What can you do with less than $10k a year?

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>>139660848
Very Funny.

>>139660848
>600k a year for voice acting

There is no way that is possible for literally ANY voice actor.

Buy rope and a stool.

>>139660986
Some of them sell music.

>>139661156
And some of them sell their bodies.

>>139660848
How do you live on anything less than a series director salary? 40k a year is about what someone working as a cashier in a grocery store in California makes.

>>139661285
kek

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>>139660848
You can actually live quite comfortably in some countries.

I recently spent a year in the Balkans for a job. Annual monthly salary around there was $410 (though obviously I was paid higher than that). On the flip side, every else was way cheaper. I could go to and devour a bowl of Chinese food till I was stuffed for around $3.

I think I managed to spend only $11,000 throughout my entire stay. And that includes paying rent on an upper-middle class apartment in the nice part of town, along with some out of town weekend excursions.

Totally doable.

>>139661285
Underrated post.

LITTLE

>>139660848
Cost of living in Tokyo isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be when compared to American cities like New York, anywhere in southern California, or the Boston area. 10k is survivable if you stretch it and don't have any debt.

>>139660848
Why don't animators just do it part-time and double their income?

>>139663579
they are paid by frame not by salary

>>139660848
She's basically an intern. In America they don't get anything.

>>139660848
How does Ema afford food?

>>139660848
>>139661540

don't know about Japan, but living expenses are not the same everywhere, for instance as >>139661937 said here in some Balkan countries you can order an entire pizza for like 4-5$, rent is about 150-200€ etc.

>>139661285
Kek

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>>139660848
Get a part time job as well.

>>139663579
Apparently some people actually work for more than one studio at once, since they have no set hours and just are expected to turn in the results at the deadline.

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I would fund Keit-Ai.

>>139664240
Japan, including tokyo, is pretty cheap compared with sydney, ausfailia.

My monthly rent is around 710 burgers (I live with my gf so pay half that). A bottle of coke is around $1.40 and beer is $1.40-$3.

Buses are expensive for some reason. I spend like $40 on buses a week.

>>139663024
>don't have any debt
i-is that even possible?

>>139666865
>My monthly rent is around 710 burgers
That seems high. I'm going to pay about $550 burgers, but then again that's grad student dorms so maybe it's cheaper. Over here grad student dorms are just as expensive as regular housing, though.

>>139667155
I'm a burger who went to college and I don't have debt. I don't understand how so many people build up massive debt.

>>139666865
For comparison a 1LDK equivalent in sydney would run you 400-500 AUD a week (plus utilities and Internet), a bottle of coke is $4-5 and beer is $5+

>>139667184
It's a 40sqm~ 1LDK, partially furnished with water and Internet included. 40 minutes to shinjuku.

>>139667155
Yeah, it's called don't spend money you don't have.

I have debt

They're not getting it back, though.

>>139667319
I won't know the square footage of mine until September when I move in, but it's in the Hongo area.

>>139664240
>you can order an entire pizza for like 4-5$
That's how much I normally pay for a pizza here in Italy.

>>139661540
Cashiers wish they could 40k a year

>>139666865
>>139667184
The ultimate beta move of actually moving to glorious Nippon. Yuck.

>>139666865
Meanwhile you have to pay 3000k to live in a one bed room apartment in Sans Francisco.

>>139668057
>Attending one of the best schools in the world while also traveling where you want to and doing what you want to
>Beta
Try again.

>>139660848
>CG Animator
>getting paid at all
Japanese CG is so fucking bad it's unreal- actually, most of their animation is so bad it's unreal, that's why they make it cookie cutter I guess, don't want to chance fucking it up.

Nobody that does CG work in that country deserves a fucking job though.

A-list voice actors don't deserve that much money either considering the fact that they all sound the same. They must get paid a lot for being whores that teenagers worship, no way in fuck that's actual talent.

>>139668947
>CG is so fucking bad it's unreal- actually, most of their animation is so bad it's unreal
Correct.

>they all sound the same. They must get paid a lot for being whores that teenagers worship, no way in fuck that's actual talent.
Incorrect.

>>139660986
This chart was made based on Nana Mizuki, anon, although the other numbers are just embellished to make you feel sad for animators and buy more BDs.

>>139668763
>Lying on 4chan

>>139668563
$3,000,000?

>>139669358
Nope. Sorry if that makes you angry, though. I don't lie here.

I've lived on less and still been able to save up. Being frugal obviously helps, but I think the determining factor for whether it's possible is rent where you live. In Tokyo you'd probably have to be prepared to live like 1-2 hours away from your workplace just to afford the apartment. Which, combined with ridiculous overtime before deadlines, explains the whole stereotype of animators just sleeping on their desk instead of going home.

>>139669406
How fucking new are you?

>>139669352
You're retarded, there are literal fund risings to help newbie animators to live in a dorm because they get paid 500 bucks.

>>139668563
>Meanwhile you have to pay 3000k to live in a one bed room apartment in Sans Francisco.

That's what you get for living in a shithole like the US.

>>139669426
I've been here a lot longer than someone trying too hard to call someone a newfag when they don't know what they're talking about. Yes, I know about
>lying on the internet
but no, that doesn't make you any less of an idiot for crying newfag.

>>139660848
how does college student win money?

>>139669543
Stipends?

>>139666865
>a bottle of coke is $1.40
it's only $1 in switzerland and our salaries are twice yours. explain this

>>139669463
>fund raiser succeeds
>newbie animators under a certain pay threshold get sponsored free lodgings
>can now take lesser paid jobs because lodging is covered
>studios realize they can get away with paying them even less

th-thanks capitalism

>>139669176
>Incorrect
Look the way I see it is that there is a certain talent that comes with being a voice actor, right?

You read your lines and inject the necessary tone into what you're reading.

Many people can do this.

Their A-list isn't A-list because they're better at the job, they're A-list for essentially being A-list. They're paid to make a statement by just existing as part of the show.

They get paid shitloads because their fans put them on a pedestal, a pedestal that is kinda retarded.

Same goes for Hollywood actors. At some point it's not about their ability, it's just about their name.

>>139669846
No, the people who get paid that much are usually professional singers that also sing in their shows and have amazing vocal range. Please don't pretend for a single fucking second that Nana Mizuki isn't talented.

besides rent and transportation living in japan can be pretty cheap. that still isn't a lot of money though

>>139669905
Can you stop pretending that someone singing a 2 minute OP is worth being paid 10 times as much as the executive producer?

Get real.

They're not paid for being able to sing, they're getting paid for being famous, the singing is just a correlated aspect of that.

>>139670002
>Can you stop pretending that someone singing a 2 minute OP
Go count how many minutes Nana sung in Symphogear. I'll give you a hint: It's a lot fucking more than 2.

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>>139669543

>>139670046
>Defending Idolshit cancer

>>139670167
>Have no idea what you're talking about with regards to pay and seiyuu
>Try to sound smart
>Sound like a retard instead
>Shitpost to cover your ass

>>139670224
>Unironically defending idolshit

>>139670224
This isn't me >>139670167, don't jump to conclusions.

I didn't watch Symphogear though, I have very little interest in watching whores prance around doing dumb shit.

Anime used to actually have purpose.

>>139670275
>>139670286
This is some high level shitposting.

>>139666865
>tokyo is pretty cheap
Explain this meme.

>>139670384
>Tokyo is expensive
Explain this meme to me.

>>139670420
> explaining memes
explain this meme right here to me

>>139670503
>Needing someone to explain memes
Explain this meta-meme to me.

>>139669509
High value shithole sounds like an oxymoron.

>>139670167
You're retarded. For one thing, Symphogear isn't idolshit. For another, even if it was that's only going against your argument, if it was idolshit then the singing/VA would be even more important to the show and thus make more sense for the actor/singer to be paid more.

I think you're underestimating how important good acting and a good opening is in helping the show make money.

>>139661285
Stop it!

>>139669846
>Many people can do this.
Yes but it's like drawing, anybody can draw and draw well with practice sure it's easier for some but most don't even bother or give up after first hour, payment isn't good either unless you're a big shot so many people with potential don't even try or try CGI because "it's the future".
>Their A-list isn't A-list because they're better at the job, they're A-list for essentially being A-list.
To be A-list you have to become A-list, have some kind of talent and work hard to do so see Nana Mizuki for example she was talented, she got lucky and she become title seller and now she's just cutting off coupons from all the hard work she did in the past and keep on doing.
>>139670002
>Can you stop pretending that someone singing a 2 minute OP is worth being paid 10 times as much as the executive producer?
Look up sales of the shows based on leading seiyuu, writer can be deluded fuck, director can be talentless hack, quality of anime can become a meme and popular seiyuu will still sell it while dream production team with literally who as leading seiyuu sell 3k BD and that fact is reflected in their payment.

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>>139670384
Tokyo being expensive is the meme.
East of Tokyo is cheaper that a lot first world cities in Europe.
>>139670286
Does this look like Idol shit to you?

>>139670939
>East of Tokyo is cheaper that a lot first world cities in Europe.
That's not saying much.

>>139661540
You can make do with under 40k a year easy. It's just not going to be fancy.

>>139661540
>40k a year is what a cashier makes
>40k a year isn't around average college graduate starting salary
>California isn't expensive as hell to live in so they have to factor in cost of living

If what you said is even true they're doing it all wrong then.

Lets all go be cashiers in California, /a/!

i already claim the San Andreas fault as my waifu.

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>>139670317
?

>>139670759
>Symphogear isn't idolshit
Who said a thing about Symphogear?

I was saying that defending muh Nana chingchong getting paid 600k is cancerous fuckface.

Stop defending idolshit, don't you have some forum to rant about your idol smoking or something?

>>139664325
>two jobs
>any job at all

Not enough time to shitpost on weeb boards, do not want.

>>139671084
>Singers are idols
Please kill yourself.

>>139669846
You don't even know the most basic aspect of voice acting if you think seiyuu just pop up into a studio and read straight from a script with no preparation beforehand.

>>139667224
You may have better sense with money, but if you can't understand why someone would then you didn't learn very much in college.

Why do you think the military is so 'attractive' here in Burgerland?

>>139671213
>but if you can't understand why someone would then you didn't learn very much in college.
It's ironic that you mention college, because that's the biggest cause of debt for young adults now.

Also, money management isn't something you learn in college. Not sure why you'd bring that up at all.

>>139669522
It's less of a cry and more of an angry, vulgar yell.

>>139670002
It's not about what you deserve; it's about what you're worth.

>>139670692
No, it perfectly describes what the US are.
In fact, I do always call them a “shithole with money”. And I like the US, but they are a shithole nonetheless.

>>139671168
>Same cancerous fanbase
>Same cancerous market
>Sluts herself up
>Probably takes pictures for magazines
>Sucks manager-san cock

>Not idol

>>139671377
You're a dedicated shitposter, I'll give you that. I'm not going to bother responding seriously, I'm just to wait for the angry Nanafags.

>>139671265
>ironic that I mention college

you completely missed the entire point. If you've been to college, you see how some people there live, not to mention how some schools fuck their students over with class scheduling.

If you're someone with good money sense, and can't "understand" why the people who you were around would end up doing something when you were around them for at least 3 years if you went 20 credits a semester like a madman, then you're either non-observant or really stuck up.

You may also be America's top Autistic Accountant.

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>>139660848
>Ema works the hardest
>gets paid the least

What the fuck

>>139671465
If you wasted your time in college following people around and watching them blow money on booze and partying instead of getting shit done, and then have the gall to tell someone else they aren't observant, then you might be the stupidest guy in the thread. I have plenty of friends that went to college and enjoyed themselves, myself included, and only one of us built up credit card debt like an idiot. I didn't ask how someone could acquire debt, I asked how so many people could, because the person I quoted made it sound like debt was the norm. If you and everyone around you was too stupid to plan ahead and think before you acted, or too lazy to get a part time job, that's not my fault.

>>139671934
>credit card debt
I thought you guys were talking about student loans.

>>139670939
You didn't read that post.

I explicitly stated I wasn't the anon that called it idolshit.

HOWEVER, I will say that it looks like pedophile bait garbage with no substance.

>>139672350
>HOWEVER, I will say that it looks like pedophile bait garbage with no substance.
It's hotblooded /m/ shit with deep themes of responsibility, who your real family is, and what it means to try to help other people.

And then GX happens.

>>139672494
>deep themes of responsibility, who your real family is, and what it means to try to help other people.
You mean
>The most generic shit ever

>>139672494
GX may exist, but at least we get two more seasons.

>>139672674
>The quality of themes is judged by their title alone and not the talent with which they are explored
Anon please.

>>139672717
I know. I was in the room when they announced it. Shit was hype.

In all seriousness, I worry what will happen to the series. It's like Kaneko isn't even pretending season 1 exists anymore, and everyone is a shell of their former selves, and every "conflict" is just an excuse for forgiving and increasingly unsympathetic scumbag.

>>139660848
been living my whole life with about that much or less, but the twist is i live in a poorfag country

>>139666865
>tfw pretty crappy apartment in Baltimore
>tfw it's bigger than I need but no where smaller is available
>tfw there is literally nothing around me but ghetto

You're telling me for the same price I could be living in Tokyo?

I was living in Tokyo for three months last semester too, which makes this even harder to deal with.

>>139672803
>That spoiler
Damn you Anon, I'm a little jealous.

Besides that, I know what you mean. The writing was lacking last season, but the show still sells so I can kinda forgive them.

>>139673130
It really is a nice city, isn't it?

>>139673149
>but the show still sells so I can kinda forgive them.
I'd take quality over sales and popularity. I'm kind of sad we don't have the season 1 feel and quality any more.

And yeah, the concert was fucking cool. Can't wait for the BDs, as some of the live versions of songs blow the CD version out of the water. Inori completely caught me off guard with how good she sang GENOCIDE and the album version just doesn't do it for me anymore.

>>139660986
It's based on Nana Mizuki and her albums typically chart in the Top 3 in Oricon. I think at this point she only does voice acting as a hobby.

>>139673409
>It really is a nice city, isn't it?
I'd hop on a plane in a heartbeat and not particularly care if I ever came back outside of holidays.

Especially considering this burgerland election.

>>139673490
>I'd hop on a plane in a heartbeat and not particularly care if I ever came back outside of holidays.
That's my plan.

>Especially considering this burgerland election.
I'm worried about it as well, but I won't get into why because there's no reason to explode this thread into /pol/.

>>139670939
>Does this look like Idol shit to you?
Still pretty girls being cute the rest of the time? Yes? Then yes, it's idol shit.

>>139673490
Price list anon from earlier here. Id look into osaka and yokohama too. Probably a bit cheaper and more chill vibe imo

>>139672803
A high quality take on an idea that's been done to death still shows a lack of creativity and thought, and sucking up the same show you've seen over 10 times in different permutations shows remarkable immaturity regardless of how good it is.

>>139673935
>A high quality take on an idea that's been done to death still shows a lack of creativity and thought
Every premise and theme has been done to death. Execution is what matters, not basic framework.

Go be stupid somewhere else.

>>139660986
That includes all their other works as well, not just voice acting.

>>139669352
Nana only makes 600K a year? anon please.

>>139673130
You just reminded me that I have to watch The Wire sooner or later.

>>139673409
I went to Tokyo for a few weeks solely for the concert, more specifically to hear Aoi live.
100% worth it. Shame about the lack of Ishikawa and Sugita both I was very pleased with the setlist. Got to hear some old S1 favorites.
I was actually expecting Inorin to perform worse, only because she is so young and it's a difficult song but she exceeded my expectations.
Everything after the S4&S5 confirmation was insane. Pretty sure at some point near the end it just devolved into Aoi and the audience shouting "thanks" to each other.
Just a lot of genuine emotion on display.
tl;dr BD when.

>>139675064
I'm still kind of depressed there wasn't a sketch show type thing with Sugita again. Don't get me wrong, the songs were great, especially when the audience was singing Radiant Force louder than the singers, but having the same show twice in a row was kind of disappointing.

>>139661540
>40k as a cashier
Shit, that's more than I make.

But then again, the cost of living in the republic of mexicalibfornia is sky high, so it balances out.