How much value do you put into visual direction?

fairy tail > your shit

I like it when it's combined with interesting characters and a good story which isn't the case in Anthem of the heart.

>>139653900
is that image supposed to be visually impressive? it's bland and uninteresting

>>139653900
Fuck off retard

>>139653900
It's shit, just paste manga panels, use stills and speedlines for action sequences, cheap lipsync is the only thing that needs to be animated.

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It matters to me when it's supplemental to the story at hand and doesn't account for the entirety of a show's substance.

When visual direction is striking because of how it meshes with a story/narrative/setting rather than just being distinct in its own right, I think it makes a world of difference. Flash without substance may be impressive from a technical standpoint, but it loses all value for me as a viewer if it doesn't compliment something greater.

>>139654501
Why is narrative substance?

>>139654501
The only good thing about Kaiba was the visuals though.

>>139654501
The goal of good visual direction is that it DOES complement the narrative.

None. I'm blind.

>>139656222
That's just it, I'd argue that solely narrative without other complimentary elements lacks substance as well. It's the combination of clear direction in writing and in visuals that turns a show from a conglomeration of ideas into something truly communicative in the medium.

>>139656438
I'd disagree. It may have faltered a bit on the end stretch, but there was certainly a very solid meshing of imagery and narrative concepts throughout the series.

>>139657368
Exactly. The problem is that many people equate good visuals with good visual direction, when that most certainly isn't the case.

>>139653900
That's a pretty shit grid for the movie and doesn't do it justice at all. They're all basically the same shot except the middle right.

>>139653900
I don't care how pretty this looks, Okada can't be trusted

>>139658026
I'm going to watch this when I get home because of that grid, actually. Shot composition isn't everything.

>>139653900
Most anime fans care about it a lot, seeing as how that's the only good thing about Eva, which is like, one of the most popular anime ever.

Considering most anime is animated like shit, I put quite a lot of value in it

Anime with plain or very similar looking locations bore me very fast. Samurai Champloo was a good example, there were no unique locations because it tried way too hard to be historical in that respect. Made half the episodes completely unmemorable on its own, without considering the bad writing and shit characters

>>139658076
The movie was good.

>>139658123
>only

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>>139658076
It was actually a really touching film. The only thing I didn't like was the romantic pairing bullshit. It felt like Okada swapped the pairs just to try to not be cliche.

>>139658122
It is when making one of these "visual direction" grids. You can't convey animation in these so you need to show off a good variety of shot composition and colors to make it look nice. If it's just the same shit in each image it will look bland, like the OP's.

Here's a far less bland one.

>tfw no good kino this season

>>139658261
You're right, the soundtrack was pretty rad too.

>this thread again
yikes

someone post the disappearance one

>>139658273
I'm going to watch Anthem of the Heart tonight, I'll make a better one.

>>139656438
Tasteless pleb detected

>>139658935
lmao I bet you post in 3x3 threads too

>>139659138
>lmao
As expected.

>>139653900
>none of those shots have any real meaning aside from looking pretty

>>139659248
>acronym shaming
lmao

>>139659293
>shaming acronym shaming
I bet you defend recommendations, too.

>>139659256
proofs?

Kaiba was only good when it was episodic.

>>139653900
Good visual direction can save a poorly written show much more quickly than good writing can save a show with completely boring visuals. It's still better to have both.

None.

I'm not a superficial Faggot

>character standing in the middle of a perfectly symmetrical shot in order to represent loneliness or alienation
wow, much depth, such cinematography, plenty of meaning

>>139660192
Examples? I can think of more bad looking well written shows I like than the opposite.

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>>139660239

>>139660192
99% of anime writing is crap anyways, so it might as well look good.

>>139660311
Funny, I can't think of any well written shows period.

>>139660311
TTGL, Madoka, Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy, Zankyou no Terror, Kara no Kyoukai

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>this thread
>prententious bastards left and right

>>139660807
TTGL, Madoka, Eva and Samurai Champloo are all well written to varying degrees, at least in the context of what they tried to achieve. With Space Dandy it's mixed, based on the ep but same goes for the visual direction. Haven't finished Zankyou. I guess you're right with KnK but the visual direction wasn't consistently good.

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Kinonaiver soon.

>>139660311
Like what?

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>>139660990
>TTGL
>Well-written
>at all

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>>139658834
Here's mine. I would definitely like to see your's too.

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Post more grids

>>139661201
Yes, it is. What aspect of it is badly written?

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Character animation > mechanical animation > sakuga > artstyle > symbolism

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>>139660311
The last couple episodes of Escaflowne.

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>>139661357

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>>139661382
And now, we witness the kyoanifag, at it's purist state.

>>139661372
Its not as much as it was badly written as much as it didn't have any writing at all. Its all generic mecha tropes smashed together, high production values and a self-insert MC.
The plot was as generic as it gets and the characters were either completely forgotten or garbage.

Oh look, it's the we post grids with pictures we find pretty without any actual discussion and call it "visual direction" thread again.

>>139661382
Uhm, isn't Character animation and character animation also sakuga?

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>>139661533
Why do you want shitposting?
I'd rather just look at pretty pictures.

>>139661382
how can one post be so wrong

>>139661357
>Actual show never ;_;

>>139661545
Technically, yes. I just wanted to separate good idle character animation from shit like explosions or fight scenes.
Nothing makes me more angry than "high-budget" shows having extremely mediocre character animation.

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Penguindrum had nice visual direction and the "weird" visuals were actually relevant to the story most of the time.

>>139658273
Yeah I felt that way also about the pairs. The sunken pair gets the most development which made the ending feel like a bait and switch.

>>139661880
Utena did it better.

>>139661905
Irrelevant.

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>>139661954
>Irrelevant.
Not really.
Considering Utena is Ikuhara's magnum opus.

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>>139661880
Do you have a grid of 9 and 20?

>>139661663
Well, I think it's because you can still convey emotions of a character with limited animation and pull it off but it's impossible to make action sequences without them coming off as ridiculous without fluid animation.

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>>139661509
Lmao what a crock of shit.

I love 4chan.

Shoutout to /vr/. We out here!

>>139661509
It sets out itself to follow the path of an ancient epic wrapped in a super robot aesthetic as you mentioned. It avoids the classic problem featured in anime writing, being over expository and uses a balanced amount of dialogue, action and visuals to present its narrative. It's thematically coherent and its themes are evident in all the aspects I mentioned as well, making it overall a cosistent package. It achieves this all without the problem of forcing character reactions to serve its thematic purpose and instead has the plot flow naturally and has the characters react in ways that you'd expect them to react based on their personality traits and experience.

>>139661591
>>139661415
>>139661357
>>139661311
Is there some compilator that will put together images like this?

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>>139662185
Yes, it's called photoshop.

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>>139662080
No. I keep the Penguindrum screencaps on another computer.

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>>139662145
That's one long explanation for "its generic but easily followable".
I know its appeal, but in the grand scheme the writing isn't all that great. The execution and direction weren't anything to write home about. Its just a less interesting Getter Robo clone.

>>139662006
But anon just post his opinion of a nice example for this thread. And you just come here and post "no, this is better".
So yes, your opinion was irrelevant.

>>139662234
this looks like shit.
Kare kano is shit anyway

>>139662412
No it wasn't.
My opinion was just as relevant to this thread as his.

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>>139662455
>Kare kano is shit anyway
Bad taste, senpai.

>>139662412
Stop giving retards the attention they crave.

>>139661415
I really hope Marcell Jankovics makes another animated movie before he dies.

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This is why I just never have opinions and am always right. Life must be confusing as a pleb.

>>139662234
>Karekano
>not using episode 19

>>139662618
It's not retarded to think Utena has better visual direction than Penguindrum.
That's just common sense.

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>>139662730

Stating the obvious is a form of retardation.

>>139662730
Nobody said that, though? It's just that your post had no relevance to what he said about Penguindrum.

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We can all agree that Kyoani is the best at visual direction, right?

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>>139662802
>form of retardation
But senpai, it's just a form of self-assertion

>>139662849
Yamada original mahou shoujo when

>>139662849
They can shine a turd, but that is their creative plateau.

>>139662849
K-On is the pinnacle of anime, so yes.

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>>139662824
Think of it as raising one point to a better point.

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>>139662964
Kyoani isn't about plot-driven stories. Their specialty is characters, talented animators and god-tier direction.
They can turn a mediocre manga into the greatest anime of all time.
Pic related, its the best written character of all time.

>>139663111
>They can turn a mediocre manga into the greatest anime of all time.
But they can't turn their shitty LNs into anything but even more shit.

>>139662849
https://u.pomf.is/pvbndp.webm

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>>139663111
>Kyoani isn't about plot-driven stories.
It's a real shame, how the mighty have fallen.

>>139662849
>>139663144

No, and that's a poor example. At least use Hyouka or a Yamada anime. Those scenes aren't anything special at all.

>>139663188
Haruhi's plot was mediocre though.

>>139661509
This individual here clearly doesn't like something he's seen and attempts to impress some sort of "objectivity" claiming the show is bad by throwing around a bunch of buzzwords that don't actually mean anything in the context he's using them because there's absolutely no substance to what he's saying.

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>>139662849
Only Takemoto and Hyouka. Yamada is pretty good but I feel she's overrated.

>>139663144
That was great, and how the first part built up a sense of unease.

>>139663111
K-On is a magnificent peep show and you know it. The songs are the cute, and Yui's characterization and body language are 10/10.

That's all still turd shining. They can really get me to beat my dick. I'll give em that.

To me a KyoAni production means a few things:
>A few really well done moments where body movement is animated fluidly in a way that encourages me to jack off.
>Hot official art
>Character songs and other shit.

The actual shows are almost always intolerable. KnK was a clumbsy shitfest. The fact that you had to go back to K-On to demonstrate them at their artistic level is telling.

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I want to make so many of these, but going through a whole TV series, especially one more than a single cour, takes so long.

>>139663347
K-On!! was better directed than Hyouka.

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Fucking Kiznaiver.

>>139663574
This is gonna be good, the director's KlK eps were the best.

>>139663509
And I say it's not and Yamada is overrated.

>>139663347
Didn't Yamada learn under Takemoto? Or was it another Kyoani director?
There's no doubt that Hyouka is the greatest animated show ever made. Yamada has better character direction though, in my opinion. Takemoto's characters aren't as strong as Yamada's.

>>139663692
She learned under Ishihara.

>>139662404
Nice non-response. Knew ttgl hatefags are not worthy of waisting time on.

>>139663688
I'm sorry about your wrongness.

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>>139660807
We've had this discussion before, Kara no Kyoukai has always been generally regarded as having both clever twists and good writing, that is why the novels got popular in literary communities in the first place before it was even a commercial product.

Anyway, here's a grid, I really liked how the 7th film of the Kara no Kyoukai movies had an opening CG scene that manages to convey that toxic/creepy atmosphere that serves as a huge foreshadowing of the main antagonist in the film.

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>>139663825
>I understand where you are coming from, but the writing itself due to these specific things isn't all that great
>n-nice non-response!
Reminder that Lucky Star not only sold more, but was way more influential than TTGL.
TTGL is just Imaishi's self-insert Getter Robo fanfiction.

>>139663692
It really depends on preference. I prefer Yamada because her direction is better at making characters feel alive.

Anyone have any shows they'd like to see girds of? I can't decide what I want to do next and need inspiration.

>>139664875
Sailor Moon SuperS

>>139663111
>Their specialty is characters, talented animators, and god-tier direction
Shame that most of the time they only possess one of the three you listed.

>They can turn a mediocre manga into the greatest anime of all time
Or they can turn a shitty LN into a shitty anime, which is what they tend to do.

>>139664875
More Utena grids

>>139653900
It's pretty important, but Anthem of the Heart has pretty messy writing, and the animation, even when in 2D, looks artificial and lifeless, like a robot animated it.

Also they are so lazy they can't draw a fucking egg so don't give me that visual direction shit.

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>>139665170
Sorry if it's not up to standard. SuperS is super long (haha) so I didn't really go through each ep looking for good shots like I normally do.

>>139665809
>>>/v/

>>139666778
where to find seeded torrents for the bds of the older series?

>>139666778
Still pretty good, thanks anon.

>>139666934
I don't think there are BDs of the older series. I just have SMC's DVDs.

>>139666783
I've literally never gone on /v/ nor have I played a video game properly in half a decade. Disliking KyoAni isn't a /v/ exclusive trait you tasteless retard.

>>139667118
nice damage control /v/

>>139667118
>Disliking KyoAni isn't a /v/ exclusive trait
It is.

>>139660807
All of those that I liked I would consider to have good writing.

>>139661039
Goofy stuff like Samurai Flamenco, Symphogear. Some cute shows, like Ichigo Mashimaro. When I say "bad looking" I more mean "nothing special" in terms of looking good. I think most anime looks just fine.

>>139663493
Just do single episodes. Whole shows typically aren't directed and storyboarded by one guy anyways.

>>139667376
>>139667243
Fuck off to ANN. I'm sorry /a/ isn't the hugbox you want it to be.

>>139667417
>All of those that I liked I would consider to have good writing.
Please defend ZnT for me.

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>>139667569
That's the best part about doing a whole series. You can show off the talents of all these different people that worked on it, and 1 episode is generally not enough to fill a sizeable grid with good stuff.

>>139668539
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/terror-in-resonance/bd-dvd-the-complete-series/.99579

>inb4 hurr durr ANN
Read the fucking review.

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>>139668694
>ANN

>>139668539
Yeah, I said "all of those that I liked" - I didn't like Terror.

>>139667636
>hugbox
my bad, looks like you should fuck off back to >>>/reddit/ instead

>>139668651
I'd disagree cause 15 images can't convey a whole show. One episode is totally good enough, if the show has the kino to back it.

>>139668651
Is Star Driver the best directed mecha in the last 6 years?

>>139668920
I've heard good things about G-Reco but people who actually watch Gundam will probably yell at me.

>>139668920
I'm too angry over the ending to agree with you.

>>139668964
G-Reco is fun to watch if you like hilariously outdated directing

>>139669086
What do you mean by outdated?

>>139668737
Oh, my bad.

>>139668694
Thanks for the review. Minus some themes I didn't think much about and the fact that he's much more lenient about the plot than I was, his opinion's fairly close to mine.

>>139669115
You'll understand when you watch it.

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>>139668964
G-Reco has to be one of, if not, the most beautiful Gundam's to date. Only OVA's like Thunderbolt beat it in terms of animation and visuals.

>>139669241
I just don't see how that kinda thing can get outdated, but whatever.

>>139669330
Yeah, that's the kind of thing I've heard about it. Polarizing among fans though, like all Gundam it seems. I dunno. I'll watch Gundam one day. Not today though.

>>139669474
>I just don't see how that kinda thing can get outdated, but whatever.
Soon you will see.

>>139669474
It's easy, go watch any movie made before 1940 and it will become evident how directorial techniques can become outdated.

wow, this thread didnt generate a content vs presentation debate

havent seen that shitstorm in a while

>>139654501
fuck off with this [adult swim] shit

>>139669474
Tomino still directs the same way he did in the 80's so some people see that as "outdated". The battles in G-Reco really give off the feel of the original Gundam trilogy.

Personally, I like it. The way he directs battles is somehow very engaging and interesting. It has something that most other mecha directors lack.

>>139669634
I've seen a few, they didn't come off as outdated to me. Hell, better than most today.

>>139669330
Should've showed the laser-spouting Illuminati

>>139669728
Yeah, I think there's plenty of appeal in that. Stuff that was common back then can come off strikingly auteur under a new coat of paint.

>>139669660
these threads only ever go in a handful of directions, this time it's yelling about Kyoani

>>139670386
>this time

>>139670682
are you implying that people weren't yelling about Kyoani in this thread?

>>139670709
It happens in almost all of these threads.

>>139670785
yeah, I said only a handful of directions

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Phantom World has the best visual direction of the year so far.

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>>139663692
>There's no doubt that Hyouka is the greatest animated show ever made.

>>139653900
A lot. Anime is a visual audio medium. If the visuals are boring, then already 50% of what the work has to offer is garbage.

>>139670823
some pretty good episodes but I disagree

>>139670823
Fuck off you kyoani shill.
Phantom World had no compelling visual symbolism, and that's probably due to the lack of legitimately writing.

>>139670962
>being this asshurt over KyoAni domination.

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Why are KyoAnus lickers so cancerous?

https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/how%20much%20value%20do%20you%20put%20into%20visual%20direction/type/op/

>>139670823
I think Rakugo has the best direction so far, but 3-4, 7, 10, and 12 were great.

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>>139671001
>hates on kyoani
>posts a picture of the best girl to come out of that studio
you just played yourself

>>139671001
Speaking of, Shirobako had pretty mediocre visual direction.

>>139671140
Still an amazing show.

>>139671001
Studiolickers are annoying, as are the people who whine about them. Just ignore it, jeez.

>>139671140
That holds true for almost every PA Works anime because they don't have good directors.

>>139671212
>Just ignore it, jeez.
How bout stop making the exact same thread every few days just to jerk off your mediocre studio

>>139671244
I would say Mizushima is good, as was whoever did Uchouten Kazoku. I dunno if they belong to the studio though.

>>139671279
oh no there's a thread I don't like oh no whatever will I do heaven forbid I ignore it

>>139671279
>a-1
>mediocre

plotfags go die

>>139671326
Talking about KyoAni

>>139671350
You don't like stories?

>>139671379
>godani
>mediocre

>>139671427
Correct.

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kino of the season incoming

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>>139671350
This.
>2016
>unironically being a plotfag

>>139671463
pretty stoked for this

>>139671458
Glad you agree that those are separate things.

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space dandy had some fun with it

>>139671535
>some
pretty sure no show has ever had more fun with it

>>139671463
Best visual direction of the season, already confirmed and I'm not even from the future.

Anyone have Kobayashi's Kill la Kill grids?

>>139671463
I don't know about visual direction, but I'm expecting this to be a very entertaining edgy, fedora-tier trainwreck.
Can't wait.

>>139658403
>>139660995
>>139668801
>>139671463
>kino
Please return to your board, /tv/.

>>139671638
what?

>>139671628
That'd be Mayoiga. Kiznaiver barely has any trainwreck vibes.

>>139671708
The synopsis and the fact its Okada make me skeptical. I'm not expecting anything legitimately decent out of the series, but hey if its good it will be a pleasant surprise.

what other stuff are you guys looking forward to this year? besides movies I'm stoked for Battery and Flip Floppers

>>139672015
>>>/wsr/

>>139671669
Kino's Journey officially moved to /tv/ after the hollywood movie came out.

>>139671759
It will probably look good but be the usual Okada fluff. That said, Kokosake was decent.

>>139672015
New Game!, Flip floppers, everything made by Kyoani.

>>139672101
New Game has lovely character designs, and it's by the guy who did Mikakunin, right? I like his work

It's FlipFlappers or are you guys making fun of the fact that it will inevitably flop?

>>139672015
3gatsu, 91 Days, Amanchu, Battery, Cheer Danshi, Flip Flappers, Fune wo Amu, Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku, Mahoutsukai no Yome, New Game, Orange, Yuri on Ice, some movies, anything by KyoAni.

>>139672198
no I honestly make that mistake all the time, I keep forgetting the title because it's so silly

>>139672246
are you a fujo or you have ulterior motives for watching Cheer Boys?
>Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku
god Madoka what the hell have you done to the genre, this sounds outrageous

>>139672015
More Kizu and 3gatsu. I wonder what Shinbo's storyboards and overall direction will be now that he should actually be creating content.

Also interested to see how Yamada will handle Koe no Katachi.

Haikyuu S3 should be pretty awesome. I.G. have done a stellar job with it so far.

Other than that, Amanchu, Flip Flappers, Mahoutsukai no Yome, and New Game off the top of my head.

>>139672408
Crazy to see Shinbo back in action after, what, 12 years?

>>139672466
>>139672408
Doesn't he supposedly still storyboard a few episodes of Shaft shows under pseudonyms? There are a few names that don't match to anyone.

>>139672586
>under pseudonyms
This is news to me. He's done storyboards there but still, I believe it's been quite some time since he was last officially credited.

>>139671308
>as was whoever did Uchouten Kazoku
Masayuki Yoshihara. And yeah, he belongs to PA Works. Hopefully we'll see a new show from him soon, he hasn't done much since.

>this thread
fedora intensifies

>>139673923
He's wasted at PA Works

>>139674181
Why?

>>139674340
Because he's better than all of them.

>>139674618
In what sense? You didn't like Uchouten Kazoku?

>>139674653
I liked it. His style just doesn't fit with the studio though, and he's probably doomed for flops there.

What was /a/'s opinions on Ping Pong's visuals?

I thought it was very strange and I want to say bad, but I kind of liked it.

>>139674762
Most studios don't really have a house style though, and it seems like they let him do his thing just fine. You say doomed for flops, but is that because of the studio? Or the show? I feel like that kinda thing wouldn't sell too highly anywhere. Not that I know how well it sold, I'm just assuming it didn't based on how you're talking. PA Works seems like one of the places that actually can push units, and they've been experimenting with Kickstarter lately. Trying out new methods of financial gain is a good thing, I think.

>>139674884
I think it's a beautiful show. I watched it pretty used to that kinda art though, so I can understand how it'd be off putting for some. Check out some of Yuasa's other works if you haven't, cause they're all pretty fucking cool looking too.

>>139674884
9/10 they were bad

>>139653900
>watched this before going to sleep
>expecting a comfy movie to help me sleep better
>can't sleep because of the butthurt over the pairing

Okada is a hack

>>139675499
Nah you're just a sperg

>>139675499
Don't blame the writer for your own obsession with pairings.

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>>139662080
It's pretty easy to make these with ffmpeg and imagemagick.

>>139674985
> they've been experimenting with Kickstarter lately.
They have? What with?

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>>139676143

>>139676143
>>139676208
Based

>>139676186
Mayoiga, after having already been completed (I'm pretty sure) was "kickstarted" as a sort of alternative to buying the BDs. That was the impression I got, at least. Most of my knowledge is second hand so I don't know too much about it, but it's the first time that kinda thing has been done that I can think of.

>>139676328
Mayoiga isn't by PA Works.

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>>139674884
Unconventional artstyle. But Yuasa literally just adapted the manga's style into the anime.
But it looked amazing, very good visual storytelling.

>>139663574
isn't usual? Ufotable did a lot of these things in their fate adaptation.

>>139676433
lol oops, I coulda sworn I'd heard it from someone but I probably just associated Mizushima with them, thanks for the correction

>>139674884
Strong conceptually, but pretty rough. Yuasa made it work, but you can tell the production was rushed as hell.

>>139676604
>lol
Kill yourself.

>>139677229
lol

>>139677141
Do you have examples? I never really noticed any production fuckups.