I've gotta admit, Shingeki no Kabaneri was pretty good.
It seems to be pretty divisive already. If it ends up being shitty then the threads will probably stabilize since /a/ has the most fun with trainwrecks.
There are 2-3 threads right now and they're all at least half-filled with shitposting.
There's a loli eroge that recently came out that features trains, apparently the writer or director is obsessed with them so there's all sorts of train nonsense in it.
Unfortunately it got picked up by Sekai Project so whenever a TL does come out EOPs will be stuck with censored garbage, if it's even readable.
People have already been doing that since it got announced in fucking 2014. You're incredibly late.
There's also that one PreCure autist who makes elaborate stories about them as trains.
Just saw the episode. Pretty fucking good. The voice acting, animation character designs are neat. The MC don't turning into a Kabemane in the end was bullshit through and also if i were Isayama i would be pissed as fuck cause this is a complete copy paste but with zombies
I think he tricked the virus into thinking the host had died by asphyxiation so the virus just gave up and died too. I'm no rocket doctor but even I know that's bullshit. Eh, it's an anime.
>steps on his heart
With her bare foot right? We crush fetish now.
I actually hate how they changed the protocol for the second train; remember for the first train, the train stopped before the bridge and then they lowered it.
But the second time they lowered it before the train stopped, a breach of protocol.
It's unbelievable that a race that stupid could have survived this long
>incoming trains enter by drawbridge
>no way to verify if the infected are on the train before entering the city
>poorly designed entry gate as a train could just speed ram into it
Why didn't they build a railway turntable outside the city perimeter?
>nitpicking on Mongolian motion pictures
Seem like the system was based just on the train whistle and they assume it would never be blown if the train was overrun. They showed the kabane with his arm tangled in the whistle cord..
You got it wrong; its Kaneki of the Iron Fortress.
There was already a trainwreck in the first episode.
>but a virus that puts a steel cage around your heart is pretty bullshit in the first place.
This. Even if we accept the MC's assertion that it's actually a disease, there's still some not our universe stuff going on beyond you typical pop-culture zombie. Trying to pick that apart scientifically is fruitless.
What's bullshit is not that he could stop it but that he seemed to know exactly what to do.
And if you have to stop it reaching the brain, why bother with riveting bits of metal to your arm and chest?
There was no explanation how he knew how to stop the infection. Pretty useful information to have considering that they have fucking suicide bags.
Did no-one think about doing research apart from him?
He was doing research but he was the only one, and it was shown that it was still preliminary and he was mostly doing weapons testing
More egregious is the lack of civil engineering foresight in having your train line run straight through the walls into the heart of the station, rather than tangential to it along the walls where an outbreak could be contained.
Showpiercer nigga. Although the comics are superior.
Good point. I think I could accept "society is rigid" and "better safe than sorry" and the method is unreliable for why they aren't choking infected people in the field, but hopefully they'll explain how the MC knew just what to do.
He also cauterizes his arm for some reason. It's oddly specific all the stuff he does.
Well it certainly explains why stations get overrun all the time. It's not because the zombies are dangerous but because their security designs are laughably bad.
But I guess that's what a noble system does- the people in control seem to be in control due to their birth rather than because they're smart, or responsible.
You'd think a little foresight in that even if you don't care about the plebs you should have them follow better security if for no other reason that it stops zombies attacking you.
I'm generally not a fan of 'everyone is stupid apart from the MC' plots.
Especially ones that give the MC mystical knowledge that no-one else has, like how to render suicide bags obsolete.
Kinda makes the suicide bag scenes meaningless if there's a kid running around that knows how to get away with not needing one
He probably cauterized so the infection in the wound would be gone and would only need to worry about what was already in his body.
If choking himself worked and he didn't get rid of the wound it would have just infected him again.
All the stuff he does is based on hypotheses to stop the infection from spreading
>cauterize wound for sterilization
oh shit that didn't work it's already spreading
>rivet zombie cure into arm to look like a badass
but takes a few seconds to stop the spread
fuck yeah that's metal
>hang self to get some bitching white hair because you're out of hair dye and get off while the cure takes effect
And that's how you stop the kabane curse.
I think the scene where he tries to stop the bushi from executing the guy even when they weren't supposed to is trying to show that most of society just wants the safe and secure route regardless. It also seems like society is run by the bushi and probably not conducive to research. Then again other stations may be different. And I wouldn't say it reneders the bags obsolete if you basically have to be right there in a machine shop when it happens. That process was still the weirdest thing.
Watch closely and you can see that the infection spreads all the way to his neck, then after choking, it just retracts all the way back.
Zombie movies without any basic understanding of how blood transmits pathogens (or magic zombie curses) is not fun.
>infection manifests itself within seconds
They have to be literally retarded to not be able to tell that someone isn't infected just by looking at the wound when they immediately get purple skin and glowing veins
This girl is delicious. Can't wait for R-18 fanart.
No idea. It certainly seems that the brain is involved somehow too. Maybe the infection needs the brain to command the body but the heart can somehow regenerate the body including the head?
A better question about suicide bags is; if they can make gunpowder (explosives they call it), why don't they have gunpowder weapons?
They'd be more powerful than the steam ones.
So all the shit talk about MAL I decide to see what it's actually like and fuck my ass
>I found this review [Helpful]
No unhelpful button or anything else. 10/10 from one episode, holy shit.
>The first episode is absolutely packed with content, has a plot that hasn't been used to death in other anime already and just absolutely thrills you with the short time it has to make an impression.
I like her better in combat gear.
What is this art style called?
So beautiful and yet I feel slightly nostalgic.
The trains in Town Hall occasionally come early,
Unfortunately she has shorts in OP
Anime wasn't done at amazon budget, they probably are even now, though
It's called Mikimoto.
of course it was inevitable but she is still stupid
Being MC is suffering
When will she stop being a loli?
The bit that seemed to finally stop it was cutting off any circulation to the brain.
I'm sure we'll find out more as the series goes on, but if I had to guess it's that the parasyte either can't survive long in the human body and so it has to reach the brain quickly or it's that it won't infect a brain dead person.
To be fair civil engineering oversights of this nature happen all the time too; if you have no central planning authority and things just organize organically (which characterizes a feudal system on the cusp of industrial revolution pretty perfectly), you'll have tons of failures like this; so it's a more forgivable/justifiable kind of stupid at least, compared to say a science fiction show where you would expect societies to know better.
The thing is in the real world we didn't have to deal with zombie outbreaks testing the boundaries of our civil engineering projects, just mundane accidents like >>139788821
No. But it does, along with all the sweatdrops, make people look shinier in comparison to normal anime style which is what anon asked about.
Frankly though, this episode really does look better than 95% of stuff out there. The question is whether they can keep it up.
Would it have been better if he managed to just stop it at his arm and had to constantly deal with it instead of the weird full suppression?
He's not, I thought that was fairly obvious from all the promotional materials that were released prior to this airing.
He and Mumei are the same now, or at least similar. Both infected, with the infection either largely dormant or somehow vaguely symbiotic.
The main character is a badass.
I love him already, and also his glasses (monocle?) are/is really cool.
He is pretty awesome, not only in attitude but also the fact that he does work towards his goals rather than just spewing words.
>VA-kun is doing a godly work.
For a relative newbie (his earliest work was World Break in 2014, right?) Hatanaka is fucking fantastic. Almost feels like the new , more gutteral Nobuyuki Hiyama in turns of hotblooded-ness in some ways.
This one gotta be one of the most tasteful feet fanservice ever, after Chuuni, nothing can top that.
Bahamut is still the best Shingeki, but I have to admit this was decent. I feel like a significant chunk of why I like it is the art style though, so I'll have to see if the writing will impress me in future episodes.
How? The entire show is written to make him look smart by making everyone else look like an idiot. But he's still a giant moron. I was floored when he cuts his arm to lead zombies to him so he can test out his gun. What the fuck kind of plan is that? If the zombies are attracted to blood, why didn't more follow him? What would he have even done if more followed him? Why isn't he dead from blood loss?
Why don't they use gunpowder-based weapons? They could pierce through even steel armor.
You just need bigger bullets
Or maybe they are simply working with the infrastructure that was in place before the zombie apocalypse? It's not easy to redesign a train system under normal circumstances.
I would imagine that the stations shown so far are from poorer less developed areas, and the main hub is going to pretty well defended.
>trains in a zombie apocalypse
That's a decent idea
>zombies can stick to train like spiders
>train runs right through the middle of the entire town
>guns dont work on zombies
>everyone uses guns anyway
Mumei and Ayame figurines by Union Creative
literally just snowpiercer except the snowpocalypse is a zombie apocalypse
>guns dont work on zombies
Just use bigger guns
Then why don't they just shoot mr. suicide bag at the beginning?
Because he would turn into a zombie?
So they're useless?
Or just use nail guns I guess
Also if the virus needs to spread to the brain, why do they have to shoot the heart?
It felt like they put a lot of budget into this and are hoping to make bank before the guaranteed money that is SnK S2.
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>If the zombies are attracted to blood, why didn't more follow him?
He wanted to specifically bait a single one he had already seen, I think.
>What would he have even done if more followed him?
Yeah, he didn't think that through very well. But he was probably under pressure/overexcited about testing his stuff.
>Why isn't he dead from blood loss?
It's just a cut on your arm, it's not like he cut a main artery or something. You're not gonna die of blood loss for a cut like that.
And this just made me realize, why did they shoot the guy that they thought was bitten? What if he had become a zombie after they shot him? They're guns don't work so they'd all be fucked
I think the idea of the suicide bag is that the explosive power of the suicide bag completely destroys the heart, and that rather than your friends having to waste many bullets to ensure your heart is destroyed you're going to finish the job yourself.
Based on the fact that they have already shown the MC dying twice in the second episode previews they are probably immortal during the transition they don't just immediately become one after getting shot.
Gonna get fucked by a Kabane if you use one of those anyway
So they can make guns AND have explosives
Why don't they just make firearms?
The suicide bag isn't enough to pierce a Kabane heart.
It shoots something through your heart before it becomes a Kabane heart.
And the MCs weapon right now is just a prototype that only works stationary. Its not portable.
It may surprise you but there are different type of gunpowder (its only called "gun" in English, which is retarded language), and not all suited for firearms - discoveries of different types were done separately and in different time points.
And black powder is shit for firearms. Its suited for explosives, rockets, pyrotechnic etc.
Of course there were black powder firearms, but until discovery of smokeless gunpowder they were mostly ineffective.
The most "effective" black powder firearms were Chinese rockets with arrows attached to them, or slave one shot rifles that essentially acted as shotguns.
>The most "effective" black powder firearms were Chinese rockets with arrows attached to them, or slave one shot rifles that essentially acted as shotguns.
Or needle gun.
>until discovery of smokeless gunpowder they were mostly ineffective.
Still more effective than steam powered.
ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch
Episode was great. Definite AOTS contender here.
I'm really digging the unique artstyle.
>zombie time they open it before
10/10 writing there
The animation is top notch, and it's beautiful. The setting is fun, a kind of meiji era steam powered one, and the characters aren't awful.
However, it has dumb things in it required to bring drama to the situation and these annoy the smarter watchers.
I predict this will be a runaway MAL/etc hit because they aren't smart enough to get annoyed by the dumb tropes
Fucking stop defending the second train-fiasco.
They should check EVERY train, regardless of the time of the arrival before letting it into the city. No wonder they are consistently losing stations this way.
This is worse though- it means that it's STANDARD PROCEDURE to just let the train in without stopping first.
All these dumb security failings make you wonder how there are any towns left at all, but at least it explains how they keep falling so quick, they're full of idiots.
But you're also supposed to feel bad for them, like it wasn't really their fault that it happened to them.
Well since comparisons can't be helped I might as well ask. Is this more or less dark than Titan, call me a pussy if you must but there is only so much of killing named characters I can take.
How do the zombies stick to the moving trains? How do they get inside? Do they just bite one of the retards waving their guns through the peeking holes and infect them? I always thought a train would be pretty safe during a zombie infestation
Well in the first episode a train filled with zombies explodes in the middle of town and they run around killing everyone. The MC gets bitten and has to hang himself so the infection doesn't reach his brain. He does survive though, he just has to hang himself long enough for the infection to disappear. So a bit darker than AoT maybe
They're super strong. If you don't shoot them off your train they'll eventually break in and start biting.
The shitty steam guns they have for no reason can't kill them, either.
Not like they don't have gunpowder. The suicide bag works with explosives, and the MC talks about explosives in his experimental gun. Or lack the ability to make early-20th century era rifles.
They could make mosin nagant style rifles and that would work against steel.
The steam guns exist for no reason other than to make the zombies seem stronger.
The people in this world are fucking retarded.
>>And if you have to stop it reaching the brain, why bother with riveting bits of metal to your arm and chest?
Did you notice how that successfully slowed it down?
He's fucking cute. 10/10 character design
When zombies are so durable that they can't be killed by normal weapons and they are able to attach themselves to a moving train no train should ever be allowed to actually enter the city.
Well it's people dying, being horribly killed by demonic creatures.
Women, children, etc. I mean you'd have to be an edgelord to not see that death is not nice.
This seems more like a problem of 'how much time did you spend'. I though 'oh he slowed it down' then in the next few seconds it started spreading to the rest of his body anyway.
Seems like he spent 20 minutes buying himself 20 minutes of time.
But you gotta do that since then the MC has a 'lol rivets in his chest' character design gimmick
>show that has lot of plot/setting holes
>people pick at shit that is actually fine
I'll never understand how you people even breathe. It was completely obvious that he was just trying every random thing he could think of to stop the infection, not that he had magical knowledge. Any thinking person would immediately try cauterization and tourniquets to stop the spread of a fleshbourne infection, it's not fucking rocket science. The metal rivets thing was stupid, he should have tried to amputate instead, but even then it's easy to see why he wouldn't.
If you're going to pick at something, try the retardedness of using steam for everything, or the massive security holes in the train stations, or whatever. God damn.
They're stupid, but they still think they have to feel superior to the anime, instead of just either enjoying or not watching it.
Part of the problem is that most newfags think /a/ is a big troll and shitposting context.
I thought he was going to immediately chop the arm off and we'd see an MC with like a steampunk artificial arm.
That would have been better than MC riveting a baby's cot to his torso and then getting into his auto-erotic asphyxiation machine
Still, we really are nitpicking, but that's needed so we can justify hating it when the plebs love it.
This sword is apparently made out of Kabane steel.
You know, I feel like if you were going to be alright with a cauterizing metal tourniquet and driving rivets through a metal plate into your shoulder you'd be alright with an amputation. Maybe I'm insane though.
There's also this scene.
There's a difference between removing the infection and letting it spread while you go rivet your rocking chair to your torso
And why did he have an erotic auto-asphyxiation machine lying around?
Really though it's not about hurting your arm, it should be going through agonizing pain that makes you not want to. Even still amputation seems like a safer bet and kind of turned out to be since most of his solutions didn't work.
>If you're going to pick at something, try the retardedness of using steam for everything, or the massive security holes in the train stations, or whatever
People have already done that dumbass
>Well it's people dying, being horribly killed by demonic creatures.
>Women, children, etc. I mean you'd have to be an edgelord to not see that death is not nice.
Or maybe it's not trying to portray it as black and white. It's doing the classic "upper class detatched from the working class" thing, which portays people as both deserving and undeserving of what they get. Looking for flaws in everything like you're doing is how you end up unable to enjoy anything.
It also makes you look pretentious.
Everyone is so obsessed with running away that they never actually bothered to create defensive measures that work. They have the three day rule for infections because they have never had an infection. The slightest threat would have destroyed the town and the rich would have run away leaving everyone else to die as the process endlessly repeats
>It's doing the classic "upper class detached from the working class" thing
I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to feel that any of the people that died deserved it, that's just you buddy.
They lowered the drawbridge because the train wasn't stopping.
You have to assume that this was standard practice, and the 'train arriving early' is why the drawbridge wasn't raised, even though early trains should be fairly common in a world where stations end up falling regularly.
When you add something to Taiga you're kind of forced to see that. MAL is absolute shit but it's at least useful for keeping track of what you've watched, if you use a third-party program.
The zombies can climb up moving trains. If a random zombie wanted over that wall it was getting over. The only way to stop it would to have guards shooting at it 24 hours a day until it finally gives up and leaves
So he didn't have a saw or suicide bag, or steel-peircing gun, or sharp knife anywhere, but he did have a piece of thick steel exactly shaped like his torso, a strangulation machine, like 50 belts, and his own personal steam riveting machine
>You have to assume that this was standard practice
in the beginning of the episode we see the first train come to a halt before the bridge is lowered.
the zombies die if you get a head shot you know, and the wall is amnned by a heap of guys with guns.
How is this fag leaping and shit with huge hunks of metal and bolts on his arm and lower back?
>in the beginning of the episode we see the first train come to a halt before the bridge is lowered.
This was the 'arrived early' train. While perhaps not a good excuse, it's a reasonable reason why the bridge would have been up when the train was there- they weren't expected so no-one was manning the bridge, for example.
>that's just you buddy.
That's conjecture, I never said my stance, only pointed out that the show isn't trying to paint the humans as pure little lambs.
Touche. I guess this is pretty obviously one of the big shitposting shows of the season.
he was a tinkerer, he had a bunch of random crap lying around. he obviously jury rigged a solution. Also keep in mind he is in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and people who lose their arms die of blood loss pretty quickly without medical attention.
When you watch 30 shows in a season because you just enjoy watching anime, it's useful to know where you are in everything. It's also good to know if you watched something in the past, and keeping a text file up-to-date is too much of a bother.
>first half is very promising
>then retarded shit starts happening
>convenient plot holes everywhere
>OP full of dumbshit action straight out of SnK
Right, so it's not black and white. Good to know we're on the same page.
>something to stem the blood loss
usually when that happens in movies or whatever it's someone else who puts the pressure on, since if you don't pass out from cutting a limb off, putting pressure on the wound will.
My biggest complaint is not that it worked, or that he managed to rig a machine to strangle himself while masturbating, but that there was no setup as to why he thought it would work. Even if the reason was complete shit, like him seeing someone else turn and mentally noting how the process happens.
They tease that he was doing zombie research, but they concentrated on weapons development in a 'how to kill them' way, not a 'how do they develop' kind of way.
It's also silly how he's literally the only one who sees that researching the zombies would be useful.
But riveting steel to himself without passing out, and then building a machine that can asphyxiate him without pulling his head off without passing out; completely fine.
His tolerance for pain is sky-high since he's the MC.
Can you remember perfectly everything you've eaten in the entire past week? Well, I can't. Keeping track of things you've done is useful if you don't trust your own memory.
MAL is terrible as you know and the only thing from it that's any useful is the list. I'll never ever touch the forums or reviews or whatever else they have holy fuck.
>but that there was no setup as to why he thought it would work
Do you know any basic biology, anon?
you don't seem to grasp how big a step up it is to go from getting stabbed to someone ripping off your freaking arm. I know limb loss is pretty normal in anime but it's still a cut way above normal injuries.
You can always watch Ressha Sentai ToQger.
actually pretty fun.
Hint: That artery goes to the brain.
Hell, you could have said, "Gee, I don't understand this, maybe it's important" and then noted to yourself that you're probably missing a bunch of foreshadowing. That's what good readers do.
I don't know, having fun watching all kinds of anime seems to be a pretty good standard. More people should try doing it instead of only picking 3 shows in a season, hating them all and saying that the industry is dying, you never know when there's a gem buried far under the sea.
That's actually pretty viable. OP seems to hint something like that too.
If you know anything about bullets you'll know that complaining about lead is fucking retarded.
Just tip the thing with steel.
And if you missed the other big plot element which was the MC's prototype gun, he was lacking velocity, not AP ammo. Guess what would have added velocity; that's right, gunpowder weapons.
hint: feudal gunpowder fucking sucked
your bias of nice clean modern weapons doesn't apply to the state of slapshod under-researched gunpowder development present in the show's world
>It's also silly how he's literally the only one who sees that researching the zombies would be useful.
Makes you wonder why more people in real life try to become basketball players instead of studying science, right?
they said lead not lead and gunpowder
lead's the only thing you can shoot with shitty gunpowder and no rifling
like anon said their gun development is stunted because they went full on steam for the sake of trains
Fuedal? This is meiji japan technology dude. IE: 1890-1900. Guess when the mosin nagant was made.
Anyway, riveting is a more recent technology than the mosin. Back then things were screwed, nuts and bolts, together. Riveting was an invention that happened more or less after ww1.
it's not following real history, you can't complain that things weren't developed in the right order in a show that doesn't take place in real history. the technological level is whatever they ant it to be.
>They can make rifled barrels.
yeah but they don't know about it
the bushi are literally using lead bullets
stop trying to frodo it anon, the world is just technologically different
eat the steampunk or watch something else
>lead's the only thing you can shoot with shitty gunpowder and no rifling
I suppose no-one considered that weapon development was very important in a world such as this one.
I mean, who wants to actually be safe from the zombie hordes?
Clearly not this universe.
>MUH BADASS MC
>>>>GREAT ART AND ANIMATION
Generic as hell, pure retardation, plot holes everywhere, literal train wreck.
This is what happens when you try to copy the success of other anime
you keep throwing this fidelity around but you haven't shown that they have any reason to consider, research, or know that they should care about these things
it's easy for a retarded autist like you to look in from the outside and say "but why don't they X?" and then I say "why didn't the greeks figure out germ theory?"
it's not, that was time lapse
are you all retarded?
>I suppose no-one considered that weapon development was very important in a world such as this one.
yeah and they got it: the bushi
did you even watch this show?
I guess I wasn't using my brain very well but I thought based on the subtitles that they were implying they used steam to propel the lead projectiles, otherwise it'd make no sense why they wouldn't just use gunpowder weapons.
Considering the theme being steampunk and trains, it seemed likely to me that the zombies would match it somehow.
I-I don't know if this is a compliment or not...
Ah yes, folded a 1000 times nippon banzai
I'm saying things that are stupid and people are calling me wrong for
Yes they are using steam to push projectiles. The MC complains in his own steam gun development that it can't pierce zombie hearts which as tough as steel plate.
But they use gunpowder in the suicide bags, and the MC uses 'explosives' in his prototype gun.
So they can make guns, and they can make gunpowder, but they never put the two together.
It was a cool watch, as long as you don't think too hard about it.
It's the definition of an anime that's entertaining, but every time you think about it you realize how many plotholes and how much retard magic is needed to make the setting even work.
it's not "completely ineffective", it's "mildly ineffective"
they don't exactly have zombie target subjects to test different bullets against
they're retarded and think it's magic because they're retarded
>I'm saying things that are stupid and people are calling me wrong for
but anon, you're also stupid
and by stupid I mean an illiterate retard
not necessarily just stupid but alternatively complacent and fearful
the ruling class imprisons people unnecessarily just to make spooks out of it you know
it's not hard to see why the world is the way it is
Not really plotholes, mostly the retard magic.
Everything bad that happens happens because people are stupid, all the solutions are dumb and only work because of anime asspull, etc.
The MC is literally Isaac from Dead Space.
>No but seriously
You think we're joking?
Shouldn't they have some kind of precaution to make sure that trains are not infected before entering? I mean holy fuck, the chances of such an event are far too high to take the risk. It's stupid that they just lower the bridge the moment they see a train coming. They could at least leave the bridge up first, check the train, and then let it in. Holy fuck I hate dumb writing.
Why don't someone use this principle to create offensive weapons?
So how exactly did he cure himself of the highly infectious virus by taking a bolt gun to his shoulder and lateral muscles and then crushing his larynx? The implication from their stated protocols earlier in the episode was that the virus would incubate over the course of several days.
I wonder where this will go. So far, a srict traditionalist society (something the Japanese love the fuck out of) is presented in a bad way, and it seems the scriptwriter is aware they are presenting it in a bad way. Now, will it be the critique up to the end or move towards acceptance?