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whats up dude welcome to another bangin episode of ｄｊｔ～積極的に出来ない者たちの日々にようこそ～
>learning kanji by themselves instead of vocab
why? you can always looks it up while learning vocab, and it's not like every kanji has only one meaning or for that matter one pronunciation you can learn, it just seems like a huge hassle to learn kanji by themselves
you guys are right thank you anons
japanese podcasts (not learning podcasts, just podcasts in japanese)
lots of japanese radio stations
whats with these tv shows where theres like 5 people talking and then there is a bunch of random clips and occationally they show the face of one of the people who apparently just sit there watching these clips.
i dont think so, there are different kind of clips, right now there is a cooking video on and in the bottom corner there is always the face of one of the 5 people shown, it seems like they are being filmed while watching these clips, i dont understand.
that cant be it
>hour and a half doing core deck
>half an hour on grammar deck
>45 minutes on kanji deck
How much time do you all spend on average per day? I simply don't have 3 hours to spare every day to study. Am I fugged?
NO GOY DON'T BUY THAT EVIL ARYAN'S BOOK, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LEARN JAPANESE LIKE A TRUE WHITE MAN
oh ok thanks seems pretty readable to me though
can we have some guy use 自分 wrong and actually shit on himself then argue about it again like we did at the start of the last thread
also no only the first one
I envy anyone who's target VN is Dies Irae. It is perhaps the only work VN great to justify learning the language entirely by itself. If you learn for something like White Album 2, Aiyoku no Eustia or some pretty good game (or even nukige), there's some risk of finding yourself questioning the wisdom of having spent thousands of hours learning a language, to read a 30-some hour VN that ended up being just pretty good, nothing that great. But Dies Irae? No chance of that. It'll justify every hour, no matter how many, easily.
Anon is fine to build up a vocabulary and base knowledge of grammar and kanji for a while. People here stupidly blow out of proportion the need to start reading right away because it doesn't take long to get used to and for at least the first few months, learners aren't going to get remotely as much out of reading than they can optimise in structured study.
So in LOGH the word "孺子" is used a lot with the rubi こぞう. I wonder if 孺 is worth learning at all. It only appears in that word and it's apparently so rare the author has to put a more common word as rubi.
I made a cool signature out of the last line. I improved it a bit by removing the 振り仮名 and adding some 漢字 as well. If anyone wants to use it you're completely free to.
It's something I want to get used to. I found a list of books to read from that lit link from last thread and buying each one will add up ($5 minimum shipping) especially for series. I remember buying every book in the Wheel of Time series emptied my book budget for a long time. So getting used to a screen is probably important. For the poor of us anyway.
You can read books digitally off a tablet or mobile phone screen, making it easy to lie in bed and spend hours getting lost in a world of fiction. Not really practical with a VN, unless these have been ported to Android that I'm unaware of. Which would be neat.
Thanks for sharing your opinion with us, anon.
even though anyone whos been alive for 5 minutes has heard both sayings i think listing a word out of context with 2 pronunciations is pretty fuckin unhelpful so why dont you tell me what the difference is dick boy
As many as you can jam in there.
Can anyone here actually dekiru and how many cards do you have in anki? Like how high do you have to go before you can read japanese comfortably like an english novel? I know 10000 is a big fat meme.
It's a VN. Her name's above the text, man.
I fell for the reading meme and now I'm in a terrible habit of blazing through text picking up words I know without stopping to consider the grammar, conjugations and the fancier kanji
What should I do to unfuck myself?
... Stop to consider the grammar, conjugations, and fancier kanji?
Anyone know a Japanese lyrics site where I can see the whole lyrics of an album without having to click for each song? All I know is Mojim which is handy but it doesn't have all that many albums.
>falling for the not reading meme
Don't do this, anons. I thought it was a good idea to wait with reading until I was fluent in Japanese, and it ended up taking me almost two years before I was even close to being fluent.
Are you done crying now?
I can't believe the shit people say on here in regards to grammar.
>lel read tae kim one time then keep looking back at it
And they are always complaining about it. I have a fucking deck for grammar mixed in with some other stuff.
Tae Kim is a fucking crash course on grammar, it's the BASIC SHIT. It's not gonna tell you shit like
That "read tae kim once" advice is meant to avoid the biggest mistake beginners make in language learning, which is to stick to textbooks for far too long.
I see all over the place, people asking "ok I read genki 3 and tobira, what textbook should I go through next?. It's important to ingrain that one needs to read ASAP.
Thanks but I was hoping the people who enjoy coming to these threads to shit on Anki as a learning tool could explain what other method they recommend in it's place. However it seems that none of them are willing or able to do so.
>in it's place
Anki is a supplement. It supplements reading. You see words reading, you use anki to help remember'm, like that. So people who shit on anki wouldn't recommend a replacement. They'd just recommend to read more, or listen more.
Don't bother, you will wish you put shit in anki anyway instead of looking things up all the time. Unless you want to spend a lifetime of looking up words every time you forget them just anki it.
Where is the evidence that reading/listening alone is superior to reading/listening+Anki? Just because it is possible to learn without Anki does not mean that it is not an effective and helpful tool. I suspect the people who come here to shit on Anki and ridicule people talking about doing Anki reps have no understand of what Anki is or does.
I don't usually bother saying this since it usually attracts a lot of autists with their HURR ANIME JAPANESE ISN'T ACCURATE WITH REGULAR JAPANESE DURR but I've learned a ton of vocab by watching anime/J-drama for the last 8 or so years. I've yet to encounter a word in the Core 2k/6k deck that I didn't already know the meaning to so you can definitely learn a ton of vocab by watching a lot of anime/J-drama.
Though it seems they are not satisfied with finding Anki boring themselves, they feel the need to come and shit on anyone who uses Anki, even if said person does not find Anki boring.
Anime is real Japanese
There is a meme floating around somewhere that it isn't, but I'm pretty sure it was invented to stop weeaboo faggots from speaking like anime characters in real life.
Of course people irl don't say kono yarou domo, kakatte koi and shit but all the vocab is still there.
>HURR ANIME JAPANESE ISN'T ACCURATE WITH REGULAR JAPANESE DURR
This is starting to be a strawman to be honest. I see more posts denouncing that conception than I see posts taking it as fact..
these boys chomping at the bit for that hope of a 出来る day what you need is a 永遠のバカンス日本へ
anki is only as good as the things you put in it
its barely real japanese but what people like this guy are forgetting >>139670240 is that you actually say the words like the anime in addition to using idiot anime vocab and sentence structure
if you want proof hang out in djt for a minute and maybe read my post
I can confirm this. I dropped Anki after finishing core2k, figuring that I had hit the point where I wouldn't get that much out of it anymore and I could just learn the rest naturally when reading (also convenient excuse to not have the discipline to do Anki every day).
Turns out reading without Anki kinda sucks if you're not fluent. Without Anki, every unknown word I came across just made me depressed, wondering how the hell I'm supposed to remember all the new vocabulary that even the simplest works keep throwing at me. Eventually I just stopped reading altogether, because I wasn't moving an inch away from dictionary hell. Now that I'm using Anki to mine words, it actually feels good to come across new words, knowing I can be sure I'll learn it just by pressing R to add it to Anki. It makes such a huge difference, having that confidence that you're moving forward a little at a time. Maybe I was moving forward without Anki, but I sure as hell had no way to tell, which just kills all motivation.
I wanna ask you guys: what are your mining decks like? Specifically, what are the cards like?
Do you use pictures? Do you add audio from forvo or somewhere? Stroke order, onyomi, kunyomi? If you use pictures do you have a translation in English or do you exclude it and let the picture show the meaning? Multiple cards per word? Or do you just do something simpler than any of that?
Just curious as to how y'all niggas do yo thang.
Anon, not everyone is able to move to Japan, no matter how much they would like to. And at any rate, plenty of people who go to Japan never actually learn japanese. Your advice is garbage.
Basic shit with the auto audio from Rikaisama, if it doesn't have any I don't give a shit.
I have the English translation as a hint and if it's something with multiple meanings and shit I just say fuck it and focus on the reading.
You're right. Obviously it's impossible to learn Japanese unless you follow your exact method of moving to the magical land of Japan and absorbing it's power. Better kill myself now.
Put pictures whenever you can, they help a lot I find. Just make sure they are actually relevant.
wide blade knife (similar to a machete but not so large)
Waste of fucking time to look at the english description, just a put a picture in from google
There's nothing wrong with Imabi, but I wouldn't read through it like you do with Tae Kim, like a text book or whatever. I mean you can, but it's excessive. You can use it as a grammar dictionary, though.
are you intentionally being a moron, that guy is saying that if you want to learn a language a total immersion approach will get you learning the language the fastest hands down. for any language, not just your shitty moon runes
to be helpful, if you want to get the total immersion approach without spending a lot of money to move and live the weeb dream then you need to get a language club going or an exchange program.
again, read between the lines instead of being a piece of shit that turns away useful advice. nothing else will get you practical experience as fast as diving into the deep end like that. if you are young, even a week to two weeks traveling in japan via exchange or youth hostel programs is affordable and if you are there to learn instead of burning through money, the price is worth it and you get some 実経験
then again if you are trying to bootstrap yourself by pirating software so you can read pirated VNs and that's your goal, just keep on truckin...
I think we are almost reaching a shitposting apex before it resets to zero, after that shitposting will slowly build up and cycle continues.
This is unlikely, as the autist will continue to try to degrade the quality of the thread.
The autist has not left. His other tactics to bring down the quality of the thread, and to get the thread deleted by the mods, didn't work. So now he's posting as """jamal""" trying to degrade everyone else who posts here and in general bringing down the quality of the thread. Jamal is the narcissistic autist, and he'll be back next thread to stir shit up, because he enjoys making the threads shit.
I wonder how difficult it would be to program an addon to add images to an existing Anki deck. Basically, it would take the vocab word, search for it in Google Images, download the first four images, resize them, and put them all in a grid on each card in the Anki deck.
no we got about 300 more posts to go
i like that meme because the faces are funny
last i checked the bitch:me post ratio since dropping the hard truth on yall is about 20:1
(you) guys are the ones writing the bad posts to cope with the hard truth
>tfw your post is drowned in a sea of bullying
I'm I correct to say when it comes to individual kanji methods, such as rtk and kd, just learn the meaning and move on, and worry about readings in your vocabulary studies?
I feel sorry for newcomers the last few months, because when you don't know much, it is hard to tell what is shitposting and misinformation.
Ostensibly, the answer to your question is "yes," but there are many ways of doing individual kanji study. For example, KD works readings into the mnemonics themselves, possibly giving you a leg up on reading them later. I find this takes more effort than it is worth though. Do whatever you feel works for you; you will never know if something is good for you or not without giving it a go yourself. Learn from others' examples when possible, but do not treat their experiences as fact because everyone is different.
Worked pretty well for me so far, but other people will tell you that people who did RTK or KD are incapable or reading or some dumb shit like that. There is no "correct" method, just figure out what works best for you without being too time consuming in the long run.
I don't like KD either. I have even in the past gone as far as to call it "absolute garbage". In reality, though, it really isn't. For many of the people who even bother with individual kanji study, for some reason RTK does not "click," and KD is an alternative that, although inferior to RTK (in my opinion), still provides a kanji-learning method that is functional and more effective for that person than bruteforcing.
The night is darkest just before the dawn.
The number of legitimate posters, i.e. the people who are actually learning japanese, consuming native media, etc. will continue to decline until the signal/noise ratio has fallen to close to zero. At that point the thread will just be trolls trolling trolls. It will cease to be interesting, even for them, and they'll leave.
>the hard truth
>le immersion maymay
There are millions of nignogs and necks in the USA who read and write at a sixth-grade level despite being immersed in the English language their entire life.
Pretty sure everyone knows that the massive input/output practice that comes with total immersion is valuable. But it still won't teach you what book work will. You need both.
>the thread will just be trolls trolling trolls.
Oh please, no one in this thread knows Japanese. We all still get excited and act knowledgeable because we know the same basic stock phrases used in every modern cartoon.
I have to give a presentation in class on some aspect of Japanese culture and contrast it with American culture. Any ideas for something not autistic I could do? Everyone else is just doing fucking anime vs. cartoons or manga vs. comics.
It's still the same concept: The resolution isn't high enough to show you individual lines. Look at this picture. It's the 'n' in English that I zoomed in on. You shouldn't be able to make out any lines in this at all, there simply are none. But somehow your brain is so experienced with reading English that you can make it out between the E and the glish.
fun japanese facts for your report
much lower (reported) crime rate
smoking one (1) joint of weed can get you a life sentence and/or the death penalty
has much less white people
toilets arent in the same room as your shower because thats gross
no shoes in the fucking house!!
I was thinking about doing religion in Japan and America but we have to interview some exchange students and I thought it would be kind of awkward to ask so directly about religion.
how art is viewed in general and its parallel evolution
Japanese collectivism vs American individualism
Japanese focus on hierarchy in work and social life vs American fuck the hierarchy you're not any better than me even though you're my boss/elder/dad/president
Whatever makes Japanese people think all kinds of mindless consumerism is unconditionally good vs America's more polarized view
The first two should be really easy to find material on. Third is just something I'm personally curious about.
/djt/, am I fucked, how fucked am I and how do I unfuck myself?
>Started studying last summer
>did the core 2k/6k deck in the guide
>finished 2k a few weeks ago
>did tae kim sporadically, didn't feel like I was remembering anything
>started tae kim example sentences deck a couple months or so ago, close to finishing
>core2k/6k is currently on hiatus while I learn counters
Do your reps, continue studying new things. Review those that you forgot.
You can't really fuck yourself in language study. At worst you just delay your progress if you slack off.
Despite what all the retards here say there is nothing wrong with knowing more rather than less. This isn't a skill tree RPG where you have to follow the right pattern of learning to achieve the final goal of fluency.
Keep doing vocab. You already know a lot. Adding grammar is a good idea, but the idea that youve fucked yourself is bad. This isn't last remnant. This is Disgaea. You're just holding out to learn as much as you possibly can and retain as much as it as possible. Read tae kim, do vocab, learn kanji. Then do more vocab, learn more grammar, learn more kanji.
I dont get how ほど is used here. I know it means extent, but why is 走 in continuous negative form?
My assumption is it means "The distance can be walked, but we ended up riding it on the way back".
I am confused on 連日.
Is he saying the buffet is all day and the line gets longer? Or that the buffet line got longer day after day?
>We hadn't traveled a distance that would normally be ridden, but on the way home our legs were tired and so we rode.
More literally "a distance to the extent that you would ride it"
Ok, but why is 走 in continuous negative form?
I can see how that works, but cannot make sense of the negative form.
Did the speaker not actually walk the distance the way there?
Because they are currently in the state of not having walked that far - here the ている form is saying the action has been completed and they are now in the state of it being completed.
They did walk, but the sentence here is saying they didn't walk a distance so great that they would take a car. It's negative in english too as you can see.
counters are fucking pointless. I've been studying for years and I only know the basic ones. I doubt I can even say the days of the month properly but I hardly care
>smoking one (1) joint of weed can get you a life sentence and/or the death penalty
Really? How the fuck did that happen? Did Burgerstan force it after we westernized their asses?
thats not true and japan has false views on drugs comparable to muslims views on their deeds
weed is probably a real bitch to find their but i bet you could find things like acid,ecstasy, or most hallucinogens easy
it's not a problem of being fucked, more so a problem of just seemingly not trying. Read through tae kim and make your own anki cards from it. If you come across any grammar you don't know while READING then look it up in the dojg, and make a card of it. Also, do 30 words/day in the core 10k deck, lowering to 15 when you get to the last 600 in each deck (so cards 1400-2000, 5400-6000 and 9200-9600) and add any new words you come across while READING into your own deck.
Japan is pretty authoritarian, and zero-tolerance can be effective. There's also not much of an attitude of protecting personal freedoms from the state, sacrificing a little freedom to protect people isn't necessarily seen as a bad thing.
Here's an introduction to the topic. Read and learn.
When life sucks (for example, due to getting rekt in a war) and hard drugs are around, a drug crisis is inevitable. China also has pretty draconian anti-drug laws for much the same reason (look up the Opium War)
just a quick question not exactly related too Japanese
but how did your familys and friends react to you guys deciding to learn Japanese ( if they know at all )
my parents have been dropping subtle not so subtle hints that what im trying to do is stupid and i wont get anywhere. saying i need to be productive somewhere else in life . ima just ignore them and continue because fuck 'em.
it also made me a little interested on hows others surrounding reacted
1080p dekinai wallpaper I made for myself, use it if you'd like.
Neat, I was actually just rewatching this without subs while doing my reviews. Highly recommend other people try out re-watching stuff they've seen, it's surprisingly easy to follow along based on context/memories if you're at the point where you're able to read moege pretty easily and you don't have to worry about "ruining" it since you've already seen it.
yeah anything i need for this i buy my self though i, still under my parents roof though
but like i said even if they going completely agents me in this ill continue, as i get more and more into this im having a fair amount of fun leaning so im not going to stop
Not trolling. I've been here a short while but I want to watch something that isn't a cartoon or a garbage drama once in a while.
I know 24 and a few other shows have dubs too.
never said it did, i was just using it as a example and a explanation on why i asked the question
also in the original post i typed fast and messed up quite a bit so that probably doesn't help with my point
Mine had somewhat the same reaction. I don't really have friends though so I can't say as to this lmao.
I mean, both our parents have a point though. Studying Japanese as a hobby is fine, but unless you're a NEET manchild that has completely given up you really shouldn't let it go beyond that.
More and more people are attempting to learn Japanese, and with each fail, she gets more smug
poster of original comment >>139678141
yes they do have a small point, but doing this has given me a idea of what i want too do for the future ( noting that i have gone to college yet due too not knowing what i want too do , taking a year off to figure that out)
also the fact they shot it down is what i laugh at it was a 180 on how they supported me before in my interest and my art. honestly though it gives me more motivation to prove them wrong.
i dont know if i can call my self a NEET, i dont lock my self in my room 100% of the time, yes its what i do a lot of the time but i do go outside and i do have a job.
plus i have given up quite yet there is still a little hope
>but doing this has given me a idea of what i want too do for the future
What's that then? I'm sure if you told your parents you have a clear career path in mind they'd be more accepting.
>he's not keeping his home protected while studying Japanese
i actually did try to push this topic to my mom but she got a little angry about me not wanting to do what i originally had in mind.
thats why im just going to ignore anything else from them and do what i feel for
my mistake , didn't know that was the exact meaning of NEET
well originally i was looking at doing Graphic design. then about 2 months ago just before i graduated high school i brought up the idea of being a translator, or even something in Asian studies. because i find the history / culture extremely interesting. at that point though my mother was visibly not happy with where this was going so i stopped the conversation
my family is a navy family and my parents are on the lighter side of "redneck". so it could be the idea of something involving Asia in general she dos not like.
if i circle jerk in a corner with you guys it wont, but like i was talking about here >>139680526 i would like to do something with what i learn
also both my mom and dad where in the navy so that's debatable on the idea of " Educated"
Doing a language degree or something retarded like "asian studies" is a bad idea. If you want to be a translator, then teach yourself a language. If you want to study Asian history, read a book. You go to college for a piece of paper. Make sure you get a piece of paper that is actually worth something.
If you're gonna use the images again you should only use them when you're giving helpful answers to questions or making informative posts.
Mixing it up and using pictures of little girls from other anime would be nice too.
Makes his posts easier to find. I usually skip full-Japanese posts because most of the time it's random shitposting. I'd be fine with a trip too. A native giving helpful answers to questions is probably the only case where trips are acceptable and used for their purpose here.
When I started learning, I was only met with encouragement. But now that I'm in college and constantly on the verge of failing classes due to no motivation, whenever I say anything about my Japanese studies, it's met with "what about college?".
Basically, no matter what you spend your time on, people view it a lot more positively if you got the rest of your life in order.
for a translator having that paper saying you know what you are doing even slightly can be useful. now the Asian studies thing was just something else too throw at my mom so i agree somewhat.
anyway i got work in 8 hours so ill be out for tonight
What I really regret is not doing more though, like I assumed I was going to be fluent as long as I kept up with my study. So I spent a lot of time doing other shit. Towards the end I realize I don't comprehend nearly as much as I was hoping. Later then I find out level 1 isn't even that high.
I only did like 5 words a day or so back then. If someone had told me, at the very least I wouldn't have simply called it a day after doing the schoolwork. I probably would know twice, maybe even thrice as many words by now.
Do you guys follow any jvloggers? Can we talk about that here?
Jason is best
>Tired as fuck.
>Need to do batch of new words before sleeping or I won't get anywhere because tomorrow will be the same shit.
Gonzo's S1 is way better than people give it credit for.
Besides the slapstick comedy, there were lots of genuinely funny and well-written moments.
Right, we don't actually eat horses usually. I don't know the origin really but I think it's just because horses are big. Like you're saying you're hungry enough that you could eat a large amount of food, comparable to the size of a horse.