Japan is still so hurt about the Nuclear Bomb America dropped

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>>139644129
He did nothing wrong

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but muh heavy object is better than your shitty nuke

>>139645247
its F22 you fuck

>>139644885
Rau was right

Nothing comes close to Americans and 911 though. It's like a national holiday over a few thousand fags and a shitty building.

>>>/pol/

>Pain's Bijuu
You mean his Shinra Tensei, where he effectively nuked the entire village?

>>139645390
No as in he planned to use Bijuu as a Damocles like thing to shoot out tailed beast bomb to warring villages.

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>>139644129
I kinda have to agree, peace achieved by overpowering others isn't real peace; people will always be salty, some will always disagree and be unhappy, there will always be a wedge between the peoples.
It wasn't peace achieved through mutual trust and understanding but one through baring down on one from a higher pedestal.
Take the middle east and Muhammad for example, "Religion of peace" and the "hero" that brought peace to the peoples of Islam; the guy achieved "peace" through war, slavery and genocide. Is killing all who oppose you until only you and like minded people are left, making peace? I don't think so, and after what united them was gone everything fell to shambles and violence and war broke out.
Peace through power is a patchwork at best, while it does the job it's just a temporary remedy to a permanent problem

>>139644129
It's subjugation, not peace.

>>139645553
>peace achieved through mutual trust and understanding
I doubt it ever happened between countries at war.

>>139645553

In the end, real peace is achieved easily by killing a single common enemy: Lelouch, Madara, Rau.

And America is still butthurt about Pearl Harbor.

>>139644129
It certainly had a profound effect on their culture. 200 thousand people dying in the blink of an eye, Japan can't just ignore that.

>>139645553
Decades of watching anime should have taught you that peace cannot be achieved at all regardless of the means.
Who am I kidding though, you only watch SoLs

>>139645743
Yes, but if there was trust and understanding they wouldn't be at war to begin with.
>>139645820
Nothing helps form friendships better than a common enemy, true.
>>139645824
All those american twitter posts talking about payback and how glad they were during the recent Japanese quake years ago was both funny and sad

>>139645310
And a hundred times more people die from obesity every year.

>People still talk about one of the most important events in modern history
Woah....chilling stuff....

>>139644129
They got
>to keep their emperor
>less casualties than a land invasion or blockade
>their entire infrastructure rebuilt by America
>economic and military support

>>139646013
Yeah. Compared to Germany, Japan was kinda let off the hook.

Usa still buthurt about vietnam, 11-S
Spain still buthurt about his civil war
Mexican about buthurt for the colonization
Ireland still buthurt about north ireland
England still buthurt about ,something happen in pakistan before they found new pakistan in UK?
All countries has his shits

Japan didn't have to face warcrime charges because they got ass rapes by two nukes and an unholy firebombing of Tokyo. Not to mention we forced the proud warrior people to emasculate themselves. No wonder they're failing at sustaining a population.

>>139644129
Woah you found that by yourself ? It's not like Nausicaa made it too tens of years ago either

>>139647581
Actually, the reason the Tokyo Trials were so brief and shallow was because the US wanted to keep to Soviets and the Chinese communists out. Pragmatism, not pity or remorse, left us that legacy.

>>139645553
That's why it's called unconditional surrender.
It's not a peace treaty. It was a please don't fuck us anymore treaty (desu, the jpn nation back then deserved to be fcked over for that crazy war). Of course the Japanese would be salty.

>>139644129
America is still butt hurt about pearl harbor.

>>139645824
>saw the japs coming in advance
>still lost

The nukes were uses cause the american troops are garbage.

>>139647901
Sorry, I don't watch Ghibli.

>>139645553
>Is killing all who oppose you until only you and like minded people are left, making peace?

Well yeah, it's the same concept as killing all the unhappy people so that the only people left are the happy ones.

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>>139648296

Not really. FDR let that happen. America will always hate its own government more than any other nation. That's something you foreigners should understand about us when our government does something to piss you off. Rest assured, we'll be overthrowing it again when it gets out of hand.

>>139648374
Agreed

>>139646013
Don't forget unit 731 was never tried for war crimes because it was actually useful research and the US didn't want Russia to have it.

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>>139645936

>>139644129
Bombs in general should piss the Japs off. Firebombing alone is responsible for far more civilians casualties, destruction of property, and countless resources than the two atomic bombs dreams of causing. I noticed that people who constantly complain about nuclear weapons, rarely have anything negative (or even trying to justify it) to say about conventional bombs and drones, as if those weapons aren't just as dangerous and destructive to human lives.

>>139648374
Lol. Ok.

You're probably some Jody from a shit tier country whose military is minuscule compared to the US.

War and power is always been a technological race. The US won that one. And continues to do so. So basically what I'm saying is go fucking lull yourself faggot

>>139645310
Agreed. A few thousand die & it's okay to kill tens of thousands in retaliation?

>>139645553
peace when you overpowering bad people..thats goods.your logic is flawed

>Japan still butthurt about the atomic bomb
>No anime about the nanking massacre or that lab about human experimentation

They're right about the "no real peace" shit though. But that's because there can never be any real peace. Think about what peace means: no conflict, nobody getting hurt.
We need to have conflict. It's not just because we are animals, it's the best way to advance civilization(s).

>>139651414
>muh understanding
>muh peace
liberalism is a mental illness

>>139651414
>But that's because there can never be any real peace. Think about what peace means: no conflict, nobody getting hurt.
>We need to have conflict. It's not just because we are animals, it's the best way to advance civilization(s).

I agree, but that might not be the best way to put it.

Maybe it could be said that the only way to achieve peace would be to give up everything that makes us human.

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>>139644129
>They claim that it is not real 'peace'. Do you agree?

No. In six-thousand plus years of history, no one has ever come up with another method of peace, let along one that might work better.

>>139645247
>but muh heavy object is better than your shitty nuke

Casaba-Howitzer, my nigger. Blow that object away with a blazing incandescent lance of atomic starfire!

>all these weebs shitting on america
>Same time forgetting that americans formed and molded Japanese gorverment which we know today.

Also nukes will guarantee peace forever. Everyone is too pussy to use them except some rogue states which would be instantly stomped on.

Its like killing thousands has a bad effect on your popularity in a democratic government

>>139644129
>They claim that it is not real 'peace'.
It really is not, all of the world war peace treaties are filled with ill will.

>>139652698
But it works. There hasn't been a global war in 7 decades

>>139652749
Yeah, since they, amazingly enough, did learn from the treaties after WW1.

>>139652749
It came close many times. And there was even fear of nuclear war during the cuban missile crisis.

>>139652836
But you see, nothing actually happened.

The idea of creating a weapon so fearsome that it would make war unthinkable was what led Hiram Maxim to create the machine gun, and while it didn't quite work out with his invention, the arrival of nuclear weapons finally demonstrated that his theory was correct.

Problem is now we live in a world where we're unwilling to use them, so new threats trickle in like rats.

Nukes in the 40's isn't the same as nukes now.
If a nuclear launch ever happens anytime in our lifetimes we'll be able to see what really happens when literally everyone can shoot a nuke compared to when only a handful of people could.

>>139645310
Most people stopped giving a shit about it ages ago

>>139654348
Man the korean, vietnam, iran-iraq wars, various african and slav genocides, desert storm, iraq again, palestine-israel conflict, fucking communist china, were all extremely peaceful events.
War was unthinkable after 1945, apart from the wars.

>>139648374
Nukes were used because a land invasion of Japan itself would've been a fucking nightmare for both sides. Most of Japan's major cities were already bombed to shit before the nukes and they were still refusing to calm the fuck down.

>>139654661
Turns out that cities full of wooden buildings react really badly to being carpet bombed with millions of pounds of incendiaries.

>>139654753
yeah, the Nips were building entire cities out of fucking PAPER.
Sort of asking for it.

>>139644129
>Commit war crime after war crime
>Unit 731, Rape of Nanyang, Kamikazes, etc
>Receive Divine Retribution twice
>Have the gall to be butthurt about it
Should have just invaded that shit, even if it would have resulted in killing batshit civilians left and right.

>>139652624
>americans formed and molded Japanese gorverment which we know today
>gorvement which forces hentai artists to pixelate benises an baginas
>americans are responsible for this
One pearl harbour was not enough.

>>139647260
>kinda
>literally remodel Germany and make sure everyone turns into a self hating fag because of "fixed" education and propaganda
Yeah, Japan essentially won the lottery compared to us.

>Japan is still so hurt about the Nuclear Bomb
Nah, they are cool with it. Compare to US who aer still buthurt about <1000 people ded.

>>139654959
and trigger another depression crippling america.

>>139655569
>a massive continuing war effort and boost in manufacturing would have caused a depression
lol?

>>139645824
/thread

>>139644129
I don't think this has anything to do with the Japanese personally.
Nuclear bombs still are a big thing. Deterrence still is a big thing. So it really shouldn't be surprising that media references this. Think of all the cold war stuff in media.
It really isn't only the Jap one that does it.

>>139654959
Read up on war crimes. Then think about all those unreported war crimes.
Everyone's an asshole, no need to call out just one side (or any side at all)
Just kill yourself, if you can't stand it.

>>139655566
>they are cool with it
M8, they just asked G7 leaders to visit muh Hiroshima again. Keep in mind this is the same government that harps "nanking no real" without American arm twistingto keep their mouths shut.

>>139655804
>nanking no real
Yes and?

Deliberately targeting civilians is a pretty dick move, and it was on such a large scale and ordained by a supposedly civilized nation. It's not like we ever shut up about WWII either.

>>139644129
>Japan is still so hurt about the Nuclear Bomb America dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki:
Are you fucking surprised? America is still arse sore over two fucking planes flying into two jew buildings.

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>>139644129
Every nation that exists long enough to have a tragedy like that makes a mission out of remembering it and making sure everyone remembers. It's the integral part of national identity, also good as a rethorical ammunition when discussing reparations etc.

Also, are we /pol/ now?

>>139648055
>(desu, the jpn nation back then deserved to be fcked over for that crazy war)
Really?
Fucking really?
They deserved hell fire for that, did they?
Jesus, in that case, America is deserving of all the Nukes in Russia.

>>139648946
>Rest assured, we'll be overthrowing it again when it gets out of hand.
No you wont.
You won't ever.
If you actually could, you would have done it with the leaks about the NSA.
Americans are braindead and care more about reality TV than freedom. Don't fucking kid yourself, burger.

>>139655631
That's exactly what happened you redneck.

>>139655426
Especially now with the flood of migrants taking over parts of the country and turning it into Sweden 2.0 with all the rapes and harassment, and the general german population are too cucked and too brainwashed to stand up for themselves

>>139655791
>I don't think this has anything to do with the Japanese personally.
>Nuclear bombs still are a big thing
Sure, but Japan was the only country that the nuclear bomb was used on.
It's not surprising that it's referenced. It's just interesting how it is portrayed in anime.

>>139656299
After the war was over, when we had a massive surge in available labor while curtailing manufacturing after the end of the war. An invasion of gookland would have further increased production and limited labor supply.

this is basic shit

>>139646013
>their entire infrastructure rebuilt by America
America destroyed their fucking infrastructure. That is was the LEAST they could do.
What you also failed to mention was that they also had their government taken over by American politics and their constitution forcibly rewritten. Let's be honest here: America should be wiped off the face of the planet for their crimes over the past 100 years.

>>139656409
>America destroyed their fucking infrastructure
Because of the war they started. Face it, they got off light and was practically babied by us.

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Japan does know when it's appropriate to use nukes.

>>139656632
> was practically babied by us.
Reason why the surrendered to the US instead of waiting till the Russians got them.

Why make something if you're not gonna use it? If anything they should blame Germany for pursuing the invention of it.

>>139656632
America was the one supplying germany with their weapons and ruined japan's economy, they deserved far worse than pearl harbor.

Peace through fear is still peace

>>139652624
>Same time forgetting that americans formed and molded Japanese gorverment which we know today.
And that is good thing how?

>>139656409
>America should be wiped off the face of the planet for their crimes over the past 100 years

Then you wouldn't have a nice Christian board to fap with, you silly goose.

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Well, DaS2 there's a spell called Promised Walk of Peace that heavily slows the caster and all the targets nearby. The description is:

"To stand and glare at one another,
steaming with ire and wrath,
but without making a move.

Such is the nature of peace."

>>139645553
The bombs were a warning to not just Japan but the whole world that things were fuckin changing and war was never going to be the same again. Nuclear weaponry meant so much more than forcing Japan into submission.

>>139657054
People never think of these things.

What if we made a board so vile, so shitty, that any person trying to overpower others with his ideas and worldview would drown in overflowing shitposting, thus achieving a true peace.

Oh, wait.

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>>139656409
Japs are lucky we were so nice to them after the war, would could have just colonized them the way they colonized Korea

>>139657621
Nah. Korea has always been a servant state throughout history. Koreans unconsciously will to be dominated by other nations.

Japs on the other hand said fuck you to China thousand of years ago, went full autist to the West, invaded Korea, became a superpower and beat some Russian ass.
They would either go kamikaze against Burger troops or commit mass sudoku before being colonized.

>>139657606
>true peace
Have you not seen the bloody Chitoge vs Onodera war in Nisekoi?
Haven you not seen the new vs old /a/? reddit vs non-reddit? Naruto vs everyone?

The only true peace can be found in /h/

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>>139657911
>They would either go kamikaze against Burger troops or commit mass sudoku before being colonized.
...

>>139655791
>B-but everyone commits war crimes
Shit man, you're right. I guess there's no point in punishing people, seeking reparations then, or even feeling bad about it.

>>139658020
Toyota cars are just like Nip tanks parading in our streets, then?

baka/10

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>>139649700
>tens of thousand
try millions

>>139657911
>Japan said fuck you to China
In the same way North Korea does to America. They were pathetic. And they're our vassals now.

>>139656742
Nuking Dubai would be totally justified, although the saudi royal family would be better targets.

>>139644129

>Japanese government issued smoothbore muskets and spears to its civilian population

>Japanese government told them and expected them to die before surrendering

>U.S. Casualties in the event of a home islands invasion were estimated at ~1 million, Japanese casualties estimated at ~5-8 million

Okinawa cost 72,000 American lives in 82 days, and several hundred thousand dead Japanese. We did the Japanese people a favor by forcing their government's hand and showing them resistance was no longer plausible.

Blame the Japs for starting a war they could not win, and then refusing to make peace in a civilized manner.

>>139658149
I don't think colonization means what you think it means.

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>>139657940
That's the thing. In the past you could manipulate people to believe whatever you wish them to believe, supress any information that doesn't conform to your view, appeal to local culture's beliefs and presumptions.

Now, with the invention of internet, everyone has an ultimate weapon to shit on everyone else. You can't make someone's waifu a shit without your waifu being called a shit. You can't start a discussion without drowning in autism. It is the final deterrent in the age of information. The Patriots were wrong.

>Have you not seen the bloody Chitoge vs Onodera war in Nisekoi?
>Haven you not seen the new vs old /a/? reddit vs non-reddit? Naruto vs everyone?

>>139658595
Can propaganda ever be as effective as it used to be?

>>139658668
>Can propaganda ever be as effective as it used to be?
Propaganda is more effective than ever, fám. Don't know what you're talking about.

>>139658747
What about on this side of the Internet, the one that doesn't like social media?

>>139658775
could be done pretty easily. Lots of shillbots, official sources and illusion of consensus will make most fall in line.
The shiitier parts of the internet, like 4chan, are known monitored. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actively pushed one direction or another from time to time like Reddit. But at the end of the day, there's not much point to it- who cares what we think?

>>139658353
>vassal
US military is gutless, anon. To force a Jap surrender, they nuked civilians. Enter WW2 front at the end when Soviets already did the job. They lost in Vietnam against jungle chinks armed with boomsticks. They would never dare to shoot one single bullet at the Soviets. They fled from sandniggers. The "supreme" airforce let a literal caveman with towel on his head bring down their buildings. Fled again from sandland.

US would never attack a nuclear nation like Best Korea. Stop daydreaming, dude. They are too much of pussy to do that.

>>139644129
I never understood what the N-Jammer Canceler was. Is it a nuke or an anti-nuke?

>>139647493
>Mexican about buthurt for the colonization

Mexico would not even exist if it was not for the Spanish colonization.

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>>139658858
That's why I stick to discussing things that the government doesn't care about, like we all should.

>>139658892
Neutron Jammer is used by Coordinators to prevents nukes.
A Neutron Jammer Canceller is used to cancel the the jammer, thus allowing people to use nukes again.

>All these anti-Japan posts
Gee it's almost like this thread was created by a user on some other board that venomously hates Japan and anime and has no real reason to be here besides trying to convert people to their political beliefs because they are a brainwashed hivemind. Fuck off, /pol/

>>>>/pol/

>>139658668
What is GATE

>>139659079
What?
/pol/ is deredere for Japan, dude.

>>139659079
Actually, I only did it because it was portrayed in popular anime and want to see /a/'s opinion on it.
Feel free to report the thread if you want.

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>>139659079
>accepting the fact that usage of nuclear weapons were justified in a historical context means you hate Japan and anime

>>139658668
It's still possible, but fighting the antipropaganda would be much harder. It's like containing a virus inside a single household vs containing it inside an airplane. In the first case it might take days before the town gets infected, in the other one, the entire world is sick in a matter of hours.

>>139658882
Sure. That's why Jap nationalists are butthurt about the American written constitution while they hide behind our military bases whenever China/North Korea start rattling their sabers.

And I don't know why you think I want to attack Best Korea. I'm only using it as a comparison of why feudal Japan telling the Chinese to "fuck off" as a credential of strength is fucking laughable.

>>139659079
>Fuck off, /pol/
Oh my god, he found us!

Quickly, post random, /a/ related, nuclear explosions.

https://youtu.be/E1PmzgnZROo?t=657

>>139658595
The only problem is if I say the following:
>I like Snake.
>I like Naruto

Immediately I will immediately insulted by those who hates those characters and anime. And only the ones who like Hanekawa, Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy will win.

Such discrimination should not be allowed on a democratic board.

>>139658775
It's already happening, look at /pol/, /v/, gaymur gayte, chanology, etc. 4chan makes it's own propaganda that users easily fall for and most aren't even aware how much their opinion is molded by it. Even on /a/ you can find existence of a hivemind.

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>>139659489
You called?

>>139658210
You should really pay attention in history class. That's how wars work.

>>139659268
>they hide behind our military bases
Japs can cut their miilitary spending while having someone else do job for them. So, it's a good deal for Nips.
Also, Japan is a nuclear nation, de facto. Without the prohibition to have an army, Japan would be complete capable of discouraging anyone to attack them in a few years.
But the truth is, America is too traumatized by Pearl Harbor to let that happen. America prefers to be overprotective over Japan then, seeing weaponized rogue Nips, again. Also, Japan is an ally that US can't afford lose.

>>139657239
It was the end of conventional warfare between superpowers.

>>139660114
than seeing*

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>>139659513
Who said I was talking about democracy. It's as democratic as a nuke is.

When the flow of information is slow, it may take to long for anyone with a different opinion to fight against you. When a bystander goes by and looks at the discussion, all he can see is "I like Snake" point. It's then easy to create an illusion that most people think that Snake's the best. Now, it will take some time before someone brave enough will say that he likes Naruto, breaking the illusion.

In the internet, you get millions shitposters disagreeing with you, sometimes just for cheap laughs, so your point becomes weakened as soon as you make it. In the nuclear deterrence analogy, it means you're nukes as soon as you try to nuke anyone.

>>139659657
You have to ask? Shut up and make bakuretsu, asap.

>>139659567
That's definitely a problem, but the thing with internet hiveminds is, the're so ever changing and chaotic, it's really hard to controll them properly. Look at internet memes. You can try to force a meme, or destroy it, but sometimes forced meme just won't become a thing while a random joke will become the next cancer.

>>139659268
>. I'm only using it as a comparison of why feudal Japan telling the Chinese to "fuck off" as a credential of strength is fucking laughable.

But that's the point. You're comparing Japan saying fuck off to China and Best Korea saying fuck off to America. The truth is that America can't touch Best Korea.
>And I don't know why you think I want to attack Best Korea.
It's not a matter of wanting. The US just can't. Period.

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>>139654959

>kamikaze attacks
>war crimes

I agree with you otherwise

>100 post in and everybody is being retarded

The reason the Japanese are still so hurt by the bombings is because all of the effort and sacrifice they gave for the emperor and the home islands were wasted. France kept fighting when their country was taken over, Italy had to be overrun by the allies before they capitulated, and the Germans fought in Berlin until the Reichstag itself was taken over.

Imagine you're a Japanese soldier in August 1945. The people In Japan are starving. Your grandparents killed themselves to lessen the strain on the family, as being so old and taking from the young who need it is a massive dishonor. Your brothers are all in the military, have already died, or are crippled to a point where they can no longer serve. The rest of the family died in the allied firebombings because the warning meant nothing to them, as dying for the emperor and for the war is a great honor.

You've made friends and seen them killed, seen them commit suicide, starve to death, and charge into machine gun fire. The bushido code is still taken to heart.

And suddenly, even after he said otherwise, the emperor asks all of Japan to stop fighting. He accepts the total surrender of Japan and her forces to the allies. The military is dissolved and allied soldiers walk in Japan unopposed.

How would you feel? Many men killed themselves. Many more resented Shinto and cursed the emperor.

Japan became the only axis nation whose homeland was not invaded before they surrendered. The prosperity and peace mean nothing when they were prepared to give everything and at the end were alive and unhurt.

They blamed the bombs, the hand of God the allies used to smite Japan, for breaking the emperor.

After many died and the nation mellowed, the Japanese hate for the bombs still stood due to the false peace between powers the bombs created.

The origin of the anger and pain is almost lost.

>>139644129
hxh's poor man's rose was legitimately and effectively used offensively.

You act like America would ever shut up if we got nuked.

Like people have pointed out, we've had what, two entire attacks on our soil? Pearl Harbor and 9/11? We haven't "gotten over" the destruction of a single military base and an office building, it's fucking sad to turn around and talk shit on another country for 'complaining' about being NUKED.

>>139656339
>It's just interesting how it is portrayed in anime.
Well the examples quoted by OP aren't exactly that specific for Japanese media. Exactly because the bombs were only used on Japan is why the bombs are mainly portrayed as deterrence in entertainment media when we're not talking about post-apocalyptic scenarios.

>>139658068
Glad you understand.

>>139656742
Sauce?

>>139660469
And the kicker is that Hirohito himself had been trying to get a surrender to happen for years, but the military leaders made him stay quiet. He regarded to bombs as a blessing which gave those around him enough pause to allow him to act.

>>139659178
>justified
Try harder.

>>139660114
>Japan is a base that the US can't afford to lose
Fixed. If we lose Japan, we lose a lot of our influence over Asia. If Japan loses us, they're choices are to start playing nice with China or become poor/Riben SAR.

>it's a good deal for Nips
Exactly. Being a vassal's been a great deal for the Nips and they should it.

>>139660452
No, you're missing the point. I don't deny that we can't do a thing about Nork nuclear saber rattling, which is right. What you're saying only makes feudal Japan look even more limpdick in comparison.

>>139660744
hahaha
You remebered me about those asshole prank YT channels.

>It's just a prank, bro!!! Just a prank!!! Why are you so mad? It was just nukes, dude! See?? You're on camera!!!

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>>139659845

So is okay, even if it was totally illegal.

Also you should really pay attention in history class. That's how barbaric invasions works, not war.

>>139657911
>Koreans unconsciously will to be dominated by other nations.
So what you're saying is that if I want to satisfy my bdsm fetish, I should fuck Korean.

>>139660877
>implying it wasn't
yeah, fuck losing hundreds of thousands of Americans so a bunch of Nips can get their rocks off with holy martyrdom for emporu or whatever the fuck.
It was kinder for them in the long run, because it saved their lives and prevented Ivan from setting up North Japan, like East Germany and North Korea

>>139658933
Mexifag here
Mexicans are only still butthurt about the mexican cession

>>139649423
Genetic damage

>>139660913
Oh, now I understand. You're confusing the role of nobles who protect the vassals with the role of hired guns who protect their contractors.

If Japan goes nuclear, nobody will attack them. Japan doesn't really need the US to defend them. But as hired guns are cheaper than maintaining your own, Japan still keeps the deal with America.

>>139649423
>Firebombing alone is responsible for far more civilians casualties
Remember Dresden?

>>139649700
>A few thousand die & it's okay to kill tens of thousands in retaliation?
Absolutely.

>>139660765
>Well the examples quoted by OP aren't exactly that specific for Japanese media.
But anon, I'm OP.

>>139660927
And your post made me remember that american TV show inviting some jap whose whole family got killed to shake hands with the guy that dropped the nukes.

>>139661197
Keep spouting your shit maybe somebody is going to believe you one day.

>>139661692
Ja, das tun wir.

>>139649423
>Bombs in general should piss the Japs off.
Japs have no right to do anything but beg for forgiveness regarding WW2.

>>139661963
Burning a city to the ground sure is fun.

>>139661795
Congrats for being gay, I guess. What are you trying to say?
I still think that this kind of portrayal doesn't come from them being "so hurt" about the bombings (which they probably are). It's just a natural way to look at these type of weapons and not something "Japanese".

>>139661661
M8, the day Japan goes nuclear is the day both the Americans and Chinese make their economy go nuclear. Sucking on the American tit being cheaper is an understatement.

someone had to put them in check, we might have gone a little overboard though.

>>139660947
>war
>illegal
Top kek.

>>139650510
>They are bad because I say so.
Irony

>>139660826

That's why the anti emperor and anger sentiments mellowed after a while.

So nowadays we have anti nuke Japanese who don't remember why Japan was so anti nuke. They couldn't talk bad about the emperor when they became businessmen, teachers, scientists, and regular civilians post war, so it ended up just being anti nukes after a while.

The youngsters who are anti nuke have no idea why they should express this anger and pain. They think the victims of the nukes were the reason. In reality the many victims still stood strong as a whole. The first places they were rebuilding were the weapons factories.

And many must understand that there are millions who felt this way. There were a few hundred thousand Japanese who simply never stopped fighting.

They fought and commanded the troops in the southeast Asian conflicts post war. They trained these men and supported the communists just to fight against the allies.

How do you think Vietnam managed to push the French out? Many of the soldiers as well as the commanders in that conflict were men who had taken Singapore.

Dien bien phu has many similarities in how the battles were fought when compared to the Japanese in world war 2. Surprise artillery they carried up the mountains is just one.

>>139661661
>>139660913
USA and Japan's relationship is so cute!
It's like two tsundere characters in love.

>"I just hit Japan because he was being silly and giving too much attention to Germany-senpai!"
>"I-It's not like I need you or a-anything! I can protect myself against commies!"
>"What a loser autistic island! M-My name is America, n-nice to meet you! Are you ignoring me? I-It's not like I want to talk to you or a-anything! Hey, are you listening?! I demand you to l-listen to me r-right now or else I will slap y-you, you baka!!!!"

I kind of wish they had some more America service when they decide to bring out military in.
Hollywood has no problem with jerking off ninjas and shit, why can't Japan accept that the world's strongest military is actually pretty damn good.

>>139644129
>Naruto with Pain's Bijuu
>They claim that it is not real 'peace'
He was right, pain and fear united all the nations and brought a period of peace and prosperity for the ninja villages.

>>139644129
Japan acts traumatized over two of their cities being wiped of the map with massive explosions (with pretty much the rest of their cities having been burnt down by firebombs already at that point) followed by several years of occupation and being forced to adopt the style of government of the victors, America acts even more traumatized over some fucks crashing a couple planes into a building, killing far less people than are killed in pretty much every Middle Eastern country from terrorism on a yearly basis, and use it as an excuse to go invade the general region the attackers came from so they could shoot children with drones to make themselves feel better. Americlaps don't get to judge any other country for overreacting to anything.

>>139662010
Of course, It is merely our preference of cities that differs.

>>139662359
>planes crashing into a building
except that wasn't during war, that was a random act of violence.
Same reason perl harbor was seen as so bad. Because it was an "unprovoked" act of violence.

>>139662011
I'm saying the portrayal of 'peace' without using nuclear bomb for anime in particular, that's why this is not in /pol/, it's in /a/. That answers: "So it really shouldn't be surprising that media references this.", buddy.

When people portray nuclear bomb, they usually talk about how destructive the weapon is. The fact that it is used by Japan to refute the kind of 'peace' we have now is rare, and in my opinion, because they feel hurt about it as well.

>>139662280
No shit, there's a reason Axis Powers Hetalia is a thing.

>>139662441
>random act of violence.
Sure, mate! The US never attacked arabic nations.

>>139662441
>US bombs its own towers
>Better blame the shitskins in the middle east
Freedom am I right?

>>139662294
They can skip the national label and just throw in more firearms and real robots. I die a little every time I see honoraburu katana mastery beating automatic guns when the guns have range, sight, and composure. And none of that pistol/SMG bullshit; shotguns and rifles only (no P90s, AKs, or SPAS-12s either).

>>139662441
USA had every right to "provoke" Japan who for the last five years had been raping and slaughtering their way through China

>>139660744

>sneak attacks and acts of terrorism vs strategic bombing in a total war

The Japanese did it as well. I'm sure many are confused at why the weapon that saved lives is hated far more than the firebombings.

The men near the explosion were vaporized so that only their shadows remained. Many were turned into carbon, and many more were cooked to death/melted in an instant from the microwaves sublimating their water content.

Meanwhile in Tokyo, people did not have that luxury. They all died horribly of immolation. At best, they lost their oxygen and suffocated to death.

The bombs seem merciful in comparison.

>>139659079

Fuck off reddit

>>139662525
meant to put that in quotations.
But point being it was an attack on a civilian target for seemingly no purpose other than to cause pain and suffering.
America does plenty of stupid shit and is far from innocent, but they don't fly planes into civilian buildings to fuck with people.

>>139660126
And the dawn of super-secrecy and proxy wars.

>>139656632
>Because of the war they started.
>Imperialism is only bad when other people do it.

>>139662642
You know that there is no hard who-lives-who-dies boundary with a nuke. It causes fires too and people burn to death too.

And radiation poisoning is pretty gruesome too if you get hit by the fallout instead.

>>139662773
Imperialism is bad when you don't have the strength to back it up, because then it comes back to burn you
or burn several of your cities

>>139662441
>that was a random act of violence
So are the attacks that happen on almost a daily basis in the Middle East killing up to hundreds of people at a time, but you don't see them going all "hurrr nevar 4get" over it.

>>139662359
>two of their cities being wiped of the map with massive explosions (with pretty much the rest of their cities having been burnt down by firebombs already at that point)
Common Japanese tactic: disguise military production as civilian buildings. Whether the USA bombs the right or wrong target, propaganda can be issued saying the USA targeted civilians. As for the damage itself, compare Manhattan's death toll to Downfall's projected, and Manhattan is clearly the less cruel choice.

>followed by several years of occupation and being forced to adopt the style of government of the victors
Which meant checks that prevented a military government and theocratic fanaticism, plus the benefit of a massive industrial injection which allowed Japan to become a technology powerhouse in a mere decade, while Italy and France were still licking their wounds. And that occupation kept Russia from slurping Japan's north up.

>>139662493
I wish there was a non-yaoi version of Hetalia, so I could enjoy cute countries doing cute things.

>>139662846
>you don't see them going never 4get
never hear of Palestinians?
the entire shit in the middle east is 1 big grudge war.

>>139662773
Murrican economic jew imperialism >>>>>>>>>>> Jap hooker/rape co """"prosperity"""" sphere

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>>139662476
>The fact that it is used by Japan to refute the kind of 'peace' we have now is rare

>>139662940
What you trying to say now, smug senpai?

>>139662920
Holy shit you retard, I'm not claiming American actions in Japan weren't justified, I was claiming that America are giant pissbabies because almost everyone else has gone through far worse and doesn't bitch about it as much as America bitches about 9/11. Gain some reading comprehension before you start taking a side in an argument that wasn't being had.

>>139662846
It helps when most of them live in poverty, just focusing on getting by.
Also, half of them can't read or write and television ownership is still very low in many areas.

>>139658882
>To force a Jap surrender, they nuked civilians.
Japs were really considering surrender anyway before the bombs were dropped. This is why people bitch about the bombs.

America could have not dropped any bombs and Japs still probably would have surrendered. There would have never been a land invasion in any scenario.

Learn history.

>>139662937
One thing is for sure, if the Japs and Nazis had won the war we wouldn't have to deal with feminists.

>>139644129
>Start a war
>Lose the war
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

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>>139663038
>Japs were really considering surrender anyway

lmao

>>139663017
A harsh yet justified act in war (especially against military forces) is a far cry from an unprovoked terrorist attack targeting civilians. Nobody is calling France "pissbabies" over Paris, and that was small apples next to the New York attack.

>>139645310
only politicians and newscasters give a real shit about it anymore, and the families who lost people in them of course

>>139663038
>start war
>constantly fight to last man
>eve of invasion, get nuked
>"YOU SHOULDA KNOWN WE WERE GONNA SURRENDER AMERICA-SAN"

>>139663138
>lmao
We know what that anon said is not true. But there is no need to trigger the other anons in this thread.

>>139663285
>>139663138
>>139663216
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
>Months before the end of the war, Japan's leaders recognized that defeat was inevitable. In April 1945 a new government headed by Kantaro Suzuki took office with the mission of ending the war. When Germany capitulated in early May, the Japanese understood that the British and Americans would now direct the full fury of their awesome military power exclusively against them.

>American officials, having long since broken Japan's secret codes, knew from intercepted messages that the country's leaders were seeking to end the war on terms as favorable as possible. Details of these efforts were known from decoded secret communications between the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo and Japanese diplomats abroad.

>In his 1965 study, Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam (pp. 107, 108), historian Gar Alperovitz writes:

>Although Japanese peace feelers had been sent out as early as September 1944 (and [China's] Chiang Kai-shek had been approached regarding surrender possibilities in December 1944), the real effort to end the war began in the spring of 1945. This effort stressed the role of the Soviet Union ...

>In mid-April [1945] the [US] Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for a way to modify the surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was convinced the Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting.

Like I said, learn history instead of watching anime if you want to argue history.

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>>139662921
Why wait for something that will never come, when you can watch cute as kurwa Porando do cute as kurwa things?

>>139656298
He is right though. When most countries have problems, they blame other countries. When Americans have problems, they blame their government. Also nice burger bait.

>>139663407
we had already announced any surrender would be unconditional. Looking for surrender on terms when that is impossible is not being open to surrender.

>>139663407
They hadn't surrendered yet though so that's their problem.
Plus they probably had retarded terms.

Plus plus, we just made a giant fucking bomb. Who wouldn't want to use it in that situation?

>>139658668
What? Propaganda is literally even more effective nowadays. "Trusted sources" from the "free press" are the best friend of the state. It's an illusion that democracy and the freedom of men leads to actual freedom and true information.
Honestly, democracy was the best thing to ever happen to the global Jew.

>>139663198
People aren't calling France pissbabies because they didn't make the day a relatively small amount (compared to anything experienced during wartime) of their civilians were killed a holiday called "Patriot Day" that they have moments of silence for every year. The justifiablity of an action does not determine its level of damage and trauma, getting slapped in the face for no good reason is still less damaging and traumatic than getting a sawed-off shotgun to the face even when you deserved it. The fact is that, from the fault of their military government's actions (which is irrelevant to this question) the Japanese people suffered a deal of trauma that Americans could never even imagine. If you took any nation in World War II and offered to spare them the utter desolation of their countries that the war caused in return for some dune coons crashing a plane into a building, the'd take it in a heartbeat. It's honestly funny that America still bitches about Pearl harbor, too. Whole countries in Europe were steamrolled first by the Nazi and then by the Allied war machines, laying their cities to waste and killing millions, and Americans have the gall to treat Pearl Harbor like it was the absolute worst action in the entire war because some ships got sunk and a few military personnel died.

>>139645553
Peace achieved by overpowering others then brainwashing the population totally works though

t. the western world

>>139662803

But in the kill zone for the blast you simply die. You die before your brain comprehends it.

That's the point I'm trying to make. The blast wave stopped a lot of the fires in the lightly built Japanese cities from forming like they did in the Tokyo firebombings.

>>139663407
Sure, that's why a coup almost happened when the Emperor tried to surrender.

>>139663476
>>139663479
>what an idiot! the zipperheads would fight to the very last man!
>here is proof that japan was looking to surrender before the bombs were dropped
>b-but that isn't the right kind of surrender and i w-wanted to play with my new t-toys!

Fuck off. You said I was wrong. I wasn't. I don't care if you think the bombs were justified or not.

>>139663614
>Implying Japan didn't want the best possible terms for surrender in a war they already lost
>Implying the military government was united in seeking a surrender at all
>Implying the war wouldn't have kept going if not for the bombs

>>139663614
>everyone is the same person
It took them over a year to surrender, while still fighting and killing themselves.
Large portions of the state department didn't want to surrender.

Cherry picking facts that come down to
>t-they were totally thinking of doing it! they just didn't because reasons!

>>139663614
If they wanted to surrender, explain why there was an attempted coup when the Emperor told his military advisers.

>>139663407
Here in Brazil, we had the kachigumi and makegumi. Kachigumi was a group of Jap immigrants that really believed that news of Japan surrendering was Allies propaganda to confuse them. Makegumi basically, believed in the news.
Kachigumi knew it was impossible for a god to lose so, there was no way Japan had lost the war.
Kachigumi members would kill Makegumi members because they saw them as traitors who didn't believe that the Emperor was literally a god.

If the surrendering terms didn't include the Emperor losing his divinity status, then, the average Jap would never surrender.

>>139663779
>If they wanted to surrender, explain why there was an attempted coup when the Emperor told his military advisers.
Because not everyone thinks the same?

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>>139663614
>ass blasted weaboo continues to be autistic

>>139663614
A very large minority of "Japan's leaders" recognized that defeat was inevitable before the war with the US even began. It doesn't matter what people think unless they're agreed, and woah, they didn't agree to surrender until the nukes were dropped.

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>>139645824
I have not met a single person in the history of my life that has been angry about Pearl Harbor.

>>139663815
Yet you said they would gladly have surrendered. The fact that military members would try to depose their dear Emperor, even after two nukes, just goes to show how they would fanatically keep fighting.

>>139663884
Me neither, but thousands of people were posting about it when Japan got tsunami'd, so they're out there.

>post proof
>people can't even be assed to read anything i don't greentext here and still argue with propaganda like "the japs would fight to the last man"

here's more:

It was only after the war that the American public learned about Japan's efforts to bring the conflict to an end. Chicago Tribune reporter Walter Trohan, for example, was obliged by wartime censorship to withhold for seven months one of the most important stories of the war.

In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86 Journal, pp. 508-512.)

This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:

Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
Surrender of designated war criminals.

(cont)

>>139663878
post your source

>>139656409
Nigger we could've razed that Gook Island to the ground. They were lucky we didn't.

>>139663965
>Gook Island
Get your racial slurs right, retard.

>>139663949
I just find it funny you think Americans are just giant assholes who wanted to nuke Japan.
Nuking Japan was a huge decision, people didn't really want to do it. Maybe there was information mislayed but we didn't go around nuking them for fun.

>>139663949
Is this memorandum authentic? It was supposedly leaked to Trohan by Admiral William D. Leahy, presidential Chief of Staff. (See: M. Rothbard in A. Goddard, ed., Harry Elmer Barnes: Learned Crusader [1968], pp. 327f.) Historian Harry Elmer Barnes has related (in "Hiroshima: Assault on a Beaten Foe," National Review, May 10, 1958):

The authenticity of the Trohan article was never challenged by the White House or the State Department, and for very good reason. After General MacArthur returned from Korea in 1951, his neighbor in the Waldorf Towers, former President Herbert Hoover, took the Trohan article to General MacArthur and the latter confirmed its accuracy in every detail and without qualification.

In April and May 1945, Japan made three attempts through neutral Sweden and Portugal to bring the war to a peaceful end. On April 7, acting Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu met with Swedish ambassador Widon Bagge in Tokyo, asking him "to ascertain what peace terms the United States and Britain had in mind." But he emphasized that unconditional surrender was unacceptable, and that "the Emperor must not be touched." Bagge relayed the message to the United States, but Secretary of State Stettinius told the US Ambassador in Sweden to "show no interest or take any initiative in pursuit of the matter." Similar Japanese peace signals through Portugal, on May 7, and again through Sweden, on the 10th, proved similarly fruitless.

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>>139663884
When the tsunami struck Japan, this what some americlaps had to say.

>>139663948
I've seen those. They were more or less tasteless jokes.

>>139663995
>he doesn't know that nips are pretty much gooks who moved to the island

>>139663997
>I just find it funny you think Americans are just giant assholes who wanted to nuke Japan.
I never said that. I'm American and I don't give a shit about the bombs.

I'm arguing with retards who think propaganda is truth.

By mid-June, six members of Japan's Supreme War Council had secretly charged Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo with the task of approaching Soviet Russia's leaders "with a view to terminating the war if possible by September." On June 22 the Emperor called a meeting of the Supreme War Council, which included the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the leading military figures. "We have heard enough of this determination of yours to fight to the last soldiers," said Emperor Hirohito. "We wish that you, leaders of Japan, will strive now to study the ways and the means to conclude the war. In doing so, try not to be bound by the decisions you have made in the past."

By early July the US had intercepted messages from Togo to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow, Naotake Sato, showing that the Emperor himself was taking a personal hand in the peace effort, and had directed that the Soviet Union be asked to help end the war. US officials also knew that the key obstacle to ending the war was American insistence on "unconditional surrender," a demand that precluded any negotiations. The Japanese were willing to accept nearly everything, except turning over their semi-divine Emperor. Heir of a 2,600-year-old dynasty, Hirohito was regarded by his people as a "living god" who personified the nation. (Until the August 15 radio broadcast of his surrender announcement, the Japanese people had never heard his voice.) Japanese particularly feared that the Americans would humiliate the Emperor, and even execute him as a war criminal.

>>139663995
they're all the same thing man
gooks, nips, slopes, fish heads
you know, yellow people

>>139664041
No, they're island chinks.

>>139664027
It's just tards being tards, the only things they probably know about japan is that they had samurai and they attacked murrica.

On July 12, Hirohito summoned Fumimaro Konoye, who had served as prime minister in 1940-41. Explaining that "it will be necessary to terminate the war without delay," the Emperor said that he wished Konoye to secure peace with the Americans and British through the Soviets. As Prince Konoye later recalled, the Emperor instructed him "to secure peace at any price, notwithstanding its severity."

The next day, July 13, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired ambassador Naotake Sato in Moscow: "See [Soviet foreign minister] Molotov before his departure for Potsdam ... Convey His Majesty's strong desire to secure a termination of the war ... Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace ..."

On July 17, another intercepted Japanese message revealed that although Japan's leaders felt that the unconditional surrender formula involved an unacceptable dishonor, they were convinced that "the demands of the times" made Soviet mediation to terminate the war absolutely essential. Further diplomatic messages indicated that the only condition asked by the Japanese was preservation of "our form of government." The only "difficult point," a July 25 message disclosed, "is the ... formality of unconditional surrender."

Now you can read the rest yourself.

>>139663549
Are you saying Japan didn't deserve some comeuppance after what they did to Australia, China, and the Philippines, and that plowing through every Japanese city between the east coast and Kyoto is better than two coup de graces? Are you saying the soldiers who followed orders to rape and kill for Japanese manifest destiny are irrelevant to Japan's culpability and shouldn't be considered Japanese people?\

Are you saying that WW1's uncalled-for punishments on Germany weren't the reason Germany pushed back after their population was combat-ready again? Are you saying that the choice is between war and terrorism, and peace shouldn't be valued above both?

Sure, there's some tacky nationalism with "Patriot Day", but every goddamn country in Europe has named days to commemorate major national events. And you can bet that Paris will have annual remembrances of the November attacks this year and next year, at the least.

>>139664091
>formality of unconditional surrender.
Because letting a nation that pillaged and raped across a continent off with a conditional surrender is a good idea.

>>139664050
yellow people is ok for nips, gooks is not.
you wouldn't call a nigger a chink, would you?

>>139664082
They're a mix of both.

>>139644129
It's just old men being butthurt they lost the big war. None of the modern kids care about it beyond it being something they learned about in history class.

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>>139664027

>>139664166
I didn't say it was a good idea.

I said they were looking to surrender. Not fight to the death.

>>139644129
The young Japanese have forgotten that they deserved it when it happened. I'm not sure what they teach the student there about the issue, but I'm sure it is biased and half-truths.

>>139664243
SOME were looking for surrender. The officers that attempted the coup clearly did not.

>>139664284
>The officers that attempted the coup clearly did not.
Clearly they were the minority or the coup would have succeeded then, don't you think? Surrender seeking wouldn't have continued up to and including the bomb dropping?

>>139664243
Not all of them were looking to surrender, which was the entire fucking problem you moron.

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>>139664027
The other edit with the pictures of the crying people actually kind of hit me.
In fact, I was dead sick when the earthquake and aftermath happened. Remember lying in bed, fever dreaming and watching this on TV. It was so surreal because I was completely gone and couldn't even go to the PC to shitpost. I only really realized that something terrible has happened after I recovered, shit was fucking weird.

>>139664368
Or they realized that since the majority of the populace already heard the broadcast, they couldn't trick them anymore, like they tricked them on the islands.

>>139663407

>Japan's leaders

>strangely absent are the military leaders, many of which wanted a coup

It was a military controlled government when the blockade went into place and the Japanese would not stop fighting.

It would have been better for everyone to surrender after the Battle of the Phillipine sea and Leyte gulf.

Over 100,000 did not stop fighting. They fought in all the conflicts in Southeast Asia during the post world war 2 period, including the French Indochina war, probably their most major action where victory would have never been achieved by the Vietnamese otherwise.

Dien bien phu was carried out like the siege of Singapore and other pacific battles.

As one anon here said, emperor Hirohito was in favor of peace, but the nuclear bombings, which many people in the Japanese military thought was punishment from the Gods, gave Hirohito back the power he lost and the excuse he finally needed to end the war.

Truman telling them that they unleashed the power of the universe and brought the sun down to Japan made that point even greater.

>>139664166
>implying the US even considered the war crimes

Worst Korea loves the US but they don't seem to know that Americans got all research data from human experiments from Japs in exchange for not prosecuting the Nips war criminals. The only people who cares for the crimes are the victims. There are no saints in war nor good sides.

>>139664373
>Not all of them were looking to surrender, which was the entire fucking problem you moron.
Did you read the source? The problem was that they wanted too much out of the surrender, and no one wanted to help them negotiate.

A few crazy faggots not wanting to surrender was irrelevant.

>>139664438
>negotiate.
Negotiation wasn't even on the table at this point.

>>139664273
>hurr durr they deserved it
What about the second bomb?

It is impossible for US to redeem herself. US is the number one criminal in the world.

>>139664479
>Negotiation wasn't even on the table at this point.
Well that was the problem. Americans and everyone else didn't want to negotiate. Doesn't mean Japan didn't want to surrender and that "every japanese man woman and child will fight to the last man!" is real.

>>139645553
What? That peace worked out pretty well for Japan post nuking
You can't work your way to mutual understanding without making them surrender first.

>>139664535
>The losers should be allowed to negotiate.
Fuck off. You don't get to decide terms when you lose the war.

>>139664480
Yes but you're forgetting the fact that you don't become the number one guy in the world without being the number one bad guy. Just a continuation of the Eternal Anglo.

>>139664535
Explain Okinawa then.

>>139664480
>US is the number one criminal in the world.
Oh man if only you could see a Soviet ruled world or a Chinese ruled world....You'd wish for the Americans back 100% of the time.

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>71 years later and weebs are still butt-blasted the country that makes their cartoons got nuked

>>139647581
>No wonder they're failing at sustaining a population.

Ive always thought the reason Japan and the west are failing is because WW2 took out all the good genes and all that were left were the cowards that somehow didnt die.

This is why their are so many beta losers compared to before.

>>139664604
>Fuck off. You don't get to decide terms when you lose the war.
Again, I'm not arguing that the bomb dropping was wrong. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

All I am trying to say to you is that Japan was looking for surrender long before the bombs. Were they necessary/fair? Who knows.

>>139664632
>Explain Okinawa then.
They hadn't surrendered/no one was responding to their attempts at surrender?
Certain military officials and some of the populace were insane and really would fight to the death?

The leaders of the country wanted to surrender. That is fact.

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>>139664480
>US is the number one criminal in the world
Fuck off, Kim.

>>139664642
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I personally, like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

>>139664708
No it's just that their current culture is making women more independent and less focused on homemaking. Also men aren't looking for dating as much either.

>>139664795
Don't you have a woman to be stoning for taking off her burka, Ali al-Kebab?

>>139649700
Yes. Fuck those sandniggers and their shitty pedophile worshiping ideology.

>>139664438

It wasn't that. It was the timing and acceleration of horrors.

After the Philippines, all that was left to sue for peace were the Japanese islands themselves. The Japanese gave absolutely no effort in lessening the casualties from us having to boot them out of those islands and New Guinea.

They wanted to continue controlling manchuko and Korea. They wanted dominion over Indochina because the Vichy government said ok. When they had barely anything left to give, and absolutely nothing that gave incentive for the Americans to select a conditional peace, they still thought they were in a position to broker.

Pre Potsdam and yalta would have allowed them something. The emperor instead pussied out and bowed to the pressure of the military leaders.

>>139664744
>Certain military officials and some of the populace were insane
I guess only the Okinawans were insane then. The main islanders must've been much more level headed.
>The leaders of the country
And as explained, the real people in power (the military) didn't.

>>139645310
You fuck with the best and you get what's coming.

>>139664870
I can't really blame the Emperor, he was a puppet.

>>139664795
Here's a few links too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

And my favorite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

>>139664795
There's so much horrific and barbaric shit done by all the other countries that putting together 2 links is just making your case look weaker.

Chinese for example, they live like insects. If they run someone over, they make sure to do it twice to make sure that they are actually dead and then flee the scene since it is less trouble for them.

>>139664818
Fucking stop throwing this retarded meme around already. Fuck man.
They're overpopulated, post war boom isn't normal and they're right in a completely normal decline of population numbers. Add the fact that every developed nation with smart people had low birth rate, which is also normal, and you have a literal non existent problem. It has nothing to do with their culture in specific.

>>139664708
Japs were submissive peasants before and after the war. The difference is that their leaders are shoving them towards being salarymen for the West instead of being cannon fodder rapists.

>>139664744

So why didn't they do so pre yalta?

Why did they ignore the ultimatums?

Why did they ignore the Potsdam declaration in the end?

There's a reason they call it an ultimatum. If the Japanese had surrendered the phillipines and did not insist to continue holding dominion over Korea and Indochina (Indochina was dropped too late but they really did believe they could squeak that out due to Vichy government agreements) they would not have been nuked.

The emperor needed those nukes to convince the military and the populace in majority to finally surrender. Even he thought it was a miracle and was of the opinion it saved lives.

>>139665021
Are you fucking retarded? Everyone but you apparently knows why Japan is in a decline.

Women joining the workforce. Literally everyone knows it, fuck off.

>>139664964
Don't forget these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan#World_War_II

>>139664964
see
>>139664434
"MacArthur struck a deal with Japanese informants[47]—he secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731, including their leader, in exchange for providing America, but not the other wartime allies, with their research on biological warfare and data from human experimentation.[10] American occupation authorities monitored the activities of former unit members, including reading and censoring their mail.[48] The U.S. believed that the research data was valuable."

Calling out for others war crimes is just hypocritical when you nuke civilians and compactuate with their crimes.

>>139665021
>It has nothing to do with their culture in specific.
This is very hard to believe.

>>139665090
Why are Americans such assholes?

>>139665090
>>139664434
Why let good data go to waste? The crimes were already done - we were merely being practical.

>>139665072
I don't know. Maybe their attempts at surrender were retarded, but they did try. That's all I'm trying to say.

>>139665141
You could have the data and prosecute the war criminals. But in the end, the US just compactuated with the war crimes.

>>139665073
No, you're the retard here.
Women joining the workforce isn't a phenomenon that is specific to Japan. Women in Germany have always worked since the end of the war. That was the point, it's not a cultural problem but a normal thing in first world countries.

>>139665089
>>139664964
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_laboratory_of_the_Soviet_secret_services

>>139664958

Which the anon saying muh war crimes isn't getting.

He lost his power in 1944. Without the unconditional surrender, Japan would have had a coup and a civil war.

The nukes are what Hirohito needed to end the war. Conflict was already heating up again between the commies and nationalists in China.

An ultimatum is an ultimatum. The ultimatum and the mass disarmament was made specifically post German surrender from things they said about their contacts with Japan.

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They were actually considering using up to 15 nuclear weapons for Operation Downfall, so regardless of how the U.S. got Japan to surrender they would've been asspained about the nukes anyway.

Might've gotten some sweet war dramas out of it though. They were literally training the civilian population to fight with bamboo spears. It would've been Vietnam decades before the real 'Nam.

>>139665212
>Women joining the workforce isn't a phenomenon that is specific to Japan
Way to shoot yourself in foot, dumbass. It fucked over Japan the most SPECIFICALLY because of their CULTURE.

Jesus christ dude.

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>>139665195
Clearly they couldn't, that's why it said "MacArthur struck a deal" with them. Otherwise the data likely would've been destroyed had 731 been prosecuted.

>mfw all the buttblasted weebs in this thread
The butthurt is gold.

>>139665141
Really? Do we need to defend war criminals just because they were from the US?

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>>139665289
>Really?
Post discarded.

>>139649700
Yup. The US has enough military force to show that our people are worth more than yours. Our country was built by taking over the bulk of a continent, from shore to shore, and ensuring that our foes will have a hell of a time ever touching our soil.

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>>139644129
Peace can only be found when people truly understand each other. This can only be done by casting aside our individual bodies, and face each other with our will alone. Without bodily greed, there is no need for war.

>>139665223
>>139665089
But I thought Americans were the number one criminals?

>>139665260
Have you ever looked outside? Every single first world country is facing the same "problem" and again, it's not specifically related to Japan but all first world countries. It didn't fuck up Japan specifically, not that there is any kind of fuck up.

>>139665363
>merge with everyone
>now you have the same shit taste as them
war is a necessary evil

>>139665187

That isn't trying.

The Japanese were not children. They understood what it mean to sue for peace. They had to sacrifice something or give some incentive to the Americans.

The Germans and Japanese in Germany that actually surrendered told the allies how much of a puppet Hirohito was. The allies discussed what the brokered peace would do if they accepted a conditional surrender.

In the end, we saved Hirohito, saved lives, freed them from imperialist military control, and fulfilled every single obligation for the Japanese peace and prosperity that would follow the war. We exceeded our promises, and gave Japan the ability to become an economic superpower, only second to 2 countries that dwarf them in population.

>>139665397
What are you even talking about?
Japan is the only nation ON EARTH that is declining in population. This is because they have historically had a very well respected culture of men striving to achieve success in the workforce and support their families, while women did their part in creating and nurturing children as well as taking care of their family's health and well-being.

Now both women and men are doing the first part, which leaves very few people doing the other (EQUALLY IMPORTANT) roll.

That is why their population is declining. This is not news to anyone but you apparently. Women have fucked over the nation with "m-muh independence".

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>>139656298
>rape their way through SE Asia
>perform horrid experiments of captured civilians and soldiers
>think their dicks are big enough to attack the US
>get their shit slapped and towns torched
>so indoctrinated into worshiping their ruler that the only option would have been all out invasion killing millions
>two bombs to finally chill the fuck out
You should be happy, faggot. We only have anime and all the related shit because America broke the nips.

>>139665500
>only nation ON EARTH that is declining in population
Check your facts.

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>>139665500
woah

>>139664161
I'm saying that whether or not they brought it on themselves, Japan has actual wartime trauma to be traumatized about, while the US has jack shit. Who deserved what and what the alternatives were doesn't matter. 9/11 was absolutely nothing on the scale of violent actions for a nation to suffer, and yet they bitch about it more than say Belgium, who had armies raging and raping back and forth through their land for two wars in a row, but how many Belgians do you see on the internet going on about "nevur 4get worst day of all history" or using it as justification to falsely portray their country as victimized? America hasn't has a war on its soil since the 1860s (no, one tiny attack on an outlying naval base in what was then a territory doesn't count), and yet they think they have a right to criticize other people for being traumatized about war. Please acquire even a tiny little bit of reading and argument comprehension before posting again.

>>139644129
America is still so hurt about 2 stolen planes and 2 meager towers.

>>139665611
What the fuck is happening in Taiwan?

>>139664964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
academic estimates have been that as many as 10,000 Okinawan women may have been raped. It has been claimed that the rape was so prevalent that most Okinawans over age 65 around the year 2000 either knew or had heard of a woman who was raped in the aftermath of the war.

Oh, no!
So, Americans also had sistematic rapes in Japan? Only commies, nips and nazis rape!

>>139665500
>Japan is the only nation ON EARTH that is declining in population.
Stopped reading right there, you don't even know simple statistics. Germany had a lower birth rate than Japan until one or two years ago. Japan's birth rate has actually improved in the last year, the majority of the developer countries have a negative birth rate and the decline of population numbers is a huge topic. In other words, shut the fuck up you faggot and educate yourself.

>>139665649
15 years is a fresh wound compared to 70+ years.

>>139648374
What about Midway or Okinawa? I'm not sympathizing with Americans about Pearl Harbor considering the U.S. created trade embargo's on Japan due to their increasing influence in the pacific, which America was given an ultimatum first to withdraw the embargo, but still America's military isn't that shitty. However America's whole argument about the nukes is avoiding a land based invasion, yet in reality the biggest reason was to scare every other country in the world, and show our dominance as the new super power. Japan knew they lost after the U.S.S.R declared war on them, and they were attempting to negotiate means of surrender. America also wanted to test the bombs out to see their damage therefore choosing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two heavily populated cities, essentially for scientific experiments.

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>>139644129
>japan goes from needing to America to sit next to them to keep their islands safe to being THE military power due to one super secret weapon only they can or know how to make

>>139665655
Having kids is expensive in post-industrial societies

Americas is still high because of minorities, religion, and relatively cheap cost of living

>>139665692
A more valid excuse now?

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They can make all the propaganda anime they want.

We've neutered them so it's whatever.

Pre-WW2 Japan was Theon Greyjoy yo

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>>139665594
>>139665594
Just google Japan's population crisis, way too man links to feed you.

>>139665732
>and it's piloted by a 16 year old boy

>>139648374
>The nukes were uses cause the american troops are garbage.
kek. Muhreens fucking slaughtered the japs despite being the sideshow theater.

>>139665655
>What the fuck is happening in Taiwan?
Taiwanese women don't want kids.

t. guy with Taiwanese wife that has gone to Taiwan

>>139665767
>It's a GIGANTIC METAL MAN
>IT IS NOT TINY AND WILL NEVER, EVER GO SOFT

>>139665753
The point is that it's not the only nation with declining native population like you claimed, you retard.

>>139665594
>>139665611
>>139665682
I knew /a/ was pretty ignorant to world issues, but this is kinda sad.

Do you faggots really not know about Japan's population issue? I feel like I'm in a bizarro world right now where everyone is fucking retarded. >>139665500 is correct, the issue with their birth rate declining is linked to women refusing to be women and trying to be men. This has happened elsewhere, but Japan is much stricter to the point where women being at home was a necessity.

>>139645553
to be fair the Japanese didn't give Truman much choice the fuckers wouldn't surrender other wise

>>139665879
Japan also doesn't support a mix of both for women. For example, maternity leaves have a pretty negative view there. If a woman is going to have children, she's expected to be a stay at home mom.

>>139665753
No one's saying Japan isn't declining in population, dipshit. Lots of first world countries are having below birth rate replacement rates because of economic reasons.

Japan and these other countries are falling behind on this because of out of control socialized spending. It's like a ponzi scheme falling apart when new people stop paying in. That's the only reason it's even a "crisis". Hell, it's not like a ponzi scheme, it fucking is a ponzi scheme.

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>they still believe nukes made Japan surrender

>>139665659
Yeah. This only proves that every country was horrible in WW2.
We can't judge a nation by their actions during war time. I recommend searching for The Psychology of Evil and how any average good citizen can become a Hitler in a matter of days.

>>139665942
Japan also has the lack of immigrants. Other countries have low birth rates but have new people entering and becoming a new work force and eventually consumers, but that doesn't happen in Japan since the immigration there is relatively limited and its own culture doesn't really accept it well.

>>139665942
>falling behind on this because of out of control socialized spending
Lol. You can't blame spending for this. Want to know why both adults in the household have to work? Hint: Living costs are rising. And you want to know who's fault that is? Who are the people who caused 2008?

>>139665898
Every country but America was ready to accept Japan's surrender, but they were so butthurt about losing at pearl harbor that they had to drop nukes to get revenge.

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Japan got fucked so hard for America that shows that would air on Disney here are considered for men in their country.

>>139665879
No, it is not. Are you fucking illiterate and can not read statistics? Again, all developed nations are experiencing this. In different degrees yes and Japan is indeed on the lower end of the spectrum but that is not because of women. It's because of extremely high cost of living in areas like Tokyo, which is the main melting pot in Japan due to the centralized economic planning. It's due to the fact that living in first world country is simply expensive as fuck. It's due to the fact that Japan is simply experiencing a normal drop in population after the boomer age.
This isn't specific to Japan and it's happening in every place that is relevant, no one gives a shit about niggers that are breeding in the heat of the African sun.

>>139665879
>, the issue with their birth rate declining is linked to women refusing to be women and trying to be men
Literally fucking retarded. Japanese women are still feminine as shit. The reason birthrates are falling is because you have an entire youth that is having more and more fiscal responsibility thrust upon them to continue the ponzi scheme of socialized spending for the massive aging population of Japan where people live long lives on average. Instead of being financially stable to start families and have more kids, they check out of society and create a crisis because they have less earning potential in an already stressful society with a crazy work culture.

>>139666012
True as well. Stable citizens have lower birthrates. It's like how I'm sure everyone has experienced seeing people poor as fuck popping out shit tons of kids, while the upper-middle class family has only one or two kids responsibly.

>>139666039
Both adults in the household have to work because women were forcibly integrated into the workplace which forced down workforce scarcity and therefore earnings per person.

Let's bring all the /pol/ discussion back to /a/.
What kind of 'peace' is the best?

>Euphemia's 'Special Territorial for Colony'
>Charles's 'C World'
>Schneizel's 'Damocles as Educating Humanity'
>Nunally's 'Damocles as Common Enemy'
>Lelouch's 'Tyranny as Common Enemy'
>Pain's 'Bijuu'
>Tobi's 'Genjutsu World'
>Madara's 'Unwittingly Becoming a Common Enemy.'
>Gendo's 'Human Instrumentality'
>Rau Le Creuset's 'Destroy everything'
>Kira Yamato's 'Overpower everything with a badass Gundam and SEED mode.'

>>139666185
Zeon is only answer

>>139660802
009 Re Cyborg

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>>139666230
Gas the Oldtypes. Space War now.

can we let them have an army agains? if they when in 50 years from swords to a world power we can have functional giant robot really soon maybe in 5 to 10 years

>>139666185
What about Gundam Unicorn's 'Let's talk to everyone on earth at once?'

>>139666342
Too many conspiracy theorists would cry fake or reference project blue-beam.

The rest of the people that believe it would go to war with the people that didn't believe it.

>>139666330
Japan is a pacifist country. There is no problem with having an army, in fact the US has very much begged the Japanese to fucking increase their numbers and change laws. The general public is what's holding Japan back in this case because they don't want this.

George Bush was a fun president and the years he reigned were fun

come at me

>>139665974
>muh Soviets are what did it !!!

>>139666420
>Japan is a pacifist country
Not by choice. If we let Japan do their thing, they are the batshit craziest motherfuckers on the planet, bar none. Japan is like a caged monster, and let's hope it stays that way.

>>139666420
This is actually true.

We've been asking japan to rebuild its military for the past 10 years. They've done little to nothing on that front, and I doubt they will for at least another 10 years, or until their shiny robot mechs become a reality.

>You will never be WW2 commie with a harem of comfort Fräulein serving you beer
>You will never be WW2 American soldier with 10 brown comfort Okinawans making you delicious okonomiyaki
>You will never be a WW2 Nip with a mixed harem of cute comfort Koreans and Chinese women in Chinese dresses serving you kimchi

Why even live?

>>139666470
That's really not true. They're very much by choice pacifist now, the US actually quickly realized that it would be against their interests to not let them have a proper army. To be fair, the JSDF not being an army is a mere meme at this point. The problem really is the Japanese population that is entirely anti war.

>>139666180
>in an already stressful society with a crazy work culture
This is the only part you were on the point with. Their culture is strict, but it has worked for them. With women being taken out of the living place, the nips find it difficult to make time for making and raising children. Also, now women aren't even interested because they have a hard time dealing with the stress that comes with living a man's life. They are literally disinterested in fulfilling their roles as females because they have decided to do what they were not meant to to.

>>139666578
>They're very much by choice pacifist now
The younger generation, yeah. But they are still Japanese, and we know how fucking crazy they are if given the opportunity.

>>139666559
Have fun getting killed by a sniper half a mile away, or getting mowed down by the MG hidden in the building, or blown up by the dive bomber/artillery.

>>139666470
The Japanese public really doesn't want to do anything with war. Their government's OTOH, is really obviously bitter that the JSDF is a joke.

>>139649700
Take a shot at the king, you better not miss.

>>139645553
>peace achieved by overpowering others isn't real peace

Seems real enough. Japan hasn't even remotely been a threat to the U.S. since the end of WWII, and our relations with them are excellent despite us assraping them with nukes and firebombs. Same goes Germany. And remarkably, both ended up far better off post war (eventually) than they ever were during the conflict or prior to it, so they should thanks the victors.

>peace achieved through mutual trust and understanding

Name one fucking conflict that was resolved long term that way. They don't exist. All peace has been achieved by either A) one side gets utterly rekt by the other, and surrenders as a way to say "please don't kill all of us", or B) both sides get so wore down from a war of attrition that any victory would be a pyrrhic victory, and they mutually agree that it's not worth continuing and negotiate peace. There's never a cumbaya campfire fun time with smores and beer like you seem to think there is. That doesn't happen.

Mutual trust and understanding can come AFTER peace is achieved, but it never happens during active conflicts.