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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I might not be the greatest actor, but I walk into every project willing to work hard.
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So, yeah. RtK.
In the end, the only real statement I care to make about RtK, is you either
>spend a bunch of time with RtK, learning only the general english meaning of the kanjis concept, without any readings or context for it, which may or may not help you learn faster in the long run
vs
>spend a bunch of time studying actual japanese from a vn or whatever

If you think the former will work for you go ahead.
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Have you done your reps yet, anon?
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>30 minutes to do anki reps before they reset

i am so fucked
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>>139722873
Or just use a deck that has vocab/readings in it and do vocab at a faster pace alongside/after RTK. Plus RTK is primarily for handwriting and gives you an extremely strong visual grasp on every kanji you see. Almost every card failed is reading-related for me (usually a new reading I'm still getting down or a really weird reading). Both are fine. Don't be a retard.
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>霊視商法
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>>139723062
why do you niggers let it get like this
http://www.pcgeek.info/fokasu/

I use this shit everyday now and finish in a few hours. I have too much spare time and I should just go read VNs but I just do nothing but waste time instead of doing work. I have 400-500 cards pop up a day pretty much but its nothing if I stick to this.
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whats with the hostility my family just pop in some nujabes and go with the flow
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>>139722598
There's nothing "simple" about half-page-long "mnemonics" about dancing dandelions on flying bacon strip carpets barrel rolling through clouds, which chain off three previously-used mnemonics.

I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them. I use keyword+radical breakdown to kanji now, learn vocab to help key my recall, and only spend time developing mnemonics for the leeches. You know ... a balanced, non-autistic approach.
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Is the kanjidamage deck any useful? And if so, is it on the guide? I can't seem to find it.
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>>139722873
Why would you leave out the obvious? A huge part of Remember the Kanji 1 and 3 is being able to recall and write kanji from memory. Is it the entire point of going keyword→kanji.
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20 new cards a day of core6k
30 new cards a day of Kanji damage
20 new cards a day of Tae Kim vocab

mfw
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>>139723265
>using Heisig's mnemonics instead of using koohii or making your own
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>>139723379
impressive desu
but are you a newfag? try doing that when you have 100s of reviews each day
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Reminder that the oxford comma is mandatory and if you don't use it then you're either a stingy journalist, someone who fell for the journalists' propaganda, or a retarded ESL applying the rules of your own language to english errantly.
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>>139723162
So is this the new thing now? Last I heard it was all about 25min on, 5min off intervals.
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>>139723456
He probably has his reviews limited to 100 like an idiot
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>>139723265
>I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them
This is a strawman.
https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/2012/12/RK-1-6th-edition-sample.pdf
>Now the odd thing is not that this occurs, but rather that, instead of openly admitting one’s distrust of purely visual memory, one accuses oneself of a poor memory or lack of discipline and keeps on following the same routine. Thus, by placing the blame on a poor visual memory, one overlooks the possibility of another form of memory that could handle the task with relative ease: imaginative memory.
>By imaginative memory I mean the faculty to recall images created purely in the mind, with no actual or remembered visual stimuli behind them. When we recall our dreams we are using imaginative memory. The fact that we sometimes conf late what happened in waking life with what occurred merely in a dream is an indication of how powerful those imaginative stimuli can be. While dreams may be broken up into familiar component parts, the composite whole is fantastical and yet capable of exerting the same force on perceptual memory as an external stimulus. It is possible to use imagination in this way also in a waking state and harness its powers for assisting a visual memory admittedly ill-adapted for remembering the kanji.

>>139723298
There is a link to the official kanji damage deck on the kanjidamage website homepage.

>>139723445
If you had any experience at all with Remember the Kanji book one, you would be aware that you are supposed to create your own mnemonics and the ones provided up to a point in the book a merely suggestions. The entire point of
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>>139723640
I tried creating my own for most of them and sometimes was able to make a pretty good one, but most of the time the koohii stories stuck much better than the ones I was able to come up with.

>If you had any experience at all with Remember the Kanji book one
I finished RTK over half a year ago.
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>>139723640
i guess its a open and shut case boys i pasted a bunch of text
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>>139723747
>I finished RTK over half a year ago.
Without bothering to pay attention to what was written in the book.

>>139723772
That was taken directly from the introduction of the text you were trying to misrepresent.
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害虫ども、せいぜい足掻くがいい
誰が毒壺の蓋から這い出してくるのか
誰がヴァルハラに魂を送られるのか
興味ぶかくてたまらない
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>>139723882
Piss off idiot.
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>>139723820
i dont represent anything besides myself also that was my 1st post in the thrad
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>>139723456
Only week 2.

I had 217 reviews today. The decks sometimes overlap with each other though so It's not as bad.

I can dedicate at least 4 hours to learning before needing a break.
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I realized I have 40 weeks left in core 6k if I go the pace I am going now at 15 words a day. If I jump up to 20 words a day, I could be done in 30 weeks.

How soon till y'all are done with core 6k?

>>139723640
>By imaginative memory I mean the faculty to recall images created purely in the mind, with no actual or remembered visual stimuli behind them.
Some of us are autistic losers who can't visualize things in our head.

t. autistic loser who can't visualize things in his head
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>>139723820
I did read what was written in the book. RTK worked very well for me and it still does. The mnemonics other people came up with simple stuck a lot easier than the ones I was able to come up with even if I kept trying to adjust my own mnemonic. Not sure what you're taking issue with here. His word isn't absolute law, if someone else's mneomics are working leaps and bounds better than my own for a kanji, there's no reason to stubbornly keep trying to make my own mnemonic stick, it's a waste of energy and isn't going to improve anything (based on my personal experience). Plus a lot of the time the koohii story was more or less what I came up with anwyays.
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>>139723820
>Without bothering to pay attention to what was written in the book.
You extremely overestimate people anon. Remember: people are stupid. Fact.
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>>139723920
>i dont represent anything besides myself
Pardon? I was responding this this strawman here: >>139723265
>I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them. I use keyword+radical breakdown to kanji now, learn vocab to help key my recall, and only spend time developing mnemonics for the leeches. You know ... a balanced, non-autistic approach.
Which was referring to RtK.

>>139723948
>Some of us are autistic losers who can't visualize things in our head.
What happens when you read a book?
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>>139724075
>everyone but me is stupid
No u.
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There's nothing funnier than when RTK advocates act like Heisig's book is a scientific source
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>>139724124
>What happens when you read a book?
I read words. If I want a movie, I watch a movie.

I was basically an English major anyways, I can't read without overanalyzing the language to begin with.
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>>139724153
It's called accurate representation.
I'd defend kanji damage or tae kim or whatever else if some cretin was trying make a strawman out of those as well.
Intellectually dishonesty is repulsive.
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>>139723918
You failed items H, N and K. Please delete your post.
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>>139724263
What about WaniKani?
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>>139724138
>>but me
Who are you quoting?
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>>139724252
>I read words. If I want a movie, I watch a movie.
I mean what happens in your head? If you can't visualise scenes and imagery, what happens?


>>139724303
Same thing: if people are deliberately misrepresenting something for the sake of rhetoric, they can fuck off. Destructive ideas should not be left unchallenged to become cancerous memes.
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>>139724382
But isn`t WK just another kind of dishonesty? You can do a lot more with anki than with the paid WK, and pretending otherwise in these threads is just dumb.
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Just starting. Is this a good way to learn the kana? I plan to do two old and one new every half hour or so.
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>>139724382
>If you can't visualise scenes and imagery, what happens?
I process words? If you read a stop sign, do you have to visualize yourself stopping the car to actually do it? It's not that hard to understand.

RTK just isn't the right method for everyone. I was taxing too much mental power to the task of trying to visualize mnemonics when I could have just been studying repetitively until I noticed patterns and retained the visual information. I had basically ended up studying how to study RTK, where kanji was a side effect instead of the end goal.
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>>139724590
FIFTY TIMES
IN YOUR MOTHERFUCKING
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>>139724504
>But isn`t WK just another kind of dishonesty?
Not that I understand.
>You can do a lot more with anki than with the paid WK
They are entirely different things, though.
>and pretending otherwise in these threads is just dumb
There is a difference between representing something accurately and promoting it, anon. I would never recommend WK to anyone but I would also never try to make WK look like something it isn't.

>>139724591
>It's not that hard to understand.
I'm finding it quite difficult actually. How would you read a page of text describing a scene without visualising the scene in your mind?

>RTK just isn't the right method for everyone.
Never suggested it was.
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>>139724675
Probably gonna repeat them, of course. I tried Namasensei's way but I just zoned out and wrote the lines without actually internalizing what they meant.
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>>139723162
>implying my mental fortitude can hold up for 52 minutes

you overestimate me anon
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>>139724722
ITT: "I don't understand your experiences so you must be lying"
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>>139724590
http://japanese-lesson.com/resources/pdf/characters/hiragana_writing_practice_sheets.pdf

Print this and fill it up.
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>>139723948
>t. autistic loser who can't visualize things in his head
How do you even think then? Can you even recall what a tree looks like?
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>>139723640
the official kanjidamage deck is shit, i use the kanjidamage plus deck and its a lot better. i don't have a link though unfortunately
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>>139724813
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>>139723162
>http://www.pcgeek.info/fokasu/
What is this?
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>>139724922
Not asking about the mnemonics. I just don't understand how you can even get through the day if you don't see anything whatsoever in your mind.
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>>139725033
He said nothing of the sort.
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>>139725067
>can't visualize things in his head
I literally just rephrased exactly what he said.
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>>139725180
Your rephrasing completely changes the meaning.
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>>139725219
can't visualize=can't see anything
in your head=in your mind
The "whatsoever" was for emphasis. I want to know if he really can't see anything, which is what he made it sound like.
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>>139725390
This might surprise you but "things" and "anything" are not synonyms.
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>>139725423
So what, he meant that he just specifically couldn't see giraffes and peanut butter, but could see brooms just fine?
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>>139723948
>>How soon till y'all are done with core 6k?

kek, literally just under a year at this rate. what the fuck does one do after completing it though? will you be able to read mostly everything afterwards?
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>arguing over english instead of talking about japanese

>daily joke thread
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>>139725497
If you want me to explain the difference between "I can't visualize things" and "I can't visualize anything" then I can.
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>>139725557
Go ahead. He didn't say "some things"; he said "things" in general. If I say I don't like tomatoes, I mean I don't like any tomatoes. It's the same thing.
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The best thing I ever did was 100 words/day of Core6k for a month before then dropping it entirely. Not because it did wonders for my vocabulary, but because I realized sooner than later the importance of actual reading and mining words relevant to you instead of forcing newspaper words into your head with no context.
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>>139725680
>Go ahead. He didn't say "some things"; he said "things" in general.
Doesn't matter.
>If I say I don't like tomatoes, I mean I don't like any tomatoes. It's the same thing.
It means you don't like tomatoes in general, not that you don't like /any/ tomato.

"Things" specifically allows exceptions, especially in places that are not related to the statement. "I don't like tomatoes" doesn't instantly mean you hate pizza. It can, but it doesn't have to. A sassy parent might say that to their kid after they say they don't like tomatoes, but that's just the parent being difficult.

"I don't like any tomato" means that tomato products are necessarily included in your dislike, regardless of whether that dislike may be weaker or stronger.

The relationship between "things" and "anything" is the same. I can say "I can't memorize things" in a conversation about studying school subjects, but then go home and read hours upon hours of technical computer science information and retain it with no difficulty at all, and there's no contradiction there. If I said "I can't memorize anything", then it would necessarily be a statement about my ability to commit things to memory in general, even if I were exaggerating.
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>>139724940
push start and study until time is up
52 mins work, 17 minutes break
its scientifically proven to be productive or some shit
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>>139725500
After you finish 6k, you start mining. There are tens of thousands of words and phrases you need to know to read comfortably.
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>>139723948
Finished it already. がんばって

>>139725500
You'll be in a good position but not able to read anything. You should start a mining deck afterwards.
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>>139725795
What are you doing anon?
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>>139725858
also things is like a totally loaded word in the native english vernacular
it can mean whatever the hell you want it to mean desu
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>>139724787
>so you must be lying
I quite literally asked you direct questions so I could understand where you are coming from. I didn't call you a liar, I admitted my incredulity and as a response asked for clarity. I just want to understand you, man.
Why is it so hard to open up a big of dialogue on /a/?
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>>139725962
>you
here we go again
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>>139725795
Nice anon, though the number mature is very small. How much time every day is that?
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>>139725948
Came across some old images posted by a passing wizard who once visited these threads and decided to put them together in a single image because it looks amusing in an unbelievable manner. Anons called him "whelpくん".
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>>139725772
heres a word relevant to you あほんだら
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>>139725999
Just trying to understand another anon.
Not everything has to be antagonistic.
What do people have against discussion?
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>>139726031
Did he just spend eight hours a day grinding anki? How did it turn out for him?
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>>139726095
they aint got shit to say otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcv5Ma8u8k
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>>139725883
>tens of thousands
You don't need to know tens of thousands before you can read comfortably. 8,000-10,000 is enough to read the vast majority of materials without a texthooker.
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>>139725772
You know what I hate about core that nobody ever says? It doesn't tell you multiple meanings of shit.
Corefags think they can read but can they read this basic vocab sentence?
あのネェちゃん、よっぽどアンちゃんを買っているか、信頼してるらしいな。
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>>139726031
Amusing? Dude had 12k+ answers in one day, no way that`s legit.
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>>139726208

I believe it. If I had that much free time I think my stats would be similar.
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>>139726182
>Corefags
What's with the hostility recently between everyone?
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>>139726208
>I can't read graphs
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>>139726120
He quit.
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>>139726120
>Did he just spend eight hours a day grinding anki?
Here is the last image of have, not sure if he posted any more.
>How did it turn out for him?
No idea. We were joking about setting out in to the mountains to become a language learning monk.
Sort of faded into obscurity.

>>139726208
It was legit. You are misreading the states: that is cumulative, not daily.

>>139726135
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcv5Ma8u8k
Prefer this myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWTfl4MJ1c
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>>139726264
have you ever seen the atmosphere in a ghetto among people

tensions rise among a community of have-nots
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>>139726305
You're just making that up.
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私わ日本です
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>>139726374
吾輩は日本でござる
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>>139726325
>It was legit. You are misreading the states: that is cumulative, not daily.
Stupid me. Still, 2400 answers on one day is impressive.
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>>139725858
>"I don't like any tomato" means that tomato products are necessarily included in your dislike
No it doesn't. No one but you and equally pedantic faggots would think that. It refers to tomatoes specifically, not tomato products and anything that might have one in it. If I wanted to say I hate literally anything with a shred of tomato in it I wouldn't use the word for the plant itself.

>I can say "I can't memorize things" in a conversation about studying school subjects, but then go home and read hours upon hours of technical computer science information and retain it with no difficulty at all
You can, but you wouldn't, because that's a vague and useless sentence unless you have more context since it would hold true for anyone. It's within the realm of possibility that the anon really can't visualize anything and he didn't mention anything in particular that would lead you to believe he was talking about some specific kind of things, other than perhaps those that you would find in a mnemonic. That at the very least makes it ambiguous what he really meant, and in my opinion makes it more likely he really did mean anything.

I'll concede that the some goes for "I don't like tomatoes", in that it may, depending on context, be reasonably interpreted as meaning that I don't like most of the tomatoes I've had, but it could just as well be meant in the other way.
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>>139726374
我わ北海道でss

こんんいちわせんぱい
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>>139726374
>>139726406
>>139726633
はいもしもし
三人のバカがいるんですけど
はい今は何も知らんみたいです どうすればいいんですか?
そのままほっとけって?
末期だからしょうがない?

「踊りを見ていただくだけでいい?」
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I'm going to fill my 2 3tb external HDDs with Anki installation files and fucking shove them up my fucking asshole.
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>>139727052
lmao i actually laughed good post
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Just started reading Yotsubato and I'm already confused. What the fuck are ろー and ぞー supposed to mean? Jisho doesn't have an answer and I don't know where else to look for the meanings of things like this.
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>>139726527
Yeah.
Pity outliers like that don't pop up in these threads more frequently.
Seeing shit like that in action was both bizarre and at the same time strangely motivational. The embodiment of "do your fucking reps".
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>>139727318
if i see this page in djt 1 more fuckin time i swear to god

steam literally shooting out of my ears in real life
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>>139727318
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>>139727318
ろー
略:労働基準法
ぞー
略:憎悪
よつば is a fucking weird but adorable little kid.
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>>139727318
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>>139727318
Is this a real question?
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>>139727555
>getting smugger by the day

SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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Guys thanks for arguing over my autism but really I just meant I have trouble with creativity and visualizing new things.

I know what a tree looks like because I've seen trees.

If you asked me to visualize a tree with fish hanging from it that a man is catching with a basket while wearing a crown and having one peg leg, and then ask me to think of this image for a minute to remember the way a single kanji is written, truly FEELING the image and imagining myself there, I would be lost. The best I could manage is a crude drawing akin to a 4 year old's art project hung on the refrigerator.

Not that I am literally braindead and a walking husk of a man just coming to /a/ so I can culturally immerse myself in compelling content like porn games.
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>>139727587
Is there any other kind of question? I'm not gonna complain if I don't get an answer because I guess this shows up constantly so I'm sure I'll figure it out somehow.
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>>139726808
>三人
お前の書いてることを見たらそれを「四人」に訂正してもいいんじゃないかと思う
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>>139727445
I missed this shit show and the stupid fucking memes that spawned from it. /a/ was never as entertaining as when CG was airing.
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>>139727694
>there will never be a meme as good as spinzaku
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>>139727587
That's nothing:
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/36841091/#36841091

>>139727662
To be honest I feel pretty bad for you man but I guess we all have our burdens to carry.
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>>139727395
>>139727445
>>139727471
>>139727555
>>139727587
So is it just meaningless crap attached to the end to be cute or what? I looked up ろ and ぞ but ろ didn't have shit and ぞ doesn't fit the context. I'd appreciate any resource I could use to answer dumb questions like this myself, or someone just telling me to ignore them and figure it out over time.

>>139727681
What's the purpose of impersonating me?
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>>139727681
Honestly wasn't sure if you were baiting or what.>>139727738

>>139727749
Jesus. If someone's going to try to understand moonrunes by literally translating everything into English they're going to have a shit time.
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>>139727662
I don't visualize shit. I just recognize radicals/primitives and recall whatever story is associated with the kanji. Most of my mnemonics consist of pants on head retarded shit that makes no sense. I swear, like half of the ones I've written are just the name of the primitives in order, then the meaning of the vocab/kanji with no real story to connect them. This special type of autism works for me.
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>>139722796
Could I grab the attention of a few anons?
https://a.uguu.se/sroqti_%E3%81%8C-Copy.pdf
Above is an example of one of the concepts from the DoJG (basic volume) which has had its respective image from the DoJG Anki deck converted to text, added to the DoJG.pdf. It lacks the key sentence and example sentence letter labels, so pretend they are there as I'm going to add them as I go.

I've converted a few dozen concepts so far and are going to start adding them batches, but haven't got a format laid out. The docx version of the DoJG.pdf I am using is done really well, everything properly in styles, so I used two pre-existing styles; one for the 【Notes】/【Related Expression】and one for the body of the Notes text, so tweaking that is just a matter of tweaking the styles.

Question on the format: if that okay for the Notes section or is there a more ideal layout?
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>>139727855
Yotsuba Reader Pack/Japanese: The Manga Way
だろ = だろう
ぞ = emphasis (men)
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>>139727855
ー is long vowels
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>>139728031
Thank you.
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>>139727855
Man, do you even rikaisama?
そうだろう


Pretty sure you can figure this one out.
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>>139728081
That's いち・ー, anon.
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>>139727738
I tried to get excited about Spinaroli but it really wasn't the same.

>>139727855
It's really just a really informal way of speaking. You can't really attach it to everything...and as someone that grew up hearing it, its really hard to explain.

〜だろ is usually attached at the end of a sentence when you're seeking agreement

So in your example, そうだろう = that's right (there are a lot of houses aren't there?).

〜ぞ is just for emphasis. Like 〜ね, except that's more fem.
Again, if you're going to try to understand nips by making every translation literal you're going to have a bad time.
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>>139728138
Why are you spoonfeeding anon when there are multiple grammar guides directly and indirectly linked to in the Guide which is in the OP?
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>>139728110
No, you moron. It's just stupid manga-nip where they freely mix katakana and hiragana. ソー=そうetc
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>>139728184
So salty. No need to be petty all the time.
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>>139728138
>and as someone that grew up hearing it, its really hard to explain
It's hard to start using endings out loud too as a foreigner in Japan, because I feel like I'm having to copy Japanese people instead of actually speaking myself, and it never comes out naturally.

Even adding a よ at the end makes me feel like I'm trying too hard to make up for my shitty oral skills.
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>>139728210
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>>139728210
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>>139728360
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>>139728264
Nips are pretty forgiving towards foreigners trying to speak their language. I'd say don't think too much about sounding stupid and forced and use them when you think it's right. It's pretty nuanced, but it's something you'll pick up the longer you're there.
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>>139728456
That applies pretty much anywhere in the world. It`s really dumb to get pissed at a foreigner for not knowing your native language perfectly.
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>listen to japanese radio
>they're playing stevie wonder
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>>139728677
I've had the worst experience with French speakers in Montreal. Then again, all Quebecois are shit.
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>>139728456
It's personal embarrassment, not worried about others so much. Which is why I really only bother speaking Japanese when I'm drunk.

>>139728677
>what is America

>>139728755
I started listening to JWave because ego-wrappin said they would be on it, but nearly everything they play is western. It's a bit disconcerting, since I want to find 昭和青春歌。
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>>139728757
Weren`t they mistaking you for a native that didn`t know french?

>>139728815
>>what is America
Niggers maybe. Otherwise, you`re fine.
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>>139728757
As a Québecois, I can confirm.
You can drive 30 minutes and not be able to understand people.

Montréal's frenglish is easy though, you're a puss.
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>>139728210
Anon is was an obvious joke. Hover over the post with Rikaisama.

>>139728250
Not salty at all, just wondering why you posted that instead of linking to the guide which has grammar resources written by people who explain these things a lot better, with ample examples.

>>139728264
Might sound like strange advice but getting into the habit of mindlessly mimicking and blurting out lines and chunks of speech from male characters in Japanese movies can help you become more used to vocalising and slipping in those sorts of things without really thinking about it.
For a shitty anecdote early last year I had a random conversation with a Japanese guy at an airport lounge who was taken back when the person I was waiting for arrived shortly after and I took my jacket and beanie off and started talking to the other person in English, because he only just realised I was a foreigner, which was really amusing for some reason. That was basically on the back of watching a shitload of Japanese movies and chatting with people online, with next to no speaking conversation experience.
With small talk it isn't all that hard because conversations are predictable as shit most of the time. Like a lot of things, really: the more you think about it the harder it is to do.

Bars are a great place for conversation "practice" as drunk Japanese guys don't usually give a fuck if you sound stupid and younger guys will probably be amused just by the fact that you exist.
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>>139728360
pretty kawaii

Too bad I can't tolerate most VN writing even if the girls are kawaii as fuck
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>>139729306
Shame about those unfortunate tumours on her chest. You just know that it is going to end in tragedy.
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For those who watch raw anime, what was the first series you watched? And did you watch it with Japanese subs or nothing at all?
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>>139728869
>mistaking you for a native that didn`t know french?
Hard to do when I obviously look Asian.

>>139728965
Frenglish is easy. Understanding them is English, but I was taking French at the time and wanted to practice. Most were dicks and would rather speak to me in English worse than my French.

I did pick up some stupid shit like tabarnak and putain.
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>>139729306
Yeah it's pretty mediocre. I've been mostly reading it on the side because it just wasn't too compelling to me most of the time. I'm liking this route quite a bit more than the others so far (aside from how heavy of an emphasis it has on H scenes, but the other routes have that problem too and it's a problem with moege in general since that's what sells), but I didn't really like the other routes.
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>>139729797
them is easy* 2late4muhbrain
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>>139729635
Watched だがしかし last season with Japanese subs. After I catch up on last season's shows probably I'm gonna do 2 with Japanese subs this season and 1 with no subs. Maybe more depending on how that goes.

I'm also re-watching shows while doing vocab reviews (currently Toradora). I said it a thread or two ago, but if you're at the point where you can read moege fairly well, I'd highly recommend it. You've already seen it, so there's no need to worry about ruining it, and you have context and memories to go off of to help you understand it.
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>>139729797
Aren`t there a ton of natives who look asian over there?
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>>139729985
Mostly viets or viet chinese. Next to 0 native nips.
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>>139729972
holy crap i finally got the pun with だがしかし that took way too long
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>>139729822
People seemed to like Lovely Cation 2 (same artist) but it's still just about chasing girls
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>>139729972
Where do you get your nip subs from? Nyaa or..?
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I take breaks in new cards after every 100 new cards to catch up and cement past knowledge, i hope you do too
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>>139730138
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F
Most of them are timed to TV broadcasts with ads and stuff, so you'll have to shift them after the OP, eyecatch, and ED. You'll have to look at the sub file and calculate the time difference between the first line of the section in the audio and the sub file and adjust it accordingly with f1/f2 in MPC.

You can also texthook MPC if you're using a 32bit version of MPC, so it can be used with http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk for easy lookups (once a line displays once, the texthooker won't pick it up again, at least in my experience).
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>>139730059
whats the pun? i just downloaded anki today btw ;^)
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>>139730269
機巧少女は傷つかない

>>139730299
ありがとう!
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>>139730299
Not him, but thanks!
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>>139730138
花より男子, 超力戦隊オーレンジャー, 快傑ズバット and 木更津キャッツアイ.
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>>139730138
Most likely http://kitsunekko.net/ it is about the only place to get Japanese subs. Most of them are timed to raws, which includes commercials, so the timing is all messed up. Look for ones that are from DVDs or BluRays or sometimes you can find ones timed to Commie or other sub group releases.

On Nyaa search for Kamigami. Most of their releases have Japanese subs.
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Speaking of texthookers, does anyone know a good version for Mac OSX 10.6.8? Kanjitomo requires an update but all past that 6 year old OS are trash and I don't want to update just to make mining decks easier.
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>>139730269

I also recommend this, the dialogue is simple and sparse, and you get to relax and watch cute cats for 40 minutes.
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>>139730120
The art is fine and there are good moege / relationship focused VNs, Seikishi is just boring to read.
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So with the core 2k/6k optimized in Anki is there a way to basically extract those cards or a way to read them in just a simple text format outside of Anki in the order that it presents them? or maybe some other software that has the same cards? I think my issue with Anki is I have learned roughly 300 or so words from it so far, Kanji or otherwise, but I'd like to somehow be able to just view ALL those words at once in a list just to kinda do a recap trough all of them one by one, if I already know them it wouldn't take very long anyway and it's a good refresher and a way to see all of the ones I've studied at a glance.

I have words that won't show up again for another 31+ days, so I won't see those for a while, and yeah even if I know them it's just nice to have a list where I can just scan all 300 that I (should) already know in one quick sitting.
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出来ない
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If you can't understand this you don't know Japanese.
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>>139730306
だが しかし
だがし かし

>>139730951
where's the hard part?
Also you're about to get a lot of hate in the /jp/ thread
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>About to start my reps
>my iPhone isn't on anymore even though it had more than 50% battery
>it's not turing on even when plugged in
>tried a hard reset but nothing happened
>won't be able to fap to compelling content on bed
I guess washing my phone with the tap everyday after coming home eventually would end like this.
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So how unreliable is kanjidamage?

Please give me an objective answer that has nothing to do with your personal opinion of the website.
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>>139731075
>iPhone
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>>139731065
>Also you're about to get a lot of hate in the /jp/ thread
Why? Surely their taste isn't that bad?
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>>139731075

>iCuck

I know what pronoun you use to refer to yourself.
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>>139731151
>>139731211
It was a present, no complaints other than anki costing 25 dollars.
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>>139731151
>hating on iPhones
>implying they're inherently bad products

I bet you're one of those "LOL PHUCK APLE THER SO SHIT" faggots
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>>139727318
weird i literally just started reading this 30 min ago as well. i don't think the dashes mean anything its just making the sound longer
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>>139731247
No I just don't buy overpriced, locked-down, shitty ecosystem phones.
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>>139727683
もしかして悪口を言うことですか
ごめん全然感じなかった

侮辱なのはもっと激しくて厳しくてマジで威圧的な感じだよ

>>139728250
a bunch of shit bag posts is an important part of any serious japanese learners arsenal i think

>>139728264
its actually worse in your own head probably because of how gaijins split up parts of speech. just let it flow itll be fine dude

>>139728972
+1

>>139730059
this is the most learning ive seen here all week 経験おめ

>>139730951
閉じる

>>139731247
i think its cool to not financially support companies you dont like by not buying their products dude relax free market is dope af
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The cost of Anki on iPhone is retard tax for buying an iPhone.
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>>139730951
>If you can't understand Japanese you don't know Japanese
wow who knew
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>>139731376
>think people are memeing
>check the app store
>it's actually $25 for a fucking flashcard app

I don't mind supporting the dev for Anki but Jesus
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>>139731376
>not supporting your god
Donate and keep 出来ない away.
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>>139731311
>This same argument again
They're mid-tier phones. Pretty, well designed, easy-to-use, and well optimized for their purpose of feeding the general public.

There's nothing wrong with them. Not everyone wants to root their phone and flash 20 billion roms, you know.

Forcing your supposed superiority on people just because you personally don't use an iPhone just makes you look like an ignorant faggot.

>>139731321
This is a good answer that I respect. Rock on bro, wanna できない together later?
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>>139731474
>Not everyone wants to root their phone and flash 20 billion roms, you know

Oh nice this retarded argument again.

Don't get mad at me because you're shitty with technology.
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>>139731425
Be thankful to the iFags. They pay for the servers so the rest of us can sync.
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>>139731473
I support my god by buying a bitlaser to shine in the eyes of the heathens and to enlighten my studying abilities.
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>>139731519
I probably designed your phone, dude.
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>>139730951
i understood every individual word but still had no clue what that is saying
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>>139731519

This is a fake filename. Nisekoi was not around in the 127 era. How did this picture ever get named this?
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>>139731537
I probably gave birth to you dude
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>>139731321
>ことですか
>感じなかった
>侮辱なのは
www
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>>139731649
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>>139731608
It's pretty heavy spoilers for the game so it's probably better that way
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I love the design of the iphone. Apple can really nail a design. Too bad about the rest of it.
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>>139731608
に means として. 思うがあまり means "from (because of) thinking too much".
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>>139731676
Pretty sure it was a joke dude, you need to chill out.
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>>139731819
Blame the faggots who can't see the word iPhone without sperging about it.
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>>139731321
>+1
What?
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>>139731862
makes a lot of sense just from 思うがあまり
but thats not in any dictionary ive ever seen
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>>139731995
>list reasons why people don't like Apple
>t-those d-don't count g-g-guys!!!!
>you're ignorant!!!

Nah fuck off.
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>>139732047
Maybe you've seen stuff like 緊張のあまり and 思うがまま though.
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>>139731676
I mean, you're here too?
And notice how my low quality shitpost here got 5 times the replies my well thought out, heart-filled review got over there.
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>>139732167
Nah I haven't. It kinda clicks after being told it though
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>>139727983
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>>139732181
>my well thought out, heart-filled review got over there.

Yeah, people don't tend to care and immediately respond to reviews of older games.
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私の未来が不安です
もう26歳なのにまだ大学を卒業していないんですよ
私どうなっかうのかな
いい仕事見つけることはもう不可能かな
もう遅いかな
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I there a database with how many H scenes are in each route in a VN? Is it on EGS and I'm just blind? The tags aren't always used on vndb and are sometimes kind of vague, and I don't really want to look at the CGs on sadpanda before reading it.
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>>139732659
ダメ人間だろう
僕らと一緒だ
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>>139730601
guys pls help
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>>139732478
Also when it came out Hadler complained about the prose and suddenly /jp/ hated everything Shimokura
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>>139732659
私もけど、大丈夫です
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>>139732659
>が
やっぱり不可能だなお前には
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>>139732827
I think people saw it and just didn't want to help because they knew if they told you it was a bad idea and to not bother then they'd have to get into a debate with you over it.

Just don't fret about it. Let Anki do its thing. If you're worried about mature card retention, then just try to get your cards as close to 20 day intervals without going over and then let them pass to the 22-24 day intervals if you feel you know them well enough.
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>>139732853
>流転
hmm whats this mean
>vicissitudes
what the fuck is vicissitudes? I think I have a better idea just guessing from the kanji
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Hello yes when can I read my light novels? I know hiragana and kanakana
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>>139732977
you can read them literally any time. of course it will take you forever to get through a single pages worth of text
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>>139732943
It's from V for Vendetta I'm pretty sure
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みんな今日も童貞を守ったよね
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>>139733399
童貞は毎日守らなきゃ意味ないだろ
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>>139732478
But why not? When you finish a game you really liked, you naturally want to talk about how great it was with others, and ideally this would provide an excuse for those who read it to chat about it. If there's no discussion of games, the thread just devolves into recommendations and discussions about piracy and translations.
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>>139733399
童貞じゃない
彼女が処女でした
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>>139731649
I once had a script that would rename all my files to a random timestamp whenever I posted an image, to avoid filename bullying.
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>>139733651
魔法使い失格だな
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>>139733437
意味わからん。 すまん
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>>139733799
はい..
ごめんなさい、アノンくん
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>>139733860
まあいいか。 だって俺も彼女に中だしでも。
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>tfw when the new cards just dont want to be rememebred
here I am 3 hours after starting them, doing them on and off still
at least im down from 22 to 8
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>>139734025
>3 hours for 14 new cards
You're doing something very very wrong.
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>>139733970
中出しの喜びか
そうか、それでいい
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王手飛車

Sometimes I feel like I should be more selective with my mining.
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おはようおにいちゃん

はな ちりぬるを ながむ
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いのち ちりゆくも なつ
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いきる うしなえど なお
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おはよう、いもうとちゃん
いい詩だね
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>mods deleted half the posts I reported
>still leave up the other half which are the same mindless shitposting
Why bother even trying to do the right thing?
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>>139735398
Not funny man, I got caught in the crossfire and got a stupid warning for complaining about the shitposting.
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>>139735454
report his post in retribution after all it is shit
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I'm using the Rikaisama J-J dictionary and surprisingly kinda enjoy it. Is there any sort of list for all these category words that come before the definition but after the part of speech?

>>139722937
I haven't in a week and a half. I stopped adding my mined words 'cause I wanted to get my reps down to a leisurely amount, but then I just stopped taking it seriously. I used to do like 50 a day and flip out if I was close to rolling over.

What's... happening... to me...?
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>>139735515
>Is there any sort of list for all these category words that come before the definition but after the part of speech?
http://nihongo.monash.edu/wwwjdicinf.html#code_tag
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>>139735515
50 new* a day

I'm losing it
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>>139735515
>What's... happening... to me...?
出来ない
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>>139735540
That's basically what I want, but my rikai is giving me the codes in JP. Do you have a JP list?
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>>139735618
Screenshot of the codes it is providing?
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>>139735618
>>139735636
Something like this?
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms903898.aspx
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>>139735364
なか だしのよろ こび
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>>139734224
Nope, they just don't want to stick. Like reading the same line in a book over and over and not absorbing it because you are distracted. On the last one now, it just won't stick.
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>>139735636
My keyboard is broken and I'm just using a360 controller (going on about four months. Yeah...) so it's really hard to screenshot a popup. Try shift>enter>2 to switch to the one I'm talking about.

>>139735688
Close, but not quite. I'm looking for what I think are word categories like "maritime" or "engineering" terminology rather than parts of speech.
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>>139735978
>I'm looking for what I think are word categories like "maritime" or "engineering" terminology rather than parts of speech.
In that case, why not look up those words?

Also, get a cheap keyboard mate. Jesus fucking christ.
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>>139735798
Happens and it's super gay. Just suspend it, it'll be easier when you're better. I kinda regret disabling the suspend leach function. So much wasted time.
>>139736018
Because I don't know any of them and can't highlight a word on an anki popup.

Also I'm too stubborn and mommy won't buy me a suitable replacement. Maybe I'll check Craigslist or whatever and hope for a free one with minimum dried cum on it.
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>>139736157
>Because I don't know any of them and can't highlight a word on an anki popup.
With rikai you can save words to a txt file and it should have the full dictionary read out.
That way you can take those words in brackets (I assume) before the term itself and look them up online, etc.
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>>139736157
Wait, hold up: an "anki" popup? So you've got these definitions on Anki cards?
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Good evening my lovelies
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>>139736364
Probably meant Rikai
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>>139736537
yea
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>>139737077
They use little checkered pieces of paper issued from the Canadian government. The same system is used in Hong Kong.
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Any tips for leeches? I tried making a deck with only them, it worked with a few of them but there is always that group of ten or so kanji that just doesn't tell me anything, like I never started studying them.
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>>139736519
おはようおにいちゃん

ごはんがたけてるよ

だいこんもおろしたよ

とうふもあるよ

いっしょにたべよ
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>>139737142
you can just drop them. chances are you wont encounter them in the wild for ages anyway and you can just look them up then.
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俺わ刃らしき
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>晩餐
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>>139733748
That's the most autistic thing I have ever heard.
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はるさめや

ふくいくたりぬ

れんげそう
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am i using passive right?

why does your cat liked being fed that every day?
何故お前の猫がそんなのを食べられさせたが好き?
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>>139737983
The English sentence is already wrong.
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>>139737975
Fuck off
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>>139737998
fuck (you)
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>>139738007
>Fuck off
>not even 死ぬ

Stop being a lazy faggot imouto hater
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>>139737975
とてむすごいでsね!わたshほしせくすのぺにすがさっくほしですいもとかっくいです?!?!@
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>>139738007
>>139738156
samefag
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>>139738191
*首を横に振る*はいでsねいもとわかっくいですか?
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>>139738228
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>>139738228
>>139738265
It goes deeper
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>>139738265
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はるのうみ

ひねもすのたり

のたりかな

与謝野蕪村
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>295 cards added

How many did you add today, anons?
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>>139738491
*「前」金属のフォームに現れた*なるほと、テマエはころそしてほし?!* 剣を抜く *キサマはころそほしぜ?!*抜き付け* 一騎打するぞ!
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>>139737142

Just turn off card suspension. You'll get them eventually. Maybe write the kanji a few times, if that's the problem.
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Let's try and find the most useless kanji (ones without meaning or only used in names don't count), I'll start

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>>139738567
0 f.a.m.
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>>139738646
日、人、です、漢、字、妹、糞
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I've noticed that the core 2k decks are in 10 parts. when should I move from one to the other?
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How does japanese children learn Kanji?
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>>139738314
>お前
>not 貴方様

rude as hell
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>>139738699
They use little checkered pieces of paper issued from the Canadian government. The same system is used in Hong Kong.
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信じろ
自分たちを
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>>139738699
Just like how Chinese children learn Kanji.

They write the same word over and over again 20 times in an exercise book with square grids, and repeat the same process every day.
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I keep stopping and starting learning and consequentially don't make much progress. How do I stick with it?
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>>139738699

Endless writing practice.

Stupid way to learn it, honestly. Especially for us, as foreign learners. Go ahead and try to imitate them if you want to take a decade to learn kanji.
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>>139738761
With compelling content.
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>>139738761
By doing it every day?
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>>139730951
I asked this on /int/ they said its like poem that sounds weird and odd rhyme
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>>139738761

You realize that you're never going to get anywhere that way and buckle the fuck down. Stop letting yourself skip your reps and/or your reading. Days where you don't get your studies done should be a tiny minority.
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I'm curious is muramasa really hard I've read some of it, but I'm curious on some of so called harder texts does anybody have an extract.
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>>139738907
Open the game and see?
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>>139738684
*臨戦した*水鴎流之マスターで御座るぜー!帯刀が有るか、キサマ?*八相之構えした*
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>>139738761

If you don't have the drive to make progress, have you considered that your time might be better off doing something that's more important to you than studying Japanese?
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>>139738934
I've read some of it

It doesn't seem too hard just some words you don't really see often, I want to know if there are any difficult texts later on
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How can I see how much vocab I've learned in core 2k/6k so far?
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おはようございます初めまして

Well I have a question. Do I have to learn both the traditional kanji and the simplified kanji? Well thanks,

ありがとう!
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>>139739000
You don't have to learn either, just vocab is fine.
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>>139739000
I think the jouhou kanji enough desu

but some people don't bother learning kanji and just learn vocab
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so where the fuck do i start learning hiragana and dont say your shitty guide because it has 0 sources or resources for starting to learn hiragana
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>>139739081
Yes it does. But don't bother, it's a waste of time for someone incapable such as yourself.
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>>139739055
Thats weird I didn't type desu
did desu just get changed to desu?
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http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/
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>>139739081
Wikipedia. I ain't even kidding. Also use Real Kana.
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>>139739102
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>>139739102
wait there it is again I didn't type desu for those three times
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What are some easier VNs (じゃぱねせぽるのげーむ)that feature cool 武士(Japanese warriors with 刀s)?
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>>139739129
Ever heard of filters?
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>>139739100
>yes it does
no , actually it really fucking doesn't
maybe you should read the fucking guide youve been shilling for half a year
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>>139739148
>writing English in Hiragana
出来ない

>>139739181
出来ない
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>>139739129
You're stupid 2bh
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>>139739171
I assumed as much can you get around it?

desu
DESU
Tbh
TBh
tBh
tbH
TbH
tBH
TBH
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>>139739235
です
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>>139737983
you_cant_even_learn_english.jpg
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>>139739081
I actually just learned hiragana as a hobby by looking at a hiragana table....on fucking google. Barely took me a week. Had tons of free time at work too so there's that.
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>>139739557
>>139738034
>butthurt ESLs
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>>139739606(you)
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>>139739389
Same here. You can even learn it in one afternoon if you go serious about it, though it takes much much longer to be fluent.
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But why are ESLs ostracized here?
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>>139739181
>"read the guide before asking questions" open link
>"guide (start here)" click
>"introduction (click here to get started with learning right away)" follow redirect
>"look up a chart of hiragana and katakana (such as this one for example)" open link

Which step made you stumble, ESL-kun? Try copy pasting the sentences you don't understand and I'll try using simpler English to explain them to you.
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>>139739853
Apparently through learning Japanese they noticed and decided to become more careful about their English skills, this wouldn't be so bad except that they criticize those that don't do so and not address legitimate questions the poster may have. This happened to me too at some point down the track, still it really is a waste of time to point out flaws in somebody's post on a thread such as fast as this.
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>>139740080
>comma splits
>not address
>such as fast as this
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>>139738977
>>139738977
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>tfw ESL and JTL
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>>139738977
I stopped doing Anki but if I remember you can see your mature cards by clicking the graph at the top-right side of the screen when you are reviewing/learning your cards. Just scroll down to the bottom of the pop-up and there should be a pie graph.
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>>139740309
Oh, thanks. 154, but all are Young+Learn. I started a couple of days ago.

Is this normal, or am I dumb? When do they become mature?
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>>139740363
Once the interval for the next review becomes 21 days or more. So that is totally normal.
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>>139740363
They become mature when they appear I think a month later, you shouldn't have mature cards at the moment, unless you hit easy or changed your default values.
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>262 of these
>38 left
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>>139738683
>I've noticed that the core 2k decks are in 10 parts.

No they aren't
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>>139740645
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>>139740697
what the fuck are you doing anon. read the fucking guide.
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I just started reading kumo desu ga and i'm at the prologue.

剛力により拳で地面を割り砕き、谷を作ったとされる魔王。
 魔導を極め、千の術を操ったとされる魔王。
 そうした魔王たちに共通しているのは、人族に敵対し、いずれも強力であるということ。

I'm not sure what the last line means? "The common thing to these Demon Kings is their hostility towards humans and possesion of great power"? Is that somewhat right?
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今僕は大学校に、僕の当たりに二人が日本語を話していて、流暢な人たちと思う。
二人の日本語は早いよ、すべての日本人はそんなの早く話すの?

僕はVNを読んで、そんなの早口はないから不満だ

早口を分けるためにどうすればいいの?
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>>139740928
>僕
Disgusting.
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>>139740928
切腹
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>>139740884
Yes.
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>>139739148
Anyone?
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>>139740697
Don't use those shitty ones. Get the optimized one from the guide.
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>>139740697
Alright, thanks
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>>139740928
日本人はtime is money だからみんな早口です
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>>139740928
日本人はお前らが思ってるより頭良くないから、早口で喋るのはほんの短い単語だけだ。
「働きたくない」とか「腹減った」とか
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https://youtu.be/Yz5Zls_TU5k?t=375

kek
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>>139741441
Meant for this
>>139741330
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>>139724590
just use kana deck or create your own and write on the screen before showing the solution
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>finish last episode of I Wanna be the Scare
>check comments
>see this
ブラザーズ
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っていうかニポン人よりロシヤ人とか米人の方が早口
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https://eikaiwa.weblio.jp/column/natural_english/ordinary_conversation_15

Daily reminder that Japs can't learn English either.
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>>139741781
The Japanese have it easy... we're over here sweating for Muramasa and Dies Irae. What've they got thats nearly as hard? I don't see anyone snipping to read Gene Wolfe over there.
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>>139741781
Wow, what an surprises です!
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>>139741828
Classical English shit I guess
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>>139741828
DI / Muramasa are babby 12 year old tier compared to Joyce, Nabokov and whatnot.
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>>139742023
"I don't see anyone snipping to read Joyce, Nabokov, and whatnot"
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>>139742149
Okay...? What is your point? You think people aren't learning English there to read classics? Then you're wrong. There's a pretty large demographic that doesn't care for anime related stuff at all and rather reads literature.
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>>139742258
>thinking ANYONE is learning English to read joyce
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>>139742356
>Joyce
>"English"
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>>139742356
>thinking anyone is learning English to read the what is considered best writer of the 20th century and arguably all time
Yeah I'm guessing there's a few.
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>>139741661
だよねー
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>>139742429
Harsh reality bud: even people who know English don't read Joyce.
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>>139741828

I bet there are at least a few Japanese people for whom something like Planescape: Torment has a similar status. Of course the language itself is for the most part perfectly normal so once you do have a solid grasp of English it's no problem, but at the stage when you're not yet great at it the sheer amount of text and the unusual and abstract themes it revolves around probably make it pretty intimidating and hard to interpret correctly.
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>>139742429
>what is considered best writer of the 20th century and arguably all time

I've literally never heard of them.
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>>139742468
People who know Japanese don't read VNs either. Pretty retarded argument, or whatever that was supposed to be.
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>>139742492
OK frankly while that guy is pretty dumb/narrowminded/whatever, not knowing Joyce just reflects poorly on you
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>>139742528
I guarantee more people *actually* read VNs than Joyce by a factor of ten. (see: not people reading 2 pages of Ulysses before giving up)
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>>139742591
Not in the West. And they're missing out a lot. Too bad Leopold Bloom is a cuck.
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>>139742549
>not knowing some old irish writer who writes needlessly learned books reflects poorly on me
ok m8

>>139742528
>People who know Japanese don't read VNs
But that's not true though. If people didn't read VNs then they wouldn't adapt manga/anime from them in the first place. And even assuming literally nobody read them before an anime adaptation, people sure as shit do once they have an anime.
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>>139742706
Indeed, in the west.
>>139742715
>some old irish writer
I mean, he's very popular and discussed all the time. If you don't know him it means you're ignorant of western literature and that reflects poorly on you. Kind of like how if you ask who Kobe Bryant is, it'll reflect poorly on you in regards to basketball.
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>>139742591
I still don't see your point. Yes, more people read children's books than they read [insert random classic] here. Doesn't really have to do with anything though.

The point is that people who are interested in literature over in Japan (or anywhere) might learn English.

>>139742715
Your brain is the actual size of a pea.
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>>139742796
VNs are Japanese little children 「girls」 books confirmed.
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Literally nobody the fuck cares

Stop judging people by your arbitrary standards

Just because somebody isn't into literature doesn't mean he's retarded or stupid

You're just being meaninglessly elitist by imposing your standards on other people to make yourself feel superior
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>>139742891
Wrong thread.
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>>139742796
OK. (from my perspective, gained from spending time here) There's a significant number of people learning Japanese specifically to read VNs, with Muramasa and Dies Irae to be big motivators. There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English for the likes of Joyce and Nakobov. Especially since writers like Nakobov have Japanese translations, and Joyce is somebody nobody ever wants to read.
>>139742891
>doesn't mean he's retarded or stupid
Right, he's just extremely ignorant of western literature. I don't feel superior for knowing Joyce or anything, it's just a name. A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant. I don't see your problem here.
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>>139742978
>Right, he's just extremely ignorant of western literature. I don't feel superior for knowing Joyce or anything, it's just a name. A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant. I don't see your problem here.

Make up your mind, is the person ignorant of western literature or ignorant
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>>139743032
Are you seriously going to be that pedantic? Seriously?
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>>139743062
There is a clear difference

It reflects very badly on you as a person if it's the latter
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>>139742781
>and discussed all the time

Maybe amongst puffs, I've never heard of him mentioned anywhere myself. Other than Shakespeare and the odd specific old book (like Of Mice and Men) I've never been around people who discuss literature, especially old literature.

Are you rich? It sounds like something rich twats discuss over tea and biscuits in their fancy suit and tie.

>>139742891
>Literally nobody the fuck cares
"the fuck" doesn't belong there, if you really wanted to say fuck you'd say "fucking" there instead.

>>139742978
>There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English for the likes of Joyce and Nakobov
Nice justiffication there friend. "I don't want to read it so nobody else does too!" There are translations for a ton of jap shit that people learning jap read anyway.

>>139742978
>A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant.
Seriosuly where do you live? Are you rich? Do you have rich friends? Maybe they learnt about Joyce in American school but here I've never learnt anything about or heard anything about the guy.
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>>139743113
He's probably the fag who called me retarded for not knowing that French painter's name last year, renart or whatever the fuck his name was
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>>139743113
>Maybe amongst puffs
Dude, I'm an ESL fag and I had to study Joyce in highschool.
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>>139742978
The people who actually start learning Japanese for VNs is extremely small and niche. Hell, the translated VN community is small even.
>There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English
Within the literature community, there are.
>and Joyce is somebody nobody ever wants to read
This is so ironic it hurts. You call people ignorant, then write something like this. Just because you are clearly brain dead and can't grasp prose doesn't mean others can't. Millions of people read and love him, he's a fantastic and very fun writer.
>>
>平成生まれ
>Millennial

Not bad.
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>>139743109
I said "ignorant of western literature" so the second time I said "ignorant" I was referring to the same thing.
>>139743113
>"I don't want to read it so nobody else does too!"
Have you seen Joyce? Go check out the first page of Finnegan's Wake. I'll wait.
>Maybe amongst puffs, I've never heard of him mentioned anywhere myself.
>Seriosuly where do you live? Are you rich? Do you have rich friends?
I live in poor rural southern America. I heard of him because he's stupid famous and discussed all the goddamn time. He was even mentioned IN THIS VERY THREAD JUST 8 DAYS AGO
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/139311112/#139331184
Seriously. Spend any time on /lit/, /r/literature, or any other frickin forum about literature and you'll stumble all over Joyce. He's extremely famous.
>>139743175
Did you seriously not know Monet?
>>139743227
>Millions of people read and love him, he's a fantastic and very fun writer.
pffhahahaha
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>>139743245
Literally a meme word used exclusively by clickbait articles
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>>139743245
>Horriblesubs
I would have placed my bet on Commie
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Why do Japanese bother learning Kanji when they could just use a phonetic alphabet? I mean, they have Hiragana already, why would you need Kanji when Hiragana does the same thing? It seems old fashioned!
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>>139743179
>Dude, I'm an ESL fag and I had to study Joyce in highschool.
>>139743253
>I live in poor rural southern America

That explains why it's so "common" then. Here in the UK we have never learnt about him, if he's taught in American schools then I understand why you'd be shocked I've not heard of him.
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>>139743253
>r/literature
Seems like you've been doing a lot of that lately.
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>>139743359
>taught in American schools
I wasn't taught about him, I heard about him on the internet and on TV.
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>>139743309
because u touch urself at night
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>>139743253
>Have you seen Joyce? Go check out the first page of Finnegan's Wake. I'll wait.
>LOOOL ILL BRING UP HIS EXPERIMENTAL NOVEL TO MAKE A POINT
>let's ignore his easy as fuck but famous books like Dubliners and Portrait
Again, you just sound like someone really stupid who has probably read less than 5 classics and gets overwhelmed by anything above children's book tier prose. Kindly off yourself.
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>>139743309
This has been discussed a ton already. There are too many words with the same pronunciation for a phonetic alphabet to work. Just google your question and I'm sure you'll find tons of articles on why it is the way it is. >>139743417 this too.
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While we're on the topic of lit

http://forum.koohii.com/thread-13677.html

for the retards here who are learning japanese for literature (笑)
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>>139743433
"bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!" - James Joyce
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>>139743516
+1
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So we /det/ now?
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>>139743671
です!ぐれおいすgrate じょおだん!!
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>>139744102
James Joyce is a third kind, one people pretend to read for street cred.
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May the force be for Japan.
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  /\ ヽ__ノ /
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|ヽ ヽ_/ ̄|⌒ヽ
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>>139744157
Nah, you're just retarded.
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>>139744176
What's retarded about pointing out facts, Mr Angry Online Guy?
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>>139744205
The only fact here is that you're sub 100 IQ and project your own intelligence onto others.
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I just came here to say 四百二十燃やせこのおかまやろう
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>>139744582
畜生めなにいってるクソこらこら!
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>>139741638
I don't know the last two kanji please translate
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>>139744681
raise ur hands
挙手
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What does にゃ mean? I'm guessing it's some kind of dialect copula, but it's not used like だ or や.
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>>139744731
It's a sentence-ending particle that conveys the concept of being a cat girl
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>>139744697
ナチ敬礼?
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>>139744760
Interesting. Which dialect is it used in? I'm guessing it has something to do with Ancient Japanese mythology/Shinto?
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>>139744809
Weeaboo-ben
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>>139744840
But I encountered it in a Japanese game.
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>>139744859
Also common in Maido-ben.
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>>139744885
Interesting, ありがとうでござる。
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>酸素
What's the logic behind this?
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>>139743113
>>Literally nobody the fuck cares
>"the fuck" doesn't belong there, if you really wanted to say fuck you'd say "fucking" there instead.
"Nobody the fuck" is a thing, anon
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>>139745067
>"Nobody the fuck" is a thing, anon

Unless it's a quote from a movie I haven't seen, no it isn't.
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>>139745101
Google "nobody the fuck" in quotes, plenty of results. It's super slang anyway so arguing about whether it's correct is pedantic and not very productive
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>>139745101
Is the only way languages evolve through popularized movie quotes? Holy fuck dude off yourself
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>>139744731
is this bait

>>139745067
>>139745188
what fucking country are you from that that sounds the fuck right
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>>139745188
>Google "nobody the fuck" in quotes, plenty of results.

This is what happens when allow brain dead twats access to technology. Coincidentally I'm sure, googling that resulted in a bunch of black peoples twitter accounts. What a coinsidence.

>>139745273
>languages evolve
>cursing in a gramatically broken way is "language evolution"

Wow
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>>139745299
>that sounds the fuck right
It's sounds like slang dude. I guess you don't hang around urban youth.
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>>139745365
>I guess you're not a nigger

Correct
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>>139745389
Let me guess, you're a liberal uni faggot kid.
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>>139745432
They don't use extremely offensive words like nigger as far as I know.
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>>139745432
That was a piss poor guess anon.
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>>139745350
My favourite example of language evolution is
God be with you
God b w/ you
God b.w.y
Goodbye
Never doubt language evolution or my son ever again
>>
I have learned Japanese, now I can truly say that it is a 簡単 language.
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>>139745350
>coinsidence
>gramatically
>when allow
How can you call someone a brain dead twat when you're too lazy to proof read your own posts?

>>cursing in a gramatically broken way is "language evolution"
>Wow
Are you saying cursing does not evolve languages? Give me an objective reply if you're not going back on that statement. And please tell me how languages evolve when bending the grammar is not part of it, should be interesting
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>>139726561
I'm sorry anon, but you can't learn English. All the whining in the world won't change what the preexisting distinctions mean.
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>>139745501
Surely you mean 易しい or 簡単な
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>>139745457
My uncle is liberal as fuck and he uses the word nigger all the time.
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>>139745607
Is he a uni faggot kid?
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Is おい「おーい」a loanword? Why is it written in hiragana?
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>>139745684
He fucks them in the ass all the time.
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>>139745601
dont bother anon theyre probably an english major that doesnt understand "clear writing is important"
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>>139745749
This "loanwords == katakana" myth needs to be dispelled once and for all
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>>139745857
Why is it a myth? Can you answer without meme pictures?
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>>139745749
Yeah, they learned it from the British.
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>>139745937
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>>139745998
That's what I thought, just strange to see it written like that with a ー and in hiragana.
>>139746024
Cool picture です, can you upload your ふぉるだ?
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>>139746074
Sorry I just made that.
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Is ダメ a loanword too? Looks like the word "damn" to me.
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>>139746235
なまえ is probably one too.
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>>139746362
That's one is really obvious though, but it's strange that it has Kanji. Maybe the Chinese got it first from the British?
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>>139746531
>That's one is really obvious though
Oh my god, are you trolling?
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>>139746677
Huh? Are you implying it's not?
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>>139746677
nam(a)e = name

stop trolling dude..
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>>139746677
Mar arimas? ホースプッシ
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>>139746732
OK, sorry, that was rude of me.
名 means name, and it is pronounced な.
前 means "before"/"in front of" and in this case is pronounced まえ
so 名前, even though it sounds like "name" somewhat, has such heavy roots in Japanese words (and history, anyway, it was used before the dutch came over) that there's no chance it's a loanword.
That guy who mentioned ダメ was trolling so I assumed you were too
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マンペ
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>>139746867
Doesn't make much sense to me. Why is it before the name?
Could it be that the Chinese got it as a loanword and the Japanese got it by proxy through Kanji?
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>>139746867
Aren't you aware of the Jewish connection?
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>>139746974
>Why is it before the name?
Huh?
名前 refers to first name. 前 meaning "in front of" in this case.
>Could it be that the Chinese got it as a loanword and the Japanese got it by proxy through Kanji?
No
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>>139747050
I guess this makes more sense, but I'm still inclined to believe that it's a loanword. I feel that's more true.
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>>139746974
>Why is it before the name?
w-what?

It's like first name and last name. first name (or in front of name) is なまえ

I hope you're joking.
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>>139747083
>but I'm still inclined to believe that it's a loanword. I feel that's more true.
I don't know if you're trolling but it's straight-up not. It's completely untrue.
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>>139747117
Do you have any proof? You don't sound very trustworthy. I will continue to believe it's a loan word, sorry.
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>>139747101
Looks like too good to be true, but with the logicality of Kanji anything can be true.
>>139747117
I'm not saying it's true, that's just what I believe in.
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>>139747174
>I'm not saying it's true, that's just what I believe in.
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>>139746235
>>139746362
i can't tell what's bait any more
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>>139747174
>Looks like too good to be true
What the fuck are you talking about? Surely if anything the concept that なまえ sort of sounds like "name" so therefore it is a loan word is the one that's "too good do be true".

How the fuck is combining in front of and name a ridiculous leap to "first name". You're a fucking idiot anon, please at least try to use whatever pathetic excuse for a brain you have in there.
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賢者タイム
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>>139723315
>He writes longhand.
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懐疑主義者懐疑主義者次のように勿論僕はアンチ有神論者。
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What kanji is this?
I only recognize the radical on the top right, tried drawing it on google but couldn't get results
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>>139747232
>>139747476
What's your problem?
>>139747336
If it was something like "before last name" I would get it. But it's just "before name", how can the first name be before anything else? It's first by definition.
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Is there a way to toggle betwen English and Hiragana inputs with a single key?
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>>139747783
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>>139747846
ctrl/alt+~ with Google IME.
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>>139747797
>how can the first name be before anything else? It's first by definition
Your first name is before your last name. I'm begining to fear you're genuinely ill and not just baiting.

>>139747846
ALT+¬ is english, ALT+CAPS is nip
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>>139747797
Did you miss the "in front of" part?
And in Japanese "first" names come second in order. Like 右代宮バトラー, is Ushiromiya Battler not Battler Ushiromiya
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>>139747854
Thanks
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>>139747910
なまえ mean first name, so how can it be first before the first name? That's just impossible by definition, even outside of my beliefs.
>>139747927
That makes even less sense, how can it be first if it's second?
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