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Read the guide before asking questions.
I might not be the greatest actor, but I walk into every project willing to work hard.
So, yeah. RtK.
In the end, the only real statement I care to make about RtK, is you either
>spend a bunch of time with RtK, learning only the general english meaning of the kanjis concept, without any readings or context for it, which may or may not help you learn faster in the long run
>spend a bunch of time studying actual japanese from a vn or whatever
If you think the former will work for you go ahead.
>30 minutes to do anki reps before they reset
i am so fucked
Or just use a deck that has vocab/readings in it and do vocab at a faster pace alongside/after RTK. Plus RTK is primarily for handwriting and gives you an extremely strong visual grasp on every kanji you see. Almost every card failed is reading-related for me (usually a new reading I'm still getting down or a really weird reading). Both are fine. Don't be a retard.
why do you niggers let it get like this
I use this shit everyday now and finish in a few hours. I have too much spare time and I should just go read VNs but I just do nothing but waste time instead of doing work. I have 400-500 cards pop up a day pretty much but its nothing if I stick to this.
There's nothing "simple" about half-page-long "mnemonics" about dancing dandelions on flying bacon strip carpets barrel rolling through clouds, which chain off three previously-used mnemonics.
I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them. I use keyword+radical breakdown to kanji now, learn vocab to help key my recall, and only spend time developing mnemonics for the leeches. You know ... a balanced, non-autistic approach.
Is the kanjidamage deck any useful? And if so, is it on the guide? I can't seem to find it.
Why would you leave out the obvious? A huge part of Remember the Kanji 1 and 3 is being able to recall and write kanji from memory. Is it the entire point of going keyword→kanji.
20 new cards a day of core6k
30 new cards a day of Kanji damage
20 new cards a day of Tae Kim vocab
Reminder that the oxford comma is mandatory and if you don't use it then you're either a stingy journalist, someone who fell for the journalists' propaganda, or a retarded ESL applying the rules of your own language to english errantly.
>I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them
This is a strawman.
>Now the odd thing is not that this occurs, but rather that, instead of openly admitting one’s distrust of purely visual memory, one accuses oneself of a poor memory or lack of discipline and keeps on following the same routine. Thus, by placing the blame on a poor visual memory, one overlooks the possibility of another form of memory that could handle the task with relative ease: imaginative memory.
>By imaginative memory I mean the faculty to recall images created purely in the mind, with no actual or remembered visual stimuli behind them. When we recall our dreams we are using imaginative memory. The fact that we sometimes conf late what happened in waking life with what occurred merely in a dream is an indication of how powerful those imaginative stimuli can be. While dreams may be broken up into familiar component parts, the composite whole is fantastical and yet capable of exerting the same force on perceptual memory as an external stimulus. It is possible to use imagination in this way also in a waking state and harness its powers for assisting a visual memory admittedly ill-adapted for remembering the kanji.
There is a link to the official kanji damage deck on the kanjidamage website homepage.
If you had any experience at all with Remember the Kanji book one, you would be aware that you are supposed to create your own mnemonics and the ones provided up to a point in the book a merely suggestions. The entire point of
I tried creating my own for most of them and sometimes was able to make a pretty good one, but most of the time the koohii stories stuck much better than the ones I was able to come up with.
>If you had any experience at all with Remember the Kanji book one
I finished RTK over half a year ago.
>I finished RTK over half a year ago.
Without bothering to pay attention to what was written in the book.
That was taken directly from the introduction of the text you were trying to misrepresent.
Only week 2.
I had 217 reviews today. The decks sometimes overlap with each other though so It's not as bad.
I can dedicate at least 4 hours to learning before needing a break.
I realized I have 40 weeks left in core 6k if I go the pace I am going now at 15 words a day. If I jump up to 20 words a day, I could be done in 30 weeks.
How soon till y'all are done with core 6k?
>By imaginative memory I mean the faculty to recall images created purely in the mind, with no actual or remembered visual stimuli behind them.
Some of us are autistic losers who can't visualize things in our head.
t. autistic loser who can't visualize things in his head
I did read what was written in the book. RTK worked very well for me and it still does. The mnemonics other people came up with simple stuck a lot easier than the ones I was able to come up with even if I kept trying to adjust my own mnemonic. Not sure what you're taking issue with here. His word isn't absolute law, if someone else's mneomics are working leaps and bounds better than my own for a kanji, there's no reason to stubbornly keep trying to make my own mnemonic stick, it's a waste of energy and isn't going to improve anything (based on my personal experience). Plus a lot of the time the koohii story was more or less what I came up with anwyays.
>i dont represent anything besides myself
Pardon? I was responding this this strawman here: >>139723265
>I prefer my mnemonics to actually be memory aids, not the main event. You shouldn't have to study exclusively to recall them. I use keyword+radical breakdown to kanji now, learn vocab to help key my recall, and only spend time developing mnemonics for the leeches. You know ... a balanced, non-autistic approach.
Which was referring to RtK.
>Some of us are autistic losers who can't visualize things in our head.
What happens when you read a book?
>What happens when you read a book?
I read words. If I want a movie, I watch a movie.
I was basically an English major anyways, I can't read without overanalyzing the language to begin with.
It's called accurate representation.
I'd defend kanji damage or tae kim or whatever else if some cretin was trying make a strawman out of those as well.
Intellectually dishonesty is repulsive.
You failed items H, N and K. Please delete your post.
>I read words. If I want a movie, I watch a movie.
I mean what happens in your head? If you can't visualise scenes and imagery, what happens?
Same thing: if people are deliberately misrepresenting something for the sake of rhetoric, they can fuck off. Destructive ideas should not be left unchallenged to become cancerous memes.
Just starting. Is this a good way to learn the kana? I plan to do two old and one new every half hour or so.
>If you can't visualise scenes and imagery, what happens?
I process words? If you read a stop sign, do you have to visualize yourself stopping the car to actually do it? It's not that hard to understand.
RTK just isn't the right method for everyone. I was taxing too much mental power to the task of trying to visualize mnemonics when I could have just been studying repetitively until I noticed patterns and retained the visual information. I had basically ended up studying how to study RTK, where kanji was a side effect instead of the end goal.
>But isn`t WK just another kind of dishonesty?
Not that I understand.
>You can do a lot more with anki than with the paid WK
They are entirely different things, though.
>and pretending otherwise in these threads is just dumb
There is a difference between representing something accurately and promoting it, anon. I would never recommend WK to anyone but I would also never try to make WK look like something it isn't.
>It's not that hard to understand.
I'm finding it quite difficult actually. How would you read a page of text describing a scene without visualising the scene in your mind?
>RTK just isn't the right method for everyone.
Never suggested it was.
can't visualize=can't see anything
in your head=in your mind
The "whatsoever" was for emphasis. I want to know if he really can't see anything, which is what he made it sound like.
>>How soon till y'all are done with core 6k?
kek, literally just under a year at this rate. what the fuck does one do after completing it though? will you be able to read mostly everything afterwards?
The best thing I ever did was 100 words/day of Core6k for a month before then dropping it entirely. Not because it did wonders for my vocabulary, but because I realized sooner than later the importance of actual reading and mining words relevant to you instead of forcing newspaper words into your head with no context.
>Go ahead. He didn't say "some things"; he said "things" in general.
>If I say I don't like tomatoes, I mean I don't like any tomatoes. It's the same thing.
It means you don't like tomatoes in general, not that you don't like /any/ tomato.
"Things" specifically allows exceptions, especially in places that are not related to the statement. "I don't like tomatoes" doesn't instantly mean you hate pizza. It can, but it doesn't have to. A sassy parent might say that to their kid after they say they don't like tomatoes, but that's just the parent being difficult.
"I don't like any tomato" means that tomato products are necessarily included in your dislike, regardless of whether that dislike may be weaker or stronger.
The relationship between "things" and "anything" is the same. I can say "I can't memorize things" in a conversation about studying school subjects, but then go home and read hours upon hours of technical computer science information and retain it with no difficulty at all, and there's no contradiction there. If I said "I can't memorize anything", then it would necessarily be a statement about my ability to commit things to memory in general, even if I were exaggerating.
>so you must be lying
I quite literally asked you direct questions so I could understand where you are coming from. I didn't call you a liar, I admitted my incredulity and as a response asked for clarity. I just want to understand you, man.
Why is it so hard to open up a big of dialogue on /a/?
Came across some old images posted by a passing wizard who once visited these threads and decided to put them together in a single image because it looks amusing in an unbelievable manner. Anons called him "whelpくん".
>tens of thousands
You don't need to know tens of thousands before you can read comfortably. 8,000-10,000 is enough to read the vast majority of materials without a texthooker.
You know what I hate about core that nobody ever says? It doesn't tell you multiple meanings of shit.
Corefags think they can read but can they read this basic vocab sentence?
>Did he just spend eight hours a day grinding anki?
Here is the last image of have, not sure if he posted any more.
>How did it turn out for him?
No idea. We were joking about setting out in to the mountains to become a language learning monk.
Sort of faded into obscurity.
It was legit. You are misreading the states: that is cumulative, not daily.
Prefer this myself
>"I don't like any tomato" means that tomato products are necessarily included in your dislike
No it doesn't. No one but you and equally pedantic faggots would think that. It refers to tomatoes specifically, not tomato products and anything that might have one in it. If I wanted to say I hate literally anything with a shred of tomato in it I wouldn't use the word for the plant itself.
>I can say "I can't memorize things" in a conversation about studying school subjects, but then go home and read hours upon hours of technical computer science information and retain it with no difficulty at all
You can, but you wouldn't, because that's a vague and useless sentence unless you have more context since it would hold true for anyone. It's within the realm of possibility that the anon really can't visualize anything and he didn't mention anything in particular that would lead you to believe he was talking about some specific kind of things, other than perhaps those that you would find in a mnemonic. That at the very least makes it ambiguous what he really meant, and in my opinion makes it more likely he really did mean anything.
I'll concede that the some goes for "I don't like tomatoes", in that it may, depending on context, be reasonably interpreted as meaning that I don't like most of the tomatoes I've had, but it could just as well be meant in the other way.
Just started reading Yotsubato and I'm already confused. What the fuck are ろー and ぞー supposed to mean? Jisho doesn't have an answer and I don't know where else to look for the meanings of things like this.
Pity outliers like that don't pop up in these threads more frequently.
Seeing shit like that in action was both bizarre and at the same time strangely motivational. The embodiment of "do your fucking reps".
Guys thanks for arguing over my autism but really I just meant I have trouble with creativity and visualizing new things.
I know what a tree looks like because I've seen trees.
If you asked me to visualize a tree with fish hanging from it that a man is catching with a basket while wearing a crown and having one peg leg, and then ask me to think of this image for a minute to remember the way a single kanji is written, truly FEELING the image and imagining myself there, I would be lost. The best I could manage is a crude drawing akin to a 4 year old's art project hung on the refrigerator.
Not that I am literally braindead and a walking husk of a man just coming to /a/ so I can culturally immerse myself in compelling content like porn games.
So is it just meaningless crap attached to the end to be cute or what? I looked up ろ and ぞ but ろ didn't have shit and ぞ doesn't fit the context. I'd appreciate any resource I could use to answer dumb questions like this myself, or someone just telling me to ignore them and figure it out over time.
What's the purpose of impersonating me?
Honestly wasn't sure if you were baiting or what.>>139727738
Jesus. If someone's going to try to understand moonrunes by literally translating everything into English they're going to have a shit time.
I don't visualize shit. I just recognize radicals/primitives and recall whatever story is associated with the kanji. Most of my mnemonics consist of pants on head retarded shit that makes no sense. I swear, like half of the ones I've written are just the name of the primitives in order, then the meaning of the vocab/kanji with no real story to connect them. This special type of autism works for me.
Could I grab the attention of a few anons?
Above is an example of one of the concepts from the DoJG (basic volume) which has had its respective image from the DoJG Anki deck converted to text, added to the DoJG.pdf. It lacks the key sentence and example sentence letter labels, so pretend they are there as I'm going to add them as I go.
I've converted a few dozen concepts so far and are going to start adding them batches, but haven't got a format laid out. The docx version of the DoJG.pdf I am using is done really well, everything properly in styles, so I used two pre-existing styles; one for the 【Notes】/【Related Expression】and one for the body of the Notes text, so tweaking that is just a matter of tweaking the styles.
Question on the format: if that okay for the Notes section or is there a more ideal layout?
I tried to get excited about Spinaroli but it really wasn't the same.
It's really just a really informal way of speaking. You can't really attach it to everything...and as someone that grew up hearing it, its really hard to explain.
〜だろ is usually attached at the end of a sentence when you're seeking agreement
So in your example, そうだろう = that's right (there are a lot of houses aren't there?).
〜ぞ is just for emphasis. Like 〜ね, except that's more fem.
Again, if you're going to try to understand nips by making every translation literal you're going to have a bad time.
>and as someone that grew up hearing it, its really hard to explain
It's hard to start using endings out loud too as a foreigner in Japan, because I feel like I'm having to copy Japanese people instead of actually speaking myself, and it never comes out naturally.
Even adding a よ at the end makes me feel like I'm trying too hard to make up for my shitty oral skills.
Nips are pretty forgiving towards foreigners trying to speak their language. I'd say don't think too much about sounding stupid and forced and use them when you think it's right. It's pretty nuanced, but it's something you'll pick up the longer you're there.
It's personal embarrassment, not worried about others so much. Which is why I really only bother speaking Japanese when I'm drunk.
>what is America
I started listening to JWave because ego-wrappin said they would be on it, but nearly everything they play is western. It's a bit disconcerting, since I want to find 昭和青春歌。
Anon is was an obvious joke. Hover over the post with Rikaisama.
Not salty at all, just wondering why you posted that instead of linking to the guide which has grammar resources written by people who explain these things a lot better, with ample examples.
Might sound like strange advice but getting into the habit of mindlessly mimicking and blurting out lines and chunks of speech from male characters in Japanese movies can help you become more used to vocalising and slipping in those sorts of things without really thinking about it.
For a shitty anecdote early last year I had a random conversation with a Japanese guy at an airport lounge who was taken back when the person I was waiting for arrived shortly after and I took my jacket and beanie off and started talking to the other person in English, because he only just realised I was a foreigner, which was really amusing for some reason. That was basically on the back of watching a shitload of Japanese movies and chatting with people online, with next to no speaking conversation experience.
With small talk it isn't all that hard because conversations are predictable as shit most of the time. Like a lot of things, really: the more you think about it the harder it is to do.
Bars are a great place for conversation "practice" as drunk Japanese guys don't usually give a fuck if you sound stupid and younger guys will probably be amused just by the fact that you exist.
>mistaking you for a native that didn`t know french?
Hard to do when I obviously look Asian.
Frenglish is easy. Understanding them is English, but I was taking French at the time and wanted to practice. Most were dicks and would rather speak to me in English worse than my French.
I did pick up some stupid shit like tabarnak and putain.
Yeah it's pretty mediocre. I've been mostly reading it on the side because it just wasn't too compelling to me most of the time. I'm liking this route quite a bit more than the others so far (aside from how heavy of an emphasis it has on H scenes, but the other routes have that problem too and it's a problem with moege in general since that's what sells), but I didn't really like the other routes.
Watched だがしかし last season with Japanese subs. After I catch up on last season's shows probably I'm gonna do 2 with Japanese subs this season and 1 with no subs. Maybe more depending on how that goes.
I'm also re-watching shows while doing vocab reviews (currently Toradora). I said it a thread or two ago, but if you're at the point where you can read moege fairly well, I'd highly recommend it. You've already seen it, so there's no need to worry about ruining it, and you have context and memories to go off of to help you understand it.
What are you guys watching?
Most of them are timed to TV broadcasts with ads and stuff, so you'll have to shift them after the OP, eyecatch, and ED. You'll have to look at the sub file and calculate the time difference between the first line of the section in the audio and the sub file and adjust it accordingly with f1/f2 in MPC.
You can also texthook MPC if you're using a 32bit version of MPC, so it can be used with http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk for easy lookups (once a line displays once, the texthooker won't pick it up again, at least in my experience).
Most likely http://kitsunekko.net/ it is about the only place to get Japanese subs. Most of them are timed to raws, which includes commercials, so the timing is all messed up. Look for ones that are from DVDs or BluRays or sometimes you can find ones timed to Commie or other sub group releases.
On Nyaa search for Kamigami. Most of their releases have Japanese subs.
Speaking of texthookers, does anyone know a good version for Mac OSX 10.6.8? Kanjitomo requires an update but all past that 6 year old OS are trash and I don't want to update just to make mining decks easier.
So with the core 2k/6k optimized in Anki is there a way to basically extract those cards or a way to read them in just a simple text format outside of Anki in the order that it presents them? or maybe some other software that has the same cards? I think my issue with Anki is I have learned roughly 300 or so words from it so far, Kanji or otherwise, but I'd like to somehow be able to just view ALL those words at once in a list just to kinda do a recap trough all of them one by one, if I already know them it wouldn't take very long anyway and it's a good refresher and a way to see all of the ones I've studied at a glance.
I have words that won't show up again for another 31+ days, so I won't see those for a while, and yeah even if I know them it's just nice to have a list where I can just scan all 300 that I (should) already know in one quick sitting.
If you can't understand this you don't know Japanese.
>About to start my reps
>my iPhone isn't on anymore even though it had more than 50% battery
>it's not turing on even when plugged in
>tried a hard reset but nothing happened
>won't be able to fap to compelling content on bed
I guess washing my phone with the tap everyday after coming home eventually would end like this.
No I just don't buy overpriced, locked-down, shitty ecosystem phones.
a bunch of shit bag posts is an important part of any serious japanese learners arsenal i think
its actually worse in your own head probably because of how gaijins split up parts of speech. just let it flow itll be fine dude
this is the most learning ive seen here all week 経験おめ
i think its cool to not financially support companies you dont like by not buying their products dude relax free market is dope af
>think people are memeing
>check the app store
>it's actually $25 for a fucking flashcard app
I don't mind supporting the dev for Anki but Jesus
>This same argument again
They're mid-tier phones. Pretty, well designed, easy-to-use, and well optimized for their purpose of feeding the general public.
There's nothing wrong with them. Not everyone wants to root their phone and flash 20 billion roms, you know.
Forcing your supposed superiority on people just because you personally don't use an iPhone just makes you look like an ignorant faggot.
This is a good answer that I respect. Rock on bro, wanna できない together later?
>Not everyone wants to root their phone and flash 20 billion roms, you know
Oh nice this retarded argument again.
Don't get mad at me because you're shitty with technology.
>list reasons why people don't like Apple
>t-those d-don't count g-g-guys!!!!
Nah fuck off.
I there a database with how many H scenes are in each route in a VN? Is it on EGS and I'm just blind? The tags aren't always used on vndb and are sometimes kind of vague, and I don't really want to look at the CGs on sadpanda before reading it.
I think people saw it and just didn't want to help because they knew if they told you it was a bad idea and to not bother then they'd have to get into a debate with you over it.
Just don't fret about it. Let Anki do its thing. If you're worried about mature card retention, then just try to get your cards as close to 20 day intervals without going over and then let them pass to the 22-24 day intervals if you feel you know them well enough.
But why not? When you finish a game you really liked, you naturally want to talk about how great it was with others, and ideally this would provide an excuse for those who read it to chat about it. If there's no discussion of games, the thread just devolves into recommendations and discussions about piracy and translations.
I'm using the Rikaisama J-J dictionary and surprisingly kinda enjoy it. Is there any sort of list for all these category words that come before the definition but after the part of speech?
I haven't in a week and a half. I stopped adding my mined words 'cause I wanted to get my reps down to a leisurely amount, but then I just stopped taking it seriously. I used to do like 50 a day and flip out if I was close to rolling over.
What's... happening... to me...?
Nope, they just don't want to stick. Like reading the same line in a book over and over and not absorbing it because you are distracted. On the last one now, it just won't stick.
My keyboard is broken and I'm just using a360 controller (going on about four months. Yeah...) so it's really hard to screenshot a popup. Try shift>enter>2 to switch to the one I'm talking about.
Close, but not quite. I'm looking for what I think are word categories like "maritime" or "engineering" terminology rather than parts of speech.
>I'm looking for what I think are word categories like "maritime" or "engineering" terminology rather than parts of speech.
In that case, why not look up those words?
Also, get a cheap keyboard mate. Jesus fucking christ.
Happens and it's super gay. Just suspend it, it'll be easier when you're better. I kinda regret disabling the suspend leach function. So much wasted time.
Because I don't know any of them and can't highlight a word on an anki popup.
Also I'm too stubborn and mommy won't buy me a suitable replacement. Maybe I'll check Craigslist or whatever and hope for a free one with minimum dried cum on it.
>Because I don't know any of them and can't highlight a word on an anki popup.
With rikai you can save words to a txt file and it should have the full dictionary read out.
That way you can take those words in brackets (I assume) before the term itself and look them up online, etc.
Any tips for leeches? I tried making a deck with only them, it worked with a few of them but there is always that group of ten or so kanji that just doesn't tell me anything, like I never started studying them.
Endless writing practice.
Stupid way to learn it, honestly. Especially for us, as foreign learners. Go ahead and try to imitate them if you want to take a decade to learn kanji.
You realize that you're never going to get anywhere that way and buckle the fuck down. Stop letting yourself skip your reps and/or your reading. Days where you don't get your studies done should be a tiny minority.
I'm curious is muramasa really hard I've read some of it, but I'm curious on some of so called harder texts does anybody have an extract.
>"read the guide before asking questions" open link
>"guide (start here)" click
>"introduction (click here to get started with learning right away)" follow redirect
>"look up a chart of hiragana and katakana (such as this one for example)" open link
Which step made you stumble, ESL-kun? Try copy pasting the sentences you don't understand and I'll try using simpler English to explain them to you.
Apparently through learning Japanese they noticed and decided to become more careful about their English skills, this wouldn't be so bad except that they criticize those that don't do so and not address legitimate questions the poster may have. This happened to me too at some point down the track, still it really is a waste of time to point out flaws in somebody's post on a thread such as fast as this.
I stopped doing Anki but if I remember you can see your mature cards by clicking the graph at the top-right side of the screen when you are reviewing/learning your cards. Just scroll down to the bottom of the pop-up and there should be a pie graph.
I just started reading kumo desu ga and i'm at the prologue.
I'm not sure what the last line means? "The common thing to these Demon Kings is their hostility towards humans and possesion of great power"? Is that somewhat right?
>finish last episode of I Wanna be the Scare
The Japanese have it easy... we're over here sweating for Muramasa and Dies Irae. What've they got thats nearly as hard? I don't see anyone snipping to read Gene Wolfe over there.
Okay...? What is your point? You think people aren't learning English there to read classics? Then you're wrong. There's a pretty large demographic that doesn't care for anime related stuff at all and rather reads literature.
>thinking ANYONE is learning English to read joyce
I bet there are at least a few Japanese people for whom something like Planescape: Torment has a similar status. Of course the language itself is for the most part perfectly normal so once you do have a solid grasp of English it's no problem, but at the stage when you're not yet great at it the sheer amount of text and the unusual and abstract themes it revolves around probably make it pretty intimidating and hard to interpret correctly.
>not knowing some old irish writer who writes needlessly learned books reflects poorly on me
>People who know Japanese don't read VNs
But that's not true though. If people didn't read VNs then they wouldn't adapt manga/anime from them in the first place. And even assuming literally nobody read them before an anime adaptation, people sure as shit do once they have an anime.
Indeed, in the west.
>some old irish writer
I mean, he's very popular and discussed all the time. If you don't know him it means you're ignorant of western literature and that reflects poorly on you. Kind of like how if you ask who Kobe Bryant is, it'll reflect poorly on you in regards to basketball.
I still don't see your point. Yes, more people read children's books than they read [insert random classic] here. Doesn't really have to do with anything though.
The point is that people who are interested in literature over in Japan (or anywhere) might learn English.
Your brain is the actual size of a pea.
Literally nobody the fuck cares
Stop judging people by your arbitrary standards
Just because somebody isn't into literature doesn't mean he's retarded or stupid
You're just being meaninglessly elitist by imposing your standards on other people to make yourself feel superior
OK. (from my perspective, gained from spending time here) There's a significant number of people learning Japanese specifically to read VNs, with Muramasa and Dies Irae to be big motivators. There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English for the likes of Joyce and Nakobov. Especially since writers like Nakobov have Japanese translations, and Joyce is somebody nobody ever wants to read.
>doesn't mean he's retarded or stupid
Right, he's just extremely ignorant of western literature. I don't feel superior for knowing Joyce or anything, it's just a name. A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant. I don't see your problem here.
>Right, he's just extremely ignorant of western literature. I don't feel superior for knowing Joyce or anything, it's just a name. A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant. I don't see your problem here.
Make up your mind, is the person ignorant of western literature or ignorant
>and discussed all the time
Maybe amongst puffs, I've never heard of him mentioned anywhere myself. Other than Shakespeare and the odd specific old book (like Of Mice and Men) I've never been around people who discuss literature, especially old literature.
Are you rich? It sounds like something rich twats discuss over tea and biscuits in their fancy suit and tie.
>Literally nobody the fuck cares
"the fuck" doesn't belong there, if you really wanted to say fuck you'd say "fucking" there instead.
>There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English for the likes of Joyce and Nakobov
Nice justiffication there friend. "I don't want to read it so nobody else does too!" There are translations for a ton of jap shit that people learning jap read anyway.
>A name so common that when someone says they don't know it I immediately know they are extremely ignorant.
Seriosuly where do you live? Are you rich? Do you have rich friends? Maybe they learnt about Joyce in American school but here I've never learnt anything about or heard anything about the guy.
The people who actually start learning Japanese for VNs is extremely small and niche. Hell, the translated VN community is small even.
>There is almost certainly NOT a significant number of Japanese people learning English
Within the literature community, there are.
>and Joyce is somebody nobody ever wants to read
This is so ironic it hurts. You call people ignorant, then write something like this. Just because you are clearly brain dead and can't grasp prose doesn't mean others can't. Millions of people read and love him, he's a fantastic and very fun writer.
I said "ignorant of western literature" so the second time I said "ignorant" I was referring to the same thing.
>"I don't want to read it so nobody else does too!"
Have you seen Joyce? Go check out the first page of Finnegan's Wake. I'll wait.
>Maybe amongst puffs, I've never heard of him mentioned anywhere myself.
>Seriosuly where do you live? Are you rich? Do you have rich friends?
I live in poor rural southern America. I heard of him because he's stupid famous and discussed all the goddamn time. He was even mentioned IN THIS VERY THREAD JUST 8 DAYS AGO
Seriously. Spend any time on /lit/, /r/literature, or any other frickin forum about literature and you'll stumble all over Joyce. He's extremely famous.
Did you seriously not know Monet?
>Millions of people read and love him, he's a fantastic and very fun writer.
Why do Japanese bother learning Kanji when they could just use a phonetic alphabet? I mean, they have Hiragana already, why would you need Kanji when Hiragana does the same thing? It seems old fashioned!
>Dude, I'm an ESL fag and I had to study Joyce in highschool.
>I live in poor rural southern America
That explains why it's so "common" then. Here in the UK we have never learnt about him, if he's taught in American schools then I understand why you'd be shocked I've not heard of him.
>Have you seen Joyce? Go check out the first page of Finnegan's Wake. I'll wait.
>LOOOL ILL BRING UP HIS EXPERIMENTAL NOVEL TO MAKE A POINT
>let's ignore his easy as fuck but famous books like Dubliners and Portrait
Again, you just sound like someone really stupid who has probably read less than 5 classics and gets overwhelmed by anything above children's book tier prose. Kindly off yourself.
This has been discussed a ton already. There are too many words with the same pronunciation for a phonetic alphabet to work. Just google your question and I'm sure you'll find tons of articles on why it is the way it is. >>139743417 this too.
May the force be for Japan.
＿＿_/z ＼ヽ ﾉ＼＿＿
Ｙ ノ＿＿) /
／＼ ヽ_＿ノ ／
/ ヽ ＼ ー＜
`/ | ヽノヽ＼
｜ ＼ |てﾊ|
｜＼ ￣￣＼ ||ﾚﾚﾍ
( ＼ )ノ|| ｜
|＼ ＼＿_／ / || Ｖ
ヽ ＼＿＿＿／ || ヽ
>Google "nobody the fuck" in quotes, plenty of results.
This is what happens when allow brain dead twats access to technology. Coincidentally I'm sure, googling that resulted in a bunch of black peoples twitter accounts. What a coinsidence.
>cursing in a gramatically broken way is "language evolution"
How can you call someone a brain dead twat when you're too lazy to proof read your own posts?
>>cursing in a gramatically broken way is "language evolution"
Are you saying cursing does not evolve languages? Give me an objective reply if you're not going back on that statement. And please tell me how languages evolve when bending the grammar is not part of it, should be interesting
This "loanwords == katakana" myth needs to be dispelled once and for all
>That's one is really obvious though
Oh my god, are you trolling?
OK, sorry, that was rude of me.
名 means name, and it is pronounced な.
前 means "before"/"in front of" and in this case is pronounced まえ
so 名前, even though it sounds like "name" somewhat, has such heavy roots in Japanese words (and history, anyway, it was used before the dutch came over) that there's no chance it's a loanword.
That guy who mentioned ダメ was trolling so I assumed you were too
>Why is it before the name?
名前 refers to first name. 前 meaning "in front of" in this case.
>Could it be that the Chinese got it as a loanword and the Japanese got it by proxy through Kanji?
>I'm not saying it's true, that's just what I believe in.
>Looks like too good to be true
What the fuck are you talking about? Surely if anything the concept that なまえ sort of sounds like "name" so therefore it is a loan word is the one that's "too good do be true".
How the fuck is combining in front of and name a ridiculous leap to "first name". You're a fucking idiot anon, please at least try to use whatever pathetic excuse for a brain you have in there.
What kanji is this?
I only recognize the radical on the top right, tried drawing it on google but couldn't get results
What's your problem?
If it was something like "before last name" I would get it. But it's just "before name", how can the first name be before anything else? It's first by definition.
>how can the first name be before anything else? It's first by definition
Your first name is before your last name. I'm begining to fear you're genuinely ill and not just baiting.
ALT+¬ is english, ALT+CAPS is nip
なまえ mean first name, so how can it be first before the first name? That's just impossible by definition, even outside of my beliefs.
That makes even less sense, how can it be first if it's second?