complete weebs who search out new manga all the time
okay whatever you say bro

>>139810512
You're on /a/, you'll get exposure to completed manga simply by existing. Besides, unless you're living in Japan and watch whatever anime comes on by chance I don't see what point you're trying to drive.

>>139810550
You need to think about this a bit more, honestly. Really, the majority of /a/ does not read that much manga, much less completed ones, so that should be enough to convince you that some of your assumptions might not be so good.

>>139810683
>Really, the majority of /a/ does not read that much manga
Nonsense.
>much less completed ones
Nonsense

>>139810324
Is this yotsuba? i can't even tell whats going on after 6 months. i should just off myself

>>139800204
Jesus christ shut up you fucking faggot could you tip your fedora any fucking harder? Do you write a 3,000 word essay when someone asks you what your favorite food is too?

>>139810420
Aren't you the one that's supposed to provide some back up for your claim? What makes you think professional translators that work on anime are natives or even close that skill level?

>>139809626
it doesn't
that's why I can't focus on studying Japanese only.
hope I wouldn't fail next jlpt test

>>139810719
Yep you've confirmed it. You're delusional.

>>139810369
I prefer anime much more desu. Voices, music and the general library elevate it for me and even the most praised manga never really interested me that much. Ikuhara stuff is just a pleasure to watch, and I'm really weak to well done voice cast as well as music inserts.

>>139810799
Well, call me whatever you like.

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>>139810420
When you translate something, you go through the steps of:

1. Understanding the sentence in its original language (this requires you to be able to recognise all the words and grammar)

2. Framing the meaning of the sentence in the target language (this part requires you to know the target language which we will assume to be English)

3. The third and most important step is to write it out in the target language. Being able to comprehend sentences in the target language (like native Japanese speakers do) does not mean that they will be good writers in English. Oh, and by the way, your post about "pro subs" and "head of sub groups" being native Japanese is completely wrong, whether you're talking about anime, manga, VNs or actual literature.

The bottom line is that if you're translating J>E you want your translator to have a good grasp of the Japanese language AND very solid writing skills to bring the author's words to life in English. Who fits this category? Native English speakers, mostly. Sure, you can argue that there are native Japs who are good at writing in English, but none of them are "heads of sub groups".

>trumps that of a person whose been speaking japanese for decades

Diminishing returns. A Japanese kid takes decades to reach a sizeable vocabulary level but as an adult I can gain a reasonable level of comprehension using flashcards in months or years which would still be way less time. Given enough time, any Japanese learner's proficiency and comprehension skills will reach the level which is required to reliably translate media, after which the only bottleneck is his writing skills.

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>Know just enough japanese to know when a translator is wrong
>don't know enough to not them the sub

>>139810944
JP subs

also, fuck off frogposter

Please teach me English. If yes, I will teach you Japanese.

>>139811176
You can't learn English.

>>139811207
Is learning English as difficult to the Japanese as learning Japanese is to us?

>>139811245
No, English is an easier language than Japanese.

>>139811245
They're probably so shit at it because they grind lousy textbooks instead of reading

t. watched anime with characters learning english

>>139811245
Nope. Imagine if you only had to learn half of hiragana, and that's it. They only have to learn a couple letters and can just spam vocab / grammar.

>>139811387
Yeah Adding Kanji would be great.

>>139811245
Your question is like comparing men's orgasm and female's orgasm. No one can answer which is more feel good.

>>139811387
Revenge? I'm pretty sure it would make it more difficult for Americans if anything.

>>139811439
Stop oppressing me, shitlord.

>>139811245
I saw a picture of a japanese textbook where they had
they're
and ゼア as pronunciation. They're more dekinai than any of us.

>>139811439
An arab who has learned both languages could

>奇奇怪怪
Japanese so simplistic when you want to emphasize something you just double the kanji in the word

>>139811489
I remember this russian anon teaching people russian vulgarities using katakana on /int/ once

Ah, the good old days when /int/ was still good

>>139810754
>responding to a 6 hour old post with an off-topic shitpost that doesn't even have anything to do with their conversation and isn't really warranted given he's giving reasonable counter arguments to a whiny autist

Why do you need to memorize the stroke order? It seems like it would only be necessary if some japanese person would look over your shoulder as you're writing and judge you.

>>139811546
Cos he's a special snowflake teenager who needs to have his opinion heard nomatterwhat

>>139811439
>implying men cant replicate the sensation of a female orgasm
You cant be this innocent

>>139811551
Knowing stroke order makes it easier to read handwritten stuff occasionally, and obviously the same goes for others reading your stuff.

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>>139811551
Personal interest or the ability to recognize handwriting easier by following the flow of the strokes like in pic related.

>>139811700
nobody can read that

>>139811245
No, English is objectivly one of the easiest languages in the world to learn, japanese possibly the hardest.

I fucking hate the polyglot meme. All these people who claim to be language experts because they know 15 different languages really just know 2, and 10 variations of one. There is no fucking award for learning dutch, you just replace the words and boom your done. Such is the same with most romance languages. You know the conjugation and you know the vocab, of which half of it sounds the same, and youre done. In reality, most non-white/non-asian languages have been wiped out, save arabic. Africa speaks various forms of dutch and french and south America forms of Spanish and Portuguese. Shit-tier people make shit languages that are doomed to die.

None of these TED talk polyglot language expert faggots know japanese or Chinese, but they continue to sell their shit because they are able to convince normies that there is some kind of massive achievement in learning french, or spnaish, or dutch or whatever. With jap/chinese you have NO choice but to grind hundreds of hours on vocab and kanji. You can't just look at a sentence and just know about what it means because the language is basically the fucking same.

I bet if half the people in this thread but the same effort/methods they use for japanese into other languages, they would be polyglots in a heartbeat.

>>139811746
>I bet if half the people in this thread but the same effort/methods they use for japanese into other languages, they would be polyglots in a heartbeat.
I think of this a lot

>>139811489
I admit we're shit at pronunciation, but I'm doubt on the last part in your post. Very few number of you can speak understandable Japanese. Prove me wrong.

>card type changed from "Card 1" to Japanese in mining deck for some reason
>now I can accidentally add words I already have added a second time by mistake
Fuck

>>139811740
I could read it just fine when it was posted the other day. Not instantly of course, but I was able to figure it out reasonably quickly by following the flow of the strokes. Only part that gave me a bit of trouble was the right component of the first kanji, but context was enough to figure it out.

>>139811746
I fucking dare you to learn French and then say that shit about verb endings again.

Am I missing any important features by using anki on my phone and not pc?

>>139811700
The person who wrote this didn't get his GED.

>>139811746
Yup, this is true, and measurabe

http://web.archive.org/web/20071014005901/http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/november/learningExpectations.html

Diplomats need around 580 hours to become proficient in most European languages. (that meaning they can communicate in a business meeting). If we assume your average djt NEET spends around 2 hours a day give or take, that means a year of study to go to a country and be able to understand and be understood in a comfortable fashion.

On the other hand, diplomats to japan or china need 2200 hours, nearly 4 times as long.

>>139810420
>>139810077
Not the guy who responded to you, but I'll bite anyway.

There is a fundamental problem with translation, and it's not translators making grammar mistakes or misunderstanding the meanings of words.
A knowledgeable translator who strives to preserve the literal meaning of each sentence will end up with a work that's lacking - metaphores get distorted, puns go flat, themes miss the mark due to cultural differences and the tone is slightly altered because the words just don't feel the same.
Any attempt to correct these flaws will create inconsistencies with the original work, taking it further and further from the original and introducing more of the translator's noise into the work.

>>139811746
>I bet if half the people in this thread but the same effort/methods they use for japanese into other languages, they would be polyglots in a heartbeat.
That's partly because thanks to obsessed gaijins there are a lot of tools that make learning Japanese easier and VNs are a ridiculously good way to make progress compared to other languages' alternatives.

But yeah. despite how memey it sounds I'll agree that most people IIRC could be acceptable polyglots within half a year if they pick similar languages. Like Italian is literally more similar to French than Austria's dialect of German to written German.

>>139811889
You can memorize a grammar section's verb endings in a day mate

>>139811820
>I'm doubt
> Very few number
俺が日本語をうまく発音出来るという自信はないけど
少なくともカタカナ英語やってる日本人よりは通じると自負してるよ

>>139811835
So what is it

>>139812111
Holy shit I butchered that post. Meant ITT instead of IIRC and won't even bother fixing the other typos, I'm outta here

>>139812222
新世界より

>>139812111
Thats not to say they should. Most people (that matter) in Europe can speak a acceptable amount of english.

Despite what people say, very few people in Japan can speak English

t. Lives in Germany for 3 years and now live in Japan

>>139812183
I didn't say that "all" of you in this thread can't into understandable Japanese tho. Your written Japanese is almost perfect btw.

>>139812265
Are you rich? What do you do?

>>139812338
I'm a peon for a hardware giant

>>139812332
I think most of us can pronounce Japanese better than Japanese pronounce English though. It's just not really a fair comparison. Japanese has relatively simple pronunciation, while English is more complicated. On top of that, this thread is full of people who are actually trying seriously to learn Japanese, whereas literally everyone in Japan studies some English but most of them don't give a shit about it.

Is it just me or does it look weird when a westerner speaks Japanese? I guess I will always have to admire Japan from afar. Like an unrequited love.

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I am progressing at an okay rate but I am too inconsistent. I need to make reading and mining a certain amount of new cards every day a priority. Does anyone else have big fluctuations like this?

>>139812497
No. When you go to a resteraunt and order in japanese, and other places, japs love to say あなたは非常によく日本語を話します!

They don't really mean it, they are just impressed that a gaijin learned their language and want to encourage you.

>>139811968
Bump.

>>139812453
That's right. Our pronunciation is shit because variation of our pronunciation is limited as you said. But how about the writing? As long as I see posts on 4chan that are written in Japanese by Japanese learners like you guys in this thread, most of them are not understandable ones especially when you write complicated topics.

>>139812586
Story of my life, I'd be fluent if I had been able to keep up my willpower. Give it your best, don't be too harsh on yourself when you fail, but don't get lazy just because you allow yourself to take off some time every now and again. Do try to do something every day, even if it's 1/10th of what you wanted or just a single item.

So how accurate do japanese characters have to be written? How much room is there for stylization? Is there a guide on this somewhere?

Is there a way to add a word to Anki via Rikaisama if it's not the top definition or do I have to go do it manually?

How active are you when learning? Do you write every word or kanji you learn down? Do you make physical cards?

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>>139812165
You think this is a game?

>>139808928
They should just switch over to romaji, really. That's so easy and unproblematic in comparison.

>>139812825
Nobody in japan actually writes in kanji senpai

>>139813062
All of these are easy tho

Except for subjonctif, let's ignore that one

>>139813151
You are bluffing.

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>>139813085
Well I don't mean Kanji only. Like would all these be valid?

How should I read these?
歌々
糸々

>>139813228
I was able to learn them so they can't be that hard
Try German

>>139812685
ヤッホー黄色いマン
いやじゃなくて　白色マンですよね

ともかくあんたのちんこは小さいですよね
黄色いでも白色でも関係ないよねこの事実には

>>139813274
No, every single one of them is off. The top-right one is the closest.

>>139812795

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I definitely have the long-term motivation to continue, but I often find myself skipping days in the short term. I'll keep on trucking.

>>139813374
German is easy, once you wrap your head around the weird rules it's all very regular.

>>139813374
German isn't that difficult either. I got that stuff in high school ten years ago and I can still do all the mitt nach bei seit von zu aus lists even though I never use them.

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>>139813274
They would understand it but they would probobly get a headache reading it. Like you can read pic related but would you want to read a whole letter written like this?

>>139811968
Anyone?

Also is there a difference between learning from the Tae Kim website and Android app?

>>139813387
そのチンコが小さい民族が話している言語を、誰からお願いされるわけでもなく、自発的に長時間かけて勉強している人たちがいるというのも事実ですよね。

How did japanese computers display Kanji before high resolution displays?

>>139814133
>not knowing what resolution is

do you need to do the RTK book with the RTK anki deck or can you just rely off the deck