Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1495

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I was a big fan of Indiana Jones; then I realized he was kind of a fake hero. The real heroes are the people who work hard and do their stuff right, like firefighters and policemen.

Why is "neko" (a Japanese cat) sometimes written in カタカナ? Isn't it a native Japanese word?

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Reminder that you should real an article from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/ every day.

Where do you go to find nipnog dubs for movies? Specifically looking for the old Star Wars movies.

>>139686842
>１６タイトル

パンピーに通じるのかねそれ

>>139686991
Because the writer felt like it, basically. There's no rule forcing you to use kanji.

>>139687034
Does it have the option of enabling romanization? Hepburn or Nihon-shoki, I can read both. I need it because I'm just starting out.

>>139687080
Nah, cut the bullshit and learn kana.

Is there any way to reorder new cards by word frequency?

I read a lot, so I have a whole bunch of accumulated new cards in my mining deck, and way too often I get bursts of rather specific vocab instead of more useful stuff.

>>139687080
No, but if you're just starting out, you won't understand any of it, romaji or not. Wait till you're a decent way through Tae Kim (at least through "Essential Grammar").

>>139687117
I'll learn them after doing some grammar for at least a few months (basic grammar), for now I'm just relying on various romanization systems.

出来ない
来
な
い

>>139687166
Just do it, it only takes like an hour.

>>139686991
明確な決めはないよ。見た目なら

成猫/子猫
オス猫/メス猫
くろねこ/クロ/黒猫/クロ猫
しろねこ/シロ/白猫/シロ猫
みけねこ/ミケ/三毛猫/ミケ猫
とらねこ/トラ/トラ猫

トラを虎と書いてるのはあまりないよ

種類ならカタカナで

アメリカンカール
アメリカンショートヘア
スコティッシュフォールド
マンチカン
シャム
ロシアンブルー

みたいなかんじになるよ。さんこうになったらうれしいな

>>139687034
>http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
Pretty cool, is this meant for children or something? Kids at this level really shouldn't have to care about this shit but it's still nice to have.

>>139687166
You should learn them before doing grammar, or at least while doing grammar. Kana really doesn't take very long.

What grammar guide are you using that is letting you get away with knowing no kana anyway? It's probably not a very good one.

>>139687225
>Kids at this level really shouldn't have to care about this shit but it's still nice to have.
It's Japan, anon.
Kids are supposed to be nobel prize winners at this point.

>>139686461

Yeah, it's not particularly hard when you have the system down. The trick is to not try too hard to make the visualization something that would make logical sense in real life, and to not assign abstract concepts to any radicals etc. because they're harder to visualize than physical things. The latter is one reason why the KD mnemonics are often pretty weak.

I do non-kanji stuff the same way by having a visualization for each kana or frequent kana combination, after you have it all set up it makes remembering words incredibly easy to the degree that 90% of the time you can remember a word correctly the day after you first encounter it.

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>>139687225
It's for kids and Japanese learners. There's an about page if you want to read it: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/about.html

If you click on the icons in pic related, there are descriptions of various natural disasters, how to prepare for them, and what to do when they happen.

>>139687211
Really? I would understand if you were talking about Spanish or German, but it's really hard to believe it with Japanese.
>>139687236
But that's just too much work, isn't it? I'm doing the Jenki series of textbooks for now, it has romanization and the Japanese systems too. I'll switch to them after I can read something more meaningful in the romanization systems.

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>>139687364
The purpose of a grammar guide is to get to you to point where you can start reading things in Japanese. You're going to get to the end of the grammar guide and realise you still can't read anything in Japanese because you can't read the writing system. Online dictionaries like jisho.org will be of no use to you either since they do not have romaji.

>>139687364
>I'll switch to them after I can read something more meaningful in the romanization systems.
You're doing yourself a disservice, mate. The sooner you learn kana the better.

>>139687441
But the meaning is still in English though. And I though grammar and kanas had nothing in common, besides being Japanese of course.
>>139687449
I'm not saying I wont, I just want to delay it for a few months after I have a basic grasp of grammar.

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>>139687515
>I'm not saying I wont, I just want to delay it for a few months after I have a basic grasp of grammar.
Nah, man. You're doing it tonight.

>finish reviews early
>think, cool now I got lots of time to do reading and shit for the rest of the day
>proceed to do unrelated shit for rest of the day

>>139687515
>I'm not saying I wont, I just want to delay it for a few months after I have a basic grasp of grammar.
Watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

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Is this good? I gave up 6 months ago then started again last month. Please don't laugh at me.

>>139688287
How many cards a day are you doing?

>>139688287
just dont give up again

>>139688287
You need to do more in terms of quantity. Up the new cards each day. Don't worry if you forget them, it doesn't matter because they'll come back, one day you'll remember them. Just make sure you are exposing yourself more.

>起きる
Jesus japan..

>>139688713
it's just like "Come to" in english

>>139688780
>occur
>get up

I can see it
thanks that helps

>>139688713
what about it

So I started learning this characters (kanji), but I don't understand which pronunciation to learn, the Chinese (onyomi) or the Japanese (kunyomi)? I'm thinking Japanese since I'm learning Japanese, is this correct?

>>139688913
No, learn vocab instead

>>139688713
それがどうかしたの？

>>139688913
hahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_GCS479iNM

>>139688938
I don't understand. Kanji is the vocab and kana is the writing pronunciation device, right?

>have an old android phone
>install ankidroid
>only study on phone
>want to study on pc
>try and sync phone data
>can't upload my progress
>can't sync ankidroid progress with PC

How do I do this?

also, I plan to buy a new phone. How can I transfer my ankidroid to the new phone if syncing through servers isn't possible?

does plane copy-paste from old phone memory card to new one work?

I'm already at my 6th month with Kyoiku Kanji deck and the core 6k. Don't really wanna start all over again. help me /a/

>>139689068
nigger whats so hard? the deck file is the same on all devices right?
>no explanation of why you cant sync or do it
nigger what

>>139688913
When you start reading Japanese, knowing both readings greatly helps

Juukugo (compound words) are usually read with onyomi while standalone kanji are kunyomi

What percentage of ppl in DJT do you think give up?

>>139689068
Disable media sync first

>>139689121
Yes, the deck file is the same. But I want to use my progress on my phone since I don't want to start all over again.

My phone just can't sync. I don't really know why. It just says synchronization fail every time.

>>139689223
I had this issue, it is probably the memory on your phone is low
I deleted a lot of the shit on my phone and it synched after than

>>139689153
100%

>>139689248
Yes it's a very old phone, and cheap too.
Just 150mb ram or so

>>139689322
>Just 150mb ram or so

I didn't know they made phones with less than 1GB ram for the last 10 years, what phone is it?

>>139689322
>150mb ram
damn. does it have a touch screen at all?

>>139689153
Depends what threshold you consider "starting". If starting to learn kana counts as starting, then I imagine almost everyone fails because people are lazy and dumb and get discouraged when they realize the mountain ahead of them.

I'd still say the majority of people fail if you consider starting Tae Kim / Core to be starting. The startup pastebin gets over 300 views a week yet DJT's IP count never really goes above 100 (at least not around this time, it does during summer and new years). If you consider finishing Tae Kim or a similar guide as starting, then maybe closer to half (or less, who knows).

I think once you get to the point where the majority of your "studying" is just reading things you're interested in, it's kind of hard to feel any reason to "give up" unless you're not interested in anything related to Japanese anymore. At that point, when you're still able to find plenty of compelling content, the closest you can do to "giving up" is dropping Anki when it's still beneficial to you, and even then you're still making decent progress.

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>>139688913
>>139689142

Tried to sync it again. Damned phone says a problem occured now.

>>139689406
It's a Gionee Pioneer-P1. I bought it when I visited India then used it ever since.

>>139689436
Yes it's a touchscreen phone.

>>139686973
Not looking to learn japanese seriously yet, but I need help with a sentence: Sometime, somewhere I heard "Honto de wa arimasen". What does it mean? Does it even mean anything?

Google translate (untrustworthy af) said it means "There is no I in really" or something like that...

>>139689582
i know this is a far-fetched hypothesis, but maybe the problem is your weird indian phone.

>>139689590
there really isn't anything

>>139689590
>There is no I in really
>I
>l
Literally indistinguishable in this font
Why Americans?!

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>>139689582
>$95~
>for that

You fucking twat anon

>>139689629
You're probably right. I'm really damned if I have to start all over again when I use a new phone.

>>139689655
Is that what it means, or do you mean that it means nothing special ..?

I feel like this is the
"What does 'Jag vet inte' mean?"
"I don't know."
"You don't know?!"-issue all over again.

>>139689708
true, that sucks. have you tried accessing the anki files by connecting the phone to your PC?

shitty indian phone lul

I still don't see why not just hook up to PC and copy paste the deck file

>>139689590
"It really is" is the best translation I can give you. Whatever "it" is is unknown without context.

>>139689590
"Its not true"/"Not really"
now get out

>>139689729
literal meaning is what I wrote but it should be interpreted as there really isn't anything going on, Japanese works in mysterious ways

>>139689675
Don't blame the americans, blame the euros for making serif fonts that don't follow handwriting conventions.

Use Verdana or Noto Sans.

>>139689751
The deck file doesn't contain your progress does it?

Also, you're assuming it can even be connected to a PC

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>>139689788
Thank you, friend.

All of you were very helpful by not cussing at me.
Have a good day now desu

>>139689808
I don't see why couldn't you sync through ankiweb. Your phone's shittiness shouldn't have any effect on that.

>>139689807
I was joking, it was a play on "why Japanese people"

For some reason it doesn't seem to change the font when I change it in Firefox's settings (same with Japanese text it seems). Not sure if I need an addon or something for it to work, but it's not really a big deal.

>>139689808
>Also, you're assuming it can even be connected to a PC

POO IN LOO

>>139689843
he doesn't have enough memory to fully sink the phone with ankiweb there fore the synch never occurs, I had the same problem

>>139689748
>>139689751
Are you anons talking about the ankidroid folder in my phone's memory card?

Should I just copy it then paste it in the anki directory in my pc? I can do that, but would it work?

>>139689703
It was a good item for my visit in india.

>>139689808
idk what you mean by progress. if you mean daily shit idk, just do your reps and transfer it after then

>>139689865
Webpages usually specify fonts explicitly. This includes 4chan. You'll need to add custom styling via 4chan x or something.

>>139689882
>sink
>you don't even know English.png

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I need help please

>できまちたわ!
>>Deki machita wa = Dekimashita wa = I'm done!/I did well!
>うひょ!
>>Uhyo = hehe

Let's assume this is right and I'm not completely retarded, why the ち instead of し?

>>139690055
its a small child/its a foreigner

>>139690055
its probably just some accent shit

like if I go
oi cunt i tellya what mate
down here in oss trail ya

>>139690093
>>139690104
Thanks!

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Ah, I also need some help here:

>あなた!
>百が!
>百が天?よ!

Really unsure about 天 and what follows it.

天
夫

>>139690320
momo is a genius

>>139689923
By progress I mean all of my reps and shit. Won't anki treat it as a new deck?

>>139690320
idk I can't see that shit
It doesn't look like 百　it looks like 能　without ム
unless thats furigana, cant see it properly
other word is 天才

Its saying
"You!!! The 百! the 百
(You're) a genius!!"

>>139690055
uhyo sounds like the time of thing the bald faceless old man says as he cums inside the nubile young pussy

t. doujin expert

>>139690320
Looks a bit like 態 or 熊が

>>139690363
>>139690462
Thank you very much, I really have to get used to handwriting, it's still so weird.

>>139690055
できてしまった

>>139690797
Sorry no, I need to get some sleep.

読むのが怖い
読んで分からなかったら、落ち込むかも。
だから何もしない

百
首

>>139691129
日
曰
the cancer is real

>>139691129
人
麤

>>139691232
ｗ

>>139691306
ｘｄｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｌまおです

>>139691180
You mean your eye-cancer?

>>139691352
やめてｗ

>>139691129
>>139691180
O
D
the cancer is real

>>139691546
b
d
I can't tell them apart ｄｅｓｕ

>l love you
>I
>l
its literally the same

>w
>vv
FUCK

>>139691655
You love me?!アリガトおれもアリガト。

>m
>w
I'm out

>>139691688
do you think they'd notice if I spammed 2chan with "wwww" instead of "ｗｗｗｗ"?

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>>139691688

now this is shitposting

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>this thread
Ever tried Russian?

>>139691902
That's cool but does LishiLi LiLii even mean anything

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>>139691764
で、でた〜ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ「www」を使う奴〜ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>139691916
These are Russian romanjies.

>>139691902
Same for Serbian since we use a lot of your alphabet.

>>139691004
Post here if you don't understand, with the part you're having trouble with pointed out.

tfw you don't finish reps in time and second day starts
FUCK

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>>139692187
>tfw new day starts at the exact time I go to bed so I always finish on time

>>139692187
change the settings you dolt

>>139692301
kept bumping till it hit 23, 出来ない

>>139692337
See >>139692258
At 23 hours it should reset at 11pm and unless you work night shift somewhere there's no reason to ever stay up past 11pm.

>>139692382
computers running on JST for my ship girls game

>よう
>way, like, kind

what the fuck

>>139691004
だからこそ読め！読めば読むほど自信がどんどん湧いてくる。

>>139692424
You know what to do. Cut out kancolle, its a win win: proper clock AND more study time.

>>139692459
>Like that
>That way

http://jisho.org/word/%E3%82%88%E3%81%86

>>139692459
Learn grammar structures from grammar guides, not as vocabulary.

私は大好き女の広い腰。

>>139692696
>広い腰
maybe one day

>>139692770
fuck..

某ぱ狗出御座る

>>139692696
Not even close.

I know 500 kanji, I feel like I know Japanese now...

>>139693002
I know like three hundred words, does that mean I'm like half fluent?

>>139693033
I'd say about 60% fluent.

I turned on the option to show the answer timer in Anki and for some reason I've been going was faster than I used to. I'm not even paying much attention to it most of the time but since I've turned it on I've been able to focus more easily and space out less often.

>>139692900
目には青葉山ほととぎす初鰹

so this thread got me wondering, I'm not doing anything wrong by grinding core2k and taeKim and picking up kanji along the way instead of sitting there grinding kanji by themselves... right?

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>>139693276
You'll still learn Japanese, you just might struggle more along the way than you otherwise would have. Might.

Can someone tell me what the best way to use Anki is?

So I already read from the guide to remove the review limit. What else? When using it I either click on AGAIN or GOOD but never HARD or EASY. Am I doing it wrong?

>>139693276

The image in >>139693344 pretty much encapsulates it. There isn't really a "correct" answer. People who went the vocab only route will tell you that's better and people who went the "kanji study and then vocab alongside/after" route will tell you that their method is better.

People who did kanji study will tell you that vocab will just blur together and you'll have a harder time with vocab the further in your get as you pile on more and more similar looking kanji and weird readings. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

I usually don't see valid arguments from vocab people against kanji methods aside from I guess "if you're not having problems distinguishing similar kanji then there's not much reason to do kanji study", which is true. Most of the time it's silly stuff like them not understanding how mnemonics work or saying that people who do RTK/KD can't read or whatever.

Just do what works best for you. Everyone's going to think their method is best because it's what worked for them and they think the same will apply to everyone else.

>>139693558
>Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
Vocab guy here, I think it is. I can read things, even LOGH and Dies Irae, without much sweat but when it comes to individually identifying Kanji I suck like absolute balls. I learned "料簡" recently and thought "Huh, is 簡 a new kanji? Maybe nonjouyou?" but upon looking it up it's in fucking 簡単 of all things. Despite knowing many words with it, out of context I couldn't recognize it.

So, individual kanji study is something I thing is very valuable to distinguishing between kanji out of context, but in the context of reading/understanding "real" text it's not as important.

>>139693558
>I usually don't see valid arguments from vocab people against kanji methods aside from I guess "if you're not having problems distinguishing similar kanji then there's not much reason to do kanji study", which is true.
What about the one where people are retarded and frequently end up studying kanji in extremely inefficient ways?

>>139693886
Vocab people can do the same thing, it's just a bit harder to manage to do. Even then, doing an established working method in an extremely inefficient way would make it their fault, not the fault of the method / the concept of studying kanji individually. Unless by "inefficient" you mean the epic "memorizing a bunch of stupid useless stories/keywords" meme, in which case that goes back to not understanding how mnemonics work.

>>139693693
The thing is, when do you ever need to distinguish individual Kanji? If you can read the words surely it doesn't matter.

I guess it would help for writing, but the vast majority of us will only ever type anyway.

>>139693558

I'm not really against the kanji methods but couldn't you say one of the benefits of learning through vocabulary is that you can start reading earlier?

Should I bother trying to add the images to the Core 2K deck? Do they improve learning?

>>139694030
Nope they are useless. Just keep the sounds and thats it.

>>139694010
That's probably the biggest benefit, yeah. It's mostly a choice of "spend a few months (or a few weeks if you're a really dedicated NEET) doing a kanji study method and then jumping into reading/vocab/grammar", or "jump straight into reading/vocab/grammar but have a harder time with it and not be able to go as fast with vocab without dropping retention".

Along with the other things of course, but still.

Did learning japanese change your enjoyment of japanese music?

>>139694122
I only enjoy it more now

>>139694030
imo no, its a huge amount of space occupied for little gain

>>139694122
I can only enjoy manly music now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C36pDA8u-EE

>>139694030
Gotta keep it for the memes

>>139694122
No fucking shit! I was listening to Japanese music for so long with no idea what it meant. It was a fucking shame, ESPECIALLY because of the fact that I listen to hipster singer-songwriters. It's so goddamn orgasmic to be able to understand lyrics and look up what the artist is doing via twitter or their blogs or whatever instead of scrambling around for scraps of translations some mexican wrote while sniffing crack

Of course, this only applies if you're listening to music that's actually good. If you're unironically listening to anison trash, understanding the lyrics will lead you to becoming disillusioned with it, which is a good thing in the end I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Alrc98fQlc

I still listen to that shit tho (汗)

>>139694122

Currently it's slightly frustrating cause my listening comprehension is shit. Although, it can be hard to understand lyrics sometimes when songs are in English too.

Someone got an anki deck for the Tae Kim vocab to share?

>>139694331
oh that would be super cool

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>>139694331
>>139694362
I can't tell if you're joking or not

>>139694331
It takes like five seconds to make one with rikaisama.

>>139694122
Sure, denpa is really great when you understand the lyrics-

>>139694432
?

>>139693986
No, I mean like spending ten years on RTK without getting to words because you haven't "learned the kanji" yet.

>>139694451
How come there isn't one in the OP then?

>>139694496
Because no one can be arsed.

>>139694493
That's a pretty extremely atypical case though, RTK shouldn't take you any more than a few months. That's like saying you shouldn't use VNs as reading practice because that one guy has been reading Flyable Heart for over a year and hasn't finished the common route or that you shouldn't use manga as reading practice because that one guy has been studying for 7 years and can barely understand Yotsuba. There's no reason to discard a method because it's possible to go too slowly with. Might as well not bother learning Japanese in general if that's the mindset you're going to adapt.

>>139694475
>>139694331
>>139694362

There is either one already in the OP, or there is one on the Anki site where you seaarch for decks. Just search Tae Kim and it's there.

>>139694702
thanks famalama

>>139693989
>The thing is, when do you ever need to distinguish individual Kanji?
Reading or looking up words you don't know without needing texthooker?

>>139694635
You're not wrong that it's atypical, but there's still room to argue that one more level of studying before reading is just one more level where people can fuck up and waste tons of time, even if you say that other levels have the same problem. The only place where this would particularly not be a potential problem for certain people with studying kanji in isolation is if they skipped formal "vocab as such" study altogether and went straight to reading from kanji, like Kaufman did. However, I'm not saying that there's any argument against people who are already studying kanji in a sensible way; only that there should be a warning if someone gives kanji study as advice.

>>139694702
The only one I can find on the anki site is the grammar one. I was wanting the vocab so I can do the lessons better

>>139694774
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/424465799

>>139694748
Just work it out from context or use a texhooker you dolt

>>139694774
You're literally blind. https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/424465799

Is it really necessary to know grammar? You can reasonably accurately guess meanings of sentences if you know the words, or am I mistaken somehow?

So if I know Hira and Katakana. But no vocabulary or grammar or Kanji.

How should my daily study plan look like? Study grammar, vocabulary and kanji at the same time with the same amount of time dedicated to each? Kanji using RTK and Anki, vocab with Anki and grammar with Tae Kim?

>>139694838
Yes. Or it wouldn't be in the guide. Tae Kim doesn't take that much effort just read it.

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>>139694838

>>139694866
I thought the guide is optional. But grammar is hard by the definitions.
>>139694871
Sorry if I said something stupid, I was just wondering...

>>139694771
Right, but it's a silly argument that isn't exclusive to kanji study at all. It applies to all of Japanese; be consistent and study every day if you want solid progress. If you set a minimum amount of like 20-25 kanji to go through every day with RTK, then it won't take longer than a few months (or less depending on how dedicated you are).

>>139694919
>by the definitions.
Maybe you should learn English first. And it's not hard, you just have to keep at it. If you don't want to put in any effort, don't bother learning at all.

>>139694983
I know English already from the time I was a little kodomo. I want to put in effort, but I want to cut corners wherever I can. I'm not even considering learning the Chinese characters honestly, that just seems close to impossible. I don't want to spend 2-3 years just doing that.

>>139694919
>Sorry if I said something stupid, I was just wondering...

If you're actually serious then you're a fucking moron. Grammar is what actually structures languages, without it we'd do nothing but point and shout the name of objects, that's the limit of your communication without grammar.

Seriously how the fuck did you expect to read the different words tenses and conjugations without knowing any of them? It would look like this to you. "He look** ** bird" That is how sentances would look to you if you were stupid enough to ignore grammar like a fucking dolt.

You're the worst case of できない I have ever seen. Piss off.

>>139695064
Don't bother, you''re too dumb.

>>139694942
>Right, but it's a silly argument that isn't exclusive to kanji study at all.
I literally just said that it applies to every level. People can waste time anywhere. The difference is that doing kanji before vocab is an extra step and you need to take even more caution than normal when you have extra steps. I said that my argument does not qualify when there is kanji study and not vocab study. Please hear what I actually say and not some vague mimetic approximation.
>It applies to all of Japanese; be consistent and study every day if you want solid progress.
Okay, you clearly don't understand the example cases where people waste all their time on one level then. It's not because they don't do enough, it's because they think they're not done yet.

>>139695113
But "He look** **bird" makes sense, in the sense that I can understand it perfectly without even knowing any grammar. Maybe it's different with Japanese, but how exactly?
>>139695116
Why so offensive?

I ctrl+fd 'remember the kanji' in the guide but nothing. Sorry for being retarded but please redirect me to it. I'm already doing core vocab anki but I guess I could be learning kanji as well.

>>139695214
>But "He look** **bird" makes sense

Because it's an incredibly simple sentance. I'll stop shouting at you since >>139695064 proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're baiting.

At least people arn't actually that fucking stupid, not here for now at least.

>>139695260
Look in the resources section It's a seperate doc now.

>>139695157
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at that isn't already obvious. I understand what you're saying, but I think you're being silly. Most people who recommend doing kanji study supplement that recommendation with the warning that they shouldn't spend any longer than a few months on it anyways, so it's a non-issue.

>>139695298
You can just show a simple sentance in Japanese that illustrates the point. It shouldn't be a problem for you if you know a little bit of Japanese.

>>139694833
>use a texhooker you dolt
Most of the stuff I read can't be texthooked. Actually, that is probably why I think individual kanji study is more valuable than most people around here do.

>>139695407
Text hooker or an app that grabs text from images. I forget what it's called.

>>139694748
>Reading or looking up words you don't know without needing texthooker?

Ceases to be a problem when you know enough vocab.

OCR programs and google translate's drawing tool exists.

>>139695407
>Most of the stuff I read can't be texthooked

Why are you cockteasing me, anonymous?

>>139687364
>But that's just too much work, isn't it?
No it fucking isn't. Learning Kana is nothing compared to the amounts of vocab and grammar you will be learning later on.

Assuming that you aren't some weaksauce cunt that will give up as soon as things get a nilly willy bit difficult.

>>139693693
How long have you been studying? Just curious.

>>139695485
Just give up on him. Someone who opts for Genki instead of free and well-written resources on the internet will never learn japanese.

>>139694838
Not really, you can figure out most stuff by just knowing the words. For example, you should have an easy time with the following:
iPodは、ハードディスクの容量が大きければ大きいほどもっとたくさんの曲が保存できます。

I don't know if VNs are usually this long but FSN is fucking long.

Its been three days and I'm still stuck in the prologue

>>139695345
"It shouldn't take longer than X or you're doing it wrong" isn't a warning, it's an observation. But people feel like they're stupid and need extra time to "master" the material. They know they've already "done RTK". People who feel like they're never done will never progress past doing something that they view as a prerequisite for the next step, which is absolutely the case you're presenting to them if you say "Studying kanji in isolation can help you learn vocabulary easier". And if you load on two sentences of detailed explanation, they won't read it correctly and will approximate what you're saying as that same binary thing. People are stupid.

The problem here isn't the fact that RTK should only take a certain amount of time, the problem is that they do nothing but RTK and nothing but RTK for a long time. People who /actually/ can't make themselves do N kanji a day are dekinais. The problem is people who feel the need to master one material before moving onto the next. People like that *will not respond to advice* to give up what they started and go to the next stage; They'll "start over japanese from scratch" instead, which is code for "giving up but pretending to not give up".

You might not be someone who has trouble getting stuck on one piece of material, but these people DO exist, and they WILL misunderstand you when you explain the caveats to them so long as you beat around the bush or say it in ten words or less.

"One should not study kanji in isolation before working on vocab." I know that most people who can do it, but "most" isn't good enough for general advice. "If one wants to study kanji in isolation they should do it alongside memorizing words instead of beforehand".

Yes, this is actually a big difference, and no, it is *not* "obvious".

>>139695464
>>139695480
I read physical books, you idiots.

>>139695704
F/SN took me like 120 hours in English. But then again, I zone out and start thinking about other stuff pretty often.

>>139695704
It took me about 38(+-2) hours for the first route in English, probably not the best thing to read in Japanese if your reading speed is low.

>>139695769
>I know that most people who can do it
I know that most are people who can do it*

>>139695769
Alright, well we're just going to have to agree to disagree and move on then. I'd rather spend the time reading than for both of us to spin our wheels going nowhere with this.

>>139695895
Alright anon.

>>139695778
Stop reading physical books then. You're obviously too shitty at Japanese if you're still encountering unknown kanji constantly. This should be simple, anon.

>>139694844
Please respond.

>>139695956
The kanji in question he mentioned was an extremely common one that is in several words he already knows, though. His point was kanji blurring together the more words and kanji you learn if you take the vocab-only route. Follow the whole conversation.

>>139694844
>>139696044
Start reading a grammar guide and memorizing vocabulary right away. You can do more if you want, but those are the most direct requisites to reading.

>>139696091
Sorry, I have better things to do than read the words of a deluded autist.

>>139696044
I was in your position, I've just been doing anki for vocab (core 2k/6k) and tae kim for now.

>>139695779
How do you read something for so long

>>139695530
2 years
When Isaid I can read things like LOGH/Dies Irae without much sweat I meant looking up the words isn't crushing or overwhelming, not that I don't look up words. I still do.

>>139696379
Being able to read either even with looking up is still a gigantic feet. Does this imply you're actually reading at a decent pace? 2 years seems really short.

>>139696440
>a gigantic feet
Ｈ

>>139694748
As a vocab guy that really isn't much of a problem. New words are pretty rare, and even then half the time you can guess the pronunciation just from context or recognizing the phonetic components of the kanji

>>139696440
>Does this imply you're actually reading at a decent pace?
Yeah. Did you see that LOGH word frequency dump? The vast majority of words used are common words like you'd expect. Same for Dies Irae (though the words it uses are "common" for chuuni games of which I have read a couple). It's all Japanese in the end.

I will admit that the chants in Dies Irae are far above my skill level but they are not very at allfrequent in comparison to most of the normal text so it's not something I sweat about too much.

>>139696339
ｃｏｍｐｅｌｌｉｎｇｃｏｎｔｅｎｔ

Can someone help out with this?

>二条鷹高校路上観察部
>Two hawks, a street observation High school club

Am I missing something here?

>>139696613
first parts probly the name of the high school bro

>>139696339
Three long ass routes that you need to complete.

>>139696678
>The Street Observation Two Hawks High School Club
>The Nijou Taka High School Street Observation Club
I just can't figure this out.

>>139696755
This is probably why fate has so many fanboys

Stockholm syndrome

>>139696967
Dies Irae and Muramasa too

The vocab curve with VNs is amusing. I mined like 80 new words in the first 20kb of text in 聖騎士MeltyLovers (shelved it for a while / read it on the side because I got really bored of it), and I've only mined 30 so far in the 200kb (a bit under half a route) that I've read so far today.

>>139696934
it's the name of the school

Is きっちん now a proper nip word, seeing as core has it in hiragana?

>>139697309
>is the dictionary or core right

>>139686991
>>139687034
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/4dib5d/why_is_neko_sometimes_written_in_katakana_isnt_it/

>>139697230
So it remains untranslated, right? Would it be "Nijoutaka High School" then? Just like city names and stuff?

>>139697456
Ah, I still remember the old days when we had our own native Japanese speaker here telling us how it's done.

>>139691129
body parts have generally fucked me up hard but neck is the only one i can consistently get right.

>>139697598
Yeah, just like reddit. He has a name and everything, so great です(ΦωΦ)

>>139697598
No you don't because that literally never has happened in the history of DJT.

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>>139697655
>ask for chicken legs
>get chicken feet instead

>>139695778
>I read physical books, you idiots.

Then use the app on your phone you nonce.

>>139691232
>麤

japapense was a mistake

>>139697747
That's chuukogokukokugo no kanji desu, anonkun.

>>139697660
>>139697690
Shut up, imouto was a hero.

辞典
事典

Cmon nipponmen what are you doing

>>139697829
imouto is still here and he doesn't really answer questions he just shitposts.

>>139697829
>>/r/learnjapanese

>>139697864
The last one is the Heisig kanji for books, the first ones are the kanji for a Heisig dictionary, the second one is the Heisig kanji for a cyclopedia/encyclopedia. What's the problem here?

Hello, what is your favorite Kanji? Mine is the only Kanji I know yet from anime - 今日は「こんにちは」

>>139697963
The problem is that sometimes people forget that any language has multiple words for a thing that varies slightly. For example Mad, Angry, Furious, Livid etc and they'll show a bunch of Kanji that all means "mad" and say "LOOK AT THIS FUCKING GOOK LANGUAGE HAHAHA"

How do you start doing Anki again after 3 months? Is there an unfuck up button?

近視禁止

>>139698241
No new cards, limit reps to something manageable (200 I guess) and you fucking grind every day to get them back to normal, then do new cards again.

DO NOT RESET THE DECK. I made that mistake, though I did it after over a year so it made a little more sense.

>>139698320
Why is it a mistake? Not him, just curious.

>>139697963
>>139698168
What the fuck are you on about. My point was that two words which can easily be confused has the same reading. Obviously it's not a problem in writing

>>139698388
But speaking/listening is a myth anyway.

How good are you guys at understanding the meaning of words from the kanji they use? It's always seemed like a weak spot for me

Like if you saw 断食 for the first time would you be able to tell what it means? It seems pretty obvious to me after I've already looked it up, but I'd never know otherwise

>>139698366
Because the whole point of Anki is to drill words into you over time. So after a while cards will have certain intervals, and if you reset then you fuck that up.

Also just grinding throug the reps like I described would be faster than going through the deck like it was new again.

>>139698388
>My point was that two words which can easily be confused has the same reading.
Which was so clear by the "Cmon nipponmen what are you doing" statement you made. Maybe people wouldn't be confused if you didn't try to communicate in meme speak all the time you cuck fuck

>>139698469
When I see 断 I think of 診断, 決断, and 判断 so yeah I got it wrong.

>>139698469
>断食
well i see "disconnect/decline" and "eat" so I assume it's "to fast"

>>139698469
>How good are you guys at understanding the meaning of words from the kanji they use?
With context? Pretty good. Without context? Pretty bad.

>>139698469
I knew it had something to do with food/drink. So I'm pretty much fluent.

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just fuck my shit up

>>139698627
Why would it be to fast, it has nothing to do with speed.

>>139698683
>Core

Not even once

>>139698627
See I wish I could do that, I probably could really but I'm just too quick to always look up words instead of thinking about it for a second, it's a hard habit to get out of

>To avoid confusion with the image of rice seedlings to appear later, we shall take these seedlings out of their agricultural setting in the rice fields and into the frame of Brave New World surgery, where "ideas" or "values" are being implanted into brains like seedlings to insure a harmonious society. Then you need only imagine them taking root and breaking out into flower right through the tops of the skulls of people walking around on the streets

Oh boy, we're off to a promising start here.

>>139698742
You gotta look em up to check the pronunciation anyway. です i think figuring out what kanji are probably used just from hearing the pronunciation is the more important skill when you're at an advanced level

>>139698683
just remember
e is the action of something
a is the state of something

閉める
閉まる

>>139698683
I just remember all of them and think "It's either A B or C and they all mean D" and if I'm correct then I press easy. I'll learn them better through compelling content than I ever will through core.

>>139698990
in both of those cases it's し so that's easy, but the same kanji also turns into "hi" and "a" and "to" in other vocab..

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>>139698683
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/in-transitive

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ti_list.html

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who chooses these fucking pictures

>>139699167
害人は流暢になれない

>>139697876
imouto still answers questions but he doesn't avatarfag his answers anymore, so they get buried under the full-Japanese shitposts most people skip over. A bit weird that he chooses to only avatarfag his shitposts, but whatever.

>>139699241
He also has short hair

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>>139699167
>someone saved and posted my webm

>>139699241
Did you get triggered? Are you a manlet too?
>>139699333
And a tiny dick.

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>>139699241
>he

>>139699324
He still roleplays in his answers so you shouldn't be upset.

>>139699455
Huh? What does that have to do with what I said? He said imouto doesn't answer questions anymore, which is incorrect, he just only attaches pictures to his shitposts now, which makes it seem like he only shitposts because people don't notice his answers as much anymore. Just dropping the whole RPing and avatarfagging act and getting a trip instead would be ideal, but whatever, I'm not autistic enough to care so much about it that I scream "roleplaying" at the drop of a mention of imouto.

>>139699241
lmao

How are VNs usually/typically mentioned by Japanese people?

I never really see or hear them say ビジュアルノベル. エロゲ is common but not all VNs are eroge.

Asking because I don't know how to name my VN folder.

>>139700032
How about naming it 'VN'

>>139700032
美少女ゲーム

>>139699324
He doesn't and never really answered questions. He just kind of comments on random things that the question makes him think about. Like, his posts do often have some information, but it's rarely a proper answer to the question,

>>139700237
あかちゃんはどうつくられる
おにいちゃん

>>139700100
Meh.

>>139700123
I only play gay stuff, I'm a huge faggot.

>>139700567
美少年ゲーム

>>139700032
I have the impression that, while they probably recognize that it is it's own genre, they don't really differentiate that much and just call them ゲーム.

Case in point, look at the wikipedia article for Muv Luv. The english version defines it as a "visual novel" in the first sentence, but the Japanese version don't mention that, instead it defines it as a アドベンチャーゲーム

>>139700032
「幼稚なゴミ」と呼ぶんだぜ
ちなみにｄｊｔのメインユーザーたちのコメントのことを話すときに使うよ
いもうとちゃん抜き

インタビュー目当てで買いましたが、肝心の本文レイアウトが最悪に見づらく、直視に耐えられません。
本文の背面にカラフルなイラストが配置されていて、なおかつ対談形式のため、発言者ごとに本文文字色が変わっているので
紙面全体がどぎつい色彩でまるで統一感がありません。
長文を読ませんるのに、丸ゴシックの１段組というのも読むのにつかれます。
もう少し読みやすい書体で、２段組にくらいにしてくれたほうが読みやすかったと思います。

また、イラストの上に文字が被っている部分には白フチが被せられていますので、下になったイラスト自体も死んでいるという、
本文、イラストの双方を殺す最悪のデザインです。
イラストを避けるようにしたほうが良かったのではないでしょうか。
本文書体が無駄に大きいのも気になります。ここまでイラストにかぶるなら、
書体サイズを少し小さくするなどしたほうが良かったのではないでしょうか。

というわけで、ページを開いて読めませんでしたので文章についてはレビューできません。

書店で内容を確認していればきっと買いませんでした。

I learned my first 20 kanji today and it feels so good to actually be able to know what they mean.

I know i still have a long way to go but this feels like such an achievement .

>>139700237
You're either full of shit or you never actually read his posts, because he has directly answered several of my questions before.

>>139700824
I think you're right.

>>139701049
edgy

>>139701073
アマゾンドットコム

>>139701172
I learned 一昨日 a couple days ago. Seeing the idea of one, yesterday, and day come together to form one day before yesterday really made me appreciate kanji.

>>139701262
正解

>>139700237
youre a proper answer as to why djt SUX!!!

>>139701173
I'm not counting the times where he answers a reddit tier beginner question after 5 other people have already answered it

>>139700237
i've got a proper answer for you right here
*unzips dick*

>>139698794
Use koohii stories, they're much better.
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/

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>>139701263
一昨日　ｃｏｍｅ　ｏｎ

>>139701532
I'm not either, but okay, you're hellbent on that view and not even facts will change it.

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>>139701073

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>>139700345
ぜんぜんわからん

>>139701767
ええ^o^ほんと日本人？！わからんをなにですのべんきょですか？！(*^o^*)

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>>139701668
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges. When language learners take their lesson they are given a meme, a macro image stamped with the profile of Dekinai. Their acceptance of that mockery is their acceptance of the despair and burdens of language learners—they are fearful from that moment, though they may know nothing of the language itself. I did not know that then, but it is a profound mistake to believe that we must know of such things to be influenced by them, and in fact to believe so is to believe in the most debased and superstitious kind of magic. The would-be sorcerer alone has faith in the efficacy of pure knowledge; rational people know that things act of themselves or not at all.

>>139701906
same

>>139701073
k

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>>139701889
ぜんぜんわからん

>>139699590
>getting a trip
Literally back to Jewddit with you

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>>139701996
You're trying to pick a fight, aren't you?

>>139702230
A native answering questions and only using said trip for answering questions is the only case in the thread where trips are legitimately warranted. That's proper usage of a trip. It erases any doubt whenever they answer a question and you know the answer you're getting is a reliable one. There's nothing wrong with using it in that case. Your new is showing, stop trying so hard to fit in.

>>139702230
People like him will justify anything to keep their favorite attention whore.

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>>139698683

下りる
下がる
下げる
下り
下ろす
下る

>>139702345
>native
>answering questions
>only using said trip for answering questions
>legitimately warranted
>any doubt
>know the answer you're getting is a reliable one
>nothing wrong
>Your
>fit in

>>139702345
>imouto
>native
>reliable
Yeah...

>>139701767
>>139701996
「ぜんぜんしらん」というのがもっと適切な書き方だろ

毎回日本語のコメントに返事するときにちゃんと使うんだよ

ｄｊｔ万歳マザーファッカー

>>139702345
yeah id trust anyone with a trip without question also ill use a trip so you know which dick to suck while youre wandering around blindfolded trying to find that nihongo perapera you so desperately seek

>>139701889
dostedt

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>>139702405

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Sure feels good having a parallel text. Even when not consulting it, the mere existence within reach of the English translation is a very nice backing to have.

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>>139702998
>reading logh
>still being so uncomfortable with grammar you ever may feel the need to consult any English version

>>139702490
>「ぜんぜんしらん」というのがもっと適切な書き方だろ
No

>>139703229
Not him but さっぱりわからない is way more common as far as I can tell

>>139703268
>as far as I can tell
"in my experience" is far more common in my experience

>>139703268
I'm suprised my trademark やっぱりさっぱりわからんなぁ sees so little use. At least I managed to make some cute Dark Souls lets player read it on her stream.

>>139703465
It's probably because it sounds gay as fuck.

>>139703073
It's compelling content, and I'm motivated by the challenge. Half a page an evening and about one serious grammar mistake per page, but it will get better.
I wasted about five years on and off doing mostly Anki reps, almost no reading and barely any Tae Kim because the stuff I was reading was perfectly suited to my level but not very interesting to me. No more.

>>139703780
You sound gay as fuck.

>>139704056
>5+ years of learning
>can only read HALF a page in an evening

出来ない

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これをXに

Can someone tell me what that kanji is please?

>>139704274
Let this be a lesson to those who think they're doing themselves a whole lot of good by merely maintaining an Anki habit.

>>139704447
機に

>>139704580
Thanks, I thought that was the closest thing it looked like but I couldn't make out the radicals at all so I couldn't be sure

>>139704645
I'm 99% sure it's that. Read as き; "Let everyone takes this opportunity to rethink all of that." or something.

一同
同一
IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE
THERE IS NO LOGIC IN DIFFERENTIATING THEM

>>139694520
Two tae kim vocab decks have been in the CoR for like over a year now, you oblivious fucks.

>>139695769
You are taking outlier cases and assuming this is normal. Very dishonest. An argument to fend off crows.

>>139696140
Don't comment if you're too lazy to read the context, it's called shitposting.

https://github.com/shutterstock/List-of-Dirty-Naughty-Obscene-and-Otherwise-Bad-Words/blob/master/ja

>>139705875
支配
嫌い
殺人事件
女の子
Apparently these are obscene words.

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>>139704577
An anki habit IS a whole lot of good if you add a minimum of 10 new words a day. I'm guessing you did pittance reviews and no new cards, which isn't really a healthy anki habit. Kind of like someone going to the gym only once a month and saying "let this be a lesson to those who think going to the gym will do them a lot of good" after he's still unhealthy.

>稟議制度

カキコ全部却下

>>139707260
what does this mean

post all ?

>>139706090
顔の上に男の股間が乗る気持ちあなたにわかる？

>>139707942
いいえ

>>139689068

>lagdroid

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>139708052
>feeling too lazy for anki reps today

>>139708158
Better start anyway if you want to learn Japanese

>>139691129
>>139691180

Corebabby, everyone.

>>139708224
水 - water
水 - みず - water
百 - 100
百 - ひゃく - 100

>>139708253
why did you post this

and why did you post identical kanji twice..

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>>139708052

>>139708325
Difference between studying kanji individually and through words in this case is literally identical excluding including a reading for vocab.

i've learned about 600 kanji and vocab so far and i've also read tae kim up to the end of basic grammar (shit is boring) when should i start reading?

What does もってかないと　mean? It's about bringing お土産.
I get that it's something like "have to carry", but I'm having trouble understanding what the か adds.

I also have trouble with this sentence
あんましパラパラとちゃったな in regard to ご飯.
Something about the rice being sticky?

I'm on Yotsubato chapter 49.

>>139708253

And?
The point of my post was corebabbies have trouble distinguishing similar looking kanji, not being able to read them and knowing the meaning.

>>139708158
I have a fever today and I pushed through it. Come on you can do it.

>>139708404
How are you this dense.