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>is suicidal >has no reason to live >is still afraid

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>is suicidal
>has no reason to live
>is still afraid to die
>gets manipulated by a computer virus into killing herself for its sake

How is Motoko "badass" again? She strikes me as a very vulnerable individual whose insecurities are taken advantage of, and the more she tries to justify her behavior with sophisms, the more it weakens her. All her actions are driven by fear and angst to the point where it's the only thing that still defines her as a living being, and she throws that away because a computer vampire promises her to make it all better.
Really not the shining example of no-fucks-given rugged bravery her fanboys would have us believe.
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>>139742127

I take it this is the new storylines in Arise?

They kind of lost me after the whole "cyberized as a fetus" origin story. To each their own though.
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>>139742251
No it's the storyline of the movie.

I also gave up on Arise at the same point. It's the kind of backstory you should give to a villain, not to a protag even if she's edgy.
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>>139742308
>>139742251

And I mean, the Oshii movie.
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>>139742127
>is suicidal
>has no reason to live
>is still afraid to die

What makes you think that?

>into killing herself for its sake
It's more like they merged, sort of.
Neither of them died and neither of them stayed the same.
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>>139742127
fuck off to /co/
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>>139742778
She's suicidal, she takes huge risks when she goes diving and puts herself in danger all the time.
>neither of them died
Oh, so you let the creepy vampire convince you too?
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>>139742127
Motoko is /r9k/ incarnate
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she's hot and cool
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>>139742308
>>139742347

Wow, it's been years--I stand corrected, thank you.

And yes, it does make for a decidedly eye-rolling origin story.
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>>139743010
You mean she's a robot AND a big baby?
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>>139742907
She isn't suicidal.
It's been a few years since I watched the movie but that wasn't the impression I got.

More like she was contemplating her own identity. Like what makes you you and that sort of stuff. Which is why she merged with the AI.

>Oh, so you let the creepy vampire convince you too?
The ending of the movie did imply neither of them died though.


I guess now I have to rewatch it again.
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>>139743294
of course
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>>139742127
Movie Motoko ! = SAC Motoko

Though yes, she was strikingly vulnerable in the film. Not suicidal though, just deeply contemplative.
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>>139743326
The dialogue is pretty neutral, but all her introspection is presented in a very gloomy light. I mean literally, the movie is gloomy as fuck compared to the manga, even visually.
Like the dialogue comes off as very stilted and unrealistically serious, until you realize that Motoko is just depressed as fuck and afraid of what she's been turned into, and that the movie's style is supposed to convey the horror of her condition.
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>>139743486
Deeply contemplative to the point where she almost lets herself drown and doesn't bat an eye when a tank mutilates her ?
Nah mate she's straight up suicidal.
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>>139743617
>and afraid of what she's been turned into
true. But i wouldn't call her depressed, just gloomy.
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>>139743682
eh, "gloomy" is mostly just a more colloquial way of saying "depressed".
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>>139743745
I don't think you have ever been depressed or seen a depressed person in real life.
Depression is much more severe, chances are most people claiming to be depressed, irl or on the internet are just sad.

She is just lost, which is why she is so gloomy.
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>>139743876
depressed =/= depressive.

But the fact that she shows little concern for her own safety, never seems to find solace in anything, and has long-winded existential arguments with her only friends instead of having fun with them, is indicative of some serious mental trouble. Which is totally understandable.
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>>139743998
>indicative of some serious mental trouble
Again, I don't disagree. But to say suicidal? That's taking it a bit far.
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>>139744054
Well, clinically suicidal people aren't afraid to die at all, unlike Motoko, so I would agree that she's not suicidal in the clinical sense of the term, but she does seem to be in that "what's the point of going on?" phase many people go through.
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>>139743998
>long-winded existential arguments with her friends
>not fun
Pleb
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>>139743375
I see I see.
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>>139744784
what in the name of all fuck..
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>>139744784
DELETE THIS!!!
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