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Evangelion 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo

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i just watched this for the first time, and i'm wondering if it's possible to fuck up a story more. 1.0 and 2.0 were pretty good, which left me unprepared for the shitfest that this was
where were the fucking evas
why were none of the characters acting like themselves
what the hell were they thinking with those cringy """"""""fights""""""""
And god damn that autistic SUOOPER SPACE LASERZ BATTLESHIP
what the fuck anno.
1.0 was a good revising of the beginning of NGE, and had some subtle differences which point to the rebuilds being sequels
2.0 was deviating from the original storyline, but it was well made

and then this garbage tier fuckery comes along and ruins everything. it made no sense, was cringy, pointless, and completely infuriating.
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>>139636609
hell, this didn't feel, look, or in any way resemble evangelion except for a few character names and the fact that it had, occasionally, some robots.
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>>139636609
>""""""""
Fuck off with this garbage.
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2 bad you cant redo it hahaa
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>>139636801
go shove the spear of longinus up your ass
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Rebuild Shinji was transported to another universe. Kaworu is the only constant of all timelines.
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>tl;dr HOW DARE THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT

every 3.0 critic ever
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>>139636994
no anon, it was shit. i knew it was a sequel, so i expected a new story, but this was shit. it just copied from every shitty mecha anime and none of the good ones. the fucking flying spaceship is the worst part.
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Careful not to fall into the Jar Jar Binks syndrome. After seeing the Phantom Menace, audiences had a hard time processing what they just saw, but Jar Jar was something concrete they could point at and say "this is everything wrong with this movie". You need to dig in deeper, Plinkett style.
https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI?list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D

With regards to Eva, you have to look past that they chose to change things. Instead, focus on how they took these risks in changing important things to the brand but they ended up losing the bet. It's possible for them to have made these controversial changes, but to have done it in an effective way worthy of praise. Instead they shit the bed.
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>>139637222
yes yes, but the flaws are obvious. the whole flying aircraft carrier thing is a cliche in a lot of mecha anime, and it just doesn't belong. the whole movie felt like it could've been a decent finale to a bigger movie, barring shinjis being woken up. they changed too much for shock factor. Changing the characters personalities without any explanation or reason was just bad writing, and no being mad at shinji does not count as a reason.
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>>139637222
another thing is, eva is supposed to be thoughtful which this movie was not. just flashing lights, colors, and incoherent yelling with the name EVANGELION stamped on it
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>>139637032
> sequel
It directly follows on from EOE you mongoloid.
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>>139637379
>>139637346
>just bad writing
Yes. People are still coming to terms with this.
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>>139636994
Nah the movie was complete shit. They clearly scrapped what they had and completely rewrote it for some reason, and so it's completely disconnected from the rest of the movies. The time skip serves no purpose whatsoever and every other character apart from Shinji is completely ignored.

It's a terrible movie, and even worse when you consider it's supposed to be the 3rd in a series of 4 films. It doesn't advance the plot at all and you're left holding your dick in hand waiting for 4.0 to possibly make it make sense in retrospect.

Honestly I think Anno just lost his passion for the project half way through and said 'Fuck it'
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>>139637429
that's what i meant you nigger
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>>139637520
i really liked 1.0 and 2.0, they were incredible additions to the story. that made the dogshit that is 3.0 all the more mind boggling
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>>139637614
> implying 3.0 didn't have the best credit song
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>>139637520
Characterization is one of the most critical areas of failure.
>Shinji's character development is reset and his heroism at the end of 2.22 that we cheered for is pissed on.
>Rei from 1.11 and 2.22, the one Shinji was supposed to have saved when he last saw her isn't in the film. There is a clone with a reset personality.
>Shikinami who got fucked over for screen time in 2.22 and who was never established to be more than some cliche tsundere is now a 28 year old woman, still lusting after the child dick of 14 year old Literally-Worse-Than-Hitler who she knew for a month 14 years ago.
>Misato is now Gendo 2.0 because of SYMBOLISM.
>Mari continues to waste screen time for no reason other than merchandising.
Gay piano was okay.
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>>139637822
yeah, gay piano was alright
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I recently finished the original show and End of evangelion

My question is, is it worth watching the 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 movies or is it just a waste of time?
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>>139636609
Do you have any coherent criticism too?
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>>139638140
2.0 is awesome, you could skip straight to it since 1.0 is almost identical to the first six episodes of the series.
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>>139638140
What did you think of it, anon?
Sorry I can't answer your question because I haven't seen the rebuild movies.
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>>139638140
Whether or not something is "worth watching" is subjective. That said, NGE/EoE is considered "must watch" for anyone on /a/ who doesn't want to be an embarrassment. The Rebuilds are not.
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>>139638140
You have to watch 1.0 and 2.0, they're not only the continuation of the series, see pic related, they're masterpieces.

3.0, on the other hand, i don't even consider to actually exist
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>>139637429
How do the Rebuilds directly follow on from EOE? Is it when he's going through instrumentality?
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>>139636609
>1.0 and 2.0 were pretty good

No they weren't.

>1.0 was a good revising of the beginning of NGE

No, they fucked up Shinjis character. He was way less relateable because they had to make a whole movie out of 6 episodes. Some stuff wasn't included making everything fell more superficial. It had less impact than the original, not because it was doing the same stuff but because it was doing the same stuff worse.

>2.0 was deviating from the original storyline, but it was well made

It was ruined the characters making them caricatures of their former selves. The whole thing seemed like they just put in a lot of fanservice without thinking about what they are doing. They also included Mari.

Also, CG. The Rebuilds are all shit.

>>139638381
>they're masterpieces.

Now that's just shitposting.
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>>139638140
>>139638381
see pic related
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>>139638402
you and i clearly did not watch the same movies. barring mari, the rebuilds 1.0 and 2.0 are fantastic
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>>139638317
I thought it was fantastic, loved the characters and chemistry between them and ended nicely in EoE. I don't have any real complaints.
>>139638335
I just didn't want to spend 5 hours of time on movies that people have mixed opinions about
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>>139638452
1.0 and 2.0 are about 3 1/2 hours combined
don't watch 3.0 unless you want to be disgusted
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>>139638439
No they are not.
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>>139638494
look man, i know you've got the nostalgia goggles telling you anything new made is inherently shit, but that's wrong
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>>139638538
How is it nostalgia if I watched the Rebuilds right after the original?

They suck, now shut the fuck up or make some proper arguments.
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>>139638493
well what's the point of watching 1.0 if its just a remake of the first 6 episodes, and what's the point of watching only 2.0 if it sets up a story not worth continuing. It seems like a all or nothing deal for me.
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>>139638384
It's post tang. Hence the blood on the moon, the outlines of the MP evas in 1.0, a few others and, most notably, kaworu's "this time I'll make you happy".
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>>139638584
I watched them right after the originals too, i think they're great
you think they suck, i think they're great, neither of us is going to change the others mind. lets just drop it
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>>139637520
>>139637822

The movie tells us that the whole "ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWER"-attitude popular in anime doesn't work in reality, and no matter how good your intentions are, no matter how hard you try, you're going to end up fucking up sooner or later. And no one's going to pat your back and pity you for it. That's a bitter lesson for neckbeard shut-ins, but don't worry anon, it's not the end of the world.
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>>139638452
The mixed opinions regarding the first two Rebuild films would be the change in focus from long form creatively budgeted story telling to what are mostly action films. There is an Asuka in the film, for example, but in comparison no time is taken to develop her character. The two films are about Shinji, Rei and action scenes. Practically nothing else.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing. It's just not NGE, which is where any disagreement would come from.
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>>139638621
I rewatch evangelion reularly, so rewatching the first six episodes was not an issue i guess
they are not the exact same, the angels are slightly different and something happens which changes the fate of the story halfway in, but doesn't come to fruition until the next movie
2.0 is just a great story and should be watched regardless of 3.0 being shit. 3.0+1.0 will probably ignore or overwrite 3.0 anyway seeing how much hate it recieved
and it's just a few hours, just watch them and form your own opinion
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>>139638712
Ok, thanks for the help, I'll watch them soon. At least I know what to expect
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>>139638646
Alright but I hope you realize that people who can't even argue for why they think a movie is good are plebs.
It's not even about changing the others minds. A discussion can lead to a better understanding of the topic and it's qualities.
I just want to know what makes the Rebuilds good.
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>>139638712
>>139638775
For now, you can scan through this pic to get a sense of Eva 1.11's content.
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>>139638795
I thought the rebuilds had added character growth for rei and shinji, 2.0 showed shinji having an even more intense mental breakdown than NGE. some things were left out, some things were added. people who really liked the things that were not shown in the rebuilds, such as asukas character growth and certain angels, would have a hard time liking them.
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>>139638795
They look pretty and offer an alternative way the series could have played out.
Whether the choices they made are good or bad is up to you.

It does look damn good, though.
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>>139636652
I thought it resembled Evangelion moreso then the other two movies, especially in its first half, right around the moment Shinji arrives at Nerv.

Fell apart in the in the latter half with the excessive amount of action scenes though.

>>139637222
JarJar was going to be a sith lord responsible for all of the shit that lead to the Star Wars series in what would be the biggest twist since Vader's reveal, but it was canned due to fanbacklash from fans, if rightly so since Lucas did go overboard with it.

Anno is actually doing something similar with Rebuild. The twists have already been posted on /a/ numerous times before and some of the clues are blatant, but most of the anons here are in complete denial of it since it goes against most of their pandering wishes and desires. It's going to literally ruin Evangelion for most of them though, since it's just devolved into waifushit shortly after NGE's initial release either way.
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>>139637822
>Shinji's character development is reset and his heroism at the end of 2.22 that we cheered for is pissed on.

>people still think it was some act of heroism or Shinji finally growing a pair
>implying this wasn't leading up to a disaster from the very start since Shinji fucking triggered third impact

>Rei from 1.11 and 2.22, the one Shinji was supposed to have saved when he last saw her isn't in the film. There is a clone with a reset personality.

I'm beginning to wonder if Rei Q actually has a small portion of Rei's soul now.

>Shikinami who got fucked over for screen time in 2.22 and who was never established to be more than some cliche tsundere is now a 28 year old woman, still lusting after the child dick of 14 year old Literally-Worse-Than-Hitler who she knew for a month 14 years ago.

Combination of wanting to find relationships with those who are some nonhuman freak like her, as well as latent parental yearnings, and Shinji fills that void, which she mistakes for love instead.

>Misato is now Gendo 2.0 because of SYMBOLISM.

A combination of symbolism and Misato having conflicted feelings about Shinji, since she most likely knows what he truly is.

>Mari continues to waste screen time for no reason other than merchandising.

Double agent working for Nerv and IPEA/Seele. Likely already an immortal kid who's probably into her 20's at the start of 2.0. Read the extra manga chapter for more clues.
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>>139639347
What about the theory that mari is asuka Langley shoryu's kid based on the picture of all the mothers?
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>>139639401
It's most likely bullshit.

>based on the picture of all the mothers?
Confused about what you're getting at here. You mean the photo of Yui from 3.0? Please explain further.
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>>139636652
Believe it or not, this is Anno's goal to destroy Eva with the Rebuild movies. It's a stupid goalpost that explains the poor quality of the narrative.
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>>139639441
Not really.

He doesn't want to destroy Eva, rather he wants it to become malleable like Gundam. If anything, he wants to destroy the old Eva by getting rid of its stale characters and setting, for which I don't blame him. You can only rehash the same plot concepts and characters for so long.
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>>139639436
I think that's the one. Just a theory I read on /a/ ages ago
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>>139639494
>wanting to turn a masterpiece into some casual shit
and a third atomic bomb was needed
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>>139639494
you are fucking insane if you truly believe that. Ever since end of eva he has been out to ruin eva. everything since then is just a giant middle finger to the fans because he hates the stupid otakus that made him so famous.
I can't wait for his new godzilla to do something so inexplicably stupid that even the die hard Anno fans have no excuse for it. Like godzilla shedding a tear or something.
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>>139639494
>he wants to destroy the old Eva by getting rid of its stale characters and setting
>You can only rehash the same plot concepts and characters for so long
Ironic considering that 3.33 is a shallow caricature of the original Eva turning everyone and everything into exacerbated parodies of their former selves.
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>>139639595
if this really is true, he's a massive faggot
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Never seen any of the NGE series, but it seems like shit.
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>>139639683
Rebuild as a whole is a shallow caricature period.

Final needs to come out and anally devastate the fans while providing satisfying endings for the characters instead of pulling some half-baked shit like the manga did. That's the only proper way to end it.
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>>139639885
The only proper way to end it is to make it so garbage even the apologists will realize it's crap and die of shame after putting money into it.
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>>139640112
That too.
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>>139638664
No one would care if that were the message if it were actually delivered halfway decently. It doesn't even try to deliver that, you have to interpret it for yourself.
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>>139639885
>Providing satisfying endings for the characters.
But that's impossible already.
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>>139636609
I believe what happened was a Lucas; Evangelion was great because it was a culmination of several distinct intelligent people working on it, under one focused director.

Then Anno became all powerful, nobody questioned and the equivalent of the prequels happened again,
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>>139637822
This.

The subtle ways they absolutely ruined characters is 3.33's greatest crime. Pic related
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>>139638635
...Tang?

pls no bully
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>>139641229
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>>139641257
Much obliged for the explanation anon
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>>139638301
>2.0 is awesome
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>>139639347
>I'm beginning to wonder if Rei Q actually has a small portion of Rei's soul now.
Maybe they are just linked.
Kaworu mentions something about her soul being somewhere else.
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>>139639347
maria is askua from the first time line with a dye job
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>>139636609
>i just watched this for the first time
>he didn't keep refreshing /a/ until the cam rip came out
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>>139638414
neat concept.
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>>139639578
>and a third atomic bomb was needed

Finally, we have proof.
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>it's good because it insulted the fans who liked confident Shinji

nah, fuck anyone who says this
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>>139639347
>since she most likely knows what he truly is.

...a really mistreated, broken child?
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>2016
>peeps still getting mad over the crappy reboot

It's just entertainment. Just treat it like Bayformers.
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>>139636609
>why were none of the characters acting like themselves

How? Misato still felt responsible for Shinji and didn't actually punish him. Asuka was justified in being pissed of as usual, because circumstances are fucking her up

>2.0 [...]well made

Sure, if you prefer Guren Lagann over NGE
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>>139636609
>>139636652
We know, 3.0 was absolute fucking garbage.
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>>139647026
>Sure, if you prefer Guren Lagann over NGE
>not liking 3.0

Enjoy being a beta cuck, faggot
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>>139639021
>I thought it resembled Evangelion moreso then the other two movies

No you didn't. You only parrot that dumb retardation because you're a butthurt fanboy who doesn't know shit about Evangelion.
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>>139638402
>>139638494
>>139641699

Butthurt Asukafag shippertard detected.

1.0 and 2.0 were fine.
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>>139641050
You can't really compare them like that, not 100% anyway.

The Rebuilds might be crappy and nonsensical, but there's a method and logic to the madness.

With Lucas, it was just poor form and lack of execution that made it feel and be wonky.

With Anno, he's got the power now and he has no one to hold him back, so he just does whatever he wants.

What Anno wants is to shit on characters like Rei and pump up characters like Asuka, because Asuka's enemy in the franchise is Rei in more ways than one.
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>>139648380
>muh Anno agenda
Textwall kun please leave
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>>139648189
Rei x Shinji shipperfag detected.

1.0 was fine only because it was the series.
2.0 was garbage waifufagging shit about Shinji trying to get his dick into Rei.
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>>139646116
>nah, fuck anyone who says this

We need to fuck them all to death!
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>>139636609
Eva was garbage to begin with so any deviation from it is an improvement.

You just have shit taste and you fill your rant with buzzwords to get free Likes on /a/book.
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>>139649322
Still shitposting.
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>>139644812
i wanted to wait for the years when it actually happened. I didn't watch end of eva until actual third impact day
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>>139648811
>2.0 was garbage waifufagging shit about Shinji trying to get his dick into Rei.

This is what butthurt Asukafags say because they're afraid of that scenario, since it more or less invalidate their entire fandom.
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>>139649322
>eva was garbage
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>>139649388
lol kill yourself shitposter.
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>>139648811
>asuka shipfags still butthurt 20 years later
this is a ride i hope never ends
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>>139648811
>Shinji saves Asuka in NGE
Totally OK, no problem says Rei/Misato/Kaworu fans

>Rei saves Shinji
Totally OK, no problems says Asukafans or anyone else

>Rei saves Asuka
Totally OK, except some butthurt Asuka fans

>Shinji saves Rei in some movie spinoff
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! HOW DARE SHINJI SAVE REI OR EVEN TRY??!!
-Asuka fans ca. 2009

Can't you just hide your filthy shipper butthurt a LITTLE bit?
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>>139649520
Eva literally appeals to 14 year olds.
It's full of edge and angst masquerading as depth. It's the ultimate tween anime, even if the people who watched it back in the day have grown up.

Show it to any modern 14 year old and they'll think it's the coolest fucking thing they've seen since DmC.
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>>139649682

>That'sBullshit.jpeg
>Checks
>Who put's a 14-year-old in a stragetic mech?
>ICan'tHandleTheTruth.jpeg
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>>139649682
14 year old will like it for different reasons than a 24 year old. a 14 is watching it because they think the fights are cool, the angels are cool, the girls are hot, etc. but when you get older you realize the point of the show was very different from that. it's a study of the human soul. In fact, the 14 year olds watching it are part of the show in the sense that they are part of the experiment on human behaviour
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>>139649451
>All Asukafags are shippers
L2 grammar and kill yourself.
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>>139649682
>Show it to any modern 14 year old and they'll think it's the coolest fucking thing
You do realize a lot of people think eva is boring right?
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>>139649788
they had to, when the evas were made, the pilots had to be conceived at the same time. this was explained, it wasn't just a random reason. they had to be perfect matches with the evas
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>>139649832
>defensive Asukafag
Looks like I hit the nail.
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>>139649832
>>139649928
both ship fagging and antiship fagging is really stupid when it comes to eva. the characters aren't meant to be waifu bait, they're complex people who all have flaws and merits
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>>139649827
I refuse to believe this post is supposed to be serious.

I refuse to believe people can be this much of a faggot.
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>>139650019
>they're complex people
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>>139650038
I could say the same thing to you. my answer was well thought out and reasonable. it wasn't blind nostalgiafagging or, in your case, blind hatred. the one who rages about shows other people like is the faggot
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>>139650087
>Rules: /a/
>1.All images and resulting discussion should pertain to anime or manga
>All images
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>>139650019
Antiship is never stupid.
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>>139650207
you both rage about the same thing, you're acting like kids
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>>139650250
Not the same thing, one tries to take things seriously (anti-ship) whilst shipper retard Asukafags only exist because they get off to doujins.
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>>139650184
>they're complex people
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>>139650104
>my answer was well thought out and reasonable.
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I'm not asking to be spoonfed about what it is, I just want to know if
>""""""""fights""""""""
Is /a/, or some shitty crossboard meme.
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>>139648811
>people STILL believe 2.0 was waifufag pandering when that's exactly the kind of trap that Anno set up for the fans to take in

>people STILL believe that Asuka and Rei were having a catfight to vy for Shinji's love because they had crushes on Shinji, not because they're both two confused teenagers who're mistaking parental wants with romance

>people STILL believe that Shinji wanted his dick in Rei despite all of the vaguely weird platonic shit and cues going on in their relationship, with Shinji becoming increasingly protective and parental while Rei becomes increasingly childlike and needy

>people STILL believe that Shinji rescuing Rei at the end of 2.0 was an act of fanservice or the kid finally growing a pair and not realizing that it's a direct reflection of how eva unit 01 went berserk to protect Shinji's ass

This fanbase is fell right into Anno's fanservice trap that he's all set up for you and yet after all these years, people still fall for it.
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>>139636609
>1.0 and 2.0 were pretty good

Kek
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>>139650512
>>139650547
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>all these gigantic fags trying to pretend anything about Eva is deep or complex
Holy shit I'm suddenly remembering why Evafags and /a/ are both so insufferable.

/m/ hates everything but at least they don't delude themselves into thinking Eva was anything deep or meaningful.
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>>139650590
Asukafags paint it that way because they're 90% shipper idiots.
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>>139650586
i picked it up from /a/, i don't know if it came from another board or not
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>>139650674
what do you like then?
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>>139650674
shouldn't you be paying attention to school kid
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>>139650756
I like Eva. I just don't pretend it's deep.

It's for robot fights, Rule 34, and acid. Not complex characters.
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>>139650721
All ____fags paint it that way because the fanbase devolved into a cesspool of waifufaggotry and shipping wars years ago.

Even Reifags were bragging that Rei was going to win the Shinjibowl thanks to 2.0 back in the day as well, for example.

The truth is that the waifufags are in for the worst awakening imaginable, Anno has his hate set out on them for sure with these movies.
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>>139650822
>i don't like shows to have deeper undertones so i pretend that they weren't there on purpose
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>>139636609
I'm starting to believe that people who disliked 3.33 genuinely have autism.
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>>139650921
Whatever you say, triggered /a/babby. I bet you slit your wrists to MCR, too.
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Okay, but how the fuck did Kaworu get that grand piano into NERV?
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>>139651123
>MCR
only faggots who go on tumblr should even know who that is. i only know because my sister is a full on tumblr SJW
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>>139651405
nanomachines
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>>139651405
Third impact did it
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>>139651405
He made it?
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>>139651465
>i was only pretending to be retarded
fuck you anno
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the ending of Eva was such shit that i just dropped the series entirely. i didn't even watch the movies.
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>>139651699
The movies are the ending though
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>>139651699
i did this too, it was a mistake. the endings make everything better
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>>139651405
>Kaworu's piano in Evangelion 3.0 is a Yamaha Yamaha CF III, which has its last production run in September of 2000
2deep4me
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>>139651405
It was all part of the plan with Nerv and Seele supporting the idea since they want the two to synchronize for evangelion 13 and the inevitable impact.
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1.0 was okay.

2.0 was fucking pandering dogshit with only one good fight. I have never been more angry at an anime film than I was when I watched it.

3.0 tried to return to what made Evangelion great but fucked it up with poor directing and a bad script and turned out shit.

1.0 >>> 3.0 >>>>>>>>> 2.0
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>>139650822
what do you mean "its not deep" though, did you see what everything meant when it popped up or do you think there was nothing related to any of the "deep" stuff happening in Eva?
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>>139639021
>Fell apart in the in the latter half with the excessive amount of action scenes though.
The entire movie has excessive action.
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>>139651747
>The movies are the ending though
>>139651786
>i did this too, it was a mistake. the endings make everything better
people keep telling me this, but even years later that ending still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

maybe one day i'll give it a chance.
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I can't wait for all you non-believers to eat your words when 3.0 + 1.0 comes out, confirms timeloops, explains how 3.0 was a prequel to 1.0 all along, and runs the original 3.0 trailer again but this time labeled 4.0


You will come to regret your words and deeds
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>>139641050
Though Lucas always retconned the previous film with flashy yellow text. This happened already during the OT.
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>>139651924
I will be even more angry if timeloops are confirmed. That shit is stupid.
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>>139651924
I'm just looking forward to waifufags finally killing themselves
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>>139651924
Timeloops are pretty much confirmed now, but that's not the only cuhrazy twist going for Rebuild anymore. If anything it's tame compared to the Shinji=FAR analyses and all of the fucked up theories surrounding it.

>>139651924
>>139651993
It's going to be glorious.
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>>139651985
They pretty much already were with the manga ending.

Just let go, anon.
Enjoy Anno's wild ride.
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>>139650899
>All ____fags paint it that way because the fanbase devolved into a cesspool of waifufaggotry and shipping wars years ago.
Nope. Only Asukafags.

Back in the day, for every thread you'd find about "omg rei wond da shinjibowl", you'd get two threads complaining about it from Asukafags. Not only that, "rei wonda etcc" is pretty much board culture and doable by even non-shippers.

But complaining about it, is not.

The truth is that Asukafags are cancer and always have been.

You're also wrong about Anno, he's an Asukafag himself.
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>>139652117
Fine, as long as they make no explicit connections to the original series, Rebuild can have it's own retardation if it wants.
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>>139651829
Butthurt Asukafag detected. You're the reason the fanbase stinks, people like YOU and YOU alone.

>>139651924
>hurr durr
We have imagination and imagined that since fucking 1.0. It sounds retarded today, and you can fuck off.
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>>139652117
>anno
>anon
>instrumentality was meant to remove individuality and self image
>mfw 4chan is the instrumentality project
>mfw i have no face
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>>139649928
>defensive
Shipfaggotry is cancer and toiletfags exxaggerate the preeminence of it among Asukafags to make us look bad. Like you're doing now. Fuck off.
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>>139651410
Sure, sure, whatever you say.
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>>139652103
>>139651924
So would this mean the actual chronology will be:

3.0 -> 3.0+1.0 -> [TIMELOOP] - > 1.0 -> 2.0 -> 4.0

Because I always found it fucking weird how Kaworu lances Eva 01 pretty quickly but the entire Earth is still ravaged in 3.0, and it being a previous loop where he arrived late or something would really explain that shit.
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>>139652276
Oh look who's talking, it's the asukafag autist who gets banned 300 times a day and still ban evades aftewards.

You're the best examples that Asukafans are irreparably retarded.
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>>139638690
Honestly, over all, the Rebuilds are a better series if you just assume they're a sequel and take all of the character development from the original series and put it there.
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>>139652103
>but that's not the only cuhrazy twist going for Rebuild anymore
They are going to try to replicate previous ending as hard as possible with something no one expects.
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>>139652203
>for every thread you'd find about "omg rei wond da shinjibowl", you'd get two threads complaining about it from Asukafags
Haha, no.
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>>139652259
Pretty sure the "3.0 is a prequel, and 3.0+1.0 is a pun on 3.0 TO 1.0" theory wasn't around when 1.0 came out, fampai

>>139652321
Correct
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>>139651465
>"I chose the name because it sounds complicated"
And yet delusional Evafags will still convince themselves that Eva is supposed to be meaningful.
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>>139652369
>posts a picture filled with Asukafags
Game over, Asukafag.
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>>139652103
>If anything it's tame compared to the Shinji=FAR analyses and all of the fucked up theories surrounding it.


u wot m8

I'm gonna need an explanation
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>>139652403
Those are clearly shipping Reifags in that image, anon. Even worse, they're mocking Asukafags as "losers".
Cancer.
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>>139652369
You realize everyone knows that those posters are 80% Asukafags complaining about everything from the manga?

Because
>reifags praising re-take
>reifags criticizing the manga for shipping rei and shinji
>reifags criticizing rei

isn't reifag talk.

Nice try, but I think everyone knows that those are Asuka fans, not Rei fans for the most part.

>>139652395
>Pretty sure the "3.0 is a prequel, and 3.0+1.0 is a pun on 3.0 TO 1.0" theory wasn't around when 1.0 came out, fampai
Pretty sure the sequel theory was around.
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>>139651864
What I mean is that it's just a bunch of angsty animu characters and a bunch of random symbolism that was only meant to look/sound cool, as confirmed by Anno himself here; >>139651465
For something to be deep it needs to make you think and question things. Eva is just a fucking anime. It shouldn't make anyone who isn't a shallow tweenager think or question anything other than what's happening in the convoluted plot.
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>>139652455
>Those are clearly shipping Reifags in that image, anon.
Uh-huh.

Now explain why they're saying Re-Take is good, and saying that the shipping isn't good, then.
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>>139652203
I'm an Asukafag and I enjoyed the ending of 2.0. It was quite beautiful
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>>139652466
And the sequel theory would be a seperate theory that just happens to involve the timeloops as well, senpai
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>>139652331
>muh boogeyman
Reifags are scared stiff of any remotely hostile Asukafag. Hilarious.
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>>139652466
>>139652504
>samefagging and blatantly lying about a picture
Are you so embarrassed of your own kind you have to lie like this? Wow.

You have Reifags saying Asukafags lost and laughing about it in that image.
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>>139652455
see >>139652466

>reifags praising re-take
>reifags criticizing the manga for shipping rei and shinji
>reifags criticizing rei

and also

>reifags mocking shinji/rei as a trainwrecky incest quest

>>139652523
>"That just happens"
That's all there is fampai.
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>>139652564
Anyone with eyes can read that image themselves and see all the Reifags there.
You lying and cherrypicking one post won't change that.
The evidence that Reifags are cancer is there for all to see.
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>>139652455
>>139652558
>lying about an image

Nigga, there's more Asukafags in that image bitching than there are Reifags being happy about it.

If we were to pick the most sensible ones, it's the Reifags still because they're still on-point admitting that they like Rei and shinji developing together in some of the posts.

But the posts deriding Rebuild, the manga etc.. for shipping? Asukafags, as always. There are more of those.
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>>139652479
Anno and the team picked the NAME because it sounded cool. This is also true of some of the crosses and trees of life and the like (though that serves its purpose in establishing tone). That's it. There's plenty of regular, non-religious symbolism with very clear meaning, and there are plenty of character interactions and story events with subtexual meaning that isn't necessarily clear on the first time through.

Though I don't know why I'm bothering here, seeing as you've written it off just for being an anime.
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>>139652634
Reifags don't ship they said
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>>139652369
Well, I guess you could say Reifags got what was coming to them with 3.0
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>>139652617
>ITS ONE POST
Its' several, and everyone with eyes can see how much of a failure Asuka fans are when they try to prove something.

Because in your quests to prove that "look, reifags ship too", you actually went and picked up the majority being ASUKAFAGS.

There are obviously ship-happy Reifags in the world and the fanbase, even here on /a/. But they are vastly outnumbered by Asukafags who ship, something that very image proves.
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>>139652683
The gift that keeps on giving!
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>>139652665
You won't be able to be logical with him, he's basically a woman trapped in a mans body
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>>139652369
>>139652683
>>139652617
>>139652558
It's been debunked as an Asukafag talking about shipping earlier.

Check the archives.

What happened here is that an Asukafag who desperately needed to show that Reifags "ship too", went in the archive and picked some shippy posts that talked about Rei/Shinji.

However, he actually picked out more Asukafags than Reifags, meaning that he managed to prove himself wrong in the process.

The number of Asukafags who ship greatly outnumber Reifags who ship, this is old news and can be reflected in everything from discussion, fanfics, doujins, fanart and more.

Asuka fans need to own up to the fact that they are cancer.
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>>139652736
The fag who kept on same-ing!
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>>139652736
She has a happy end in the dating sims and Campus Apocalyspe, doesn't she?
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>>139652791
>>139652369
The image does have Rei fans in it obviously, but the complainers and passive aggressive ones are Asuka fans.

Because Asuka fans are obsessed with shipping. Especially in the western fanbase, where they laud it as canon all day every day.
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Why are people discussing the different fanbases of the same franchise instead of the actual movie like the OP wanted to?
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>>139652884
Sure, but it doesn't really matter if she can't have one in the canon works.
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>>139652939
Campus Apocalypse specifically confirmed it and every other spinoff was in the same continuity as the original series
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>>139652936
Because Reifags are crazy butthurt
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We need to acknowledge that we have a problem. We have an Asukafag problem. We've had it for years and years, and it's getting tiresome.
The other parts of the fanbase aren't saints either, but recently there's been an outrage from Asukafans shitting up threads with pictures of toilets and abuse, getting banned over and over again just to return with a proxy.

It's enough already.

Basically everything bad and conflict-filled can be sourced down to Asuka fan bigotry, even within Anno himself in the post-Eva years.

Why is it that Asuka fans cannot for the life of them, take responsibility or act properly?

>>139652936
Because the movie isn't really a movie as much as it's gasoline on the flames that are waifu wars.
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>>139652936
Identity politics consume all and make everything worse.
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>>139652445
1.0:
>Gendo and Fuyustuki admit they're brainwashing Shinji so that he's more easy to control
>Gendo says that he has been planning Shinji and Rei's bond before either of them born, we later learn he did this to trigger the impact at the end of 2.0
>Kaworu can sense that Shinji can "awaken," whatever that means
>Seele agrees with Kaworu and claims that his awakening was written in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Only angels and seeds have their shit detailed in the Dead Sea Scrolls

2.0
>Literally makes unit 01 go berserk because he has a hissy fit
>fully synchronizes with unit 01 during this event, effectively BECOMING the eva unit
>starts shooting out lazer beams and forms a prosthetic AT field arm as if it was latent second nature to Shinji

3.0 is when the clues start coming together.
>Wille claims that Shinji can awaken evas at his will, implying that they are extensions of himself, like Kaworu to adam-based eva units and Rei to Lilith in NGE
>wears the DSS choker which literally stands for deification shutdown system, Kaworu comments that he was its previous wearer, that alone implies a lot
>responsible for third impact, with the failures of infinity being Shinji's equivalent to children
>neither Asuka or Kaworu refer to Shinji as a human/lilin, but rather as something nonhuman, because all of them are nonhuman
>Nerv kidnaps him because they know he's the key to the impacts and that they can't initiate instrumentality without him
>is perfectly fine walking on the red earth at the end of the movie, despite Asuka saying that the red earth's L-barrier was dangerous to lilin

Human my fucking ass.
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this thread is fucking awful
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>>139638414
Deepest lore.
Doesn't fix 3.0 still.
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>>139652936
>create thread to discuss the flaws of 3.0
>instead it becomes a shitflinging fest full of waifufags, antideepfags, shipperfags, and general choas
in retrospect i should have known better
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>>139653071
fuck man, you really don't get the point of either of the main girls characters. all this waifu/ship faggotry is not what was meant to be
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>>139636652
>robots
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>>139638690
You only disagree because you're a biased and bigoted Asuka fan.

Your kind has only brought conflict to the fanbase.
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>>139653105
>>139653161
I don't know for sure, but I think some new group of waifushitters joined the party some months ago and just insist on ruining every thread with their retarded meta horseshit.
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>>139653246
i couldn't really call them evas
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>>139653266
More like a few years ago.
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>>139653266
>months
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>>139653237
>fuck man, you really don't get the point of either of the main girls characters. all this waifu/ship faggotry is not what was meant to be

It wasn't meant to be, but it was anyway. Because of Asuka fans. The blame is solely theirs and no one elses.
Every fandom has their quarrels and points of disagreement, but this war of fanaticism has one source and one source only: Asuka fan bigotry.

>>139653246
>>139636652
They can be defined as robots.

Not the archetypical mechanical/metallic type, but robots nonetheless.

>>139653339
>>139653266
A few years? A FEW YEARS? Try for almost a fucking decade now, just here on /a/.
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>>139653071
>complains about thread quality
>derails anyway because you're astronomically butthurt
Reifags will never not be hypocrites of the highest order, masquerading as quality posters with "good of the threads" rhetoric.
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>>139653375
Things were significantly better several years back. People just stopped giving a shit after 3.0, then the faggots overwhelmed anyone who actually wanted to discuss anything and here we are now.
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>>139653082
I don't think everything you say is correct.

>Kaworu comments that he was its previous wearer, that alone implies a lot
Didn't he say something that it was originally created for him? Something along the lines of
>Lilin created it because they were afraid of me in the first place
So I'm not sure if he actually wore it before.

>is perfectly fine walking on the red earth at the end of the movie, despite Asuka saying that the red earth's L-barrier was dangerous to lilin
I think she said that Lilin can't detect them there because of the L-barrier so they had to move. I'm not sure about it being too dangerous. Though you do have a point in that Shinji was wearing some weird suit when he went out with Kaworu, but maybe that's because that place was actually dangerous for some reason, while the other wasn't?
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>>139653082
Fug, I need to rewatch 1.0 and 3.0 to confirm you're not bullshitting me because that is some STRONG evidence of him being inhuman
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>>139653426
Irresponsible and shitposting Asukafag detected.
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>>139653433
There is nothing legitimate to discuss about Rebuild and 3.33.

If you want an honest, adult conversation about Evangelion, you're only going to get butthurt Asukafags intervening because they only want escapism and waifu-war faggotry.
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>>139653439
He's distorting most points a bit.
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>>139653433
Discussion only gets better when new things arise, see the manga volumes when they were still runnin or the encoding threads. Otherwise things predictably stagnate as they always have. Take the Madoka threads, for example.

>>139653460
I'm so wounded by your adhom.
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>>139653375
>>139653357
>>139653339
Something has happened more recently. The threads are consistently more shit than they were a few months ago. Not that they've ever been consistently good good, but usually you could have a decent Eva thread once a week or so. Now it's all garbage.
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>>139653375
>Because of Asuka fans. The blame is solely theirs and no one elses.
>Every fandom has their quarrels and points of disagreement, but this war of fanaticism has one source and one source only: Asuka fan bigotry.
you're part of the problem if that's what you tihnk
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>>139653375
>They can be defined as robots.

>Not the archetypical mechanical/metallic type, but robots nonetheless.

Read:
>I'm going to change the definition of something that has long been established to fit my needs because I'm to stupid to learn a definition.
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>>139652936
Because most of the people on this website are butthurt, autistic losers.
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>>139653557
Do your part and tell the blatant redditors/newshits to lurk more and report people that break the rules.
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>>139653433
The potential for full out war has always been there.

Threads about Evangelion were better earlier because Asuka fans could be kept in check.

and no, unlike what >>139653540
says, the encoding threads are just as bad as these ones and not even a fraction of how good previous eva threads were.
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>>139653535
Only because you refuse to discuss it.

>>139653540
The quality of these threads now can not be accounted for by simple stagnation. That's to be expected, but what we have now is people who actively hate the show shitting up every thread. People like the anon I responded to above who simply refuse to discuss anything because "There's nothing legitimate to discuss." These faggot permeated these threads and destroyed any hope of discussion, turning Waifuwars into the only discussion left to be had, which obviously can go nowhere but down.
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>>139636609
Stop
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>>139653608
>the encoding threads are just as bad as these ones
No, they really aren't, and I don't see how you could possibly think otherwise.
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>>139653568
yeah, what i (OP) meant was to say that the evas in 3.0 didn't even act like evangelion units. i didn't even feel like i could use the name
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>>139653557
Recently it's because the Asukafag autist, AKA fireposter and many other names have been going on a rampage.

>>139653568
You can define a human as a "robot", as an adjective.

It's obvious the EVA's aren't traditional metal robots. They're giant cyborgs.
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>>139636652
we space pirates now
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>>139653661
it's not me
i didn't create this shitfest
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>>139653566
>you're part of the problem if that's what you tihnk
You're part of the problem if you aren't willing to acknowledge that there is an Asukafag problem.

Rather than forcing the bad part of the fanbase (Asuka fans) to calm down and act rationally, you keep pretending there isn't a problem and so the problem only gets worse.

This mess here is partly your fault.
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>>139653674
Posters who believe and give credence to such boogeymen are far worse.
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>>139653674
Robot is not an adjective it is ONLY a noun. Robotic is an adjective.

You stupid fuck.
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>>139653657
>Only because you refuse to discuss it.

No, you refuse to discuss it. You refuse to discuss it on terms that are fair and realistic.

You want to discuss Evangelion and Rebuild without understanding it.
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>>139636609
Let's dispel with this notion that 2.0 wasn't an absolutely fucking awful movie as well.
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>>139653657
I still chalk most of it up to stagnation and the inherent meta-talks that habiually follow but what you've posited doesn't lack merit, I just group it under stagnation as well. At the very least it's symptomatic of it.
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>>139653796
Sure is a lot of projection there. You're the one saying it's impossible to discuss it, and you're accusing me of not wanting to discuss it?

You're delusional and you're part of the problem.
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>>139653750
That's everyone except:

>the autistic shitposting Asukafag (YOU above all likelihood)
>maybe one Asukafag feeling his group is hurt by the collossal hatred everyone has for the autistic asukafag and asukafags in general
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>>139653722
>>139653674
You can't shout down shitposters. Even if you think that Asukafags are the only problem, engaging them and throwing around this rhetoric about how big of a problem only feeds the fire. If you just continue discussion as normal and report shitposters they will eventually leave. If you give them more material to shitpost with they will never go away.
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>>139653802
Anno knows exactly what he is doing.
He is undertaking a systematic effort to change eva.
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>>139653849
>>139653802
fuckin robots
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>>139653845
It takes just ONE idiot such as yourself to give the autistic asukafags hope and keep shitposting.

Continuing discussion as normal never, ever works because they are here to generate trouble.
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>>139653843
>Reifags, a handful of shitposting Kaworufags, a shipper and an obnoxious trip are suddenly everyone
Lebanon
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>>139653831
The summer before 3.0 was released was an example of stagnation. Low quality threads with nothing to talk about, all very boring and forced.

What we have now is far more than simple stagnation. It is people actively making things worse, and it's been a constant decline every year since 3.0 came out. Stagnation certainly plays a role, but it's hardly the largest factor in play here.
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>>139653838
I'm not part of the problem here.

When people discuss Evangelion, Rebuild, or any other fiction, they discuss every part of it. You have no doubt many theories, but the truth is that all of them are made irrelevant or shut down by the facts present.

It's been discussed to death, over and over, and the same conclusion is met: it cannot be taken seriously. There isn't anything you can legitimately discuss without ignoring half of the context.

Why can't you accept that? All you're doing by trying to discuss like that is generate conflict.


>>139653845
Listen, no. You don't know what you're talking about, or you're pretending to not know what's going on. We cannot have normal discussion because Asuka fans are literally triggered if you post pictures from the original NGE now.

They've been so deluded by fanservice and fanfiction that they can't accept what went on in NGE any more. You always, always get an Asukafag shitposter or two whenever we discuss NGE as it was.

Banning them doesn't work because they ban evade and come back literally seconds afterwards, shitposting about how mods "do it for free".
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>>139653925
And what do you believe is the chief catalyzing force for the threads shittiness, if any?
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>>139653895
Then report them, and if the mods don't do their jobs go bitch on /qa/. This stupid rhetoric about evil asukafags just makes you more enemies by establishing a false dichotomy. The enemy is not Asukafags, it's shitposters, no matter who they are.
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>>139654014
>Reifags purposely posting images to upset Asukafags is suddenly innocuous
Dindu nuffin again, huh?
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>>139654014
>Defending the tranny poster
Neck yourself, please.
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>>139654014
It has been discussed in an echo chamber where you either agree that it's shit, or you get shouted down. There has been no legitimate discussion since the generals, and that's absolutely pathetic.

Yes, you who decrees that it is impossible and not worthwhile to discuss a show on a discussion board, are the problem.
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>3.0 came out in 2012

4 years ago and there's still nothing of 4.0. 5.0 is going to come out and it's going to be about looking for the lost 4.0 movie
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>>139654036
Are you one of the people that shout #NotAllMuslims as well?

You know what, all you're doing by negating the problem by creating noise is making things worse. You must attack their beliefs as well, because obviously, it's the beliefs that make them shitpost.

You're delaying any efficient solution because you can't accept that - possibly your own group - is responsible for these atrocities. So yes, there's decent Asuka fans, but the group mentality of Asuka fans have been proven as toxic, delusional and detrimental to thread quality.

Even to fanbase quality, and arguably - the franchise itself.

These are hard questions that no doubt hurts people, but it's the truth and if you don't address it, nothing will ever be solve. You only prolong the situation and create more conflilct.
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>>139654135
Shit's not coming out.
There's not even news of progress.
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>>139654092
Reifags have been stooping to lower levels everyday, it seems. The hypocrisy and mock concern for thread quality makes it all the more nauseating.
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>>139654145
>comparing Asukafags to terrorists
Comedy gold.
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>>139654145
Breaking News: Local Reifag thinks his waifu is not just comparable to but equally as important as actual people actually dying.
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>>139654096
>It has been discussed in an echo chamber
Echo chamber? This isn't an echo chamber. This is a no restrictions made, free for all discussion arena where everyone can make good points and everyone can say whatever they want, to a certain limit decided by mods of course.

The consensus and hivemind of /a/, and nearly every fangrouping has reached the same conclusion. It has nothing legitimate to discuss, because at the end of the discussion you are still forced to accept that things don't work out with the theories, or that the theories are only avoiding the truth of the matter.

We can discuss Rebuild and Evangelion for what it is, and have real discussion.

...or, we can do what you say: have a farcical discussion where we pretend everything is all right despite how it isn't.

You are the problem for not accepting reality.
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>>139654269
>>139654232
Breaking news:

The comparison is something you made, not me - the principles are only what's addressed here. You made the comparison because you yourself know that Asuka fans are responsible for the shitposting that has been going on.
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>>139654182
>>139654092
>>139654084
>Fireposter on the defense again

Take a posting vacation, don't post on /a/, and you'll see the thread quality rise in your absence. It always does.
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>>139654022
2 Major factors: The hatebase and the waifufags.

People refuse to discuss Rebuild, as you can see in this thread itself. They complain that they don't understand it, but instead of trying to seek understanding, they throw their hands up and declare it's shit, leaving it at that. Whether you like the movies or not is one thing, but when it gets to the point where any and all discussion of them is met with everyone completely halting the discussion, crying about how shit it is, then you're left with no room for any discussion what-so-ever.

Even that wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that they bleed into every thread. A regular thread talking about the original show will inevitably have someone mention Rebuild, then the entire thread will be lot. It only takes a single person to mention it, and it's over. It's gotten to the point where it's impossible to discuss anything in the series because of this. Like you or someone else pointed out above, it's been getting shitter but at least there could be one good thread a week. This is a natural result of their actions; less and less discussion threads until no more exist.

And so, when it's impossible to discuss the show, that leaves only waifuwars. They used to be playful and simple, easily segregated from discussion threads, but over time they became more vitriolic and prolific. Now that waifu threads are virtually the only ones left, there's no breaks to cool off and the hatred just grows stronger and stronger. We're now at the point where all it takes is a throwaway "x girl a shit" and the entire thread is ruined. People have no self control and no respect. They'd rather sit around pointing fingers, yelling that the other side is shit and to blame for all the faults in these threads.

The result is that everyone suffers.
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What the fuck is going on this thread?
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>>139654339
>Makes a comparison
>Realizes the comparison is stupid
>NO YOUR THE ONE MAKING THE COMPARISON NOT ME
Pure gold. Keep digging.
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>>139654232
Arguably we do have radical Asukafags out to make things sour for everyone, even other Asuka fans who oppose them.

Take our local asukafag shitposter, he vehemently attacks ARK, Tang, and that other Asuka fan because they don't support him. Just like ISIS beheads other muslims because they won't join his "fight".

Holy hell this comparison is getting better and better, because our local autist Asukafag has actually claimed that he's a prophet on a holy war before in one of his sick rants.

Asukafags confirmed to literally be the terrorist scum of the eva fanbase.
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>>139654286
All I'm hearing here is excuses to not discuss a show on a discussion board.

If you do not want to discuss the show, then you're welcome to leave discussion threads alone. You're not contributing anything otherwise; all you're doing is shitposting.
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>>139654470
>don't make a comparison
>you people make the connection because I mentioned #notallmuslims once
>you make this connection and comparison because they are pretty much fucking alike, muslims and asukafags

I don't think the comparison is stupid either. It's fucking perfect because it describes the situation PERFECTLY.

One huge blob of waifufags who fight for their favorite character, and about half of them are part of supporting, enabling or agreeing with radical members of their group.
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eva

threads

were

a

mistake
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>>139654452
Yes please someone provide a recap I don't want to read and think on my own

But seriously this thread is lit af why the fuck is everyone so mad
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>>139654584
some eva threads are neat, like angels are assholes.

altough 99% of them are waifufags and shipperfags making eva seem like its a fucking romcom
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>>139654567
Anon, you just called these threads an "echo chamber" and you're butthurt because people don't give an ear to your theories, and that you don't get to discuss it your way.

You cry about people "shouting you down", and by now you should have understood that you're the one who's not wanted. You need to adapt, to understand what's going on.

I'm open to discuss Evangelion any time, and I do so frequently. But I'm not going to lobotomize myself and sink down on your level of discussion because you want to. Guess what, neither will the rest of /a/.

3.33, Rebuild and most of the spinoffs have huge problems with their stories, characters and plot developments. Talking about that IS discussing it.

NGE doesn't get the same kind of criticism from the fanbase because it did those things right.

The Evangelion discussion you want to have is fake. It's a farce. It's not discussion at all, it's make-believe.
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>>139654619

You are joking. There's so much forum drama
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>>139654619
>lit af

lurk more you fucking retard
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>>139654619
Asuka fan terrorism, hitting the threads, spreading controversy and attacking others.
It's escalated and the thread is about to burst.

It's dawning on people that we have been unable to carry good discussion for the last ten years, or discussion has been hampered due to intense shippingfaggotry among the fans.
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>>139654754
>It's dawning on people that we have been unable to carry good discussion for the last ten years
Everyone has always known that Eva threads are shit. This is not new. At all.
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>>139654389
>muh boogeyman
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>>139654452
Asuka made some really cute faces during this episode.
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>>139654692
Nobody's bringing any of that up but you.

>I'm open to discuss Evangelion any time,
If you were, then you would not be the one claiming that there's no discussion to be had. Nobody who actually wants discussion would declare all discussion worthless as you did.
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>>139650087
Nice /v/ reaction image faggot.
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>>139654428
>>139654022
>People refuse to discuss Rebuild, as you can see in this thread itself. They complain that they don't understand it, but instead of trying to seek understanding, they throw their hands up and declare it's shit, leaving it at that

WRONG.

You refuse to acknowledge the fact that it is shit, and the people who declare it shit understand it much, much better than you do.

Rebuild is by far the most discussed Evangelion entry in the past ten years, easily. Even more than the original.

We are suffering as thread participants because YOU refuse to accept reality. There have been more arguments that explain why Rebuild is "shit" than you can defend, and you still pretend Rebuild is all fine and dandy.

What exactly will it take for you to discuss the matter as an adult?
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>>139654493
>prophet on a holy war
So now you're just making shit up?
And ARK is cancer anyhow and a gurofag to boot, who gives a fuck? Reifags literally defending trips.
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>>139654884
>Whether you like the movies or not is one thing, but when it gets to the point where any and all discussion of them is met with everyone completely halting the discussion, crying about how shit it is, then you're left with no room for any discussion what-so-ever.
You really like to assume quite a lot. You're really just giving credence to what I said.
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>>139654869
>Nobody's bringing any of that up but you.
see >>139654096
>It has been discussed in an echo chamber where you either agree that it's shit, or you get shouted down.

So your words, not mine. Assuming it is you since I've been discussing coherently with one person so far. Even if it isn't', it's the same notion that you bring up in your posts so the point stands.

I'm willing to discuss it any time. I've arguably analyzed it, discussed it and filtered through it more than you have.

But I, or /a/ in general, is not willing to humour your insane theories that just don't work.
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>>139654625
Overrated as fuck that only seems good when compared to the usual Eva thread. It needed to be said.
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>>139654983
I'm not giving you credence.

We have discussed Rebuild. It's been several years now, we've gone as deep as we can go and we do have a good conclusion. Not a single thing you have can disprove what has already been proven.

Why are you denying everything that has been laid forward so far?
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>>139654860
They were still trying to pass it off as a cartoony show.
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>>139654930
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/138968230/#138978679

literally the second result besides that other post ITT that said it.

Asukafags are insane. Just look at how many times he was banned in that thread alone, the Asukafag.
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>>139654991
You're the only one talking about insane theories. I haven't said a single thing about whether I like the movie or not.

The problem at hand is you saying
>There is nothing legitimate to discuss about Rebuild and 3.33.
That is you declaring that there is nothing to discuss. That directly contradicts the idea that you're willing to discuss it at any time. If you were, then you wouldn't sit here saying "Nope it's not possible to discuss it."

You're the only one bringing up insane theories or anything of the sort as justification for why you don't want to discuss it. You're absolutely insane.
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>>139655065
>we've gone as deep as we can go
And there you go again, throwing up excuses for why you don't want to discuss anything.
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>>139655113
Seems to me like he was referring to Reifags panic over the fictional entity known as fireposter.
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>>139655125
>You're the only one talking about insane theories. I haven't said a single thing about whether I like the movie or not.

Insane theories are the only thing left being spouted, anon. It's a process of elimination.

Also, I didn't declare the discussion worthless, or that you can't discuss.

I said that there is nothing legitimate to discuss about Rebuild and 3.33. Which is true.

Normally one could take the characters, the story, the plot and discuss those with some degree of seriousness, but as it happens - 3.33's plot and Rebuild overall cannot be taken seriously.

It's characters, story, it's plot has all fallen apart. This is after due consideration, this is after the entire gestalt of /a/ coming together and talking anime like it has never been done before.

Do you find the judgement unfair, or incorrect? Then argue it. I, /a/, and everyone sensible left will always be able to prove otherwise, and you know that.
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>>139655232
>>139654930

Oh look, it's the fireposter doing damagecontrol.

If you're so ashamed of your own posting, Asuka fag, then why do you even shitpost as much as you do?
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>>139655302
How many times must I type out
>muh boogeyman
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>>139655247
>Insane theories are the only thing left being spouted, anon.
It is exactly that mentality which is the problem. You sit here propping yourself up on an imaginary high ground and argue down to anyone who might even try to think differently than you.
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>>139655179
>And there you go again, throwing up excuses for why you don't want to discuss anything.

There you go again, denying reality for what it is.

Why won't you accept that 3.33 is what it is, anon? Why should every anon indulge your fake discussion? People don't like to waste their time on nonsense like that.

3.33 is perfectly discussable, but you just don't like the discussion we have about it. We criticize it because it deserves that criticism, it has done some outrageously poor things with itself, and if we neglect to include that, we're not discussing. We're circlejerking.
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>>139654452
it would seem i've opened a pandoras box
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>>139655356
That's what you've been doing from the start though.

I'm recounting to you the facts, about what /a/ has been doing since the generals, about what conclusions it has met. I do have the high ground here as a matter of fact as well.

I'm fine with discussing 3.33. I can talk about what it is, what it means, or where it's strengths and flaws lie. I can make up any theory I want around it as well, but whenever it's called out that the theory isn't accurate, I don't get butthurt about it like you do.

Just answer me one thing:

When the characters, the story, and the plot has been decisively shown to not work, even with your theory, why should we discuss your theories as if the aforementioned problems weren't real?
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>>139655387
Why do you insist on projecting an opinion onto me which I haven't stated at all? I have said nothing about whether I like the movie or not, whether I find issue with what happens in it or not. You're not looking at what I'm actually saying, you're just convincing yourself that I must hold a position that's entirely in your head so that you don't have to think about your own actions.
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>>139654754
>the sole reason threads go to shit are asukafans
no. it's people like you who get so anally annihilated by their shitposting. it's gone beyond the ridiculous and into the absurd now
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>>139655570
The problem starts with the shitposting. Congratulations on defending shitposting.
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>>139655516
>I do have the high ground here as a matter of fact as well.
Hilarious. You're fucking mental.

>why should we discuss your theories
You are the only one talking about my theories. I haven't said shit. You don't even know what you're arguing.
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>>139655520
That you "like it or not" is only something you can infer from what I wrote.

I'm talking about how you outright refuse to discuss 3.33 for what it is. You're not accepting it for what it is. That's why your theories and your point of view never, ever adds up.

>>139655610
Your "theories" means your "discussion", and yes, I know precisely what I'm arguing.

I'm arguing that you wish to discuss 3.33 as if it had no flaws, as if it had no problems, and as if it had no directorial intent behind it whatsoever.

I'm arguing that you can't expect everyone else to pretend like you do.
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>>139655607
maybe i'm wrong and you're not the guy who has made several dozen "asuka fags are literal terrorists" posts, but if you are, you need to go. you're like a combination of waifufagging and /pol/s conspiracies
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>>139655607
>Reifags don't shitpost
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>>139636609
>2.0 were pretty good
This is where you're wrong, and that's also why you dislike 3.0
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>>139655705
Congratulations on defending shitposting. According to your own logic, you need to go because you're reacting.

If we have a dozen Asuka fans shitposting in threads and being downright dishonest with how they discuss Evangelion, then a thread of 50 posters is also going to get sour and pissy.

>>139655752
>hurr durr things I never said
Reifags do shitpost.
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>>139655758
DING DING DING
Can we stop with the butt hurt meta discussion and return to roasting OP for being retarded enough to think 2.0 was any better than a pile of horse shit?
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>>139655758
2.0 > 1.0 > shit > 3.0
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>>139655702
>I'm arguing that you wish to discuss 3.33 as if it had no flaws, as if it had no problems, and as if it had no directorial intent behind it whatsoever.
Then you're absolutely retarded, because that's not what I want to do at all.

You truly do give plenty of credence to what I've said above. You sit here crafting strawmen, blasting the very idea of discussing the movies based not on anything I have said myself, but completely on your own prejudice. You believe that there is nothing to discuss so you shout down the very idea that any discussion can be had. You haven't even taken the time to ask what my own opinions are here! All you've done is yell that I'm shit and my theories are shit despite not even knowing what I even believe.

You are the epitome of what's wrong with these threads, and you will never admit it, nor will you ever see why you should.
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>>139655844
>>139655758
No, because that is obviously Asukafag butthurt trying to pointlessly shit on a movie.
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>>139655859
>Then you're absolutely retarded, because that's not what I want to do at all.
>You truly do give plenty of credence to what I've said above. You sit here crafting strawmen, blasting the very idea of discussing the movies based not on anything I have said myself, but completely on your own prejudice. You believe that there is nothing to discuss so you shout down the very idea that any discussion can be had. You haven't even taken the time to ask what my own opinions are here! All you've done is yell that I'm shit and my theories are shit despite not even knowing what I even believe.
>You are the epitome of what's wrong with these threads, and you will never admit it, nor will you ever see why you should.

This applies to you, not me.

You didn't even answer what I asked you:

>When the characters, the story, and the plot has been decisively shown to not work, even with your theory, why should we discuss your theories as if the aforementioned problems weren't real?

I'm not being anything but realistic when I bring up the point that yes, we have discussed Rebuild. The side that wanted to treat it as if there was nothing wrong with it, lost.

Hear this: You cannot discuss something with huge flaws like Rebuild without bringing up those flaws at some point.
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>>139655893
>defends 3.0
>claims i'm an asukafag
please go back to hell
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>>139655844
1.0 and 2.0 were fine movies in their own right. Showed them to some people I know, and they loved it.
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>>139656212
This is correct if he is referring to Yui.
Ayanami Yui was a mistake.
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>>139656083
> You cannot discuss something with huge flaws like Rebuild without bringing up those flaws at some point.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm even saying.

Why would I answer a question filled with your assumptions of my position even though you do not know it? Do the things you read even stay in your mind for longer than a second? Greentexting my post and saying "NO U!" doesn't show understanding or argumentation; it shows that you refuse to even consider that you may be in the wrong.

I'm done with this argument, as there's no point as long as you constantly refuse to read what I say or flat out make up positions for me. It's clear to anyone with mind of their own how terrible you are, and the effect you have on the quality of the threads.
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>the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Asuka and Shinji in the original timeline
>they each know enough of the plot to piece it all together
>the scrolls are left for those in the next time loop to avoid the mistakes of the past
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>>139656287
The Dead Sea Scrolls were created by the FAR you retard.
They detail events relating to angels, not humans.
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>>139656273
>Why would I answer a question filled with your assumptions of my position

You should answer because the point is to determine your position, which you are only obscuring post by post, complaining that "I don't know it".
You've been asked to share it, and I suspect that your silence and resistance against answering is because you don't actually have any position besides butthurt.

So again, answer this, in a slightly edited format so that you can't really complain:

>When the characters, the story, and the plot has been decisively shown to not work, why should we discuss them as if the aforementioned problems weren't real?
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>>139656269
It was a mistake and a huge fuck you to the fanbase.
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>>139656138
It's justifiable to say that 1.0 is a fine movie since it's more or less a faithful recreation of the original (although some may understandably find this to be a flaw)

But 2.0 is truly a frustrating piece. To newcomers it may be fine as an edgy, pretty, teen-action-robot slam jam; it's hard to deny that 2.0 pulls this off just fine. But it's treatment of its characters is honestly insulting when compared to the original.

Obviously 2.0 should be viewed as its own work with its own continuity, but that doesn't excuse how it reduces asuka and rei into waifu bait and introduces mari more or less just to sell figurines.
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>>139656273
>bitches about how no one understands his super deep discussion and what he thinks
>doesn't want to tell us about it even when asked repeatedly

3.33fags everyone
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>>139656481
>It's justifiable to say that 1.0 is a fine movie since it's more or less a faithful recreation of the original (although some may understandably find this to be a flaw)

Then it's not justifiable by your own logic. That it's a rehash is a rather large flaw, it's redundant and quite frankly, wasn't necessary to make.

>But 2.0 is truly a frustrating piece. To newcomers it may be fine as an edgy, pretty, teen-action-robot slam jam; it's hard to deny that 2.0 pulls this off just fine. But it's treatment of its characters is honestly insulting when compared to the original.

I don't agree at all, and what you're saying is an outright lie. I have watched Evangelion myself, and I know for a fact that for approximately 120 minutes of run time, or the six episodes following episode 6 where 1.0 "ends", Evangelion (yes the original one!) was a non-stop, teen-action-robot slam-jam.

So your complaint is quite literally a falsehood itself. You're not just lying to me, you're lying to yourself. This lie is what actually ends up ruining the fanbase in the long-term.
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>>139657030
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>discussion appears after shitposting
>people who defend 3.33 and the asukafags clear the scene

WOW

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
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>>139657158
So, do you fantasize with your own mother anon?
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>>139657030
>>>/lgbt/
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>>139657201
It's been the two same anons having the same discussion as before you baiting, casplock abusing faggot. Eat a bullet.
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>>139657219
No need to fantasize about mothers when I'm already fucking yours.
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Fuck it, lets get some pics from google.
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>>139657296
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/y/
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>>139657258
>butthurt
Asukafags get BTFO in discussion, and now they're resorting to baiting and shipping.
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>>139657219
That's disgusting.
But Rei is special.
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>>139657201
Asuka fans are more or less incapable of holding a good discussion nowadays.

I think they're just here for the shitposting, shipping, flaming and noisemaking. Cancer of this fanbase they are.
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>>139657349
By forcing her together with Shinji, it's the only way they can pretend Asuka is anything but a shit character
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Heh
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>>139656611
I don't know when /a/nons started using this 'you are ruining this fan base' rhetoric to plump up their arguments but it's pretty annoying.

Anyway, my comments on 1.0 didn't really get my viewpoint across. I don't think 1.0 is very good, because as you said being a scene for scene rehash is pretty much a cash grabbing waste of time. But I can see why people like it, I personally enjoyed getting to see Eva redone in Blu Ray quality.

This argument that 'nge in its first half is also monster of the week, people are just looking back with rose tinted glasses' is dumb as shit. Just because nge was funny and not actively pushing its plot forward in those episodes doesn't mean that it's characters are as one dimensional and pandering as those in 2.22.
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>>139657397
No wonder they were so butthurt about 2.0 then.
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>>139657290
so that means you are also attracted to your grandmother?
Wow, what a fucking freak you turned out to be son.
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>>139657397
They also only save fanart, because Asuka looks like an ugly man in the canon show
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>>139650656
>>139638402
>>139649322
>>139653802
>>139655758

>Anime is good
Fixed that for you, smug senpais.
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>>139657445
Also, I'd like to hear your justification for Mari's existence because I've never heard of a good one. She literally steals meaningful scenes from the original (kajis watermelons, asukas loss to zeruel) and contributes nothing in return.
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>>139657500
You really need to leave
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The rebuilds missed a great opportunity here.
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>you will never watch 2.22 for the first time again
Feels bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WIiA9AuoLU
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>>139657523
But I should elaborate on my argument about pandering characters, that'll take some time and I'll try to get back to you on that
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>>139657513
Thanks kouhai.
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>>139657349
No bait here and I hate shipping. By the way, you replying to yourself isn't as subtle as you think it is.
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>>139639494
>getting rid of its stale characters and setting
Is that why he put the character development of everyone on literal stasis?
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If you want to hit bumplimit, do it without shipping images, thanks.
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dumping more, haters hating on Asuka and Shinji intimate bond that they managed to connect at the EOE.
The way has already been paved for 3+1.
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>Rei gets fucked in 3.0
>Meanwhile Asuka gets fucked in the entirety of Rebuild

Boy, Reifags sure have it bad.
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>>139657741
Sorry but no. I enjoy shinji and asuka since they are the hedgehog dilema of the series and I find it beautiful how they manage to reach each other at the end after all the struggle and suffering that they went throught.
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>>139657775
Just another example of Reifags' huge persecution complex.
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>>139657858
And just when I thought you had fucked off.
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To this day I still don't understand why people bitch about either Asuka or Rei becoming the main focal point of the movie when both got reduced to their most base characteristics,, with Rei becoming the emotionless sexdoll once again while Asuka went cunt overlord the supreme, Shinji himself after starting to change in the last movie got kicked very fuckign hard into wimpy mode once again, Mari still exists for reasons no one can really define merchandising with Kaworu going full cryptic asshole homosex mode, everyone got reducd to their mose bas characteristic in this movie for no real fucking reason.
So why do people keep bitching and saying this is about waifu bullshit when even that got fucked?
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this needs to happen in the next movie.
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>>139657915
you fuck off if you dont like it.
Pleb.
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which one /a/?
also fuck captcha
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>>139657828
Finally somebody's speaking some sense
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>>139657917
So bitching about no character development is alright?
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>>139655000
i know, it was praised to heck because somebody was productive enough to make up some sloppy comic edit. but its still NEAT, not GOD-tier
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>>139658017
Yeah? Specially when the development the characters went through in the previous 2 movies got reset
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>>139657966
You can fuck off and stop reposting the same set of images you newfag shitskin.
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>>139658053
I think the fact that it reset after a possible shipping causes even more shitposting.
It's just teasing us like the last impact.
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>over 350 replies
>73 posters
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>>139657971
Asuka, obviously.
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>>139658118
no, you fuck off, whinefagg, rejectrash, foreveralone.
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>>139657445
Take asuka. People love to point at thermal expansion and the dancing episode as examples of soryu being waifu bait. I won't deny that these episodes establish asuka as an annoying, likable tsundere character, but I feel those episodes had more to offer to asuka's character than 2.22 did.

Asuka's sexual harassment on shinji is a reflection of her insecurities and her attempts to portray herself as an adult (strong women can hold power over men through sexual attraction). This is further complicated by the dance episode where rei quickly achieves better synchronization than she can with shinji. It's an attack on her ego and her self image as the best pilot around and she almost shuts die as a result of it. But shinji makes peace with her and they successfully train their routine in time to defeat the Angel.

It's one of the few genuinely positive and healthy interactions that shinji and asuka share, and it's important as fuck in their toxic, mutually destructive relationship. Asuka still continues to use shinji in order to prop up her own self esteem, but develops a sense that shinji is on her side, and that's a crucial factor in how much pain he causes her later in the show.

But the rebuild just doesn't offer those subtleties. Asuka is still misanthropic, cocky and cutesy. But she actually has a crush on shinji, she's jealous of rei because she feels rei also has feelings for shinji, and she fucking tries to outcook rei for shinjis heart. Dear lord that annoys me.

I think the most damning part is the conversation she has with misato before getting into unit 3, talking about how healthy her mindset is. The inner turmoil and crippling character deficiencies just aren't there, on the surface both nge and the rebuilds have rom com elements but the rebuilds just don't have the nuance that nge has.
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>>139657874
Reifags are spoiled little shits.
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>>139658185
Where the fuck do you think you are?
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>>139658150
>Average of 5 posts per person
Do you think that's a bad thing?
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>>139658124
You talking about how he went apeshit when Rei got eaten? I honestly didn't see that as shipping or anything, more like since he knew she had a somewhat similar fucked up childhood having to pilot those horrid things he indentified with her, especially when she rtied to take on a angel alone to save him so he probably though he owed her something as she made him see his life had worth, he even talked about it when he ripped her soul from Zeruel and with Asuka he had barely enough contact to estabilish some sort of friendship too before she got her teeth kicked in
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>you will never have metaphysical sex with Rei inside the tang
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>>139657445
>I don't know when /a/nons started using this 'you are ruining this fan base' rhetoric to plump up their arguments but it's pretty annoying.

It's true though. You are ruining a community.

>Anyway, my comments on 1.0 didn't really get my viewpoint across. I don't think 1.0 is very good, because as you said being a scene for scene rehash is pretty much a cash grabbing waste of time. But I can see why people like it, I personally enjoyed getting to see Eva redone in Blu Ray quality.

Mhm.

>This argument that 'nge in its first half is also monster of the week, people are just looking back with rose tinted glasses' is dumb as shit. Just because nge was funny and not actively pushing its plot forward in those episodes doesn't mean that it's characters are as one dimensional and pandering as those in 2.22.

Because? See, you're lacking an argument here. Saying that the argument is "dumb as shit" doesn't prove anything.

1.0 and 2.0 are two fine movies alike. Deal with it.
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>>139658200
>in their toxic.
>Not getting hedgehog dilema.
Girl likes boy, she keeps giving him obvious advances but grows frustrated since boy is too fucking naive to notice. Thus she keeps getting hurt.
This could be solved if they had proper communication.

Boy likes girl but is too scared of getting rejected/getting hurt by her. To the point of perceiving her as a hate machine in his own mind – because of her frustrations that are unknown to him.
He is only capable of telling her how he feels and what he wants when she is incapable of saying no.
This could be solved if they had proper communication.

During Instrumentality, boy goes again to girl in desperation. The girl "how he perceives her on his mind" rejects him and hurts him as he expected her to do so. He explodes in frustration and strangles that which makes him weak and suffer.

Once the Instrumentality fuck up is finished. Boy sees the real girl on the beach and hurts her on impulse believing that the girl that he perceived on his mind during instrumentality is how the girl really is.
Girl on the beach reaches for his warmth – shows him kindness - despite being hurt by boy.
In this case plainly referencing the hedgehog dilemma in which hedgehog A gets close for warmth to hedgehog B, without giving a shit about being hurt. Thus ending the dilemma.

Boy feels the sincere kindness and touch that he had so longed and breaks into tears over girl. Thus confirming to the girl that boy reciprocates her feelings.

Girl says: disgusting which could mean:
She is disgusted that she loves a guy like him.
She was aware of what boy said and did during the hospital scene and insulted him as he had asked her and also because she feels repulsed that he jerked to her.

In the end they finally manage to communicate with each other and the walls of frustrations that where been built during the show are gone, leaving them with a very promising note.
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Shinji is too badass for some reason in 3.0
Rei is literally who
Asuka is literally who
Kaworu despite the fact he now has a whole movie this time is literally who
Misato is literally who
everyone else is literally who
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e v a t h r e a d s
p l e a s e b e t t e r y o u r s e l v e s
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>>139658212
so you are deliberately admiting that you are all of that?
Wow anon, you are really a sad case.

Not tragic "which would be beautiful like in asuka and shinji's way" but plain pathetic.

Sorry but you are not even worthy of any kimochiwarui. You are too pathetic.
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>>139658364
Madoka threads are literally no better. And your show is worse. Fuck off.
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>>139658274
That and the cooking and Rei saying Shinji makes her feel warm and happy so she wants him to feel warm and happy.
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>>139658200
>Take asuka. People love to point at thermal expansion and the dancing episode as examples of soryu being waifu bait. I won't deny that these episodes establish asuka as an annoying, likable tsundere character, but I feel those episodes had more to offer to asuka's character than 2.22 did.

You said it yourself. Asuka's a pathetic character in NGE to begin with, and NGE Asuka does not have any depth, any development whatsoever in the first part of NGE that 2.0 doesn't have, if not even more.

What you feel is waifu butthurt. You only protest 2.22 (while hypocritically gorging yourself in 2.22 fanart and merchandise) because you're butthurt that Shinji tried to save Rei.

Accept that, and realize that you actually are a toxic part of this fanbase.
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>>139658439
it was just a shitty pic, never watched madoka, never went on madoka threads.

dont be so angry
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>you will never psychologically torture the Reifag textwall autist
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>>139658421
>>139658212
>>139658185
>>139658118
>>139657966
All Asukafags by the way. Hating on each other.
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>>139657828
>>139658177
samefag
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>>139658421
>muh normalfagshit
Fucking shipfags.
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>>139658510
I think by being an Asukafag I already do on some level.
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>>139658290
God that scene looks so comfortable.
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>>139653536
How am I distorting most points? These are facts taken directly from the damn movie.

It's pretty legit. And this isn't even going into all of the blatant symbolism foreshadowing either, since that's prone to actual opinion.
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Watching the Rebuilds immediately after watching the whole series again was possibly one of the most painful experiences involving anime I've ever had to be a part of. Every little change in 1.0 in the angel fights strips them away of their original greatness into dumb generic shonen battles. 2.0 comes along and completely fucks up Asuka's introduction, her character, and most importantly, the entire fight involving Unit 03. Instead of it being piloted by one of Shinji's friends who he had grown close to, it was Asuka for some dumbass reason. The music during the scene was changed to japanese kids singing to make it seem more edgy by having contrast with the visuals the eva eating the other eva, which just makes the whole scene a retarded mess. Mari as a whole is stupid, the ending of 2.0 is stupid. Shinji does not act that way in the original series, this new Shinji is retarded. Not even going to bother talking about 3.0 that was basically a complete mess EXCEPT the gay piano scene which ALMOST had the same feel of the original series.
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>>139658200
>I won't deny that these episodes establish asuka as an annoying, likable tsundere character, but I feel those episodes had more to offer to asuka's character than 2.22 did.
They literally didn't.

Those first few episodes don't have nearly nothing for Asuka save for screentime, she doesn't develop as a character, she doesn't define herself as well as in 2.0, and she has absolutely nothing except one single line denoting anything but a tsundere character.

In Rebuild 2.0, they are cutting the fat and giving Asuka more of a developing character. She is able to assess herself in more detail than she did in NGE, she is able to confront more main cast people than she did in NGE, and there is actual development tied to her character with the failure to act alone with the falling Angel.

It's a different Asuka, a stronger Asuka, but as a character, it is objectively superior to the Asuka as produced in the equivalent time in NGE. Asuka fans such as yourself still complain not because the character was too tsundere or anything else, in fact the spinoffs and fanfiction show that Asuka fans love that exact part of Asuka.

The only problem for you, which soured the entire thing, was that Shinji saved Rei or at least tried to.

You just can't wish the best for anyone else as a fanbase. So you groaned, pissed and moaned about things you don't understand and then lied to everyone else using posts like the one you just wrote.

There is nothing damning about her conversation about Misato. There is nothing wrong with Asuka being developed like this to begin with, in the introduction.

The "inner turmoil" and "character deficiencies" don't come into play until the second half and right at the end, and Rebuild could have done that just fine. But you wouldn't have it, you would rather watch everything burn than have Shinji do one, single nice thing for Rei in a movie.

This is why you complain about 2.0, but accepted 3.0 gladly and don't complain about that.
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>>139658824
>Desperate textwall autist tries again after no one takes his bait the first time
I probably shouldn't even be doing this but how fucking pathetic can you get
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>>139658805
The "dumbass reason" is the Asukafaggotry of Anno and Tsurumaki.

They weren't content with letting Asuka be Asuka, beause then they'd run the risk of having her lose the popularity-game against Rei. So they in the 2.0 CRC admitted to rewriting Asuka so she'd seem like a good person now in the Rebuilds.

Predictably, Asuka fans loved it and this is the most popular Asuka has ever been in the fanbase. There's a reason why you shouldn't trust any Asukafag complaining about her character in 2.0, and that is it.
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>>139657828
>>139658177
>>139658640
stay mad samefag
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>>139658907
>Can't make an argument
>resorts to shitflinging
Typical.
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>>139653435
>Though you do have a point in that Shinji was wearing some weird suit when he went out with Kaworu, but maybe that's because that place was actually dangerous for some reason, while the other wasn't?

Kaworu was lying to him the entire time, but for a good cause, to protect his sanity because the truth of him being an ayy would definitely cause him to have a complete mental breakdown.

The biosuit was given to Shinji as a mask to hide his nonhuman nature; to encourage him that he was normal.

Then at the end of the movie we learn that it was all just a lie since he's essentially walking on the core earth without any major repercussions.
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>>139658907
>butthurt Asukafag does damage control
Nothing out of the ordinary.
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>>139636609
fuck i hate anno
>dude let's destroy rei's character and shit on asuka's even more than we already have LMAO
what the fuck was he thinking? why does he hate his fan's so much?
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>>139658975
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>>139658950
>Kaworu was lying to him the entire time, but for a good cause, to protect his sanity because the truth of him being an ayy would definitely cause him to have a complete mental breakdown.
>but for a good cause

No. There is nothing good here. Saying that he was ayy wouldn't cause him a mental breakdown in any way whatsoever.
He did not protect his sanity or even TRY because he took Shinji and shocked the shit out of him, and did nothing to protect him from Fuyutsuki.

Stop pretending Kaworu's character isn't either extremely poorly written, or downright evil.
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>>139658599
>>139658516
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>>139658968
The originals were meant to be unlikable. So he is taking revenge since he failed and they got fanbases.
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>>139657828
>>139658177
>>139658640
>>139658975
Ebin
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>>139658968
>what the fuck was he thinking? why does he hate his fan's so much?

He was thinking he'd use Rebuild to make Asuka popular and unpopular. Literally nothing else. Asuka gets pandered as a space-faring, mercenary gun toting bitch-slapping girl with zero problems, while Rei gets, yeah. You know.

Ayanami Yui'd.
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>>139658975
Why do you do this in every thread? Do you have nothing better to do anonymous? Doesn't it get tiring pushing this meme by yourself in every thread?
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>>139659044
>The originals were meant to be unlikable. So he is taking revenge since he failed and they got fanbases.

Then why did he explicitly state he was trying to make Asuka look good for instance? He ruined both characters but he went far, far out of his way to shit on Rei and glorify Asuka.
Compare Shikinami with Rei Q for gods sake.

He made one into a half-angel super-girl and the other a literal retard who apparently has troubles reading or understanding simple words like "like".
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>>139659124
>implying he's alone

Oh my toilet posters
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>>139659148
>a literal retard who apparently has troubles reading or understanding simple words like "like".
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>>139659148
Yeah I think the shitting on is way stronger with Rei.
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>>139659011
>No. There is nothing good here. Saying that he was ayy wouldn't cause him a mental breakdown in any way whatsoever.

Are you fucking kidding.
Of course it would cause Shinji to have a complete mental breakdown. He's the very thing that Nerv, Misato and his co-pilots were fighting against; he's most like the seed responsible for second impact as well, since he was pretty much a necessity for triggering all of the known impacts we've seen so far in the first place.

>Stop pretending Kaworu's character isn't either extremely poorly written, or downright evil.

This has nothing to do with Kaworu's poor character, but about Shinji and how everyone around him is literally lying to him or refusing to tell the truth about who or what he really is. It also explains why Misato is such a cunt to him now too - the one pilot she saw as a son is also the eldritch abomination responsible for second impact and the death of her father.
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>>139659246
Obviously. You're a Reifag. See previous posts about persecution complexes.

>muh we are the chief sufferers
>muh suffering validates my rationality
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>>139659263
Misato wouldn't have hesitated in decapitating him if she knew he wasn't human.
Even Shinji could kill Kaworu.
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>>139659246
Quite clearly.
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>>139659001
>>139659047
>>139659124
>>139659179
The denial is real

>>139659008
Those aren't breasts
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>>139659300
Asuka got shafted too but at least she gets to do cool shit in 3.
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>>139659319
>Misato wouldn't have hesitated in decapitating him if she knew he wasn't human.

But she didn't because she's grown too attached to him and perhaps realizes that even when he was some eldritch monster, it wasn't entirely his fault, but Nerv and Seele for experimenting on him some 30+ years ago.
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>>139658824
You're such a faggot it's unimaginable

I could have written the same post about rei or misato. Quit making strawmans and use your fucking brain
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>>139659008
hahaha anime tiddies haha
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>>139659263
>Are you fucking kidding.
>Of course it would cause Shinji to have a complete mental breakdown.
Nope. It would not cause any breakdown whatsoever.

What is guaranteed to cause a mental breakdown however, is keeping it from it and having it thrown right in his face randomly. What will break Shinji is doing what Kaworu did, take hi upstairs and show him the ruined world, and then go "yeah, you did this and those WILLE guys blame you for it.".

You have a lot of speculation. I could just wave that away as bullshit because it's not canon. But, let's accept it as the absolute truth for the sake of argument.

The way to go is still to calmly approach Shinji and tell him the truth. Not by showing him shocking imagery and blaming him for it like Kaworu or WILLE did. But by telling Shinji that "the Angels", "they weren't our enemies after all. We were deceived". This is common sense. Common sense that cannot exist in 3.33, because then the movie falls part.

Then it does not explain the distrust shown by the WILLE crew either, because they too know that they are guaranteed to mess things up by evoking his emotional instability, something they explicitly said they feared.

It has in other words, everything to do with Kaworu's poor character, and WILLE's poor characters for that matter.

Kaworu did it this particular way to pander, and WILLE were reduced to idiots to facilitate Kaworu's pandering. Rei was also ruined to make this happen, since she'd obviously be in the way of all that.
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>>139659455
All I read is butthurt. You won't accept the truth.

We could have said similar things about Misato and Rei. Of course we could, and it's not untrue. Because the first half of Evangelion is establishing their early characters for development later. Evangelion allows itself monster of the week shenanigans to create a world it will later develop.

So did 2.0, while also avoiding the pitfall of being merely a rehash.

Everything I wrote was true.
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>>139659300
Butt mad Asukafag shitstain detected.

Rei got shafted harder in the twenty years Evangelion has existed than Asuka ever will. Deal with it. You'd probably commit suicide if the tide turned too.
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>>139659662
>proving my point
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>>139659825
You only proved that you're a buttmad asukafag shitstain who's completely unable to do anything but shitpost and get banned on a regular basis.

Reconsider your life.
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>>139636609
It's shit but it has some great moments.
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>>139652321
>>139652395
>>139652466
What if 2.0 shinji swap minds with 3.0 shinji?
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>>139637520
>Nah the movie was complete shit. They clearly scrapped what they had and completely rewrote it for some reason, and so it's completely disconnected from the rest of the movies. Th