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so I know for a fact this mofo right here is going to kill goku.

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so I know for a fact this mofo right here is going to kill goku. Duh. Why wouldnt want to kill goku? better yet why not vegeta? is it his time to shine while he takes cabbe under his wing and train him to be a sayin warrior he should be
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>>139654107
Because Goku and Vegetable are now the protagonist, also, if Hit kills any of them, he will be disqualified and U7 wins.
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he can't kill them or he'll be disqualified.
the fight will be a shitshow because the preview already said they can't see his attacks and he's too fast.

probably means new ssj form or something.
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>>139656304
Super Cyan 2
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>>139656352
>Super Cyan 2
yeah probably something like that.
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>>139654107
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>>139656427
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He'll probably use a technique that will delay their death in a month.
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>>139656304
Either that or Monaka will beat him
>>139656470
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>>139656541
I watched that movie, Piccolo was a sickly shade of green in it. He's only purple in that promo poster due to lighting.
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>>139656541
i still don't get the Monaka joke.
is he supposed to be Satan 2.0 or something?
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>>139656605
He's the "hero" of planet Wagashi, so maybe?
Or he will fight exclusively using his gigantic nipples, possibly after going into a berserker mode.
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>>139656605
They still saying he is a joke because he passed out with Goku's Kamehameha in base form.
I still thinking he isnt a joke
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>>139656605
I think Monaka is probably the only one who has a natural chance against Hit. Like, Hit's powers don't affect Monaka.
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>>139656605
Yeah no that's bullshit only retards believe. Either one of the following two will be the case:

>Hit has a unique ability and Monaka isn't strong but only cancells his ability out because Bills predicted Hit would participate
But that's actually a plot with way to many twists and knowing that Toryjama can only think in straight lines and not to far ahead it will probably be
>Monaka is super chill and weak 99% of the time but when pissed becomes super strong.

Either one of these two happen or he's the former god of destruction or something like that but then again that would be to good to come from current Toryjama
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>>139656936
i think it's more likely Goku will achieve SUPER CYAN 2 than for Monaka to do anything
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>>139656827
>bear their fangs

this is both scary and ridiculous
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>>139657055
Vegeta is stronger than Goku right now. If anything Vegeta will get SSB2 before Goku.
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>>139656936
>Bills
kek
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>>139654107
>implying Champa won't kill all of u6 when he gets dq/loses.
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>>139657123
>Vegeta is stronger than Goku right now.
source?
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>>139656872
What if Monaka is weak in his current form but has the ability to transform into who ever he is fighting.
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>>139657130
Yeah sorry senpai I was talking about Beerus of course. How about actually contributing to the thread though?
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>>139654107
So we can officially say Vegeta's mirin' Gokus new form
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>>139657160
In Resurrection of F, Goku clearly states that Vegeta surpassed him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk7ncQAfmI


In Super, Goku states that Vegeta may be stronger than he is ~2:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPmopEALvKc

Its like you don't even watch the show.
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>>139656827
is this real? goku says 'that little shi-'?
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Just wait for Super Aryan aka white hair, Toriyama did say he wanted to use that initially but decided to "save it for later".
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>>139656605
Maybe he's so damn fragile that it's impossible not to kill him, forcing the opponent to surrender or lose by rule violation.
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>>139657365
If that was true he'd already be dead from Goku's punch
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>>139657297
>Dubbed version

Yeah, I'm suuuure that script is very accurate.
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>>139657431
Dude you are just grasping for straws. Are Goku-fags the new Gohan-fags?
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>>139657329
Niggastream
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>>139654107
What does it matter? Do you not realize they have a wish-granting pet dragon and a divine being who can turn back time?
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>>139657297
>vegeta surpassed him in the movie under ONE condition only
Also you quoted the wrong movie. That's Battle of Gods.
>watching DBS movie recaps
No, I watched the movies then I started watching Champa saga. They were pretty evenly matched in Resurrection F and in the Chamber of Time and Spirit when they went in before the tournament.

There is no evidence that at the time of the tournament Vegeta is stronger than Goku, unless Hit goes and kills Bulma.
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>>139657297
>In Super, Goku states that Vegeta may be stronger than he is ~2:27
That is when Goku first arrives on Beerus' planet to be trained by Whis. Vegeta is stronger at that point because he had been training there for half a year.
I am not saying I know either way, but it could be possible that Goku caught up again, or even surpassed Vegeta. Half a year's worth of solo training is a lot, but not an unsurmountable difference.
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>>139654107
So, I had a dream about Hit last night, and I'm pretty sure it was prophetic, so don't read this if you don't want to get spoilered.
Basically Hits appearance in OPs pic is just a disguise he uses since he's a hitman and thus doesn't want people to know his real face. In truth he is a bishounen style looking male human. Except that it is later revealed that this was also just a disguise, and his reallly real form is that of a friendly looking, small old man about the size of Monaka. His secret is that he doesn't have any noticable physical strength, however he has the unique power of being able to manipulate the Ki of the people around him. He can use this to do all kind of inbalanced shit like simply draining all of his opponents power at will, or creating Ki blasts not from his own but from other peoples Ki. He can even use other peoples Ki to strengthen his own body so it appears as if he were actually strong.
The person who will figure this out is Gohan, who will be brought to the tournament by Whiz and after Hit won against both Vegeta and Goku, Monaka will defeat him, because Monakas Ki is extremely weak, so Hit can't do anything against him with his powers. It will be hard fought match between to fighters who are both even weaker than an average human, but in the end Monaka will prove slightly stronger and push Hit out of the arena.
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>>139657596
Goku was stronger after 1 year of training with Gohan than Vegeta was after 2 years of training with Trunks.

It could go either way really.
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>>139657846
Goku wasn't stronger per se, he was just a lot more durable and had higher stamina since he overcame SSJ's weakness in form of energy drain.
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So I heard there's going to be a reprint of the manga. Kanzenban of a Kanzenban.

What are the chances Tori ends up adding something again?
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>>139657925
Wouldn't be surprised if Jaco is bundled in as mandatory prologue this time.
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lurk more newshits
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Vegeta will beat him. He is superior to Goku in every way, he even rides a better dragon.
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>>139657922
No, he was absolutely stronger by a good deal. Trunk's Ultra Super Saiyan form's actual numerical powerlevel is literally pointless, so it's not to be counted.
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>>139657994
He wasn't. Read the manga gain.
Vegeta comments that Goku instead of doing regular physical training did something so clever that even he didn't think of which was making SSJ his "normal" state and thus removing the energy and stamina drain it imposes on the body.
You can be the strongest man in the unvierse but if you whimper out after your first attack due to lack of stamina and energy you might as well be the weakest.
You're also forgetting that Vegeta was strong enough to just blow Cell's body to pieces with Final Flash, same exact feat Goku does and doesn't surpass in his fight with Cell. And both of them got horribly tired after this. Goku literally says that after fucking up to kill Cell with that kamehameha he pretty much lost and swaps with Gohan.
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>tfw it's officially Super Saiyan Blue
Do you think the dub will make it Super Cyan?
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>>139658182
I love how both this and the upcoming transformations just have perfect english nicknames in form of Super Cyan and Super Aryan.
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>>139658121
And you're misunderstanding something vital. Goku worked on the stamina drain, sure, and in the process also powered up greatly. It doesn't matter if you never get tired if you're simply not strong enough to hurt your opponent, and Goku was certainly much more capable of hurting Cell than Vegeta was, despite having only trained half the time.

Also, the Final Flash has more damage output than the Kamehameha. Much longer charging time too, he had to dare Cell to sit still for it.
And Gohan was even stronger than Goku, even without going SS2.
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>>139656605
Hit's power is that his power is proportional to who he is fighting currently and always goes beyond them a little. Monaka can swith between a weak form and an extremely powerful, brutal form. Switching on and off will render Hit useless.

Or Goku goes Super Cyan 2 to win and the joke is that we never actually see Monaka fight, and his power forever remains a mystery.
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>>139658206
Regular SSJ was already Super Aryan.
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Want to watch the South Korean 1990 live action movie. Is it bad enough to be entertaining?
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>>139658275
Whis and Beerus already made it pretty obvious Monaka is a fraud.
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>>139658275
I can't imagine hypeing up equality between them so much only to have Goku achieve another asspull.
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>>139658440
>only to have Goku achieve another asspull.
do you even know what show you're watching

even if goku goes super cyan 2 vegeta will just catch up in the next 1-2 episodes.
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>>139658281
White hair is more aryan than banana orange
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>>139658601
Bananas aren't oranges
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>>139658601
Yeah but it was basically white to begin with.
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>>139658732
>Uchiyama
STOP
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>>139657786
>Gohan
Stopped reading your fanfic here.
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>>139654107
Hit will win, he'll be awarded with that space cube that allows him to visit different universes and will try to conquer all of them. The next saga will be the main characters going from one universe to another trying to stop him.
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>>139659032
But Hit isn't evil.
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>>139658849
That's pretty far, though.
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>>139654107
Goku's long overdue for Toriyama to try and kill him off
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>>139656765
his nipples win turn into gigantic arms
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>>139659228
Again?
Last time he tried that he at least had Gohan as a fallback MC.
Now what does he have? Vegeta? Ain't gonna happen.
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Cell when
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>>139659187
Yes, I was taking you seriously until I saw that name.
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>>139659338
>Implying Hit isn't the ultimate evolution of u6 Cell
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>>139659416
what if Cell absorbs U6 Cell?

Double Perfect Cell?
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>>139659703
No one cell absorbed effected his actual biology except 17 and 18, and that was by design
everything else just added to his power.
So he wouldn't change at all, just get stronger.
In fact, he probably wouldn't learn any moves either, as he seems to have only "learned" moves because of the original computer programming.
Basically, Cell, as the "perfect" being was incapable of real growth. This is why his "Zenkai" boost after being blown up only marginally powered him up.
Cell was incapable of gaining power through any real way OTHER than absorption, and was only able to reproduce powers that were used on him.
He was "perfect" but not "the best" which means he'll eventually be surpassed, no matter how much power you add to the mix.

Biological or not, he was still basically a machine.
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>>139659280
this

if he's gonna kill anyone he's going to kill Vegeta and Goku both since they're both the primary protagonists now.
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>>139656568
>what is photoshop you dumb fuck.
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>>139660020
>boost after being blown up only marginally powered him up.
>Marginally

Not at all. It basically turned him SS2.
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>>139659410
You do realize, though, that Gohan doesn't even do any fighting in that dream ,right?
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>>139660020
>This is why his "Zenkai" boost after being blown up only marginally powered him up.

He went from slightly stronger than SSJ1 to SSJ2 level
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>>139660020
Zenkai literally turned him SSJ2
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>>139658206
>>139658601

what white hair
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>>139660120
>>139660134
>>139660222
Not quite. Gohan wasn't in trouble until he took the blast meant for Vegeta and fucked up his arm.
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>>139660333
In a fairly recent interview Toriyama said he originally planned for Super Cyan to have white hair but decided to keep it for later.
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>>139660334
>Not quite. Gohan wasn't in trouble
They hadn't FOUGHT at all, how would you know? Vegeta sperged out before they actually started fighting.
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I hope monaka has bullshit power like devilman that let's him OHK everyone even beerus.
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>>139660334
Except Cell couldn't do jack shit to Gohan before

The fact that he was able to fuck up Gohan badly from one blast meant that he was significantly stronger
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>>139660120
Except, by that logic, he should have been significantly stronger than Gohan
but it was very, very obvious that the only reason he was beating Gohan was because Gohan tanked that blast and wrecked his arm.
Cell basically went from just below SS2 to basically the border. At best he went up 10%
What was more troublesome for them was that he came back basically in full health, stronger than ever, and everyone else was beaten and tired.
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>>139654107
i'm sure people have said this but his head looks like a penis
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>>139660476
>Except, by that logic, he should have been significantly stronger than Gohan
He was.
>>139660476
>but it was very, very obvious that the only reason he was beating Gohan was because Gohan tanked that blast and wrecked his arm.
Nah, he was pretty much fucking around.
>>139660476
>Cell basically went from just below SS2 to basically the border. At best he went up 10%
Cell went from being utterly, embarassingly WRECKED by SS2, to being stronger than SS2.
And the fact that gohan was unable to counter his attack on vegeta, and that the attack hurt him so badly shows that's the case. Cell just chucked a blast at vegeta out of irritation and Gohan almost lost his arm.
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>>139660501
and his collar is foreskin.
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>>139659228
He's not any more overdue than Vegeta.
Man, this SAIYANS ONLY shit passes me off
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>>139660766
Piccolo as main protagonist when?
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>>139660766
Did you drop in from the Android Saga? Pretty sure Tien's Kikoho-spam was the last time a non-Saiyan did anything at all in Dragon Ball.
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>>139660892
>says Tien
>but says Kikoho
IT'S TENSHINHAN
TEN SHIN HAN

YOU FUCKING AMERIFAT NIGGERS
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>>139660566
>And the fact that gohan was unable to counter his attack on vegeta, and that the attack hurt him so badly shows that's the case. Cell just chucked a blast at vegeta out of irritation and Gohan almost lost his arm.
you do realize how much energy SSJ2 sucks down, right? and that he had been in that form for awhile at that point and had been fighting?
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>>139660086
you know, looking back at that movie, it was kind of unfair
the costume designer worked their ass off and did a relatively decent job for a lot of it.
It's not their fault the casting and writing was so awful.
For Piccolo, they were obviously pulling from King Piccolo, who went from wearing a dark blue dress and mauve cape, to a martial art onesie. Oh, and the anime had his clothes switch brightness between old and young for some reason.
They also knew that showing his arms would mean a much more extensive and expensive makeup job, so they tried to mimick the patterns with armor pads.
Set photos reveal that the director basically tinted everything and made Piccolo look pale and like he was wearing black too.
then they got a bunch of shit because their mid-transformation goku didnt look like an oozaru.
If they had an actual decent budget, I suspect the movie would have succeeded despite it's flaws, because they could have cast good actors and spent more on costume and special effects.
I don't know how they thought they could make a movie about super powered martial artists shooting laser beams at each other on a 30 million budget.
The fact that they went through 5 drafts, each time making changes because the previous was "too expensive" and that the actors involved originally thought the movie had a 100 million budget seems pretty indicative that the studio basically decided to kill it in the crib.
Also selecting Stephen Chow was a fucking idiotic mistake.
His films are great, and if this was a straight early dragon ball film (pilaf, red ribbon army) it could have worked great, even on a low budget, because there was so much comedy
but piccolo's arc wasn't comedy.
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>>139660892
Is Buu the most forgotten character in the entire series?
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why didn't Cell keep blowing himself up, so he could reach his final form, Nameless Super Golden Perfect God Cell?
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>>139661143
Not once has SS2 displayed energy consumption problems in the entire series, stop making excuses. He was stronger than Gohan, that's that.
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>>139654107

I can't take him seriously at all. Every time I see his dick head...
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>>139661494
What about now
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>>139661525

That's actually a lot better
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>>139654107
i will love to see him btfo by monaka
would redeem the entire series if that happens
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more importantly, when do we get filler episodes of trunks and mai going on a date?
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>>139661577
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>>139661633
never
they saddly removed this from super
fuck toei
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>>139661402
>Not once has SS2 displayed energy consumption problems in the entire series, stop making excuses
Not explicitly but it can be deduced rather easily.
First look at Kaio-Ken. That saps energy proportional to the multiplier.
Then look at when Goku and Gohan first achieved SSJ1. There was an energy drain. That's why they perfected and even said something along the lines of that.
SSJ3 is stated to have an enormous energy drain.

Gohan's SSJ2 was not perfected, so it should be very obvious that it would drain energy at a faster rate than SSJ1. He sustained the form for a long (longer than anyone else) time.
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>>139661702
maybe toriyama will imply something in the manga, I really rooted for them
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>>139661763
Super manga is not made by Toriyama, it's just promo material for the tv series
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>>139661060
Fine, fine, it's the Tri-Beam. Happy now?
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>>139661269
Only if you've never lived through watching the long DBZ buu saga.
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>>139661837
EAT SHIT
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>>139661269
>Is Buu the most forgotten character in the entire series?
He's literally the first person Goku and Vegeta go to recruit for the universe tournament, but he fails his test and can't compete.

I guess Toriyama is tired of him.
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>>139661658
post Mech Tao please.
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>>139661825
the script is made by him
he also said that the manga is following the script more accurately than the anime
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>>139661825
wrong wrong wrong wrong
Jesus christ you don't know shit.
>>139661909
this
He actually overviews the manga so it's closer to his vision.
The only thing the manga suffers from is it has to fit in to a "TL;DR" format.
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>>139656470
This fucking gold, whoever made this - congratulations, it's the best thing to come from this shithole of a board for quite a while.
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>>139661947
>The only thing the manga suffers from is it has to fit in to a "TL;DR" format.
Well, the anime suffers from a too drawn out format
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>>139661988
I'm glad you like koroshiya Hitto Pai PAi
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>>139661886
here
>>139661658
>>139661525
funny enough even Taopaipai's cyborg helmet is dick shaped like Hitto.
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>>139661909
>>139661947
>wrong
The manga is made by TOYOTARO
Not TORIYAMA

I know they sound similar but there's a clear difference you mongrels

TOYOTARO
TORIYAMA

SEE THE DIFFERENCE YET?

And it wasn't Toriyama that said manga is more accurate. It was Toyotaro that tweeted that he always runs his manga by Toriyama's original storyboards before finalizing each page.
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>>139662087
forgot to mention it's even purple.
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>>139662128
what part of "oversees" do you not understand? It's literally the better incarnation of Toriyama's manuscript. Get the fuck over it.
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>>139662087
It's obviously a ruse, they are dropping too many hints so that everyone is surprised when it turns out he ISN'T other universe tao pai pai
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>>139662135
>>139662087
Tao Pai Pai, Tenshinhan and Ma-Junior were the best things to come out of original DB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzpYZMB1X8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55vYFOEuwA

>>139662182
Which part of "he doens't oversee it at all" do YOU not understand? There is not a single source for your claim. There is only Toyotaro's own tweet where he says he runs his own pages by Toriyama's storyboards but he says nothing about Toriyama personally overseeing jack shit.
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>>139660892
You are now aware that Yamcha could have swapped places with the farmer-with-shotgun after Pilaf and nothing would have changed.
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Will we ever see this girl again? I'm sure everyone has forgotten she exists, even toriyama
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>>139656568
You idiot it's supposed to be hit
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>>139660892
Didn't Piccolo nearly kill Babidi?

I mean it's the thought that counts
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>>139662225
>yfw Hitto just rides the cube across space like pic related (Whis was standing on top of the cube when they were traveling so you don't need to be directly inside)
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>>139662242
>Toriyama personally overseeing jack shit.
yeah but Toriyama even had made Toyotaro fix things and revised it.
The cherry on top of all this Toriyama even in the most recent interview talked about how it would be good to incorporate Toyotaro's plot into the series so get rekt.
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I work w/Toriyama, I can also confirm that Vegeta/Goku are going to lose, Monaka wins just because he was too weak and Hit killed him because he thinks that Monaka was strong, U7 wins, Champa and Beerus start to fight because Beerus literally used Monaka as a kill-bait, in that moment Hit escapes and steals the Cube
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>>139662385
>still no source
Go back to /v/, /v/ermin
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>>139656114
>Hits objective was to kill Goku.
>Kills Goku.
>Disqualified.
>U7 wins.
>Their wish is to bring Goku back to life.
>So its done.
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>>139662415
go reread the interview again bitch. OH wait you probably can't even read japanese....
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>>139662367
Whis doing something means shit tbqh, he's completely alien even to Beerus. For what I know he could move through starcores and it wouldn't be unbelievable in this setting.
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>>139662474
>STILL
>NO
>SOURCE

I'm waiting, /v/ermin
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>>139661874

seeing how fucking hardcore they've gone with the meme fights and meme moves and strategies - buu would have been literally the perfect character for him to use for more meme shenanigans and laughs

what a damn shame

also

>white enemy incoming

truffles fucking when
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>>139662660
>meme fights and meme moves and strategies
i don't understand what you mean.

please speak in real words or describe what you mean by "meme" fights and "meme" moves
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>>139662660
Its not, it will be evil Shenron from GT, this isn't a fucking joke.
The other universe will have darkened Dragon Balls, and the whole reason earth was destroyed will be they fought over the Dragon Balls. With no Goku, nobody was there to stop it, thus darkened balls.

I bet I am right too, that will piss me off.
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DB had best OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhScFOYNEoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EomNscL69RU

Even fucking Yamcha had a badass theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kr7BKP5amM
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>>139662242
>Which part of "he doens't oversee it at all" do YOU not understand? There is not a single source for your claim. There is only Toyotaro's own tweet where he says he runs his own pages by Toriyama's storyboards but he says nothing about Toriyama personally overseeing jack shit.

It's also mentioned in the new interview with Toriyama himself (although the wording there is overseeing each chapter while Toyotaro had said each page).
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>>139662845
You still haven't linked your magic interview.
You're still pulling shit out of your ass seeing as you refuse to link source.
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>>139662894
http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/comic/dbs01_sp_int/
here you go cocksucker
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>>139661722
>First look at Kaio-Ken. That saps energy proportional to the multiplier.
Has NOTHING to do with SS.
>Then look at when Goku and Gohan first achieved SSJ1. There was an energy drain.
The opposite, SS was basically Kaioken x50 with no real energy drain. It was the perfect version of the Kaioken. Goku's work on the SS was more to allow them to get used to the state and eliminate the emotional turmoil of it. If he did fix some kind of energy drain, it was never an issue in the first place.
Neither base SS nor SS2 ever displayed actual energy drain issues in any fight or moment in the series. SS3 was the only one where the drain became an issue.

Regardless, Gohan was only SS2 for a few minutes during his fight with Cell and he was trashing him the whole time. Hardly enough time for a MASSIVE energy drain to happen.
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>>139662894
>>139662549
>>139662558
――『DB超』のこれまでの物語は、鳥山先生のプロットで進んできたとのことですが、これからは物語作りにもとよたろう先生が加わって行けたりするとおもしろそうですね!
鳥:それはいいなあ!! とよたろう先生のオリジナルな部分が加わるともっとおもしろくなりそう!
と:と、とてつもないプレッシャーが…(汗)。でもいつか、『ドラゴンボール』の最終話に上手に着地させられると、すごくカッコいいですよね。
鳥:あ。それがいいね! 「すごい!鳥山先生、最初から考えてたんだー!」ってなると、僕がすごーくカッコいいかんじになるので(笑)。
http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/comic/dbs01_sp_int/
Right here Toriyama confirms that he'd love Toyotaro to also incorporate his plot. This is where Toyotaro states he wants to make sure it lines up and connects to the epilogue of the series.
Just face the facts that the manga canon is better than anime canon.
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>>139662989
>tfw Goku & Majin Vegeta were SSJ2 for most of their fight
>tfw SSJ did drain energy but Goku & Gohan trained so they adapted to it and can vary their output
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>>139663077
Nice headcanon
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>>139662958
>>139663011
All you had to do was link it from the get go instead of acting like /v/ermin spergs. I concede, you were right.
Doesn't change the fact that you acted like idiots.
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>>139663077
>>tfw SSJ did drain energy

When?
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>>139663160
shut your whore mouth I don't need to spoonfeed you shit.
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>>139663011
I haven't noticed
have we seen kid Goten and Trunks at the tournament in the manga?
I am wondering if we're just gonna get some Goku/Vegeta + U6 guy arc, and when it's all over, we'll see aged Goten and Trunks
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>>139662958
>Super Cyan was supposed to be White but he changed the color since it would clash with the "new enemy" and decided to save White for later

SUPER ARYAN CONFIRMED
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>>139662989
>SS was basically Kaioken x50 with no real energy drain.
stopped reading here. I'm not going to argue with someone who literally doesn't know what he's talking about.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Full_Power
>The form is the Super Saiyan state trained into a "natural" form, and removes the agitation that is present in the original Super Saiyan form, also allowing the Saiyan to easier manipulate their ki in the form and utilize it more efficiently, minimizing strain
>allowing the Saiyan to easier manipulate their ki in the form and utilize it more efficiently, minimizing strain
>minimizing strain
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>>139663160
>talking shit after expecting to be spoonfeeded
faggot go kill yourself
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>>139663182
Yes you do when you're spouting shit with no source to back up your claims, eat shit you nigger.
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>>139663264
maybe you should stay up to date faggot.
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>>139663182
>citing your source = spoonfeeding
No, dumbshit, it's called not-talking-out-of-your-ass.
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>>139663280
Maybe you should learn how to present your arguments and back up your claims with actual sources.
Not that an uneducated amerifat imbecile like you would know that.
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>>139663157
>>139663169
>tfw no one remembers Cell Saga including Hyperbolic Time Chamber training and Gohan struggling
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>>139663297
>>139663314
>not staying up to date the with the most recent interview.
Stay mad retards, maybe learn some japanese so you can actually read.
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>>139663253
Strain is not Drain. And also,
>wiki

Lol.
Yes, Goku's "improved" SS form can arguably be said to be more energy efficient. This does not mean simply being in SS or in SS2 had some kind of energy leak that would tire out out after a couple minutes of beating on a much weaker opponent than you.

Stop making excuses, Gohan was much weaker than the revived cell.
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>>139663354
Sorry I can't hear you over that Anita tranny cock in your mouth
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Toriyama is literally plugging shit in and hoping it will stop the bleeding in this series.

So many plot points that would have been nice have been completely ignored.

>Goten and Trunks training to be more powerful
>Vegeta and Goku practicing fusion in case the enemy is so powerful they need it
>Mastering the super saiyan forms so it drains less energy
>Old Kai unlocking hidden potential is completely thrown away
>Vegeta going SSJ3 with all the training he did
>Piccolo ascending to a new level

I mean come on. So much shit could have been addressed but we get shitty plot direction that has Goku and Vegeta doing everything while everyone else is next to useless.
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>>139663325
>Cell Saga including Hyperbolic Time Chamber training and Gohan struggling
Struggling to access the form and maintain it, he was literally just learning how to do it. Not the same thing at all.
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>>139663381
>resorting to shitposting
why are you even here? You're obviously just a poser if you didn't even know about the Toyotaro Toriyama interview.
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>>139663280
just present your points assuming everyone is as much of an uninformed idiot as one could be

But I bet you're just hunting for (You)'s, so have another one
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>>139663411
>and maintain
>and maintain
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>>139663280
i can't read japanese i'm sorry.
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>>139663391
>>Vegeta going SSJ3 with all the training he did
Why would he need SSJ3 when his mastered SSJ2 was stronger than Goku's shitty SSJ3?
Why would he need SSJ3 when he has Super Cyan that's infinitely more powerful and has literally no energy drawbacks?

Everything else I agree with.
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>>139663461
And maintain as in "and not pop out of it the moment his emotions fluctuated, stupid. Goku had no issue keeping it up for five minutes literally the frist time he used it, and he had been fighting for a long tme already.
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>>139663413
Not all of us are /v/ermin neckbeards living in parents' basement and sitting on chinese cartoon forum 24/7
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>>139663477
>Why would he need SSJ3 when his mastered SSJ2 was stronger than Goku's shitty SSJ3
It wasn't some Mastered SS2, it was just MUH RAGE giving him a bullshit powerup.
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>>139663366
multiple people have posted things that prove you wrong. i'm not going to go get the exact fucking episodes or manga pages for you where they say it drains energy maintaining the transformation. it should be obvious to you that SSJ is energy intensive, otherwise Goku would have never perfected it.

If you want to believe that Cell suddenly became stronger than SSJ2 then okay. I don't care to argue with you anymore.
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>>139663477

Just so it really hammers down that Vegeta is neck and neck with Goku. Showing how even with his declaration that Goku is better than him, his pride hasn't vanished and he has pushed himself to the limit of his power.

Honestly I am bothered Vegeta never reached SSj3 just based on principal. Guy has access to the best equipment to the world and still is a whole transformation behind Goku.

>"b-but anon SSj3 is too powerful for the planet

Explain Goku going to SSG and not destroying the planet?
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>>139663539
Vegeta ain't Gohan or a halfling, rage doesn't buff him up.
Goku was slacking off, Vegeta was training almost 24/7
It's only natural he surpassed Goku at that point.
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>>139663517
>all this projecting
Just be grateful I informed your dumb ass.
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>>139663543
>multiple people have posted things that prove you wrong.
All it boils down to is "well he SAID he wanted to reduce the strain of it".

You have literally ZERO examples of SS or SS2 having trouble with energy consumption. Even if Goku made it more energy efficient, it was not an issue that EVER came up in any fight in the series save for Trunk's "beefed up" SS.

But sure, keep pretending Gohan was running on fumes after bullying cell for all of five minutes, it'll let your husbando save face.
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>>139663502
>Goku
>trained warrior
>not completely exhausted
>managed to remain in SSJ even when calmer
>Gohan
>first time alone with Daddy
>not very experienced compared to Goku
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>>139663602
>Vegeta ain't Gohan or a halfling, rage doesn't buff him up.
That is literally what they show happening. He got really pissed because of Bulma. Don't act like Super has consistent writing.
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>>139663594
>Honestly I am bothered Vegeta never reached SSj3 just based on principal. Guy has access to the best equipment to the world and still is a whole transformation behind Goku.
Wha the fuck are you on about? Vegeta surpassed Goku the second his SSJ2 made a literal GOD bleed when Goku couldn't even scratch him.
Vegeta got neck and neck with Goku the second they both unlocked Super Cyan, rendering literally all the previous transformations useless.
Literally the only reason they even used SSJ in the tournament was to gimp themselves and also hide the Cyan until last moment as a trump card.
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>>139663644
>>Gohan
>>first time alone with Daddy
but that's wrong, it took him several days in the hyperbolic time chamber, at least in the manga
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>>139663644
>Not completely exhausted
He'd been fighting Freezer for many episodes and had used Kaioken x20. He was hurt and exhausted.

Everything else is true though, anon. What are you getting at?
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>>139663674

Amusing considering Vegeta admitted Goku is better than him and is the best. I don't give a fuck about this dumb SSG shit that doesn't make any sense have the damn time.

I am talking about Z where Vegeta got the shaft and was an embarrassment. Constantly getting his shit kicked in forsaking his pride.
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>this thread
>this autism
>this shitposting
>mfw
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>>139663674
>Vegeta surpassed Goku the second his SSJ2 made a literal GOD bleed when Goku couldn't even scratch him.
for two punches because the god slapped his wife.

then he got his shit pushed in in 2 punches just like ssj3 goku.
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>>139663761
Protip, nobody cares about Z, we're talking about Super now and wasted ideas that Super didn't use.
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>>139661763
not gonna happen bruh.
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>>139654107
Dragon Ball Super is aimed at 10 year olds. Don't expect anything.
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>>139663700
>first time alone
>time
>first time I caught a fish
>first time I fucked floor times
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>Goku and Vegeta killed off in any circunstances
>Both being the protagonists as of this moment

Nigga, if they went down, who the fuck would even replace them? Fucking Yajirobe?

Actually, that'd be interesting. You hardly know anything about that fat piece of shit. Nigga's just one random fat dude who's surprisingly good for someone who's a ronin, yet we never saw him actually training even once.
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>>139663768
These crazy amounts Tao Pai Pai are making me want to watch his fight with Goku again.
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>>139663718
>completely exhausted
>still can continue on
>implying Goku isn't an experienced warrior who is more or less used to being tired in a fight vs Gohan who has nowhere near that experience
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>>139660382
we AF nao
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>>139663391
>>Goten and Trunks training to be more powerful
agree
>>Vegeta and Goku practicing fusion in case the enemy is so powerful they need it
doesn't mesh with their characters. they would never do this again after vegito. GT is not canon.
>>Mastering the super saiyan forms so it drains less energy
Super Cyan has no energy drain.
>>Old Kai unlocking hidden potential is completely thrown away
Old Kai can't unlock potential that isn't there. Gohan is still Ultimate or Unlocked or Mystic or whatever you want to call him Gohan. All his potential is still in his base form--the point of unlocking--but he never trains so he has basically no potential anymore and has to resort to SSJ.
>>Vegeta going SSJ3 with all the training he did
pointless with Super Cyan
>>Piccolo ascending to a new level
This would be as much of an asspull as Super Cyan 2. There's no reason why Piccolo should be able to do this unless he goes and absorbs a million more Namekians.
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>>139664065
>Beaten up
>Broken inside because of Kaioken double his limit.
>Completely exhausted after all that and the Genki Dama
>Turns Super Saiyan
>Keeps it going for five minutes with no trouble, and keeps it up after the fight

Still pretending it has some huge energy drain

Gohan is obviously less experienced than he is, which is why he had more trouble staying transformed the first time.And... so what? What is your point? That Gohan was completely drained by SS2 after Bullying cell for a little bit just because you're desperate to prove he wasn't weaker than Super Saiyan 2 perfect Cell, but that it was TOTALLY your fanfiction's Energy Drain's fault?
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>>139664182
>the symbolss on the clothing actually resemble the ginga patrol symbol
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>>139664195
All transformations are asspulls, so nothing wrong with Piccolo getting one.
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>>139664275
>ginga patrol
well shit
truly pioneers
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Why doesn't Piccolo just absorb every living Namekian in existence? Then he can just make new eggs and bring about a new race of hyper powerful super mega namekians.
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>>139664452
why don't you just kill yourself

meaningful questions that will never be answered
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>>139664338
>All transformations are asspulls, so nothing wrong with Piccolo getting one.
Make one up then. Justify it.
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>>139664483
Settle down, spaz. Who pissed on your cheerios?
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>>139664494
Piccolo should have God ki. He has some 500 years experience as God of Earth since merging back into Nameless Namek.
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>>139664580
your existence
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>>139664587
>Piccolo should have God ki. He has some 500 years experience as God of Earth since merging back into Nameless Namek.
Protector of Earth isn't an actual god of the universe like the Kais and God of Destruction.

Kami is just a name because he was equivalent to god to humans.
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>>139664494
He doesn't have to justify shit when something like Super Saiyan God exists.

>>139664597
If an anonymous stranger over the internet triggers you this much, I'm legitimately surprised you haven't killed yourself yet.
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>>139664494
God of Destruction Piccolo
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>>139664628
>Protector of Earth isn't an actual god of the universe like the Kais and God of Destruction.
Same applies to Saiyan God transformarion.
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>>139664628
God ki makes no sense. Kais don't even have God Ki. Beerus' position in the universe is pointless. The SSG form makes no sense. It was already stupid enough when Goku got it by holding hands and singing Kumbayah, but now vegeta got it on his own so apparently all Saiyans can just naturally become gods, fuck logic.
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>>139664494
he accidentally eats some food from earth for the first time instead of just drinking water like all namekians and it awakens dormant genes in his body
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>>139664628
Guardian is actually a minor deity role. Dende and Piccolo can detect God Ki like the Kais.
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>>139664677
>Same applies to Saiyan God transformarion.
Even Raditz was stronger than Kami and Vegeta certainly could have kicked Piccolos ass when he united too.

Saiyan "false god" form is stronger because Saiyans are inherently stronger.

I'm not opposed to Piccolo getting a powerup but there doesn't seem to be an option.
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>>139664807
>Godliness is just a matter of powerlevel

Dragonball is retarded.
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>>139664494
He pukes up 5 mini-Piccolo's then hold hands with them, which makes his battlepower 100 trillion
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>>139664684
>but now vegeta got it on his own so apparently all Saiyans can just naturally become gods
If they train for extended periods of time under the supergod alien that trains the "most powerful guy in the universe" then yeah maybe.

or maybe they went back to earth and did it again with vegeta as the lead. who knows.
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>Goku and Vegeta are both married
>No chance we'll get more full-blooded saiyans since now there's apparently saiyan women somewhere

Disgusting race mixing
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>>139664882
>If they train for extended periods of time under the supergod alien that trains the "most powerful guy in the universe" then yeah maybe.

Apparently Super states Vegeta did it by himself.
I get Super is sucking vegeta's dick, but there's better ways. And why isn't gohan a SSG too? I mean, they have five Saiyans and an easy, free power up, literally no reason not to give it to everyone for safety reasons.
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>>139664858
Everything in Dragon Ball is a matter of powerlevel.

That's what makes it fun.
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>>139663391
>future trunks arrives
>has reached FPSS
>is basically Perfect Cell level
>Vegeta praises how strong he's become
>chibi Trunks sees this and gets jealous
>convinces Goten to sneak off to the RoSaT and train for 2 days/2 years
>comes out having gotten their growth spurts, and are a lot stronger than before
How would you react?
>>
How far are we in this series? How many episodes left?
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>>139664959
>Apparently Super states Vegeta did it by himself.
Well maybe it's possible then, but not every Saiyan is going to have access to the God of Destruction's personal trainer.
>And why isn't gohan a SSG too? I mean, they have five Saiyans and an easy, free power up, literally no reason not to give it to everyone for safety reasons.
Gohan was so weak that he couldn't even use his unlocked abilities anymore or SSJ2. Unless Super changes this, he also doesn't really care to be a fighter anymore.
Goten is probably too young to handle or understand the power. [this is headcanon]
Trunks is the same as Goten.
Pan is not born.
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>>139664999
as long as we can relate to Kid Trunks the way we love Future Trunks I'm happy.
Considering they've been slacking off at the epilogue of Z they'd have to somehow incorporate it after meeting Uub.
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>>139664999
Kid Trunks will never be anywhere as interesting as Future Trunks, no matter what.
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>>139663011
>Just face the facts that the manga canon is better than anime canon.
I haven't been following this conversation at all, but what are you saying now?
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>>139664999
As long as I get to see more of trunks anything is fine

also checked
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>>139665079
Trunks and Goten are Teenagers. At their age Gohan was saving fucking Earth like no one else could.
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>>139665122
> but what are you saying now?
What is there to say?
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>>139665152
What was the argument about in the first place? I don't understand what point the interview you linked is trying to make?
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>>139664214
>implying Goku isn't used to being tired
>Demon King Piccolo
>Radditz
>Vegeta
>implying Gohan didn't also pour all his energy into countering Cell's Kamehameha
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>>139665147
>Trunks and Goten are Teenagers
I thought they were like 8 years old.
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>>139665218
Given how "Teen" Cell Games Gohan is 11, it get hard to distinguish.
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>>139665186
I was just stating the manga canon is refined and in Toriyama's vision and not just a throwaway "anime promotional" comic.
There's elements where Toriyama revised and corrected such as the Ancient Egyptian setting for the tournament.
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>>139665262

He wasn't 11. He was 9/10.
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Odd of Frost undergoing major character development and turns into a legit good guy?
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>>139665300
Could somebody get the timeline here?
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>>139665292
>and not just a throwaway "anime promotional" comic.
No, it looks like the mangaka is getting a lot of input from Toriyama based on that interview.
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>>139665349
That's exactly what I said, your implication is contradictory.
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>>139656427
>>139656470
>>139654107
Hes pretty strong
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>>139665407
>your implication is contradictory.
What implication? I was asking why the interview was being linked in the first place.
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>>139665300
>>139665329
Gohan was 9/10 when he fought Cell.
Goten was 7/8 at the end of the Buu saga, so depending on how much time had passed between that and Battle of the Gods he may be 9/10 now as well.

Goten is supposed to be way fucking stronger than Goku or Gohan if he kept training given that he went Super Saiyan at 7yo, but him and Trunks were almost as lazy as Gohan regarding training since the end of the Buu saga so I guess they're weak now or something.

I don't know. That's something that should be resolved in Super.
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>>139665448
dude said "Super manga is not made by Toriyama, it's just promo material for the tv series"
so we corrected him that it's not mere promotional material but authentic medium made by Toyotaro that plays off the original manuscript of the animated television series.
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>>139665328
He probably will if he joins with Goku and co and fight the villain of the next arc.
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>>139665589
Ah, ok. That's what I was looking for. Based on that interview, it's clearly not a throwaway. Toriyama seems decently invested in it.

Looking forward to this next white enemy they mentioned.
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>>139665689
>Looking forward to this next white enemy they mentioned.
What?

You mean Super Aryan?
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>>139665689
>Looking forward to this next white enemy they mentioned.
All these people saying it's gonna be time travelling demons and shit. First thing that came to my mind was the original white haired dude Baby Vegeta
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>>139665736
When Toriyama was asked "Why Blue?" He said "Well I did Red in BoG, so I figured I'd go Blue in the next one!" and then said "But no seriously, I couldn't go white this time because it would clash with the color of the next enemy."
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>>139665801
If anything from GT shows up, I will honestly cry.
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>>139665821
>"But no seriously, I couldn't go white this time because it would clash with the color of the next enemy."
Oh okay.

So Super Cyan 2 confirmed then.
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>>139665875
>So Super Cyan 2 confirmed then.
Nah, Super Aryan.
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>>139665922
What?
He just posted a quote from Toriyama saying he can't do white because it's going to color clash.
Super Cyan 2 is the only other option.
or maybe they'll regrow their tails and get Super Cyan 4 and we all kill ourselves
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>>139666002
>He just posted a quote from Toriyama saying he can't do white because it's going to color clash.
Yes, and after they off that enemy, they'll ascend to the true master race.
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>>139666020
How are they going to beat the next, more powerful enemy, without an asspull transformation?
How are they even going to beat Hit when Super Cyan isn't enough?
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>>139666063
Hit will have Goku on the ropes, then Goku will smirk and say "I've invented a way to fully negate your magic psychic energy" and then proceed to bash his face in while screaming 楽しいぜ! and ワクワクしているぞ!
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>>139656470
this picture is great but like >>139662367
said I'd like to see a rendition of this picture but instead of Frost he's riding atop the cube.
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>defending super
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>>139666617
at least vegeta is significant now
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>>139666221
It's good.

>>139666617
goten potential unlocking when
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>>139666660
He thinks supers good, point and laugh guys
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>>139666718
He's right, retard.
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>>139666735
He's right that he's wrong.
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>>139666824
if you don't like it then why are you in the super thread

it's certainly much better than Kai and even DBZ.
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>>139667126
>if you don't like it than why are you here
You haven't been on /a/ for very long have you?
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>>139662777
I just listened to first that song today.
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>>139667126
>being this defensive
everyone, even some DB fans have agreed that DBS is shit.
>it's certainly much better than Kai and even DBZ.
oh god tell me you're not serious
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>>139667252
Super had laughable animation quality at times but the latest episode 38 shows that it's getting better.
Maybe with Toei now done with the One Piece movie they actually are starting to get better hands on this project.
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>>139667367
Or the flak from Toriyama is giving them new incentive to make sure the quality steps up
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>>139667322
>everyone, even some DB fans have agreed that DBS is shit.
i only consider the serious from the third arc on. the first two are the movies and don't count.

that third arc is good.
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>>139667367
>it will get better after freeza saga guys!!
>n-n-n-o actually it's only after the one piece movie!!
let it go my son
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>>139667367
People were saying the tournament arc will have better animation.
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>>139667367
Anon, do you really think that will happen? Super will sell regards, why would Toei put more effort?
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>>139667453
I agreed that the filler animations were bad and turned me off.
>>139667567
Did you watch the new episode? It drastically improved compared to the past.
>>139667672
It's been spotty but episode 37 proves that it got better.
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>>139662272
>>139662272
He found the Cyborgs in Cell Saga and brought Goku to safety after he got too weak.

Yamucha 1 : 0 You
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>>139657329
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I liked how back when they were fighting Gold Freiza we Vegeta breifly got his moment to be the star only for Goku to take it away from him next episode.

Will Vegeta ever get to end a story arc as the big hero?
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>>139669040
>Will Vegeta ever get to end a story arc as the big hero?
no.
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>>139667367
This. The animation keeps improving and that's really nice.
World Trigger just ended and with the One Piece movie, I guess we'll probably get good animators making recurrent appearance.
Episode 37 had a lot of chinese working on it and they were making their debut appearance on the series. I wonder if the good cuts are from them and if they'll become regular animators on DBS.
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Whis is great, but I just wish his hair wasn't so retarded so I could like him more.
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>>139669291
Fag.
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>>139669040

Probably not, but least he's a better dad than Goku and Trunks and his descendants will probably be stronger than Goku's kids.
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>>139657972
>Riding the namekian dragon

Thanks doc
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>>139662352
Karate chopped him in half
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>>139669313

interested?
post your email bb
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>>139669313

We're seriously discussing a show that was made for eight year olds. Liking dick is the least of peoples problems.
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Can Vegeta please die? He's annoying.
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>>139670369
How is Vegetable annoying?
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>>139669291
fag
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>>139667672
>People were saying the tournament arc will have better animation.

Well, so far, it hasn't fallen to the lows of Goku vs Freeza part 1 or Goku vs Beerus in North Kai's planet.

The animation getting better doesn't mean suddenly improving 100%.
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>>139666735
Fuck off faggot, GT is better
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>>139673953
My entire smug folder wouldn't be enough.
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>>139674013
Gt had more consistent animation for one though, and you didnt like baby or omega shenron?
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>>139674058
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>>139674058

Baby was the peak of GT, but O Shenron is very overrated, even for GT.
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>>139654107
I've seen how it ends

Hit beats both Vegeta and Goku

He's set up to fight Monaka and begins laughing while backing up.

In the end he laughs and falls out of the ring.

Beerus was laughing the whole time. Beerus seriouses up and comments that Monaka's ability makes him an undisputed power house.
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>>139674058
>Gt had more consistent animation
doesn't make up for the atrocious shitting on the abilities and powers of already established characters and just general nonsensical shit that went on fucking everywhere.

and the writing was god awful. even for dragon ball.
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>>139674417
>In the end he laughs and falls out of the ring.
Anon...
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>>139674553
yes?
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>when basic ass mothafuckas on the street tell me Goku a better character than Vegeta

fuck out my face with that bullshit. real talk, don't even look at me on the street nigga, that's off top. Some serious ass shit gonna happen. Straight like that, bitch ass niggas. Believe that shit.

Believe that shit.
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>>139674058
>Gt had more consistent animation for one though

It had more consistent animation at the cost of making things horribly static. Rewatch the Baby vs Goku battles and see how little "battling" actually happens in each episode.
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>>139673953
>>139674058
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>>139674588
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>>139674739
>Konosuba game
Is it any good?
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>>139664959
Bullshit you damn dirty liar. There is a clear moment when Goku's and Vegeta's fists clash a blue spark bursts out and the camera pans to their surprised faces. Goku passed on the god ki to Vegeta during the hyperbolic stick chamber training.
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You have 5 seconds to name the 5 absolute worst parts of GT, and I'll do my best to justify them.

Go!
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>>139674846
I don't know, I haven't played it yet.
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>>139675206
Go play it now and report back before the thread dies.
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>>139675657
Too busy. I've seen people saying it's short and fun though. I don't think someone has released an english patch though.
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>>139675778
>I don't think someone has released an english patch though.
構わない
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Guys, look at what i found lol..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E65ILcALcQE
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>>139662772
>all over universes get cucked by black balls
nice
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>>139667816
>implying there weren't other Z-fighters standing around that could have done those things
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>>139662272
Yamcha is the only character to make more than one wish with Shenron.
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If the U7 team was going to win 3 matches in a row anyway, why didn't they let Piccolo win against Frieza and have him lose against the robot? Vegeta defeating two in a row is still good.
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>>139675122
>Kid Goku never turning back to adult with the exception of SS4
>Pan
>First part where they had to find the dballs across the universe
>All side characters getting less screen time
>Underwhelming villains
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>>139678112
Probably Jaco couldnt notice Frost cheated, then Goku wouldnt be back.
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>>139661525
That's super hot, would bang.
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>>139678112
To make up for Vegeta not killing Freiza in F.
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>>139678524
If Piccolo had noticed that something was off when Goku fought him and had predicted/countered the cheating when fighting Frost, it would have both made him look smarter and made him look viable going forwards.
The series could have been exactly the same right until Piccolo had his arm wrapped around Frost. If he'd done something to protect himself against the poison, he could have won. Hell, if he'd just exposed the poison at that point (knowing that Frost would use it as a last resort) he could have had Frost disqualified without needing to hit him with the Special Beam Cannon.
I think I would be more excited if they'd done something like that to make other characters more relevant. Instead, it just looks like it's going to be more Goku/Vegeta from now until the end, which is annoying particularly because it wasn't necessary.
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>>139678112

Piccolo is dead weight. Whis or Beerus should've got off their lazy fucking asses and threw in the absolute best instead of relying on Goku's picks. I know he realized that both of the saiyans were worth an entire team on their own but for fucks sake get some strong padding and use goku and vegeta as an anchor if shit goes south.

Plus it would be interesting to see other new fighters in their own universe that could be near their power level.
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>>139678112
>Piccolo
Because he sucks. His powerlevel is too low. Gohan probably would have been better even after not training and becoming a shit because he said he had been training in secret with piccolo.

Should have thrown Gohan in the time room for 3 days before the fight and we could have had a character that isn't a flesh shield like Piccolo
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>>139654107
why is he a dickhead?
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>>139679055
I think Piccolo's super eyesight is magic based and only works on Earth. Jaco's eyesight was implied to be cybernetically enhanced by the Galactic Patrol, that's how he could see the needle.
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>>139679055
While I'm thinking on this, Piccolo could have had Frost disqualified in this way and say that he deliberately forced Frost into a corner rather than simply blasting him because if he just knocked him out of the ring, he couldn't prove that Frost had cheated and Goku wouldn't be reinstated. Again, it would make him look like he can plan ahead.

>>139679216
I hope we'll get some new characters added to the roster as we move into U6. For now, I don't mind Piccolo getting some more screentime because we haven't seen him fight in a decade and nostalgia is nice.

>>139679389
While you're probably right about this, I'm entirely fine with not having another saiyan in the competition. Might make less sense in terms of power levels, but there can only be so many variations of "go SSJ and beamspam".
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What are the chances that Goku will win against Hit?
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>>139679616
Goku at this moment has more stamina than Veggie, he probably wont beat Hit, but making him a bit tired, then Monaka goes and he beats Hit.
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>>139679616
>>139679742
or they use this as a kickstarter / segway into a Universe 6 arc.
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I didn't know what I expected...

Why is it that every DB thread works like a retard magnet?
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>>139680375
wide range of audience being the biggest anime in history.
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>>139679616
Goku will go Super Cyan 2 and win.

>>139680375
>implying these threads are any worse than best girl or waifu threads
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>>139678496
Having just rewatched most of the series (4 episodes into the Evil Dragons arc):

>not that bad up until about where I'm at now. Most of the time, he's about as funny as kid Goku in DB was. This is the last arc though, and I want to see everyone doing shit, and Goku at his best; kid shit got old.

>definitely a large weakness of the show; they should have either made her more similar in personality to how she was at the 28th Budokai, shoved her onto the back-burner, or over-saturated that first arc with a lot more enjoyable characters to drown her out. I guess I'm saying "at least she didn't ruin literally every scene in GT?"

>this part's mixed. The shit was pretty boring, but once they got to M2 it got a lot better

>the non-Goku characters actually get a decent amount of screen time; and the mundane slice of life shit that they're all doing is pretty fun to watch

>Don Kia, Mutchy, Lood, Sigma Cannon, Green Frog Dragon, Pink Penguin Dragon, Ocean Waifu Dragon, and Purple Mole Dragon were all pretty shit
>Ledgic, Rilld, Baby, Gero, Myuu, Super 17, Freeza, and Cell were solid I thought
>haven't got to the last 3 dragons yet

Your first 3 points are the hardest to argue against. Pan I can't really defend at all.
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>>139680616
cabba best girl waifu
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>Pan doesn't grow to be a space patrol explorer/adventurer with combat gear as a young adult

Explain this me, we had videl but we can't have grown up pan?
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>>139681262
toriyama doesn't know how to draw a female SSJ
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>>139681357
I see
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>>139681661
it sounds dumb but that's literally the reason why.
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>>139681357
Didn't. Past tense.
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>>139681920
>Didn't. Past tense.
Didn't implies that he has since figured out how, which would imply that there is a toriyama drawn female SSJ.

Source?
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>>139666617
I hate the scholar shit. The only thing the series ever did with it was use it as an excuse to make Gohan a throw-away character. If all he does is read and research, then have him invent or discover something that matters.
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>>139681949
well, toriyama doesn't have to draw it anymore for starters.
two, he said he didn't know what a female super saiyan would look like. (this most likely refers to the way he draws the body and face, looking much bulkier and angular. Toriyama draws his women very soft and their features very round)
But now we've had dozens of female super saiyan designs, thanks to DBO, DBXenoverse, and DBHeroes.
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>>139660382

Fucking hell dude. Is Super Sayain Blue going to be the 2nd quickest a transformation is retired? First is obviously Trunks' retard "yes I lift" shit vs. Cell.
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>>139682432
What about Red? That seems like a 1 shot deal.
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>>139682490

Ah fuck, you're right. I'm not liking these rainbow transformations, man. Cell saga did the Super Sayain shit the best, even if it was the beginning of the end of anybody but Sayains being relevant.
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>>139682525
they started going full retard with super saiyan 3
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>>139682432
Not exactly
Toriyama said the color would clash with a villain
which means until that villain is defeated, we won't see it.
and so far, it looks like the villain hasn't even been introduced (odds are, it's whoever hired Hit)
So I'd say we'll get a good 20 more eps before we see white haired saiyan. It will most likely be the "final" transformation.
Technically, Super Saiyan God was the shortest. It was used by one person, for one fight, then replaced by Super Saiyan Blue
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>>139682569

>So I'd say we'll get a good 20 more eps before we see white haired saiyan.

Has the series been confirmed to run that long? I'm pretty happy if that ends up being the case. I was under the impression that this tournament was the last arc, tbhwy.

>>139682560

I thought 3 was OK, if only for the fact it had huge drawbacks (Large power consumption and long time to complete the transformation). It looked stupid as all hell, though.
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>>139682640
originally they said 100 episodes
I think they eventually said that it was 50 for sure, with a possible extra 50.
Based on the pacing, I'd say definitely over 50
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>>139682569
Super Saiyan God was ugly as fuck so I'm glad we won't see it again.
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>>139682382
This exactly.
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>>139683104
I have bad news.
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>>139662772
I'm now imagining a scene where somebody tries to suggest to Goku to regrow his tail to gain strength to defeat the baddie, but then he just says "Nah, that's stupid" and does another God form.
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>>139683132
is that cabbage
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>>139683182
Nope.
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>>139683196
is that from db heroes
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>>139683231
Yes.
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>>139683252
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>>139683252
>>>/trash/
it's not gonna be in db super. human turning into a saiyan... vegetable would kill him.
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>>139660860
GO GO GO
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>>139683302
>it's not gonna be in db super
But Towa and Mira will. Trunks is coming back.
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>>139683302
>human
those are saiyans
can you not see the tail?
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>>139683302
>Human
>With a tail
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>>139683269
3>2>1
captcha:321
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>>139683334
>>139683357

Beat, the red god saiyan he was posting, is the main character from db heroes who uses the game machine to turn into a saiyan.

stupids.

>>139683323
>Trunks is coming back.
doubt it.
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>>139683357
>filename
kek
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>>139683365
Recent interview.
>Toyotaro: I've read the plot for the new story, and I'm really happy a certain future-related character is going to be involved. I'm a huge fan!
>Toriyama: That's a pretty popular character! Hopefully the kids will be happy.

Also, this.
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>>139683365
That is still clearly a Saiyan though.
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>>139683419
it's gonna be future gohan since he is a badass and future trunks is a faggot.

no it will be trunks. damn it.

>>139683446
here you daft cunt http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Beat
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>>139683487
As much as I like Future Gohan, I don't wanna see him come back, because Toriyama will probably ruin him.
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>>139683487
Speculation, and provably wrong. Trunks is more popular than Future Gohan. Towa and Mira will be the new antagonists, based on the white hair comment. Time Patrol arc is happening.

Which means Heroes is "canon." As is Xenoverse/Online. And DBGT. They're all alternate timelines. Get ready for 50 million Gohans.
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>>139683596
>GT
NO FUCK OFF THEY WOULDN'T BE THIS STUPID
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>>139683596
>Get ready for 50 million Gohans.
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>>139683623
GT is the timeline where Beerus got his pudding.
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>>139683637
>the next gohan
He's the best Gohan.
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>>139683487
Yeah but he's clearly a Saiyan.
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>>139683637
>Can't even make a shota Gohan.

That game could have been so much more.
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>>139683656
if dbs is for kids they're not going to push alternate timelines.

it's already unrealistic enough that they expect kids to understand alternate universes.
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>>139683637
>That Gohan looking like Goku
>son ghoan
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>>139683764
Super already has Alternate Universes. Alternate Timelines is the same deal. Future Trunks being popular should tell you they can take that concept.
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>>139683487
Beat is a human playing a GAME (granted, one that uses sophisticated time travel to "experience" past events) and his avatar is a saiyan
it's not HIM that can transform. It's only his game character.
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Piccolo falls in love with Vegeta.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Saiyan Prince's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when Ma Jr. recounts the previous day's confessions to Vegita, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the Saiyan he called is not the same Saiyan he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is Bejita's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with Piccolo's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the DAILY DOSE.
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>>139684276
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>>139684276
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>>139684276
I prefer the story with Cell and four of his Cell Jrs gangbanging Vegeta.
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>>139678496
>>Pan
not bad
>>First part where they had to find the dballs across the universe
was comfy and reminded us of first dragon ball
>>All side characters getting less screen time
just like in super
>>Underwhelming villains
baby and the dragons where ok
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>>139683802
>>son ghoan
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>>139663768
Tao part is my favorite to date, the writing was perfect
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>>139683596
Trunks and Goten time cops when?
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>>139669354
Fuck. Toyataro knew.
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>>139682525
>I'm not liking these rainbow transformations
That is the essence of Akira Toriyama.
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not this hitto again
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>>139657846

Vegeta did not train with Trunks.
They had 0 interactions with one another.

Meanwhile Goku spent all time with Gohan.

This time Goku and Vegeta were together.
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>>139663477
Vegeta never "mastered" Super Saiyan 2.
He just got really fucking mad that beerus slapped the shit out of his wife. It wasn't a technique.
It wasn't due to training.
Vegeta was just really, really mad.
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>>139664182
I've always liked this design. It looks like what a max level saiyan should look like.
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Will Future Trunks save Super?
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I'm kinda disappointed that out of 5 enemies,4 were pretty much Piccolo/Buu level and the only one (probabily) stronger than Goku and Vegeta is Coldsteel V2
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>>139695310
I'd actually like to see how Future Trunks deals with Buu coming to the future. He's not really that strong and everyone is dead. Even if he wishes Gohan back its not like he'll make much of a difference unless Goku taught him super saiyan 2 and 3 in the otherworld.
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>>139696903
>both arms

somebody fugged up
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>>139697631
He was revived at this point i believe.
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>>139654107
Is that Freiza's penis?
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>>139697740
According to whom?
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>>139662345
She was a cameo in the end of the buu saga.

She worked as a milk delivery woman.

So we probably wont see her unless they do another cameo with a ton of the minor dragon ball characters like snow
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>>139697936
It was in a PSP game about Trunks dealing with Buu in his universe.
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>>139696797
cabbage was cool even though he was completely outclassed.
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>>139698054
So noncanon.
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>>139697936
Shin Budokai: Another Road. Story was pretty much the future timeline dealing with Buu and movie villains. It was a pretty cool idea, and had Future Gohan going SSJ2 and Mystic.
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>>139698110
Well, yes, that's why he was talking hypothetically.
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>>139698161
Sounds cool. Too bad I never got a PSP.
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>>139696903
Babadi went to Earth when Trunks was 8, which was long before he went back in time. Kaioshin (or maybe Gohan or the Androids) must have killed him. Dabura was the only one too strong for them, and he might have left the Earth alone after he was freed from the mid control.
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>>139658398
imo He can't fight he's is just immortal.
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Will we ever get to see Launch again?
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>>139696797
I'm still hanging on to the hope that the tournament is gonna get interrupted or something and then the REAL story arc can begin with Hit revealing his true power level and turning on notBeerus/notWhis or Beerus/notBeerus just say "fuck it" and straight up brawl with each other for the super dragonballs.
I forgot, why are they having this tournament again? Is it to see who gets custody of Earth and/or all the "delicious foods"?
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>>139697740
>two arms
Seriously, it'd be cooler if he developed a one-armed form of combat.
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>>139700095
>Is it to see who gets custody of Earth and/or all the "delicious foods"?

yes
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>>139700095
I suspected all along that Hit had some ulterior motive.
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>>139700095
Champa has bet the 6 Super Dragon Balls he has for Beerus' Earth.
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38 - The martial arts tournament between Universe 6 and Universe 7 with Earth on the line. Vegeta's last opponent is Hit, the strongest man of Universe 6. Vegeta, watching Hit's eerily calm demeanor, is quite sure he's strong. Hit is an assassin proud to have the greatest skill of Universe 6.

39

Version 1:

"The counterattack of the developed "Tokitobashi" (Time Skipping?)!?
Will it appear!? Goku's new technique!"

Vegeta challenges Hit using Super Saiyajin Blue but Hit's technique, "Tokitobashi", deals a barrage of hits in his vital points and makes him faint. Son Goku is able to guess how Hit's "Tokitobashi" works and thus, while in Super Saiyajin Blue state, he also challenges Hit.

Version 2:

"The growing Hit, Goku at his peak" (Provisional)

Hit can skip time but only for 0.1 seconds. Estimating past those 0.1 seconds, Goku defeated the "Tokitobashi". But, Hit continues to grow (stronger?) while in battle. So, Goku breaks the seal of the Kaiouken and shoots a Kamehame Ha!

40 "Conclusion" (Provisional) - The martial arts tournament againts Universe 6 that wages on Earth has finally come to a close. In an outburst of anger, Champa wants to destroy his defeated contestants. Cabba and the others are frozen in fear. At that time, the one who appeared on the ring is...
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>>139701257
I'll take bullshit for 500, alex
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>>139701257
fake and gay
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>>139701473
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30157&start=14880#p1070779

Call it all you want, senpai
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>>139701576
The "breaking the seal of the kaioken" tipped me off. Goku hasn't used the Kaioken since Namek, why all of a sudden would it be relevant again? I'd imagine we'd sooner see the nyoibo or kintoun become relevant again before the kaioken makes a return.
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>>139701760
What the fuck is a nyoibo?
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>>139701835
power pole you disgusting normalfaggot.
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>>139701760
The Makankosappo, Galick Gun and Final Flash all came back even though they hadn't been used since their introductions. Super cares more about making nostalgic references than making sense.
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>>139701865
>if you dont watch a show like I watch a show then you're a NORMIE
Ok autismo.
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>>139701760
Yeah, I'd be raising a big fucking eyebrow if it weren't for these having the same kind of source as all of the previously "leaked" episode titles that turned out to be accurate.

What's odd is the implication of there being a "seal". The fuck?
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>>139701980
Going kaioken while super saiyan
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>>139701899
That is true. I guess when you put it like that it makes sense. Still, I'd rather Toriyama return Goku to more of his Sun Wukong roots, especially with the potential of him and Vegeta becoming gods. I would like to see the kaioken again, I've missed it.

>>139701980
Yeah, the seal bit threw me off. I can't remember if they ever mentioned in the manga that going kaioken while SSJ was a bad idea or if that was just anime filler. Maybe "breaking the seal" could simply mean taking it out of retirement?
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>>139701951
>Ok autismo.
no you're a normie because you don't know the romanji terms for things. what you asked is like asking "what the fuck is an SSJ?"

>>139701980
>>What's odd is the implication of there being a "seal".
before you could never use kaioken while using another transformation. if that (still calling bullshit) turns out to be true then Goku will become red and blue.
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>>139702116
SSJ Purp confirmed
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Can we all agree that even though Kaiou is the correct romanization that Kaio is a whole lot less awkward to read and write? English isn't meant to have that many different vowels in a row. No one wants to read Kaioushin or Kaiouken.
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>>139702116
I don't think romanji has anything to do with it.

The only thing that makes him (relatively) more of a normalfag than you in this instance is his lack of familiarity with terminology from more a more niche version of the series.
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>>139702025
>>139701980
>>139702116
>>139702205
nevermind i was wrong anime says you can do it
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Kaio-ken
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>>139702310
That was filler though
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>>139702205
if it doesn't look similar to this, toriyama is a bitch nigga
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>>139702266
>more niche version of the series
>the manga

If you haven't read the manga you shouldn't be in Dragon Ball threads. Viz didn't even translate Nyoi-bo, you have no excuse.

Also it's "Romaji" by the way. Or "Roumaji" if you want to be a correct faggot.
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>>139702418
>That was filler though
manga never said you couldn't do it though.
just no one ever did.

it's either super cyan 2 or super cyan KAI-O-KEN.

personally i want to see SSJ purple more than super cyan 2.
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>>139702483
Yes, the manga's more niche. In the English speaking world, most normies are familiar with the Funimation dub from Toonami. Anything that isn't in that dub is going to be relatively niche.
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>>139702483
Yes, deal with it. As far as Dragon Ball as a whole goes (Not just japan retard) the manga is easily the more niche version. Most people have only watched the dub of the anime of their countries (And I don't blame them, Jap DBZ is worse thing ever) and have no reason to read the manga because it's a fighting manga with no motion like the anime. The manga is the niche version. Most people just know the anime.
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>>139702591
>Jap DBZ is worse thing ever
normie as fuck
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>>139702591
>>139702581
even if that guy wasn't a normalfaggot, he's still a faggot for being unable to google nyoibo and find his answer in literally 2 fucking seconds.

>Jap DBZ is worse thing ever
you have shit taste
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>>139702508
Yeah, I know it was basically forgotten about in the manga and only ever shown combined with SSJ in anime filler. That was my point, it's entirely possible it could be brought back.

>>139702581
>>139702591
You're on a mongolian cryptography enthusiasts' rathaus, you better learn to start expecting niche things to be brought up or go back to wherever you came from.

>Jap DBZ is worse thing ever
Go and stay go.
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>>139702716
I agree

>incoming sub vs dub battle
>mfw
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>>139702651
>>139702716
>>139702752
Funimation's dub was terrible but you shouldn't defend Toei's abysmal anime. It was awful long before Funimation shat over it.
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>>139656304
Did they say hes too fast. I always thought it could be some teleporting his attacks or maybe instant transmission attacks. Considering how fast Goku and Vegeta are it seems kind of impossible hes that fast.
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>>139702932
the preview for the next episode in the last one said he's too fast to see his attacks.
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>>139674058
Baby was actually okay.
Shenron was a cool idea on paper (actual drawback for the Dragon Balls) but executed badly.
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are they fighting on the seventh super dragonball covered in rock?
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>>139696903
There was a PSP game about that, actually He went back in time again and grabbed the main characters from the post-Buu saga to help
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>>139656541
Goku beats Hit by using KaioKen x SSB

Hit can move reverse time by .01 seconds and uses pressure point attacks
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>>139668152
where's the left from?
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>>139664999
I like this.
I like this a lot.
Also, the two Trunks fuse.
Just for funsies.
Breaking space.
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>>139698323
Babidi came trying to find people to steal energy from. With most people killed by the Androids, Goku, Vegeta, etc included, there's barely anyone worthwhile so he likely just skipped Earth.
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>>139705853
Babadi went to Earth because that's where Buu was.
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>>139706220
The ball thing was on his ship.
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>>139706520
Read the manga and stop posting bullshit
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>>139706593
Shit there are good scans for beyond the Saiyan saga now?
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>>139706520
>>139706593
You don't need to read the manga to know that.
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>>139701473
>>139701574

Bro, those are TV listing
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>>139706728
https://bakabt.me/details.php?id=173878&page=1

Most of it is good. Just Cell and Kid Buu are still bad.
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>>139706844
You should still read the manga
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Inb4 Goku gets his ass whipped and we get our first canon Gogeta
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>>139707528
>Potara earrings in the fucking audience
>Dragonballs can reverse that
>the infinitely more powerful Balls are the prize of tournament


pottery