Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1493

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Find a good teacher that will keep the game fun. Work hard and don't be afraid to have success or disappointment. That is what golf is all about.

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whats up dude welcome to another bangin episode of ｄｊｔ～積極的に出来ない者たちの日々にようこそ～
今週の放送をこんな風にやろう

下の文では自分自身を見つめ直せ
「何も知らずに生きていて申し訳ありません」

お前はそうだろ
自分に答えることが一番大切なのだ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPOZijy1Q8

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和田雌羽貮㌿！

>桑田滄海
>大安吉日
>朝三暮四
>枕流漱石
>天涯比隣
>点検商法
>反間苦肉
>南無八幡大菩薩

今年も日本語勉強を全くしなかったけど
来年は真面目にして黄色人になる

>>139629053
>黄色人
笑

>>139629053
今年も日本語勉強を全くしなかったけど
来年は真面目にして黄色人になる

今年も日本語の勉強を全くしなかったけど
来年は真面目に勉強をして黄色人になる

オナニーがだいすきです
てがいたい

>>139629053
頑張って名無しくん
君ならきっとできるよ(ӦｖӦ｡)

>>139628874
Where the fuck did you find these?

顔の上に男の股間が乗る気持ちあなたにわかる

>>139629175
漢字を使うべきだったよ。
そんな仮名遣いは酷い。

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50% of the words in this fucking language are just fucking english, can the japs do nothing on their own?

>>139629736
The rest are basically Chinese, so no.

>>139629736
>50%
You're reading too much gyaru porn, Anon.

>>139629736
Yeah, this is what every novice thinks going into the language until they get raped by kanji.
In reality an extremely small portion of vocabulary comes from english loanwords, and you'll almost never see it in written text.

漢字無図可椎

I want to learn conversational Japanese. Just enough to get around talking to someone. I don't live in Japan or have a conversational buddy (yet). What's my best bet?

>>139629938
かんじむずかしい

>>139629955
Pick a different language

>>139629955
Go live there.

>>139629955
こんにちは~
日本人だけど練習相手になれるかな?

>>139629955
>What's my best bet?

Give up now.

>>139629736
That's how languages work son. The majority of this clusterfuck we call English came from other languages... granted, it's evolved over a long period of time.

>>139628874
>枕流漱石

Saved for future use

>>139629955
Pen pal. There are websites that you can talk with a native in japanese, then after awhile you switch it up and help practice their english

うそです本当は英国人です

>>139630063
もう漢字が読めるのに

>>139630115
お金がねーよ

>>139630127
さあね

>>139630142
Can't, there's someone who I want to be able to talk to normally and I don't want to beg him to learn English.

水泳部の後輩が練習帰りに先輩の実家に訪問するところから話が始まる。部活の会話の後、先輩が後輩に屋上で日焼けしに行かないかと誘う。後輩は快諾し、二人は競泳パンツに着替え、日光浴を始める。しかし、この後、普段面倒見の良い先輩が豹変。彼の歪んだ愛情が暴走して、後輩に襲いかかる・・・。

>>139630193
What, so you're saying English is not the original language of mankind????

I really want to enjoy reading VNs in Japanese but I always get a pounding headache within minutes from line after line of tiny squiggles.
And that's even EZ mode compared to books or any sort of articles.
How long does it take to get comfortable with it?
I've been studying pretty dilligently for 18 months and passed the N3 in december but I still feel like I don't know shit.

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>>139628706
あのさ、誰かと日本語で話したいけど、フェースブックを使わなくて他のサイト知らなくて、勧めを聞きたいんだ。それと、ここは/soc/じゃないと知っているけど、お前ら多分自分達の間で声の練習してるんだろう、それはどうだ、スカイプではなしあえる?

>>139630864
>N3
You don't know shit

>>139630864
How are you studying?

>>139630864
You may or may not know shit with N3 depending on how much practice and exposure you've got. Some people pick up very good conversational Japanese after just a few weeks of practice, others go all the way to N1 and beyond before they get anywhere near confident in speaking the language; really, just find some fluent/native patient Japanese speakers and go at it, you should git gud pretty fast.

>>139630910
Yeah, I know that N3 is ezmode compared to the 2 highest levels but it gives a good benchmark of where I am just for clarification's sake.
>>139631010
Year of classroom learning, then moved on to self study with textbooks, anki reps, and reading some easy manga. VNs are my ultimate goal but all of them are written for adults so they're pretty rough.

>>139630396
>there's someone who I want to be able to talk to normally
Then talk and parctice with him

>>139629419
djtにはわかる気がする

>>139630396
no pussy or dick is worth it

>>139630524
ksk

>>139630903
誰かと話すことなんて１００年まだ早い
自分の道や日本語を見つけろ

>>139630396
>Can't, there's someone who I want to be able to talk to normally and I don't want to beg him to learn English.
How do you even know you want to talk to them if you don't know each other's languages? Got an interpreter or something?

俺はアニメを観るだけのために日本語で流暢になる

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>>139631305
> 誰かと話すことなんて１００年まだ早い
お前、自分の低すぎる能力レベルまで届いてないくせに何いえんの?

>>139631301
彼は自由時間がありませんが

>>139631197
You don't fucking get it. A middle schooler could reach N3 in a month. Its not a benchmark. Your ability to interact with japanese mediums is still 0. You couldn't read a mcdonalds menu.

>>139631197
Look through the resources in the guide. You may want to read through Tae Kim/DoJG or something instead of working with a textbook designed for a classroom. And it sounds like you need to spend a lot more time reading, you should be able to get through more than easy manga, especially if you use kanjitomo/a texthooker.

>>139631478
Then how do you expect to talk to him? Sounds like you already know the answer and just want to shitpost

>>139631452
「自分」ってお前のことかい
その使い方は変だと思う

>>139631513
> Your ability to interact with japanese mediums is still 0.
His most likely is, but that's not the case for everyone. I repeat, some people learn conversational Japanese at N4 and other don't even at N1, it's all a matter of practice.

>>139631417
We are currently meeting in the middle but conversations are extremely slow and shallow.　

>>139631594
> その使い方は変だと思う
普通なんだよ、知らなかったって言わないでくれ。

I just finished my first novel! Haruhi volume 1! オレ様は日本でござる！！！

俺ももう、あの世から帰って来た”鬼”だ。

>>139631651
いやいや絶対不自然だよ
ていうか「ひくすぎるレベル」っていいながらなんでそんなに自信あるんだよ

>>139631685
omedetou!

>>139631685
Is it true that kyon is an overly verbose motherfucker?

>>139629955
http://www.mylanguageexchange.com/Pen-pals/Country/Japan.asp

>not teaching helping awkward nip qts with their english

I've talked with about 50 people through this over skype. Got 5 to show me their tits

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/djt/, I royally fucked up.

I've been studying since last May, mostly through tons of Anki reps and a textbook for grammar (although I never really "got" it), passed N3 with a decent score (163/180) in December, but right before Christmas I've had a major depression episode due to a close relative passing away, and haven't touched Japanese study material since.
I'm finally ready to carry on with my own life and continue my studies, but I have forgot tons of words and kanji. I was 90% through core6k and 85% done with kanjidamage deck, so I am not really sure if I should start from scratch.

How do I get back on track, anons?

>>139631821
Firstly, you need to remove all your other relatives to prevent the same thing happening again.

>>139631821
Keep going, but expect to see those review times going up and those anki stats going red.

>>139631808
The problem with Kyon's dialogue is that he tends to go on extended rants with metaphors and similes and a lot of run-on sentences. The problem with that is that doing something like that in Japanese delays the point of the sentence, since the most important stuff usually comes at the end, so you can get kind of lost.

>>139631817
But I want to speak Japanese not English

>>139631857
That would be the best way to go about it, but he needs to make sure they're gone for good.

>>139631882
The point is that its an exchange. You speak in english half the time, you speak in japanese the other half

>>139631742
> いやいや絶対不自然だよ
マジ聞いたことなかった?それこそが変だw。
> ていうか「ひくすぎるレベル」っていいながらなんでそんなに自信あるんだよ
勉強したんだから。練習が全く足りないのは事実だけど、お前に比べてちょっとだけじしんがあるんだw。
>>139631685
> オレ様は日本でござる！！！
笑

>>139631963
>勉強したんだから。練習が全く足りないのは事実だけど、お前に比べてちょっとだけじしんがあるんだw。
ならその自信はちょっとなくした方がいいと思う

>マジ聞いたことなかった?
なにを？
「自分」という単語は勿論知っているが
お前の間違った使い方は今まで聞いたことがないな

>>139631817
It doesn't seem like you can contact anyone initially on a free account. Is it really a reliable site?

>>139631963
何笑ってんだお前。なんか面白いこと見たのか？ついに自分の顔を鏡で見たのか？ア？

>>139632201
彼が一生日本になれないと気付いたのはあまりのショックで涙の代わりに笑いが出たんだろうきっと

>>139632056
> ならその自信はちょっとなくした方がいいと思う
自信を持つのは普段外人と会話する時だけだw。日本人と話すとすっごく緊張になって、それだけで能力は落ちるんだ。ああ、練習がまっっっったく足りねぇ。
> お前の間違った使い方
マジ失せろ。何も知らないくせによくお前こそが自信を持つんだw。

>>139632336
>緊張になって*
緊張して
>普段外人と会話する時
>普段
>時
ｗ

おしゃべりぴんぴんですね
ですが何も言っていないよ二人とも
もう一回伝えたいことを伝えましょうね

>>139632498
> 緊張して
あ、確かだ。
> >普段
> >時
んん、それあるかも?普段ってのはいつものことで、自分がいつもその状態になるから、い、え、る?

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What the hell does boioioiioiiong mean?

I consider myself a pervert but I can only guess what he's hinting at.

>>139632805
女bona

>>139632697
よくみれば
>自信を持つのは普段、　外人と会話する時だけだ
これだね

>自信を持つのは、普段外人と会話する時だけだw
もともとこういう読み方したから笑ったんだ

と、に、か、く
>お前、自分の低すぎる能力レベルまで届い
問題は「自分」は文脈によって話し手と相手のどっちにもなれることだね
この場合は話し手になるけど
「お前」につづいているのは大抵「相手」の意味を持つ時だ

だから、「お前」に「話し手」の意味を持つ「自分」を付けるのは不自然だと思う

>>139632805
boingっぽいおっぱい

>>139632931
>>139632829
I was thinking oppai but I watch enough dickgirl porn to questions whether he meant anatomically otherwise.

>>139632959
you do know how girl parts work right they actually have a small penis its called the clitoris just fyi

>>139632987
Yes but I care more about girls that have actual large penises so fuck you.

>>139632987
Can it get erect?

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>>139632878
>　だから、「お前」に「話し手」の意味を持つ「自分」を付けるのは不自然だと思う
意味わかんない。"「自分」を付ける"ってどういうこと?ただで考えすぎんだろう。

>>139632987
thanks doc

>>139632987
if you're gonna shitpost about the 陰核 do it in japanese

>>139632878
自分が自分のことをどう思う
人間としては

>>139633106
まずはお前は自分の事をどう思うか答えてくれ

>>139633202
>>139633168

>>139631821
Do not start over. I really hate people making this mistake. You have forgotten many words, but there are many you will remember, and it is a waste to reset those cards back to 0.

>>139633202
突然だな。でも意味がわからない。「人間として」ってどういうこと?

>>139633106
ゴメン、小学生も分かるように説明するのは得意じゃない

>>139633321
バカゴーホーム
ユーアーノットレディー

>>139633400
言いたいことを伝えらんないだけのくせによく言いやっちゃった。

>>139633551
よく出ちゃったな

>>139633551
「お前」に「自分」を付けると中出しの喜びが分かるらしい

>>139633637
それマジまずかった、な。ああ、練習たりねー

>>139633720
古いネタが出される時はいつも普通以上に笑う。どうしてだろう。

>>139633720
こいつもよく出ちゃったみたいだね

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Ｃａｎ　ｓｏｍｅｏｎｅ　ｔｅｌｌ　ｍｅ　ｗｈａｔ　ｔｈｉｓ　食虫　ｋａｎｊｉ　ｉｓ？
I can't find it with kanji lookups, all I'm getting is 蝕む
Is it supposed to be that or something else?

>>139633896
y

>>139633896
i cant dude sorry i just cant

Is there a website or some such that has structured learning programs for Japanese? When I'm left to my own free will, I go adrift and fuck up. I do much better with a structured less plan.

>>139633949
yeah, I recommend bitlasers.com/djt

>>139633983
no no no stop it man

>>139633896
It's that.

>>139633943
This is a no-bullying zone.

>>139633949
>>139633983
Buy a bitlaser and beam the language directly into your head with it.

>>139634028
if i was bullying id ask him why hes even reading something where he has the right word in front of him and is still unsure due to him not being able to read or whatever

>>139634046
beam this entire thread to fucking pluto lmao especially 自分

>>139633949
There are literally no methods to actually learning japanese other than forcing 6000 vocab words into your brain and memorizing all the grammar rules. All these structured course faggotrons are designed to make you feel good or make it less "frustrating", but you just end up sort of knowing a few phrases that you don't actually know what they mean.

How many classes of spanish were you made to take growing up? And how much spanish can you safely say you know?

Download anki, do the 6k, read tae kim. Thats the only way.

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>叢
>業

>>139634134
Are you really suggesting that these kanji are even remotely similar?

>>139634134
What's your problem?

>>139634134
not at all similar

>>139634119
But we are all 自分

>>139634134
>一
>鬱

Literally indistinguishable.

Does anyone else just spam incorrect answers on the "Select __ until there are none left" captchas until it goes away because every time you tried doing it properly it didn't work?

>>139634189
I'm a gay faggot

>>139634122
>forcing 6000 vocab words
>only 6000
I got news for you bub I'm at 8000-9000 and they just keep coming

>>139634274
Well yeah, the average adult knows about 40k, but you need to know 4-6k before you can be considered "literate"

>>139634169
>>139634189
>>139634222
>>139634234

難
渋

>>139634234
Yes, I find that it doesn't work properly in Chrome, in Firefox everything is オｋ.

>>139634134
>>139634169
>>139634189
First time lurker (and poster) here. Does anyone actually hand write characters like this out? They seem complex as fuck.

Writing one, two and three, 一, 二, そして 三

Then you get to numbers like one hundred million, 億, and it's like, nigga I don't have an art degree. I'm not qualified for this.

>>139634353
His 2 characters are pretty easy to write, even 鬱 is not that hard really.

>>139634353
theres shortcuts you can use life is not calligraphy class

>>139634122

>doing core
>the only way

Naw

>>139634353
Nobody really writes as elaborately as in class IRL, but yes, there is nothing hard in writing kanji, more complex ones simply take a split second longer to write.

>>139634274
I'm at around 2200 kanji in my mining deck and still consider myself a beginner given the type of VNs I'm reading. When does what DJT considers "intermediate" / "intermediate hell" start? Reading lower/mid level plotge like Baldr Sky or something? Or is it when you don't have any comprehension/grammar issues anymore (unless it's something really old/obscure) and the only thing holding you back is vocab?

So you are you learning Japanese /a/?

>>139630524
こ↑こ↓

まあまあへんなにほんごはほどほどにねおにいちゃん

それはそうと
あたしのちいきのさくら
ちょうまんかい
あまりのうつくしさに
みなみないきをのむのむ

>>139634547
I am quite that I am indeed me, but no, I don't learn Japanese /a/, their taste is even shittier than that of people here.

>>139634507
> Or is it when you don't have any comprehension/grammar issues anymore (unless it's something really old/obscure) and the only thing holding you back is vocab?

You will always have grammar issues occasionally, but yeah I would say it starts when you're at the level where you know you'll never need to reference Tae Kim again.

>>139631513
>N3
>You couldn't read a mcdonalds menu.
Don't comment on the JLPT if you have no fucking idea about it.

>>139631817
Is this really the best place to find live chat for practice?
forever私わにほんぎんへたですforever

>>139631513
While I agree that N3 is pretty worthless even as a benchmark, you're really underrating it a lot. Take a look at what it actually entails.

>辞意
>(P)
Setting aside how they need a word for it rather than expressing it in a sentence like every other language on earth, how the hell is this among the 20k most commonly used words in the Japanese language?

>>139635066
japan has a very downer culture so people make use of that a lot

also theres tons of similar examples get used to having one word for things youre used to having more words for

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Found an old journal from when i first started.

I've come so far

>>139635066
>Setting aside how they need a word for it rather than expressing it in a sentence like every other language on earth, how the hell is this among the 20k most commonly used words in the Japanese language?
You mean top 20k in newspapers? And most people only know like 25-30k words in their native language so saying "top 20k" just means people know it

>>139635256
and how far, precisely, is that?

>>139635334
This is a no-bullying zone.

>>139635256
thats cute and maybe hurts my heart a little bit

the question is おまえはにっぽんごできますか

>>139635334
Now I can Japanese, obviously.

>>139635066

I don't get what you're making a big deal out of, "[x] announced their decision to resign" is not exactly a rare thing to see in the news anywhere in the world.

>>139634600
息を呑む
息を吞む

literally indistinguishable

>>139635388
i kind of hoped you'd say it in japanese...

>>139635434
今日本語楽勝当然

>>139635389
I just saw it in the context of a protagonist grumbling over whether to quit his job, but I guess I can see it being used often in newspapers in that context.

近く
辺
？

>>139635566
what is your ?

>>139634600
>こ↑こ↓
i laugh every time i watch that fucking video
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12425449

いっしょに

how do I write the small tsu using the jap keyboard IEM or whatever its called

>>139635722
ltsu
ltu
or just double the consonant
issyo

>>139635722
>>139635774
い＋っしょ＋に
i + ssho/ssyo + ni
だよ。なんでそうなってるのっていわれても
わからないからIMEせんせいにきいてね

がんばっておにいちゃん

>>139635844
>>139635774
arigatou

>>139635426
Whats the story with this one? I can't even find any words for the latter.

>>139634507
Tbh I think it begins around the 6k mark, so I'd say once you finish core + understand most grammar. That's when you just have to go through shit word by word, looking shit up all day.
I never did core deck though. Before that you also have all the beginner resources and shit helping you, like Japanese classes if you go to them. After that nobody gives a fuck, no market for intermediate resources nigger, you're on your own.

>>139635426
That's because the latter is a variant of the former. They were one kanji at some point that morphed into two, a classical 異体字.

>>139635256
>I've come so far
Finally filled in the gap between the あ and そ rows have we now? ww

>>139636032
>ト
>卜
the most literally indistinguishable

>>139635868
gozaimasu

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>>139636633
The second one is strange in my shitty font.

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>>139636668
> nihonnhon

found one
緑
線

>>139636730
二本ん日本の本

>>139636764
These are obviously very different, you can't mistake them.

>>139636844
you can't mistake any kanji through context, this is all shitposting

Anybody here read VNs?

How fast do you read you read at auto speed?

I've been in a bit of slump lately and can't read too well. I do things like miss words ,misunderstand and have trouble understanding.

Don't google
幼マンコ

>>139636844
You totally can, unless you pick apart the radicals. I'm pretty sure I messed them up when I was starting out. Fortunately they're both really common, so you learn the difference quickly.

>>139637072
小学生のまんこが欲しいね。

>>139637176
なぜ子供のマンコが欲しいの？

>>139637237
少年愛嗜好でしょ

>>139635368
Sorry

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おはようおにいちゃん

はなみしよ

>>139638442
This is a bullying zone. I find DJT's bullying motivating at times because it puts me back in line and reminds me that I still have a long way to go, that there's always room for improvement, and to not get cocky / to not relax too much. That's why Dekinai-chan is much more motivating than any of the other DJT memes and is the one meme that has always stuck.

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>>139638553
Fuck off.

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あしたはさくらふぶきだよ

おにいちゃんこられるよね

いっしょにはなみしよ

>>139638589
I actually kinda agree. I started learning Japanese years ago, before /djt/ was even a thing and barely anyone knew any Japanese at all. In that environment, I felt like I was towering above everyone else just for being able to slowly work myself through an easy work with a dictionary and understand most of it. So I just kinda stopped seeing the need to improve.

Now that people here have finally dared to give this language a go, I'm suddenly a nobody. I'm better than some, but if I tried to show off here, people would just laugh at me. So I have to work harder. The road behind me is nothing, the road ahead is where I have to focus.

>>139638868
>>139638589
我々わ仁本になるぞ。

>>139638589
Some of it is good, some of it is bad. When people give intentionally wrong answers it's not helpful at all.

>>139637052
Only thing you can do is more
It aint gonna improve itself

>>139639008
Almost anything is better than "This is a no bullying zone". You should double check answers anyway, like with anything else.

>>139639008
Generally dumb questions / posts get dumb answers on DJT. I've had it happened to me and I learned my lesson and stopped asking dumb questions / actually thought before posting it and looked around for an answer first.

>>139638553
おはよう

>>139639188
おはゆです！ぼくんいほんがほし！きみもとてむんおほしにほんじんおすうでｓか？かわいい！！

>>139639188
Jouzu Nihongo Desu yo! Which website did you use to learn it?

>>139639354
レッディト・レディットでs

>>139630063
>>139630142
you people are disgustingly pessimistic

>>139639512
What's with some people on DJT being so sensitive to banter lately? That guy didn't even take offense to it.

>>139638589
Getting bullied on my English grates my nerve after the 10th times though. I'm sure it's just one guy. Or maybe I'm looking for a boogeyman.

Anyway, if the asshole that is fucking condescending towards ESL read this, if you want to shit talk, at least do it in Japanese. If you can.

>>139639598
>Or maybe I'm looking for a boogeyman.
Probably this.

>>139639598
I'm mostly referring to the type of posts that have been getting the "This is a no-bullying zone" response when they're just dumb responses to equally dumb posts.

>>139639598
>bullied on
>grates my nerve
>10th times
>read
英語がだめですね。

>>139639709
It's wrong, should be ローマ字達. There are 26 romanjis.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12wAhw4YIYPDG4BSLN587L_FtgzHdBzfGQnx8Df0Kh

>>139639598
I have a strong feeling that whoever invented the ESL meme is just some faggot butthurt about the EOP meme. Insulting someone for studying a language instead of learning it effortlessly as their mothertongue just reeks of someone too stupid and/or lazy to learn a second language themselves.

>>139639765
Is that supposed to be something? Just goes to a blank page.

>>139639777
Huh? Japanese isn't hard though (except maybe trying to wrap your head around grammar while reading Tae Kim for the first time), it's just time consuming and memory intensive.

>>139639805
It's certainly harder than speaking your mother tongue fluently.

>>139639805

That's a bit like saying practicing juggling is just agility-intensive and time-consuming. It's the same thing just with different words, something that requires a lot of effort of some kind is hard by definition.

>>139639828
>>139639864
I'm just not sure what you're trying to get at. If the language in question isn't in the same language group as the one(s) you know, the only things being multi-lingual would help with is wrapping your head around the grammar more easily and I guess being more used to the concept of running into unknown words fairly often. Grammar is arguably one of the least time consuming parts of Japanese once you're into intermediate hell, at least when it comes to learning it, and solidifying it through reading doesn't really take much effort (especially if you enjoy the thing you're reading). I can only imagine being envious applying to beginners who haven't finished Tae Kim or gotten used to learning the routine of learning / coming across new words yet.

I'm pretty sure you're overthinking it. I doubt it has anything to do with "EOP" considering the context that is usually used in is to refer to people who don't know Japanese, regardless of whether or not they're actually a monolingual English native.

>taking quiz in jap 1
>for some reason write ムクドナルド
>realize this is wrong
>think of my wife
>change ム to マ
thanks marie rose

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まほうのくに

にほんへようこそ

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But why

>>139640028
No, learning a language improves your ability to learn future languages, even if they don't have a word or structure in common.

I just hate ESLs because I hate the French and the Dutch.

>>139640286
To fuck with you. It's actually not that bad though. 生 can be kind of annoying but even that isn't too terrible. You get used to it with time and enough reading.

>>139640028

I wasn't really talking about that EOP or ESL stuff or whatever, I'm just saying that learning Japanese is definitely difficult. Even ignoring all the other aspects completely, the required time investment by itself already puts it in that category.

Organizing books in a shelf is not hard and anyone can do it, but organizing the books of every shelf in an entire library is still a very difficult task from the sheer workload and time investment even if the process itself is simple.


>>139640286

Things being or going above other things has a lot of literal and figurative uses even in English. But it's not as bad as it looks, most are just variants of the same thing.

>>139639710
だめですよ。swahiliのほうが上手ですけど。

Help me improve my English then.

>bullied on
Is it bullied for?

>grates my nerve
What's wrong with this? grates on my nerve?

>10th times
Why are you quoting this? Supposed to be tenth instead?

>read
What is wrong with read?

>>139640562
>bullied on, nerve, times, read

Bullied for, nerves, time, reads

Nerves is plural, he's not getting on one specific nerve. Just nerves in general.

10th time singular. It's just one time, one specific instance, that happens the tenth such instance.

Reads, not read. That's just conjugation. I read, you read, he/she reads.

>>139640562
bullied for.

i can only assume you mean "gets on my nerves".

its "10th time", you never put "times" after a number like this.

he, she, it readS.

>>139640694
>>139640691

Oh, swahili doesn't have S-V agreement so, yeah. Also, in, on, and at is expressed with the same word.
Thanks guys.

>>139640764
woah, so basically you are the niggest

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>>139639598
Try not to be so sensitive, anon. You must not have been around when that one anon was replying "fuck off NYRfag" to everyone who was starting Japanese. I've even been personally told by a Japanese person to fuck off not to learn Japanese, but I'm still doing it

＞都心にあります銀行は2010年に作られました。

Does this construction make sense?

>>139640851
>あります
ある

>>139640821
Thanks for the support.

I guess being called ESL who can't construct basic sentence maybe is my trigger. The NYRfag thing, etc doesn't bother me as much, or at all.

>>139641149
you mean "sentences"? :^)

>>139640821
>NYRfag
New York Rangers fag?

>>139641209
i dont even know about all these acronyms. ESL, NYR, what the fuck is up with this shit?

>>139640944
With relative clauses, it has to be -る form? no -ます?

>>139640821
>I've even been personally told by a Japanese person to fuck off not to learn Japanese, but I'm still doing it

So long as you don't allow dekinai into your heart, it will never have power over you

>>139641176
Nah, the person who said that to me wrote "sentence". Now that you've pointed out that it should be "sentences", it feels ironic that he can't write English properly either.

But I mean come on... a lot of English natives can't even write "definitely" properly.

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>tfw reps exceed 200

>>139641427
Grammar and spelling are pretty different things.

>>139641427
unskilled native speakers are never an excuse to slack on your own studies, Abimbola

>The hortative is a group of semantically similar deontic modalities in some languages. Hortative modalities encourage or urge. In English, there are seven hortative modalities: the adhortative, exhortative, suprahortative, cohortative, dehortative, inhortative, and infrahortative. They differ by intensity, attitude (for or against), and—in the case of the cohortative—person.

Daily reminder that you can't even learn English

>>139640562
for the 10th time/10 times

for "grates on my nerves" people usually say "gets on my nerves" but grates is ok

they aren't bullying you, just correcting you

its a doggy dog world out there swalibro

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>>139641451
>tfw reps recently passed 800 per day

>>139641486
let's learn English!

>>139641427
America has had one of, if not the, highest literacy rates in the world for over 200 years. Second place was Japan over the same time period- in the 1800s, Japan was more literate than all of Europe, and the US had a literacy rate (among whites) of over 80%, while Europe hovered at or under 50%.

Hell, Blacks in America went from literacy being illegal, to being more literate than Europe, in one generation.

Europeans just can't into language for some reason.

>>139640286
just to fuck you over, there's like 10+ fucking vocab for down and its confusing as fuck.

>>139641590
>Europeans just can't into language for some reason.
More like can't into organizing a decent educational system and getting their children in it. That's pretty much all that matters when it comes to the literacy rate of any country.

>>139640764
>swahili

you speak in tongue clicks?

>>139641409
I don't know grammar, I just know it's ある there

>>139641209
>>139641237
NYR = New year resolution-er
ESL= English as a second language

>>139631821
>review forgotten cards from [300] days ago

>>139641705
You must've watch too much Russell Peters.

>>139641713
Right, but as far as I know it could also be あります?

>>139641590
Thanks public libraries and schoolhouse reading programs!

>>139641536
>tfw need 90 minutes for 130 reps and 20 new cards
How do you do it

>>139641808
>>139641713
Just to correct myself, I was wrong -- has to be ある as ます only comes at the end of sentences...

>>139641590
Is this why America and Japan are the only countries that produce compelling content?

>>139641870
When you know the kanji, you can read words as fast as you do english words. ね? If you did an english vocab deck you'd likely move wayyyy fasted.

>>139641921
What kind of closed-minded racist Americentric weeaboo are you?

>>139641870
Today's took 118 minutes, 863 cards studied. About 33% of those are mature, and those only take a split second. Unless I managed to forget them somehow.

I do have production cards though, since I like writing, and it helps me a lot with retention.

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>>139641961
Well let's hear it.
I imagine your fortresses are manwha, Spanish soap operas, and German porn videos?

>>139641961
France, Germany, and the rest of Europe produce maybe 1 (one) compelling content per year, across vidya, film, TV, etc combined.

Streetshitting Asian and African countries don't even manage that.

Australians I assume are too preoccupied with not dying to be creative.

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>>139641451
>tfw it takes you 2 hrs to complete

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>>139642444
Are you sure it's actually 2 hours? Anki keeps recording time when you tab out, you know.

>>139642637
yes, most of that time is from me losing all focus and blankly staring into my screen. im ok for the first 10-ish minutes but it all goes to shit from there.

>>139642777
Been forgetting to take your adderall again?

>>139642777
Use timeboxing, anon.
You do a highly focused review for X minutes, when your focus starts to fade you take a few minutes break and do something that you enjoy. Then you do another session of focused review. No one can focus for an hour straight.

>>139642864

Plenty of people can focus for an hour straight, that's why when you really get into something it sometimes feels like hours have passed in an instant. It just varies a lot between people and how interested you are in the thing you're focusing on.

>>139642827
i probably should start taking some of this shit, daydreaming has always been a problem for me.

>>139642864
I can focus for two hours straight. I usually do my reps from 6-8 am.
I just want to get my reps out of the way as quick as possible.

>23% mature
Wow, it don't feel it be like it is but it do.
Motivation still at 100% !

>>139640821
FUCK YOU

>>139642777
http://www.pcgeek.info/fokasu/

Apparantly this 52mins work - 17mins break is scientifically proven or some shit

>>139643084
I find that doing them first thing in the day after jerking off helps. It just feels good to know that you don't have anything pressuring you now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlU-zDU6aQ0

too long didn't watch version (I didn't watch it so I don't know how good it is at summarizing the lecture) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Xqu0jXlfs

>>139642031
Don't read manwha, watch spanish soap operas, and obviously only two dimensions are attractive and Germans have three.

Um, and like every country produces a few decent TV shows, except America which is worthless.

>>139643298
i can barely keep complete focus for 10 minutes, i'll have to do like 10:5 or something even smaller.

>>139643736
You work your way up slowly.
If you have to do 10:5, then do it. 10 minutes of good focus is far better than 15 minutes of half-assing. If you keep at it, you will be able to focus for longer times.

>>139643681
>a few decent TV shows
Not a very compelling defense there bud.

なぜお前らは英語で書き込むのか

おはようおにいちゃん
ごはんとなっとうはできてるよ

>>139644208
sugoi desu ne! totemo nihongo dekiru desu da yo!!!

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>decide to watch some jp free 2 air while farming
>some dude has a magical taxi
>the ads are killing me inside

why didnt i do this earlier

Are there any good japanese learning podcasts i can listen to?

>>139645053
japanesepod101 is kinda cringeworthy but its well made

keep in mind these are really no better than background noise because they don't teach you grammar rules and they don't cause you to memorize vocab. Its like a college course, it just teaches you phrases and such

>>139645129
I like that art. Where is it from?

>>139645246
https://vndb.org/v14122

So should I start a kanji deck the same time I start the vocab deck?

And for Kanji, I'm looking to just learn the meaning whereas vocab I should know the meaning and the pronunciation right?

Is there pros/cons of RTK vs Kanji damage?

>>139645513
RTK teaches only the meaning/writing while KD also teaches one of the readings. As for what you should do, do whatever appeals to you. Everyone has a different opinion and it would be dumb to listen to whatever random person was bored enough to reply to you.

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かわいい　(´・ω・｀)

>>139645804
new guy here. what would be the point of only learning the meaning without the reading? wouldnt it only make it harder later on since youd have to learn the readings eventually?

>>139646088
If she's an English teacher in Japan shouldn't she be drawn as a fat loser with an anime shirt or something?
For realism I mean

>>139645513
RTK teaches you how to remember the forms. The books dont teach you how to read them or how they join together to make compounds. The upside of the books is that it is one of the quickest ways to amass writing knowledge. You will learn how to distinguish similar looking characters, and never forget the stroke order. The book teaches characters not be frequency but how characters with the same building blocks. I don't know about kanji damage.

>>139646088
How shit is that book?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZqUtVxDFvw

>nasebataiteinantokanaru memefag finally stops posting his pasta at the start of every thread
>gets replaced by new memefags with their own shitty pastas immediately

Fucking die.

>>139646117
Learning how to write the kanji correctly everytime and distinguishing similar kanji.
The heisig names are rough, so you remeber the kanji, they arent supposed to be exact.
You learn the writing and thats it

>>139646318
Just leave here forever, you can learn Japanese by yourself.

>>139646117
If you're doing your vocab deck, theres no point. The point of learning kanji is make retention better. When you get upwards of 4000 words those squiggly lines start to blur together

Is there a completely romanji version of Genki?
Kana wouldn't be so bad, but it starts to use kanji a few lessons in. I'd rather learn grammar first so I can at least enjoy unsubbed anime, then I will learn kanjis later.

>>139646498
get out

I've decided to learn Japanese and Otome function will be the first game I ever read in Japanese.

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>>139646498

>>139646498
Nice.

>>139646498
The textbook Japanese: The Spoken Language is used by college professors.

>>139646498
That plan is bad and dumb.

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I somehow didn't think the Japanese were using mnemonics, but I guess it makes sense

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What.

>>139646951
?

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>>139646498
is there a completely capital letter free version of genki?
capitals wouldn't be so bad, but it starts to use punctuation a few lessons in. i'd rather learn grammar first so I can at least enjoy <media here that requires totally different skills than reading>, then i will learn punctuation later.

This is how retarded your method sounds.

>>139646498
That was pretty good bait anon. Wasn't even your first post in the thread and that many people fell for it.

Is there a way to change the amount of days the mature interval is set at in Anki?

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>>139640286
Why not?

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>>139644338
> desu da
I just remembered how I accidentally spoke 「ますです」 when I was really just starting. I know it's a common mistake, but fuck, that was embarrassing.

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>skillful; skilful; clever; expert; wise; successful
>delicious; appetizing; appetising; tasty
>fortunate; splendid; promising

WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHETHER IT MEANS SKILLFUL, DELICIOUS, OR FORTUNATE?

spoiler: it actually just means "good"

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>open VN
>see this
>close VN

>>139647698
This is why vertical text is superior

>>139647698
It's not even that hard. Short sentences with fairly common vocab.

>>139647481
>it's a common mistake
Where did you get that impression from?

>>139640286
"ue"

"nobaru"

"ageru"

are the ones I've had in core anki so far I think. Took me quite a while to get it but I think I bruteforced them into my brain. The most confusing thing about the vocab so far is how certain kanji change their entire sound depending on what other symbols it's combined with. I hope it clicks in my brain sometime soon..

語彙暗記完了

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>>139647736

>>139639828
I know that most Yanks never bother to learn a second language, which is exactly what makes Japanese so hard for you and not its actual grammatical structure, but for people for whom Japanese is a third or fourth or fifth language it's a walk in the garden, with the only difficulty being kanji, which you can't simply pick up on the go and must spend your time actually studying, and then still you can learn conversational Japanese in a month or so of practice if you did that with other languages before.

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>>139647481

>>139647698
What did you expect to see? It's just a lot of text put into a single paragraph. I bet you've never read a book in your life outside of literature class.

>>139645513
I'm currently @ 1300 Kanji.
I combined the best KD deck with some RTK decks, couldn't be happier.
Regarding my methods though, I don't do RTK1 since i see no point in memorizing 'just' their meanings when I can incorporate the onyomi in my mnemonics.

>>139648039
How did you do that? And which decks did you combine exactly?

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>>139648026
How do you live while being so uptight?

>>139648221
I have no idea what triggered you. Perhaps you should sit off your attempts at learning Japanese for some time?

>>139647759
Practice makes perfect.
Ganbatte baka gaijin.

>>139648348
Triggered ME?

>>139642091
Guess Burgerland contributes a negative amount of "compelling content" by your standards.

It's kind of sad how deluded you have to be to believe something like that.

>>139648026
Western books aren't formatted like shit, though.

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>they fell for the RTK meme

>>139648625
>he fell for the "they fell for ___" meme

>>139648625
>they fell for the learning Japanese meme
In the time you read one VN at a slow pace while looking up words, you could be finishing 5 books

>>139648666
>someone fell for the "he fell for the 'they fell for ___' meme" meme

>>139648207
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1917095458
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2077872612

The KD deck is my main template. I added other fields which would serve as 'mapping fields' for the other two decks. I only map relevant fields, e.g. alternative mnemonics, decomposition, etc.

How:
1 Export the other 2 decks as plain decks
2 Remove the irrelevant fields using excel
3 Import the text file into Anki, then map the fields (ensure you have the 'match first fields thing' checked.

that's a summary of the procedure, if you're interested the guys at koohii might want to help you cause I'm off to sleep.

>>139648703
>plain decks
*plain texts

btw, make sure you're using UTF-8

>>139648685
>implying I don't read in 3 different languages daily
At least with vocab I can actually read Japanese instead of reading series of epic memeonics.

>>139646920
What the hell is this mongoloid language in this image?

>>139648703
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>139648809
A dying language called Burgerish.

>>139648766
Thanks for displaying that you're literally so dumb that you don't understand a concept as simple as using mnemonics as memory aids and also making exaggerations like no one who does RTK does vocab and reading alongside/after it.

>少量
>小量
Why Japanese people?

>>139648894
Nice one, upvo-- oh wait, this isn't Leddit! Haha, people stopped trolling me on WaniKani and RTK so I forgot!

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>>139648912

>>139648912
> go
> went
What the fuck?

>>139648971
>he doesn't have an intelligible response so he resorts to memes and shitposting
Thanks for further proving my point. Done responding.

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>>139649049
Sure dude! Keep learning that "Japanese"!

>>139648894
It's really annoying that some people actually think that people who do RTK can't read.
Smh, anyways, for the guys who don't do any form of RTK, good luck with trying to remember/differentiate 20k+ vocab.. lel. Even at 4k you should have trouble, how about at 20k lel.

I don't really want to intrude on you guys since I don't know shit but I need someone who knows their shit.

I'd need someone to translate "wave of death" for me. I am pretty sure that Google translate isn't really great in this case.

>>139649266
This is not a translation thread.

>>139649266
滴るの海万個

>>139649266
崩御の波

What is a
"Giri no shiro otoko"
?
Some weeb guy said something like that earlier today. Sounds like a food.

>>139649266
>I don't know shit
Glad that you're not completely retarded. Maybe you can even change, but now fuck off.

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>>139649166
Smh lel ecks dee

>>139649398
Rice patty of the white man ?

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>>139649166
>>139648971
>>139648625

You won't believe how much my retention have gone up ever since I started having BitLaser pointed in my forehead while studying.

Before, I use to hover at around 45~68% correct in my Anki but after using BitLaser, It gone up to 75~84%.

edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!

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>>139649166
> vocab meme
You do realise that kanji make that """"""problem"""""" irrelevant, right? 1.5k most common kanji comprise about four fifths of most any text, and once you know a kanji, learning its combinations is beyond trivial. Joyo gives you far more than 20k words. The only people who complain about vocab are those who can't be bothered to actually learn measly 2k kanji.

>>139649595
So it is some kind of white rice thing? Sounds bland. If I see him again, I'll tell him to add meats and spices to his rice.

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>>139649599

>>139649667
>reading mnemonics instead of words
wew

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>>139649398
It means that you don't know Japanese (given the context) customs. Don't take that from a fucking weeb, fuck the bitch up the next time you see him.

>>139649667
>measly
Derailed from the original pictorial nature to where it no longer looks like trees for a forest.

>>139649747
I'm not sure what you're trying to bait me with, but here's a (You) just in case.
>>139649796
What?