Because he never treated her like the alpha she thought she was. Because she liked him, but hated how he was too dense to realize how badly she wanted his entry plug in her connection terminal.
Because, apparently, it's normal for others to get caught in the crossfire of your own self-hatred
Because she was a traumatized 14 year old whose entire existence had revolved around being the best and being validated by the attention from it. Shinji was a reclusive, shy kid who overshadowed her on top of being someone she was interested in/attracted to despite him being the antithesis of what she aspired to be attracted to in order to feel like an independent adult.
Kaji = alpha male
Shinji = omega male
Asuka's natural instincts to selectively breed took control. Her shunning Shinji was akin to female herd animals warding-off an unworthy male so that Kaji (the superior male) can have exclusive breeding rights.
This is why women can't be trusted; at the end of the day, they are controlled by estrogen.
She's a bitch with no self insight.
Rei is a good girl with self insight.
Rei is best girl
although even she can be bitchy some times
IIRC she hated how he didn't walk around acting like an arrogant hot shot despite getting all the praise for piloting an eva. He had what she wanted in that aspect but he didn't really care for it while she lived for it.
She hates him because his pathetic self is an outward reflect of her inner self.
She hates him because he has so much going and doesn't care about it. He doesn't lavish her with praises either. It wounds her pride and ego this guy can be better than her.
She hates him for not acknowledging her little female wants and needs, even though she probably sees relationships in terms of power and Shinji doing that would seem like he's the superior, on top of her other problems with being intimate.
In short, she's crazy.
She hated everyone, but most importantly she hated herself.
She wanted a knight in shining armor who would love her for her, but unfortunately the only character in Eva who fits that role is a gay alien.
i can see the cockpit of an eva being like the mothers womb, and technically they are inside their mothers, with the AT field, but the whole vagina flaps thing and entry plug being a penis is pretty stupid and groundless
Why would I want to fuck an ugly tranny?
Tbf, that's an observation that's been floating around for close to two decades that's bolstered by the explicit Frued references in the show, but, on the contrary, you could probably see a penis and vagina in anything if you look hard enough.
i accept relationships if they are canon and ignore any fan pairings. if a character genuinely loves another character or has affection for them, there's no reason to deny it because you have some autistically obsessive "antishipping" code. In the end your both getting autistic over a pairing
Everyone rants about asukafags and the "fireposter" these days.
Asuka faggotry has reached some sort of high grade density, and we all suffer for it.
>BENIS IN VAGINA :DDDD
It is sort of funny though, and whether it was intentional or not, thar be phalluses anyway
if a character shows intense concern, affection, or physical closeness, chances are they do have some level of feelings for them. honestly though, only kaworu did nothing wrong. i remember being really triggered by it when i first watched it, but now i see that shinji was just going for the only person who showed him much kindness, and gender didn't matter at that point.
You can see penises and vaginas wherever you want.
Dream about entering a door? Clearly you want to get in that puss m8
Dream about filling a glass of water? Yeah, you fill that hole with your man liquid you stud
Not saying I do it myself, but you can interpret however the hell you want. I see it as being more of a coincidence that played out.
>do you guys also hate asuka, or just the poster?
For me it's more that I dislike the fanbase. Very toxic. Fireposter is just an exreme. Unfortunately that distaste does rub off on Asuka.
It's practically everyone, even Asuka fans need to call out the fireposter at times. At which point they will turn on each other.
>we're all little girls right gaies :3
>purest form of love
>but that's forbidden love
>what are you, some kind of faggot?
>ha ha I bet u havent even watched 20 shows, Naruto/SnK/KlK/whatever fag
>boku no pico
>FINDS A WAY!!!
>I want to fuck X
>hey, X is my waifu
>shit taste detected
>why is she so perfect
>X best girl
>X a shit
>what do X's feet smell like??
>i want to hold hands with X
>b-b-b-but anon, that's l-l-lewd
>i want to
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>you outsider scum are ruining my perfect board, fuck off before I email moot
I know you love to call the people you disagree with you outsiders, but the problem with /a/ is you. Every posting style that /a/ has developed memetically is unfunny and obnoxious. You can find better discussion in youtube comments, and most of /a/ is best girl flame wars and fawning over softcore porn. You assume your board is a paradise and redirect anybody who doesn't fit in to somewhere else. You belong to both the dumbest and most pretentious board on this site. You are misguided. You think you are protecting something valuable when you are only fitting in to delusional groupthink. The project of your life is a vapid wasteland, a glitzy casino made of recycled water bottles, a treasured nothing. You will believe you've won an argument when I stop responding. You are an idiot and belong in the prison you built out of strangers.
The fireposter and textwalling autist are the representative extremes of the Asukafag and Reifag fanbase respectively.
If both of them got banned I foresee Eva threads would be a hell of a lot better.
Fireposter gets banned already, and "textwalling autist" doesn't exist, it's what the fireposter calls anyone posting more than five lines of text that also says something he disagrees with.
Even other asuka fans.
Why are we discussing why a character from a shitty overrated anime hates the pussiest of all MCs?
How to fix Evangelion threads:
Put a permaban on the fireposters ISP. Let mods moderate Evangelion-threads actively and remove him whenever he arises from some proxy. Hell, ban any Asuka fan who supports his shitposting as well.
Enjoy vastly improved Evangelion posting.
I'm the one who gave the guy the name fireposter in the first place, I honestly didn't think it would still be a thing so many months later.
I don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.
There was some OC lately, not very good but still accurate OC
>Why DID asuka hate shinji so much
She's jealous that he's better than her and also that he is the best girl of the show.
no, rei was holding a toilet which had asuka in it, in that thread.
What do you mean, behind the scenes?
You know it was me who named you from last year because we were in the same thread when you were spamming fire and got banned for it.
It's not my fault that it caught on, I only called you it like twice.
/autism/ here, that's probably why i could relate to shinji
If it wasn't fireposter, it'd be something else.
There's been many "fireposters", I remember before that there was a tripfag named "asukafagget" as well that was notorious for shitting up things.
What was this pasta railing against originally?
Seems like some Huffpo commentator got their jimmies severely rustled, and tried to pull the I'm-the-Only-Adult-in-the-Room card. I'd love to know what burnt his bum.
Wait, so Asukafags shitpost incessantly, and Reifags actually discuss things?
Why don't we just gas all the Asukafags then or put them in the oven, and have great Evangelion threads?
Uh, no. I'd be saying that people would be calling you something else, Mr. Fireposter.
Your whole crusade against Reifags was always a lost fucking fight because everyone, even Asuka fans know you're full of shit, and you even attack kaworu fans and everyone else.
He was always autismo #1.
Why have I not been informed that this actually EXISTED? The fuck is up you guys
*Asukafags derail threads with meta
You can't just attack Reifags for doing something everyone else except asukafags like the fireposter is trying to do, actually talk.
Reifags and other Evafags are perfectly capable of having adult conversation, after all there's a reason Asuka-fans frequently get banned on this board, because they just go too far with their off-topic nonsense.
the point was he was an insecure teenager going through puberty in a fucked world. of course he couldn't do things right, the eva system was ultimately a failure because fourteen year olds with extreme mental disorders could not be relied on to be soldiers
>He left Asuka to die
>Didn't get the balls to go against his father
>Got pushed around whitout the force to say no to anyone
>Isn't a pussy
Also, Evangelion is shit. Just because the ending was 2deep doesn't mean it's better than the shits like Bleach or Fairy Tail that go straight to the fight without plot development.
Too many dialogues that weren't used for nothing. Too many scenes that were just to fill the 26 episodes. And they even need a movie to explain the shit they made in the 2 last episodes. Sorry, dude, it's shitty and overrated. 6/10.
>implying I didn't just pick an image in my eva folder to get some images in this text-hell
Because according to you, I must now be a shipping faggot as well, right?
Go away you loon.
>Why DID asuka hate shinji so much
the better question is who didn't hate shinji?
seriously though this is in part because she was a suicidal girl; who dedicated her whole existence to proving she wasn't going to "wimp out" and kill herself like her mother, and dedicated her young life to being the "BEST" to validate that existence.
Then along comes Shinji the beta-kun Akari. Put yourself in Asuka's shoes for a minute. Here you are winding yourself up, putting forth 110% all the time, just to keep your mind off killing yourself like your worthless mother. just to give yourself purpose. and along comes this pussy little unmotivated whiny little bitch called Shinji. Whats worse is Shinji doesn't even TRY and he's better at the one thing you thought you mastered. He doesn't even want to pilot the EVA yet he's already a better pilot then she could ever be. No matter how hard she tries she'll never be as good as he is.
Considering the above it would piss me off every time that apathetic beta fucker opened his mouth to whine about something. It would piss me off whenever he bitched or complained. it would piss me off whenever he acted unmotivated. Throw in the fact she's a 14yo girl with a serious death wish and you can't blame her for both wanting to fuck him so she doesn't die a virgin AND hate his guts at the same time. (who else is she going to fuck in her age group?) She probably WANTS to love him so fucking him will meet her dream scenario for losing her virginity, but he's such a whiny bitch it sets her off every time he does anything.
BTW: I already know there will be a group of people complaining that Asuka wasn't suicidal. She 100% was, and you need to rewatch NGE again if you didn't get that aspect of her character. she didn't kill herself because she thought that was the "wimp" way to go out, but it showed up as a massive deathwish and disregard for her safety, along with her desire to fuck SOMEONE before she died.
he was a kid, the entire point of eva was that a teenager with mental disorders would not flourish when burdened with murder and the lives of billions of people. it's not a show about fights, so the ending isn't supposed to be some light entertainment that only pleases the senses or shallow emotions. it's a criticism and study of society, civilization, and the human soul and mind.
>along with her desire to fuck SOMEONE before she died
Nope. Shinji or bust.
>Put yourself in Asuka's shoes for a minute. Here you are winding yourself up, putting forth 110% all the time
More like 30% or 40%. I never saw Asuka as someone who put in a lot of effort.
Every time there's something to do, bam, Rei's there with a volunteering attitude. Asuka only wants to do things afterwards for rivalry's sake.
Take the magma diver incident. She thinks it's below her to do the job, and so she never really tries to do her best and only wants to when Rei volunteers.
Then when they're off to dance, Rei nails it and Asuka doesn't because she doesn't want to put in the effort.
She's the archetypical spoiled brat. Compared to Shinji or Rei, she's basically satan.
Wasn't Shinji just the rebound pick for Asuka, in case Kaji rejected her?
Though its obvious that Shinji and Kaji were the only men that Asuka was interested in, and even then it took a while before Asuka warmed up to the thought of Shinji.
Awesome shipping discussion we're having here giys nyaa~ Remember fireposter is a meanie! >___<
Now let's get back to some astute discussion, am I right /a/nons!? Heck yayuh. You know it.
I'm undesirable not just to Kaji, but even to a fag like Shinji?
Better kill myself.
t. Asuka "cuck" Soryu.
If Kaji is Asuka's dream lover, then Shinji is like the cheap slut that she fucks and dumps one night when she's drunk.
She laughed when Shinji "died" from Leliel. She's practically a landwhale from tumblr.
Alternate hairstyles, go.
Rei is such best girl.
I didn't want a "light entertainment that only pleases the senses or shallow emotions", I just wanted that Evangelion could brang ANY emotion. The anime don't make you care about the characters. The anime sold itself as an mecha anime and when you watched it wasn't that. Between the fights it hadn't any plot except the depression and doubts of Shinji, and even that is finished poorly in the end.
Evangelion is just masturbatory material for people who think they are better then the rest because saw something deep in it.
It's funny if you acknowledge that it ignores so much of the show. But some retards really think like that.
>if i wer shinji i would of tapped them 3 bitches at the same time while riding on my robot he's such a puss
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>Why DID asuka hate shinji so much
She hates everything because she's frustrated with herself not being the best.
Shinji is a better pilot, Rei is a better student, better soldier, better discipline and always so perfect and nice. And she is a bitch who ruins everything and she knows it.
That's why she's super mad.
She was programmed that she lives to be the best but she cant be the best so she hates herself and her life and the world and literally everything.
Asuka knows she's the worst girl herself.Jealous of Shinji, jealous of Rei, is there anyone that's worse than Asuka?
There are best girls, boys and best women too.
He got all the attention and results, even though he was trash. She got none of the attention nor result even though she was competent. She never got a good reaction out of him when they reacted. He couldn't even make advances on her unless she was comatose. She expected a man when he was just a boy.
>The anime sold itself as an mecha anime and when you watched it wasn't that
i actually knew nothing about it being "deep" before i watched it, so i was surprised by it, but i also liked. I'm sorry the anime didn't make you care about the characters, although that wasn't so much the point.
Sorry mang, you don't get to redefine perfection.
What rei's hair is that is the perfect ahair, all deviation from the perfect are a change to worse
Rei is so motivating.
She suffers a lot but she does her best, even when it hurts her.
Right? Two of them have mommy/daddy issues respectively, and the other is a brick wall in human form.
Not to mention the higher your synchro rate the more real the pain feels, and that includes having your hand impaled, being cooked alive via laser, mind fucked, etc.
It's just bad and the homo and Kaji don't make up for the all negatives. Fuck getting in the robot.
>s there anyone that's worse than Asuka?
That's why Asuka is feeling okay with her.
Hikari is so boring and non-outstanging so Asuka feels superior and confortable with her.
>He left Asuka to die
To be fair to Shinji, i always thought that Unit 01 was supposed to be encased in bakelite at that point, so Shinji couldnt get to it, and the reason he was all mopy in the hangar was cos he realised there was litteraly nothing he could do
What about this one?
Hikari is sort of a doormat that sucks up to Asuka, understandable why they'd pair up.
How does this make you feel?
>that's not what the series is about you mongloid
Who said the series was about that? There are still best boys, best men, best women and best girls in NGE.
I'm sorry pal, but when i seen Rei for the first time I stopped fapping for redheads and long hair, started searching short hair tag.
Just so you know how much she dictates what i like, so sorry i don't want any other hair.
>I didn't want
That doesn't matter. The intention of the anime was just to use mecha as a vehicle for social commentary. If you didn't get out of it what you wanted, that's because it was never a mecha anime played straight. This isn't pretentiously "deep" like the useless Christian imagery. This is deliberately frustrating the viewer's expectations because that's what post-modernism likes to do.
>He got all the attention and results, even though he was trash. She got none of the attention nor result even though she was competent.
>Consistently getting results
Asuka is the one that's trash, not Shinji. No matter how much Asuka or Asuka fans lie to themselves, that's the truth.
Asuka is worse than Rei and Shinji at being a soldier, an EVA-pilot. She's weaker, Shinji and Rei are stronger.
and when it is about the mechas, it portrays them in a radically different and unsettling way. Instead of having robots, you have giant psuedo-humans with destroyed minds and warped features
But some have more flaws than others, and less merit than others.
Shinji is best boy.
Rei is best girl.
Misato is best woman.
Kaji is best man.
Shinji didn't, even after going through much worse than Asuka.
Shinji is pretty good all things considered. Still not the epitome of manliness, but not that bad.
Not to mention how she personally almost fucked up everything several times when taking initiative.
Like charging at the double angel, or leading the team at blackout NERV without knowing the way and getting mindbroken, losing control of eva and becoming a vegetable.
All your comlpains about his manliness come from extreme shitfuck he goes through most watchers cant even relate ar imagine.
So they think he's a crying bitch.
But he still does his job all the time.
Calm your tits. Synching with your EVA is a skill. Asuka has a worse synch ratio than Shinji, period. That and Asuka sucks at piloting her EVA because like Rei says, she doesn't open her heart.
Shinji and Rei can do that, and so they get the benefits.
Glorious nippon kamikaze spirit folded over a thousand times.
Something that makes her the best girl.
Also that might actually be something that motivated shinji and it's not like she had any better option.
I'm not saying that Evangelion not being a straight mecha anime is what made it bad. I'm saying that even the mecha scenes, and even the Melancholy of Shinji Ikari scenes where all poor. The whole anime could be just him seated in a chair and talking to himself and critcizing whatever you think the anime criticized. And it could be good.
But Evangelion tried to be an Action and a Drama, and failed at both
Got farther than Asuka, who got blown the fuck out.
Even when Rei's eva was damaged!
>synch isn't a skill
Just because Asuka sucks at it, it doesn't count?
Having a stable sync and to be able to open yourself to the EVA is the CANONICAL way of gitting gud at Eva piloting. Rei does it, Shinji does it, Asucan't.
Yeah but Rei showed her. Rei showed her good.
her and that little girl of hers
You wanted it to be a certain kind of action, drama, and because it wasn't you don't understand how other people do like it. I don't think everyone should, or even can like it, but don't insist it wasn't good. hell, I hated it the first time i watched it, but after thinking over and re-watching it, i saw how good it was.
If it was Shinji sitting in a chair it wouldn't be nearly as interesting, and without all the 2deep4u imagery it wouldn't have received as much attention as it does. Eva doesn't try to be two different genres in a straightforward way, it uses one to draw attention to the other.
>And I'm saying if Rei was limited to one life she wouldn't even be a pilot.
Nither would Asuka if she got hit by a car.
Or if she wasn't saved by shinji on her first mission
Or if they weren't saved by Rei leading the way
Or if Asuka wasn't saved from lava
Or if they actually given Rei controls over unit 02 in dancing episode and Asuka comitted suicide.
Your arguments are pathetic and only show how assblasted you are
dependent, not entirely dependent. It depends a whole lot on the pilot too.
>And I'm saying if Rei was limited to one life she
But she isn't. It's great.
>if Rei wasn't Rei she wouldn't be better than Asuka!
It's not dependent on the mom soul. It's Asuka who sucks at interfacing with her EVA.
Watch Evangelion some time. Asuka is shit, even if she is your putrid waifu. Listen to what the characters say, listen to Rei, who is Asuka's superior when it comes to knowing about Eva-stuff.
It's said by all that opening one's heart to the EVA, and not putting up your AT-field, not introverting yourself and shutting others out is the reason for why Asuka can't get to pilot her EVA well.
That's why Shinji ends up being able to interface better with his EVA, why Rei is constantly able to hold a connection, and it's why Asuka nosedives into the trash where she belongs in the end, because SHE can't pilot her EVA any more.
So deal with it, Asukafag. Asuka is canonically shit and there's little you can do to deny it.
>but muh german heritage
>but muh college
>but muh she was supposed to be special
Thematic irony, she's shit despite thinking she's the best.
But Asuka didn't lose a life and never got extra lives like Rei did. Respond to me one at a time too, shit's obnoxious.
Synch is entirely dependant on the mother child bond and thus no indicative of skill.
yeah, that's probably it
thanks for a legitimate good answer, of course this thread went to shit, but at least it was okay for about a dozen posts before the ship, antiship, asuka, rei, antiasuka, antirei, and antieva fag showed up
>born to be a blank slate
>brought up like a wife surrogate
>effectively made to be anti-social and repel others
>eventually experiences more of the world and learns to stand for her own feelings, sacrifices herself even after coming to grips with meaning in life and developing her own feelings
I'm no reifag and maybe a person can argue that the mode by which she develops is questionable, but her character growth is pretty obvious. The next rei is a bit less interesting since she comes into existence already disillusioned with the world around her as the prior rei set the framework for her to grow from.
Here's what makes it more interesting:
"The next Rei" is Rei herself. Don't treat them as two characters, the show doesn't and neither should you. It's not like that garbage-heap Rebuild is.
Same soul, different memories, BAM, existential thought experiment.
If Rei could die Asuka would never become a Pilot because Ramiil
If Rei could die Shinji wouldn't get in the fucking robot for the first time.
If Rei wasn't there Evangelion would never be a thing, she's a key character and holds the plot, she's Lilith for fucks sake.
But the funnest part is that Asuka could easily be replaced and Reiclones with shinji could handle all of that.
Asuka has never done something only she could do. She was always a tag along.
UNNGHHH WOW SO DEEEEPPP CLOOOONNESS AHAHAHA SO EXISTENTIAL EEEEEEE
I'm fucking dying. Pick up a philosophy book once in a while, if you can, so your head can explode and you won't taint these threads.
Good points, but there's more to it than that. Rei gets to experience more of life and all that, but she's also longing to return to her real form, to die and return to Lilith.
Rei coming to terms with how Gendo is keeping her from doing that is part of the character.
So when Rei gets blown up, she comes back reincarnated into a new clone body, and now she's facing those issues as well.
Rei only gets more and more interesting
>posting on his phone cause he's banned
No man you're really dumb and misguided.
First of all Rei was never made to be antisocial.
She just is.
Why? Because she can't enjoy life knowing she's a god who will pretty soon destroy the world and kill everyone.
However she has a pure and nice heart so she still can't resist caring about everyone else and help by any means necessary would it be an advice, a word of comfort or maybe covering someone with one of her disposable bodies.
Rei recognizes herself that dhe isn't exactly the same person yesterday that she is today. Being of the same soul doesn't change that she feels different, hence the "I think I'm the third" or whatever quote. It's interesting to look at from the perspective that she both is and isn't the same person and that individual experience helps define what makes us "us".
not that guy but
Putting Rei in a basement and depriving her of human dignity is bound to make her introverted and antisocial. She isn't "just" antisocial because it's cool, her life
or lack thereofhas made her numb, dull and cold.
There's still warmth beneath her exterior of course.
She doesn't know she's a god until the end.
Well if you look at it like that, then sure. I'm not the same person as I was yesterday either, since I changed a little bit.
But I'm still me, and that's what Rei also says.
It's just that Rei gets more interesting after she dies, not less. It's sad and whatnot, but damn is it a real good character development.
>Putting Rei in a basement and depriving her of human dignity is bound to make her introverted and antisocial.
Sounds extremely dumb to me.
Who ever said she was deprived of anything?
Who said she was denied anything?
They let her have her own appartment and attend to school with everyoone else, she had free time and shit.
I'm almost certain she chose such life because fuck life.
Her very existence was fake and unnatural, that's why she hates life.
Akagi said that "she's not very good with living" she doesn't even want to enjoy the life.
Or she thinks that she doesn't need it but later she finds out that she was horribly lonely all along.
Yeah, I don't know how people can like 60% of Eva, but don't get me wrong, I don't hate it that's why I said it's a 6/10, it's way above most things we see. I like the strong imagery. I like how they deconstructed the mechas and made it almost humanised. I liked the design and everything. I just think that half of the anime could be thrown out, like the scenes with jokes that doesn't fit in the overall. They could make and ending that made sense alone, that didn't need a movie. They could explore more the complexity of others characters not only Shinji. Hell in the end Asuka is literaly just something to Shinji fap to.
Why? Because she can't enjoy life knowing she's a god who will pretty soon destroy the world and kill everyone.
Is she even actually aware of that from the start? Rei 1 seemed like a normal kid before she got murdered and even Rei can smile when she's with Gendo. It's not until after she accepts shinji and later dies that it seems she makes it obvious she's figured out what's going on.
>maybe covering someone with one of her disposable bodies.
This is bollocks. She's not just killing herself because she knows she'll come back. Her current existence held some meaning to her and that's why her sacrifice is supposed to have some meaning. Making it look like "oh, I'll just come back" seriously undermines the character arc.
>Who ever said she was deprived of anything?
>Who said she was denied anything?
The anime did. Killing her, letting her live in a black room alone at NERV, and then telling her she can be replaced at their whim is depriving Rei of any human dignity.
Even letting her live alone without any parents is severe child neglect.
You definitely have some points that
>Her very existence was fake and unnatural, that's why she hates life.
>Akagi said that "she's not very good with living" she doesn't even want to enjoy the life.
but it's not that she hates life. She really just doesn't know how to live properly and socially because of the prior neglect.
That's why being forced to get together with the other children changes her. I think she chose to stay alone, but she chose to stay alone due to prior influence as well. Just like the future influence changes her.
If you knew you're going to die tomorrow what would you do?
And even if you chose to have fun would you actually enjoy it?
>This is bollocks. She's not just killing herself because she knows she'll come back.
She literally is.
She keeps saaying "Don't worry, I can be replaced" literally. She knows it's okay for her to die and she doesn't really love her life.
More so. She said she was actually waiting for the day she'll be free.
She hated life and waited for appocallipse to be free.
>Her current existence held some meaning to her
Not before she became dear and lovely friends with shinji.
She gradually starts getting into that life thing the more she gets along with shinji and others.
And as she said she used to be praying every day for when she finally is free from this life, but later she grew to fear it. She started fearing death after she got close with Shinji.
And i don't mean small death with respawn, she was thinking about complete end of her human existence.
And yes, that implies that she knew what she is all along.
It explores a rather pedestrian theme (Who am I and what made me that way) through a rather supernatural one (knowing more about the world while having no recollection of how that happened). Rei dying and coming to realize more about her role in the world and in the plans of others is mixed with her inability to recall the specific circumstances that led to these realizations as well as the specific circumstances surrounding her sacrifice and the boy who has been waiting for her to "recover." It's a little more nuanced than waking up in the morning but it explores the same underlying concepts making it accessible to audiences even though it's actually rather alien in its specifics.
I don't know how you can be a reifag while simultaneously misunderstanding and shitting on her character. She was capable of smiling because she could feel, but she was not raised to get along well with others and it probably didn't help she was murdered and knows human cruelty deep down.
>using deconstruct without knowing what it means
>They could explore more the complexity of others characters not only Shinji
did you even watch the show? Including Rei and Asuka a whole host of characters are given a lot of characterization.
>letting her live in a black room alone at NERV
Gendo was her parent.
But it just happens that he lives in NERV, so does she.
>and then telling her she can be replaced at their whim is depriving Rei
She could have learned it from when she respawned or from basicly learning what she really is.
Nobody was treatig her like a dog or degrading her because they hate her.
Gendo gave her his best, his best is not that good though, but at least he tried.
Besides any teenager would love to live on his/her own with a free apartment to have parties at.
They gave her a room, let her go to school, If she wanted to have some wallpapers on thos concrete walls she would, she must have chose this.
>but it's not that she hates life. She really just doesn't know how to live properly and socially because of the prior neglect.
She thinks she hates this life.
She's teling herself that she hates this life.
A little too late she comes to realize that she's gonna miss it all.
There's a lot more to her than meets the eye.
It's not like they made her like that. But yes, if she grew up happily she would be running with a toast.
But nobody was purposely making her life worse. They weren't torturing her.
I'll take the shy girl who is also smart and kind if you approach her over the dumb bitch who just wants to be impregnated by someone who resembles his dad. If Shinji was an alpha male he would totally be banging that pussy, but he got stuck with the slut.
Rei is best girl.
It's been like half a decade since I've seen anything Eva so maybe you're right, but I was under the impression that the point of her arc was that with her sacrifice she finally did care for her current existence unlike in the beginning of the series where she's going to pilot while injured. And not in the "I'm lillith so I'm going to end the world and stop being human" sort of way. I was under the impression she didn't quite know what she was or what her role was at first. Though under that supposition I can't confirm when she figured it out.
>Not giving any examples
>Not giving any argument
Yeah, dude, ignored~
>She was capable of smiling because she could feel,
I never said she couldn't feel.
She could feel everything.
But I believe she was withdrawn from the life itself because she knew her life is fake and will be short.
She kept telling herself that she doesn't need friends, she doesn't want fun, and so on even if she actually wanted to.
Because it would hurt a lot getting attached to this world and losing it.
She was overburdened by her own unique existence to have fun.
>who am i?
>what am I?
And all above bullshit was pretty heave so she really couldn't knock it off and have fun.
She was too busy with her existence.
>It explores a rather pedestrian theme (Who am I and what made me that way) through a rather supernatural one (knowing more about the world while having no recollection of how that happened).
Pedestrian? Son, it's the problem philosophers and intellectuals, even scientists nowadays argue is the only problem left that is "hard". We can calculate everything else, but there is a fundamental difficulty in understanding or explaining what we are.
>Rei dying and coming to realize more about her role in the world and in the plans of others is mixed with her inability to recall the specific circumstances that led to these realizations as well as the specific circumstances surrounding her sacrifice and the boy who has been waiting for her to "recover." It's a little more nuanced than waking up in the morning but it explores the same underlying concepts making it accessible to audiences even though it's actually rather alien in its specifics.
Which is the genius of it, it's a really tough concept to handle in itself, and through Rei we can make it accessible.
What my main point was, is that Rei II and Rei III are not different characters, and discussing them as they were two people instead of one is grossly undermining the character.
I believe at first she's like
>A am Lilith I will destroy the world, don't worry i'm immortal
But then she really can't bottle up her feelings anymore and she really likes Shinji, and everyone and her memories.
That's why she's crying when she's exploding herself.
her life gained meaning to her.
Maybe she was antisocial trying to escape those feels, maybe she just didn't know they existed or didn't care.
But first she didnt care about life,
Then she started caring.
But it's nothing like NERV guys made her antisocial just because EVIL and shit.
>Gendo was her parent.
Gendo is known as the worst parent ever. He only started taking care of Rei later in her life, when she was a few years.
>But it just happens that he lives in NERV, so does she.
We don't know where Gendo lives. He certainly doesn't live down in the basement.
>She could have learned it from when she respawned or from basicly learning what she really is.
Well, she didn't. There's nothing in the series that indicates that she does, and if she knew everything, she wouldn't be so obsessed with finding out what she was.
>Nobody was treatig her like a dog or degrading her because they hate her.
Naoko choking her was mean. Putting her in the basement of NERV, in that dungeon is degrading her. It's child abuse.
>Gendo gave her his best, his best is not that good though, but at least he tried.
His best or his worst, Gendo's actions still influenced Rei negatively. He doesn't know how to live either, and that rubbed off on Rei.
>Besides any teenager would love to live on his/her own with a free apartment to have parties at.
They wouldn't. Only a teenager who has lived with others, a teenager that has lived alone his or hers whole life would be lonely and sad.
it honestly could have been a sphere
which would have been much cooler Unit 01 breaking 03's is 01's way of saying I'm the alpha and I'm gonna destroy your penis to prove it
But anon, Rei doesn't know that she's Lilith at all. She only finds that out later.
The NERV guys are responsible for Rei's asocial behavior, because they mistreated her and neglected her. That scientist woman even choked her to prove a point, that she was replaceable.
It meant that Rei became isolated from others, like an anime frankenstein without the misfigured face.
Rei the first said it straight in 25, until the end she was only aware of Lilith as a black box at the bottom of her brain that scared the shit out of her. A lot of her isolation was self-imposed, she went to school, she chose to ignore everyone there.
>Gendo is known as the worst parent ever. He only started taking care of Rei later in her life, when she was a few years
He created her like this.
She probably spawned when she already was equivalent of a 4yo old or something.
And yes, he was the only and the best parent she had.
>. He certainly doesn't live down in the basement.
I don't think he leaves NERV for walks and fun must be working 23 hours a day.
i bet he either sleeps in his cabinet or has a room with a bed in NERV.
> There's nothing in the series that indicates that she does,
She knows she can respawn
She knows She's "Something created by men"
She knows the day will come when she will stop being herself.
She really has some ideas. She does know she's special .
>Naoko choking her was mean.
Happens to everyone sometimes .
>Putting her in the basement of NERV, in that dungeon is degrading her. It's child abuse.
I suppose basements is where you make clones.
She had no one else, and Gendo was living on his work spending as much time with her as he possibly could.
I really think he loved his little daughter,
>His best or his worst, Gendo's actions still influenced Rei negatively.
He's the best parent she has. He created her and did everything he could for her.
He could little though.
But don't be so black and white.
Tough life made Rei like that.
it was not an evil masterplan to make her lonely and antisocial, I bet she was attending to school excatly to try and socialise her.
Yes, this is what I'm also saying. Rei isolates herself because she feels her existence isn't on par with everyone elses. She's got a limited lease on life. She doesn't need friends, she thnks. It doesn't matter if she dies or lives her life to the fullest.
She is like this because of what NERV did to her. They showed her something that scarred her, they showed her that they could kill her and revive her as they pleased.
>He created her like this.
We don't know that, and it's unlikely.
>And yes, he was the only and the best parent she had.
Doesn't make him good. He's unironically known as the worst parent in anime, save for the FMA guy.
>I don't think
Stop that. We don't know where Gendo lives, we don't know anything about the guy.
>She really has some ideas. She does know she's special .
Yes, but not in a good way. She thinks it makes her inferior somehow.
>Happens to everyone sometimes .
c'mon. Choking is not normal.
>Tough life made Rei like that.
>it was not an evil masterplan to make her lonely and antisocial,
It may not have been their intention, but it's what they did. They are people and they know what they are doing is mistreatment.
Even gendo knows he does bad things, that he abandoned Shinji and didn't deserve Rei's loyalty. Which is why he accepts his punishment.
>A lot of her isolation was self-imposed, she went to school, she chose to ignore everyone there.
Exactly my point.
The parenting could indded be better, but i'm really sure her isolation was her own choise and her own issue because she had some eally heavy shit going on in her little lovely head.
She just could go on and socialize in school , everybody was trying to be her friend, it didn't fly though. And gendo has nothing to do with that.
She could live a very normal proper life, she jist didn't.
And I don't think that gendo forbidden her to buy wallpapers and turning her room into a lovely place to live .
But you're just wrong anon.
Rei failed to normalize and socialize precisely because of Gendo's horrid parenting, and NERV's clear child abuse.
Rei has some heavy shit going on in her head, and it's to her credit that she is able to improve herself over the course of the series. But Rei has heavy shit in her head because Gendo is an asshole, and NERV more or less imprinted into her psyche that she was replaceable and worthless. That's traumatic.
She couldn't "just" live a normal and proper life without getting over her issues and understanding herself. That takes time, but Rei goes in the right direction at least.
>replying to the fireposter
Notice how he's posting with a new IP.
>we don't know anything about the guy.
We know everything.
He's a crazy zealot working every day and every night to revive Yui. He didn't abandon Shinji "because fuck you" he did it so he could make a giant robot for him. Probaly better than making Shin live in same basement with Rei.
>She thinks it makes her inferior somehow.
It makes her a space alien.
And she really has no idea how to live and what for. She's confused about her very existence, but i don't thnk she has any complexes about it.
It's not "hey Rei chan your cute, lets be friends" "No we can't be, i'm an alien, you should stay away from me" more like "Sorry but i'm too busy figuring out phylosofical problems of my existence atm"
>knows he does bad things,
Except that he saved the worls to begin with. Oh but he did it to hijack it for his own goals though. There's no good and bad people in EVA, just people. He's anot a villain, neither a hero.
You can legally join the real world military at age 17, and you can enlist at 16 if your ship date is after your birthday. Children can choose to enter an organization founded on violence only TWO years older than these characters are depicted as. Shut up.
It makes it sort of odd that Shinji manages to connect with Rei when other students had to have tried. Easy to picture years of her being approached and treating everybody exactly like she did Asuka.
It might have something to do with how Asuka approached her.
>hey you be my friend because why not
Shinji did show her genuine care about her.
Something she doesn't see every day.
>We know everything.
Not where he lives, which was the thing we were talking about.
>He didn't abandon Shinji "because fuck you" he did it so he could make a giant robot for him. Probaly better than making Shin live in same basement with Rei.
No damnit, he abandoned Shinji because he was weak. Shinji wasn't even intended to pilot the thing the way he saw it.
>It makes her a space alien.
Yeah, it's easy for us to say that. But not so much for Rei. She didn't watch NGE or have a whole wiki page dedicated to herself. She had to work it out from more or less no clues at all, plus everyone was treating her like disposable garbage at NERV.
>Except that he saved the worls to begin with.
He was part of destroying it in the first place. He was part of the GEHIRN/NERV team that started 2nd Impact. He ran away the day before, of course, so he wouldn't be killed.
But Gendo has the blood of approximately 3.5 billion people on his hands, and he's planning to go for 3.5 billion more.
>Oh but he did it to hijack it for his own goals though. There's no good and bad people in EVA, just people. He's anot a villain, neither a hero.
He's a villain.
Shinji doesn't instantly connect with Rei. He also gets the cold shoulder to begin with, and they don't get off nicely to begin with.
Shinji is jealous of Rei's conversations with his father, and Rei doesn't respect Shinji's attitude towards his father.
Barging into her room certainly didn't help either.
Shinji only breaks the barrier with Rei once he talks to her and shows genuine interest, and then shows that he genuinely cares when he opens up her entry plug and even sheds a few tears for her sake.
That reminded her of the time Gendo did it, and she's able to open up.
>But Gendo has the blood of approximately 3.5 billion people on his hands, and he's planning to go for 3.5 billion more.
It was Yui's plan.
Actually Yui was a super genius masterplan and Gendo was trying to do something but not really.
They kind of do. It's barely there and Rei comes off as sort of territorial and sizing Shinji up, but she was paying attention.
This explains it and why Shinji said "Because I'm just like you?"
Rei gets broken quite nicely
>hurr Asuka has a personality therefore she is a BITCH
found the cuckman
Rei is such a rusty, rusty toilet
Asuka is the best character ever created
except her having a personality has nothing to do with not liking her. the real problem is that her personality is shit. Misato has more personality than Asuka and she's better because she's not a twat. I like Asuka a lot cause I can understand why she's such a bitch, but you can't deny that she is, in fact, a bitch to everyone.
>her personality is shit
Because you project Rei's personality into her
>Rei doesn't look like a toilet u guys!!! Asuka is da toilet!!!!!!
Asuka hates herself and sees the things she hates most about herself in Shinji.
But she also has a crush on him for a whole lotta complicated reasons, and that complication just makes her hate Shinji and herself even more.
>not liking her
sure thing anon
>DUDE WHAT ARE EMOTIONS LMAO
Rei is such a shit character.
Because she loved him. They loved each other really. It wasn't hate, it was just that they saw the flaws in each other that they hated about themselves. The weakness deep down they tried to fight through apathy or bravado. I think the final scene where he is choking her and she calls him disgusting is beautiful because to me it signifies their relationship, their hat for each other but the deep rooted need they have for each other.
This is true, Asuka sees her worst traits in Shinji, but Shinji doesn't feel the same way. I think he does like Asuka's bravado, fake as it may be, as well as simply being sexually attracted to her.
But that anon was right about them needing each other, even if he didn't get the why part exactly correct.
>He sees a broken girl with no confidence
He never sees that. He's convinced Asuka is the opposite because of her facade.
And he especially never sees anything of himself in her either, he never understands her.
From her point of view, he's a threat to her reason for living, which is being the best Eva pilot. Also, she's tsundere for him and wants him to man-up, so that's bound to cause some frustration.
Anno confirmed it was an intent to kill.
The original line of Asuka was not "how disgusting", but "i'll never be killed by someone like you!"
Meaning yes, Shinji was actually genuinely trying to kill her.
You don't have to think so, but the canon proves so.
He went beserk because he saw some disturbing shit, an eva unit torn to pieces.
He already knew Asuka was dead before seeing the corpse you know, and he didn't react when he knew then.
How so? because a cliche line used in circumstances to be condescending was cut for the word 'disgusting'?
It's obvious he was just losing his mind and didn't want to kill her, just as it was obvious she wasn't really upset with Shinji at the end, just keeping up with her bravado. The end should signify more than anything that they didn't change as much as they thought.
>It's obvious he was just losing his mind and didn't want to kill her, just as it was obvious she wasn't really upset with Shinji at the end, just keeping up with her bravado
It's not obvious, nor so much as implied. That's just you fanwanking.
You assuming he meant to kill her is fucking fanwanking He was literally freaking out at her death and then all of sudden starts trying to kill her? Refute with facts, not the same exact comment restructured you big bitch. Have some kissing moms